It's over

Hot take: I think sony makes games with little interactivity

The master race is inevitable at this point.

>>717516819 (OP)
How did we go from this....

>>717516819 (OP)
Is that why they are hiring people to port games for Switch, Xbox and PC?

Maybe devs should stop setting up budgets of more than like 20m tops for games.
If you spend that much the only option is a bunch of gaas bullshit.

>>717516819 (OP)
That's the most
>the kind of tired that sleep can't fix
face I've ever seen

>>717516819 (OP)
To be honest that's where the money just is. It's a good business decision, hardware doesn't pay but an experience does. People WILL pay to be a part of a good community.

>>717516819 (OP)
good fucking riddance

should have happened three generations ago to be honest

>>717516819 (OP)
>hardware is a loss leader to make people buy your games
>wait a minute
>why don't we ditch the unprofitable hardware and just focus on the profitable games?

how did it take them literally twenty-one (21) years to figure this out?

oh shit what

>>717516819 (OP)
Nate The Hate, who previously leaked Xbox games going to Playstation before it officially happened, also recently said there are more Sony games going to Xbox than Helldivers (is not talking about MLB or Marathon)

as if them porting all of their games to PC wasn't a sign of this already? they literally said "console players are not buying enough games, we need a bigger audience" years ago. this is the natural evolution of that, maybe they'll stop with the stupid fucking 1 year exclusivity shit now

And just like that, Snoy steals KWABOTY. Congrats!

>>717516819 (OP)
>we tried almost nothing(only cinematic experiences and shitty shooters) and we run out of ideas

The writing has been on the wall for years, consoles are a dying concept, people already do everything else digital on their PC's and phones, the idea of having a "game box" is basically redundant. I grew up with consoles and liked them when they were actual unique machines, now they're just shitty PC's with less options.

>>717516819 (OP)
This is actually horrific news because it most likely means the goal is to push towards cloud gaming where hardware no longer matters.

2 down 1 to go

>>717517009
There's still a place for the big expensive AAA games but I hate how companies only want games that do CoD numbers

AA games can be profitable if you keep budgets in check. fucking pissed me off when EA killed off Dead Space because DS3 didn't sell at least 5 million copies when DS1 and DS2 each sold 2 million copies at release and were profitable be they knew it was a niche game and had an appropriate budget for such

Yeah Im thinking Day 1 releases, bros
Dont care about Snoy games but looking forward to the shitposting once the first game releases day and date on PC

>>717517147
You should assume every single live service game Sony releases will go multiplatform just so it can reach as large of an audience as possible. Fairgame$ will be on it for sure, assuming that ever releases. When you consider that most Sony studios were working on live service games under Jim Ryan, that's going to be a lot of multiplats.

>>717517147
the other sony games besides obvious first party are unreal engine slop titles so nothingburger

One problem with this strategy is that they end up entering the PC world, and in this world you won't be able to get people to pay monthly fees to become VIPs and, as a "reward", get amazing things like playing online games with their own Internet, or accessing "free" digital games (which they can freely pirate on their PCs).
If Sony abandons its hardware, it will gradually begin to lose the reins it uses to hold its consumers captive.

>>717516819 (OP)
will this mean more games?

>>717517197
No shit. They want us owning nothing, meaning cloud based gaming and gaming as a service

PC-chads how does it feel knowing that you ultimately won by having all of your rivals turn really gay and just kill themselves all entirely of their own volition? Does it feel good?

Xbox won

>>717517305
sony and microsoft just want to sell accessories now more than actual console units.

for example they want pc players to buy dualsense and the 3d audio headphones by sony

>>717516819 (OP)
>Moving full on 3rd party
Ohnononononononononononononono AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There was a thread saying its embarrassing for Xbawks to only have sold 30mil
What does it say about Snoy that they sold 80mil consoles yet still want to port all their shit lol

>>717517348
we won by doing literally nothing

>>717516819 (OP)
Now that affordable PCs exist, what's the point of exclusives?

>>717517242
I disagree, I think AAA is at a point where it's not feasible. We've crossed well past that $100m threshold for dev budget, there' no way to recover that without going multiplat and/or a bunch of gaas bullshit. Those are fine if you know what you're getting into, but more often than not these games are just lazily developed, and the idea of utilizing the hardware they're on is dead as fuck. The concept of unique hardware is dead too, don't get me wrong it was never great, but you can really tell when a company picks a console for it's lead platform. Returnal is just a different experience with a DS5 vs m&kb.

>>717516819 (OP)
they always copy xbox. but in this case what do they even have to fall back on that will substantially increase their platform business? MS literally bought 2 entire publishers for 80bn to have a massive platform presence. one sony first party game every 10 years isn't going to do shit for playstation as a future platform first business, even after they put all their games on xbox and nintendo.

>>717516819 (OP)
They had no games, now they won't even have hardware. Man, they really went down the shitter after they moved to California.

>>717517409
it makes business sense

the 80 million PlayStation owners will always buy PlayStation games. the untapped market are non PlayStation owners so it make sense to expand to reach that market

>>717516819 (OP)
hahahaha Nintendo really had the last laugh.
Turns out producing your own software is king.
Keeping SEGA around as a hardware manufacturer would have been better than these mega corp middlemen frauds.

>>717516961
>they're still making sequels of all those games
LOL

>>717517348
Feels good.
PC was the starting point and will be the endpoint for gaming, as it should be.

>>717516819 (OP)
You WILL stream the games, chuddo. Don't try and fight it.

>>717516819 (OP)
the evolution of capitalism is to destroy and ruin absolutely everything for profits because nothing is ever just enough. Lose all identity and become the biggest sloppiest of slops that is possible in this dimension we currently reside in till everything is over and then we start all over again. That is capitalism in its purest form. Is to destroy everything.

>>717517328
Imagine if the end result of Stop Killing Games is that games are just no longer sold individually and they're just part of subscription services instead so companies can remove them whenever. What a fucking monkey's paw that would be. It'd kill modding, private servers, and piracy.

>>717516819 (OP)
lol

>>717517589
they want the line to up even if they burn everything to the ground

>>717517518
it's insane how retards on the internet predicted nintendo would go third party ever since the gamecube era and here we are, they're the only ones left standing while everyone else is 3rd party

>>717517503
>MS literally bought 2 entire publishers for 80bn to have a massive platform presence

and they moved all those games to gamepass and continue to port them to PlayStation

>>717516819 (OP)
>win console race
>lose anyway

>>717517595
Piratesoftware won

>>717517391
while displayed on my sony tv while talking on my sony xperia

>>717517409
Sony can always position the Playstation as a cheap prebuilt. Xbox is dead so anyone who wants to play modern games either gets a PC or a Playstation.

>>717517629
sonysisters... don't look...

>>717517348
We already won the moment consoles gave up and became locked down PCs.

>>717517650
>2005
>we must make our games exclusive to only our platform to make money
>2025
>we must port our games to every platform possible to make money

what changed?

>>717516819 (OP)
NOOOOOOOOO
HAYAKAWA SAN, NOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>717517650
tick tock
tick tock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyUeD5gT2cg

>>717517789
The cost of making video games.

>>717517789
people want infinite growth, but also games are infinitely more expensive to make and they trained their audience for massive expensive AAA shit so you know.

>>717516819 (OP)
>you lived to see that the Total Sony death turning real
WE FUCKING WON!

>>717517027

Would be right at home as a grumpy old clan boss in a Yakuza game, but only in a scene where everyone's sitting in a meeting and he's just there in the background.

>>717516819 (OP)
Fuck my life.
>>717516942
I'd rather swallow cyanide.

Nintendo won the console war.

>>717517669
That's what I said, and now they're the biggest games publisher on planet earth. They wanted a platform first approach and invested heavily into it while also providing their own players with the most affordable way to consume those games via gamepass. Sony are going fully 3rd party, what benefits will playstation games get out of it? Day 1 on PS+? What games do they even have to expand their brand in the same way MS have CoD and shit? Sony are trying to copy xbox but don't have the basis for doing it successfully. They make one game every 5-10 years nowadays.

>>717517589
>crashing out with dissonance this hard because you got conditioned in childhood to worship brands and consoles
grim

>>717517819
two more weeks sister, hand in there we'll finally see the evil be defeated!!!

>>717516819 (OP)
>move away from hardware
>have no software
So they’re just going out of business?

>>717517819
i think Nintendo will still stay exclusive on their consoles until they have a wii-u tier fuck up and panic by porting their games to mobile and finally realize how profitable it is with minimal additional expense to port it

>>717517789
AAA budgets being absurd combined with people who genuinely are clueless when it comes to video games.
Nintendo is far from good, but they are the best platform holder.
They do understand that they need make something for say RPG fans despite it never reaching GTA tier sales.
This is unattainable ancient sumerian lost knowledge for the likes of SONY and Microsoft

I find it so fucking funny that the reason consoles are dying is sincerely and exclusively that these blank-check companies have been completely unable to release ANY games worth playing

>>717518070
Pretty much, yeah.

>>717516819 (OP)
And people are still acting like that Orange retard isn't doing damage to the economy with his dumbass random tariffs?

>>717517973
Microsoft have the platform, they have Windows. Sony have nothing. Sony will die.

what in the loving fuck is even the fucking "engagement" that these people keep fucking talking about? games are fucking simple some nerdy guys get together and try to make something fun to play together. thats fucking it. that was how gta, doom, fear, cs, dota were born. they werent born from guys wanting to buy loot boxes and streaming bimbos and screaming kids and whatever the fuck the gaming scene has become

>>717517253
The platform loyalty is becoming increasingly fragile.

>From is now on Switch
>MH is now (again) everywhere except Switch
>Bandai games are all over the place.
>Forza is on Playstation
>Metaphor was promoted through Microsoft
>Silksong and Deltarune promoted through Nintendo
>next Gamefreak project is a multiplat (likely not on Switch)
>Neptunia cycles between Sony and Nintendo
>Vanillaware cycles between Nintendo and Sony
>MS sometimes randomly gets some console exclusives
>because of their lawsuit MS now has to port some games like CoD to Switch
>we entered the era where all those phone gacha games are ported to PC

Snoys crashing out on twitter kek

>>717517819
Already backpedaled

man at least sega had the decency to release some bangers before stepping from the console business.

>>717516819 (OP)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>717517253
Already happened with Helldivers 2

>>717516819 (OP)
I really wished SEGA kept making consoles instead of Sony and Xbox.

>>717517390

No, they’re spiraling downwards too. Nintendo is the obvious winner.

>>717518078
>and finally realize how profitable it is
they've already released games on mobile and they didn't really make a lot of money with them

Sonybros... look at this... we're fucked... I'm buying a Switch 2.
https://files.catbox.moe/0gyave.mp4

>>717518338
Day 1 release will become the norm.

>>717518292
Keeping SEGA around would have been better long term because they were always a video game company first. They were there day one when it started in the arcades. They had a fuck tons of development studios making software.
Same cannot be said for mega corp frauds such as SONY who wer only middlemen who had a lot of capital, could sell their consoles at a loss.

>>717516961
...to this

I know it's a radical proposition, but has anyone at Sony considered making good games that people like to play instead of that nebulous garbage about community and shit?

>WE SOLD EIGHTY MILLION PLAYSTATION 5'S
>oh and were downsizing bungie
>oh and were leaving the hardware business

>>717517789
Been said before, but it seems like the only ones left that can actually budget a game appropriately are Nintendo. How much could that Peach game cost to make? Probably made a profit after 100k copies sold. Meanwhile other companies sell 10 million and it kills a franchise because it's just not enough.

>>717516819 (OP)
so sony went third party. nintendo won

HELLO FELLOW CHUDS

>>717516819 (OP)
>engagemant
This word needs to be banned from videogame industry vocabulary.

>>717518494
sega was destined to disappear because their bread and butter was arcade games and those saw their popularity completely collapse during the period that saw the rise of sony as the new major actor in the industry

it'd have been good to still have nintendo and sega and nothing else but realistically it was never going to happen

>>717516819 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NINTENDO WON! (AGAIN)

>>717518136
Faced with the decision of making smaller, cheaper games (that don't make stock price go up as much) and not making games at all because they're too expensive, they would rather make no games at all.

>next xbox is basically confirmed to be a line-up of pre-built PCs
>all playstation games will be on xbox after they just admitted they're going full 3rd party
>all nintendo games can be emulated on pc
>apparently the next xbox uses custom hardware which allows for access to the existing xbox back compat library

i'll take my hat off. it's sounding like the ultimate gaming machine

>>717518651
So does the entirety of /v/ but here we are.

>>717518512
Not as long as soiniggers keep buying shit like Horizon. That's sold 38 million. That's around 5x what Bloodborne has, a game everyone's clamoring for and that's fucking depressing.

>>717517064
They're not ditching hardware. You and many people in here can't understand a simple statement.

>>717516819 (OP)
Wont this unironically make Xbox better console next gen lol? Sony now has their exclusives and thats it Xbox after going third party at least has goypass to bring in people but Sony will have uhh....yeah what the fuck will Playstation have over Xbox then?

>>717517390
>Literally just stapled their console OS into a ROG handheld
Not a huge victory desu

>>717518708
why not just build your own pc at that point
nobody wants to pay 2k for a prebuilt

>>717516819 (OP)
So they would try to make more Game as Service shit though?

>>717518571
nintendo absolutely were right to drop out of the power race with the wii, iwata saw exactly what would happen to sony and took the right decision despite how unpopular it was among the internet faggot crowd

I doubt anyone will admit it publically though, despite the half assed efforts to imitate their design philosophy with astrobot last year

>losing to the gamecube and wii u
holy

>>717518861
Depending on the GPU inside it, 2K for a prebuilt might be a steal. You can always add more storage and upgrade the RAM if you have to, later.

sony will do anything except games
You would think that this would force them to do games but no

>>717518250
Nintendo need Switch 2 carts with less than 64GB capacity more than they need larger carts. Small indie games and the like are part of what made the Switch the success it was.

>>717518861
if it supports a disk drive and the back compat emulator the current consoles have. i'll get one when the hackers crack it so it can play any og or xbox 360 disk game.

There's no point to buy a console every generation anymore. They're all backwards compatible, it takes an entire generation for a studio to make single game, and most games are cross gen for half of the generation anyway. You may as well just buy one every other generation.

>>717518708
>>all nintendo games can be emulated on pc
Still can't emulate Switch 2 thoughever.

>>717518924
Yamauchi was warning about how stupid a graphics arms race was ages ago. He was just dismissed at the time because he was also seething about third parties, as usual.

>>717516819 (OP)
What an absolute idiot. He's going to tank the brand. Porting games to PC was already retarded but this is a whole other level. He understands that the reason people stay in his gated "community" is because they're sort of the only choice, right? What purpose would someone have to log into the Playstation Store or ecosystem on other platforms and why would Nintendo or Microsoft allow PSN on their system when Sony and Nintendo themselves are vehemently opposing that for Game Pass? Why would anyone care about your trophy system or paying for PS+ on Switch 2? Why would Nintendo, Microsoft, or even Valve allow you to download stuff on their platforms through your storefront? Why would anyone promote your games as much if they're not exclusive to your brand but instead everywhere? You are literally opening yourself up to having to compete with everyone on every storefront instead of being an exclusive event that attracts people on your own.

I genuinely can't believe Microsoft and Sony both are running head first into the Sega business model while Nintendo is the only one with any common sense. Exclusives exist for a reason. Exclusives are objectively good for the consumer as it fosters niches and groups to your platform that allows genres and brand new series to flourish because of the community you created and each platform has their own set of niches that work there. Sony is known for RPGs and Japanese games precisely because of how so many companies rallied behind them and made them for their platform. Souls as an entire genre only exists because From knew that Demon's Souls could work with the niches of hard RPGs and Japanese games being popular on the Playstation platform. Exclusives also give you free marketing by way of the fact they're exclusive. Just go take a look at Lego Horizon for an example of what happens when you don't have the exclusivity of the brand anymore working to build up hype for you.

>>717518763
If they're porting their games to every platform day 1, why buy a shitstation?

>>717516819 (OP)
I guess Steam and Nintendo are the future. And platform companies are the future(so Sega, Bamco, Capcom) are gonna become billion dollar enterprises.

>>717518994
Yeah, what do you think that post is about?

>>717519049
we all know it'll happen. it might be nvidia only emulation though because of the dlss stuff it uses on the console.

oh look it's this shit again. literally been posting these threads for 20 years now. don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

PlayCtation

>>717518924
What is the Switch2 other than a more powerful S1. They basically re-entered the arms race but with the competition killing itself.
Nintendos only selling point are first party games and that doesn't look too impressive yet.

>>717518216
Exclusivity has and always will be to the active detriment of the player. Anyone who unironically parrots some stupid shit like "where are the games" to say that any platform should unironically have MORE exclusives is a shill and wants to be fucked in the ass by their corpo overlords.

Console sisters... Give it to me straight.... Did PCs win?

>>717516819 (OP)
Sony going multiplatform almost as fast as Xbox did

Everyone copying based Phil

>>717519249
extremely retarded post

>>717517189
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The reason consoles are still a thing is because of convenience. PC isn't convenient to setup gaming, and the reason is this. You only need to do one step when you have a console, while PC there are multiple steps (buying a PC, choosing an operating system, choosing a graphics card, choosing a video game market place). That will always, and I mean always turn the majority of people off, with the majority of that being parents buying for their kids who couldn't give a shit about gaming.

Consoles will never die while there's a massive appetite for convenience. It is why mobile gaming is massive because there's nothing to it when setting up, unlike PC.

>>717518250
If true, too bad about the key card games sent out to die. Would be surprised if they got rereleases.

>>717517348
From being seen as the sick man of gaming (all PC gamers are pirates narrative) back in 7th gen to this, hell of a turnaround.

>>717516819 (OP)
Nintendo won BIGLY

>>717519258
>it's okay when Sony does it™

>>717519149
people who would buy a PlayStation aren't going to suddenly decide to drop $2k+ to buy gaming PCs

>>717516819 (OP)
YOU JUST HAD TO MAKE FUCKING VIDEO GAMES

>>717516961
TO THIS

>>717519132
The truth is while Sony was doing a lot better than Xbox always their profit margin was always comically low and they were always late to every party. Sony is doing this to survive and trying to appeal to China/India/Russia etc.

>>717517673
>>win console race
things that never happened.

>>717519453
When did I say anything even close to that? NOBODY should do it you fucking moron. If you think otherwise YOU are the shill. Though since you for no reason at all singled out Sony I'm going to assume you're a tendie and just projecting your dumb console war tranny mental illness.

>>717518994
Can't those just be made as Switch games that then have Switch 2 enhancements if needed? There's not much reason for those games to increase their requirements or abandon the Switch install base.

>>717516819 (OP)
>community and engagement based platform
Are they making another fucking twitter or something?

>>717517517
>it makes business sense
It really doesn't.
What Nintendo are doing has a lot more potential. And it's what Playstation would be doing too, if they hadn't fumbled their chances and ability to actually do it.
What they're doing now is more damage control than anything. But it's still a path downhill.

>>717516819 (OP)
took them 3 generations to realize that after the PS2 they no longer had games. 20 fucking years ffs.

Sony's gonna pull a Playstation x Ally aren't they?

>>717519501
dude rift apart and that second spidy were awesome why didn't they just continue to make more shit like that

>>717516819 (OP)
PC was always going to win in the end.

Consoles are slop. Nintendo will be the last one standing but eventually they, too, will fall in line.

sonygroes are seething lmao. dreamcast guy having a melty

>Double down on GaaS shit
>Don't make AA games
>Keep hiring celebrities to voice act, mocap and face scan in their AAA "games"
>Hire people who inflates budget because they're undecisive and are total fuckwits (see Spider-man 2)
>Keep their old IPs in limbo
>Don't invest in smaller studios in other countries
>Set retarded sales expectations
>Censor everything
>Still in Commiefornia

>>717518512
Their development ecosystem since the late PS3 era was geared toward hugely expensive AAA development. It's too late to change course.

>>717517409
All it means is that their shareholders are delusional. We've already reached the plateau of the video game consumer base Sony can tap into.

>>717516819 (OP)
>community and engagement based business model
ok, but what does that mean?

>>717516819 (OP)
Let me tell you right now that I won't buy a game on steam if it demands a playstation network account to play.

>>717519710
cause nether of those sold enough
poor spider-man 2 had to do insane numbers cause disney contract took 30% from them, and 50% of bundles

>>717518195
>what in the loving fuck is even the fucking "engagement" that these people keep fucking talking about?
This shit.
And what is this shit? It's whatever arbitrary social media metrics they decide is important. Like how many twitter posts mentioned playstation or whatever.

>>717517305
They're just going to gouge their console owners of every penny they can and hope that the one year delays between console to pc would be enough for console owners to be "WOW, AN EXCLUSIVE TO PLAYSTATION THAT WILL NEVER BE ON XBOX, SWITCH, OR PC!"

>>717519503
>Sony is doing this to survive and trying to appeal to China/India/Russia etc.
Most retarded post in this thread.

>>717519258
until multiplat becomes an active detriment to the player because you have to fulfill 4 platforms guidelines, have to develop for the weakest platform and need to have approval for patches from all four services.
Not to mention technical challenges, having different input devices, having to support two modes for Switch or two consoles for Xbox etc.

Multiplat is an absolute pain for smaller studios. I know one studio that basically killed one of their games by trying to remake the game so they can add phones as another platform.

>>717519501

>>717519839
more subscriptions service. and more microtransactions

>>717519937
That's not "exclusivity" dumbass. Not releasing a game on certain platforms due to restrictions isn't the same thing as a company paying so a game won't release on any platform but their own so you need to either buy that specific one or get fucked.

>>717519909
That's from their own business stuff, anon.

>>717516819 (OP)
It only took a few decades for the retardation to cease

>>717519839
Instead of units sold they want "players" who "engaged" with the product. Thats why Ubisoft always shits out stats like "100 million hours played and 5billion enemies slayed" to show off investors that theres "engagement". They also count negative social media stuff as "engagement" too since thats still people engaging with the product like recent example some amerimutts seething about that jeans commercial and some defending it - thats both engagement.

>>717519556
>WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP SONY IN A SONY THREAD AAAAAAAAAA

Because they pissed their exclusives away you stupid mong

>>717519710
spider-man 2 was a downgrade

>>717516819 (OP)
Even Sega fell more gracefully than this

>>717519379
a PC platform with the convenience of a console would clean up. Valve, we are waiting

>>717517029
What community? Jeets and sports games?

>>717520084
Why would they appeal to russia lmao average southeast asian shithole has a lot higher buying power or even eastern euro countries. I get China and India due to massive population.

>>717520186
Are you so stupid? The fuck does that have to do with what I said in my post? Nothing even slightly implied I was in favour of Sony's exclusivity. You just had a schizo episode all on your own cause you're a mentally ill freak who can't see anything outside of a lens of console war shit. Find a noose and hang yourself.

>>717520215
did everyone just forget the steam machine?

>>717519910
Eric Begone

>>717520215
>Dockable handhelds have already been a thing for 2 years

>>717519775
Just saw, kek. Why does he have that ridiculous username if hes such a big Snoy fanboy?

>>717520315
A not AN

>>717520315
>an Playstation

>>717520304

Get some help with those anger issues, man

>>717520259
Because those are PC countries. Sony doesn't wanna miss out on building up their "platform" or "image" on PC

my plans for getting a PS5 have just been put on hold

>>717519910
Eric Begone

>muh engagement for our cinematic trash games!!
I hate snoy so much, just die.

>>717516819 (OP)
This is literally SEGA scenario all over again

so now that Marathon and Fairgames is going to be on everything, are they still destined to flop?

>>717517315
You'll get 10 times more games from Sony now.

>>717520448
That still doesnt refute what i said. russia has no buying power at all despite their population. India isnt there either but I guess its futureproofing when they will finally have proper middle class but thats far away too. Chinks i understand.

>>717516819 (OP)
Destroying their brand for short term profits, at least Nintendo is still holding strong

>>717516819 (OP)
Wow Sega was so far ahead of their time by moving away from hardware like 25 years ago. Sega is always ahead of the curve, what will they think of next?

>>717520484
You should get it, it's their last console.

>>717519379
You have to remember that people here are enthusiasts who are completely dead to what the average person is like and think everyone is willing to jump through hoops like they are regardless of how involved it is. They genuinely think that because they perceive PC gaming as easy that normalfags do regardless of how fairly pain free it is for the most part.

People here genuinely believe someone is going to go to pcpartpicker and order random parts they know nothing about, manually assemble their PC via a Youtube guide or pay extra to have someone make it for them, and then become a PC gamer. I can't tell you how many people I've seen seriously suggest a normal person would hook up a PC to their living room TV, have a wireless mouse and keyboard and a lap table at the ready to go through menus, or they'll use Big Picture Mode/Steam OS and treat it like a console.

It's baffling how out of touch people here can be with how people generally play video games. In reality a person would go to Best Buy, go to the computer section, buy a prebuilt 3050 i3 with 8GB of RAM for $800, and then boot up a game like Marvel Rivals and see it chugging for its life because the person doesn't understand computer parts. "Convenience" isn't part of their lexicon because the question of "Well why would you settle for less options?" is the #1 thing that always comes up when they ask why people play on consoles when that does not matter in the slightest to anyone but the biggest enthusiasts. 30 FPS literally does not matter to 95% of people, it just doesn't, but talk to people here and if you're not 60 FPS minimum the game doesn't exist.

>>717520530
Forget new games, Sonys job listings made it clear they want to port old games aswell. I guess Sony CEOs saw Microsofts revenue increase and their games dominating the PS Store and said "Yeah, we want some of that"

>>717520397
it is becoming an lost art at this rate

>>717518924
nintendo are heading in the exact same direction

>>717519731
Not before your precious gabe newell dies and someone else takes over steam.

>>717520595
Refute what? Not my problem you don't understand Sony's going multiplatform

>>717516819 (OP)
Does this mean PS6 is toast? If so thank god I dont want to spend another $700

>>717517348
PC won the moment consoles settle for being Alienware with a custom OS. Long gone are the days of bespoke schizo hardware like the PS2.

The worst thing for them is that microsoft has been actually expanding into that market for a long time already and sony is basically still locked to their own ecosystem. MS wants to be the netflix of streaming, sony tries to be hulu or some shit.

remember when sony was just a publisher
state farm remembers

>>717517348
Lmao
>>717517391
I'll do it and also o Will get the snoy TV if PS finally bites the dust
>>717519379
That's a yuge wall of cope, u Vill decide between Nvidia or AMD

>>717520743
Gravity Rush soon
Soul Sacrifice soon

>>717518195
Live service crap. Get adhd kids to play 1 or 2 online games for as long as possible so they buy skins, battlepasses or whatever the fuck. The entire market now revolves around predatory bullshit. Older generation consoles and drm free pc games are the way now IMHO. It's unironically over

>>717519379
Most of those aren't really problems with PCs necessarily, but rather with the way Microsoft's OEMs build their systems and the fact that even if they had a mainstream user base in the past they're now mostly business systems, but with an interface that is increasingly ill suited to business, and that has never been well designed or optimized for gaming.

The future of PCs probably looks a lot like mobile which is dominated by cheap UNIX based systems running single chip solutions with mainstream targeted interfaces. From a technical standpoint there isn't that much different from a Strix Halo PC running a GNU/Linux based Gaming OS, and Sony's Playstation which in recent generations is just a AMD SOC platform running a custom BSD with a Gaming UI.

It's eehhhhh not as smooth as we'd hope mr.shareholder

>>717516819 (OP)
It's logical. Consoles no longer really have a place like they did when the product category launched, many years ago, and as such it's to be expected to see things shifting in this direction. Consoles still exist because of immense inertia in both business and culture and because the companies who had each grabbed on to their own little walled garden were reluctant to let go, but now I suppose we're finally reaching the point where they have to contend with the numbers.

>Concord killed Sony
The gift that keeps on giving.

>>717520764
You said they do so do appeal to markets without buying power lmao. Russia will never gain buying power of average western country and India is projected to be where China is now by 2045 thats really far away to pivot right now just because of those markets like you implied.

>>717520050
there isn't a single platform that doesn't have strict guidelines, except self publishing and hosting your shit on PC.
Your comparison falls short because Nintendo doesn't pay their own games for exclusivity, they are still exclusive. Pretty sure there are also third party games exclusive to one platform without any exclusivity deal, just japanese autism like Vanillaware avoiding pc like the plague.

If you are strictly speaking about exclusivity deals, then you can cheer up, because almost nobody makes permanent exclusivity deals anymore. You still won't get Kirby on PC.

>>717520760
Fastest selling hardware if all time, niggy

>>717519910
Eric Begone

>>717517348
So Denuvo saved gaming?

>>717517673
>win console race
citation needed

Does it infuriate anyone else knowing you could run the playstation department better than these retards who get paid millions

>>717520997
Or maybe they could've stopped being retarded and fund billion dollars worth of woke shit while Gaben serves child porn and rape games to PCchads on a silver platter.

>>717521007
Bungie delivering the final blow to Sony...Kino

*sips*

>>717520743
Uncharted Nathan Drake Collection, please…

>>717521059
I'm just saying nintendo budgets, dev times and hardware costs are ballooning.

>>717521156
Did you get your loicense to fuck companies up?

>>717521021
Anon you didn't even know it was from Sony. Biggest retard here is you and Sony.

>what sony thinks will happen with opening the market

game that would normally sell 10 million units lifetime will now sell 20m lifetime

>what will actually happen

No exclusivity bonus so the game gets treated as the average 3rd party slop and sell 5m lifetime in total

>>717516819 (OP)
So the console wars just fizzled out? Or Nintendo won? What happened?

5 years ago we'd see a sticky

>>717520215
You mean a Steam Deck? Something that already exists?
You mean a Rog Ally and a Rog Ally X?
You mean a Lenovo Legion Go?

Steam Machines already existed and no one wanted them because they were overpriced and not great. The current PC handhelds are primarily for enthusiasts, particularly ones who plan on doing things normal people would consider dangerously illegal like emulating games. PC also has a bunch of baggage the general public do not want to touch. If that person has to touch a desktop mode or touch inis at all instead of pressing "Download" and then "Play" then the product will never gain broad appeal.

I love the handheld PC market and I can't wait for a Steam Deck 2 since it'll likely be 1080p and a bit more powerful to work with, but I'm an enthusiast about this stuff. Jim Jones who just did a 60 hour work week and just wants to play games isn't going to buy a Steam Deck even if it was advertised in stores due to the simple fact it's still not at that level of streamlined yet. Your entire experience needs to be identical to a console 1:1. Everything has to feel snappy in the UI and you should never have to touch anything that's not in the already provided settings. Games crashing should be because the games are bad, not because Wine or Proton is bugging out. Games should not require you to manually download something like DPFix or DSFix to play them and still have issues.

To put it simply: If something like Deadly Premonition DC isn't playable without issues just from downloading it from Steam you're already worse than a console. If you are required to download Borderless Windows or something like that it will never work on the general consumer side.

>>717521290
>"Sony is doing this to survive and trying to appeal to China/India/Russia etc."
Actual shitskin babble. You are a jeet who suffers from profound mental retardation.

>>717516819 (OP)
What a disappointing end to the console wars, playstation and xbox just pussied out because muh line must go up

>>717521391
Kinda both, Sony looks to be going multiplat while Xbox and Nintendo are fighting over if you want a handheld PC with either game pass pre-installed behind a subscription or Gamecube emulation pre-installed behind a subscription

Kek where are all the Snoys at?

>>717521510
Not my problem you're upset and don't know anything.

>>717517718
Consoles always were locked down PCs

>>717516819 (OP)
This is the new "the Saturn is not our future" quote isn't it?

>>717519731
gabe newell will be dead by the time nintendo goes 3rd party and even if their games come to pc they will create their own store

>>717519379
>convenience
I could, right this moment, go to the electronics store in my bumfuck in the middle of nowhere hometown, tell a clerk there to build me a pc that can run crisis and set it up to the point that I just have to plug it in and press the power button.

>>717521156
What this anon said>>717521250

You have to have the degrees and resume showing that you have fucked up multiple companies but made lines go up before you can become a CEO. Also you have to have visited the pedo island resorts and chatted with the other pedo CEOs to be in the running as an option.

>>717520817
Retard

>>717516819 (OP)
But Sony told me that the PS5 was successful and doing great

>>717521776
Cope.

Console wars haven't been engaging in half a decade

>should we copy nintendo, a company thats making gigaprofits
>nah lets copy microsoft, the company that killed its entire xbox division

never EVER let westerners run your company

>>717519839
They're essentially pivoting to making Playstation an "Experience". Remember the "This is an Xbox" ad campaign Microsoft had? Yeah, that's what they're talking about but with Playstation. You'll still have a Playstation system but now "Playstation" is on everything else as well.

It means they're going to port everything that would have been exclusive to everything now either day one or with very little time between being exclusive and multiplat. They will likely also try to get a PSN client on PC that you download games from ala the current Microsoft Store and Xbox Apps, get a PSN app onto Switch 2 and the next Xbox so that you can download games and DLC from their storefront while Nintendo and Microsoft get a cut, they're going to force you to pay for their subscription services to do things like multiplayer or the game catalog on those platforms, and they're going to port everything off to get people pulled into PSN. Which is bafflingly stupid. You can already see the seeds of them doing this with their ports like Ghost of Sushi having PC-specific trophy lists.

"Engagement" means posting screenshots and videos on Twitter, talking about Playstation stuff on forums, using #hashtags when talking about #Playstation, and specifically going to Playstation-specific sections of discussions to talk about their games. What we are doing right now would be considered "Engagement" to them. It also means retention on games so that's why they're hell bent on live service titles as it's both retention for years and free money from microtransactions. It's why they were so freaked out at losing CoD to Microsoft because they get so much money from the microtransactions.

>>717521307
Exactly this. Again, go look at the PC sales for basic things like LBP's game, or go look at how Lego Horizon completely flopped on both PS5 and Switch. I guarantee you if Lego Horizon was exclusive to PS4 and PS5 it would have sold maybe a third of HFW instead of nothing at all.

>>717521868
the ps5 is doing great but their exclusives are not generally

>>717516819 (OP)
This makes sense. Hardware is stagnating. In the older days, every new console generation was a massive leap of technology, offering game experiences that were unique and not possible before. But nowdays games have been basically the same for the past 20 years or so.

So it makes sense trying to move away from that and focusing the business on something else, rather than technological progress.

>>717519149
Hmmm... you're right anon! Since Microsoft and Sony are both going multiplatform it makes way more sense to buy a $4000 PC than a $500 console!

>>717521903
Copying "making good games" is very hard

>>717522000
Anon its not that hard. You buy a switch instead

>>717516819 (OP)
Why are the folding before GTA6 arrive to save Sony and Playstation?

Xbox has never, ever, been good.
So why has Playstation been dead fucking set on mimicking everything Xbox does for the last two fucking gens?

>>717522031
its actually extremely easy

>step 1 do not pay retarded amounts of money for marvelslop ips
>step 2 halve your west coast devs and open european studios
>step 3 dont commit creative suicide by ordering 12 GaaS games to be made

>>717521903
>The company that is in permanent near bankruptcy and has been for like 20 years is making "gigaprofits"
>The company that fired a ton of people because they were fucking useless with 0 value offers gay pass, which benefits me (I give 0 fucks about the companies)
Being fat, retarded, dirty, smelly, a tranny and a pedophile (nintardo) must be rough

>>717521724
You could, but it would still make me right because your example is anecdotal. If convenience wasn't a selling point, consoles wouldn't be profitable.

I'm right, you're wrong. Deal with it.

>>717520315
SAAAAR

Sony looks into the future and future is not ps-2 style exclusives

>>717519501
This is one of the funniest DBZ memes

>>717521903
The fundamental difference between Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft is that the latter two are publishers who own game studios while the former is a publisher who owns game studios, works with game studios, and is also a game studio themselves.

>>717517348
Doesn't feel like much, I always felt like the console warriors were dumb and they never made any sense at all so I've never been particularly "engaged" in all that shit. I've been playing PC games for all these years and I'll just carry on.

And just like that, Nintendo wins again.
Truly the last man standing in the console space.

>>717516819 (OP)
I'm shocked and disappointed that the console scam is still profitable in 2025.

>>717522062
Switch doesn't play most of the higher end games you retard

>>717517348
I will enjoy their emulators like i always did muhahahaha

>>717519454
What do you think the PS6 is going to cost?

>>717520215
sure, lets have valve create yet another hardware they can abandon like a nigger baby after a year if they loose interest

>>717520315
BLODY BASTERD AN SIRS REDEEM THE MISTOOK

>>717521438
Steam Machines didn't completely fail since Deck and the other systems with SteamOS 3 pre-installed are the third-gen Steam Machines. If you keep them in the "Great on Deck" mode where you only see the highest tier of games with tested for compatibility SteamOS gets pretty close to a true console style experience.

The main thing that might differentiate an even more mainstream SteamOS 4 could just be more robust compatibility rating and controller compatibility requirements for games to be featured in a default store presentation. Which becomes possible as Steam for Linux grows from the 10-15 million number today to the 20-30 million user mark.

>>717522168
>because your example is anecdotal
You're right. I forgot that my hometown electronics is the only place in the world that assembles PCs for you.

>>717520719
Exactly, not to mention even I ask for a prebuilt that can "play everything" I'm not exactly thrilled to do payments because the cost will be $4999.99+tip on top of older titles having gamebreaking bugs because they run on obsolete operating systems VS plugging in my PS2 and playing them as intended.

>>717519775
>dreamcast guy having a melty
GOOD. fuck that fucking faggot.

>>717520719
The amount of "is this a good PC" posts I see in "PC builder experts" pages on kike book I see asking about shitty best buy is too high

>>717519731
PC doesn't have games anymore, just console ports. Splatoon 3 mogs any PC shooter, and BF6 is a console battlefield game, not a PC battlefield game. Planetside 2 and renx are infinitely more interesting than any of theae modern battlefield games

>>717522121
Because they know their financials for the rest of the year are going to be absolute garbage.

Also they must know that even if GTA6 sells 20m plus copies it won’t be enough to salvage things. After all GTA is a once a decade thing at this point.

>>717519910
ERIC MACACO BEGONE

>>717522145
Nintendo near bankruptcy? When? Like 40-50 years ago? Nintendo had managed to retain it’s position as the richest company in Japan because it might be surprising to learn but, they don’t operate on massive debts.

>>717521724
1) No you couldn't.
B) It would be more expensive than a console and would require far more after purchase care than your average consumer would wanna deal with.
3) The console video game market outperformed the PC market by nine billion dollars last year. Not only are they not close to dying like retard PCmutts like to fantasize about, their growth is outstripping PC growth as normalfags realize they don't wanna deal with badly optimized console ports for three times the cost of a PS5.
There's also no universe in which Sony or Microsoft surrender their share of the console market. For comparison, the entire film industry last year had an income of 37 billion dollars. MS or Sony pulling out of the console market would be the equivalent of Disney or Universal just deciding they didn't wanna make movies anymore. It's not happening and you're genuinely fucking stupid if you ever thought for a moment that it could.

And what exactly do playstation users get out of this?

There is zero incentive to stay on ps hardware after this, it's brand suicide

>>717519379
third worlders in internet cafes can figure out how to play LoL on shitty toasters, using a PC is so insanely fucking easy that you legit have to be braindead to think otherwise

>>717516819 (OP)
Nintendo won...

>>717516819 (OP)
Lol ima be real i think the biggest damage console did to themselves is charging for online that was the nail in the coffin people might have not seen it at first but i feel like things changed when people started to realize that im paying to use my fucking internet but i could be wrong

>>717522656
They don't care as long as they can still play CoD, FIFA and Fortnite on them.

>>717521654
i hope they are killing themselves.

>>717522145
>permanent near bankruptcy
>Nintendo
lmao PCmutt fantasies are getting truly out of touch with reality.

>>717516819 (OP)
I never expected PC to win this easily especially with GPU prices as fucked as they are

There is no way nintendo shareholders won't nag about opening the floodgates now too

all aboard the globalist slop4everyone future

>>717522656
Playstation users are a lot like mobile users and third worlder PCfags, insofar as so long as they can play their various F2P games, they don't care.

>>717522305
why do you have that shit on your drive, anon?

>>717518250
It won't get better unless Nintendo discontinues production of Key Cards entirely, forcing companies to actually put games on the cards. Even if an actual card becomes cheaper to sell because of more fitting storage offerings, there's absolutely no incentive to move away from the pure profit of an empty cartridge.

>>717522656
And how exactly does this make a $4000 PC more affordable?

>>717522897
>>717522796
this is always such cope, almost every multiplat with exception of games that appeal to the chinese or are GaaS adjacent sell best on ps5

There is a perception snoys don't play games because they don't massively buy the exclusives

But that is purely because the exclusives have become significantly less interesting

>>717522656
That's cause rather than effect though.
After the PS3 era the writing was on the wall. You can't sell systems based on power and relying on third parties. You have to offer something or third parties will eventually bounce and you get fucked. Which is what has happened year after year.

Do note, this is worse for everybody. Nintendo doesn't really have competition, it hasn't for years now.

>>717521168
Hindsight is 20/20. The road that lead to gay & lame started if not with the PS360 generation then at least during its time with epin "cinematic" focus which at the time wasn't totally done to death and seemed to find success. They went all in on that shit in the PS4 / Xbone era and now, like 10-15 the effects are finally too obvious to ignore anymore. The "cinematic" and "mature" focus was extremely fertile ground for the gay, lame & repugnant hiding under the guise of alleged tolerance and that's how things morphed into what we have today. Huge companies aren't agile enough to turn on a dime and things were put into motion long ago. Even if we could tell it was all garbage, it takes time for the retarded suit golems in control, who probably never liked and never played video games, to finally be convinced they need to change course and after over a decade of pushing hard in one direction they're just not going to be able to correct course very quickly. The gay & lame as games suffer from today wasn't put in place in a day and it's not going to go away in a day either.

>>717520215
Problem with PC is the OS. You install couple of programs, and whoops suddenly your windows registry is slower, causing 5-10% loss in CPU performance, up to maximum of 15-20% if you start doing video editing or music production.

>so buy separate system for gaming
I did, it's called switch 2. I'm not gonna buy games for PC anymore, it's a joke.

>>717523181
Microsoft had halo, fable, and even rare, and they did jackshit with those companies. They could've made so many more good games during xbone or series era, but naaah

In an alternate timeline playstation would have stayed full exclusive, kept studio japan live, and never hired jim ryan and hermen hulst

>>717523056
>But that is purely because the exclusives have become significantly less interesting
The multiplats are also less interesting, and the ones that sell aren't even the interesting ones.

>>717516819 (OP)
The console wars are over and everyone lost

>>717516819 (OP)
>make a console with no games on it
>wonder why nobody wants that console
absolute imbeciles working at sony

>>717523272
I hate posts like this because they remind me that most of the people here are underaged and third world.

>>717517348
You wish, Nintendo won, unironically

>>717523596
the console is selling fine, its their (few) games that keep selling bad

>>717523575
PC won.

>>717523634
...the losing war.

Has any image aged worse than this one?

>>717523634
Did we though?
Everything is kinda shit now in general.

>>717523675
>>717523713
Sit the fuck down.

>>717523575
only nintendo is winning right now.
they fuck with their customers and they still pay money for it

>>717516819 (OP)
Nintendo next, I can't wait.

>>717523772
isn't it funny, the worse you treat your own consumer base the more money you make

>>717517242
>AA games can be profitable if you keep budgets in check
>can
For the entirety of vidya history, AA gaming has always been the most profitable and sustainable category of gaming.
Even all the way back to the PS1-PS2 square enix had to cope with multiple AA releases to subsidize even their AAA success stories because they never made enough money to recoup costs despite topping sales charts back in the day.
Even GTA, cawadooty, NFS and asscreed originally were AA yearly releases made on shoestring budgets meant to fill the void between big first party games and print out money while doing so.

The console wars just got officially canceled

>>717523831
anon... they are swimming in money

>>717523772
Yes and the SONY Corporation is so benelovent they thanked their customerbase who picked the PS4 over Xbone by making them pay for online.

>>717523634
Indeed, there is no reason to not just get a PC literally everything comes to it

>But my ninty toddler games
Literally yes, Nintendo just rehashes the same game which is already PC accesible

>We beat Xbox
>We beat Sony
>We beat Nintendo
PCgods can't lose

>>717523857
... console war bros?
what do we do now?

>>717523831
this time for sure

>in the perfect position to make a giant comeback with your main competitor deas
>we give up

why, what a pussy move

>>717523949
*enter credit card companies*

>>717523984
Well win their to

>>717523772
They’re the only ones not trying and failing to release $500 billion dollar recurring revenue slop. Pretending to treat someone nicely while making every attempt to turn them into a myx paypig is what these other companies are counting on, it's pathetic it fools you

>>717523949
pc gods lost when they gave up physical ownership two decades ago

>>717519775
share with the class, anon

>>717523983
it's not about giving up

it's the typical cutting corners to make more money strategy that goes with line must go up

giving up on making playstation hardware means they'll save a shit ton of cash and make even more

>>717523612
I come from western country where our male population doesn't cut their penis tip as a sign of subservience to their masters, and I've been PC gaming for little over 2 decades, started with dos and shareware era. If that's "underage" to you, then I think you only use PC for gaming and nothing else. There are no games designed for PC that warrants 2000-4000$ hardware, or installing palantir tier surveilance OS that is W11 on your PC. Yeah good luck when the life of w10 runs out, they're really going to start pushing those Digital ID stuff on OS level really soon, and giving out your info to marketeers frequenting this site and other goons.

>>717516961
>MGS series is dead, killed by Konami
>DMC dead, IDK why
>Ace Combat, not an exclusive anymore
>ICO/SotC hasn't had a release since PS4
>GTA, not an exclusive. Won't be one on release of GTA6
>Silent Hill 2, remake released and f coming soon
>Gran Turismo, racing games are dead
>Naughty Dog games outside of Last of Us or Uncharted, lol lmao even

It's just not enough. Sony can't come up with new IPs that sell well and people want to play.
They pushed Horizon onto us like crazy but no one wants that slop. I can't think of anything brand new that pushed its way into mainstream.

>>717524058
only millennial basedboys care about having boxxes all over the place

>xbox moving away from hardware and pushing game pass
>sony doing the same thing likely
>you retard chuckle fucks think this is good thing.

>>717516819 (OP)
last playstation game was like in 2002 ? where are all those game if they just decided to shut it down in 2025 ?

>>717523962
RIP console wars
1983-2025
this great battle, many of which we participated now, its over

>>717524081
what a great idea to focus on short term gains instead of long term ones

>>717520997
Nintendo

>>717524102
>I come from western country
Sorry Dimitry, eastern Europe isn't the west, and don't kid yourself, Sony and MS will absolutely be pushing digital ID on consoles, which is why the only way to escape it will be Linux.

>>717521245
That's true, but it's also true that their budgets did not balloon out of control as fast as MS and Snoy, that's the whole point, Nintendo IS improving hardware every generation, but they do it at a reasonable pace that is consistent with technology growth and reasonable prices, unlike that console graphic armrace titans that cornered themselves into this situation.

Plus, Nintendo releases a lot of AA games that are not that graphically intensive, this is the right approach as they keep a consistent release schedule of 1 game/month, while also avoiding losing a ton of money If the game fails.

>>717524268
:(
I will miss the great war
Im now a veteran without meaning

>>717524270
fuck you got mine

*jumps out of skyscraper headquarters with a golden parachute*

>>717516819 (OP)
shouldn't have wasted all their money on concord and its sequels.

>>717522876
>PCmutt
That's a Snoygger thoughbeit

>>717524058
>Saying this when Nintendo can brick the switch 2 any time it wants and has game cards

>>717524058
You'll never be able to experience this in modern day anymore

>release of new game console is imminent
>there's an event where players go and can play some games casually on new console
>get beaten on a sports game I've never played on a console I've never played before
>the atmosphere and vibes are on the roof, end up leaving the event with a CD of GeneWars

You'll never buy another Bullfrog game in any shape of form ever agan. The newer generations truly don't know what they've lost

>>717523831
Two more weeks vegan bro ;)

>>717524270
The way every single country work, why make 6 trillions of $ when you can just sell to foreigner for 200 millions right now ?

>>717524401
I am well aware but nintendo consumers will not listen anyway so i just laugh from a distance

>>717516819 (OP)
>a platform business that expands the community and increases engagement
Does this mean ANYTHING? Why is it any time I hear japanese corpos make any sort of statement it's something meaningless and trite like this?

>>717524232
Why is it bad?

Exclusives should die out and is anti consumer, if you are against things like crossplay you are a gay slave

>>717524285
>which is why the only way to escape it will be Linux
Yeah that will last only 3 years tops, they will crack down linux soon, too. Besides anyone doing anything serious with PC wont be able to use linux either way, cause most of the heavy hitting proprietary software doesn't run very well on linux, the DRMs don't like running under emulation.

i guess i am getting a switch 2 now but i am worried how weak it is

>>717524448
Fair enough

>>717524497
>Yeah that will last only 3 years tops, they will crack down linux soon, too.
Literally not possible.
Like I said, you're underaged and third world.

>>717522370
The thing is that your controller settings would need to be the best community-provided ones by default. You would have to mandate community patches and fixes as part of the download simply because of the experience not being console-like for a decent amount of games. Compatibility shouldn't be a thing at all that should be stated. Either it's 100% compatible or you've failed because consoles are always compatible with their generation's games.

That's the kinds of things I mean. You shouldn't be shown compatibility because by default everything should be 100% compatible with your system. It doesn't matter that it's Linux, the consumer does not give a rat's ass what Linux even is, they bought a handheld that says it plays games from Steam so it better play what they want 100% of the time with zero issues from Steam or Linux's side. It doesn't matter that Proton is basically black magic and Linux is essentially trying to run stuff it was never designed to run, to the consumer ProtonDB literally shouldn't even be a thing that exists that's how compatible SteamOS should be with PC games sold on Steam.

>>717516819 (OP)
KEK where were you when Nintendo BUCK BROKE sony this hard? The tears will be glorious. Commence the cope sony ponies lmao

>>717524401
>Has to spread misinformation to pretend anything is wrong
How pathetic

>>717524549
You really don't know. I guess the saying is true, ignorance is bliss.

>>717522302
Not 2k+ jeet

>>717519731
they won't, because their games are extremely cheap to make, so they don't have to go hunting for extra millions
still surprised at how low quality pokemon is, absolute trash heap

>>717524470
exclusives are one of the only incentives for these big corps to bot make common denominator slop. How can you not see the writing on the wall. Sony literally just said “we’re still going to do live service” despite botching the whole gen with it

>>717524636
Yea, like I thought, you're a fucking retard.
Here's hoping your dogshit country bans this site soon so you need to VPN into my superior country to post your retarded bullshit.

>>717524582
They've already started, they're all chanting their new mantra "Nintendo will be next".

>>717524601
Yeah bro, Nintendo is totally very pro consumer

>>717524530

No need to care about specs unless you're building a PC, you're not going to be using a games console to do 100 VLOOKUPs in Excel

>>717524582
>KEK where were you when Nintendo BUCK BROKE sony this hard?
Fuck why does this make me hard

Where is that gay ass astrobot dancing gif now?

>>717524401
Nintendo still releases their games physical. Not their fault publishers are cheap and portable memory media is expensive. PC has no such excuse

>>717523752
>OH YEA WELL LOOK AT ALL THIS SLOP PCVEGANS BOUGHT BET YOU FEEL SILLY NOW
lmfao

>>717524693
We learn that is not the case, being exclusives doesnt make a game better, this isn't the 2000s anymore

>>717524710
ok now you're just being possessed anon

>>717516942
Covid made me switch

I wonder if this tariff fuckery is speeding up the death of consoles, this might actually be the last gen

>>717523949
...their virginities.

>>717524876
>you'll own nothing and be happy
>here anon, let me do the thinking for you..

>>717524876
Based, will vote orange man again for his 3rd term.

>>717517348
I didn't want them to turn gay, they could've remained straight and made good games. Now Deck 2 will be the only gaming hardware you would ever need. It's the end of an era. Caused by "the male gaze" psyop.

>>717524818
Yes, because the other two consoles have leaned into making slop because they haven’t reign in budget bloat for the past two gens. That’s why Sony puppets their IP corpses around instead of making games for them. And because Xbox made them not have to compete with successive failures. Now they’ll just be competing over recurring revenue spend, and any good game dev they own will be whittled away

>Totoki Scales Back PlayStation Investments
Switch 2 is out and they're scaling back lmao

>>717525049
>deck 2
Two more weeks right retard lmao

Sadness awaits

>>717517348
Hopefully nintendo will follow suit, can't wait for /v/ to completely meltdown kek

>Snoys are seething since N64 days that they didn't bait Nintendo into a economic attrition battle they couldn't win long term as they did with SEGA that went heads in like based retards
Hahahahaah

>>717522145
I see you aren't taking the news well, going the way of Sega must be hard

>>717525337
will literally never ever happen with the old guard still alive

>>717517348
I didn't do anything.

Once physical media is phased out, I'm quitting gaming.

>>717516819 (OP)
For Sony it is. They will never succeed at this. No wonder the went this way, as ps5 has literally 0 games.

the shitposting is fun and all but the future of vidya seems to have become very boring lately

>>717517518
I wish SEGA wasn’t squeezed out by colossal corporations like Sony and Microsoft, gaming was their bread and butter and they poured their soul into, good and bad, nowadays console gaming landscape is like the American car industry

>>717525461
No one cares. When you die people will just throw your shit out anyway.

>Sony
Dogshit
>Microsoft
Absolute dogshit
>Nintendo
Quickly becoming dogshit

Nobody with a lick of sense is playing and buying games on consoles anymore

>>717516819 (OP)
Just sell prebuilt pc's if you must and focus on making cool, innovative controllers

>>717525490
You have to play AA and Indie games if you want to enjoy good vidya. None of the modern AAA games are good anymore

>>717516819 (OP)
>engagement based
meaning what, exactly?

>>717523181
>You have to offer something or third parties will eventually bounce and you get fucked. Which is what has happened year after year.
But that's because of Sony's ineptitude, not because of the power race.
Devs were still there for Sony with the PS3 because they were the only place you could release higher end Japanese games on and generally anything not on the Wii went there or got shared with the 360 because it was huge at the time after the 599 US dollars nonsense.
Devs were there for Sony with the Vita despite their atrocious support for it and the horrendous marketing. The Japanese side of the Vita to this day was home to an absurd amount of VNs, DRPGs, JRPGs, and random other genres that the west only saw some of.
Devs were there for Sony with the PS4 to the point that they literally had Resident Evil 2, Nier Tomato, Yakuza 0, and Persona 5 explode in popularity due to a space of time where there were no new games coming out and they filled in the spot perfectly. What turned devs away was the draconian censorship policies and having to do business in English with Sony despite being in other countries. The Switch coming out and basically being a Vita 2 in terms of being a home for smaller Japanese developers sealed the deal as Sony was constantly giving them the middle finger by that point.

With the PS5 devs can't justify sticking with Sony anymore both due to Covid destroying sales for exclusive games on the system early on, but also because they've still got their policies from the latter half of the PS4 still in place and all the niches they've formed have moved onto Nintendo or even PC due to them.

If Sony didn't shoot themselves in the foot in the latter half of last gen I think we wouldn't have seen as many smaller Japanese devs specifically pivot to Switch, and it wouldn't cause Sega or Capcom to start experimenting with PC as much to diversify.

>>717524553
>The thing is that your controller settings would need to be the best community-provided ones
You already don't get Deck Certified if you're dependent on community controller settings. It also isn't that hard for Devs to add controller support.

>Compatibility shouldn't be a thing at all that should be stated.
It is something even consoles have to do. That's what the console branding is all about. Same thing with the Deck Certified status, although it isn't yet as rigorous as console QA testing. Most of the Deck Certified vs Deck Playable has nothing to do with Linux either. It is things like controller prompts, launchers, default settings for the hardware.

>by default everything should be 100% compatible with your system.
The default search already only shows the highest compatibility tier. Any store front bridging multiple systems is going to have the issue of presenting compatibility.

>Proton is basically black magic and Linux is essentially trying to run stuff it was never designed to run
Proton isn't that different from the compatibility layer NT uses to run win32 software. None of these games were really designed for the way modern OSes work.

>ProtonDB literally shouldn't even be a thing that exists
Honestly the fact that there isn't a similar resource for Microsoft's compatibility layer in Windows 11 is a major issue with the platform for gaming. Normal users may not care but it is valuable for enthusiasts wanting to run older titles, or developers looking for bugs.

SteamOS is never going to be 100% compatible with every game on Steam, no modern OS is. If you buy a 4th gen Steam Machine, and the QA process is stepped up as the SteamOS audience size grows, unless you seek out incompatible games you'll get an even more refined "console" experience.

>>717523710

>>717524731
Not anymore or any less than the other major competitors "bro"

>>717525587
10 new GAAS in production

>>717525546
>Nintendo
>Quickly becoming dogshit
No it's not, only kart was bad, but bananza is good, and splatoon will remain #1 online shooter to play in modern day. Metroid Prime 4 is 50/50, but I have hopes that it too could be interesting

>>717525490
Indies are fun, including making your own

>>717525605
nintendo could use a astro bot to be honest, to realise just how much better it is than dankey kang

He won

>>717525273
Why the fuck would I want it to come out in 2 weeks? It would be underpowered

>>717523983
High-end console hardware is not a particularly profitable business to be in - if it's profitable at all anymore. The money comes in from the games and the subscriptions idiots pay for, but neither of those categories require special hardware, not anymore. Meanwhile the hardware is getting more expensive while also becoming more homogenized and more similar with everything else. The difficulty of porting to different platforms is at an all-time low and all these things mean it's not making any sense to keep your profitable products (games) locked to your unprofitable products (console hardware) while intentionally cutting out huge potential swathes of the customer base.

>>717524271
The exception that proves the rule, basically. Nintendo has been running their business completely differently for like 2 decades now. MS and Sony have been in a full sprint down the wrong road for like 20 years now, it's too late to suddenly decide they want to be like Nintendo now, they can't because they simply lack the capacity to do so. Nintendo was smart to move to cheap hardware and Nintendo was smart to keep the quality up on their game output, more precisely to keep the quality up on actual video games, products which are focused on being played and not the cinematic trash Sony & MS dove head-first into.

Like I said though, it's too late for Sony and MS to be like Nintendo. They haven't been like Nintendo for 20 years. They don't have the employees, they don't have the capacity. They can't just suddenly begin cranking out actually good video games, all their studios, devs and business connections are tied into their gay & lame cinematic crap. They can't suddenly start making cheap hardware because the entrenched fans they still have won't suddenly accept a big downgrade in performance and hardware. They went down the wrong path a long time ago and now their chance is to go through rather than back. And that's exactly what they're both trying to do.

>>717517589
Any economy that stakes its life on infinite growth and endlessly chasing bigger profits forever will eventually turn into a cancer. Capitalism is excellent in theory but it still needs a lot of bandaid fixes because humanity is a creature that will gleefully self-destruct at the slightest provocation.

>>717525702
Donkey Kong uber alles

>>717525490
>the future of vidya seems to have become very boring lately
>consoles will exist as the FIFA and Call of Duty box in deano living rooms
>"mainstream gamers" that follow blockbusters like Souls shit, multiplayer games etc. will get PCs (prebuilt)
>players that care for indies, more obscure games, customization, power and modding will get PCs (self built)
>Nintendo exists for Asians, families and millennials that care for their first parties, some Japanese indies
>mobile will keep having its casual microtransaction garbage, but also more multiplats with console and PC
Where do you go from here?

>>717516819 (OP)
Deck mindbroke Sony

>>717525587

Get doing those dailies in Horizon Rancher

>>717525797
Usury ruined capitalism

>>717525597
Agree with one caveat, both Microsoft and Sony coordinated with third parties regarding what their systems should look like from PS4 onwards, precisely to avert another PS3 disaster.
In practice this meant making similar systems, which allowed third parties to easily develop multiplatform games, even with PC versions.
This is still about ineptitude, sure, but part of that ineptitude was specifically selling their soul to third parties.

>>717525663
Kart is good, it just has bad options. A 3 lap queue would fix every problem with it. Saying it’s bad is braindead reductive

>>717525819
Forgot
>Deck and its follow ups and clones will exist but will always be niche enthusiast hardware since they depend on having a Steam library (therefore already owning a powerful PC) while not having the Nintendo first parties that justify the weaker hardware in the eyes of their fans

>>717525873
Oy vey, cool it goy.

>>717517589
Retard commie

>>717517348
It's fucking great but I downlow a Switch and a Switch 2. No idea why anyone would buy a PS or XB anymore. The whole "make consoles low-end PCs to speed up development" was a 0IQ move. Games take longer than every to develop, and they're uninspired, unoptimized shite.

>>717525929
I uninstalled it to make room for better games. Also removed from home screen

>>717521438
>Jim Jones who just did a 60 hour work week and just wants to play games isn't going to buy a Steam Deck even if it was advertised in stores due to the simple fact it's still not at that level of streamlined yet.
I dunno, I think the Steam Deck is just about there when it comes to a streamlined environment for gaming.
It's not quite on the level of retard-proof as current consoles, but I'd say it's somewhere between the PS3 and PS4 in terms of UI usability. Game compatibility is also pretty good, the only games I've flat out not been able to play on it are some of the big online games that aren't specifically whitelisted for Steam Deck and some older games (Way of the Samurai 4 for instance just immediately crashes as soon as you try to press any buttons, which I find funny considering WotS 3 works almost flawlessly on the SD).
I won't say it's entirely there yet, but it's 90% there for general gaming.

Yes, what the vidya industry really needs is valve having even more power and money

>>717526067
I don’t care, you retard

>>717524876
>the gaming market that outperformed the PCvegan market in revenue is dying xisters!

What causes this level of delusion? Thermal paste fumes? Plastics leeching into their skin from cheap gaming mice? Truly a mystery.

I always hated the share button

>>717526127
Yes you do care, because it flopped, it's a game that was forgotten. But like I told you, that's ok because DK is that much better that 1 flop isn't gonna sully the console's reputation.

>>717526181
A single asiatic gacha outearned your favorite bespoke masterpiece game series' lifetime profit in one month.

>itt: pclards and jeets kvetching because they can't afford modern hardware and they won't play gta6 at launch
the ps5 generation is the most profitable generation to date for sony, people don't care about exclusives, people just want a cheap box that will run the latest AAA games with no worries or messing with settings, as long as PCtrash is not able to provide a similar gaming experience you can keep your orvepriced cuckboxes to yourself fatlards

>>717518494
SEGA had pride in their consoles and development studios, they pumped out so many good games during their time and many were from small unknown studios, if you watch interviews like one with Hediki Sato the chief hardware engineer on the Saturn and later Dreamcast he said that 3rd party devs were usually a secondary concern and they rely first on strong first party devs, and while the Saturn was poorly supported in the west, they did support it in Japan and they went all out with the Dreamcast, had they survived today’s gaming would have been so much better and competitive

>>717526181
>consoles are not retard PCs that also have thermal pads you're supposed to change regularly
>consoles don't have garbage low quality peripherals you give to your little brother
Come on now.

>>717521694
Yeah, I too remember the X86 Sega Genesis and the Dreamcast with OpenGL. The only consoles that have "always" been PCs were Xboxes and that's because Microsoft, even with infinite money and hundreds of thousands of employees, could never get DX working well on custom hardware. They *STILL* can't!

People told me for a decade that mobile is going to eclipse everything else, yet consoles are the ones dying as a concept, and PC is doing fine. Really makes you think.

>>717526231
Does anyone here ever liked it?

>>717526293
>people just want a cheap box that will run the latest AAA games with no worries or messing with settings
I am not "people". I want to optimize my experience. Consolecattle hear about mods and their skin grows hives because their corporate daddy doesn't approve.

>>717526428
It gets funnier when even mobile gacha shits start to port their games into PC too.

>>717526293
The average person also has no problem with having to provide ID to do everything on the internet, that doesn't mean shit to me.

>>717516819 (OP)
Watch them become another store-front launcher akin to EGS. It's a sinking ship alright.

>>717525605
HAhah lmao ouch

>>717526267
what do I give a shit about it “flopping” or your dumbass opinion? I play the game and enjoy it, because it has the best track design, the best fundamental mechanics, the best alternate mode, the best singleplayer content in the series. and the best soundtrack of the year

>>717516819 (OP)
K E K

Sony and Microsoft both just gave up.

>next "console" war will be between PC and Nintendo
How does it feel to live in a new era?

>>717526542
>the best singleplayer content in the series
That's not a high bar to reach.
For the open world they designed, the shitty low effort challenges are 1/50th of what they could have done with that potential.

>>717526631
>Blud think PC is even in the race
It's a Nintendo's world, baby.

>>717526631
feels fucking boring

>>717525791
>Final Fantasy has been a fucking joke for 20 years
Yamauchi had the last laugh.

>>717526542
>the best singleplayer content in the series
Yeah that's not saying much. If you wanted real singleplayer content, you'd play Diddy Kong Racing. This game's singleplayer content is terrible compared to DKR, and so are the arenas

>>717526631
I dunno, the PC and Nintendo markets are so different that I doubt there's much overlap.
Put simply, people who want Nintendo games just go buy the Nintendo consoles.
People who don't...don't.
And it's not like Nintendo is moneyhatting devs to keep their games off of PC like how Sony used to do.

>>717525598
>You already don't get Deck Certified if you're dependent on community controller settings
You shouldn't even need to be "Deck Certified", it should be the default for every game and Valve should pay for it to happen for existing games while all future games take it into account. That's what I mean by a "consolized experience". The badge shouldn't even exist because every game by default would work on the Deck 100% with no issues outside of the obvious game ones that happen because they're just programmed poorly.
>It is something even consoles have to do.
When you put a game into a console that is made for it it just works with no frills, no fuss. On my Switch I can pop in any game cart and the game has no issues. With the Steam Deck if I download Chex Quest HD onto it I expect it to work flawlessly. Picture related shouldn't even be a thing that needs to be stated on a game's page, it should work 100% of the time.
>Any store front bridging multiple systems is going to have the issue of presenting compatibility.
I understand your point, but it's irrelevant to the average consumer. You as the one selling the product should have ironed this out before the product even came out in its entirety. I completely understand that there's so much involved in even getting Proton and Windows games to work properly on Linux, I get it, but to a normal person they do not care. They just want to play game and game no play.
>SteamOS is never going to be 100% compatible with every game on Steam, no modern OS is.
Realistically, I understand, but to the average consumer it doesn't matter. They don't have this problem on their Xbox, Nintendo, or Sony so it shouldn't exist here.

>>717526102
Oh believe me, I agree that they're close, I'm just making the point that you need to make it fully consolized as a whole. You can't have compatibility issues on anything sold in the Steam storefront, period. If you want it to actually work like a console then you need your Genshin Impacts

>>717526641
>it could’ve been ____
Don’t care, enjoyed what was there. Was a nice change of pace from normal races too

Why are PCfags so thin skinned? They're also the only ones with a mocking name still wordfiltered.

>>717516819 (OP)
So this means we'll get a Bloodborne port, right?

>>717526631
It means Nintendo is gonna stop pulling punches.

>>717526631
There can be no such thing. Nintendo only rides on first party games that PC players don't care about, and Nintendo fans can only put "miracle ports" of third parties in a pedestal years after they released on PC and with very heavy performance costs. Different platforms with different userbases.

Ulti's favorite Pizza

>>717524876
>I wonder if this tariff fuckery is speeding up the death of consoles
Nah. That solely goes to TVs. Consoles can't keep up with the ever increasing resolutions of modern TVs. That also means that Nintendo is sticking around because they've gone with their hybrid angle. To top it off because they popularised it Sony and MS can't follow in their footsteps without being called a copy.

>>717526785
bloodborne will not be touched untill ps6 is out and you will get the bluepoint version, not the og

>>717526798
Yet Nintendo games still sell more than the most popular PC shits. The Switch 2 also outsold the shitty Deck's entire lifetime sale in a week too.

>>717526482
ok lardass, optimize whatever you want while I play games
your kvetching is irrelevant, playstation is status symbol essentially
>>717526521
>The average person also has no problem with having to provide ID
obviously, because they did nothing wrong?

>>717526868
>MS can't follow in their footsteps without be- ACK!

>>717526631
>next "console" war will be between PC and Nintendo
The console wars ended when Sega dropped out, after that it was just sony trying and failing to be the new Nintendo.

>>717526871
>you will get the bluepoint version, not the og

>everybody is just quitting

china with tencent could do the funniest thing

>>717526904
You're the only one talking about sales here. No fucking shit the uniform casual platform with fewer choices on what to play and no piracy has more short term sales.

>>717526737
>I'm just making the point that you need to make it fully consolized as a whole.
Honestly, I don't think that will ever be feasible, because I don't think anyone would want that.
I think (and I can't believe I'm about to say this shit) that it'd be better to aim for more of an Android-like environment, where the official Steam experience is mostly pretty good if you exercise a little common sense to avoid scams, but people are still free to sideload or load custom OSes or tinker with their device as they please.
I don't think the walled garden approach of consoles or iOS is ever going to be a good fit in a modern "digital ID" world if you want to sell a genuine PC gaming handheld.
I do agree with you on compatibility though, I think it should be better than what it currently is, but I don't know if it would be feasible to require *every* game to fully support the SD.
It'd be like requiring every game to fully support any PC that can install and launch Steam.
It's just not a console platform, and it never will be, but I think it can be more akin to something like Android, at least when it comes to the compatibility aspect.

>>717526904
Jesus fuck, Sony hasn't even 100% dropped out yet and you're trying to force wars.

>>717519710
>groiderman
>good
LOLD. go back.

>>717526975
>obviously, because they did nothing wrong?
Show me your ID then, retard.

>>717526978
That will be $1000 plus tax.

>>717526785
The Japan Studios closure means we'll never get anything better than OG BB in a PS4P or emulator. Look at what had to be done to get Demon's Souls running and realize that BB is far more than that.

>>717526978
Reading comprehension anon, they can't follow without being called a copy.
The first thing people said in response to that is that MS were copying Nintendo.

>>717519910
Eric Begone

>>717527180
>Eric
>shitting on Sony

Xbox is the most future proofed console company right now, Xbox just saw that future gamers dont really care for console wars or platforms, they just want to play games wherever they are and serve to do their best to put their games on every platform. Sony also sees the end of the hardware race as well. Nintendo will do the same eventually, they've always been late to everything but they cannot deny the reality of the industry.

>>717526978
>ROG XBOX

>>717519731
If sony teams up with steam and distributes steam OS they have a shot at staying dominent in console.

Issue before was console and PC used to process games very differently, then they processed them the same but PC was far too expensive while console was only $300is for access to the best games running at top graphics quality, then PCs started running better than consoles for just a little more money, then pcs ran better and faster than consoles at a cheaper price, then the ammount of improvement you saw between console generations was reduced to having to squint at jaggies rather than a night and day leap in resolution and fidelity with infinately more gameplay....

So naturally consoles are dying cause they can't deliver high end graphics at low end pc price points anymore and are hard to justify.

>>717517147
Imagine how overweight "ZakkenKloot" is and how bad he smells.

>>717527207
if the moment ever happens nintendo drops consoles they will just make 150$ proprietary strange controllers you need for the games to work properly on pc

>>717527207
Nintendo doesn't have to give a shit if even their overpriced tablet sells ten gorillion units
Mario Kart makes more money than the GDP of some countries

>>717527296
you mean like they've already been doing with the n64 and gamecube controllers?

Good riddance. Snoyggers are the worst posters on this board by far. I'll be happy to see them gone.
>>717519132
Because Nintendo is the only one still making actual games. Snoy and microshit "experiences" are worthless.

>community and engagement based platform business model
Can anyone translate this from MBA to human please?

>>717526017
I don't think it was only a development speed thing. It's a mostly inevitable consequence of the hardware space beyond game consoles maturing and consolidating. Back when consoles first popped up as a product category, there was no strongly established way to run video games or to do graphics hardware and so on. Companies competed and tried their own things. Then the shift to 3D began and once again, there was no established way to do real-time 3D graphics with performance good enough for games and a price point attractive enough for people to buy en-masse as an entertainment product to have at home. A whole bunch of companies basically managed to get in on the ground floor or close to it, then competition eventually whittled them down until only a few remained.

As time went on, the way to do 3D graphics and the way to run video games became more and more standardized and the companies which survived in the space pushed progress forward. Things then became so advanced that it was no longer plausible for somebody to just decide to make their own shit from scratch and as such they had no option but to buy from the established players. Ultimately this lead to where we are today, where consoles are basically shit PCs with extra DRM cancer on top. Sony, MS or Nintendo can't just decide to make their own graphics chip or whatever, because they don't have the know-how or experience. If they started from scratch to make their own they would just not have a competitive product on their hands, so they have to buy from the few players in that space and as such the hardware gets homogenized.

Obviously I'm sure the development speed being higher is a factor as well but when everyone has to buy from AMD or NVIDIA, which both make PC hardware, ending up with a DRM box that's just a shit PC is kind of inevitable.

>>717524124
>Sony can't come up with new IPs
They can, they just decided to do so with literally a dozen GaaS and all of them except Helldivers 2 got cancelled.

>>717517348
PC gaming is dead now that gaben fully betrayed gamers by bending over and spreading his ass to payment processors and now unironically defending AIslop.
All while they would rather purchase a yacht company instead of improving steam.
Don't think I have forgotten about paid mods and literal mod DRM with worshop and by killing all external downloaders either.

Eat shit consoleniggers

NINTENDO WINS

FLAWLESS VICTORY

>>717527380
They're doing what Sega did

>SONY and Microsoft enter the industry
>Just throw money at everything and apply embrace, extend, and exterminate
>20 years later they have to make games
>uhhh how do we do this bro?

>>717527380
video games in the past decade has moved away from one and done experiences to platforms where you can play for over a decade. Examples like roblox, fortnite, minecraft and more where there's a stable fanbase playing just one game. Younger gamers just stick to one of these games now instead of buying new games and that's pretty much the future of gaming.

>>717521078
Denuvo only enraged brown poorfags, most games with Denuvo are still shit and soulless.

>snoycucks goes third party before nintendo
EL OH EL

>>717525461
Same.

>>717527414
>PS1 & PS2
>purchased for SONY IP
Pffff hahahaha

>>717523628
>91
>mogged by a random french nepobaby (multiplat)
nah

dude i just wanted games
Not this

>>717527442
So long to gated heaven, we are entering gaming hell

>>717527509
sony started out with a great output of games for two generations and back then nintendo REALLY needed to be btfo, they were way too arrogant

>>717517595
a lot of people just wouldnt play those games anon, like how a lot of people refuse to play gacha

The ads for porting games over to pc shouldve made it obvious they were quitting
That being said
>xbox bowed out
>sony bowed out
And nintendo won by doing absolutely nothing

>>717526737
>You shouldn't even need to be "Deck Certified", it should be the default for every game
That's not going to happen, for the same reason that not every game for the Switch is going to get its status as a OG Switch title removed when viewing it in Nintendo's store.
There's always going to be extra QA required for delivering the latest and greatest 'console' experience that older titles may not get.
Same problem Microsoft has that a lot of games aren't getting re-tested on the newer version of their compatibility layer.

>On my Switch I can pop in any game cart and the game has no issues.
Because console level QA is really stringent compared to get a game on to Steam.

>I get it, but to a normal person they do not care. They just want to play game and game no play.
If they don't venture outside of the green checkmark fully certified games, that is basically what they get, and by default you only see those games presented to you on the Deck. Next-gen SteamOS systems will probably see improvements both to the QA, and to how that QA status gets presented. Like how the branding for Switch and Switch 2 games is different.

>They don't have this problem on their Xbox, Nintendo, or Sony
If you ignore the need to present backwards compatible titles. They all handle that by being walled gardens and having clear branding representing their support status. A lot of the requirements for that aren't that different from being Deck certified. All the correct button prompts, text that is readable, settings that run well, etc.

>>717527625
Yeah that's right. Consoleniggers do deserve to burn in hell!

>>717527630
>sony started out with a great output of games for two generations
>KONAMI
>NAMCO
>SQUARESOFT
>CAPCOM
>Were internal SONY studios
.....

>>717517803
>someone saved and reposted my edit
kek

>>717527712
doesnt matter, they were exclusive

>>717526428
PC isn't going to die because it's an open platform. People like games and as long as they can make games for a platform they will keep doing so. People from decades ago were making games for their academic and enterprise mainframes which didn't even have graphics support. As long as it's possible, it will continue. Consoles as entirely closed and DRM'd platforms need the constant care of their owners, but PC doesn't have this problem.

>>717516819 (OP)
nintendo gobblin up that marketshare

>>717527753
Except they werent

Why doesn't steam create a OS 100% made for gaming? This would kill all consoles once and for all

I think the real fun starts when all these platforms start asking for ID in order to play T or M-rated games.
I'm sure Microshit will lead the charge there, and lord knows they'll have some breach (or more likely just sell your data) so you can get harassed by Indian scammers even more.

>>717527060
The problem is that people aren't really going to view it in the same lens as Android though, they'd be comparing it to its competitors that are the consoles. I do agree that they've come a very long way from Big Picture and that It Just Works™ with controller navigation along with basically every game supporting essentially every controller with realtime swapping to another controller input type. But it's still got somewhat nested menus, it's still fairly cluttered, the library requires Decky Loader to get looking nice, you're not provided as much information as basic DL plugins give you, etc. I'd argue it could still use a tad more simplification and more implementations of things from DL but it's almost there in terms of the UI.
>I don't think the walled garden approach of consoles or iOS is ever going to be a good fit in a modern "digital ID" world if you want to sell a genuine PC gaming handheld.
Well, the thing is that normal people don't particularly care it's a PC insomuch as they care it plays games like a console. As it is SteamOS is already a pseudo walled garden with the way it cleans /home (I think that was it?) on updates so you can't really do that much invasive tinkering with it to begin with to make sure a person doesn't cause issues with the machine.
>but I don't know if it would be feasible to require *every* game to fully support the SD.
Like I said, not realistic in any way but that's ultimately the goal if you want to get the basic consumers on board with it. They shouldn't have to think at all if a game will work and they shouldn't expect issues outside of the game itself being the issue. If someone wants to load up Apex Legends on it they should be able to just like if they want Fortnite, Destiny 2, or Genshin Impact. Restrictions like that aren't really a thing on consoles. If you are providing a game on the storefront and it's visible on that storefront to purchase then it should be playable on your machine.

>>717527871
What do you think SteamOS is?

>>717527753
>What made SONY such a great company was that they locked down these third parties to their console with bribes

>>717527871
That is literally what SteamOS is.
That said, Gaben doesn't really seem to want you to use SteamOS in your personal rig, he'd prefer that you just use your preferred Linux distro.
SteamOS technically still works on a desktop (assuming you have an NVME drive and an AMD GPU), but it's not *technically* designed for desktops.

>>717527976
>>717528027
linux under a different name is not that. You need an OS with god tier resource management so normies don't have to fuck around with hardware too much which is what consoles are

>>717528136
Fuck normalfags, I want them to stay on consoles where they belong so they can scan their ID to play the latest gambling sports game or shitty CoD or GTA.

>>717528005
>bribes
>implying it was not because of the retarded cartridges nintendo chose to use

>>717528205
>Fuck normalfags, I want them to stay on consoles where they belong so they can scan their ID to play the latest gambling sports game or shitty CoD or GTA.
>GTA
>CoD
>Game series that started on PC
Cognitive dissonance?

>>717527632
Gachas are some of the biggest money makers so that might not be the best deterrent.

>>717518495
simply put, hardware more powerful than what people could develop for in an economical way
nintendo's strategy was the correct strategy: lower powered hardware and emphasis on fun games that don't take 100M$+8 years to make allows risks to be taken and small studios to flourish
what's fucked up is this was exactly what the PSX's strategy was (perhaps because it was originally developed in collaboration with nintendo)

nintendo......... won

so nintendo is officially the ultimate winner of the console wars?

>>717528245
It literally was bribes for many of them, on top of draconian exclusivity contracts that KEPT some third parties In the PS ecosystem by FORCE. Cartridges were retarded but square already had a working FFVII prototype before they switched teams, so that wasn't an excuse.

Learn history retard.

The console wars are over

>>717528310
CoD hasn't been a PC game since they got rid of dedicated community servers.
Consolefags can have it.

I miss the console wars. Even though I am a PCfag, I loved trolling both sides of the aisle. Now there's nobody left to troll.

no good games are being made anyway

>>717528408
Consolewars stopped being interesting when they stopped being fun memes like this and just turned into either my wojak > your wojak or third worlders jerking off over financial reports and acting like they're shareholders.

>>717527124
you are no the government authority, you are a random faggot online
the "I have nothing to hide" does not automatically exclude the "I don't want to reveal my sensitive information to literally whos online which can lead to bad things"
it's obviously in my interest to make sure that only competent institutions have access to that info

>>717527414
I can't for the life of me remember the game with the fat black lady dancing. That shit was pure slop.

>>717528245
Come on now be honest
>In April 2020, co-creator of Tomb Raider Paul Douglas confirmed that a Saturn version of Tomb Raider II was in development until the Sony exclusivity deal forced to cancel it

>>717528537
>you are no the government authority, you are a random faggot online
And now I'm a random faggot Indian online who works at Microsoft.
Now show me your ID, cunt, otherwise eat shit and die, sar.

>>717516961
>Creativity
>Passion
>Funding that fuels it
That's why I moved on to retro kinos, they still exist

>>717527102
>groiderman
fucking kek

>>717519910
Eric begone

>>717517589
Under communism there wouldn’t even be a videogame industry, you sheltered retard. Why do you think all Russian writers moved to Europe?

>>717528609
>And now I'm a random faggot Indian online who works at Microsoft.
nope, not a government mandated authority, try again chudjeet

>>717527442
>doesn't own a single game ever
Nah.

>>717521438
>Games crashing should be because the games are bad, not because Wine or Proton is bugging out.
That's where we are right now, the only caveat is that anti-cheats have a separate update path for each platform. So if they forget to push the updated EAC for Linux then suddenly you cant play. This recently happened with Hunt. The devs just forgot to update both branches.

>>717517029
This is total bs you retarded pajeet. People want kino to play on hardware that plays it. If your subhuman species went extinct the world would be a better place

>>717528789
You retard, don't act like you won't give your ID to Microsoft, Sony, or any other gaming company as soon as they ask.
Chances are you already do that with Google or Apple or some other tech company staffed by jeets, don't sit here and pretend now.
As soon as MS or Sony tell you to provide ID to play the latest GTA, you will do so gladly.

>>717527606
Nintendo has the only 99, a ton of 98s and 97s.
i mean, if you care SO much about metashitic scores, you have to knowledge this.

I’m not a libtard but this is unironically Trump’s fault. All this tariff autism is killing manufacturing. A couple companies I know of STILL don’t have factories set up for 2026 products. Usually this will have been done by the beginning of this year. We’re seeing such a shift away from hardware is because these companies have nowhere to make stuff without being absurdly taxed. The only way they can sell hardware is raising the price dramatically, which in turn will lead to lower sales. So they’re basically giving up on it as the main business model.
Next gen “consoles” are only going to high end showpieces for the most hardcore fans.

>>717528821
>Pirate game
Looks like I own it forever.

>>717517348
Kind of. I did like when consoles were actually unique instead of shitty locked-down PCs.

>>717528907
>You retard, don't act like you won't give your ID to Microsoft, Sony, or any other gaming company as soon as they ask.
they will require to sign in with your ID, but to do so you will use other means to actually verify that information, retard it's not like Sony has your first name, last name, dob, address, and SSN or the european equivalent
>you will do so gladly.
and there are no issues with that, if they already have all my info then I won't have problems with this one-time proccess

>>717528821
It amazes me that there are still people on /v/ who don't own a PC yet. Like are you guys 12 or something?

>>717529083
>they will require to sign in with your ID, but to do so you will use other means to actually verify that information
And that means will be handled by some other third party company that you know even less about than Sony or MS, and that company will also sell your data.
>and there are no issues with that
You should be scalped.

>>717518512
No, Mr Schwab's kike investment says so

>>717516819 (OP)
Who cares? I only play on pc like all real gamers

>>717524268
Proud to serve in the Defeated but unvanquished SEGA army, briefly doing merc job with PS1 in the 90s, then in the Xbox zogbot machine army like a goy, I regret nothing

>>717527696
>That's not going to happen
Like I said with the other guy, I understand it's not realistic, but if you want to present it as a console experience that has to be done. If a person wants to buy something, anything off your store then it should be playable on that platform. I know this is an example from years ago but it's just something I could think of off the top of my head I recalled having issues. I know they're fixed now.
https://www.protondb.com/app/1190460?device=steamDeck
In the example I'm talking about anything listed here shouldn't exist as issues. Like, straight up, that's the kind of thing I mean. Again, I know this is fixed and it's got a Verified badge now.
>If they don't venture outside of the green checkmark fully certified games, that is basically what they get
But not everything is verified and maybe something they buy isn't verified. Maybe some kid wants to buy Minecraft Legends
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1928870/Minecraft_Legends/
https://www.protondb.com/app/1928870
Well now they need to jump through hoops.
>Next-gen SteamOS systems will probably see improvements both to the QA, and to how that QA status gets presented.
I think they're doing a great job as it is, maybe have the compatibility enabled by default and make the ProtonDB plugin from DL native, it's just that when I think of it from some random kid or dudebro buying it I think they'd be incredibly frustrated.
>If you ignore the need to present backwards compatible titles.
True, it's an unfair comparison for the Steam Deck, but to an average person they won't have the context for any of this and get pissed when they bought something for $500 and it doesn't work properly. If you forcibly filter them out of stuff not verified then they get pissed they can't find games.

>>717528897
>That's where we are right now
Not with all games, just most of them. Like I said, Proton works miracles but not everything works right with that divine intervention.

>>717529151
>And that means will be handled by some other third party company
said third party company will have to implement the authetication proccess in accordance with laws (otherwise they get fine-raped)
besides, it's old news at this point, nobody cares
>and that company will also sell your data.
so why is it an issue if I want to play gta6 and they have been doing that for the last what... 20 years now?
>You should be scalped.
and you should be removed from Internet
you either comply and provide the ID or fuck off, any website that doesn't implmenent ID verification and monitoring mechanisms will be verbotten so say bye bye to 4cuck
no chuds in clearnet, simple as, if you can't follow simple rules and behave in a civil manner then you have no place in an Internet where everyone is confirmed human
enjoy talking to bots and pajeets instead

>>717528535
It's really a shame consolewarring turned into salesfagging. But also telling about the quality of consoles and games these days

>>717516819 (OP)

>>717529105
I game on consoles. PC is for work

>>717529427
>said third party company will have to implement the authetication proccess in accordance with laws (otherwise they get fine-raped)
Lolno, they will collect and sell your data like they're already doing.
They know that the EU, UK, and most states would prefer to be able to surveil your online habits, so they know they'll never be hit by any regulations.
>so why is it an issue if I want to play gta6 and they have been doing that for the last what... 20 years now?
Because it means you will get more scam calls, more phishing emails, more solicitations, more spam, etc. etc.
Are you retarded or just an actual child?
I don't think you've even been alive for 20 years.
Kill yourself.

>>717526293
>will run the latest AAA games with no worries or messing with settings,
so, not a pis5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipf3-Z7xt4k

>>717529569
That's what AVGN said and he's an unironic retard

>>717527431
>OH NO THEY REMOVED INCEST WEG SHITTY CASHGRABS FROM STEAM!! PC IS DEAD OH THE HORROR!
kys yourself right fucking now you stupid nigger, NIGGER.

>>717529584
>like they're already doing
so why is it an issue if everyone is ok with it?
access to content I enjoy >>>> some company reselling my data, I don't care, it's free shit
>surveil your online habits
my online habits are the same of millions of other people, it's fine
I don't have a 10TB "vacation photos" folder and I don't go to shady "vacation places" websites because I'm not mentally ill
>Because it means you will get more scam calls
I don't recall the last time I got one
>more phishing emails
AI is also used for e-mail providers to remove spam, it's very effective
>more solicitations, more spam
not a problem quite literally, just use a random throwaway account and keep all your main important stuff tied to a single private use account
>Are you retarded or just an actual child?
I'm supposed to be retarded because I refuse to fight (whatever that means in your chud head) a system that has been in place for the last 15-25 years?
snowden leaks perfectly show how the general population simply doesn't care, so why should I care, either comply or go against the grain and be disconnected from the normieInternet, your call bro
>Kill yourself.
isn't it great that I won't have to see incels like you saying that shit in 5 years tops since you will get filtered by ID verification?
subhumans like you will stick to slums of the Internet with other retards

>>717530208
>so why is it an issue if everyone is ok with it?
Consolefags are NPCs.
100% proven without a shadow of a doubt.

>>717524058
shut up boomer retard.

>>717526293
>the ps5 generation is the most profitable generation to date for sony
yeah, when they count every single console maker and the ps4.

>he falls for lies of sony.

>>717530324
>you are an NPC if you want a box that just werks and if you think having access to an Internet where everyone is a verified human (aka first worlder)
anything else?

>>717530434
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>717530482
but I didn't have breakfast this morning sar and I'm also black and trans

Before people jump on the tariff bandwagon, friendly reminder that ps6 game dev cycle was estimated to be 10+years. Both Sony and mS probably saw this as simply unsustainable and decided to go full digital.
Nintendo can get away with stuff because the majority of the games are at aa budget. Stuff like mario kart isn't being made by a thousand pajeets.

jeez, did the ps5 fail that badly

>>717519881
>losing to instant pot and peloton

>>717529584
The grass isn't going to touch itself you know