Thread 717536647

It ends just as the plot was starting to get good,what was square smoking feels like they could have had five more chapter's instead of 4?

I was half expecting some NIS thousands of HP bloat but the "hardest" fights were the demons and ninja has Matsuno ever talk about making more in this world?

I know the advance games exist but they may as well be completely different universes with all the fantasy races missing from the 1st game

Bumping for interest

>>717536647 (OP)
>has Matsuno ever talk about making more in this world?
Haha

This needs some autistic Tamriel Rebuild treatment where the community takes it upon itself to create new content

>>717538558
nta but I thought XII was directly connected to tactics?

>>717536647 (OP)
why are they like this

>>717538558
That's why I always wanted it on PC, hoping for a bigger modding community. There's so much potential.
Even just for the PSX version there are so many mods, someone even showed me a WIP remake of FF6 in the engine which is such a cool idea.

>>717538695
those aren't cat ears m8

she's literally a demon summoned from the bowls of hellfire

Ultima is the hottest bitch Yoshida ever conceived and I will not hear otherwise

>>717538747
The new remaster going to PC thought it was console exclusive?

>>717536647 (OP)
I feel like the class unlock requirements are too absurd because trying to get ramza to be a black knight made him so overleveled I killed Ultima in one turn

>>717539513
It's on PC.

>>717538962
she is a saint though. how can a saint be a demon?

Tactical RPGs were designed for emulators on the 300% speed setting

>>717539787
>Tactical RPGs were designed for emulators on the 300% speed setting
Get out

>>717539787
>playing tactics ogre reborn
>use speed boost
>it's still too slow
>use CE to make it 2x or 3x on top of that
it is now playable

you guys aren't casuals... right?

>>717539935
It's not just for the animations, it's for the menus. And this is what NIGGER game devs just don't understand.

>>717540686
It's slow because the base speed of Reborn is even slower than the base speed of previous versions of TO.

>>717538687
Iirc it's not in any serious way that matters if youve played T or not

>>717536647 (OP)
The game ended a chapter too late. Everything involving the Corpse Brigade was notably shitter to everything that came before it. All the interesting plots had ended so it was just Ramza and Pals vs. Bad Guys.

>>717540758
Wait won't that make you under leveled?

>>717538558
Fortunately final fantasy tactics has some of the most dedicated hacking scenes on the PS1 , there's hundreds of hacks that change the story , abilities and characters of the game and I'm just waiting for the remaster to come out so that one of these dudes will port all of the added dialogue cutscenes like mustadio talking to ramza at the battle where you fight Wiegraf in chapter 3

>>717541042
Gaffgarion is the most kino character though

>>717541773
I will be impressed when I see something like Tactics Ogre's elemental temples added to the game for post story content.

>>717541773
>having more than 5 dudes per battle
>completely customizable bosses
>monsters and chocobos can wear armor and weapons
>tactics advance weapon ability learning
>more than 16 fucking unit slots
>can have more than 16 units on the field without the game blowing up
>multiple endings
imagine how many more kino rom hacks we'd get if square enix didn't lose the fucking source code for the game
GOD

>>717542326
>having more than 5 dudes per battle
I don't want that, it's what makes it different
>monsters and chocobos can wear armor and weapons
Only if there are new monster weapons
>tactics advance weapon ability learning
Please no
>more than 16 fucking unit slots
Not the case since WotL

So uh what was the point of this class again? It just does shit damage for the most part and the status proc chances don't really matter past chapter 3

>>717542326
SE was never going to release the source code man, acting like them deleting the source code is somehow holding back the fanhacking scene is insane

>>717542616
geomancer sexo

>>717542616
0 mana cost, no charge time, long ass range AoE, 25% chance of status effect and you get to also wack things with a weapon
Also sex

>>717542616
>>717542683
>>717542813
What is the tactical advantage of wearing a long-sleeved shirt with no pants (and probably underwear)?

>>717542920
Less clothes = More one with nature.

>>717542616
Is that monk or geomancer?

>>717542920
Taunting defeated foes

>>717542920
easy shit flinging

>>717542920
sexooooooooooo

>>717539754
Because that's literally "him" using Ramza's sister to derive that shape from.

>>717536647 (OP)
>It ends just as the plot was starting to get good
first time playing a yasumi matsuno game?

>>717543480
He looks like that corgi dog, you know the one

>>717543130
What's it like being stupid?

>>717543357
sexo justice

>>717543617
do you think she likes to geyser herself

>>717543816
Definitely have been some misfired spells

>>717542616
making me horny (both of them)

>>717538558
Would be bussin

>>717542616
As a prerequisite for Ninja.

>>717539787
this but all rpgs

>>717544378
True. Pokemon is unbearable without speedups as well.

>>717542616
You level up in it so you can use Samurai's melee and draw skills effectively.

>>717536647 (OP)
>story full of grounded political intrigue
>suddenly ANCIENT EVIL DEMONS

Way to blow it

>>717539638
Black Knight was a PSP addition, so it wasn't in the base game, so that checks out.

>there are 30 Ivalice games
>have almost nothing to do with each other beyond a wink wink nudge nudge namedrop or reference
Why?

>>717544661
>grounded

anon they were pulling the strings of everyone's from the very beginning the marquis kidnapping was a ploy

PLEASE PLAY SWORD OF CONVALLARIA!! IT'S A GOOD GAME!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJGsmUeJZcY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT8_T6Uhbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxuLL8bVpO0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTF7zQcGdg

>>717544814
Nigga there's like 6

>>717536647 (OP)
>playing best version
This is how it should be.

>>717544814
because there's only one actual Ivalice game and the rest are just references

>>717544814
>Tactics
>Vagrant Story
>Advanced 1 & 2
>FFXII
>FFXII Revenant Wings
>FFXIV story content that isn't really set in Ivalice
What?

>>717544964
Is this a gacha or something

>>717544814
>30

anon please it's only a small handful at best that barely even feel like the same world the very first game didn't even have fantasy races they came later on for some god awful reason

>>717544661
you fight the first ancient evil demon very early in the game anon

Here's how we save the TRPG genre. Im gonna say it, alright? bear with me. And don't get mad when I say it. Here it goes
>"pick one out of three things" esque roguelite

>>717545405
>frogposter
>dumbass post
Name a more iconic duo.

>>717545405
>permadeath

>handcrafted randomly chosen levels from huge pool

>fully customize units no more SPECIAL NPC with awesome skills only they can use

>>717544964
>Free To Play
nope

>>717545405
Fuck no. Just make battle animations and movement easier to speed up. Oh and if the game has branching paths make it relatively easy to skip content you've already seen once before.
>>717545296
Fantasy races are literally from an era when Ivalice was rife with magic, hence why Tactics/Vagrant Story era is low fantasy/medieval and XII and Advanced are of the era when magic and tech was at its peak.

>>717545483
>>717545620
Have you played the Fire Emblem roguelike romhack? it's pretty fun but it has no content because it was probably made in one weekend by some guy in wooden shack in Chile before his discord where he was making the game had some drama and a power hungry tranny took over the project and then cancelled it, which is how all romhacks go

>>717545651
rent free is an understatement

>>717545974
You're the fish asking "What's water"

>>717539754
>he is a saint though.
A False Saint. The "False Prophet", if you will.
>how can a saint be a demon?
The same way high ranking priests and knights templar can be? At some point in the distant past, Ajora Glabados desired power and made a contract with Lucavi.

>>717541042
The fuck are you even talking about? The Death Corps plotline was wrapped up in Chapter 1 so I assume you're talking about the Demons manipulating the Glabados Church who were in turn orchestrating the Civil War to undermine trust in the current noble leadership so they could administer the realm as a proper theocracy. The Death Corps existed to demonstrate the critical gap between the lower class and the ruling class in the wake of the recently concluded war between Ivalice and... I wanna say Romanda? I can't recall the name. But the Death Corps were all war vets who were conscripted from the peasantry and then cast aside following the war because Ivalice was pretty much bankrupted by it. Hence the massive unrest (which the demons were taking advantage of, they feed on chaos and violence)

>>717543357
>>717543617
>Unironically using the term sexo
You must be atleast 18 years old or older to post on 4chan

>>717546117
I've made exactly 2 other posts in this thread, neither were directed at you or this line of discussion. I'm just seeing a clown and reacting to it

>>717546286
cry about it fag

what's the point of pre-ordering to get Ramza's cosmetic skins?

>>717542616
aesthetic

>>717544883
Technically the demons had very little to do with the plan to bump off Marquis Elmdor. That was all Duke Dycedarg's idea. The Glabados Church and their demonic puppetmasters didn't start acting directly until after King Denamunda's death, iirc. Their first big move we see is sending Delita to prevent Princess Ovelia's assassination (also a Larg/Dycedarg plan) so as to use her and Prince Goltana to plunge Ivalice into a full-on civil war

>>717546287
Thanks for your life story, got any other important blog posts I need to catch up on?

>>717545178
its not only a gacha, its a gacha game with weapon banners

>>717546607
>King Denamunda's
Meant Omdoria, my bad

>>717546607
it's been a minute since I've played but wasn't Dycedarg in on it? Or did he just have a stone because of happenstance

>>717544661
Church cant be evil unless theres demons involved

>>717546805
Dycedarg was given one at some point since they were aware of what he had done to his father. Hence the whole hints given to Zalbag to look at their father's grave to find out the truth.

>>717546820
you think they'd catch that in the editing phase of the script...

>>717546994
Right, thanks. the entire backhalf of the game is a bit blurry to me. should probably replay the game before the remaster comes out so I can better compare versions

>>717546537
People (idiots) like cosmetics. You also get cheater items that give you a big jp boost. Seeing as how I like the grind and don’t care cosmetics I only preordered the base version

>>717547052
You realize back then translations were not given time or access to the original writers to ask if something was supposed to be literally translated or it's an in-universe name, it's why the Knights of the Northern Sky are Hokuten in the first place.

>>717546935
But the entire reason demons were able to become involved was because the Church was corrupt to begin with.

It was due to the Glabados' plan of using the legend of the Zodiac Braves to unite the people under their banner that the Holy Stones found themselves in the hands of the very people that became Lucavi Demons. The demonic incursion was purely opportunistic; the real problems that Ivalice faced were caused by political turmoil following the recent 50 years war, and the greed and corruption of its leadership.

>>717546820
So those two cute chicks with Elmdor weren’t using death bracelets?

>>717547358
That's of course putting aside the fact that the Church was founded upon the false doctrine of Ajora being a Holy Saint. That's not really connected to the current events that unfold in the game aside from the Glabados Sect being kind of a skeezy organization in general.

So now that the dust has settled...
What the fuck were they thinking with this class?
>Can't equip weapons
>Can't equip clothes
>Can't use any secondary abilities
>No scratch that , can't use any abilities at all
>Bad base stats
>Literally hard coded so you can't change how mime works easily
I can't believe out of all the sword attack spam classes , dual wield monk tomfuckery and autistic yelling this , THIS was the class that they thought was too much for the game , and gave it literally nothing to work with
Like literally no one uses this class , not even the AI , I bet you more people used Onion knight than they used mime for anything

>>717547429
Nope. It was supposed to be "Stop Breath" as in, an attack that instantly ceases your breathing, killing you. Just one of the several fun quirks in the rather messy OG translation. I'd still take it over the newer one though, that shit is so corny it's more distracting than any number of typos.

>>717547276
I do like translating Hokuten and Nanten as the Orders of the Northern and Southern Sky respectively though. One of the few changes I liked.

>>717544320
>Gets hit by a spell once
>Fucking dies

>>717548094
How you gonna cast that spell when I already threw a Mage Masher at you though?

it's kind of funny how Elidibus in FFT just looks like a buff dude carrying a snake.

>>717536647 (OP)
such a good fucking game

>>717547682
I never got to use them before figuring out they were supposed to be unlocked weren't they broken with bards?

>>717547682
>zettai ryouiki
sexoooooooo

>>717548495
What I find the most funny about him is that in spite of (apparently) being one of the Lucavi he:
A) Is still using his human name
B) Is hiding in a cave, not causing any strife
and C) Doesn't seem to care about the Holy Angel's resurrection whatsoever

>>717536647 (OP)
>has Matsuno ever talk about making more in this world?
>Looks at FF12
Anon, I...

>>717548745
Just chillin

>>717544661
Yes the game is named Final Fantasy.

>>717548780
Has he considered making any good games in it

>>717544661
my favorite is the one that looks like oogie boogie from nightmare before christmas that I quit when I couldn't beat and was soft locked the first time I played

can you master every class per character?

>>717548903
Hahaha FUCK NO

Everything since the original release of FFT has actively made the Ivalice setting worse. With the exception of Vagrant Story

>>717538687
FFXII is the furthest point back in Ivalice's timeline.

>>717548976
all the generic classes yeah, specific story characters have unique jobs that replace Squire, like Agrias gets all her Holy Knight stuff instead. You do get all the other job skills in every category except the active skills, so Agrias will NEVER throw a rock, but she can learn counter tackle and JP up.

>>717548976
Absolutely not. Dancer and Bard are mutually exclusive based on the unit's gender. Unless later versions changed that, idk

That's not to mention the large number of unique jobs that are inaccessible to all but one or a handful of characters.

>>717549289
oh right I always forget about the dancer/bard split. Are either job worth using? I don't think I've ever played with them before

>>717548745
He has all the prerequisites for a secret recruitable character but no we just get some weird monster that just appears the moment you do the last area of midnight's deep

>>717549353
Depends on your party synergy, dancers can rek mobs by confusing them/turning them into frogs

Meanwhile bards can sing songs that give you HP/MP shell protect reraise ect

>>717549353
Eh. I mean, aside from the sharp learning curve early on (for kids that had never played a tactics rpg) the game really isn't THAT difficult so by the time you can finally make a Dancer or a Bard, you're probably stomping everything anyway.

I remember I specifically pushed to Bard to several characters for access to Move +3 (I think?) and then just ignored the class. I also vaguely recall hearing that Dancer can be overpowered and unkillable with the right build and equipment or something, but again, why bother?

>>717549353
Not really besides nameless dance but the FFT remixed romhack allows you to keep using sing/dance after you choose something else and it's really damn good

>>717542616
with good MA they feel good to play, not op or underpowered.

>>717536647 (OP)
>has Matsuno ever talk about making more in this world?
The FFT event in Lord of Vermilion III is canon to FFT and takes place after the end of the game and will likely be the setting for FFT2 if it gets made.

>>717549901
They're still really terrain dependent though aren't they? I sort of remember just having them axe smash shit. They're like the only class I can recall that specializes in equipping axes.

>>717550279
QRD?

>>717550785
Ordallia was the country Ivalice was at war with during the Fifty Years' War.

Best FFT battle theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGnOt2jOI8w

>>717550785
>new & old

So lizards are in

>>717550960
Right, it was Ordalia not Romanda. Couldn't remember the name for the life of me.

>>717550785
>Ramza is still alive
Mehh. I've always believed it made more narrative sense if he didn't somehow survive the massive map destroying nuke in the depths of the underworld from which there was no escape. But if he really did magically get back out and "go into hiding" (by riding past his own grave on the day of his own funeral only to vanish) at least in this scenario he hasn't suddenly given up on fighting for the little guy (thus undoing all of his character development since the end of Chp 1)

Maybe it might explain why he left Olan to be burned at the stake among other things.

>>717545296
Only two of those games are any good.

>>717551361
Ramza and his entire crew were wanted criminals in Ivalice. It makes sense for him to go to a neighboring country.

>>717549110
>Vagrant Story
I tried that game once as a kid and didn't like the combat, so I let a friend borrow it. He swore that I would love it if I gave it chance after he beat it so I let someone else borrow it and they said the same thing. I still haven't given it a second chance.

>>717551534
I guess. But he was a wanted criminal in Ivalice since the end of Chapter 2 that didn't stop him from trying to do what he believed was right, and fighting the injustice right in front of him. Maybe with the civil war over and the church thwarted there's nothing more to do there, but... I dunno.

I can overlook showing up to his own funeral and refusing to speak to Olan and then vanishing into thin air. I can overlook even Orlandu not telling Olan what's going on. I can even headcanon that the Holy Stones that Ramza gathered produced a miracle that saved everyone. What worries me is that Ramza's story felt complete, and was really good for what it already was. I worry that narratively speaking, dragging it out further instead of letting it end on the note it did won't really add anything meaningful to his arc and will just drag down the original plot.

So is this even still being narrated from the perspective of Alazlam, a historian that existed long after Ramza and Delita were dead one way or another?

>>717552303
Probably, the Durai reports were only just released for Alazlam to corroborate the official story with Delita's and the Church's approval. And there's nothing to say that Ramza could have died, literally the narrative focus for Tactics is in regards to the War of the Lions and what was the "secret" that led to its eventual end and the rise of the Hero King.

>>717552497
>And there's nothing to say that Ramza could have died
I would say the entire sequence of events from him chasing Vormav into the underworld and Rofel destroying the only portal out, and then getting hit point blank by the biggest explosion in the entire game might suggest that Ramza didn't really come away from all that unscathed but, whatever.

>the Durai reports were only just released for Alazlam to corroborate the official story with Delita's and the Church's approval
Are you saying that Delita was still alive in Alazlam's time? News to me. I thought he was a historian working from old texts, not to corroborate the official story, but to challenge it in the modern day.

>>717551807
You really should hunt down a copy & give it another go it's great

>>717552303
>I guess. But he was a wanted criminal in Ivalice since the end of Chapter 2 that didn't stop him from trying to do what he believed was right, and fighting the injustice right in front of him. Maybe with the civil war over and the church thwarted there's nothing more to do there, but... I dunno.
Ramza still had a job to do in chapter 2, especially since his family was involved in the corruption and demonic forced. By the end of the game there is nothing left for him in Ivalice. Him and his whole crew would be hunted down wherever he went. He had no family besides Alma, he had no nobility anymore, as far as everyone in Ivalice is considered he is a disgraced murderer who killed a cardinal in cold blood. Even if the truth was hidden he still accomplished his mission and that was good enough for him.

>>717547682
>fox

>some kind of bird?????

>>717547682
>>717548607
Mime is broken with Bards and Dancers also Summoner and Samurai, they’re decent if you know how to abuse them

>>717540758
>challenging

>enemy roster exactly the same

Kek

>>717553910
Read this and imagined Olan choking on his final, frantic breaths as he died from Church sanctioned smoke inhalation. Ivalice may have still had some bad actors in high places. But Ramza and Orlandu had done enough, I suppose. You're on your own, Astrology boy.

But really that's all beside the point. Like I said I can easily rationalize away any problems presented but the real issue is dragging out a good story until it turns into a worse one. Tale as old as tales are.

>>717553357
I didn't imply that, I'm saying the official story that only knows Delita's and the Church's side of the story, hence why we only find out about the Church's role in this from the Durai report, and Delita has a vested interest in keeping Ramza and Alma from being brought to the forefront of HIS ascension to the throne.

>>717554748
Maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't there an added scene in the PSP version that clearly shown him alive drawing his sword against thugs that were mugging some random NPC?

>>717536647 (OP)
>has Matsuno ever talk about making more in this world?
there was talk of interest in a sequel at some point, in another continent involving Ramza and his group, the impact that eventually results in Delita's forces from the old continent getting involved

Doubt it'll ever see the light of day, but it'd be nice.
It's somewhat setup in another game:
----
According to the Final Fantasy Tactics collaboration in Lord of Vermilion III, which Matsuno says is canon, a few years after the ending of Final Fantasy Tactics, Ramza is still with his comrades, and in fact the group has grown even larger. The group is in Ordallia and helping out a resistance movement that opposes the country's oppressive regime. In this setting, there are rumors that as king of Ivalice, Delita is considering sending troops to Ordallia to help quash this resistance, and Ramza is prepared to oppose Delita once again in order to protect his friends, both new and old. While it is doubtful that the king himself would come to Ordallia, this nevertheless would put the two former friends on opposite sides once again.

For those who don’t know, Ordallia actually plays a significant role in the events leading up to the war of the lions.

>>717551000
I want more FFT games. It's not fair

>>717554837
Sorry, I got confused when you said that the Durai Report was released with Delita and the Church's approval so Alazlam could corroborate the official account. Corroborate in this case meaning, to prove it accurate. Whereas in my recollection Alazlam was doing the opposite of corroborating the official story in his quest to uncover "historical truth"

>Delita has a vested interest in keeping Ramza and Alma from being brought to the forefront of HIS ascension to the throne.
Also I still think that by the time Alazlam is researching this and making it public, that Delita's time has long since passed. So he doesn't have vested interests in anything anymore.

I got the impression that the events Alazlam was looking into were NOT recent events, but shit that happened many, many years in the past. Hence the focus on the word history.

>>717546820
lol golden sun has the same breath mistranslation

>>717554916
I don't recall. In the PSX version, directly following the enormous blast Altima hit everything with upon being defeated, we see Olan and Balmafula attending what appears to be a funeral for Ramza and Alma. They lament that they haven't even a corpse to bury in the plot, and moments later we see what appears to be Ramza and Alma riding chocobos. Olan tries to chase them down but they disappear somewhere and Olan goes on to research and document what really happened during the Lion War. I found this to be ambiguous enough, others disagreed, apparently Matsuno decided at some point that Ramza's adventures continued. And looking at how this setting has been handled since the late 90s you can consider that either a good or a bad thing.

>>717551000
This song playing on Thieves' Fort, with the sound of rain in the background, is just too good.

Here are my top 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7W5zevSY-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZXW8haxNoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFRi8H_S6UU

>>717554748
If anything that's an indictment of Orran's stupidity for trying to expose the truth despite having no one backing him and knowing the church would be against him. He's like a raving lunatic ranting on the streets about how he knows The Truth™ spouting blasphemy.
>Ivalice may have still had some bad actors in high places
And what would Ramza or Orlandeau do? Murder them and add to the legitimacy of their heresy? All involved in the Lucavi plot were already dead, as far as the church knew Ajora was still a saint.

>>717555293
The events of FFT take place 400 years before Arazlam's time.

>>717555116
Sweater puppies

>>717536647 (OP)
Never understood why fags wanked FFT's story so hard. Nothing of particular interest happens throughout. its carried by the gameplay
>Ramza is a generic good guy who always does the 'right' thing
>The setting's politics are generic notEurope where elites seek power above all else
>Antagonist is generic notJesus combined with notDevilman

>>717543130
>monk
>bad
I know this board is unintentionally bad at game, but jesus FUCK

>>717550785
Good, the "Ramza is dead" tards finally BTFO. How the fuck is Ramza dead when we see him riding the chocobo, you fuckin tards?

>>717555975
aren't those supposed to be big

>>717538687
Okay so FFT takes place on the same world as FFXII but an unknown amount of time in the future, after the Occuria relinquish their grip on history and let Humes do whatever they like.
Naturally, they fuck everything up and get manipulated by the Lucavi, which were actually just the Scions of Darkness that each originally had an assigned purpose in the cosmology of the world, but did a Luciferian rebellion against their creators. They were sealed away across the face of the world, but in XII you release them for power boosts and thus inevitably doom the world in the long run because their opposites have all fucked off and without the Occuria there is nothing to counterbalance them. They can keep trying over and over again to break the wheel and there's not really anything anybody can do to solve the problem in any sort of permanent fashion, since the methods with which they were sealed went with the Occuria when they left.

Gerun was RIGHT.

>>717550785
what is it with FF reversing deaths from the main game in shitty spinoffs

>>717555994
it's just a comfy game

>>717536647 (OP)
Altima is hot

>>717550785
He has stated this on his twitter as well, but in a coy manner. Saying stuff like "the story you playthrough is based on the Durai papers. Written by Ramza's friend Orlan. Orlan would want to protect his friend". Or something like that.

>>717556486
There were no death reversed in FFT

>>717549110
if you think vagrant story is any where near as good as ff12 you're insane

>>717555904
>And what would Ramza or Orlandeau do? Murder them and add to the legitimacy of their heresy?
More like expose them for the sake of the people of Ivalice sooo the same shit they were doing before getting trapped in the underworld. Ramza's goal wasn't just to save his sister but also expose the truth behind the plot and confront the ones orchestrating it. If the people were still laboring under corrupt leadership, there's no reason to think that Ramza would run away (again) after swearing during Chapter 2 that he'd never turn a blind eye.

It's character regression if he did what he said he wouldn't do anymore, and ran. Unless I'm given a more compelling reason than, "people don't like him"

>>717555904
I figured that was the case. Hence why
>the Durai reports were only just released for Alazlam to corroborate the official story with Delita's and the Church's approval
is rather confusing to me. Delita should be long dead and have nothing to do with Alazlam.

>>717556835
Vagrant Story was mechanically rather janky, but in terms of writing and presentation it was far more interesting than FF12 yes. FF12's writing was a mess

>>717557030
Why doesn't he wear a shirt

>>717556835
it's much better lol

>>717539787
>Press down.
>Go down ten options in the menu

>>717557030
Reks should have been the main protagonist instead of Ashe

>>717557106
Shirts and pants are tools of oppression foisted on us by feminists

>>717557106
The storyline hinges upon Vaan and his lack of a shirt. It's what ties everything together.

>>717557320
Vaan was the protagonist for some reason.

>>717556874
>More like expose them for the sake of the people of Ivalice sooo the same shit they were doing before getting trapped in the underworld
Expose them with what evidence? The Germonique Scriptures are gone. Everyone involved in the Lucavi plot is dead so they can't corroborate anything. It's irrefutable that Ramza murdered the Cardinal, the second in command of the church, why would anyone believe his word when there is no evidence?

>>717557603
I fail to see why that would stop him from trying. It sure didn't stop Olan. But then you did just call him a moron for not giving up on this, like Ramza apparently did. Honestly it sounds like he should have just listened to Dycedarg and fell in line, all it got him was a murder accusation, a brawl with some demons and he just wound up running away again in the end anyway.

>>717555994
The bar for vidya writing is incredibly fucking low and gamers in general don't like anything above the level of FFT

final fantasy tactics was just a rehash of tacics ogre, including demons suddenly appearing at the end as the final boss. ramza is just chaos route denam while delita is law route lord ending denam.

>>717557979
99.9% of books are slop too. It’s not like vidya writing is uniquely worse

>>717558142
If that's true than Tactics Ogre was in desperate need of a rehash. Because FFT blows it out of the water. I've played both games several times and I can barely remember a large portion of LUCT and that which I do recall it's because I found those parts irritating. Like the weird multiple personalities Vyse thing, or Catiua being generally insufferable

>>717555994
Confirmed missing major plot points m8

>generic good guy


He literally starts the first mission as disgraced knight with Gagraf

>>717539787
That's how I feel too. The animations and movement is just so ungodly slow, even though it's an amazing game. Playing Vagrant Story this shit is ridiculous too

>>717558217
>It’s not like vidya writing is uniquely worse
It absolutely is, games (almost) never ask hard questions and the ones that do are instantly accused of being pretentious.

>>717557106
he lives in a desert anon

>>717558343
Not him but that's not because of a moral failing on Ramza's part, that's because Ramza is a bastard half brother who's too pure for his corrupt siblings who believe commoners are below nobility and is consequently estranged.

>>717558343
>Gagraf
Read this as Giraffe and had a good laugh

>>717558616
Bold of you to assume Zalbag held his own beliefs. He generally let Dycedarg do that for him.

>>717558324
it's like an improved telling of the chaos route which was kind of underwhelming in tactics ogre.

>>717558343
If you think that makes him not a good guy then it explains why morons love FFT's story so much.

>>717542549
Fuck off autist, it's an sp game. No one cares how you want to play

>>717538747
>That's why I always wanted it on PC, hoping for a bigger modding community. There's so much potential.
Me too but I wouldn't expect too much. Square Enix ports aren't known to be very moddable.
Balance mods, extra content like new classes and enemies and even modified missions and dialogue are doable (even on the PSX version). But actually making a real, genuine new campaign is most likely going to be a pain the ass.


One of their games I hoped to see tons of mods was Chrono Trigger, but despite having a PC port nowadays, the fucking SNES version still has more mods (romhacks).

>>717558691
Zalbaag is the one who orders Algus to fire on Teta, he comes around by the end of the game but he only takes issue with Dycedarg when he's revealed to be part of the zodiac conspiracy

>>717557502
vaan was the protagonist because square thought people wouldnt play a FF game with a gruff middle aged guy like basch as protagonist and they needed a character who was largely ignorant about the outside world to serve as someone to dump exposition on for the player to understand shit
all they needed to do was give him a shirt like he had in FFTA2

>>717559075
>Square Enix ports aren't known to be very moddable.
I'm pretty sure that all the FF ports have mods.

>>717551807
>Vagrant Story

Hated the game's combat. Damage felt so low. Chaining infinite hits for +2 damage over the last attack with a full affinity weapon felt really, really stupid.

Still beat the game. Hated the combat system.

>>717558725
For me, LUCT felt like it got lost in the weeds. More convoluted =/= better. FFT was more focused and streamlined in its storytelling, which allowed its cast and events to be more memorable. The framing device of the story being told from the perspective of a historian putting together what really happened back then is also very good. It all paints a very clear and compelling picture.

As a complete package, LUCT feels extremely rough compared to FFT and its multiple routes and inconsistent characterizations are distractions. Looking back it feels all over the place, and most of its cast was very flat.

>>717559387
I heard about that too, and I still think it was a mistake on their part. I think FF12 makes a lot of odd choices like that, so I can't call myself a big fan

>>717536647 (OP)
For WOTLfags, has anyone experimented with making Balthier an Archer? I only just now realized that Barrage probably fixes the main problem I have with the class, which is
>fire 1 arrow
>middling damage if it hits, unless you proc a spell with the elemental bows
>pretty solid chance of missing most of the time anyway, due to accuracy loss from hitting a front-facing enemy (and if it's dark (and if it's raining (holy FUCK why did the devs hate this class so much)))

>>717559104
I recall Zalbag sounding unhappy about having to give that order. Something along the lines of telling Algus to, "Go on! Do it!" But maybe it's different in the PSP "War of the Yon Large Feline that verily doth Roar forsooth"

This along with the way he reacts to Dycedarg's killing of Prince Larg among other things leads me to the conclusion that Zalbag was a beta who typically followed his brother's orders, and finding out about the poisoning plot was the last straw that lead him to finally grow a fuckin' spine.

>>717536647 (OP)
>orlandu
didn't beat the game

>>717540686
3x is good for regular play, more than that I found it a bit hard to control. For auto you can go as high as your computer can handle. I settled on 6x since it didn't seem to be going much faster.

>>717560006
I play with turbo while CE is boosting it by another 3x lol, so is that like 9x? Sometimes it's too much so I lower it to 2x though.

>>717559949
You’re headcanoning your own interpretation, the entire point of that scene is that Zalbaag is willing to simply shoot through his adopted sister to put down an utterly irrelevant rebellion on its last legs, proving that Algus was right about the nobles not giving a damn about commoners.

>>717557906
>I fail to see why that would stop him from trying.

>wanted for murdering the Cardinal
>have absolutely zero evidence to exonerate yourself
>the entire country wants you dead
>zero friends of family left
>"hurr durr why didnt he just stay and try?????"

>It sure didn't stop Olan.
And he died for it because he was retarded and had zero support or evidence to prove his point.

>>717559914
doesn't archer have a subskill that gives 100% accuracy?

>>717560224
>You’re headcanoning your own interpretation
I'm at least citing specific events and dialog to support my view of the character. If you have a problem with it, you can do the same. As it stands, it seems to me you see each of these events in a vacuum and can't put things together.

And that rebellion was far from irrelevant, considering how it was being twisted to Larg's (and Dycedarg's) ends. It's also no accident that the Church took in the leader of that irrelevant rebellion and made him party to their plot to undermine the noble's influence.

>>717560273
>and he died for it
So Ramza wasn't willing to die to expose wrongdoings. Makes sense.

FFT is the better game but LUCT has the better soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MK66sEqtJU

>>717560428
Concentration, yeah

>>717560606
I bounced off of FFT like 5 times but Tactics Ogre Reborn had me hooked immediately and a good part of it is the OST.

>>717560606
I like FFT's ost way more.

It's a little sad to me that everyone talks up LUCT but no one ever brings up Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen. I loved that game. I know it's a different style, but still, it deserves more recognition

>>717559914
>holy FUCK why did the devs hate this class so much
I always got this vague vibe that the Archers were designed more as an enemy class that you could also coincidentally use, they're probably my least-used job that isn't the ultra weird stuff like Mime

>>717560869
I'm planning to play it next. The Ogre series is the last big SRPG series I haven't experienced most of. I played Reborn on a whim since I didn't even know it existed and loved it so now I want to go back to the roots.

>>717560605
You keep saying "expose" without actually being able to do any exposing.

>>717559992
Qrd, what's wrong with em?

>>717561203
Would you prefer the word "pursue" then? Glad we've arrived at the pure semantics phase of this discussion, that's always my favorite part of pointless internet debates. I sadly have to leave so this'll be my last post for a while, so I'll get to the point and leave it at that:

If Olan didn't feel the need to turn his back on this and put his life on the line, I can't see Ramza turning his back at that point as anything more than character regression. Given his declaration in Chapter 2 that he wouldn't run away anymore, when offered to return to Igros and stop sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. But him refusing to speak with Olan and bailing at the end of the game is supposed to make sense to me? Retarded.

You see, beyond quibbling over small details, my real concern is themes and character consistency. This inane back and forth has no value because instead of talking about how any of this fits the overarching plot we're beating off some dumb hypothetical that dances around the real issue, which is that Ramza's story deserves to end on a less wishy washy note and dragging it out into a sequel would only muddy it further


>>717561741
He's saying that Orlandu is an overpowered as fuck unit that trivializes all battles in the late game. But I think the late game is trivial even without Holy Swordskill and Night Sword, braindead powerful though they are

>decades later faggots still try to say Ram died
Bruh what do you guys not understand that what you're watching at the end of the game is a manipulation of information on how Ramza died.
>nooo there is no way our King's childhood friend could come back from the dead to rebel against our King. He 100% died.

this is like historical manipulation 101.

Peace under Delita is better than exposing him. The last thing the country needs is ANOTHER civil war.

>>717560869
Why is he so small

>>717560606
TO is better in every single way except leveling and skill leveling.I struggle to think of a single other thing FFT does better than TO besides being smaller and easier. Maybe missions because it gives some characters something to do I guess. Story, characters, maps, content, gameplay, etc. TO is better

>>717562206
Though if the gossip at the end of the story is to be believed. Delita supporting the opposing countries oppression of their people seems to imply he is already falling into the bureaucracy or hypocrisy that is being a ruler.
>I must purposefully oppress the people so that they don't rebel and start another war that causes more suffering
He does believe the ends justify the means after all.

>>717562050
>Bruh what do you guys not understand that what you're watching at the end of the game is a manipulation of information on how Ramza died.
That's a new one. So rather than burying Ramza's significance and erasing his role in history, what we experience at the end of the game is the lie that... Ramza went to hell and fought a demonic incarnation of St. Ajora and a Bloody Angel and died in a massive fuckoff explosion? THAT'S the manipulation of information about Ramza's death?

Man, Alazlam and Olan have some explaining to do.

>>717562317
Because he constantly reloaded in the Soldier's Office until he got the best stats.

>>717561892
you have to work up a unit and have knowledge to make a broken character
orlandu comes with a whole kit

>>717562357
TO is such a convoluted mess that there's 3 different versions now that all play vastly differently from each other. FFT, WotL and Ivalice Chronicles meanwhile are still going to be mostly the same game with some minor differences between each.

>>717561892
>Would you prefer the word "pursue" then?
Pursue what? You don't seem to understand that there is ZERO evidence left that would change anything.

>If Olan didn't feel the need to turn his back on this and put his life on the line
Orran was a retard who didn't think before he acted. Ramza didn't give a FUCK about clearing his name. You keep trying to act as if Orran was some unsung hero or some shit when the reality is he had a childish view of heroism and died for it.

>>717562575
4 if you count the fan mod of LUCT that's supposedly really good.

>>717538687
Basically you remember that scene where you fight on a graveyard of airships in FF Tactics? That's the remains of the period of Ivalice FF Tactics took place in, I believe.

Revenant Wings takes place after XII.

I've been told Vagrant Story takes place in the Ivalice setting but I'm not sure where it's supposed to land in the timeline.

Anything else?

Pretty sure FFTA is only set in Ivalice for the marketing but its existence basically would break the timeline so I think it's more like "made up Ivalice as seen through the eyes of a child" whereas as FFTA2 is just bad and no one wants to even think of where it should fit in.

>>717539513
It's on Steam now, I wishlisted it.

>>717562407
Loosely, Ramza was branded a heretic, so the idea that he would be working around or with the enemies of the kingdom is entirely believable from historical text.
Ramza's family was incredibly powerful after all and one of the only families that could credibly make claim to land or possibly even the throne if he rallied the people to him.

So
>Ramza was sent to hell where he could never escape EVER and died lol
Isn't out of character for theological persecuting types to push as a narrative.

What we know though is that the report itself states that Ramza clearly survived and that they could not talk to him because at his own funeral to acknowledge him would be to put a death sentence to him.
He came to his own funeral, to see his lands, and his friends once last time, and he left now "nameless".
The argument that Ramza died is only half truth, because historically he did die and he was buried.

We are only given a small document which is the entire story of FF Tactics that says otherwise
>A blond haired warrior and a small woman showed up to the funeral, they were nameless, they did not stay long and rode off shortly after
This is all the report says because this is what WE see and infer from the ending of the game.

As far as we are aware, Ramza and his sister talked to all their friends and stayed for a long time, but the report says otherwise. Because it's the safety of all people that Ramza not be named less they all be named traitors.

>>717560606
Sex with Deneb and Alma dressed as a Geomancer at the same time

Played FFT when I was younger. I got filtered so hard that I've never touched about tactics game ever again. Love the idea of the job system and Lord knows that art style is so pretty but damn, I do not have the intelligence to play this shit.

>>717562407
>>717563012
and to continue, please remember that the one dude Orran(?) was literally named a traitor heretic for these very documents.
So no he would not just name a bunch of co-conspirators who would be meeting Ramza at his own funeral.
Because the church if they found those documents would hunt all of those people also to silence them.
Everyone who is directly named left with Ramza and his sister on their journey, because they were all traitor heretics to the crown.

just because you want to write the correct history doesn't mean you also accidentally throw everyone under the bus also when these people still live in Ivalice.

>>717542616
This class had the coolest concept, it was just a but undertuned compared to more powerful options. I think this job should be a mainstay in the FF series. I made it work by combining it with monk. Did quite well throughout the game despite there being stronger options.

>>717542813
The flaw of the Geomancer design is that they're wearing shoes/boots. They should have to be in touch with the ground they're drawing from. I believe Geomancer should be barefoot for lore reasons.

>>717563361
>The flaw of the Geomancer design is that they're wearing shoes/boots.
you just don't get it
pic unrelated

>>717543587
First time I ever beat the game was with Monk Ramza. Some of those boss fights you hear people complain about I just kited the boss around charging up my monk punch and then slammed the bosses in the with a 999 fuck off punch.

>>717544661
It was fine shut up.

>>717544964
Looks like a gatcha game.

>>717545296
Still have them all as much as I dislike TA and TA2. XII Tactics and Vagrant Story are awesome. I'm wishy washy on Revenant wings.

>>717563460
Barefoot Geomancer is superior.

I stand by that it should be a mainstay FF class and its abilities expanded. In fact: Formal Request for Geomancer childhood friend party member and obvious romantic choice for the hero in FFXVII.

>>717563460
Why'd it turn her into an elf tho?

>>717563601
I like elves

>>717563620
Just fuck a human. It's the same thing except they haven't been run through by 10,000 orcs when she was captured and turned into an orc breeding vessel for the last fifty years.

>>717563556
I wonder what kind of game FF17 will be. Or if it will even come out.

>>717563707
It's platonic.

>>717536647 (OP)
As great as the original FFT is, FF16 basically convinced me that modern Square should never be allowed to make a proper followup.

My gods playing FF16 for the first time felt like a retelling of FFT told by a grade schooler. It really is that poor of a story (albeit with a handful of cool moments).

>>717560869
ogre battle 64 is even more underrated. it wasn't made by matsuno but it's still great and improves on every aspect of the original. it's one of the top 5 n64 games in general but no one knows about it.

>>717564051
That's because no one could figure out how they were supposed to hold an N64 controller so everyone just bought a Playstation instead.

Midnight bump

>>717562357
>being smaller and easier
that's exactly it for people that prefer FFT, it's because they have issues digesting things which means pacing is way more important to them than it is to most people

>>717550785
>sword of vermillion

>only ever released in Japan

Why!?

>>717565792
Because it's an arcade game

>>717544661
nigga you fight monsters almost immediately
zodiac stones as a plot device was very based. they basically acted as behelits/forbidden power and that's cool as hell

>>717566318
This seems to just be a template shitpost for the matsuno games, you can kind of tell it's the same people that say it every time too

>>717562050
anon we literally see the explosion wreck the ship they are on,no way they come out alive unless they got teleported by some fluke

>>717556486
there would be no narrative purpose to him seeing "ghosts". use your brain, anon

>>717566675
>unless they got teleported by some fluke
A fluke like having 12 magical stones?

>>717566675
You realize that's a fucking crashed airship there right? There's no indication that it's flying or if it's a regular ship that it's in the water.

>>717536647 (OP)
ive played through this game roughly 5 times, but somehow i encountered a fight in the main story that i had only needed to do once.
the fight was way harder than any other, and i cant seem to find it again.

it has a big gap in the middle, so getting from one side to the other was difficult.
it has a bunch of fast acting 3 headed dragons.
each dragon hits you 3 times. each hit was nearly 90-99% of my max hp, dealing nearly 3 times my max hp in dmg per turn.
only cid with auto haste, ramzas speed increase to him and many re-attempts, was i finally able to get lucky and win, to progress to the final battle.

but in every playthrough since, ive never encountered this fight again. anyone know what triggers it?

>>717556396
Allegedly its in a very far future, like what megaman classic is to megaman legends, thats why there are so many airship graveyards around, you can see airships in advance 2 and ffxii, and apparently all the other races went extinct i guess, moogles can appear as summons in fft at least

>>717566675
you didn't read the rest of my post.
or make an attempt to understand any of them.

Ramza is dead, historically he died.
Because that is the claim The King and The Church have made.
The person at the end of the game is no longer Ramza, it is just a man and his sister. Who have no names because they cannot use their names any more.
Those names belong to dead people.

>>717566675
The game ends after the explosion with Ramza and his Sister riding off on a Chocobo you dumb shit.

Why did she do it anons?

>>717563890
I feel like Ivalice is dead forever since FF16 flopped.

>>717567815
Because he used her and forced her into being his wife and likely raped her on the wedding night.

>>717567815
more like why didn't i get to do it

>>717568295
Ivalice doesn't need to be alive, we have the good Ivalice games already. Square just need to let good creators make good games again.

>>717568315
Delita unironically loved Ovelia.

>>717568364
>Ivalice doesn't need to be alive,
It lives in my heart.

>>717567815
I'm pretty sure Matsuno confirmed that she didn't manage to kill herself here.
Which makes it, weirdly, even more sad, that she coudln't even take control and end herself.

>>717568763
I'm not sure, "I love you" works when you're using a person and forcing them to do your bidding.

>>717568967
The whole point of the ending is Delita got what he wanted but lost love due to Ovelia not trusting him anymore while Ramza lost everything but still had love.

>>717568836
That makes no sense, why would Delita let her live if he stabbed her. If you stab someone you intend for them to die.

>>717569135
>That makes no sense, why would Delita let her live if he stabbed her.
>>717568763

>played 100 hours of tactics ogre and got winged boots/rings for everyone
>still never finished the hanging gardens

>>717569239
Reading this has made me hate the game just a little bit more. We had absolutely no indication Delita loved her and that him stabbing her right after she said he was going to makes complete sense given all he's done to get to that point.

Delita gained everything at the cost of whatever the fuck - but love absolutely wasn't something he lost. Fucking hell.

>>717569239
can we address Matsuno's love of brocons? What the fuck is his problem

>>717569135
I can tell you're sheltered or young or sheltered and young.

You see a lot of dudes not get stuff like this when they see some girl they like stay with a dude that fucked up and hit her once (not repeatedly over many years, just one). Sometimes shit just happens. Sometimes you just react. You can see it in the guys having a fight in highschool and a girl tries to break it up and gets hit by a backswing. Delita got stabbed. He stabbed her back. It was an in the moment reaction. It's not something you think about. It's not something you plan for. If he really loved her he probably regretted it the moment his normal common sense came back after the adrenaline rush of being stabbed that resulted in him stabbing her back.

People are animals. They have reflexes both physical and mental. Sometimes you lash out unintentionally, and that can happen to anyone, even those with discipline, because no one is on top of it 100% of the time all day every day for every single year of their life.

Sometimes you have a bad day. Sometimes you have a bad moment. Sometimes the situation is bad.

Go out and get some damn life experience.

>>717569514
That's all of Japan. It's the purest form of love.

>>717569419
Delita always loved Ovelia. She was the one character he never lied to or betrayed.

>>717569394
I did everything other than the Hanged Gardens and the final Coda battle. I just deleted the game off my hard drive because I know I was never gonna finish them. All the post-game stuff is way too grindy, I think it might be fun if you do some restrictions but even then it should still be pretty easy.

>>717569554
He forced her to go with him against her will, though. Is that really something you would do to someone you love?

>>717569126
Like I said. I don't think I love you works in that situation. If you really love a person you don't do that shit to them. You don't use them for your own ends. You don't manipulate them for your own ends. You don't force them to do shit they don't want to do.

And no matter how much he thought he loved her, after all that, that doesn't mean she loved him. Which goes back to the original question: "Why did she do it?" >>717567815 because he used forced and manipulated her. It doesn't matter if he thought he loved her, she felt used manipulated and forced by a man she had come to see as a monster by that point.

>>717568315
She's a princess. Being married off to some ugly bastard for political benefits is a normal life for a princess.
And Delita treats her really well, she should've been grateful.

>>717569554
>never lied to or betrayed her
Pay attention to the story. She was not okay with any of it at any point along the way.

>>717569667
You don't use manipulate and force people you treat well. Go get isekaid into a weak woman body and get treated like that. You'll be stabbing the fucker within a year. Don't lie. Everyone always wants to think dumb shit. Actually put yourself in her shoes, not yours, not delitas. There's a reason Matsuno is a great writer. He could get in both character's shoes. He understands both perspectives. He understands Delita's warped love. He also understands why she'd stab his ass.

>>717569592
He saved her repeatedly throughout the game. She would have died at various points if it wasn't for him. She had plenty of autonomy to do what she wanted but she knew that doing what she wanted would kill her so she went with him.

>>717569618
>that doesn't mean she loved him
No shit. Never said she did.
>"Why did she do it?"
Because she's retarded. Him manipulating other people is irrelevant. He never once mistreated her. You could argue that since he betrayed everyone else that she thinks that he would betray her as well but he didn't.

>>717569708
>She was not okay with any of it at any point along the way.
Irrelevant to the point that he never lied to her or betray her.

>>717559735
Anon pls, what you described is a brute force way to play. The game is actually great in that that even this strategy is perfectly viable, but there are a lot more bullshit you can do in it.

>>717570026
>look up speedrun
>it's just people comboing everything to death exactly like the other anon described
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess this game doesn't have much depth.

>>717570213
>it's just people comboing everything to death exactly like the other anon described
If this was a TAS video, good luck doing this in game.
>I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess this game doesn't have much depth
You wouldn't be entirely wrong as combat design makes some things like guarding and attack magic pretty useless. And enemy type affinity is a mechanic largely ignored by most players, I think.
Nevertheless there are a lot more useful options in your arenal than simply playing a rhythm game.

>>717569802
>You don't use manipulate and force people you treat well.
Why not? "Forcing" and "manipulating" are not as big of deal as you make it out.
Like I've said "being forced" is a life of princess. She knew from the childhood that eventually she would have to marry a man she doesn't love for the sake of the country. It's not fair yes, but realistically Delita is the best she could've hoped for.
As for "being manipulated" it's pretty much a moot point because it's not like she was tricked into doing something nasty or anything. Delita was mostly honest and respectful towards Ovelia.

>>717567815
the circumstances surrounding her ascension and Delita's scheming turned her into a paranoid schizophrenic

did fft have any interesting post game stuff besides the worse version of palace of the dead?

Tactics ogre > fft

>>717571725
>FFXIV Ramza
Cursed image

>>717573541
>kill these innocent people
>no
>you are now on the evil route
wow

so subversive

>>717570908

Ovelia wasn't a bitchass, it's that simple

>>717542326
>weapon ability learning

>>717548745
Considering the Zodiac Brave story was about 12 stones Elidibus was either the unwanted 13th stone or there are other magical stones and this dude found one and just chills deep underground.

>>717548976
To add: you can't master Summoner unless an optional boss uses the secret summon on you and you live.
And considering you can only bring 5, maybe 4 because of Byblos, people with you to fight him there's a hard limit to how many people can master Summoner.

The addition of fantasy races to the world of Ivalice was stupid and added nothing to the world building or stories.
Except for the Viera, who are just sexy humens wearing stilletos and bunny ears.

>>717575384
Right, she was a dumbass instead.

>>717562206
How about a revolution?

>>717566973
Sounds like the 2nd fight you have with Barich, the magic-gun wielder of the Templars.
But that's mandatory.

>>717559914
A buffed Charge command fixed Archer's issue for me. They act like Lancers now where you can sneak in your best Charge before the enemy moves and those +1 to +5 are deadly.
Maybe buff Longbows a bit as well as an indirect buff since they are exclusive to this job iirc.

>>717561017
Archers were pretty terrifying in dorter when they had gear you didn't have access to and were fast enough to ohko your mages with charge. They fall off quickly afterwards

>>717576957

Better die a dumbass than a cuck