Thread 717585239

What's the point of playing the objectively worst class in the game? Most casual matches have 2 or 3 of these fuckers on each team.

you can ask those that keep feeding enemy as him maybe you will get somewhere

>>717585239 (OP)
Spy is just so uniquely fun among multiplayer shooters. Sure you could just play Solider, but clicking on feet will never be as exciting getting away with murder.

spy is entirely made for streamers

>>717585239 (OP)
sounds like something a spy would say.

He's fun

>-43
>Miss
>Miss
>Miss
>Miss
>Miss
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo3321sm6G8

>>717585239 (OP)
fun

Spy is the most fun I've ever had playing online multiplayer. I have over 2k hours on spy alone. Stock + amby is king for me. I use all 9 disguises, and they freaking work man. My favorite binds are "you were completely immersed in my illusion" for when enemies buy my disguise and "works on my machine" when people complain about a backstab

I used to get so annoyed when someone would swap to Spy to bust a sentry farm, and not just Demo spam.

>>717585239 (OP)
There isn't any point since Valve gutted him just like they did Scout, Heavy, and basically everyone else other than Soldier, Demo, and Medic. They've made it clear that they want TF2 to be a mindless explosives spamming game, and if you don't want to spam explosives, you will get spit in the face and kicked in the mouth.
Friendly reminder btw that even from the maximum range possible, the Ambassador can no longer kill anyone in a single headshot other than a Kunai Spy.

>>717590867
they should nerf the diamondback too just to spite you for actually being mad about the ambi change

>>717591068
Nah eat shit. Spy was already the worst class in the game even with full power amby. Only faggot snipers complained, unable to explain how a spy killing them with one headshot was unfair, but sniper doing it to everyone else from ten miles away was fine.

>>717591068
They probably would too if Valve still updated TF2. Valve has notoriously fucking hated weapons that take skill to use, and actively took action to nerf them into the dirt so that there'd be more Soldier mains and sticky spammers only to then wonder why the people who don't play these classes are completely fucking miserable and angry with the state of the game.

>>717591184
the amby got nerfed because the playerbase was protesting that they were always getting sniped out of the spawn by some pro spy from 20 feet away

>>717591835
yeah but it's totally okay for sniper to kill you out of spawn from a million miles away on literally every payload map right?

Spy is fun even if he's hard to play well because most people are aware of him now

>>717591893
yeah well you can't nerf that, it would require removing the sniper from the game altogether.

He's a mind games character, if youre causing the enemy heavy to constantly turn around or switch to pyro (arguably the second worst class in the game) youre doing your job. I love making people switch to pyro then I switch to heavy or something, own them more than go back to spy to further fuck with their heads

>>717592509
Good idea.

>>717592509
there it is, that's what i wanted to hear. i fucking love it when people will come up with any and every excuse in the book as to why the top dogs, the most overpowered classes in tf2 should never be nerfed or changed in any way, yet will demand anything strong that isn't from these classes gets gutted to useless meme-tier. posts like yours remind me exactly why i lost interest in tf2 with mym and then completely gave up on the game with jungle inferno.

>>717592601
kek. for me it's spamming voice lines while cloaked. it's fun to do it around enemy snipers and watch them start panicking.

>>717592659
and how exactly would you nerf the sniper? what are you gonna do, remove headshots?

>>717585239 (OP)
to be annoying with the dear ringer + Kunai.

hitting backstabs feels good

>>717585239 (OP)
Let’s see here
>I felt like playing him
>The enemy team has a really cracked Sniper
>The enemy team has 4 Heavies all being healed by Crossbow Medics and humping the cart
>Some faggot whose combined damage on me is 15 is dominating me because assists work with dominations, so I use the easiest to pick off 1 guy class

>>717590317
>pic unrelated

Its Shitbassador.

i like characters that can turn invisible
they are so fun to just fuck with people
i remember seeing tf2 in some vidya magazine back in 2008, seeing spy and thinking
>he can be invisible AND disguise himself?
shit blew my fucking mind

>>717595071
Too bad you need a degree in psychology to get a single backstab on anyone that isn't a fresh install anymore.

>>717590867
dont forget pyro
>gets mini uber and 8 seconds of crits for... doing damage
>get crits and melts you in 2 seconds for... hitting you in the back(2 weapons with the same gmmick btw)
>"but but but MUH short range!"
>gets very effective and spammable secondaries, nullifying his only weakness

>>717585239 (OP)
He's the most thrilling character, what other fps let's you wear disguises like Agent 47?

>>717593356
>>The enemy team has 4 Heavies all being healed by Crossbow Medics and humping the cart
Bad idea to use spy on the chances that one of the medics is using voice comm I'm glad people are starting to realise how busted heavy+medic is

>>717595921
>gets mini uber and 8 seconds of crits for...
Playing literally the worst class in the game (pre-airblast pyro). Phlog basically highlights how shit release pyro was.
>get crits and melts you in 2 seconds for... hitting you in the back
So less effective than spy while having a far smaller back angle.
>gets very effective and spammable secondaries, nullifying his only weakness
His weakness is being shit at dealing with sentry guns.

>>717597736
>I'm glad people are starting to realise how busted heavy+medic is
Welcome to 2008!

>>717585239 (OP)
because I like shitting on people who forget I have a gun and can do 102 damage in on shot to them

I WILL be playing Gunspy.
I WILL miss 70% of my shots.
I WILL abuse the Dead Ringer and Spycicle to harass the shit out of you.
You WILL overcommit to me and get atomized by the Soldier behind the corner.
You WON'T understand the danger you are in and walk directly at me.
I WILL be a hindrance to my team or mindbreak your team with no in-between.

>>717598741
>I WILL miss 70% of my shots.
slow down your shooting just a little bit

i am gonna go to the intel room, pick up and drop the intel rapidly, conga with it, the drop it and go invisible while the enemy team runs around looking for me while i spam voice commands in between harassing (both physically emotionally and sexually) the enemy engies

>>717599469
if youre not going balls to the wall with gunspy you're not doing it right.

>>717593505
>-102
>miss
>miss
>miss
>miss
>miss
Practically no difference

>>717590867
>Scout
>gutted
lol

>>717599801
how do i get good with the amby

>>717600416
keep your hand steady and wait for the player to walk into your cursor

>>717600416
dont fall for the amby meme
stock's dpm is more consistent

>>717600416
by not having parkinson's

>>717600416
step 1:casually approach sniper
step 2:shoot him in the face

>>717600676
this
stock is unironically better

>>717597736
Heavy+medic is literally the single most basic pair that people can think of and is the most iconic one to the point that newbie medics and heavys will basically pocket eachother instinctively, what are you smoking?

>>717600416
Just click on heads

>>717600809
i do that and then miss the second shot

>>717600416
No point since it's dogshit now

>>717597736
heavies humping cart only works because pub players hate playing stock demoman. 1 good pocketed demo rapes heavy stacks.

I like playing Spy because I get to giggle a lot to myself when I do something sneaky and fun and people get mad. It's even more fun if there are pyros going nuts and doing their jobs because then it becomes a challenge.

>>717600416
stock is better but I put on a custom script that changes the crosshair whenever I shoot (+ colour change on it when moving around) helped me a getting more comfortable in using it

>>717598132
Nah it was that revtime firing speed buff in 2010 that broke things. Even TF2C didn't try reimplementing that change (though they still broke heavy with that new cannon).
>>717600935
Being iconic doesn't mean its fun.
>>717601006
Even that means you aren't balancing the game to what people like playing.

>>717601006
i've seen plenty of medics who won't even pocket demos. they always go for heavies and soldiers

>>717601097
>Even that means you aren't balancing the game to what people like playing.
you say that but heavy is the least played class by a large margin.

>>717585239 (OP)
Circle-strafe stabs. I am addicted to them.

>>717601160
Precisely. People don't find that gameplay fun.

>>717591187
>They probably would too
>Valve has notoriously fucking hated weapons that take skill to use
you're contradicting yourself, the game basically plays itself when you use the diamondback

>>717601158
yes it's very frustrating trying to deal with heavies on cart when my med is too busy rimming a brass beast heavy with 0 kills. seems to happen every time.

>>717590867
The ambassador could never kill anyone in a single headshot
Do ambassadortrannies even use the weapon they profess to love

>>717600416
you swap to the default revolver

>>717600416
Learn to aim like people in 2011

>>717585371
>feeding
ASSFAGGOTS buzzword

>>717585239 (OP)
Easily the most fun class. Unfortunately I was never good enough at aiming to properly use the ambassador (or even play sniper honestly) to make the most of it in its heyday. I will say that its current "meta" playstyle goes against everything I stand for though, it's all trickstabs, facestabs and deadringer with little if any disguising at all, not helped by valve giving the retarded l4d glow.

>>717586314
streamers literally did not exist when I played this game as spy
back in my day, everyone played games to play the game - not to make ad revenue

>>717585239 (OP)
>Boomers still playing an almost 20 year old game

>>717601683
I'm a zoomer doe

>>717597736
>>717598132
>>717600935
Brave of valve to make them canon.

>>717601683
yes, and?

>>717591893
a little more acceptable considering that's his job, yeah.

>>717586314
streaming didn't exist in 2007 you retard

>>717585239 (OP)
The spy is such a fun class to play. When I was a kid, he, the medic, and the engineer were the only classes I ever played. The problem with all the other classes is that they’re basically just generic fighter dude with different speed and different gun. More modern games like Overwatch have fixed this.

>>717601683
boomers are all inside retirement homes or laying dead inside an office or warehouse where they slaved away during their last moments of life

spy conceptually is such a nothing class i find myself kind of surprised he made it to release tf2
>ok so he can pick off people like sniper, right
>but instead of doing it from the safety of his base behind his team he needs to actually sneak across the map
>and not get killed
>and get behind the enemy
>and hope they don't turn around
>and MAYBE he gets one stab before immediately getting mowed down
like imagine if spy was added into tf2 today or even eight years ago, would anyone actually play him?

>>717601998
>More modern games like Overwatch have fixed this.
Yes, but they paid it with atrocious balance and no depth to most heroes gameplay.

I want an unlock like the gunslinger for spy that gives him 25 more hp and a better gun but nerfs his cloak.

Switching your disguise's weapon gives you a significant bump in fooling ability and it seems like 80% of Spy players don't even know you can do it.
Pair that with a fake reload and you're basically invisible, those two things alone puts you in the upper echelon of Spies.

>>717602305
That was the release enforcer. Everyone agreed it was horrible.

>>717603671
I was thinking more accurate instead of more damage

>>717602221
you should really just kys at this point you fucking tastelette retard

>>717602382
if fake reload wasn't such a huge pain in the ass I'd do it all the time.

>>717585239 (OP)
>post them sneaky characters

Is the spy concept fundamentally flawed? I can't really think of any popular examples that has something like the spy in it

>>717606017
He needs some support abilities.
Sapper really does fuck all against a decent engineer who will outgun you if his teammates don't rape you first and outside of that all he can do is make calls in a game where no one has a microphone or ears.

>>717606017
it's the most creative and interesting class in any shooter in history. if you think it's bad you are retarded. i don't even play spy and i know this by the few times I have. yes I suck. i don't then assume the class is bad because i suck.

>>717599907
Scout is by far the most nerfed class in the game and its not close.
Atomizer
Baby face's blaster
Critacola
Pretty boy's pocket pistol
Sandman
Shortstop
Soda popper

>>717606945
Nerfed from god tier to great tier. Scout is still a beast if not the best offense class and is only kept in check by engie.

>>717606654
I don't think "it's bad" but I think it's hard to implement well since tf2 is kinda the only game with a spy class and no other game tried to do something like it since

>>717606945
yet he's still the class i default to when i'm not getting any kills as another class

>>717606945
and despite that scouts still run a train on lower population servers and dominate 6s

>>717606945
>Atomizer
>Pretty boy's pocket pistol
Both those are really good and upgrades on stock

>>717600416
The ambassador has literally never been good except on release when any shot could headshot. -t most hours on sniper

>>717607082
The weak should fear the strong.

It's fun playing against spy.

>>717607249
The old atomizer was truly spectacular, and if not overshadowed by faggots complaining about stun mechanics, wouldve been rightfully recognized as the best melee unlock for scout.

>>717607437
It's still my goto. It's so good for mixups, getting out of bad situations, and making shortcuts.

>>717605763
These never get old.

>>717602221
the basic "guide" as to how he's meant to be used is:
>sneak in via cloak or disguise
>backstab high-value target (heavy, usually)
>sneak out
>repeat
thing is, there's lots of anti-spy methods like shooting your own teammates, jarate and pyro or just... turning around every once in a while. against f2ps, spy is a godsend. anyone else, you may as well be down a teammate

>>717609974
Honestly the best thing you can do as spy is just camp teleporters and annoy spawners. You don't have to get a single kill just doubling the time it takes for an entire team to get to the front and drawing players away is huge value.

>>717611542
true, and you can just peak at the scores to see which teammate is about to spawn

>>717585239 (OP)
God forbid every class doesn't have broken mechanics like Rocket Jump

>>717585239 (OP)
He's the most fun class when things go well as well as during downtime. I'm REALLY bad at Spy but it's fun to turn invisible and just watch the enemy team.

You play TF2 to have fun and not be a competative faggot
>b-but comp is fun for me
go play other game

>>717585239 (OP)
i legitimately play spy just so i don't have to worry about enemy spies

>>717590660
>My favorite binds are "you were completely immersed in my illusion" for when enemies buy my disguise and "works on my machine" when people complain about a backstab

>>717585239 (OP)
>Spy needs to be so tanky and combat capable that he doesn't even need to use stealth.
I'll never understand Spy mains, why play a stealth class if you don't want to play a stealth class?

i have 5k hours

>>717613537
Scout is the counter to Soldier

>>717614703
because sniper does the same job with none of the risk

>>717614792
Nope

>>717615006
Yep

>>717614760
>Engineer that low
Now with Wrangler and Short Circuit, he is at least a B.
Also Heavy is better than Pyro but only if stacked with Heavy-Med combos.

>>717614760
Not putting medic in OP shows you have no idea about the game and shouldn't be listened to.

>>717585239 (OP)
The ego trip
also the fact that every backstab counts as 2 points on the score board

>>717615226
The medic is inherently not op because the game revolves around them.

>>717585239 (OP)
It's fun

>>717615113
not enough, stop being retarded

>>717613537
This image is trash
Soldier, Demo, and Sniper get hard countered by Scout, and soft countered by Pyro.

>>717613537
They have a class for shitters like you
>>717614792
This is true too but you can't be a shitter and play Scout.

>>717613537
I thought Spy was a hard counter for Sniper.

Spy is literally only fun playing against retards.

our AI overlords settled it

>>717616512
It would be more of a counter if they didn't design those retarded shields for the sniper.
I don't think Sniper is overpowered and I don't think anything should be done to nerf his primary weapons in any way, but both shields are retarded design.

pistol does way too much damage it should only do like 25

>>717616512
can't you see he isn't according to his headcanon

>>717616743
okay, but which ai? chatgpt, claude, gemini?

>>717585239 (OP)
>have one good game as spy
>3-4 other players all decide to go spy
>no longer having a good game as spy because the enemy team now just spy checks constantly and has half the distractions
Same shit when Im playing medic. Feels like everytime Im playing med/spy other people see me doing well, then decide to hop on because they think theyll do as good as Im doing and now Im not doing as good because those classes work best in small amounts.

what's the point of being invisible when people just cheat anyways

>>717592509
>you cant nerf that
Sure increase charge up time, and lower crit chance for snipers melee. Theres a ton of things that could be done to make sniper less bullshit. Removing the fucking razorback would be great one.

>>717617471
>Removing the fucking razoback
You literally have a gun.
>B-but what if he is in the top percentile of Sniper players and quickscopes me after a single shot
Firstly, how often does that happen, fucking seriously. Secondly, crouch dumbass.

>>717617696
>You literally have a gun
Sentries and teammates are a bigger issue than the insta sniper though he is a issue.
>just solo take out a engineer and his nest, the teammates by the engineers dispenser, then if you manage to do all that you might have a chance at a gunfight with the guy whose killed half your team
Wonderful.

>>717618157
>But what if [fringe case]
Then you're going to die instantly regardless if you shoot him to death or stab him to death.

>>717585239 (OP)
The mere threat that a spy MIGHT exist forces the entire enemy team to change their behavior to counter it. Think of how much of the average match is spent spy checking.

>>717615646
>calling anyone a shitter when he somehow has a problem with pyro of all classes
Reflect range is as big as you make it. If you're complaining about a big range it's because you fed the pyro an easy projectile from a far like a total shitter.

>>717585239 (OP)
It's fun

>>717618386
A single stab takes less time than 3 revolver shots, enough difference that you could stab and cloak before a sentry kills you

>>717601357
>you swap to the Enforcer
FTFY

>>717618386
>its a fringe case for a sniper to play near 1-3 of the 12 people on his team
Do you think the other 11 people dont exist?
>Then you're going to die instantly
Its called a trade, one that you arent allowed to make anymore. Too bad sniper is the only class in the game to get 2 unlocks that just nullify 2 other classes abilities with 0 effort or major cost.
How about this as a theoretical, do you think it would be a good unlock if heavy got a secondary that prevented any headshots/fully charged sniper shots on him and if a sniper did shoot him, even on accident the sniper could not use his rifle for 10 seconds?

>When the item servers were down for like 4 days straight and everybody had to use stock
>Snipers were actually weak again in close range and Spies had to actually value their lives
>Engie cant rely on wrangler
>Demoknight banished
>No mad milk or jarate

Wow its like theres tons of bullshit that muddy up the core gameplay

>>717614760
Here's the true /v/ approved tierlist

>>717619868
>kill a spy
>taunt knowing that he is actually fucking dead and not just running away with his crutch
In hindsight I would have removed Dead Ringer from the game, there isn't a more obnoxious weapon to fight against.

>>717621047
Its kind of amazing how many soldiers didnt know how to handle not having gunboats or conch.

Maybe making already tanky classes even more mobile was a bad idea.

>>717598132
Heavy alone can still be pretty busted with the right loadout and strategy.
I've gotten a lot of mowdowns through ambushes, retreating and Bananaing before getting back to the races.
Tomislav can also be surprisingly effective at range. I've won against Snipers with it.

>>717585239 (OP)
Revert the nerf to the ambassador
I love playing mid range sniper with dead ringer to piss off my opponents

>>717605763
That Scorpion's a bloody Spy!

>>717621709
That Heavy's a bloody Spy!

>>717585239 (OP)
To mock you

>>717621709
he looks like he robs australian mcdonalds

zesty won

>>717623834
Son, we just kept mobster VIP out of the game. Let's not throw a party until casual mode gets fixed.

>>717614760
teleporter alone makes this list retarded

HEY SPY TOP SCORERS
I HAVE A SECRET FOR YOU
did you know
the spy gets
get this
TWO TIMES THE SCORE FOR KILLS OF ANY OTHER CLASS
why you might ask?
Valve added this feature because...
they knew the spy was a bad class that sucked so they wanted spy players to feel better about themselves (the extra points for useless saps just weren't enough)
AND YOU KNOW WHY THE NERFED THE DEAD RINGER?
BECAUSE PEOPLE COMPLAINED SPY IS TOO FRUSTRATING TO PLAY AGAINST IF HE IS GOOD
fuck

If you had the opportunity to redesign spy, how would you do it?
I'd lean into the disruption and paranoia niche a little bit more. Sapper is a fine thing when you are about to make a push into sentries with the team but no uber is up, but I feel there needs to be slightly more. Something like the Deadringer is an ok idea but in reality it is annoying bullshit.

>>717585239 (OP)
i perform on him

>>717605763
if spy was the 9th in that picture it'd be perfect

>>717615137
>>717615226
>>717624868
>>717620514
>>717614760
character balance is completely out of whack depending on the map and game mode
scout on phoenix is top tier but good luck doing anything on barnblitz

>>717585239 (OP)
I carry teams when I play this shit, You all just fucking suck and probably need to play pyro or medic

>>717585239 (OP)
A good spy can be the bane of an incompetent team.

Spy isn’t bad. He just has the steepest learning curve.

>>717614760
people who say demo is OP are actual retards all you have to do is
>dont run blindly into trap
>stay outside of his medium range (optimal for both sticky spam and grenades)
>get close so his stickies can't arm in time without blowing his stupid ass up
>shoot him with any gun
it's that easy

>>717625747
on pub? yeah me too

>>717625954
demo is op because of CC, area denial and area damage, not dueling

>>717585239 (OP)
He can abuse facestabs thanks to shitty hitreg from the servers and instant killyou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX9gFNsFQXE

>>717626572
>aiming to the left while spy is on the right
>"""facestab"""

>>717621484
The Tomislav says it's 20% more accurate. Is that a 20% narrower cone radius, or total spread area?

>>717626572
>>717626675
This really shouldn't happen with legit spies if you can keep your crosshair on spy. Sure, there will be 300 ping spies who will rarely facestab you. Shit happens. But in practice abusing latency, lag is not as helpful as /v/ makes it out to be. Only literal cheaters benefit from high ping spy gameplay.

>>717625807
Spy can be countered by any class, but because you don't know where he is, every class MUST be prepared to counter him at all times.

>>717626675
Sure thing buddy

>>717585239 (OP)
he's fun and i fucking love the revolver, simple as

>>717627263
could be one of those interp abusers. i played with one of those last month, he was all warped and was literally stabbing people from the front, and like 5 feet away from you. how this faggotry isn't a bannable offense is beyond me.

>>717627098
>>717627263
educate yourselves retards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1hbjr-QGM

>>717627535
raising your interp makes trickstabs harder not easier.

>>717627636
he wasn't doing trickstabs, he was facestabbing players without even bumping into them. It was some goofy shit

>>717627869
this is what auto backstab lag cheats looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCQ9y1luDys
very clearly different from the heavy webm

castaway

>>717621709
Please tell me that isn't a real cosmetic, that is obnoxiously different from other clothes the heavy can wear.

>>717627990
you're right then, it looked more like that

>>717628241
It is, and it is in the game because "lol Disco Elysium reference".

>spy's biggest weakness is enemy knowing where he is
>so let's give everyone a wallhack that can highlight all teammates + disguised spies, making it risky for spies to use their most basic feature
Genuinely what were they thinking?

>>717629125
>fuck spies
>t. valve

>>717629125
A feature that helps 6s compfags know where their teammates are, and of course spy is never played in 6s

>>717627990
This is what every russian spy uses when you queue for medieval mode

Without fail all these god spies are in this singular mode and i never see them in regular matches

>>717592509
Don't tease me like that

>>717629708
spawn wallhacks are disabled in competitive retard

>>717628241
I bought the pants cause there is a severe lack of pants that actually look good in this game.

The mann of the house cant be painted team color so whatever.

>>717630039
Dude but muh compfag boogeyman...

>>717585239 (OP)
to have fun
it's a game, not everything has to be minmaxed

>>717626572
>>717627263

>>717585239 (OP)
I wish Ambassador had no damage distance falloff. I wish it was like a Deser Eagle in counter strike. I'd duel any Sniper like this. Fuck u valve for not giving me this opportunity

>>717627550
I swear failstabs/facestabs have gotten worse, but I can't prove it.

>>717631053
fuck off weebspy
you see shit like this? this is why it was nerfed
go play sniper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMTG-h2xlNs

>>717631731
The nerf went too far. The cutoff range is wayyy too short. It should be just slightly longer than sentry range and then minicrit after that.

spy has the highest highs and the lowest lows
but man when you take out a tricky engineer nest, or shut down a push, or get those hot chainstabs, when your disguise tricks a veteran player... nothing is like it

>scout 1v1 fight
>we both miss all our shots
>"NICE SHOT!"
>run opposite directions
Can never have that on ASSFAGGOTS

>>717632561
>Bump into another invisible spy/disguised spy
>"It seems I am not the only spy."
>"Of course."
>"Proceed."
>"Thank you."

>>717632561
>Miss my shoot
>Enemy laugh taunts at me
>Look down at the ground and use my explode bind
>Enemy uses Kill bind
heheh

The best way to fix spy is to have friendly fire turned on.

>>717631053
The ambassador headshots didn't used to have a range cap. That is to say, they could headshot all the way to the limit the game would draw the hitscan, same as sniper rifles.

>>717602221
I've never played spy but that sounds like half the fun. Honestly, how do sniper mains have any fun when they know exactly what the fuck they're doing is so broken?

>>717633346
>just ruin the game for everyone else so this one class is somewhat easier to play.
Thats the kind of genius balance ideas I expect from /v/.

>>717633346
retard

heavy and soldier are the best classes, followed by medic for healing and engineer for teleporter

Pretty incredible how TF2 is still popular, I still open the game up every now and then when I get bored.
I miss the early 2010s...

>>717585239 (OP)
>got killed by a spy
>cries like a bitch on 4chan
You are bad at game

>>717633947
>>717633804
Found the pyro mains.

>>717634409
A lot of times I just open it up just to mess around doing nothing in 2fort for two hours and call it a day. Can't really do that in a lot of MMOs, you just get banned.

>>717634464
good spies don't exist, only bad players who die to spies exist. Half the playerbase plays with no audio and doesn't spycheck EVER. spy mains are delusional

>>717634571
>He doesn't know.
And just like that my job is done. Espionage has never been this easy.

>>717633657
lol tf2 youtubers really mindbroke the playerbase, convincing everyone that sniper is some broken thing that has to be removed from the game

>>717634985
why you niggers don't just play cs is beyond me

>>717634409
Remember mario_kart_v3.

>>717634571
I'd like to know what kind of servers you play because no matter what I try, people seem to have a sixth sense and turn around right before I stab them.

>>717636062
don't uncloak right behind players

>>717585239 (OP)
>team has no spah
>pick spy
>backstab all the noobs
>loser team mates see backstabs fill the kill feed
>"Me want play spy too!"
>suddenly there's 4 spies on my team

>>717614760
you're retarded

>>717638091
>Play time

>>717637493
>he didn't encourage his entire team to swap to spy

>>717599489
based

>>717613537
pyro counters both soldier and demoman if you are not shit.

>>717585239 (OP)
Spy is only fun if you are the only Spy on your team.

>>717585239 (OP)
love this lil nigga like u wouldn't believe
>gives people something to think about as they make their way out of spawn
>the classic engineer-at-his-nest-vs-spy match up
>gives pyro something to do

>>717639271
But only ever as a soft-counter, considering a Solly can just use his Shotty and a Demo can always either surprise them with a trap or overwhelm them with a rain of sticky spam.

>>717600676
its not about consistency, its about trolling snipers.

>>717615604
>>717639271
Scout and Pyro only counter Soldier if he doesn't have a shotgun

it's pretty silly that soldier has the best maneuverability
that should be pyro's domain, short range weapons, he needs it
nerf rocket jumping, massively boost flare jumping

>>717639613
if he is firing a shotgun he isn't blasting rockets, meaning other classes can counter him.

>>717639627
Just make the Thermal Thruster a passive ability like Demo's shield charge. Hardly anyone uses it because the deploy/holster penalties are retarded.

>>717639721
what exactly makes him susceptible to being countered if he's using a shotgun, it's a strong weapon on its own
and where is the soldier's team in this white-room scenario

>>717639627
Pyro is about defensive crowd control and support for engineers.
that kind of maneuverability would make the class bullshit.

>>717639823
where is my team?
your soldier has stopped using rockets everywhere
his shotgun is the same shotgun the pyro can have.
he is countered.

>>717601636
>>717601920
DSP was hosting a server and complaining about the sandman before you post-JI installs even touched the game.

>>717639613
Speaking of the shotgun.
Should i use Stock or Panic for Soldier?

Also is it better to pair the Scorch Shot with the Backburner, Phlog or Dragon's Fury?

>>717639953
either this is a team vs team scenario where individually "countering" a soldier is a laughable concept, or it's an isolated encounter
and if it's an isolated encounter, the soldier and the pyro are on equal footing if they both have a shotgun, only the soldier has more health

>>717607082
Being a med-bitch =/ dominant.

>>717640063
panic attack if you want to larp as a scout with the rocket jumper
stock otherwise
>Scorch Shot
phlog easy

>>717640063
Stock, you're going to focus on mid range as Shotty soldier

>>717640095
>Being a med-bitch
welcome to 6s

>>717640067
soldier fell into my flamethrower before he switched to shotgun.
he does NOT have more health lol.
if you play as the shoty mostly and go around with it out all the time, then revengineer will hard counter.

Does anyone have the full vers of this edit

>>717640226
>soldier fell into my flamethrower before he switched to shotgun.
see "white-room scenario"
post hours

>>717607249
Everything is an upgrade to stock melee.

>>717639271
No, Pyro is on the disadvantages since Missed rocket leaves effect than mistimed airblast

>>717640289
soldiers usually keep rockets flying bro.
I pop out, backblast one into them or flame them, they switch to shotgun.
I can switch to the reserve shooter as well, not a regular shotgun.
mini crits vs airborn enemies.
worked well enough.

>>717625675
Scout isn't that bad on payload with bonk cola or milk.

>>717640342
what part of "not shit" did you not understand?

>>717640525
Yeah you're fucking retarded, Good Pyro had lesser odd to win against Good Soldier just because their mistake count

>>717640465
oh i understand now
just get comfortable with the shotguns, because once you start running into soldiers who know how to deal with airblasts it's way less of a reliable strategy
unless they're using gunboats then you have the advantage again

>>717640578
This image is truly elevated by the Xavier quote

>>717640578
Thnak you so much king

Why does a close-range class (Pyro) has less health than a medium range class (Soldier)?

>>717640785
>Why does a close-range class (Scout) has less health than a medium range class (Heavy)?

>>717607051
>Sombra in Overwatch started with an invis watch, then they gave her the cloak and dagger. whole purpose of the character was to be in the backline and shut down pushes from happening by disabling the player's abilities.

>>717640785
Soldier is slower and needs to set his health to minimum 160 to get anywhere

>>717640848
Because the Scout has mobility and damage that makes every Pyro envious?

>>717614452
I play spy to hunt down enemy spies. love stabbing some cloaked nerd

>>717640659
>muh optimized maths
lol bro this isn't tabletop with rolling dice
you aren't in 40k trying to optimize the next generation of smashfucker.

most soldiers are countered evenly by a nonshit pyro with good timing and some positioning to ambush.

>>717640729
yeah, and? you look to ambush them anyways.
Pyro works better popping out into where he already has range, my preference being to get behind people with the backburner and get full crits off of flaming their ass.
the reserve is for when you are already out and soldiers are flying in and leaving themselves open to go for a melee or something.

you should be trying to get their health down before you are stuck trading damage anyways.
Pyro is defensive.

>>717640874
>Soldier is slower
Yes, the nigger rocket-jumping all over the map is super slow.

>>717640953
not that anon, but not every soldier is gonna be doing that.
used to be a lot more rare even with the training map

>>717640953
>and needs to set his health to minimum 160 to get anywhere

>>717640874
>Equips gunboats and roams the entire map and picks off your team one by one

>>717640180
Go swap to sniper bitchnigga we playing viaduct.

When was the last time a community map wasn't cancer?

how do I get started playing TF2 in 2025?
I have never played a shooter extensively

>>717641216
>how do I get started playing TF2 in 2025?
Install the game, then play it.

>>717640996
Oh wow you get to fly all over the map, and only have 15 less health than a Pyro! A Pyro you one-shot with your gay crit rockets.

>>717641290
are the bots still a problem if I boot up a random server?
im afraid to play with /v/

>>717641360
the bots have been gone since last year, you're fine

>>717641140
Boardwalk is good and it only got in because valve doesnt like Slaughter's theming

>>717641360
>im afraid to play with /v/
Get a dog. Don't get a van. It will explode.

>>717640578
gru fucking SUCKS, the time you save getting to the front faster is traded off by the fact you're a heavy with 100 fucking max hp and have to sit there jerking off until your health goes back up. fists of steel, kbg or holiday are all more useful
heavy should have a 4th slot for food

>>717640785
pyro holds 1 button and blocks your view with his flames while not having to aim himself

>>717642156
Just blindly shoot your rockets to his general direction. You'll kill him and everyone around him. Soldiers don't have to aim either.

if you have some barebones team coordination it's really easy to destroy turret nests with a spy. Have the spy run in and sap the turret. Usually the engineer wins this encounter most of the time. But since you have a brain and a team a pyro running in can distract or kill the engineer outright while his turret is disabled and the engineer is more worried about the spy (his mistake). Spy+pyro or soldier is one of the few duos that can take out a set-up engineer, other than you know medic+demoman but that takes a long time and the other team sees that coming from miles away.

But realistically TF2 is for shitters so everyone knows they would play as a kangaroo or an unarmed civilian if they had the choice. RIP arena, RIP art style, RIP server lobby, RIP tf2

>>717640995
But you can singlehandedly fuck the entire enemy team on a spot most couldn't access, how is that even fair?

>>717641140
I really like citadel, it's got that badwater linearity and final point being a big multi story deathmatch arena, but it also has a lot of side paths with health packs so classes who don't spam down main can actually play and building on the cart (you can even build on it as red to make it harder for blue to push) is a funny gimmick but again the map has a lot of side angles for a demo or sniper to gank engineers.

it just feels like a map where every class has something to do, the theming is pretty on brand for "classic" tf2 (just a hidden spy base in a euro castle town) and it even changes up the visuals with each segment (rocky seaside cliffs -> town -> big gate -> cathedral)

tf2 dopamine hits ranked
>1- backstab and getting away with it
>2- huntsman headshot from waaaay far
>3- blasting a missile back and killing soldier
that's it that's the whole game

>>717601228
hasnt he been nerfed to shit?

>>717641345
And yet somehow every Pyro still manages to survive three direct rockets, airblast your last one, and light you on fire before dancing on your corpse. You get one crit and suddenly everyone forgets Soldier still moves at the pace of a tranquilized cow without a pocket medic or Gunboats.

The Soldier backpacks are the single most overrated group of weapons in the game.
You don't rack up 600 damage worth of chip very often and if you do you need to be playing such a boring, sedentary playstyle you may as well be doing nothing for your team. Playing balls out offense is just asking to get gibbed before you are even close, you're lucky if you get one off every three lives on attack.

>>717585239 (OP)
A good one can make callouts to their team and make key picks on problematic players. Most of the bad ones you see want to be those good ones.

>>717645308
this is why they give soldier more survivability too, except for buff banner which is on paper the most broken item in the game because of minicrits removing damage falloff

>>717642536
>4- last rocket is a crit that wipes out 3+ people

>>717585239 (OP)
He's incredibly fun to play as and mindgame people. It's especially fun if you only target one single person and fuck with them the entire game.

>>717585239 (OP)
it's fun

>>717644805
>without pocket medic or Gunboats.
Or the escape plan
Or the conch
Or the disciplinary action
Or just picking up a health pack after rocket jumping

the actual downside of rocket jumping is you only have 4 rockets so spending 1-2 of them on jumping massively limits your ability to actually kill people - esp if you gunboat/banner to make rocket jumping less punishing - but I can't expect a pyrotard to understand having to reload instead of holding M1 100% of the time while sucking up ammo crates
>but muh schrodingers crit rocket
pyro gets kritzkreig for free from throwing scorch shot down main, shut the fuck up

bomb jumping and air burst stickies have always been way easier than soldier to me. why does soldier get all the rage?