Thread 717672404

PC gaming in 2025? Couldn't be me.

are pctroons really trying to act smug about muh consoles while paying the price of 2x consoles for a GPU (literally a single piece of hardware that's useless by itself)?

UE5 is going to kill gayming

480p/17.5 upscaled and framegenned to 4k/60 for consoles in perpetuity

>>717672404 (OP)
Just turn down your quality settings. Why go for epic when you can just go with high?

So what's the difference between Epic and High? Most of these modern games are usually one setting away between 60fps and 90+.

>game has some random setting like "anisotropic quadratic AI scattering trilinear occlusion"
>on by default
>turn it off
>nothing changes visually
>frames double
Simple as.

>>717672404 (OP)
Why should a GPU from three years back be able to play cutting edge games at MAX settings?

>>717672838
epic and high is very different in the editor, but a lot of devs just crank everything so high and epic are nearly identical. initially this may seem neat, since it means your game should look better on lower settings. what this actually means is epic and high are mostly the same, medium is potato, and low is gameboy.

>>717673359
because mafia isn't cutting edge, it's as bog standard, out of the box, all unreal settings on stock. to give you visuals that are marginally better than 10 years ago, except in rendering, and skies for some reason.

>>717672404 (OP)
>couldn't be me

Wtf is this zoomer trash speak. Jesus fuck

>>717672404 (OP)
>Turns down the settings to high
>Runs great on my 7900 XT
I never fell for the 4K or max settings memes. I’m actually not really sure why I have a 7900 XT either, I would be happy with a slower GPU.

Just buy the newest card every week so you can keep up with the inversely proportional quality of games being shit out by "developers".

>>717672404 (OP)
Yeah because it'll run at a silky smooth 540p upscaled on console.

>>717673506
this unc crashing out on god lmao

>>717673359
rtx 5080

>>717673359
The better question is why a two thousand dollar gpu can't handle max settings at 1080p within 3 years of release.

>>717672404 (OP)
>playing UE5 games

>>717672404 (OP)
Welcome to /v/ one of the only places in the world where an underage 3rd worlder (in closer proximity to the indian mind set than you will ever be mind you) who spams twitter screencaps all day will call you an Indian shill despite making ops for grifter twitter accounts to repost.

>playing UE5 games at all
>implying those garbo games run better on consoles

>>717672404 (OP)
>Epic settings
Really?

>>717672404 (OP)
everyone knows the 5090 is a 1080p card anyway

>>717672404 (OP)
>B-but Akshit assured me UE5 isn't the problem and to do the needful!

>>717672404 (OP)
>>717672641
You guys are so stupid. You have weaker hardware than us, you just don't understand it. 240p looks like native 4k to you. Inserting a fork into an outlet increases your resolution to true 4k, btw. Just make sure it touches the hole labeled "hot". And no, just 'cause you can find someone on the internet pricing a GPU at $1000 doesn't mean they're all $1000.
Days consolekeks don't rent-free PC gaming: 0.

>>717672641
pctroons do.
pcChads don't play UE5 garbage.

>/v/ now shits itself at the prospect of pcgaming existing
is it just snoy rage?

Makes me curious how the base PS5 version is holding up and what its equivalent settings/resolution is.

>>717674503
>You guys are so stupid. You have weaker hardware than us
yes anon
for $499 for a full package nobody literally expects crazy performance
if it's capable of playing latest AAA at serveciable enough performance then it's more than worth it

play shitty games win shitty prizes

>>717674846
all i know is the pro hits 70s fps on performance mode, which looks like a medium/high mix on standard ue5. it also doesn't have pisser.

>>717672404 (OP)
TOTAL
RAJEET
DEATH

>>717673359
Why should the "cutting edge game" be an unoptimized mess, that even the latest cards would struggle on it?

Personally I've given up on gaming. It's just not worth upgrading cards when they will become obsolete within a year.
>B-but muh console ga-
Same thing there. Just look at the lifecycle of the Xbox One and PS4, and don't even get me started on the fact that each new console has a "pro" version released within a couple of months after the base console. Pro my ass; better yet, sick my ass, fuck you.

>>717672404 (OP)
I think this guy is bad at the computors, yep yep.

>>717675776
No UE dev is going to use Pisser until it's just a checkbox to turn on in the engine.

>>717672404 (OP)
I 'member when ue5 was coming out and people were soifacing over the realistic tech demos

>>717672404 (OP)
4k was supposed to be the standard 10 years ago
but we cant even run games at 1080p now
shit just keeps getting worse and worse

You will use the DLSS on your $3000 GPU and you will be happy

>>717676353
this, it's grim. i upgraded to 1440p in 2012, was totally fine up until around 2020, now i have to play games at 1080p again.
we've REGRESSED in resolution even though all tv's sold since 10 years ago have been 4k

>>717676315
I remember the shills saying that it ran better than ue4.

>>717672404 (OP)
Ironically, if console were to die out. I would expect a lot more shitty poorly optimized western games, arriving to console.

>>717676315
People have been basedfacing since the old rtx days (also reminder of how based Nvidia used to be).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJIopx-Xch0

>>717676315
I remember the UE4 tech demo with the knight, quality lighting, and all of the overkill particle effects.

Then Epic had to dumb it the fuck down to even get it to run on a PS4.

>>717672404 (OP)
Games don't even look any different from PS4 games.

I feel like we are actually starting to go backwards.

>>717676703
I keep saying it, but Sony's upper-tier PS4 games blow the fuck out of anything current-gen visually/performance-wise, given the hardware it had to run on.

>>717676703
You can only add so many vertices until the eye stops noticing any difference. Devs NEED to shift from the graphical arms race to focusing on aesthetics. Just let the shader do the heavy lifting.

>>717672404 (OP)
Are there really people who don't realize that 1080p is still the standard? 4K won't take that position until the cheap cards can run games in it without DLSS on. 1440 is just a worthless middle ground solution that gives worst of both worlds.

>>717676703
>Games don't even look any different from PS4 games.
They absolutely do. Name 1 PS4 game that looks like Avatar or Doom Dark Ages or path tracked Cyberpunk.

>>717676789
That's the nature of exclusives though.

Halo 4 still looks amazing. Even though halo 4 was a piece of shit.

>>717676975
1080p is not the standard graphically anymore. Developers don't optimize the visual output of an AAA game for 1080p and they haven't for a while. TAA in particular is tuned for 1440-4k output, not 1080p. The fact gamers are still majorily on 1080p is another matter but that won't necessarily mean games are made for 1080p, and in this case it doesn't mean that.

>>717672404 (OP)
This is why as a dev you simply shouldn't include the "epic" settings. Just by removing options people will think your game is better optimized because they WILL insist on playing max settings even if the visual difference between epic and high is barely perceptible. If you delete the epic settings, now high settings are the max settings by which people like the twitter guy will judge the games optimization.

>>717676993
>Oath tracked
Looooooooooooooooooooool

>>717672404 (OP)
>Playing AAA ganmes in 2018 + 7
Just watch it at youtube breh.

>>717676993
RDR2

YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE EPIC SETTINGS. ALL SLIDERS TO THE RIGHT IS RETARDED.

>>717677106
It runs worse on 1440, so what's your point?

>>717672404 (OP)
Or maybe just don't turn on Lumen?

>>717677175
>1400x787
>ps4 pro
Seems legit.

>>717677151
>>717677175
Both of these look very good but not on the level of the 3 games I mentioned.

>>717672404 (OP)
Just fucking use UE4 at this point. Jesus Christ.

why did everyone blame AMD for bad performance when it was Nvidia/Unreal Engine ALL THIS TIME?

>>717677175
As someone who bought this for the base PS4, it ran at 100 degrees and the load times were abysmal. Also how about you use a screenshot from one of the actual gameplay sections and not the scripted on rails section.

>>717677241
yeah it's hard to find screenshots at all

>>717677253
i don't think any of those really look impressive

>>717677302
you steer the horse and walk around in that area

>>717672404 (OP)
>mafia
>AAA

>>717677279
Nvidia is sacrosanct.

it's usually shadows. pretty much every game just turning down shadows from ultra to medium is like literally an insta 40% increase.
shadows calculations is handled by the cpu but its what i always noticed

>>717672404 (OP)
is it fucking path traced by default or something

>>717677279
Ironic post because usually it's AMD-sponsored games that are optimization disasters or uglier than usual.

What is their secret?

>>717677341
>you steer the horse and walk around in that area

>>717677560
Not using unreal engine for a start.

>>717677560
>What is their secret?
Good art direction. Graphically game belongs in 2020 so it was a bit funny to see people with 2025 hardware saying "OMG so well optimized!"

>>717677578
yeah, seems like gameplay to me. i thought the graphics were great the amount i played the game, never finish it though. i don't think i've yet to see a better looking game

>>717677560
Using a solid engine. Cryengine is legitimately fantastic, wish more devs would adopt it going forward.

How much does a 4090 cost today? Its probably still above one grand, right?

>>717677510
>cyberpunk
Nvidia sponsored, ran like shit for years
>alan wake 2
Nvidia sponsored, ran like shit
>witcher 3
Nvidia sponsored, ran like shit for years
>watch dogs legion
Nvidia sponsored, runs like shit
>atomic heart
Nvidia sponsored, runs like shit (infamously demanding dlss even for 1080p in system requirements)
>hogwarts legacy
Nvidia sponsored, runs like shit
>wukong
Nvidia sponsored, runs like shit

hmm, I might be noooticing a pattern here.

>>717672404 (OP)
Damn

>>717677781
about 2500€

>>717672641
>he doesn't know

The price of 60fps on consoles:
■ Assassin's Creed: Shadows at 720p
■ Cyberpunk 2077 at 900p
■ Dead Space Remake at 936p
■ Dragon Age: The Veilguard at 500p
■ Final Fantasy XVI at 720p
■ Forspoken at 720p
■ Immortals of Aveum at 720p
■ Monster Hunter: Wilds at 900p
■ Silent Hill 2 Remake at 864p
■ Skull & Bones at 720p
■ Star Wars Jedi Survivor at 648p
■ Star Wars Outlaws at 720p

>>717677560
Do you remember the Nintendo stamp of approval on the NES?

Same concept but the filter being having to learn an engine that isn't UE5.

>>717677849
Kek

>>717677279
PC gaming is rigged from the start and they dont even hide it.

>>717677856
i can't get a (new) computer for the price of a ps5 that can play those games at 60 fps

>>717672404 (OP)
it's because game makers can't make games for shit and pay no mind to optimisation

>>717677643
>Graphically game belongs in 2020
>Still looking fantastic or enough for 2025
So, it's dev incompetent again?

>>717677938
skill issue

>>717677643
Overall, most games released since 2015 hasn't become significantly better looking

>>717677781
Can't buy them new anymore due to 5090 making it cease production, so they went up in price relative to launch.

>>717677830
>cyberpunk - nvidia sponsored, ran like shit for years
No it didn't. You could run Cyberpunk at launch with a Ryzen 2200G which is a 4 core CPU with integrated graphics.
>alan wake 2
>witcher 3
Runs just fine for what it provides graphically.
>atomic heart - Nvidia sponsored, runs like shit (infamously demanding dlss even for 1080p in system requirements)
This is absolute bullshit. GTX1650 can run this game native 1080p with 75 fps outdoors 140fps indoors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwGRwSOBS3M
>hogwarts legacy
>wukong
These games run like shit because they're Unrealslop that stutters, but their graphical requirement is actually sensible. There's a big difference between engine stutter and graphical demands.

The only pattern here is in your own head.

>>717673359
>cutting edge
lol

>>717678071
I don't have a PS5 and I'm a pc gamer, but it's the truth. To get a complete pc it's easy 1000€ if you don't buy used parts over the course of like a year

It's not the engine's fault, it's the lazy devs who can't optimise.

>>717678113
I have a 5090

>>717677101
It wasn't that bad.

>>717678176
yeah it's almost like you're also buying a computer

>>717678262
If you don't use a computer for anything else than games there's no point

>>717678293
underage or retarded, call it

>>717678326
What are you talking about

>>717678293
>If you don't use a computer for anything else than games
who the fuck in the current year

>>717678382
Correct. Most people today don't use computers, a phone is enough to do most tasks on

>>717672404 (OP)
>>717672641
the thing is, and its proveable, that UE5 is actually fine. the problem is they are hiring dumb monkeys to build games who are throwing higher count polygon models into the engine and going "uhhh why is the raytracing not working". one guy even took the example files Epic provides and shows how they are just wasting space and resources on nonsense.

Like with everything UE5 is a tool and if you dont know how to use it properly you are going to get dogshit bad results. also Mafia doesnt look impressive at all which means they really fucked up.

games are hard to make, and when you hire indians to do most of the work to get it across the finish line by checking off the next JIRA ticket with a full hard on for AGILE methodology you get dogshit like this. meanwhile some smelly troon indie dev has a UE5 project built by themselves in alone in a room with nothing else that runs amazing.

gaming in 2025 has been jeetified

>>717678293
So it's no different from a PS5?

>>717678220
By today's standards it would be a masterpiece.

But this was 7th gen. People were playing Skyrim and darksouls 1. Sure it wasn't 6th gen but it was still decent.

>>717678184
>Download 3D asset from marketplace
>Drag and click
>Make script
>All is done in India
And the rest is just like movie production but animation, and you expect them to do optimization.

>>717678518
Except that a new computer is much more expensive

>>717678448
Most people today don't play video games, what's your point?

>>717672404 (OP)
Unreal Engine is like the BMW car. It's not the car itself that is built in a way that results in more crashing, but it always ALWAYS attracts the type of people who are more likely to crash a car. Games like Split Fiction or Everspace 2 or The Finals prove you can make a well optimized UE5 title, but most UE5 games are asset flips made by mercenary Indian contractors.

>>717678610
That a computer costs more than a ps5

>>717678598
And much more useful.
>b-b-but I personally don't use it
So what?

>>717672641
>meanwhile a console trying to keep up with budget performance needs to spend 500$ base price, 700$ on a mid-gen refresh and has spent 400$ on online fees in addition to various additional costs
The price isn't that different if you actually get a mid-range PC instead of overspending on memes.

>>717672404 (OP)
Let me guess, this is without DLSS.

>>717678660
lol

>>717678598
Only if you're a fucking retard and keep buying the expensive shit while there is a cheaper alternative.

>>717677560
having a literal nintendo 64 sky helps.

>>717678672
It's still more expensive by a quite large margin.

>>717678752
Like what? With all the cheapest parts that aren't total shit it's hard to to below 800€

>>717678762
those are volumetric clouds

>>717677938
So what? PS5 doesn't have shit to play, PC does. You'd rather pay for a useless paperweight because it's cheaper?

>>717678951
It has basically the same catalogue as pc though?

>>717672404 (OP)
high specs is a crutch for garbage devs who can't code for shit
it's been like this for decades and it only will get worse

>>717678762
As long it's work and looking good. What the point using the new fancy tech if the result looks the same and hurt the performance.

this is a shitpost indie open world game from 11 years ago

>>717678532
Even at the time, it was fine imo. A competent shooter. Was it as good as everything that came before in the series? No probably not, but it was fine. Not nearly as bad as YTers make it out to be.

>>717679073
Oh I get it now, you're astroturfing.

>>717679204
that's the remaster, the original did look really bad

>>717679256
what? are you okay?

>>717673934
Because PC fags are retards who've proven they'll pay $1500+ alone for just a GPU to daddy Jensen

>>717677938
This. Don't let the PC troons trick you, most of these people aren't happy with their life. Console is easy you just press start and play

>>717679326
yes saar very okay will be doing the needful and purchasing many ps5 game it has all games pc has and runs better

>>717679408
ok you're clearly not okay

>>717679441
SAAR POO POO SAAR

>>717672818
Nah

>>717679548
please, find a doctor

>>717679139
that's literally newish tech. volumetric clouds. and they look fucking horrible.

>>717679441
>>717679548
>>717679592
why are you samefagging now, ps5 anon?

>>717673506
You're old and you're going to die.

>>717679621
i don't even have a ps5, never have. i barely even play games anymore

>>717678508
>the thing is, and its proveable, that UE5 is actually fine
No it's not fine, threat interactive has pointed in multiple of his videos that UE has had problems imbedded in it, bad default choices, bad lighting models/algos or whatever, it's basically just bad engine overall because of how corrupt the company behind it is (how else do you think they get so well along with nvidia?)

>>717677856
and still not gta6 at launch, such is the life of the PCincel

>>717679710
you can't really trust that dude, he makes valid points at times, but other times he can't even program the simplest of shaders himself since he knows nothing about programming, and he wants to raise a million dollars without any proof to make a fork of ue5

Did you try turning off the 12 seperate blurs that all make things look worse and destroy performance?

>>717679670
okay, then you have no reason to tell lies in its defense. glad we could work this out.

>>717676913
The problem aren't the vertices or the shaders, it's the lighting. Developers have stopped baking lighting in favor of automated lighting that takes a shitton of resources

>>717673102
I have the game and with my 4070 ti super I can maintain solid 60fps with just turning down Global Illumination and Shadows to High. And there's no difference between High and Epic and I've tried to look closely enough.

Inb4 muh 60 fps, I play all singleplayer at capped 60fps. You don't need more and if you think otherwise you are just a faggot.

>>717679789
lies? you can quite quickly look up prices of buying a new ps5 and parts to build your own computers, and unless you get the cheapest of celerons and a 3050 you won't get it cheaper

>>717678508
The problem is that ever since the 1080, every GPU is too good, so they have to sabotage the performance to sell new cards.

>>717679730
must be hard no longer having real exclusives to hold over PC since daddy sony threw in the towel

>>717672404 (OP)
>>717672641
Consolefags getting uppity over their gimped drm shitboxes again.

>>717679860
>lies?
>>717679073

be more careful next time, you get caught lying and nobody will take you seriously anymore

>>717679582
Yah

Remember when Crysis came out and everyone was like "wow, they finally made a game that you can't play on max settings for a few years until better hardware came out" and everyone thought that was really cool
Obviously this game is still shit but the idea is the same.

>>717672404 (OP)
>epic/highest settings
Surely nobody would be retarded enough to play like that?

>>717679710
>threat interactive
post discarded

>>717679951
of course, if you include self published indie games you won't have the same catalogue. it's not fully correct to say they have the same library, but for the large games they sure do

>>717673506
"couldn't be me" is millennialcore

>>717679874
>must be hard no longer having real exclusives
correct, pc didn't have any AAA exclusives since the early 2000s
enjoy your steam slop

>>717679992
except crysis looked way better than anything else, todays' games that run at piss performance don't look any different from all the other games

>>717680134
lower the settings

>>717680050
You deserve the 2000$ GPUs. I hope they keep hiking the prices more to milk you like a good pig you are

>>717672404 (OP)
>4090
>uses a +3 year old gpu
>cries about performance
Grow up.

>>717680172
that's not the point. the game should look considerably better for a game to even have the audacity to require better hardware than something from ten years ago

>>717679992
Crysis looked like a game maybe five tos seven years better than everything else around it, that's why the graphics load was deemed acceptable. A look into the future. 2025 games that run like shit don't look like 2032 games, they usually look like 2022 games.

>>717680240
Diminishing returns, deal with it.

>>717672404 (OP)
Just lower the settings.
Consoles basically run all on low (except for texture detail, which you should be able to set to high too if you wasn't a retard that bought a 8GB card when even the nintendo switch 2 has more than it).

alright, managed to make a pc that's just about the same price as a ps5, how would it stack up?

>>717680375
Switch 2 has 12gb of shared ram between CPU and GPU, and the OS itself reserves a chunk. It's very much an 8gb vram system too after everything else takes its share.

>>717679710
A broken clock is right twice daily.

>>717680456
Abandon all hope.

PC gaming is always superior simply because you have control over your platform. The idea of a console is a proprietary outmoded concept from the 80s / 90s when you could either buy a $3000+ PC that literally wouldn't be able to play next year's games (I don't mean at max graphics, I mean at all), or you could buy a massively cut down purpose built gaming machine using completely different cheaper hardware which was still expensive for the time. You were playing games that were vastly inferior graphically and mechanically vs arcade or PC counterparts in many cases. As the years went on the argument claimed that consoles were "pick up and play, easy to use" but this would start to erode in the 2000s as gaming required the same kinds of installs, updates, patches, DLC etc on console and under greater restrictions, while also using more common PC-like hardware. By the Xbox360/PS3/Wii generation there was no justification for separate console usage at all; it had eroded completely and the following generation has basically resulted in locked down PCs.

>but but vidya card expensive
Yeah, that sucks. Its mostly Nvidia's fault among other conditions like the tariff bullshit of both Trump admins in the US (it happened 2 generations ago as well). However you don't need to have the most expensive card to game and you have options.
>but bad performance
Don't blame PC for developers and engines that would rather not optimize when they can just throw stupid resources at it and then blame the user. Years ago it would have been suicide to suggest users on high end GPUs had to run lower resolutions and upscale to get decent framerates, but for the past few GPU generations NV pushed the entire techtuber sphere to just accept that everything needed raytracing and DLSS to make it actually playable. This horseshit, combined with unoptimized UE garbage means certain games are a slog now, but thankfully there are plenty of indies and other titles worthy

I simply don't buy UE5 games anymore, even when they try to entice me using IPs that I once loved. I'm not dealing with shitty performance anymore, telling me to buy the current flagship card so I can max out an UE5 game released 5 years ago is not an answer to this problem.

>>717680672
Yes but you don't pay high premium for a broken clock like you do for modern PC hardware

>>717680095
aww, baby gotta cherry pick...

>>717680595
Indeed

>

>>717680095
Tends to happen when all the platforms become homogenous and not offer anything different.

>>717679670
>i barely even play games anymore
such is the life of a ps5 owner

>>717680889
Point being is that you shouldn't trust a person selling half truths and feeding impotent gamer rage to get views for ad sense.

>>717680456
retarded build, unironically PS5 would be faster.
8GB of RAM alone makes this system unusable
Even poverty tier PC is around $600 if you want to use new parts.

>>717680456
>>717681404
8gb of ram is a joke
i had a SINGLE patreon tab use 7gb yesterday

>>717681339
>i don't even have a ps5, never have
>such is the life of a ps5 owner
The cat in your picture has a higher IQ than you.

>>717673102
ue5 default "epic" config is like 30% performance impact for 0.5% visual benefit

>>717681365
PC gaming has been dead for almost 2 decades now, there has been no new games made with PC in mind (if you played on PC before x360/ps3 era, you'd know what that means). This guy is calling out the engine that's main reason why PC gaming has been bad place for so long, of course I'm going to listen to him.

>>717672404 (OP)
And let's see if my "everytime you see someone whinning about performance, you can find people playing on the steam deck rule" applies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_7dAjZuGk

Yeah, this time around you need to cheat quite a bit.

>>717680456
>>717681404
Consoles are subsidized by paid online, trying to make a pc that's the same price is pointless.

>>717681501
>I will defend PS5 to the death but I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER purchase or own one
so transparent

>>717681559
Any game that doesn't run well on the steam deck isn't worth playing.

>>717681541
>almost 2 decades
>unreal engine 5
wat

>>717678762
you can crank them to experimental and they look nice and sharp for like 1-2 fps loss

>>717681609
It's not just that, you literally pay for the extra freedom.
All the connectors, plugs, card edge connectors and designing the PCB to accommodate for all that costs extra.
But you get what you pay for.

>>717681648
I'm tired of the:
>"WAAAH ITS TOO IMPOSSIBLE TO RUN IT ON ANY PC"
>Runs well enough on the fucking steam deck

Combo.

>>717681609
It was easily doable in PS4/Xbone gen.
New cucksoles should arrive by the end of 2027 so we will have huge jump in hardware requirements again soon after.

>>717680528
>devs just start slapping in a prompt saying Epic is mean for 'future' cards, and calls it a day
But.. it is? The ultra or highest settings were always a "OK this will probably run badly for current hardware but if you've got the highest end or you're playing in the future you want the best graphics" thing. Ultra is for screenshots, medium-high for games.

Max settings were always a meme except in lazy console ports where there was no options to go higher.

>>717681680
Unreal Engine 3 was the beginning of the end. RB6 Vegas 1 and 2 ran like hot garbage on my PC

>>717681404
My parts were €500, a ps5 is €550

>>717672404 (OP)
>>717672641
Stop trying so hard to justify being poor.

>>717681768
It was only possible because console were stuck with bulldozer, AMD got their shit together so it's not gonna happen again unless there's another big fuck up like that.

i hate the chase for more grafix
make an interesting art style, keep it simple and have the game run at 200 fps

>>717681768
>New cucksoles should arrive by the end of 2027 so we will have huge jump in hardware requirements again soon after.
Not really
Moore's law is dead, we're under jensen's law now.
"If you want more transistors, you pay more".
Consoles COULD be a threat if they made a bunch of ASIC accelerators in the system ala PS1, but that ain't happening with the americans in charge of the hardware design.
We need a kutaragi, but we ain't getting a kutaragi.

>>717681764
>"WAAAH ITS TOO IMPOSSIBLE TO RUN IT ON ANY PC"
#justwindowsthings

>>717681807
Max settings were not a meme before Crysis 1 was released, you could game max settings or very high settings on most games before Crysis 1. However we forgive Crysis 1 because PC gaming peaked with Crysis 1, and it's been pretty much downhill ever since then, with no innovation to graphics or new games (thank to EA and other publishers closing so many good studios).

>>717679730
>30fps
I can wait. Really. If I had an one year vacation to play games only I still wouldn't have cleared my backlog.

>>717681778
It hasn't been that way for over a decade due to the growth of GPU power vs. what consoles could do at the time.

>>717681404
A 9060 xt alone is 450€ here

Epic or Ultra settings are a complete joke. They look identical to high settings most of the time. Ray tracing is also mostly useless. You can play just about anything on a low end card medium to high settings at 1080 and get 60fps or higher. Epic games and other devs think we are still in the era where maxing out a graphics card is considered impressive so they put these useless settings in that don't add anything.

>>717681970
>It hasn't been that way for over a decade due to
due to GPU reviewers playing games on ultra to benchmark GPUs, and clueless idiots thinking this means "wow guess games should be playedf on ultra now!"

>>717681887
>Consoles COULD be a threat if they made a bunch of ASIC accelerators in the system ala PS1
Co-processors that speed up grafix already exist, they're called GPUs.

>>717681887
They will simply cram a lot of AI upscaling this time around with FG on top.
Newer CPU and more RAM aren't as expensive.
Meanwhile majority of PC users are stuck with 8GB of VRAM or less.

>my 2070 can play it at 1440p
feels good not being scared of dlss

>>717672404 (OP)
>>717672641
>>717672818
why are snoygros acting like UE5 games running like stuttery shit isn't a problem on consoles as well including their overpriced PS5 "pro" model?

>>717672641
It's worse than you.

PCtroon will literally pay $5000 to sit at a fucking desk to play video games in-between hentai jerk off sessions and still have an objectively shitter experience than a $500 console.

>>717682104
Nope, they're just a miserable large pile of specialized CPUs since the original geforce 3.
There are the ROPs that are specialized, but there's no super fast JPEG decoder or BVH tree generator or even common stuff baked in hardware.
It's all programmable.
And last time an all programmable system had to face off against a fully fixed one
Was a 299 PS1 versus a 399 Saturn and 2000 PC.

>>717681810
The only issues I ever had from UE3 were somw texture pop in and some performance stemmed from games using the PhysX library, and even then the games that did have it you could generally turn it off.

What specs did you have, cause my 9800GT and AM2+ ran R6V just fine.

>>717672404 (OP)
You don't need to play at max framerate and resolution. Change my mind.

>>717681984
It's shitty 8GB version, those are cheap.

>>717682205
stuttering is cinematic

>>717682205
Yeah it's weird, FF7 Rebirth ran either extremely blurry or 30 fps with dips on the PS5, it was fucking garbage, I can play it on 165 fps on PC without sacrificing anything. Their standard for good is just way lower, that's why they think games run better on their shit.

>>717674968
>if it's capable of playing latest AAA at serveciable enough performance
it's not

>>717682378
I think I had either 8800 Ultra or 280gtx when I tried Vegas 1 or 2 . I remember because I think I overclocked 8800 Ultra the wrong way and somehow it died and they sent me 280gtx . Cpu was either e6700 or 2600k

>>717682452
I see. Those are 350€ here

>>717672818
Here's hoping Threat Interactive becomes mainstream enough that epic is forced to fix their broken engine

I only learn kikeware came out once the benchmarks get posted that it can't run at 1080p60, who gives a shit, you're not playing this trash, no one is, the industry is dead.

>>717682393
You also don't *need* 57" monitor running 7680 x 2160 resolution, but once you get to pixel peep some games on it it becomes impossible to desire anything less

>>717682725
not gonna happen kevin

>>717682613
That is really strange the 2600k had issues with UE3, those Sandy Bridge processors tore through everything. I had mine up until 2017 and it still was viable for the most part.

>>717683063
>2600k
The GOAT

>>717672641
Base ps5 is like a 3600+6700 ($400ish used)
Pro is a 3600 + gpu marginally faster than a 5060
$800 could get you a 5070 and a raptor lake i5.

>>717683127
God tier processor, felt like a generational leap compared to everything else at the time.

>>717672404 (OP)
so why didn't this get trashed in reviews like wuchang

>>717683617
>Hey Anon your CPU is getting OLD how about you simply overclock it by 50%?
It ain't coming back.

>>717672641
PC gaming isn't superior because of graphics or performance, it's superior because you can choose between M&K or controller and because pirating exists.

>>717683826
Don't forget about mods, I cannot play without them.

>>717672404 (OP)
>UE5
EA dodged a bullet sticking with Frostbite and of course Halo Studios has fallen right into the trap.

>>717683782
Thats fine it lives on in a separate Linux machine.

god ue5 killed any hype i have for any new title

i cant handle the blur

>AAA
Couldn't be me indeed.

>>717672404 (OP)
People think i'm crazy when I mention buying xx graphics card for a certain resolution doesn't matter anymore.
For fucks sake, games are being optimised for 1080p upscaled to 4k

>>717684047
Mine is somewhere in a box, I gave it to a friend along with the rest of PC but he managed to blow up the PSU by using SATA cable from different PSU. So he gave it back :^)

>>717684197
If you have an Nvidia card it's been true for like 5 years now. Even a 5060 ti or 9060xt can fairly competently do 1080p to 4k

How does he keep being right?

>>717684402
Are there people who actually think he has any points or is it all trolling? He read somewhere that if you say something confidently enough people will believe your nonsense, and he took that to heart.

>>717684402
>>717684481
he does have valid points but also a lot of invalid stuff

>>717684560
His points only apply to photo-realistic graphics, and as we all know and agree on; artstyle > fidelity.

>>717684263
Good lord. Your friend doesn't deserve to have you anon.

>>717684402
>How does he keep being right?
if you actually played kcd2 youd know he isnt right
reminder TI's whole persona is built around shitting on TAA-derived technologies for looking bad in motion, and then he goes and praises double SMTXAA in KCD2 for being "crisp" and good looking
https://imgsli.com/MzUyMjc5/1/3

>>717672404 (OP)
The way developers design for hardware is that they treat it as bandwidth to spend as freely as they like. This means that NVIDIA could release a $10,000 consumer GPU and developers would design their games around it.

It's not a bad thing. The idea is that you make the best looking game you can and then have options to reduce graphics so it runs on all machines (weaker machines).

>>717672818
It's more about developers not giving a shit about optimization anymore. The hardware is strong enough but devs try to brute force everything.

>>717672404 (OP)
Something something ITS NOT UNREALS FAULT

>>717687310
Optimization takes a lot of time and doesn't show up on the performance report.

>>717687557
employee* performance report

>>717687310
As long as faggots keep buying games it doesn't matter.

>>717672641
Nvidia (and their mindless shills) has the PC market forever trapped in a racket.

>>717672404 (OP)
yet ue3 powered almost every 7th gen game and didn't require expensive hardware
what happened?

>>717687830
Tim

This shows us the real reason why AI will only make things worse. Making stuff easier doesn't lead to better things, it just leads to more incompetence.

>>717672404 (OP)
>not showing what cpu is being used
Faggot alert

>>717688356
>twatter post isn't legit information
HOW COULD THAT BE?!

>>717688716
>Twitter post
>Spanish name
Probably posted by the OP himself. Wild how this thread got any traction dispite clear misinformation

We're entering a new dark age for PC gayming but this time it won't be devs deserting the platform it will be paying 1000€ GPUs to run games at 544p upscaled to 1080p at 60 fps (45 fake frames).

>>717688839
Because bait works.
The more retarded the OP longer the thread stays alive.

>>717687310
the last game that released is Battlefield 6 and it literally runs 1080p native at 50fps on a GTX1060, without upscalers. That's a NINE year old graphics card. Developers give more shit about optimization than ever before, if this were the year 2000 your 1998 GPU would already struggle to boot new games let alone have good FPS.

>>717681479
>close browser
>launch game
Man that was hard as fuck to solve.

Remember the end of kingdom hearts 2? All of xemnas' different forms and attacks? The lazer dome finisher? The ps2 had a clock speed of 294 mhz, 32mb of DRAM and 4mb of VRAM. I had that console and remember shit running smoothly. I refuse to believe this issue is anything other than people being fucking lazy.

>>717685351
looks good to me

>>717685351
DLAA/FSR aren't perfect solutions but honestly they're the best AA tech we've gotten in years. Obviously I would prefer jaggies being eliminated with no image quality loss, but this is probably the closest we're gonna get until hardware is powerful enough to render retardedly high resolutions.

>poorfags at it again
works on my machine. get a better job and buy a better pc, stop being so miserable.

>>717672404 (OP)
good thing i only play indie pixel shit on my 5070 ti(unironically)

>>717672404 (OP)
No one plays on PC anymore, we know this, look at Steam sales, compared to consoles its a % of a % usually. They are outdated, far, far too expensive, must be updated every year, meanwhile I can press A or X to start playing.

Its mad, no wonder it died

>>717673506
Die boomer

PC gaming has been shit for a decade.
Cheating out of control
40 different launchers for games
Stuttering in every game ever made. Seriously search any game name made in the last 10 years and the word stutter with it.
Absurdly expensive hardware for smaller and smaller increments of progress.

>>717691164
>Stuttering in every game ever made.
Only this is somewhat true for me, I dual-boot into linooks to fix some of it but it's not guaranteed.

>>717691164
>Stuttering in every game ever made
God, people on here really just say whatever dumb shit they feel at the moment regardless of whether or not it has the slightest grounding in reality. It's like talking to women.

>>717684717
Meh I've seen worse levels of tech illiteracy

UE5 is absolute dogshit and the only people who defend it are third worlders (which includes slavs).

>>717691786
You are an npc of the highest order. Playing an fps on ports levels of npc

>>717692758
And you are a cretin faggot fuck who isn't capable of making any arguments without having to exaggerate like a twitter tranny.

>>717692758
You don't get to call anyone an NPC my dear consolecuck
Yo're reciting complaints you never even experienced because you don't have a pv