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Anonymous No.717791251 >>717792283 >>717792586 >>717792675 >>717792723 >>717792746 >>717796452 >>717797906 >>717799642 >>717802360 >>717804080
How did a cheap Ultima knockoff surpass it in long term support and relevancy?
Anonymous No.717792283
>>717791251 (OP)
By having the Dragon Ball Z artist
Anonymous No.717792586 >>717792830 >>717805281
>>717791251 (OP)
because ther didn't make a new Ultima game since the last century you retarded faggot
what a stupid question to ask
even in 1999 when that garbage Ultima 9 came out the series was still far more popular than your literally who Dragon Slop
Anonymous No.717792675
>>717791251 (OP)
ultima who?
Anonymous No.717792723 >>717794824 >>717802953 >>717805118
>>717791251 (OP)
Ultima didn’t try to turn themselves into a big franchise with merch and shit
Anonymous No.717792746 >>717792868 >>717793826 >>717803852
>>717791251 (OP)
DQ games are just fucking boring. It's like eating vanilla ice cream, and the fanbase is oddly smug about the series remaining the same boring shit for 40 years or whatever.
Anonymous No.717792763
How did Dungeons & Dragons despite its constant usage never result in a good product?
Anonymous No.717792830 >>717792985 >>717793109 >>717793378 >>717793739
>>717792586
>even in 1999 when that garbage Ultima 9 came out the series was still far more popular than your literally who Dragon Slop
>Ultima's lifetime sales are barely above three million
>DQ lifetime sales is nearly 100 Millions
Yeah, no, Ultima struggled so much in terms of popularity that the series would have died if they didn't compromise with Ultima Underworld, and it still sold fuckall, Dragon Quest has always been enormously more popular
Anonymous No.717792868 >>717798428 >>717798589 >>717798702 >>717802698 >>717804145
>>717792746
you sound like you only played 8, 11 or that overrated trash 5 and wrote off the series as bad
don't listen to the redditors and posers and play an actual good DQ game such as 6, 7 and 9
Anonymous No.717792985 >>717793370 >>717793701 >>717798049
>>717792830
he meant in the west obviously.
dont pretend you played dragon quest in 1999 you fucking poser
Anonymous No.717793109 >>717793951
>>717792830
not in the 90's, outside Niponistan no one cared about DQ back then
even DQ7 (the best game in the series) flew under the radar outside Japan because flthy gaijin were turned off by the outdated graphics
it wasn't until DQ8 (cookie cutter tranime slop the series gained global attention
Anonymous No.717793370 >>717793460
>>717792985
Nigger the west got most DQs since the fucking NES, what kind of filthy fucking casual are you?
And since I was alive back then let me tell you, hardly anyone gave a fuck about Ultima even in the RPG sphere, the series was already on its way out in the very early 90's.
Wizardry was more popular, M&M was more popular, the fucking goldbox games were more popular, Ultima has always been fellated but like a lot of classic RPGs not many people actually played the damn thing, which is why the series quickly lost its way past Ultima 5 and desperately tried to reinvent itself to find an audience.
Anonymous No.717793378 >>717802638
>>717792830
Dragon Quest was popular only in Japan, the rest of the world started appreciating it much later.
Anonymous No.717793460 >>717794227
>>717793370
whatever you say poser
Anonymous No.717793701 >>717794940
>>717792985
Dragon Warrior was pretty big in the West lol
Anonymous No.717793739 >>717798546
>>717792830
It's kind of crazy how Dragon Warrior on NES outsold Ultima in America, but Ultima fanboys can't bring themselves to accept it.

A lot of them don't even know what DQ is.
Anonymous No.717793826
>>717792746
So 40 years, 11 mainline games with the most recent being from 2018, and the one before being 2012, saying that stuff is irrelevant
Anonymous No.717793951
>>717793109
you are either baiting or delusional
Anonymous No.717794227 >>717794736 >>717795020 >>717796579
>>717793460
You call other posers while flaunting your ignorance of the market, largely because you weren't alive to know back then, and you think you're making some sort of point?
Again, Ultima was doing so bad it was one inch close to death before Garriot came up with Ultima Underworld, Ultima VI in particular was a huge flop because outside of being a dogshit game most people didn't actually care about Ultima, they were playing shit like Wizardry, M&M and guess what? Dragon Quest, or maybe I should call it Dragon Warrior because that was its name back then.
To put things into perspective, the NES version of Dragon Quest 3 alone sold roughly DOUBLE the lifetime sales of the entire Ultima series, that's how dire the state of Ultima was, it was one of the many CRPG series that got an awful lot of lipservice but not many people actually bought and played the damn thing.
Anonymous No.717794736
>>717794227
no one cares about DQ outside Japan in the 90's you zoomer poser
Anonymous No.717794824
>>717792723
>didn't try to turn themselves into a franchise
>literally had like 10+ games
Anonymous No.717794940
>>717793701
Yeah, it was so big we didn't in get DQV and VI on SNES.
Anonymous No.717795020
>>717794227
The NES version didn't sell shit. Stop lying kike. Famicom≠ NES.
Anonymous No.717796452 >>717797508 >>717798724 >>717799814 >>717803265 >>717803796 >>717803926
>>717791251 (OP)
better music
better art
better writting
Anonymous No.717796579
>>717794227
Kind of like how Balldo's Gate 3 won GOTY even though several games outperformed it that year and were way more popular.
Anonymous No.717797110
I want a private server for 10 please, it is my wet dream
Anonymous No.717797508
>>717796452
VII and VI belong in S with DQ III. They're essentially expanded versions of it.
Anonymous No.717797906
>>717791251 (OP)

Dragon Quest by design was made to be easily picked up and played. Ultima was the polar opposite of that.
Anonymous No.717798049
>>717792985
I was playing the Pokemon ripoff Dragon Warrior Monsters in 1999.
Anonymous No.717798232
The story about an old dude in a nursing home calling the Nintendo Power Line to brag to them about beating Dragon Warrior with no weapons or armor gave me a vision of my future.
Anonymous No.717798428
>>717792868
>actual good DQ game such as 6, 7 and 9
Holy based
Anonymous No.717798546
>>717793739
Doesnt really count when it was given away for free with nintendo power
Anonymous No.717798589
>>717792868
Based. DQ without the job system is shit.
Anonymous No.717798702 >>717799568
>>717792868
9 may very well be one of my favorite games of all time
Anonymous No.717798724 >>717802009
>>717796452
IV forces you to spend a significant amount of time being a jew
So it gets bumped to the bottom
Anonymous No.717799568 >>717799660
>>717798702
I quit 9 very early because I was annoyed by the RNG bullshit they make you do to unlock jobs.
Anonymous No.717799642
>>717791251 (OP)
I don't know or care about either of these old man shit games
Anonymous No.717799660
>>717799568
Too grindy for me as well, also didn't like the graphics a whole lot.
Anonymous No.717799814 >>717803080
>>717796452
>2 above 1
I remember a large portion of 2 being fucking annoying to play, but 1 was consistently good from start to finish. Am I retarded?
Anonymous No.717800134 >>717800760
The Ultima fan fears the Japanese comfort food rpg
Anonymous No.717800760
>>717800134
They do seem to hate Dragon Quest a lot. It's kind of weird actually.
Anonymous No.717802009
>>717798724
Torneko is based
and his PS1 spinoff game is kino one of the best mystery dunegon games
Anonymous No.717802360
>>717791251 (OP)
Hilarious to see shit like this parroted from people who've clearly never played Ultima.
Where's the grid-based combat system in Dragon Quest?
Anonymous No.717802638
>>717793378
>started appreciating it much later
Nah, nobody really gives a shit about it
Anonymous No.717802698
>>717792868
>actual good DQ game such as 6, 7 and 9
I've been constructing a secret plan where I'll get my wife pregnant four times in quick succession so I can craft a full DQ9 party of my own seed.
Also, 6 sucks ass, get it out of there.
Anonymous No.717802953
>>717792723
It had spinoffs and had a strong focus on physical merchandise included with the game (partially to act as a form of piracy protection).
Anonymous No.717803080
>>717799814
2 was annoying only at the second island cause of Badboons raping you and the end game area a little bit.
Anonymous No.717803265
>>717796452
Just played IV and it sucked.
Especially the chapter added later where the hero forgives the guy who killed his whole village because uuh he was betrayed too and he liked an elf girl.
Gameplay and story were really simplistic.
Rather grim if this is the best the series has to offer.
Anonymous No.717803796
>>717796452
>I at the bottom
Opinion discarded
Anonymous No.717803852
>>717792746
>It's like eating vanilla ice cream
That's literally the entire appeal of them
Anonymous No.717803926 >>717804279 >>717804347 >>717804834
>>717796452
How is the HD-2D remake of III?
Anonymous No.717804080
>>717791251 (OP)
a.) Ultima completely and utterly shat itself in the name of innovation without good direction, killing that series off hard.
b.) Enix got to keep making relatively safe titles, even if they made evolutionary jumps each generation, and had a highly consistent if not outright growing audience in their homeland versus the actual costs it took to make the games (at least, before XI, not sure how that goes).
c.) By being so safe but now being spaced out in years between each major title, it has plenty of breathing room to not skullfuck itself or self destruction on ambition, though XII is not looking good with its development hell collaborating alongside the whole 'we wanna shake things up' design approach they claim.

You can direct this at Wizardry as well, that series didn't implode the same way as Ultima did but it definitely fell off everywhere outside of Japan because it simply stopped being serviced and got left behind- and then Japan bought it and they've been almost entirely east-side ever since besides the occasional release or the gacha game.
Anonymous No.717804145
>>717792868
>DQ is only good when it has a job system
kill yourself
Anonymous No.717804279 >>717805079
>>717803926
it's fine, like if you're a nostalgiafag or a purist, you're never gonna lean towards HD-2D in the first place, and people still hate its censorship, but it's basically just 3 but fancier and QoL, with extra lore connections to the games that come after for better lore ties. if I had to recommend someone III, it's either me giving them DQ3/DW3 from the NES, the GBC version, or the remake, so hey.

i'm honestly curious what the fuck they're planning for I and II, since the second game is getting a fourth party member of Cannock's little sister, and the first game is so relatively simple that there's gotta be some catch or extra content in there somewhere.
Anonymous No.717804347 >>717807163
>>717803926
Just beat the main game actually. I think it's good. Played GBC version before. Draconian was fun. The new class only becomes busted near end game when you've collected every monster. Money isn't an issue cause of monster arena fights. Don't like how there's objective markers. Not touching post game.
Anonymous No.717804643 >>717805238 >>717805660
Are there even any western RPGs that are still relevant from the 80s/90s besides Baldur's Gate at this point? It feels like despite not being in favor like the JRPG boom of 20 years ago, only the Japanese properties really remained in any capacity.
Anonymous No.717804834
>>717803926
I loved it. I consider it a cool sidegrade option to the SNES release.
t. DQ3 is one of my favorite games either
Anonymous No.717805079 >>717805219
>>717804279
Agree with you on the point regarding DQI. I highly doubt they're going out of their way to give it this sort of full on remake treatment for a game that, realistically, lasts 4 hours
Anonymous No.717805118
>>717792723
Didn't try or didn't succeed?
Anonymous No.717805219 >>717805457
>>717805079
it's probably why they're bundling it with the second game for one thing, but 3 has new content, 2 is getting new content, i imagine 1 could do a number of things like expanding the princess's role, adding some monster collection like 3, a remix of the game world as a post game thing, who knows
Anonymous No.717805238 >>717805326
>>717804643
The Elder Scrolls. Starting with Arena in 1994
Fallout. First game in 1997
Anonymous No.717805281
>>717792586
Oh yes, the Ultima series that sold so well EA was able to devour Origin without the latter being able to put up a fight and subsequently killed them like they do all studios they absorbed. Not to mention the last few Ultima games bombed with the final one being a buggy unfinished mess. Ultima Online is all anybody knows of the franchise now, which sure says a lot when the IP had multiple games and spin-offs all throughout the late 80s and 90s.
Anonymous No.717805326
>>717805238
Okay, fair enough, I genuinely didn't think to care for those two off the top of my head.
Anonymous No.717805457
>>717805219
I wouldn't be opposed to a postgame that leads into DQII, something like how the original kingdom founded by Alef and the princess starts
Anonymous No.717805660
>>717804643
>balldo's gate

That isn't relevant.
Anonymous No.717807163 >>717807302
>>717804347
>objective markers
Wow. Absolute cancer. Way to absolutely spoil the game.
Anonymous No.717807302
>>717807163
you can turn them off