Thread 717838149

>Best Etrian Odyssey game
>Still no HD remaster

>>717838149 (OP)
shouldn't have let the 1-3 remasters flop if you wanted more

>>717838149 (OP)
All the classes in this were boring as hell compared to 3 except for the one that casts the circles

>>717839163
What the absolute fuck are you smoking, 4 is the pinnacle of class design

>>717838149 (OP)
>*Laughs in 3DS*
I have 4, 5 and Nexus as well as Untold 1/2

>>717838149 (OP)
I'm still holding off on replaying it on the tiny chance that they'll announce 3DS remasters next...

>>717838638
The one with all three for $80 outsold u2 pn switch alone in first week, I honestly dunno what the fuck Sega expected to consider that a "disappointing sales"
>>717839163
Very weird take

I hope they make a new one. The bigger screen on the switch 2 will make it easier to have simultaneous map display and it would be a low power-draw game which makes it more viable to push handheld as the intended playstyle.

>>717838149 (OP)
I really wish they kept the class change coupons in the later games. I always get bored in EO having to play 40-50 hours with the same team but 4 made swapping mid playthrough pretty painless

>>717839163
bot poster

>>717839204
4 doesn't have any wacky classes at the start besides maybe nightseeker. I want more weird stuff like Princess and Ninja

>>717838149 (OP)
I only played EO1HD and a few minutes of III and IV back in the day. Why does everyone say they got so much better with 3 onwards?

>>717842062
the first 3 games are full of red herrings, flat out dogshit classes, and noob traps in the character building on top of gay shit like having to level gathering skills. 4 is when they really fixed alot of that

>>717841929
>I want more weird stuff like Princess and Ninja
Dancer is weirder than Princess

>>717842227
>red herrings
What do you mean?

>>717838638
I bought all of them, individually, two for full price, this shit ain't on me

>>717838149 (OP)
It isn't possible to remaster DS games.

>>717842062
Class design mostly, 1 and 2 the classes are almost all really straightforward and boring, 3 onward they start being unique hybrids with multiple build options

>>717842992
Do the dungeons and encounter design change much?

>7 years
>still nothing
it's not happening anymore is it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0T_zIR9m60

>>717843846
Random enemy design is very noticeably improved. Enemies start to get more gimmicks so they aren't all just doing fairly basic attacks.

>>717838149 (OP)
Etrian iv gets shat on by fatlus landwhales all the time

>>717843846
Dungeons no
3 has less levels per dungeons, and 4 even has less but got sub dungeons
Untold games played with dungeons a lot trying to make them more interactable, especially u2

Encounters are way more fun in 4, 5 and nexus thanks to insane class synergy, and starting with 4 all enemies have "fuck you" skills to prevent players from spamming auto battles

>>717844028
Nah. Be happy that the IP was gatekept, newfags and zoomtards are not interested in picking up EO and now they will never be.

EO wonned.

>>717844116
Neat. That was overall my biggest issue. That and new classes taking too long to level discouraging party composition experimenting.

>>717844308
>Encounters are way more fun in 4, 5
Then why do so many people say 3 is best?

>>717839163
quite possibly the worst opinion anyone has posted on /v/

I think it's not very highly rated among EOs (I mean it's still an excellent game, just a mid EO) because it's pretty easy compared to the other games. It doesn't even have an expert difficulty. Of course it's probably balanced to be between normal and regular expert, but it's clearly easier than expert in other games.
Of course, difficulty in EO heavily depends on whether you actually play on expert blind (as intended, the game doesn't give you any hard numbers when improving skills for a very good reason), or spoil yourself with optimal party compositions and builds. But I think everyone will agree that it's generally on the harder side among JRPGs regardless. And that difficulty is clearly part of the main draw of the games.
I'm not all that experienced in 4 or other EOs like some posters in the /vg/ EO generals, but I also heard the opinion that 4 kinda "pigeonholes" you into running a linking party. Most players run a landy in 4 and there isn't really anything to invest in at the start aside from vanguard and linking, and then improved link becomes available. And then you have nightseekers and snipers getting multi-hit skills that are ideal for linking. The damage output is hard to pass up, possibly making replays same-y.

>>717839163
4 has very fun class design though, I have no idea what you're smoking.
>>717838149 (OP)
It's coming anon, trust the plan.

>>717844319
that's mostly fixed starting in 3 too.
3 adds a passive skill that gives you 1% of the main party's exp gain per level, capping at 10%
5 and Nexus have an accessory that when equipped gives all characters left behind in the guild 10% exp after combat.
4 has level up scrolls where after the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stratum you get 2 copies of an item that instantly boosts someone up to level 20, 30, and 40.
I don't think the Untold games added any extra way to level characters
Reminds that exp gain is split so as a baseline if no one is dead all of your main party members only gain 20% of the total exp per fight. So 10% is half the normal amount, not 1/10.

>>717845669
What I personally sorta dislike about 4's classes is that you can subclass most classes to have TP regen (bushi surge, fortress' damage->tp, arcanist tp regen on ailment), devaluing precious early-midgame amritas. I didn't like that about 3 as well with a lot of classes having regen and dark ether + mystic calm being a thing, 3 even has basically free amritas from stratum 2 onwards. I think that careful TP management on harder bosses can be challenging in a very fun way.

>>717846364
You don't unlock subclassing that early and there's nothing wrong with being able to have skills that can restore TP. Investing in skills like this is just another option for TP management and build decision making.

>>717844703
Dunno, lands outside of links has separate two weapon trees with very high damage
The only true class that feels forced to do everything the same everything you llay would be dancer, because sword dance passive with nightseeker subclass lets you hit 8 times per normal attack(not counting follow ups from counter attack assist dances) with stun effect and any alliement/bind you put into dancer weapons, and buff dances just can't compete with that
Nightseeker also is better with poison+spreading throw passive than building him around landy links

Is the a dungeon crawler game where I don’t have to make the characters by myself?

>>717847349
what do you mean "make the characters by myself"? the potraits or the skills? because i'm pretty sure the point of dungeon crawlers is you customizing your characters's skills

>>717847349
Game with premade characters?
Dungeon travelers

>>717846638
>there's nothing wrong with being able to have skills that can restore TP
That's what irks me. I feel that TP should be a very finite resource per dungeon run. If you have TP regen, you can basically fight forever, which shouldn't be the case because fatigue is a thing. Well, that's obviously just my opinion. But I fondly remember that quest in untold 2 where you had to kill like 7-8 really meaty FOEs within a few hours to get the best result. You couldn't just splurge all your best moves but you couldn't take too long either. That one was really fun on both my runs of untold 2.

I FUCKING NEED HD REMASTERS OF 4, 5, and NEXUS REEEEEEEEE
ALSO NEW EO

I've played so fucking many DRPGs and none of them compare to EO

>>717847463
Yeah I mean premade characters like >>717847471 mentioned. I like to customize the skills etc but I want a bit more stories of the characters I control

>>717838149 (OP)
le millonem girl

It's so hard to go back to 4 after playing the following ones, mainly because of the speed options they have.

>>717847483
TP restoring skills don't negate TP management, anon. They're typically conditional ways to help extend TP pools and so on. If the player wants to try and design a party for long outings then that's fine but that means putting points into TP restoring skills that could be spelt elsewhere. Nothing about this should really irk you, it's just more build opitons. As the series went on, the random encounters started to be designed more heavily around skill usage so giving the players ways to extend this is a nice thing.

>>717838149 (OP)
>Best Etrian Odyssey game
That would be 2U or 5 depending on your taste
Best party customization? 2U
Best dungeon design? 5
They both have flawless class design

>>717844703
It's one of my favorites and there's plenty of people that love it, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Also I actually feel that 1 is far easier with how basic it's random encounters are. And no, 4 does not "pigeonhole" you into using a landy link party, I have zero clue what you're talking about there or where you even got that from. Link landy parties can be good but there's plenty of other good party compositions. In the 3 playthroughs I've done, I only had one run with a link landy.

>>717847602
>I want a bit more stories of the characters
EO is not your game. This game has zero story. Your characters' stories are whatever you kae up for them in your mind

>>717847908
>That would be 2U
Opinion discarded, only tourists liked that disgaea reject. It's worst selling eo game for a reason
Also
>flawless class design
>in the game with legendary titles
Come on, anon
And even ignoring that, a lot of shit that should have been baseline, was forced further into trees. Fuck, harbinger played like shit without auto armor at the start, and half of skill removing miasma entirely was pure cancer(thank god nexus changed that to just removing turns)
3 classes competiting for the adds slots was pretty bad too

>>717848106
It's 1 autist parroting a zoomtard youtube video. it's not even good bait.

>>717847080
Well, maybe if you rest the landy at some point, you could invest in the other tree, but that one is only available past level 20. Before 20, linking is basically the only thing on the menu for landies.
>poison+spreading throw passive than building him around landy links
Oh that's true, poison and spread throw are great for random encounters. But with nightseekers, on bosses/FOEs, you either have a choice of trying to do ailment->that high damage on ailment sword skill, or doing the multi attack+landy linking. If you have a sniper you can have him on linking duty. You really can have all three skill options available, at least I did when I had a nightseeker in 4.

>>717847804
Most of the time they are conditional, but TP cost mitigation of any sort is really attractive no matter what your build is, so you generally take it if it's available.
Here's an extreme example: 3's mystic calm+dark ether. If you have a medic along with that, you are almost immortal because you can just cast party heal for 1tp. That's just lame. Adding insult to injury, bunshin makes the entire party's skills cost 2tp.
Yggs are an exception to this because their entire class is built around TP regen since they literally have like what, 60 max at endgame levels? But I can forgive them because they're robots and not living beings.

>>717848106
What I mean is, most people pick a landy. What are the landy's main novice skills? Links, vanguard (for links) and the debuff slash. Once you get to level 20, links are already a good option and improved link pops up. So most people pick that.
>In the 3 playthroughs I've done
You meant 4, right?
But like I said, I'm not super experienced in the series so I apologize if I'm wrong.

>>717844028
Metaphor is what happened to EO

>>717848770
I hope the 4th Dungeon for Metaphor was just a big test for them doing as fully 3D EO game

>>717848770
grim

wish the EO games were playable by todays standards

>>717838638
Maybe they shouldn't have sold them for EIGHTY FUCKING DOLLARS with Denuvo, missing fonts, and fucked up UI.

>>717849032
What standards?

>>717849157
non-retro, modern standards

>>717849193
What standards?

>>717849149
>with Denuvo
It was on Steam with no Denuvo for the first couple days

>>717849227
accessible for everyone

>>717849305
Shameful attempt at baiting, dumb troon.

My cat died suddenly one night when I was playing eo 5 and I haven't been able to play the games again without thinking about her and getting really sad
So I guess the fourth stratum of eo 5 is the end of my journey with the series even though I liked it alot

>>717848763
>Before 20, linking is basically the only thing on the menu for landies.
No?
Dunno why you would even lie like that

>>717849268
Thanks to a based intern who saw how expensive they were on top of Denuvo so he "accidentally" released denuvo-less files so every pirate could also play.

>>717838149 (OP)
loves it, the presentation ia fucking top notch, the world map being kinda like a dungeon was pretty fucking kino
didn't complete it tho, I made it to the pupa boss on the extra dungeon, applied all the canisters as the instructions told me, and killed it, but it turns out that shit does not die, it evolves and then instakills my party
after that I didn't play more
also, I didn't want to reset my characters and have to grind all the way to lvl 100 again lmao

>>717849268
>I may have kidnapped your daughter, but I didn't rape her for the first few days

>>717846278
>3 adds a passive skill that gives you 1% of the main party's exp gain per level, capping at 10%
That's sti-
>exp gain is split so as a baseline if no one is dead all of your main party members only gain 20% of the total exp per fight. So 10% is half the normal amount, not 1/10.
Okay, that sounds reasonable.

>>717849394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTgj0fShtGs
I'm sorry for youre loss

>>717842227
>the first 3 games are full of red herrings, flat out dogshit classes, and noob traps in the character building
these were all still present all the way up to 5 just not as bad as the ds trilogy
Nexus is unironically the only balanced one and basically the SMTIVA equivalent for EO
whoever crunched the numbers for those two games should be made director

>>717848763
You, the player, is free to do whatever they want. Using the ninja dark ether setup is optional, if you want to go for that party then do so but it's not mandatory. I've done the ninja/zodi sub before but I've also done ninja subbed as other classes as well. I don't know what you're even complaining about other than "I'm mad because it's possible to build a highly TP efficient party" which is a silly thing to be annoyed over. Just build your party a different way.

I don't know where you're getting statistic that "most people pick landy" but again, who cares? There are countless viable party compositions that can all work, you don't even have to build landy's link line if you don't want to and instead go for sword tempest. And by "3 play-throughs" I meant "three play-throughs of 4".

>>717849394
To be fair, even if the cat didn't touch the arm, it started closing like halfway to the top when the plushy already fell off, so the game was so utterly rigged that the cat didn't even manage to rig it even more.

>>717847602
have you tried reading a book

>>717849423
How is it not? Here's all the novice skills they have:
>Sonic Raid
Leads to linking skills and leverages initiative(veteran skill) since you strike first, but initiative also basically a pre-requisite to good linking
>Power Break/Mind Break
The only real option for not-linking, but why would you debuff every turn?
>Power Boost
Just a +atk passive
>Vanguard
If you invest in it, half the point of sonic raid (striking first) goes down the drain
>Mineralogy/Bandage
Maze skills, irrelevant

I dunno about you, but looking at that list, without planning to save points or resting on veteran stage, most people pick linking.

>>717850140
Okay, I yield. You played through 4 one time more than I did. We're all sharing our opinions on videogames here, and I guess mine isn't as good. I apologize. But I would like to note that I am a fellow player that's played a bit more EO than the average gamer, and I still reflect some collective impression about the games, and this game in particular. I'm glad we had this conversation.

>>717849976
My main issue with Nexus is that despite there being so many classes, I find the party building to be a lot more difficult in a bad way. It just feels way too biased towards offensive frontliners, and trying to fit in supportive or defensive roles is much more of a pain if you don't want to use Medic/Protector/War Magus.

I preferred legendary titles over subclasses.

>>717850769
>but why would you debuff every turn?
Because it scales with shield, let's you not getting mogged after using vanguard(which you pick anyway for intiative) and spamming sonic raid in-between
And there no reason to not get power boost on top of that

>>717851773
Nothing wrong with them on the paper, but shit literally hid skills until you picked yours. So it was impossible to plan something like fencer tank, without external sources

>>717852023
Yeah that part sucked but I think if they just made skills visible before you picked it would be better. I don't think the system was perfect.

>>717852023
They have descriptions

>>717851817
Look, I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE to invest in something other than linking. 4 is actually easy enough for the player to save points for veteran skills without trouble. I'm saying the game makes it hard not to pick linking if you pick a landsknecht, is what I think. But okay, you convinced me. Maybe I'm wrong.

>>717847602
yeah as the previous anon stated Dungeon Travelers is the best at it, especially 1 since every character's scenes build on their respective route in the original VN

similar in that vein there are some 18+ dungeon crawlers like dragon academy 3 that have extensive stories but I don't think they're quite on DT's level

>>717851341
Good news, sovereign and Harbinger are better than all 3 of those.
Protector is arguably as strong or stronger though.

>>717852863
DT2 commits the sin of letting you save anywhere without having the decency to just autosave after every fight. Given how easy it is to just get one shot early on I got sick of fiddling with the menu to save so much. Hated how SMT4 did that too

floof!

>>717854420
:3 touch floof

>>717854020
My problem with them, Harbinger is frontline. So I can't just go with a crazy offensive frontline with a supportive backline very easily, for example. Some classes also take others off the table, if you want to try Hero out you're certainly not using Ninja. I don't know, it just feels frustrating sometimes that certain roles have a lot of variety while others are very limited.

>>717844028
>7 years
If it goes past 9 years then I'll worry.

>>717849394
well at least it didn't die when you were in the third stratum, the graveyard.

>>717847349
Persona Q 1 and 2 would fit that, along with the Mary Skelter series.

>>717854658
>if you want to try Hero out you're certainly not using Ninja.
4 man party

>>717851773
it's okay to be wrong.

>>717854745
>Persona Q
I couldn't get into that and I can't tell if its because I can't stand persona or the game wasn't that good.

>>717854762
Alright, that's true. Still, it's the one game I couldn't find a satisfactory party with in terms of feel. The more basic classes are on the table but it feels like a cop out when part of what I want to do with Nexus is try classes I have little experience with.

>>717852101
>save game
>make choice
>look at skills
>reload game
>pick other choice
>consider skills

>>717855358
Or just
>Let skills be visible without having to reload the game 2-3 times

>>717838638
But I buyed boughtered them. I'm still in EO1 since I reached a point where I should be marking paths on my map and I hadn't been so now I have regret

>>717838638
Not paying 100 bucks for 3 Nintendo DS roms with AI upscaled textures

fuck off Atlus jew

>>717839163
I disagree
Only 1 and Untold are particularly boring
IV had the best iteration of a tank class to date, a fairly interesting buff class, and stellar offense options like Night seeker and Imperial

>>717854658
>Harbinger is frontline
Lolno
Their offense got gutted for Nexus, you're way better off using them in the back line to leave the front open. Their scythe skills are like post 1 shield smite tier. I used backline sov/harb and never minded their lack of offensive contribution because they have plenty of other shit to do.

>>717855509
Hone in your inner autism and make good maps. Map making is the best part too

>>717855875
I remember EO2 Smite being okay, but besides that I have no clue. I just could never find a satisfying fifth between Hero, Shogun, Imperial and Arcanist.

>>717855414
It shows you never made characters just to see the skills, steal their item for starting cash, then dumpster the characters to make real ones.

>>717856223
>Hero
I think the biggest issue was that everyone wanted to try the shiny new class but it's afterimage is weakened by a 3/2 party and most offensive classes were frontliners. It really constrained party building. We also got a bunch of healers and status inflictors (with arcanost/harbinger/wm being overlaps of both roles) but ONE fucking tank class.

>>717855875
they don't stand in front because you want to use their melee attacks, they're in front because they have high defense and you have 3 other squishy party members behind them

>>717838149 (OP)
pic unrelated

>>717838149 (OP)
At least you guys got an HD remaster of the original trilogy. I legitimately think Atlus doesn't even remember Trauma Center.

>>717856721
if the word doesn't start with P it doesn't exist to fatlus execs

>>717855136
The writing is pretty unbearable even as a Persona fan. This was the peak of Atlus milking P4 spinoffs

>>717839250
Best thing I did was homebrew my 3ds. So many good RPGs on that thing, not just blobbers

>>717855136
I liked the game but the writing was generally bad and the balance was fucked. Offensive magic was so bad in that game it made EO2 Alchemists look like gods.

>>717861873
Meanwhile instant kills were utterly busted. As were links. The balance in that game was something else.

>>717862080
Chie early game for boss fights just summarized why the elemental spells were ass and it was funny how early they did it.
>spend about a quarter of your SP for a weak spell, then get another for free, just to spend another quarter on a spell
>vs spend all your SP on a crit buff, then loop power charge boosted crits for the rest of the fight

>>717862458
You don't even get one half the time because you get easily smacked out of boost.

I just beat the "normal" final boss of EO1 HD. Should I do the remaining side quests and finish the dungeons? Trying to remain as spoiler free as possible but I've heard the secret bosses are annoying and not very fun. Not sure if that's true.
I am kind of itching to start EO2 and do some fresh builds so I'm tempted to do that

>>717863001
>I've heard the secret bosses are annoying and not very fun. Not sure if that's true.

If your party isn't minmax the extra stratum bosses are pretty annoying in every EO
The stratum exploration mechanics also get pretty dumb in Stratum 6

>>717863001
Give the next floor a shot and if you aren't sick of fighting the basic enemy crabs within ten minutes you'll have your answer

>>717849394
this is why i have never watched an episode of Family Guy since season 4. was watching the new episode one night and my dad told me our dog was getting put down
your loss is much sadder

>>717863001
Claret Hollows is where the real game begins. Everything before that is just a tutorial.

newfag here. i started EO4 and have played for a few hours
how long until it stops being a struggle? i feel like i am inching along and having to go all the way back to town constantly before making any real progress is killing my boner

>>717863157
>>717863163
>>717863201
thanks, friends. I'll give it a try. It took me a few years to actually dig into EO and play through the first one and by then I'd heard how broken things like immunize and smite are so I feel dirty for having used them a lot. I tried to do side quests without guides so I'm probably super overleveled and between that and just smashing all the default enemies on auto I feel a bit bored and guilty. I want to try and be as blind as possible going into 2 and 3.
>>717863313
ironically, this is my favorite part. I like the beginning where it feels punishing and little trips to get new items feels rewarding

>>717863313
The struggle is the appeal. If you're not feeling it then this series probably isn't for you.

>>717863313
>i feel like i am inching along and having to go all the way back to town constantly

This will keep happening until you get some strong synergies in your party.
If you set up your party for dungeon longevity you can stay out for a very fuckin long time with an Arcanist in your party.

>>717863385
>>717863472
i'm coming from playing SMT4 and 4A on hard until the final dungeon of SMT 4A fuck that piece of shit i put it on normal, so i want it to be a challenge i'm just wondering how long before my trips to town are less frequent
i am enjoying the game so far regardless, this series is one of the reasons i bought a 3DS this year

>>717863863
That usually happens around the second stratum in most games.

>>717863313
The struggle ends once you know how to build your party. If you have a shit party the struggle never ends.

>>717863313
>i feel like i am inching along and having to go all the way back to town constantly
yeah that's why they call it a dungeon CRAWLER

>>717855875
>use Harbinger in Nexus party because I never did in 5 and Ephemeral Reap sounded like top fun
>Harb not only does debuff and occasional status duty but also keeps up in damage with the other damage dealer guys (Highlander, Shogun, Zodiac) really well throughout the game, especially when particularly strong scythes become available through specific enemy drops like those from bosses or FOEs
>breeze through the game with a really nice standard combat flow as well as enough flexibility to take on all the enemies in the way no matter their gimmicks
>beat up dragons and other fuckers in the postgame
>get hard walled by Abyssal Princess
>turns out it's not that Harb is underrated, it's just that my party kinda sucked overall and everyone else murdered her with ease with classes like Hero or Imperial

>>717863001
>I've heard the secret bosses are annoying and not very fun. Not sure if that's true.
if you don't know what you're doing you pretty much need to have a protector for all of them, and you absolutely need a troubadour for one of them in particular. Other than that they aren't too bad, though the final one has a party wide instant death attack that, while inaccurate, can ruin your fight without much you can do about it.

>>717864667
I have to intentionally avoid using Imperial because otherwise I end up trying to build my entire team around the Imperial.

Damage output fucking insane

>>717863001
EO1 postgame isn't all that bad
EO1U postgame is straight up CBT

>>717865039
the dungeon is more annoying in vanilla 1 mostly because the game didn't have enough symbols to keep track of teleporters (also fuck claret hallows)
the encounters in U1 are CBT.

>>717863313
The very beginning can be rough if your classes have weak basic attacks, since that's mostly what you're doing that early. By the time you reach the 3rd floor of the first main dungeon you should be able to handle yourself a bit better.

I don't wanna make a new thread
Are the DS Devil Survivors fine enough or should I wait to get a 3DS to play the new shit in them?

>>717849268
Go be retarded somewhere else

>>717865528
Overclocked is just better

>>717865528
The 3ds re-releases are better

>>717844703
>expert difficulty
Yes it does, that's the standard difficulty. The only reason later games have an expert mode is because every other difficulty is an easy mode.

>>717863001
Claret Hollows is a rite of passage. Do it.

>>717864667
I haven't used Shogun but keeping up with zodiac is no surprise because they're under tuned ( hiding it behind the fact that they deal sizeable damage... every other turn). Calling bs on keeping up with highlander though, they have absurd damage modifiers on everything, their weapons are stronger, and they have higher strength.
>>717864950
Imperial is kinda all or nothing because of you don't build around them they're shitters who die to almost everything while prepping a drive and run out of tp super quick but when you make a party suited for them they are the best damage dealer in the game barring autistic WM/Shield Flare setups. For bosses /FOEs anyway, they're mediocre for exploration.

>>717865528
Rereleases get more content and unlike in some instances it enhances the game by continuing the story. Overcooked in particular unfucks physical builds as well with more options.

>>717867434
How the fuck are you supposed to keep Imp from running out of TP anyway?

>>717866575
Is it worth retiring units? Most of my party is at level 70. Gonna jump back in tonight

>>717868018
>G*cha

>>717869349
well

>>717869324
I'd say you probably want a full party of level 99s that are made from retired 99s(70 is the cap for bonus gained from retire in Eo1)

Maximum stats and skill points possible

>>717869552
Damn. That sounds intense. Now I'm interested. I don't want to have too much planned out for me, but do you think it's worth leveling up a Troubadour for the bonus XP skill? Not sure if that makes a difference at all, but that sounds like a lot of re-grinding it may help with

>>717869672
You can easily grind up in HD by switching to picnic difficulty, lets you spam autobattle and boosts XP gain too.

>>717855509
Wait. I didn't buy the remasters because I thought they have automapping now, can I turn it off?

>>717869829
Am I autistic for not wanting to do that? I don't really mind doing it the old fashioned way. Wouldn't pass on any boost the troubadour class gives though

>>717869892
They have three settings for automap:
On
Off
Full

Off turns it totally off. On does the floor. Full does everything I think

>>717870039
In that case I'll pick them up one some sale.

>>717864667
it's not your fault really
Abyssal Princess is just terribly designed (like most Atlus superbosses)
people running max damage comps easily beating her just shows how rushing her is the most optimal tactic since you don't have to deal with all the bullshit

>supporting HD shitmake cashgrab
They will not make new game.

>>717869672
that anon is talking about eo1u; in the original and hd the cap is always level 70.
Retiring isn't really that good in eo1 so you can skip doing it, unless you need to change what classes you have.

eo4 is the best game in the series because it has stick girls in it

EO3 is the one where status and binds aren't all that useful right? Is it better to build a team just around shitting out damage?

>>717873823
No, status and binds are very useful in 3.

>>717868018
>has the bones to be one of the greatest dungeon crawlers of all time
>is buggy ultra greedy gachashit
Bad timeline. A complete single player would've been unbelievable.

>>717873823
They're as useful as ever, there just isn't a great dedicated status class. Ninja can do some decent disbling though, and Farmer + Arbalist is a creat combo for clearing random encounters.

>STILL HAS DENUVO
>80 dollars
>fucked up fonts
i don't know why people praise this shitty company

>>717874980
?

>>717874980
Wildling is good anon, I can assure of that much.

>>717874916
>A complete single player would've been unbelievable.
then fund it anon

>>717873823
They are, they just decided to make the ailment job not be normal

>>717875096
Wildling is great once you get the elephant, and their roars are not bad, everything inbetween those though is unwieldy and overpriced

>>717875091
>i don't know why people praise this shitty company
The people who praise Atlus literally only care about P3-5 and Metaphor. Fans of almost anything else Atlus makes will usually ahit on them any chance they get.

>>717875446
elephant is all you need so that's fine

>>717839671
There's a game nicknamed Monyuu with a really long title for the Switch that's Etrian Odyssey style.

>>717873823
I thought the only game where that's actually true is 1, and I don't know if it's because they're actually bad or if it's just the classes that use them are bad.

it's quite literally the worst etriams

>>717875685
People will tell you that EO1 Hexer is bad but they're wrong. Hexer lets you sleepwalk through Claret Hollows.
Also Alchemist's AoE poison spell will solo the first two strata.

>>717875496
I mean they did pretty good with Vengeance. Their dlc practice is still scummy as shit, but the game itself was good

>>717844703
>the game doesn't give you any hard numbers when improving skills for a very good reason
Trying to force you to make a good build without giving you the information required to do so is not good design, it just forces you to either tediously test things, look up a FAQ, or unfairly punishes you for not lucking into a good team comp. The actual definition of artificial difficulty.

>>717844703
None of these games are hard. I just finished EO2 HD on Expert with two "bad" classes (Survivalist, Landsknecht) and it wasn't a serious struggle at any point. I honestly don't know where this reputation comes from.
Okay, I suspect it comes from the fact that if you build a horrible doo-doo ass team, you can possibly struggle quite a bit. Happened to me once, admittedly, in Untold 1. But literally every EO has an encounter-reducing skill that tanks the random encounter rate to below 10%, which trivializes the difficulty. Ariadne threads are cheap, so you can just warp out when things get hot.
It's a series of games about finding shortcut-checkpoints, teleporting, and restocking. Comfy games. Listen to a podcast or a history lecture while you're mapping, you can literally do this shit on autopilot because it's just the same repeated actions over and over and over again.

>>717844703
It is really easy but what I particularly dislike about it is the divided up dungeons and how short it is. It's like 70% of the size of 3 which already cut out 5 dungeon floors to do the ship meme, and the airship is even less interesting than charting a voyage. And a lot of that floorspace is wasted on trivial 3x3 mini dungeons.

>>717875235
I kind of want to give them a try but most old discussion seems to think they are underwhelming. Who should I replace on my team with a Wildling then? I've got
Gladiator/Hoplite
Sovereign/Zodiac/Arbalist

>>717875862
is eo1 claret hollows supposed to be hard? I thought the encounters were pretty easy. It's just the mapping that's a pain in the ass.

>>717877915
people who say they're underwhelming read about the game but haven't actually used them. They complain that enemies build up resistance to ailments so eventually in a fight they become immune to them. They ignore the part where you kill the enemy before you even need to reapply the ailment. Like in your party if you took out the hoplite you have a gladiator and arbalest; there's not much in the game that survives them both having 2-5 free turns to unload all of their damage unobstructed.

>>717877915
My team was basically that but Sov in the front instead of Gladiator and the Wildling in the back and it was pretty fun, Once you get the Elephant doing its AoEs you don't want for physical damage.

>>717878076
They are annoying in eo1 with pitfalls and shit, and yes pretty hard
In eou on the other hand, monsters there are pure ball busting experience and hardest stratum in eo history

>>717877915
Either the hoplite or gladiator is what I'd do but removing the arb could also work. Wildling work very well with arbalist snipes because they can setup aoe ailments then let you hit all enemies with a strong cheap attack. Zodiac dark ether is extremely good when used on a summoning turn since the beasts cost a lot of TP. It's possible to use wildlings tiger as a strong counter tank for single target attacks but if you're inexperienced with the series it might be better to just keep the hoplite. You may want to give the wildling some speed books and speed increasing gear/forges to ensure they go before the enemy acts. Eventually you get a spear called the hayakaze which is very good for boosting their speed. The summons are affected by the wildlings stats but not attack power. So strength will make them do more damage and luck for more ailment/bind chance. They take a lot of time to get going so they'll be more restricted in the 1st stratum.

>>717838638
Hey man, they broke the contract by adding titcows to the remake. That's not the EO I signed up for, and it's not the one I want to see continue.

>>717838149 (OP)
I never really finished the first 3 games before. Is it worth it to get the HD package or should I just mod my 3DS and play Untold 1-2 and 3?

>>717879765
3 is better in HD, thanks to qol improvements and Untold games are very different from first two outside of story

>>717878409
>>717878684
>>717879280
Alright I'll try getting rid of gladiator then. I'm guessing the dismiss skill is worth investing in for TP refund?

>>717838149 (OP)
is this the one where you can actually see your party walking through the maze and physically fighting mnonsters?

>>717881267
Not really, it's way too easy to accidentally kill shit before the dismiss goes off and wildling needs all the points they can get for their passive and to even just unlock their good summons, plus if you're running a zodiac you should already be getting dark ether which accomplishes the same goal but way more efficiently.

>>717881267
Dismiss can be good but there's some things to consider. If you're using dark ether on the summon turn, then dismiss won't do anything in 3hd (in the original 3 it would actually give you back the cost despite not spending any to summon). Another issue with dismiss can be not getting it off before the rest of your allies end the battle. Knighthood can be good for ensuring it goes off immediately though. Without knighthood, you need to simply consider to turn order of the rest of the party. Even if you do have dark ether, you may not always be in a situation to use it on the summon turn so dismiss is still good to have imo.

>>717881267
It'll save you some TP here and there while doing random encounters even at 1 point, good value IMO.

Want to run ultimate weeb party in nexus
Who should be remaining two classes outside of shogun/ronin/nin

>>717881998
Nobody. You fill the rest of the slots with Ninja clones.

>>717879352
Oh please, we tolerate your lolishit, you can deal with a few more chesty girls. We've coexisted since 3, just accept it already.

>>717868302
While exploring? Just use wide edge. In boss fights? By killing the boss so fast that tp is irrelevant.

>>717881701
>dark ether
Ah right makes sense. I was already anticipating some heartbreak for failed dismisses so that's a relief

>>717881998
>Hero/Protector front row
>Shogun/Highlander, Swift Stance Ronin/any and Ninja/Medic in the backrow

>>717881998
You can change portraits to whatever you want so add a Tiger protector (fits thematically) and another Shogun portrait for a sovereign.

I want to finish 5 to knock out my 3DS backlog once and for all. What's the most painless party set up to get through the last 2 stata?

>>717883494
3 Impact Pugilists, a Shaman and a Botanist.

>>717883540
Oh, and make sure that Botanist is a Celestrian.

>>717838149 (OP)
It feels like ass playing the remastered versions without a DS/3DS stylus.

The only god one was the I & II the final plot twist of the first was amazing, the III & IV was so boring, the Sea and Sky exploration was so unnecesary and they force you to explore it to unlock important stuffs. the untold also are good cuz appear my wife Frederica

>>717875647
No, it isn't. It's standard Experience drpg slop with a shit artstyle.

>>717847908
>Best dungeon design? 5
Right. The game that went whole hog on corridor > puzzle > corridor > puzzle after 2U which also happened after which PQ1 plagued the devs with that atrocious dungeon design.

>>717865749
Anon. He's right. The steam version literally did launch without Denuvo - they actually patched/reuploaded the Denuvo'd versions after the original ones were immediately bought + downloaded + uploaded for pirates.

>>717882174
>We've coexisted since 3
and it looks like it'll be until there too

>>717849537
>it evolves and then instakills my party
That's just phase 2 out of phase 2.
Many players killed it below lvl80 (with retirement bonuses), lvl100 is overkill. And unsurprisingly, it's the easier superboss other than sleeping Star Devourer which can be outright oneshot by a Pug.

>>717838149 (OP)
Amazing soundtrack by Yuzo Koshiro. Very sunny and comfy vibes like out of an idyllic American 70-80s educational TV show.

>>717875647
>>717884338

How is gameplay?
Are bosses designed around you using status effects like in eo, or they are immune/have sky high resistance like in other drpg?

>>717885009
>switch 2, unsupported
>it's actually from experience
Well, that kinda answered my question

>>717885009
Etrian Odyssey bosses in the 3DS era are less designed around status effects (in most cases) and more novel in that you're allowed to use all of them throughout the game, and resistance piercing means are readily available. It's hard to balance around Panic making the boss a training target for a random amount of turns, and the Bind cycling afterwards, because in most of the games that's 4-6 turns of unimpeded blasting which is more than enough to kill anything that moves with your glass cannon party. Is it balanced? Kind of, since sometimes your stuff wears off early and you eat shit horrendously, but overall, I'd say not really.

>>717876870
It's considered hard because you have to actually think and plan ahead. Hitting the enemy's weakness and healing your party is all that's needed in most RPGs, while in EO that usually means a wipe even in random encounters.

>>717885392
He's asking about Monyuu.

>>717876870
>I just finished EO2 HD on Expert with two "bad" classes (Survivalist, Landsknecht)
People really shouldn't take that LP as gospel. EO3 was beaten (horribly) with a 5 Farmer team for example.

>>717885750
What was the gameplan with 5 farmers? I can only assume they had to be subclassed with halfway decent classes.

>>717886121
My guess was:
F/G F/G F/H
F/M F/Princess
Then I looked up the Abyssal God clear and it was F/H F/H F/S F/S F/G. Gonna be some strange shit going on here.

Himukai's modern art style kinda sucks tbqh

>>717885750
People need to separate what's bad and what's unusable. For as bad as those classes are, they don't make the game unwinnable.

>>717887009
I think most people would consider a party of 5 Farmers unusable against Abyssal God. The rest of the game I can grant.

>>717885750
>EO3 was beaten (horribly) with a 5 Farmer team for example.
Let me guess? /Shinobi? /Shogun? Cool. You did it in the most generic way possible by not even using the actual Farmer

I HATE GRIMOIRES I HATE GRIMOIRES

>>717888345
Grimoires could be salvaged if they were just shoved into an actual class, gib etrian BLU pls thx

>>717885750
All I remember of EO3 on the 3DS was that my main party consisted of the following:
>Front: Gladiator / Sovereign / Arbalist
>Back: Zodiac / Farmer

Though the Farmer in my main party weren't there for their Binds. No, they were there for supporting the rest of the party via skills like Earth's Bounty and Waste Not, mostly Playing Possum in battles and pretending not to be there, only to Slap Awake anyone that happened to die during the fight.

>>717888493
Wait, not Gladiator, Hoplite. Hoplite was just there to tank hits (as they do). Forgot what secondary class I gave her though. Sovereign had Monk as secondary class and Zodiac had Ninja. Don't remember what Arbalist and Farmer had, though Farmer was probably also Monk secondary or I just left them as a pure Farmer.

I need your strongest etrian memes

>>717889482
I'm tired and I have no new games, not even the EO3U I always hoped for. I think it's time for me to say goodb- even when you're leaving F O E

>>717889482
I have a lot so I'll just dump

>>717889482
There's duplicate text protection now with a hefty cooldown so maybe I won't dump that much

>>717889482
Another good one

any games similar to etrian odyssey? i need my fix.

>>717890676
People usually recommend nis labyrinth slop

>>717890904
>Spends 100 years fighting the deep ones as his sole focus
>Is doing this to save the world
>Remembers he has a sister
>Immediately quits to elope with her
What the fuck was his problem?

>>717891035
yggdrasil mind rape and robot faceplatejobs

>>717838149 (OP)
Not everything needs a fucking remaster. Just emulate it or play it on your 3DS.

>>717838149 (OP)
I never have the attention span to finish these games. I got to Molten Caves in 3 a few months ago and my party has been collecting cobwebs there ever since. I also have unfinished saves on EO:U and EOIV. Why am I like this?

>>717891549
It takes a special kind of autism to complete these games like that one guy who 100%d EO5 on Expert within a week, before the paid dlc was even on the eshop.

I still haven't played Nexus but I'd still rather replay 4 and the Untolds on classic first but then what if they're going to release remasters of the 3DS games for PC too...

I never finished nexus.
and I didn't stop halfway, I got to the final superboss and never bothered reworking my team to actually beat her properly because I was completely burnt out with the game at that point.

>>717895649
I did the same thing
it was kind of boring for a send-off game

>>717896316
The biggest issue really was half(?) the game being the same tileset shrines with the same boring gimick that just felt like a slog.

>>717895649
There's another superboss after her anyway. Nexus devs went full bullshit for the final challenge.
>haha you thought Star Devourer was too easy? Check THIS bullshit!

>>717838149 (OP)
this was nice game i kinda completed it and farmed some black dragon. imperian had fun design where you needed to charge for like 2-3 turns before doing any damage )))

archer was nice too with arrow rain spam. and i dont remember any other jobs.

>>717838149 (OP)
>best
>gimped main difficulty making every FOE, boss, and postgame boss a joke
>caves are pathetic little rooms
>main labyrinths are small with barely any original or unique gimmicks until the end where everything opens up
>has the worst sound quality out of all the 3DS EOs which is a fucking crime because the OST is fantastic
>half-assed the 3D
>dragon battle theme doesn't loop properly
Nah.

>>717897056
You will never be a woman

>>717895649
The problem is it was based/picked by japanese polls, and everyone knows they have dogshit tastes for everything, which made the dungeon selection boring as fuck

>>717898501
But dungeon selection was great...
Only party members sucked(who the fuck would want protector as tank)

>>717891495
I hate this.

>>717895649
same
having to farm to make certain comps for a superboss is straight up bad game design so I just didn't bother with that retardation and I could easily tell there was going to be no good reward for beating that bitch
atlus really needs to stop with their dogshit superbosses or just hire someone to turn into actual fun fights

>>717884858
damn, I fucking suck lmao
maybe someday I'll replay the game and finish my unfinished business...

>>717901765
You won't

>>717851773
Legendary titles just gate the progress

My favorite is either 3 or 5. I just like interesting classes.

4's classes feel standard and feel like they streamline you into one style of play.

The minidungeons and world map were also lame and felt like padding. In 3 the sailing was a fun side thing.

is there a game like etrian odyssey but with guro/ryona?

>>717902957
>In 3 the sailing was a fun
b8
>My favorite is either 3 . I just like interesting classes.
>4's classes feel standard and feel like they streamline you into one style of play.
Wildling, elephant...

Also, considering 4 was first time in history of series they did tank and mage differently, while in 3 it was mostly same shit you saw in previous games and in low quality wizardy clones, you are obviously baiting

>>717902238
I will, I just have to end my Vita backlog and then I'll jump back to 3DS

>>717838638
I buyeded it.

>>717903250
Why the fuck would you even ask this? Did you really think one would exist?
Labyrinth of refrain/galleria

>>717898645
You're crazy. 50% of the game is shrines, 40% is first or second stratums. No stratums from V, with the absence of the Fetid Necropolis especially baffling given the story of an ancient battle, and none of the highly visually distinct and iconic fifth stratums aside from the Lost Shinjuku cocktease where the salads live. You cannot imagine how much I deflate every time I get to Ancient fucking Forest in mid game.

>>717906369
Nothing wrong with ancient forest...

>>717906779
It's more emblematic of the overall issue of the game. It's just very lackluster in missed the mark in many aspects.

Dragoons look really cool. Specially the eyepatch bitch. Wish they got more art. That is all.

>>717906369
Pretty sure there were no EO5 stratums because EO5 isn't set on the same planet as all the other EOs are

>>717910646
>>717910952
Did NOT mean to reply

>>717910883
Sure but who the fuck cares? Nexus had EO5 classes and enemies, why not stratums too?

>>717909208
I honestly don't mind lack of 5th stratums, and the only really bad one they brought back was sandy barrens anyway, and even that was fitting enough

>>717910883
this is also why etrian 5 has no returning enemies and everything was all new

>>717911407
My only gripe with EO5 -though it's not the game itself much it's the fact theres nobody that seems to play it on youtubes an such. >-<; kept trying to get that exp ring but I unno how to do the puzzle

>almost 24h old
That's kinda pathetic
Sorry
>op

>>717863001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxJXEidpWzc
It's not that bad

>>717891495
I don't like this at all...

>>717906779
By itself? No. In the middle of a long game with a bunch of other first and second stratums? Absolutely.

>>717910883
That's a flimsy excuse they could handwaved for the sake of fanservice. The lore isn't robust enough for this small discrepancy to matter, and as the other anon said there's classes from V anyway.

>>717912137
EO lives on purely through contempt
It doesn't make things easier for the fans that it took Metaphor's success to get an Etrian Odyssey song to feature in a live Atlus music concert

>>717912826
Sadly haven't made it to 2nd stratum in any EO but V and.. *gags* EO Mystery Dun.. *blaaaaaaarg* geon. D: I have played games like it though like pokemon, SMT an such.

>>717869971
You do not need to reach level 99 to beat the game. Just getting level 71 with one initial respect at 70 is well enough. 99 is for complete autismos. That's over a thousand levels per character. Switching to picnic to grind is GAY and defeats the purpose if you're on expert.

>>717912137
Why is a long lived thread bad?

>>717913335
>It doesn't make things easier for the fans that it took Metaphor's success to get an Etrian Odyssey song to feature in a live Atlus music concert
I don't pay attention to Fatlas outside of Etrian; what is this about?

>>717913406
99 retires are for people who desperately want to make their gimmick party work.

>>717913481
They do have some absoawoouetly good games outside of Le Dank Soulsborne stuff and Armored Core though owo; imo.

>>717913481
There was a metaphor dungeon that was a big Lost Shinjuku callback that included a new arrangement of the song and FOEs

>>717854692
What? Why? In that time frame they released almost all other Etrian games.
You dingus.

>>717838149 (OP)
Fuck remasters. Just give me the cancelled FM arrange album. I'm still pissed.

>>717838149 (OP)
Incorrect, eshop tourist.

>>717912137
/v/ is a slow board now. /b/ 2.0 days are long gone

>>717913481
>>717914021
The entire island is a reference to EO1. The town is called "eht ria" the pub name is the same too and there are some other references I probably forget

>>717914342
What was his fucking problem?

>>717851773
I prefer Grimoires to both

>>717914847
Nah you are gay

>>717912887
Those were fucking bullshit.

>>717914847
2U's grimoires are good but 1U's system can die in a fire for all I care.

>>717895649
I just cheesed her with NS damage after proccing panic.

>>717914117
>Gun build is pure shit
>Sword build is just gladiator but worse
They did my man dirty

>>717911407
Lamia would like a word with you.

>>717855654
>AI upscaled textures
It's the original assets dumbass, the ds textures were scaled down

>>717916096
he has some hot gay porn though

I hate these games because the difficulty forces very specific class combinations but at the same time wants you to cover all the elements and debuffs to get drops from enemies. Healing is just very limited and unreliable in the early game.

>>717916939
They're not that hard until the postgame strata. You can deal with most of the main game with creative usage of team synergy, provided you didn't select a godawful team setup that makes no sense.

>>717916939
Healing is free in the early-game. Just use Medica. It's that easy. It's more annoying later, but I always find this kind of complaint confusing, because naturally you should build a party that can cover the basics, which usually includes a way of sustaining yourself. You don't need a dedicated healer for that in most of the games either.

>>717916939
>I hate these games because the difficulty forces very specific class combinations
Anon you may just be shit at team building. I've cleared EO3(including the superbosses) with a team of five Farmers. The games aren't really hard unless you make a team with horribly synergy.

>>717916939
i 100% completed etrian 3, all enemies killed and all items gotten, with a solo hoplite

>>717913406
I beat Ur Child at the usual 71 and then grinded my whole party to 99r99 because I have autism and wanted number to go up. I'm not going to touch 1 or 2 again anyway.

>>717917463
H/N for Abyssal God, I imagine.

>>717917536
The only way to solo AG is with Tagen Battou, so obviously yes.

>>717917603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CJvnZkwbLw
Y/Z.

>>717917743
I stand corrected. Holy shit.

>>717917792
Hoplite could probably adopt this guy's Prophecy killing methods too, but I dunno. That's why I asked, who knows what crazy shit people have come up with.

>>717896607
>>haha you thought Star Devourer was too easy?
honestly having played eo5 a couple times i have absolutely no idea what i was doing wrong to make this not the case. people online say its simple, you can fight it fair, etc. but all my attempts at a fair fight with my regular teams ended with me getting btfo pretty easily and not getting to do much damage, so i've always had to use easy kill strats. maybe i just suck st teambuilding lol

>>717917987
If you don't want to instacheese it you need a way to deal with the parts quickly and effectively. Either way it's hard to keep up with him so most teams are going to aim to clear him in around 10-15 turns. I can't remember if there are some good stall comps that can deal with everything he dishes out consistently and reliably.

If I beat the abyssal god in easy difficulty, does it still count to prove myself as a worthy gamer?

>>717917536
yeah i did h/n, but desu i just copied this guy's strats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q_YhT_Sd84
it was a fun yet tedious playthrough. there were a couple bosses where i just chipped away slowly for a literal hour, anemone in particular was a nightmare. cool to know literally everything was possible though. lucky hammer really helped with the items, i dont think a solo 100% is even possible in the other games unless you grind the fuck out of formaldehyde

>>717918319
No.

>>717918319
No.

>>717915898
I don't get the hate for grimoires. The only instance where a grimoire is maybe necessary is the soreverign buff clearance grimoire (I forget the skill name) you get from a chest before you fight the Juggernaut. Other than that, grimoires are just a fun random bonus to your usual skills, you're not meant to have the best of the best normally. I cringe irl when I read fight strategies begin with "ok so use wolf pack and...".

>>717918543
More tedium in actually getting them in addition to the RNG aspect. Also downplaying the classes' actual skills once you get shit like Wolf Pack.

>>717918543
It's just a matter of getting them. 1U makes it so awful. It's frankly not that great in 2U either, what makes it tolerable is Project Valkyrie.

>>717918652
Kino.

>>717918617
>>717918629
But that's what I'm saying, you're not suppposed to get the best grimoires on a normal playthrough. You are supposed to use the random ones you get while playing normally. You think that guild card digit shit is supposed to be a mechanic you discover organically? It's just there for people who are really desperate to 100% max the game.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/46754848
Good, old times
Modern etrian fans won't understand

>>717918950
King Grimoires are another thing entirely, but what you're saying in 2U amounts to "you might as well not use the system meaningfully". This game's bosses have a ton of HP so you really want that extra edge on at least your fucking damage skills. You don't need everything but the system is horribly random, especially given the every 5 breakpoints for important extra effects on skills.

>>717918543
I don't like grimoires because they tie your party building to RNG. With subclassing, you can look at all the skill trees and plan out exactly what you want. It's not about being optimal, I just hate the RNGy uncertain nature of them. The second name system in V also was fixed and not based on RNG so I like that as well. The grimoire system in 1U was absolutely atrocious but 2U did improve it a lot. It's better than having no extra skill system at all but it's easily my least favorite system. It's like how in Wo Long they tied martial arts to RNG based weapons. I just hate having my move-set in a game come down to RNG.

>>717916313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WYRQXrn7YM
It's not the same without the BGM interrupting everything you're doing.

>>717919202
NO MORE GAMES! kinda hits different...

>>717838638
It's not my fault I can't afford money.

They should just release an Etrian Odyssey sex gacha game where you can have sex with the girls.

>>717919259
Kek but also sadness

>>717919629
They already tried similar approach with u2, it bombed

>>717919885
>it bombed
Thank god. It's nice to see a company try something retarded and get blown the fuck out by the actual players. Similarly to what Nintendo tried to do with Metroid.

>>717907206
Cute!!!

I wonder what the un-castrated Japanese dialogue correctly says.

>>717838149 (OP)
>Best Etrian Odyssey game
That doesnt look like III??

>>717920381
>lyrics

>>717920491
Cope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyNTH5K1Tuw

>>717920381
>>717920681
Why are you posting the worst super arrange album for the series??

>>717920774
>worst super arrange album
That's still 3
Lost all soul from albums of first two games, without getting anything worthwhile

>>717920774
That's not EO2's Super Arrange.

All super arranged is shit.

>>717876870
The only "bad" class you listed there was Survivalist. Landy is quite potent but it shines in a specific team comp.

>>717918319
No, but it means you're worthy enough to try a higher difficulty.

>>717920381
>>717920681
I don't like this. It lacks the elegant simplicity of the ingame tracks.

Wildling bros, what are you supposed to do with this class in the first stratum? She's just sitting in the back row attacking for 5 damage with a dagger because even the cheapest summon is 15 goddamn TP. I use roars sometimes but they also cost a lot for normal battles.

>>717920864
>That's still 3
Dilate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziMPUrJCbYE

>>717921497
Class just kinda sucks in early-game random encounters. You could probably just say the class kinda sucks, cause it does. Debuff + summon is pretty decent in FOEs, though damage is lacking.

>>717921529
>lyrics are so loud and forced, that you don't actually hear a pretty good labyrinth theme
Yep. still the worst one

>>717921497
Primal Drums. That's it. Otherwise, there's no way for it to not be tp-intensive during earlygame until you get Dismiss Beast.

>>717921497
You're supposed to get Dismiss asap and try to use it before the battle ends. But yeah, Wildling just kind of sucks early on.
Also spears do full damage from the back row, dingus.

>>717921497
Either get dismiss or have a zodi go right for dark ether. You'll have to get a good feel for turn order if using dismiss. Everybody has constrained TP in the beginning but Wildling does have it a bit worse since their summons are very costly. If you give them a spear, it'll let them hit for full damage in the back but it'll also make them a little slower since daggers are faster.

Anyone else playing this? Thoughts?

>>717921592
Nah, they're good, they just take longer than other classes to get going. Their tree is just very SP intensive.

>>717905709
Do you play it docked or handheld?

>>717922117
Obviously you can clear the game with a Wildling but they're in the bottom end of the cast for sure.

>>717921957
>>717921714
>Also spears do full damage from the back row
Is this actually mentioned anywhere in game? I was looking through the shop at different weapon types and all I can do is guess from their descriptions. Obviously guns and crossbows are ranged but the starter spear is literally called "Short spear" so that just confused me more.

>>717922281
Yeah, an NPC in the tavern tells you all about these things in every game.

>>717922281
Takes some getting used to since this game's also the one to introduce spears. No, the Boar Spear doesn't count for EO1 and EO2.

>>717922175
I don't have an exact ranking list but they're very good, I can say that much.

>>717922007
I tried this and hated it. It completely misses the point of what makes EO engaging. The exploration sucks because the strata are so tiny, and because they've all already been explored and are full of trainers and a gym leader each. You're not exploring virgin territory, you're just treading the beaten path. Instead it tries to focus on story but the writing is terrbile. it's the kind of writing you get from a teenager who's never seen any media exept isekai anime. I dropped it once I beat the first stratum and it straight up showed me that the final stratum was the Cyclopean Haunt, completely removing any satisfaction I would have gained from discovering that myself. Absolute trash game.
It's a shame, because most of the regional variants it adds are pretty cool.

>>717923042
>You're not exploring virgin territory, you're just treading the beaten path.
That was case in every single EO game outside of ironcially 4 and nexus

>>717884695
>zoomers have no reading comprehension skills

If I don't like jrpgs but I like dungeon crawlers with strategical depth, and challenging gameplay will I like etrian odessy?

>>717921714
>>717921957
>>717921592
>>717921497
You just need a single point in the useful summons and then you max out wild mastery. Alternatively you max out both Roar/Drums first and then do the above build.
Character stats at this point are so close that Wildling with a decent spear can contribute meaningful damage by attacking normally.

>>717923567
Yes. This series is literally for (You).

>>717923567
Yes, the depth starts to show around the third or 4th stratum

>>717922175
>the bottom end
Drums, Roar, all three binds, panic, sleep, etc. They just have a "bad" early game

>>717923567
Sure.
The dungeon crawling aspect is fun and there are a lot of build options that lend themselves to lots of potential team compositions. I don't really know what you consider challenging but EO is harder than most JRPGs but easier than old school dungeon crawlers like Wizardry.

>>717921529
based music lover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y8vThtoB_8

>>717912887
they're back

>>717923567
No, games are pretty mid as far as dungeon crawlers go, with atlust focusing more on making it more noob friendly
Try dungeon travelers, labyrinth of refrain(surprisingly adult and mature despite cute visuals), or even stranger of the sword city instead

>>717923595
>>717923662
>>717923716
Ok, thanks anons, and between 4 and 5 which one should I start with? What does dungeon design, bosses, and class mechanics better?
Don't care to much about story

>>717923932
>Labyrinth of Refrain
>challenging gameplay

>>717923948
both of them are kino , flip a coin.

>>717923948
4 is the only one without an HD remaster and has some QoL every other game is lacking as a result. It's also the easiest game in the series. I think 5's a better game in just about every metric other than music probably.

>>717923748
see>>717920774

>>717924064
V is not harder than IV and this user is parroting the same opinion over and over (autism).

BE AWARE, ignore his opinion and play the one you like the most.

>how

The cover o algo

>>717860101
Name some. I literally can't think of anything I'd ever want to play on it. I mostly use mine for NES roms.

>replaying 3 back when the hd collection released
>Olympia summons her gay crocodile
>summon tiger, insta-kill it first turn
>fight the ant queen while under-leveld
>clearly not going to win
>summon tiger, insta-kill it at like 80% health
>fight kraken later
>tiger tank goes down mid fight, summon again
>insta-kill at like 50% health
I'm telling you, the murder tiger is fantastic. It deletes random encounters, bosses, FOEs, and can be used as a tank + strong blitz command attacker. Oh and it can dish out very high damage against late game bosses multi-hitting psychical attacks. That feeling of getting like 6+ tiger counters off in the same turn is glorious.

>>717838638
I wouldn't fault anyone for not buying the remasters with that pricing. I have no fucking idea what was going through Atlus' head with the EO collection.

>>717923948
I like 5 more but I'd start with 4 since 5 has more QoL and a bit more obtuse class/race system. Just because it's the easiest doesn't mean it's some game you can just faceroll though

>>717924394
This is the company that charged $10 extra on all their 3DS games.

>>717924332
Isn't that a bug? I vaguely remember cheesing sea bosses with an animal.

>>717921497
You grit your teeth and bear the absolutely shit early game while you build towards Call Elephant and Call Owl. By the end of 2nd stratum your build should be online and you can drag your nuts across the game's face for the rest of the playthrough barring sea quests and post game.

>>717924512
Some bosses don't have complete instant-death immunity.
Hellion from EO2 and EO1 Golem are prime examples.

>>717923932
>dungeon travelers,
Pedo bait
>labyrinth of refrain
First 10 hours all you get to do is auto attack.
> stranger of the sword city
Experience slop.

>>717924929
>>labyrinth of refrain
>First 10 hours all you get to do is auto attack.
For the entire game, that is mostly the case, outside of a couple of Covens with particulalry good Donums, most of the good Donums being ones that set up your auto attackers.

>>717924512
you can cheese sea encounters with tiger because the rng first turn always has the same seed. so certain ones will always die to tiger first turn. I think that was changed in hd however.

Not counting the extra dungeons. 5 is unironically easier. Brawler hits like a truck and binds everyone and everything, doubt you can even make a bad party in that game. Meanwhile you can fail the DPS check on the last boss in IV.

But i actually played the games instead of watching a youtuber

>>717924512
No, a lot of bosses and foe aren't actually completely immune to it. You're probably thinking of the Scylla sea quest where you control the rng to have the npc insta-kill her every time, which is useful for leveling a single character up to a point. Wildling's passive for increasing ailment chance is also really effective. I don't know how the math works exactly but I think it like partially ignores resistances or something.

Does the HD version of 3 allow you to use Shogun/Yggdroid from the beginning?

>>717925195
I played these games before you were even born.

>>717924929
>First 10 hours all you get to do is auto attack.
Outside of bosses, auto battles were so widespread in 3, that atlus litterally added abilities to normal monsters to force people be careful in following games
Just saying
Criticizing auto battles, shouldn't be an argument in eo threads

>>717925195
>Meanwhile you can fail the DPS check on the last boss in IV.
Imagine having tanks or healers in your party LMAO

>>717925256
>I played these games before you were even born.

I hope not

>>717925195
>you can even make a bad party in that game
Shaman generally meh in a lot of parties
Party with dragoon, necromancer and rover

>>717925227
Nope

>>717925408
If you're younger than EO1, it's true.

>>717925227
No
Same with secret classes in first game

>>717903250
What other anon said is right, Refrain/Galleria is your best match. As someone that loves both Etrian and Refrain I couldn't get enough.

>>717925484
>>717925498
Naturally.

>>717925653
Who is the mage!!?

>>717925590
The combat is like 90% auto attack though

>>717925357
the tank flatness improves the party morale.

>>717923932
How the fuck can anyone recommend labyrinth of refrain and fucking stranger in sword city as better than EO, let alone fucking good dungeon crawlers is beyond me.
What is wrong with you?

>>717926409
Considering all they had to talk about was the story, they probably got filtered by EO and are coping.

>>717926446
SoSC doesn't even have a good plot though. It's retarded isekai bullshit.
It has awful gameplay, awful story, and mediocre art. It has literally zero saving graces.
From LoR you could at least get a fap or two if you're into misery porn and/or you're yuri tranny.

>>717926409
NIS waggies

>>717925885
That's generally only a complaint from people who are bad at the game.

>>717926820
There are like 5 Covens with relevant Donums out of dozens.

>>717926409
Because after you have finished every Etrian game you branch out to try other dungeon crawlers, and while they might not be as good they still scratch the same itch, the joy of exploring a new dungeon.
>>717926935
So you don't know how to play the game, got it.

>>717927183
That's rich coming from somebody who never bothered to compare the damage.

>>717863001
EO1's postgame stratum is outright hostile to the player in a way that you don't really see in the latter games, or many games produced outside of really old or niche RPGs.
As in, the developers weren't thinking:
>How can we further escalate the complexity/challenge of the 6th stratum in a way that is in line with 1-5.
And instead, they were more like:
>How can we explicitly design the 6th statum to tire out the player, annoy them, and waste their time
They were on some Wizardry 4 shit at the time probably.

>>717927183
>he joy of exploring a new dungeon.
W I Z A R D R Y 8
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>>717925296
At least you have the option of using spells/abilities in eo.
In refrain, you have jack shit for a long time.
>Because after you have finished every Etrian game you branch out to try other dungeon crawlers,
You branch out to try good stuff not a story focused dungeon crawler with shit party building that only becomes r better way later.
Play dark spire, strange journey or paper sorcerer, anything other then refrain.
>>717927183
>So you don't know how to play the game, got it.
No argument, as usual for nip scum.

Can't you not see the pits in EO1 Claret Hollows? EO1U Claret Hollows is infinitely more tolerable for that alone.

Dungeon Crawler CHADS I need your help finding a game.
It was an old japanese game, most likely a doujin game. In it you had the MC, and could hire a selection of NPCs to join your party per dungeon delve. Only one NPC at a time.
I distinctly remember one of these NPCs being a girl with four boobs and an axe. She might have been a minotaur, I'm not sure.
The game was all in japanese so I don't know anything about the plot, or even what it was called, but I distinctly remember it not being porn; or at least not having porn at any point for as far as I was able to get before the language barrier filtered me. It was a first person dungeon crawler, and the overworld menu was very Windows 2000ish. I know this is a long shot but goddamn that game has lived rent free in my head for probably over 15 years, maybe 20.

>>717927764
In EO1 if you fall through the pit it's a mild inconvenience. In EO1U falling through a pit sends you to the depth dancer hell.
Isn't it funny how they named B28F "Explorer's abbatoir"?

>>717927542
Already did Strange Journey and Paper Sorcerer, Refrain's better. It's entirely possible to like two dungeon crawling games for different reasons.
>No argument for nip scum
>Implying etrian isn't also nipponese
Using buzzwords invalidates you from being worth the time anon.
>>717927764
EO1 didn't show pitfalls, and didn't even give you enough icons on the map to properly chart them, though sensible people would just draw walls along the path. EOU are over hated despite their big quality of life adjustments like that.

>>717920774
Here it is, anon, your (You). Open wide.

>>717928098
You can see the pit so you shouldn't fall into it.

>>717928172
Well there are two pits that you should fall through because one leads to a gathering spot and other to the dragon clone.
Or you lit up the torch and you're running away from the FOE.

>>717838638
>Re-re-release
>Worse than the re-release
Er, no. If that's their plan, the series SHOULD die.

DS/3DS smt/eo tier list:

Elder God tier:
>SMT4

GREAT tier:
>EO2 untold, SMT4 Apocalypse, EO4

Good tier:
>Soul Hackers, EO1 untold, EO5, EO Nexus

Meh tier:
>Those faggot Persona spinoffs, Etrian Mystery Faggots

>>717927764
they're unmarked and the first person view makes them appear like normal tiles, wizardry style
However, on that floor with a million pits there are passive foes walking the safe path so you can simply follow them.

All in all a relatively friendly and easy postgame compared to a certain Aquaplus game.

>>717928630
Also in good tier: Devil Survivor 1+2

>>717926820
It was my impression for the demo at least. Donum skills drain your resources quickly and do just a smidgen more than regular attacks.

>>717928037
lost media

>>717924193
Radiant Historia
Etrian Odyssey series
Devil summoners 1 & 2
SMT4/A
Soul Hackers
Fire emblem
Xenoblade
Bravely default
Stellar Glow
Ever Oasis
7th dragon
Alliance alive

>>717925221
>I don't know how the math works exactly but I think it like partially ignores resistances or something
From what I remember it's added on after resistances are applied, so it's just a flat +15% inflict chance to anything that isn't completely immune.

for me it's
Strange Journey>Etrians>Dungeon Travelers 2>Stranger of Sword City(I like the soundtrack)>>>everything else
maybe 7th dragon is good haven't played

As example in EO1U most bosses except for yggdrasil core are not immune to instant death. However they have 1% instakill resistance and on top of that 90% chance to block the infliction so effective chance is about 0.1%. So you're kind of wasting your time trying to instakill boses.
However most FOEs have 10% instakill/pertrification resistance and some of them it's honestly easier to instakill than try to defeat legitimately, especially the postgame FOEs like the turtle or the lizard.

>guaranteed blindside if alone
>immediately tackles and instagibs one of your frontliners
what the fuck were they thinking?

>>717928796
That's because your amount of MP is based upon how many party members you have in the Coven, and you haven't gotten fuck huge yet from crafting your own gear. There's also the fact that when selecting passives you may not have selected the most broken shit in the game.

>>717929694
>maybe 7th dragon is good haven't played
Play them.
NDS is good but also full of jank.
2020 and 2020-ii for PSP are rife with anime tropes and fun and stylish.
VFD is basically a downgrade to the PSP versions.
Yuzo Koshiro composed for all of them.

>>717929823
"This will make players suffer."

>>717921497
Primary item user. Medica, oils, whatever you need. Other than that poke with her pointy stick for 5 damage.

>>717927318
Yeah, I started exploring floor 26 last night while trying to get a few other classes ramped up and I was like damn, they're really trying to mess with me. The ironclaw crabs that take next to 0 physical damage and the blood cells that can petrify are definitely obnoxious to deal with. Really haven't seen anything like this thus far outside of the 5th stratum rollers + sleep plants that will sleep the party and take forever to kill. I have no doubt it will be tedious. I'll probably have to rest some of the team and respec because I mostly focused on enabling long trips and hp/tp regen and I don't think the team will be able to outlast these mobs or stay for long periods of time now that I'm at level cap and can't rely on levels as a crutch

>>717838638
i boughted tho

>>717923885
guess who's back
back again

>start eo2
>halfway through stratum 1
>bored, pick up octopath 2 instead
should i just skip to eo3? this whole game design philosophy of "FOE's are way fucking overpowered the first time you encounter them and give zero fucking benefits, so just play the game like they aren't there" is fucking ass

>>717929823
punishment for filling your frontline with squishy damage dealers instead of heavy armor chads like landy and protector who can tank the hit

>>717930724
Try 3, 2 is the only one where they don't give exp. They're supposed to be hard, avoid them at first and then try fighting them again after a few levels. You generally need good strategy to beat them.

>>717930724
No, if you don't like FOE puzzles you don't get this series and probably won't enjoy yourself in further ones. You can brute force them when you're annoyed but figuring them out is like half of the fun.

>>717930878
>instead of heavy armor chads like landy and protector who can tank the hit
they get ohko'd too you dingus. it's literally just the blindside that really fucks you over, if you had time to get front guard up it wouldn't even be a big deal.

>>717930959
i have good strategy, i cleared them all out to make an easy path for my gathering team. it's just stupid that i put in all this time to work out how to accomplish that and the reward is "piss on your own face"

>>717930974
what fucking puzzles?
>oh, hey these foes go in a six square loop
>oh, this FOE chases you but you can just ignore it and it'll stop
>oh, this FOE just straight up blocks the path. kill it or die

>>717931064
no, they don't. I used both in my last playthrough and they can survive.

>>717931139
They still drop items that's used for gear so fighting them isn't compelely pointless. I also think it's just fun and a good way to test how well my party works. I'd recommend getting some skills that halt or lures their movement, it makes getting around them easier.

>>717863001
It's all of the tedium and trial and error bullshit of Wizardry clones at full power topped off by the worst kind of Simon Says "I will wipe your party on X, X+4, and X+8 turn if you don't do this specific counter" boss design. But I did it last year because I'm autistic and have a hard time dropping games.

>>717931336
i'm not struggling to get around them. they're trivial to avoid. i just don't understand why the fuck you would design the game like that. eo1 did not build the game presuming that i was just going to skip every FOE i came across until i was overlevelled

>>717928630
Put Seisou no Amazoness in GREAT tier.

>>717931424
>eo1 did not build the game presuming that i was just going to skip every FOE i came across until i was overlevelled
EO1 states that you better avoid that first FOE or die. It only forces you to fight FOEs for the 4th Stratum boss's gimmick. The series is in fact built around the presumption that you avoid the orange blob of death until you're strong enough.

I fight FOEs when they're still red cause momma didn't raise no bitch.

>>717925590
That's hot. Any doujinshi exactly like that scenario?

I can think of this official Bad End Etrian one as something similar.
https://exhentai.org/g/1501452/2430a8b8cf/

>>717931557
yeah, that's what games always say, and then they reward you properly for overcoming it anyway
the deer in eo2 give fucking gum hides 90% of the time, assuming they drop anything

>>717931424
What's not to understand? They're just powerful enemies that you're meant to avoid. 1's FOEs were far easier but from 2 onward, they become much more threatening.

4 is the only one I beat completely and did all the content for. Maxing out my characters was fun.

I couldn’t get into any of the other games because they didn’t share the amazing class system and overworld.

>>717925417
Dragoon + Necro or Rover work fine together. The actual anti synergy is Necro + Rover.

>>717931396
i gave in and looked up the map when i got to S6F4 and it was just another brainless trial and error map. floor 2/3 was kinda fun once i realized i could track the FOEs to map it out, but every other part of the eo1 postgame was so fucking tedious

>>717931718
It's not like you want to casually tussle with FOEs while exploring anyway. Fighting an FOE is something you usually need to do with full resources unless you're overleveled. You only do it when you want to bypass the puzzle.

>>717922175
nah man, the summons like elephant are comically overpowered and can make dangerous bosses a joke
Bottom end is like yggdroid

>>717931915
yeah that's fine. why are they powerful and pointless to fight? just put a fucking wall there, it serves the same purpose

>>717932027
again i ask, what puzzle? are you guys seriously having your brains bent by the task of "don't walk in front of the monster"?

>>717932110
Now I really want you to get to EO2's 5th stratum. You should keep playing it.

>>717931396
>>717931994
I'm kind of in the same boat. I've been mostly good about being spoiler free but I've glanced at maps and quest guides now that I'm post game. I feel a little tired of my party and being spoilered so now I'm thinking I might just slog through guide assisted so I can finish it out.
I think that's part of why I want to move to EO2 so badly and start fresh and unspoilered as much as possible.
I will say the setting of claret hollows is awesome, though. I was genuinely unsettled at how stark the contrast is and how music is when I arrived. That's kind of my primary motivator to finish out

>>717932110
If you only played like EO1 and EO2 then the FOE puzzle thing is in its infancy, in untold games it gets much more complicated like having to push a running away FOE through a portal or having to dodge and scoot homing missiles to weaken a boss.

>>717932048
>pointless to fight
Have you ever heard of fun? Some people pllay games for it and not because they're expecting some reward.

>>717932262
>it gets good after you've beaten 90% of the game

>>717932043
yggdroid is fine. Their class attacks are mostly bad but they have very good base stats and passive skills, so you can focus on those and use subclass to give them a good attack.

>>717932048
Well no, a wall is not the same thing at all because it doesn't move anon. The point of killing FOEs is as followed: for fun, to test your party, to remove them as an obstacle, for their drops, and/or for exp. 2 is the only game that removes the exp benefit and is unique in that regard. If that bothers you that much then either go to 3 or 2U on classic. Most EO fans don't like the no exp for FOEs in 2 to be fair because it doesn't make sense but that's just one of 2's weird quirks.

>>717883898
>It was actually our world/Shinjuku the whole time!
It's crazy that anyone thinks these kinds of twists are good.

so is that a yes? EO2 is the worst of the series and i should skip ahead?

>>717932790
real gamers don't skip games

>>717932790
You just have shit taste and a retarded outlook and this clearly isn't the series for you
>vtuber shit
Yep, go and stay go.

>>717932790
Well it's worst in the series if you don't include the spinoffs. For what it's worth EO2 is bad but it's still better than Persona Q or Strange Journey.

>>717932110
FOE become more puzzle-like as the series goes on but "puzzle" might not be the fully correct word. It's more like each FOE has a gimmick that makes you consider how you're exploring. Like in 3 for example, the third stratum as these areas with Mother Dragon FOE all over the place. They don't chase you normally but if you run into a battle, they start to move towards you on each turn. The thing is, there's these rooms wheres there's tons of them and not much room to navigate, so whenever you run into a random battle, you need to make sure you end it really quickly. So then maybe you take encounter reducing skills to help reduce the risk of running into a random battle while right near one. It's that sort of thing. It adds tension to exploring as you learn how each FOE behaves. The early stratum FOE are usually the most basic ones that simply just chase you or move in a set route but you get more gimmicky and puzzle-like ones later in the series.

>>717932790
The worst of the best.
The vitruvian man vs The Mona Lisa.

reminds me i still need to finish 3 and Nexus
>>717928796
donum gets pretty strong later in the game, the issue is decent mage pacts are either limited or rare
it is still mostly going to boil down basic attack, mage coven uses donum and tanks slap fortify every turn though

>>717932790
1 is the worst imo, 2 has some weird quirks but I still like it more than 1 overall. 3 is far better than both however. If you're not enjoying it, skip to 3, you can always come back later if you end up really getting into the series.

>>717838638
Shouldn't have them garbage then.
Retarded cope, 1-3 remaster shouldn't have costed more than $35-$40

>>717933268
i would say that i am really in to the series. i 100%ed eo1 and was very much looking forward to eo2, and was just kind of surprised on sunday to realize i didn't want to play it

>>717932320
I enjoyed EO1 as much as I can enjoy a Wizardry style RPG, but the last stratum left a sour taste in my mouth and I haven't started 2 yet.

You know I never thought I'd give Atlus of all devs credit for this but the PC ports of the remakes are basically flawless. Perfect borderless window, unfocusing pauses the game and music, DS4 controller works without needing Steam or some other tool to emulate an Xbox controller. I feel bad enough about pirating it I'll probably buy 3 on the next Steam sale

>>717933608
they're straight up ideal on a steam deck

>>717926820
This is such a retarded, empty retort. Building around auto attacks is literally the fucking meta of the game.

>>717933608
I can say the same on the switch side. Games look bright and crisp and clear. Controls are good. Mapping with a controller is much better than I thought it would be. $80 is still an egregious price tag I think but the port itself is very strong.

>>717933664
How do you handle map drawing there? Full controller, touch screen, or configuring the track pads (or something else)?

>>717933878
NTA but on switch I just use controller. You just use a shoulder button and the joysticks to control the pencil and place icons. It's actually pretty smooth and intuitive

>>717933878
you could probably use touch screen pretty effectively if you had a stylus, but i'm very used to just doing it with the controllers at this point

>>717933735
People who insist on using auto attacks only play on easy and are retarded, checks out.

>>717932790
All Etriams are good.

this thread reaching bump limit is proof that interest in etrian still exists, and that more info about etrian next will be revealed very soon

>>717935519
>insist
>fallacy
You lack reading comprehension. Concession accepted.

>>717935519
No, I beat the entire game on Hard as soon as it was available and I mostly used auto-attacks. You're just coping hard to make it seem like the game has depth when it really doesn't. For what it's worth, it does relative to a lot of other DRPGs, but not Etrian.

The Next Stage

Threads like these are a miracle in the see of shit that /v/ seems like most of the time. Good thread everyone see you next time

Even the guy who made the speedrun route will tell you that Donums mostly aren't useful and it's a flaw with Refrain.

>>717936314
stfu