Thread 717986893

What are your thoughts on Verso?

Fucking hate his lying treacherous two faced scumbag ass and dropped a grand piano on his head.
One of the best vidya characters ever, amazing.

>>717986893 (OP)
Once you become suicidal and and are fully committed to it then it makes everyone else’s life on the planet pointless and expendable as other people only matter while you exist so everything you do in your grand suicide plan is justified even if it drags everyone else on the planet down with you.

He's just like me, punished, mysterious, and with a wicked sense of humor.

>>717986893 (OP)
not even a real person, he's literally just paint

I don't play Gen X slop with millennial writing.

Is the implication supposed to be that the real life verso also wanted to die and that he killed himself on purpose in the fire?

>>717989537
Its possible. Aline Painted a new Verso so she could live out the fantasy of the family being in tact. Even there, Verso grew to resent it and she likely made him as accurate as possible. Then there is Renoir's Visages, which is Verso and it speaks of the pain he masks. Verso is just a mopey guy it seems. I don't think he died purposefully in the fire though, it would undermine the whole premise of the setting, the family and their grief if it was saving Alicia and then deciding to just let himself die.

>>717989537
No, painted verso hates that real verso was imposed on him and has no feelings that he is anything like real verso. It's why the painted family behaves differently from the real family because they still have the connections but are not the same personalities.
Painted verso also feels he has been robbed of a genuine life due to his immorality and also ensures that he can never be real verso.

>>717986893 (OP)
He was right.

I think he's right

>>717989537
Not really, but it is implied that real Verso was very two faced and duplicitous, never understood by anyone and conflicted in his ways just as his painted copy is (Aline is the absolute best painter after all). Aline paints an incredible copy of him that is just as mysterious, deceitful, but also kind and loving. Meanwhile Renoir painted him as the axon of masks who always hides his true emotions in layers of lies. They don't give many examples to showcase this, but the main one is how he painted a wonderful canvas for himself and his family to play in, but he really preferred music.

>>717989832
>was very two faced and duplicitous, never understood by anyone and conflicted in his ways
he's literally me

>>717986893 (OP)
He killed my boy

>>717986893 (OP)
He mostly did nothing wrong. Also arguably the best written character in videogame history

So do you think Ben Starr will get the win at the Game Awards this year?

>>717986893 (OP)
my FUARKING HERO

>>717989468
You couldn't name a game with better writing.

>>717992654
Why didn’t he just find a girl who actually wanted to have kids?

>>717986893 (OP)
Couldn't care much for his gameplay or story

>>717995380
I don't know man DMC style turn based gameplay was pretty fun

>get hit once and rank resets to shit
Worst party member.

>>717992654
the world was fake anyway

His ending is the objective correct ending. I didn't really choose it for Verso, but he was a proxy for Renoir. I feel bad for Renoir, having a mentally retarded daughter who'd rather LARP instead of living her real life.

>>717996093
Real turn based with timing mechanics is by far my favorite type of gameplay, I meant Verso skills and gimmick never inspired me, I neglected him in both of my runs.
I just ended up Stendhaling my way out of everything anyway.

>>717986893 (OP)
Did nothing wrong.

>>717989537
No. He died because he saved Alicia. The painted family is nothing like their real versions.

>>717996323
>genociding an entire world because you feel bad for muh puhpa

>>717996759
They're not real people.

>>717996323
All burnt disfigured daughter who is almost blind, can't speak, and is responsible for her brother death. If I were her father, I'd just want her to be valid and happy. Which she can be in her fake world.

Alpha chad gigamogging soistave

So happy that /v/ finally realized that Verso is a retard and my cute + funny wife Maelle is objectively correct, and that her ending is OBJECTIVELY better for everyone (except Verso but fuck him).

>>717996830
Honestly even if we were part of a simulation I wouldn't resent our creators if they had to shut us down.

>>717996992
How is Maelle cunny when she’s a legal teen?

I still don't get why people chose Maelle's ending. It was clear that she was going a little crazy and would end up like her mother

>>717997320
maelle ending is the choice of children/man-children like >>717996992

who never experienced grief or losing a parent

people who are about 33 years of age absolutely pick verso and have the family back together

it's one of the greatest aspects of the game IMO, if you play this as a child like maelle you might not get it so you pick maelle

>>717996123
>getting hit

>>717997481
>maelle ending is the choice of children/man-children
It really is.

>>717997320
I chose it just because I was curious to see what would happen. I didn't agree with Maelle, but I wanted to see what she would do once she had what she wanted.

>>717997915
>>717997481
And drug addicts, don't forget that
Maelle promising Renoir "just a bit longer" knowing full goddamn well she was never going to leave is textbook addict behavior. It was painful to listen to

Why is painting Verso a young boy? Did he paint this canvas a long time ago?
Is that how canvas magic works, you have to trap a piece of your soul inside at the time you create the painting?
They say that's the last piece of Verso left - did he not paint anything past age 10?
Aline went into that painting in order to spend time with Verso and feel his presence, but painting Aline doesn't hang out with painting Verso?
He just sits inside that little dark room by himself forever?

>>717997320
Mostly Verso hate by fat feminists

>>717998218
its a metaphor

>>717998218
its his childhood canvas where he and clea played and made francois and goblu and esquie etc

>verso
>I don't want this life. Help me
>maelle
>I don't want this life. Help me
they're the fucking same, you shits. The only difference is that God has the responsibility to look after His creations.

>>717998135
That line sealed the deal for me too.
What I still liked about the whole ordeal was that I got where Maelle was coming from. She wasn't a completely unreasonable person. And I'll be damned but every single character was written like that. You might not agree with them but you still sympathise.

>>717997481
Reddit spacing

>>717994504
>He mostly did nothing wrong
kek

>>717998639
Go back

>>717998536
Maelle wanted to live the rest of her live doing magic heroin and force Verso to play the piano.
Verso wanted his family to move on.

anyone got cane.mp3

>>717998794
verso's last words were
>help me
not
>save yourself
you cuck

Guy is a compulsive liar, afraid to trust anyone

>>717998858
>Wanting one thing means you can't want another.

>>717998536
The only difference being that Verso was thinking about people besides himself. He was looking after the family of dead Verso.

>>717998957
trying to qualify the entire game about him trying to kill himself as "saving his family" sure is a fucking stretch, considering it was one scene where he doesnt' say a fucking word.

>>717998536
>Verso
Isn't allowed to kill himself
>Alicia
Could kill herself to be done with it

>>717998996
yes, and maelle is thinking about gustav and lune and sciel

>>717998218
Yes. That is why you can explore the manor and find toys that resemble creations in the canvas. Verso and Clea painted it together as children. Francois and Esquie are both their childhood imaginary friends turned into living beings withing the Canvas. Francois was literally just a pet rock.

>>717986893 (OP)
A liar and a thief

Got no answer yesterday but Alicia flying painting definitely looks like some kind of vulva right ? At least the clitoris. Not to mention she invites Maelle inside for a duel to "play with herself".

Gustave was just cooler, felt like a downgrade. They should have killed one of the women.

He's kind of self indulgent innit.

His mother loves him so much she goes insane and can't live without him to the point of being a junkie.
His sister loves him so much she goes insane and can't live without him to the point of being a junkie.

He slept with every woman possible including the two hottest in the game.
He ended up being crucified in both endings and suffering for other's behalf.

it blew me away how much of a gigachad verso is, not only does he die to save maelle, he does the same thing again in his painted form too

I also love how he is introduced and everybody hates him at first but he earns people's hearts

I read a lot of fantasy books and the writing here beats slop bestsellers like Sanderson

I think about Verso from time to time, what a character, you wonder if you ever really know the real verso since you never actually see him except in maelle's memory, since this painted verso might be Aline's portrait of him

11/10 game and it's legit one of the highlights of my life to experience this story, I haven't felt so invested in a video game ever, and in a movie, maybe in the LOTR movies when I was very young

>>717999078
People that are only there because of her mother doing the same thing she is attempting to do. Besides, everytime Maelle defends her actions its just because she doesnt want to go back to being a mute burn victim.

>>717999540
clearly their motives dont matter because verso's only motive is to fucking die. And it doens't matter how gustav, lune, everyone came into existence. They exist and it's God's responsibility to take care of them.

Crazy how hard FF7 Rebirth mogs this game

>>717998831
i like to think aline just painted his cane to be extremely loud for some reason

>>717999643
It turns her on

What is a male painter called?

>>717999476
>went in completely blind
>Gustave dies
>literally thought it was a classic bait and switch and he would be O MY RUBBER NENd back into existence
>he doesn't
>this new guy replaces him, even taking his weapons and place in the party
>ok
>he's lived in the world a long long time and has connections to the people of it and expands the lore in a unique way
>start warming up to him
>by the end of the game I grew to care deeply about the tragedy of his character and picked the Verso ending while crying like a faggot
>now one of my favorite vidya characters literally ever
He is MASTERFULLY written, and Ben Starr killed it.

>>717999759
A paintressor

>>717999759
a-a painter?

>>717999638
Crazy how hard it fucking doesn't. Lmao even the turn based combat is better than FF7Reslop

>>717999759
paintman innit

>>717998561
Maelle is a GREAT character, anyone would be fucked up by having a real childhood and then ANOTHER childhood and the memories of both rushing back to you.

She is childish at times because she is a kid. She is far from perfect and you love to see it.

Also Sciel was done dirty because she looks derpy in many cutscenes (maelle looks gormless too like a doll in some), but my god I fell in love with her. What a perfect woman man, she's got her problems but she accepts her fate and is loyal to her husband that she immediately dumps verso lol. But she's still great and very receptive of people around her and what they're going through. Best girl.

>>717996759
Life keeps forcing cruel choices

>>717999929
>loyal to her husband

I like him but can someone tell Ben Starr that pretending to be gay is only funny the first time

>>717999789
there's not even a video game I can think of that even compares to the story here honestly, this shit is game of the decade already

one can only hope they dont butcher its legacy with bad sequels

Why do french girls sound so sexy?

>>717999476
>it blew me away how much of a gigachad verso is
>since this painted verso might be Aline's portrait of him
That's the point, he is an idealized hero version of Verso painted by his grieving mother. He is impossibly heroic and selfless which is why being trapped between a world he can't save and his sister he can't save is torture to him

>>717999961
yes, even dead, just the fact that he might be brought back makes her immediately cut verso from that prime sciel pussy (and you just know she does everything in bed to make you happy <3 sciel)

What was with those enemies named "Clair Obscur"?

Did he give a good performance?

>>718000703
Only second best under Serkiss, but easily better than his Clive performance.

>>718000601
Clair Obscur is a painting style using light and dark colors

>>717996323
>I feel bad for Renoir
>But don't feel bad for all of Lumiere, all of the previous expeditions, Gustave, Lune, Sciel, Esquie, Monoco, all the gestrals, all the grandis
>Don't feel bad for the teenage girl who had her life irrepairably ruined and was treated like trash by her family
are you missing a father figure or something and seeing a man with a somewhat deep voice and a position of authority made you fall for him completely

>>718000703
It's Clive 2.0 but at least Verso is a more interesting character.

>>718000757
Going by some interviews I've seen you can tell how much he adored the writing in the game, especially with Verso. He is a huge JRPGfag after all

>>717997320
Choosing Maelle ending either indicates you didn't pay enough attention in the game and just chose it to be on the Who's side in Horton Hears a Who, or if you paid a LOT of attention and understand what the game is trying to say about the meaning of art and creation, and also were not swindled by Verso's endless lies and fake charm into forgiving his inhuman crimes.

>>718000601
One is dark and the other one light, and some are half and half.
>those designs
>that theme
>that fucking jump in difficulty when you meet the Clair Obscur near the top of the monolith just around a hidden corner
But really an excuse for kinoest fight.

Goblu is 100% a creation of Clea right? Just like francois. He is on the manor wall so he is def. one of the kids' creation so either verso or clea.

I find it very sad that francois and goblu have had centuries of missing Clea their friend and creator

this shit really hits hard man

the floating graveyard with the nevron that asks you to basically kill it and wonders about its existence etc. this fucking game is riddled with existential dread but not done in a cheesy (lolsodeep) way, it's geniunely heartbreaking

also I want Clea to step on my balls and spit in my mouth

Does he deserve the win at the Game Awards for best soundtrack?

https://youtu.be/4FIMsKKvBRM?si=VxckR__DRshblwbC

>>718001210
What kind of being creates a bunch of conscious life and then just abandons them to make sense of their reality on their own, sheeeeesh

>>718000836
just like versos hair.... whoa

>>718001439
I wouldn't blame anyone for picking it as best vidya OST and there is basically zero competition this year.

>>718001598
Actually, like all of the Painted Dessendre's. Ever noticed they're all black and white color schemes?

>>718001439
Yeah. Its got alot of unique tracks, sounds very unique especially in the vidya world and the competition this year is nonexistent.

>>717986893 (OP)
>What are your thoughts on Verso?
PLAY THE PIANO

>>717999540
>Besides, everytime Maelle defends her actions its just because she doesnt want to go back to being a mute burn victim.
This is mostly a problem in the game's design and gameplay flaws rather than the writing. The cutscene before you get to choose the ending for some reason takes place FROM Verso's perspective, justifying his point of view well and showing how he is right to care about his mother, while not going at all into Maelle's reasoning.
There is plenty of reason for the player to side with Maelle, but it's only explained by her during the final boss fight AFTER the player has made their choice. The two characters have a full argument during the battle where each makes their case and shows what they are fighting for, but the problem is the game's difficulty is so botched in the late game that every player will end this final battle in one turn and skip all the dialogue. This means the last thing they see in the ending is Verso making a good point, while Maelle just looks like she is going insane at the fear of losing everything. The presentation is one sided and the gameplay flaws mean players won't read any further into it than "Verso is right and there is no reason to choose Maelle".

>>718001439
Yes there's no competition and if it weren't for DS2 and Kojima's dick being lodged firmly in Geoff's mouth I'd say there's no competition for GOTY either

>>717986893 (OP)
He may be the most French male lead i've ever seen in vidya
A lying treacherous snake, but by the gods he's charismatic.

>>718002337
DS2 has less chance of winning than Rebirth did last year. DS2 would be in for storytelling/direction, and E33 is cleanly in the lead in that aspect too. Atleast with Metaphor/Rebirth/Astro last year as the front runners, they are quite different at what people get out of them

retarded westoid normies who think grief is the most painful thing in the world side with Verso
true philisopher-chads who value life know Maelle is morally correct though.

Thoughts on this lad?

>>718002938
correct which is why reductionism is their only response to the philosophical dilemmas of destroying the painted world. I have never seen a single person defend the destruction of the painted world without making oversimplified and obviously uncertain assumptions and only taking those assumptions into consideration.

>>718003338
whooo

>>718003338
wheeee

>>718003338
The absolute GOAT. Writing a character like this is not easy and could easily come across as tumblr worthy cringe, but they made it work. I think Verso's point of view is reasonable and he is right about Alicia, but betraying Esquie and lying to him is too much to ask for so I will likely never do Verso's ending.

>>718001210
>>718001535
It's basically just your sibling outgrowing you and finding her own friends instead of spending time with you. Babby Verso even alludes to this in one of the fading boy conversations. Pretty relatable if you have an older sister.

>>718003404
There are plenty of good reasons to support Verso's choice but any time someone says "the canvas world isn't real so it doesn't matter" to justify it, I just know they are lying to themselves to avoid facing the moral challenge of the ending to make it easier on themselves.

>>718003557
Esquie knows. He's Verso's cuddly toy which is why he's "the strongest creature in the world" and always 100% behind whatever everyone tells him. He was literally painted exactly how a little kid sees their emotional support plushy

>>718003338
>Esquie shows up for the first time
>"great, a fucking Teddy/Morgana... there goes the writing for this game"
>25 hours later
>"Want a hug?"
Yes Esquie... yes I do... love that big oaf

>>718003736
Yes, Esquie and Monoco are both fully aware of what Verso plans to do and are basically forbidden from going against him. But they both show that they do really want to live, and they deserve it, but they would never betray their master.

Which ending would he have picked?

>>718003928
>forbidden
They want to live, but also probably know that the soul of Verso being forced to paint/keep the canvas alive is also a terrible fate

>>718002938
>>718003404
>sameniggering this hard

>>718003557
>the part where he explains to PVerso that even though he looks like the real Verso that Esquie knows has died, he loves PVerso anyways for different reasons
>same but different. "Cousins."

Fucking beautiful

>>718004121
>Delusional madman obsessed with controlling the world to create a utopia
He would side with Maelle, 100%.

>>717986893 (OP)
Verso...had a hard life.

>>718003557
Esquie and Monocco not only understand PVerso but accept his decision and embrace him in their final moments. They were okay with it. They knew that is what the real Verso would have wanted. True bros

>>718003668
Exactly, ultimately you are faced with the dilemma of a tortured God being used to keep a world of his creations alive while his family suffers. He ultimately has ownership of the domain and the right to destroy it, but the moral dilemma obviously still exists. Do the people agree to sacrifice themselves for his peace or does the God continue to struggle and suffer for the peoples well being? I would think westerners would side with the latter given their religious roots but instead they take the secular view of dumbing a nuanced piece of fiction down to a realistically simple computer simulation as a way of sidestepping all moral issues.

Clearly an author would write a story in such a way that all apparent moral issues are just easily dismissed. That's obviously what the writer was going for. The same author who in an interview literally described the moral dilemmas of Gods creating worlds in unconventional ways. But nah she actually doesn't have an interest in these topics, she decided to write about computer simulations with fake people instead. I hate these dumb motherfuckers so much.

>>718004128
When Esquie and Monoco hug Verso I got choked up

>>718004121
>Compulsive liar who betrays his allies, acts like a hypocrite, and believes he's the only one who knows what's right for the world
He would side with Verso, 100%

>>718003338
Best character

>>718004345
>people hate Verso for betraying everyone
>no hate for Esquie and Monoco
I get not hating Esquie for it, he's too simple-minded for it, but Monoco? Golgra should have killed him while she had the chance.

>>717998218
It's a metaphor, all art is a reflection of the artist at the time they made it. Early Picasso is not the same person who made Guernica, this just throws in a fantasy element of there being a tangible "shard" of a soul that can be interacted with directly instead of just an impression of one person's mind at one point in their life. Verso's a little boy because this is his childhood canvas, something he made when he was quite young with the help of his sister, maybe he made other canvases in his life but this is the only one left

>>718003338
the best of all possible worlds

>>718004653
I'm not sure how you mean but Monoco was the family dog that Verso painted in a friend in his canvas. He was always going to be endlessly loyal to Verso

>>717986893 (OP)
The only one that wasn't fucking stupid, he obviously doesn't want to destroy everyone and everything, but Aline and Alicia simply can't cope in healthy ways.

I'm still mad Sciel and specially Lune just went along the ride in act 3, it was pretty obvious the only chance Lumiere had was getting the family out of the painting

>>718004703
Okay but what does it mean that the "shard" is being forced to paint and why does it matter if he stops? Is the canvas not self-sustaining?

>>718004703
There was probably a canvas full of busty supermodels that he made when he was a horny teenager, and they're all dead now.
But I don't see anybody crying any tears over that genocide

>>718005012
It seems each Canvas is powered by a fragment of a Painter's soul, it's why Aline and Alicia were so desperate to keep the Canvas.

>>717998218
>Aline went into that painting in order to spend time with Verso and feel his presence, but painting Aline doesn't hang out with painting Verso?
She did, in Lumiere, with all the fake family, but real Renoir appeared to get her out of there causing the fracture

>>717986893 (OP)
He's remarkable evidence of just how strong the protagonist bias really is. He's one of the most irredeemable, reprehensible treacherous scumbags ever playable in a video game and yet he managed to get more than half the player base to simp for him.

>>718005329
his hair is cool

>>718005056
Beings are only worthy of moral consideration if they are capable of suffering.
Aline's fully realized independent Lumierian souls with emotions, memories, and dreams > these hypothetical barely sentient sex dolls of yours

esquie was so so destined to be a reddit tier character lolsorandom

(see all the fucking bullshit kojima shits out for deathstranding out of his ass, or because he wants to see elle fanning 3D scans to goon to)

instead it all works in the game lore

I was so so ready to hate esquie but he makes perfect sense

honestly I would be surprised if I live to see a game that's more well crafted overall than this

I base what's right and what isn't right on who chooses which ending, and all the libshit twitch streamers relentlessly push Maelle as the "correct" ending, so I know from a moral and philosophical standpoint, Verso is objectively right.

>>718005329
You don't have to be a "good" character to be a good character.

>>718005470
He's literally just a childhood teddy bear brought to life. Like a physical version of an imaginary friend.

>>718005470
It works because the game is so relentlessly, depressingly dreary. Esquie and the Gestrals and their justified silliness were a much-needed dose of levity.

>>718005534
npc

>>718005808
So they are all the original beings of Verso's canvas right? Before Aline and Clea came along it was just the Gestrals and Esquie/Francois?

>>717986893 (OP)
>he's hot
That's it.

>>718006074
The Grandis too

>>718005887
No, that would be you for thinking this is a complex issue. If liberals want to push something, it's evil. Troons hate the family unit and want everyone to fall on the sword for strangers and can't understand why anyone would prioritize a few family members over the world. Verso is right, and any sane human being without mental illness would choose his ending.

>>718006261
I liked the turn-based with parrying gameplay but Simon took it too far. Why bother with the RPG aspects at that point? Just make it a pure rhythm game like with the Danseuse teacher.

Both Maelle and Verso were wrong. Maelle needed to leave and accept her life as it was but the Canvas didn't need to be destroyed. Verso's soul was a barely-aware wraith and PVerso basically only felt bad for it because they shared the same name.

>>718004121
He would side with his fellow painters

>Talk your fake brother out of killing himself and the world.
>Have an entire world you can use to cope whenever you want.
>Fuck it all up because you have a crackhead's willpower.
Renoir and Verso would've been okay with Maelle staying the canvas if she actually left like she said she would. She's the one who fucked up.

>>718008609
specifically Maelle

>>718009125
This is ultimately a story about a family being torn apart by drug addiction.

I love that this is a (J)RPG without an antagonist

>>718009487
Verso's ending sides with Maelle so yes.

>>718009495
>young French man with a creative superpower
>got his wife to drag him out of his fantasy world
Imagine the harem he made for himself.

I liked Verso because he's pretty competently lying to everyone about how he feels and what his plans are in life and then he tries to kill himself.

>>718009531
Without a villain, you mean.

>>718009495
Andy Serkis was so good in this game. Glad he took the role seriously even though it's a vidya. But to be fair I guess playing CGI characters is kind of his thing. Very well written character

>>718001439
Nightreign is getting looked over for its soundtrack, I assume because so few played it beyond the first couple bosses, but it's got a chance too. Not joking btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg7AVmEoKXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0yz457hVec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ys5G51sHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ23jqXa2pU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdia29yUmXw

>>718009531
>>718010019
>True Elohim tier villain
>there's no villain

>>717986893 (OP)
>>717992654
I love these two men. No homo.

>>717986893 (OP)
He did nothing wrong.

>>718009531
>>718010019
this thread is about the villain though

>>717999929
Clea > Sciel > Aline > Maelle > Sophie > Lune
Lune feels like a wasted character

>>718000087
>pretending

>>718009125
>Maelle: "Dad I'm just staying in the canvas a little longer, don't worry"
>Renoir: "Ok, see you later"
>Maelle: "Well, I'm glad we sorted that out :), let's go home and bring back everyone"
>Verso: "Omg she must be lying, QUICK I HAVE TO DESTROY THE WHOLE WORLD RIGHT THE FUCK NOW BASED SOLELY ON MY ASSUMPTIONS"
>Maelle: "Wtf Verso???"
>Verso: "You lied! I just know it, THIS IS ON YOU! YOU FUCKED UP"
>Maelle: "Can we maybe talk about it?"
>Verso: "SHUT UP LIKE KEEPS FORCING CRUEL CHOICES"
>Maelle: "Wtf is wrong with him?"

>>718001976
truly a man that did nothing wrong, even Verso gone done did one thing wrong (letting Gustave die)

>>717986893 (OP)
He suffered because he was created to suffer and done all he could, fought, talked, lied and schemed to escape the suffering. He was easily the best character in the game and deserved to finally have his peace.

Still never finished act 3. Should I even bother?

Pretty comfy thread, you Expedition fags are alright.

For the past 3 weeks or so, it seemed to be mostly threads bitching about the game and the "nepobaby" dev instead.

>>718005329
I think he was an absolute backstabbing scumbag and I still like him. He did what he had to do to get out of his handcrafted personal hell. I could not claim to be a better man than him if I was in that position and honestly I doubt anyone can.

>>718011302
Just go to Lumiere and get this over with. It won't be that long. I was completely distraught and almost gave up the game at the Act 2 twist, but now after a long while I can appreciate it and I'm glad I pushed through. even if still think it's a bit shit compared to the original pitch

>>717989171
FPBP

>>718011302
Worth it for that one endgame fight, you'll know which one post endgame fight.

>>718011302
Explore the whole world. It's great. Some of the best environments and fights are globbe trotting in act 3. Don't worry about being overpowered for Renoir, you can turn enemies 1000x stronger.

>>718011970
ffffffffffffffuck I'm a fucking retard
But yeah, post endgame content is where the game really shines, with even more fun builds at your disposal.

>>718011302
Head to the city first or you will be overlevelled.

This game is going to sweep the Game Awards.... right bros?

>>718012082
They fixed that with an update. You can scale up the game difficulty now.

>>718012170
>fix it yourself
How about no?

>>718012095
Undoubtedly. As others have noted, it has no competition.

>>718012095
Aside from the goty as a given, it's legit the top contender in half the categories. It's partially due to an otherwise weak show but I don't recall any year where one game was so far above competition.

>>718012082
My party was around level 80, set the enemy HP modifier to 10x before entering Lumiere, that seemed to work as far as lengthening fights long enough to hear all the dialog.
It would be fine to head directly to the city though since you are free to do all of Act 3 after beating the game.

>>718012593
>>718012095
Here's what it's up against
>Split Fiction
>Nightreign
>Donkey Kong Bananza
>Blue Prince
>Death Stranding 2
>Kingdom Come Deliverance 2
>Deltarune
>Snake Eater
>Silent Hill f
>The Alters
No game is even close

>>718011074
>Alicia: "Yeah totes dad I will be back in a bit"
>Renoir: "Alright, I trust you (not really), I will keep the lights on for you"
>Verso: "You didnt mean that, did you?"
>Alicia: "lol"
>Verso: "I saw how much Aline was killing herself over this and that will happen to you too"
>Alicia: "lmao"

>>718010178

A bunch of orchestral tracks doesn't equal quality though.

Clair Obscur covers all kinds of genres and themes and there's a fuckton of catchy melodies in there, it's not all just tonesetting.

>>717998953
literally me

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slk2Mc2EuVw

LVL 5 and LVL 7 are must watch

I know he's mostly a meme and joke character, and he's based on a literal family pet, but man the monoco dialogue with PVerso broke my heart

I cried so hard at this

>Monoco: Sometimes I wish things could go back to how they were before. When we could play with Clea, Aline and Renoir.
>Monoco: It felt like nothing bad could happen to any of us.


...
>Monoco: I know why you're doing this. And I know how it might end. I'm not gambling on tomorrow.
>Verso: Monoco... Why help me then? If...
>Monoco: For Verso. And for you.


I can't go on man

this game is beautiful

>>718013835
little spoon

>>718013835
I love that Monoco and Esquie don't treat PVerso like a walking ghost of the dead Verso, but rather treat him like his own person, and love him in their own way. Fucking beautiful man

>>718010178
I think FROM soundtracks have lost a lot of their sauce. These are more experimental than the ER score, but they still can't hold back and insist upon bombastic orchestral performances with choirs screaming at the top of their lungs.

>>718015124
Souls soundtracks have always been insanely overrated. Most of the songs blur together and don’t stand out at all. Some people are just easily impressed by orchestra and choirs, it seems.

>you're tired of painting... aren't you?

>I'm tired too....

>kill the protagonist
>"oh but there's a better version of him btw"
This will never not be funny.

>>718017125
When I first saw Renoir I thought there was gonna be a time twist and he's Gustave from the future. Then when I saw verso I realised that the character designer just has a type.

>>718017125
I do wonder where in the dev cycle it was decided to do the false protagonist trope.

The game is obviously about Verso and Maelle, so why did they have you start the game from Gustave’s perspective rather than Maelle’s?

>>717997320
Only retards choose the ending based on the character. I chose hers because I believed it best for Lumiere and its people. Her and Verso's desires were irrelevant in my decision, I dislike them both for being selfish nutcases.

>>718017194
I had this theory and several others streamers had it too. I feel like they all look the same, it hindered my interest.

>>717997481
I am 35, lost both parents, and picked Maelle ending because my family being back together isn’t above saving humanity
You are a retard

>>718017325
This but the opposite. I picked Verso's ending since at least Maelle would get to live her life. In Maelle's ending the painting would be burned down anyways, if not immediately then when Renoir ejects her from it / she dies.

What was this expression meant to convey,

>>718017306
To help you sympathize with the loss of this world. Since now you're directly affected by it.

>>718017415
>saving humanity
Anon they're all already fucking dead. Gommage'd. Renoir killed them all. All Malle can do is make new ones, but what is that worth? What is the point of making new fake people other than feeding her own delusion. Verso ending is objectively right.

>>718017306
They needed to introduce Verso later on to maintain his mysterious aura. Maelle is a 16yo moody girl, she was simply not credible leading the party at the start.

>>718017503
Pure. Seeeeeethe.

I felt for most characters in this game, even Sciel's stillborn baby but didn't feel a thing for Noco. I feel they missed 2 or 3 scenes to make him likable.

>>718017503
She realizes she won't get Verso baguette anymore.

>>718017306
Because the game is ultimately about the Painters being broken, selfish and incompetent, leading to the people of Lumiere suffering. The Dessendres dominating the plot is intentional, they end up eclipsing the original premise as they are Gods to the likes of Gustave, Lune and Sciel.

>>718017503
>this man I fell in love with was using us from the start
>he is now erasing everything and everyone I have ever known to end his own suffering
It's the look of pure betrayal and seethe. It's why she refuses to enter the heart of the canvas and gommage with him. She was always the most skeptical of Verso, and once she finally let her guard down and started to care deeply for him, he does this. She spent her whole life preparing for the Expedition only to be someone directly responsible in helping aide the destruction of the home she set out to save. It was an amazing touch and one of the most memorable parts of that ending.

>>718017745
For sure. He helps bolster Monoco's character though. So not a total loss.

>>718017745
I didn’t hate Noco, but I saw his death coming a mile away and I feel he’s very underutilised. He should have been a party member up until his death so you get a bit more time with him.

>>718017745
Noco's subplot is there to drive home the message that repainting people at the end is not a solution. Apparently still went above the waifufags.

I have trouble believing people are seriously picking the Maelle ending. If the game painted any more red flags for it the whole screen would be scarlet by the end.

I person think Lune is overrated. Sciel is way better and more fun and wife-tier. People who dislike her only dislike her because she’s loyal to her dead husband.
Lune is just boring yellow fever bait, and she’s by far the weakest link in the party personality and intrigue wise.

Sciel > Maelle > Clea > Lune

>>718013835
>created as a joke character
>provides the most insight of all characters

>>718018370
Feet

>>718018386
Technically, Monoco is the joke character, since his entire personality is “I like fighting and feet”.

Esquie is too important to be a joke character, I feel.

>>718018386
He's funny, but he's not a joke character. Especially when you see him after the Verso ending.

>>718018073
This but the exact opposite. Gestrals reincarnate but are always different. Alicia reincarnates Lune and Sciel exactly as they were because of their Chroma, even with memories Alicia cannot be privy to. The contrast between Gestrals and the Lumiere people is very deliberate. Now whether Alicia should be reincarnating them is another matter and is the whole meat of the ending.

>>718018567
>Monoco loves feet because his painted based off of the family dog
>dogs love shoes

>>718017194
>>718017368
>Gustave, who is Maelle's idealized version of a mixed father-and-brother figure, looks like her father and brother
waow almost as if it's intentional

>>718018629
>>718018567
Seeing them accept Verso's decision and be happy for him finally getting his rest was so touching I nearly cried.

>>718018324
Even her ending is filmed like one of her nightmare, there's actually zero debate here, there's a good and a bad ending.

>>717997320
Maelle ending is if you take the story in a literal sense and think that the beings in the canvas are living sentient creatures that deserve a chance at life.
Verso ending is more about the themes presented in the story and moving on from grief and loss.
It was honestly a cop out to even have multiple endings and both endings suffer greatly from it imo.

Verso is probably right but it's obvious the devs intentionally made both outcomes objectively bad to make some kind of point. I don't personally have enough media literacy to say what that point is exactly but I can tell it's what's going on.

what are they gonna play?

>>718018950
I don't think they really detract from each other. Maelle ending is pretty clearly a "bad end" in everything but name and shows what's happens if she fully succumbs to the fake canvas. It makes her moving on (supposedly) in the Verso ending all the more sweeter.

>>718018950
I think the very existence of the Stupid ending and there being a choice elevates the Verso ending. It's a video game in the end and giving the player a choice will always result in more emotional involvement.

>>717986893 (OP)
He's like the ultimate media literacy test. Unfortunately, many failed the test and think he's actually a villain.

>>718018830
>>718018950
I feel as though the Verso ending is a satisfying conclusion to the game that feels appropriately bittersweet and ties up the game’s core themes perfectly. The Maelle ending is a good horror movie type ending, but it doesn’t feel that fitting after the journey you went through.

That said, it’s funny how the “good” ending involves you killing everyone and giving the main antagonist exactly what he wanted.

>>718019003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXHE2MH9vLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcEdif_2PNY
Assuredly not these but it'd be hilarious if they did.

>>718010178
Nightreign won't be winning any awards for soundtrack. That's for sure. All generic AI-slop tier trash.

>>718019271
>BOW WOWOW
>BOW WOWOW

>>717986893 (OP)
is that Pedro Pascal?

>>718019003
My grandma hits harder.

>>718019038
>>718019081
The biggest problem for me is that they try to "even out" the endings and make them both feel like they're justified in the sense that everything was created with actual magic and the Lumiere residents seem to be genuinely sentient which felt forced to me.
My best guess is that the writer of the story was at odds with the director who just wanted multiple endings for the sake of it. But that's just my guess.
After seeing that french podcast's interview with the game director I'm convinced he's just a massive midwit that was carried by a team of talented individuals.

>>718019003
Portrait Imparfait better be there. Also Lumiere - The Departure.

>>718015124
Regurgitated reddit opinion
The only one of those tracks that can be described as bombastic is Fulghor
Maris doesnt even have choirs

>>718020008
>The biggest problem for me is that they try to "even out" the endings
I don't feel that way at all. Maelle's ending is shot in black and white with jump scares and horror chords. Even if we assume Verso's is bittersweet, they aren't comparable in my eyes.

>>718020361
Some Anon said the main Claire Obscura theme doesn't actually play in the Maelle ending since it's all silence too.

>>718020008
I didn't get that impression at all
If anything, they hamfistedly try to make the player feel bad for picking the Maelle ending

>>717986893 (OP)
The man is a well written self serving character. He single handedly prevents a golden ending because he wanted to better manipulate Maelle/Alicia and seems superficially sorry over it, but the times where we genuinely see him show outbursts of emotion is when those important to him PERSONALLY are hurt (Painted Clea and Alicia specifically dying. The way he shouts down at real Alicia for doing it for making a call without thinking of others before jumping into the heart of the world at the ending and looking to destroy the canvas is particularly rich)
In short
>>717989171
First and best

>>718020321
Anon, I'm gonna be honest that I skimmed over those tracks, but two of those songs have visible viewership peaks that you can click on to hear the drums go BOOM and the choir go ÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ. It gets stale.

>>718020662
Yet they claim both endings are valid and there is no correct one.

>>718021062
>I have not listened to the tracks but here's my very superficial opinion
Uh, ok

>>717986893 (OP)
Absolute fucking mad lad.
>usurps Gustave's place
>cums inside Lune
>cums inside Ciele
>ends the world while Lune looks at him, seething, with his cum still inside her

>>718021164
Yeah, believe it or not I can tell it's another Souls soundtrack after listening to 5 before it. Skimmed may have been to strong a word, but those songs can't stand on their own for 7 minutes, they need a boss fight to accompany them.

>>718021420
That's crazy

>>718021482
It sure is.

>>718021139
Well I guess in the game just like irl, trying to reason people in denial will most likely blow up in your face, it's safer for devs to claim that both endings are perfectly valid.

>>718017503
I want a beautiful Asian woman to hate me, bros

>>718021410
You got a little lost there, fella.
>Plays the piano, seething, in impotent rage

>>718017306
To show you that these people are actually real and matter, which a good portion of the playerbase seems to get IQ checked by

>>717996169
well yeah, it's a video game

>>718021767
Then they are cowards afraid of their art, betraying their very message, if this is the case. Both endings are valid, both are tragic in different ways and both are happy in different ways.

>>718018370
Sciel is well written. The way her story falls into place in the end is done insanely well. The problem is that she's competing against a cute Asian girl who has her feet out for the entirety of the game

>>718011150
He pissed off Aline by telling her what to do and caused a 67 year long Woman Moment.

>>718022050
Yeah, but Sciel is a cute tomboyish country girl who likes to drink and will bare children.

Lune is just a generic nerdy Asian girl, which is the most weeb-bait idea for a girl imaginable.

Sciel is so much stronger than others it's not even fair. Even gameplay-wise she has much more damage potential. I pray every day so I can bond with such a woman some day.

>>718022298
He didn't even tell her what to do, he went after her like a sperg and started deleting shit

>>718022050
She's not competing against anyone, anon.
She doesn't need (You)

>>718022489
Lucid and accepting, I think there's nothing I value more than this, please Sciel notice me.

>>718022326
I’m not even sure what kind of typical RPG class role Sciel is meant to fill. I’d say rogue since she has a high base Luck stat, but Verso is the rogue of the party. Plus, her weird tarot card gimmick muddies the water further.

>>718022640
Her and Lune both feel like a cleric/healer/buffer type, but it seems the dev didn't expect her to be such a strong damage dealer with twilight stacking

>>718022640
Isn't she the basic Jack of all trades ? Fits her independant personality too.

>>718022626
This. Anyone who truly loves their deceased partner is likely lying to themselves if they think that they wouldn’t whoever they hook up with next if said partner was brought back.

Pierre was a lucky fucking bastard.

One reason I picked the Verso ending was to deliberately sabotage Pierre’s revival so that Sciel wouldn’t cuck me.

>>718022640
>Verso is the rogue of the party
He can also be the berserker of the party if you go sicko mode with Defiant Slash and Berserk Slash. Most of the characters can be pretty flexible on what archetype they are. I think they were just thinking of interesting gimmicks that could fill multiple roles in a party.

>>718023184
True, but I feel Verso’s sword + dagger combo is very rogue-coded. It also fits his personality too.

In a lot of ways, Verso actually reminds me of Ezio from the Assassin’s Creed games, except a lot more unhinged and sociopathic.

>>718023087
I like your style.

>>718022640
she's a Cleric to Lune's Wizard

>>718010031
Check out Enslaved: Odyssey to the West for more vidya Serkis

>>718020008
Finding good talent is a skill. He found the composer, he found the writer, found the art director, contacted his old Ubisoft and school friends for development and production. We'll see if they land their second game, but I think he's smarter than he looks.

>>718020008
then he's the luckiest midwit in the world to have found and personally recruited all these people through Reddit posts, Soundcloud, and blind emails

>>718024689
>>718024794
IIRC, his favourite game of all time is FF8, and E33 was him basically making his own version of it.

I’m not sure he’ll manage to make another project on the same level now that he’s gotten his dream game out of the back. Though, I could see them becoming an RPG company, and being a western competitor to Square and Atlus.

>>717986893 (OP)
cute

this game is made for the movie game audience, the gameplay is shit, wait for the enemy and then press x for awesome.

>>717986893 (OP)
Uninteresting character in a poorly written story

>>717986893 (OP)
Literally did nothing wrong and makes trannies seethe because they can't fathom the concept of sacrificing yourself for a family member.

>>717986893 (OP)
Verso, the NTR protag.

>>718017925
this. i felt that scene hard

>>717986893 (OP)
I pick Maelle's ending not because I want to make her happy or save the people of Lumiere but rather because Verso deserves to suffer.

iTS TIME TO HEAD BACK TOREDDIT FAGGOT THEYRE WAITING FOR YOU TO CREATE MORE POSTS ABOUIT HOW FUCKING GREATTHE GAME IS "OMG Y'ALL VERSO SUFFERING!!" "MAELLE IS HOT GUYS LOOK A GIRL OLN MY SCREEN!" "LUNE IS JUST LIKE JAPANESE" YOU GET KARMA UPDOOTS FOR SUCKING OFF THIS GAME WOULDNT YOU LIKE THAT HUH YOU STUPID BITCHES.

>>718017503
How do I get women to look at me like this?

>>718026187
Neither Verso nor Maelle are acting out of altruism. Their overriding motive is escaping their suffering. The altruistic effects of their actions, that is, helping Alicia face reality or saving the people of Lumiere respectively, are secondary at best.

>>718026831
Kill their dog or something, I guess

>>718020008
>the writer of the story was at odds with the director
The director wrote half of it himself.

>>718026854
His suicide is a factor but not the main factor. Otherwise he'd be helping Renoir at the end. When he sees Aline come back and Alicia lie about leaving the canvas he's done.

>>718013417
>>Split Fiction
this could win because it has lesbians in it and lesbians are safe-gay so the audience wouldn't seethe

>>718018950
>Maelle ending is if you take the story in a literal sense and think that the beings in the canvas are living sentient creatures that deserve a chance at life.

Not really, Maelle ending is the tantrum of a 15 year old that fucked up, made her brother sacrifice for her and can't accept her new grim reality so uses the cool canvas where she is super powerful and loved as a form of escapism.

She is the most egoistic in the painter family, as others are grieving for Verso, she is just mad that she is crippled in the real world and can't deal with it.

If Maelle really cared for Verso's canvas and the people in there, she would have left willingly. Not even Renoir wanted to destroy the canvas, but he knows his wife and daughter are way too retarded and will end up killing themselves in it.

>get to inside the monolith
>every enemy can 1-shot you if you can't dodge or parry

>>717986893 (OP)
Cringe, but better than Shitelle

>>718025537
Seriously, why the fuck was Verso still at the party after the ultra-gommage?

He didn't show any hint that his intentions changed at all, Lune kind of gets mad at him but does nothing after

>>718028627
>every enemy can 1-shot you if you can't dodge or parry

The moment I tried to make an actual build with my characters is when the game turned way too easy, before that I was perfect parrying the shit of every attack, pretty fun

>>718028757
he believes Alicia when she says she won't get as fucked up as Aline, then realizes she's lying at the end

>>718026854
Not really, Verso is acting to save his family, he saw how his mother lost herself in the canvas and he could see through Alicia's shit, knew where this was going and did what his weak father couldn't

>>718028627
But you should know all their attack patterns since it's all enemies you've fought before. It's kino design, a final test before the "end"

>>718028627
>fight chromatic nevrons
>main story is easy as fuck because they give a shitton of xp
Can't relate

>coordinated effort of paid marketing trying to keep hype of already forgotten fotm trash for goty awards
must have been the hype for battlefield that got their billionaire hedge fund daddy to pay for another round of it

>>718029050
Oh I kind of missed that part, my brain was still processing things I guess

>>718029114
If anything the chromatic nevrons are the only enemies that can one shot you

>>718028373
Not him but I chose Maelle's ending not for her, but for the chance to save Lumiere and the rest of the Canvas. In fact I agree that she that she's one of the more egoistic. It's very telling that she joined the expedition mainly because she just didn't like life in the city.

Speaking of, do you guys think that Gustave and Sophie are the originals, or are they too copies? Sciel and Lune seem to be the same as they used the same chroma, but it's unclear about everyone else.

>"Goblu jumps"
>*jumps with him*
>wtf I jumped it!
Everyone does that. The reading comprehension of normgroids...

>>718029374
It's up to interpretation. If all the chroma in the canvas returned to Alicia because she's the only paintress inside, she could've very well recognized there's and repainted them. Question is then, if you're dead for however long it was in-universe and then get "reborn", ARE you still the same? I personally don't think so. It's different with Sciel & Lune because they only "missed" like a couple of hours at most.

>>717998218
I took it to mean "he put his soul into the canvas" and was heavily inspired by his own childhood; not unlike when /v/tards scream SOVL whenever a game resonates with them

>>718029374
No one other than maybe Sciel and Lune is one's real self.

>>718005278
>fake family
That's not the real Verso

>>717996123
There are multiple ways to mitigate that.

>>718029374
>Not him but I chose Maelle's ending not for her, but for the chance to save Lumiere and the rest of the Canvas.

Yeah, I guess they gained a little more of time, but it's clear it wasn't a definitive saving, by the time we fight Renoir, he is too tired after 67 years fighting his wife, the moment he recovers a little bit he will pull out Maelle immediately and probably cause a second and definitive fracture.

>Sciel and Lune seem to be the same as they used the same chroma

I don't know about Sciel and Lune, they pretty much just take a seat back and went along the ride through all of act 3, even with the revelations of Renoir at the end, Lune with her turbo autism couldn't make the simple conjecture that they are fucked no matter what if they can't convince the Dessendres to get the fuck out of the canvas.

I felt we needed a lot more of perspective from these two after discovering the reality of their world, they needed to make the decision to side with Verso more painful, like the final moment of Lune looking through the portal, more moments like that.

>>718003338
As someone else said, he would have been incredibly easy to fuck up but they really managed to stick the landing with the "my heckin awesome imaginary childhood friend who can do anything and is always there for me". He only had one scene that wigged me out
>let's go on adventures forever...
I think he says that to validate Verso in the rare possibility that Verso would stay in the canvas but he's very much aware that everything could go *poof* in an instant -- he just doesn't delve into that topic because it'd be out of character for him and "it makes you sad".

>>718003338
I want a hug so fucking bad

he was a piece of shit to his actual sister.

>>718030353
best girl

>>718003338
When I did my playthrough, I skipped all of the cutscenes. The only context I had for Esquie was his overworld lines. I hated him. After watching the cutscenes in a compilation, I loved him. He's my second-favorite character.

no intelligent people core for this slop

>>718030353
She was honestly a fascinating character to process. The game gives you just enough of a breadcrumb trail to figure her story out and it's amazing that she carries herself with dignity despite being so unfairly maligned

>>718030353
How?

>>718030053
>Yeah, I guess they gained a little more of time
I've seen this as an argument to diminish Maelle's ending before and I just don't buy it. Time passes differently in the Canvas, and people could have whole lives before Renoir has enough and goes back in (which is most likely after he realises Alicia isn't coming back). And even if Renoir comes back early, I still think the time that people have to live is valuable enough that it's worth it.

I wonder as well if Maelle could potentially use the time to grow stronger as a painter, and knowing that they may come after her, prepare to be able to resist another painter coming in. Aline is the strongest, but was probably blindsided.

>>718013546
It also understands what a motif is which apparently From never fucking learned

>>718010178
>nightreign

Stopped reading there. Pure cringe and garbage

>>717986893 (OP)
He was right, Alicia was stupid and would die. Her body exist outside the painting and she is vulnerable out there on top of dying from being in the painting anyway. The writers would make short work of that family when half of them are catatonic from living in the painting all day.

>>718030569
>left her when he couldn't handle being someone's grief deposit
>didn't give maelle the letter
>doesn't say good bye before attempting to delete the canvas but manages to get indignant over her being at peace with her own demise
He certainly loved her in his own mind but he did incredibly hurtful things to her through his cowardice

>>718030618
>Time passes differently in the Canvas, and people could have whole lives before Renoir has enough and goes back in
Well yeah, the main cast could get their happy ending, but a central theme of the expeditions and Lumiere is "For those who come after" and regardless of the two endings, Lumiere is pretty much doomed and there's nothing they can do about it.

That's why I needed more insight on Lune and Sciel with all the shit that was happening in act 3, it's a shame they were casted aside, their point of view could have greatly improved the whole tragedy.

>>717992654
He wasn't real and can just be repainted because he isn't real.

>>718030569
Did you miss the part where he betrayed her and killed her father?

>>717996759
>genocide
They aren't alive, they are painted creations. I bet you cry over clankers being disposed of too, retard.

>>718030896
Yeah, just be sure to bring him back in a way that he doesn't wonder why Maelle's hair is white. Fuck it, give him his other arm back too

>>718031159
They're sentient. They're aware of their own existence. They're people.

>>718030861
- ?
- She literally said it's his choice. She didn't even ask him to do it.
- If we take her sidequest as non-canon, he never had the chance to do so. If were take sidequest as canon, he never had the chance to do so.

>>718030940
No, I did not miss those. They never happened.

>>717996872
She can't live there, especially when the painted creations start turning against you, as Verso does.
Either way living in a fantasy world is not how you deal with loss or injury either, you are going to have to learn to handle those things.

>>718029374
They deliberately don't really explain anything at all in Maelle's ending and I think that's partly why I like it more. Verso's ending is so definitive and closes every possible thread and is thematically fitting, but Maelle's ending goes out of its way to ask some crazy questions, gives very few answers and lets you think about them.
>Are Gustave, Sophie etc. the same as their original selves?
>Do they remember their past life?
>Do they know of everything that happened after they died and how their world was saved?
>Does Verso resign to his fate and play out of a simple sense of fulfilling his promise?
>Is Verso really older and allowed to age after time has passed, or is it just his hair not being dyed anymore?
>Is the child sat next to Maelle and Lune a restored version of the fading child? Or has time passed and maybe it's a child of one of the party members?
>Do Esquie and Monoco accept their continued existence when they were willing to be destroyed into nothing previously?
really it's just kino whichever way you look at these

>>718031219
They only do anything because us Painters are there using them as a mirror, they have no life outside of our interaction with them. Fuck off.

>>718031410
>*sets your house on fire*

>>718031410
The Writers set their house on fire, so you are just helping my point, because Maelle being unconscious from trancing into a painting all day is just going to make her more vulnerable to dying in a fire.

>oh shit this isn't real but i want to stay
Understandable
>oh shit verso already killed everyone; bringing them back would put the burden of the demiurge on me
Time to move on
>wow painted verso really wants to die
Let him
>holy shit a piece of real verso's soul and he's also tired
IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON
>even if i bring everyone back, they're doomed the moment something happens to alicia or the canvas
AAAAAAAAAA

>>718031658
Meant for
>>718031560

>>718030627
DS3 and ER DLC were full of those thoughever

>>718028154
They aren't lesbians and the allegory would be really bad if they were since the story is an analogy for the directors own daughters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaVCFdzGq-A
>mfw Mathematically Complete Verso

>>718030893
Act 3 was absolutely the weaker of the bunch, partly for the reason you lay out. Sciel, Lune and pretty much everyone is glossed over in favour of a focus on the family drama. There should have been a few more group discussions about all of the revelations. Hell, I just remembered Golgra. I'd have liked to see her weigh in on all of that too and maybe even join in on kicking Renoir's teeth in.

Also, our own world is doomed. Doesn't mean we still shouldn't live. And perhaps those who come after will find a solution.

>>718031959
>is an analogy for the directors own daughters.
you guys read too much into things
he just named the characters after his daughters

>>718031296
>- ?
I'm not exactly sure how the relationship or dynamic worked between them after he "chose to walk away", so I'm operating on an assumption that he put his personal mission above her. Probably just overdrawing from Verso's lack of hallucination at the axom fight

>>718032060
>read too much into it
>they are really lesbians guys
>its not weird to make a romantic lesbo couple that is named after your two daughters or anything....totally normal....

>>718032290
one day you'll figure out that not everyone who replies to you on 4chan is the same person

>>718028154
Good lord, modern times has rotted brains so much that women can't just be friends anymore if they are interacting. Its like the inverse of the dumb Bechdel test. Instead its if no men are around two or more women then they MUST be romantically involved or in some weird lesbian polycule.

>alicia was a bookworm despite being from a family of painters who are at war with a guild of writers
>learns to paint in the canvas
>it's possibly possible she could have the affinities of both trades
I can't remember the last time any media gave me so much to just think about

>>718032408
take your own advice

>>718032815
It's awesome replaying the game and seeing how much of Alicia sneaks into Maelle before she finds out who she is. Maelle randomly coming up with poetic verses about things she sees exploring the world (Gustave tells her "Our resident cynic has become a poet") and she bonds with Verso over how much they both like writing secrets in their books. Or how she takes over Gustave's journal which was meant to be purely about recording information for expeditions, and writes in it to cope with his death and carry his legacy.

>>718024689
Alright relax Guillaume, I liked your game but you're a pretentious fuck still.

>>717989171
this

So what are the odds we'll get a dlc for this game and what would it be about if they did?
I don't want them to continue the story for obvious reasons, the easy answer is to just use one of the previous expeditions but I feel like that's a cop out.

>>717986893 (OP)
Both Maelle and Verso sought out their own selfish goals. Maelle wanted to keep the lie alive for as long as she could, knowing she would eventually get corrupted/diseased like her mother for staying too long in the canvas. Verso knew this too, but most likely didn't do it for Maelle/Alicia's sake, but rather to end his cycle of eternal life and being trapped in a world he didn't want to be a part of.

Both lied to achieve their goals, but Verso ultimately lied the most and betrayed everyone who trusted him. The Dessendres are all selfish assholes.

>>718003557
Nailed it. The moment I met him I thought "Oh it's THIS character" but only a few scenes later I loved him. Not an easy thing to pull off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaVCFdzGq-A
>New ymfah kino out
>It's an hour of him shitting on Verso
MaelleQUEENS...yet ANOTHER easy W for us!

>>718035292
They could do the Expedition 60 meme and it's just combat, combat, combat with some light story, but I just don't think this is the right game for that type of thing. It's a finished product, they should just leave it be and make a new game

>>718011074
Oh hey, it's headcanon Maelletranny, what's up?

>>717989371
Its even worse, he cannot even be his own person.

>>718012095
Expeditiontards overestimate how many people actually care about a mid JRPG.

>>718035292
>would like
An "addendum" that fleshes out Lune and Sciel
>would expect
Something a do with Verso and the fracture

I imagine we're most likely to see something of a stand alone follow up game that dives into Alicia, Clea, and the writer's guild

>>718011074
>i just wanted this lifetime together
Wasn't that what Aline was also going for? Would it have been so bad to just check in on either of them occasionally (without intruding, ideally) and let the fantasy run its course? I have to imagine Renoir was speaking from experience and it's a dangerous trap to let someone do that instead of yanking them out or getting them to leave before they lose their sense of self

>>717998081
Was it worth it

>>718021797
Curious how the developers don't release statistics for the ending. Probably because they know Verso's would mog the hell out of Maelle's.

>>718038016
>All hit Expedition 33
>It's just the usual Maelle Stendahl oneshot build
>With libshit pro-Maelle lipservice
Yawn.

>>718038142
see you in the sticky on december 11

>>717989537
Don't want to spoil Clair Obscure 2, but it'll turn out that he faked his death to join the writers.

>>717997002
From the creators of bike cuck: Life cuck!

>>718040013
He's talking to a Maellefag btw

He suffered.

>>717996169
It was real to them

>>718019003
Alicia is the main theme and the most Kino song
https://youtu.be/p00EF6_b5pI?si=QWml6L-lcdX75Ya6

>>718019003
probably Alicia, Lumiere, and Une vie a t'aimer

Verso...Verso had a hard life

>>717986893 (OP)
An aggressively boring character.
Like everyone else in E33.

Maellefag is the only schizo in these threads, so I picked the Verso ending.

>>718003338
What if winnie the pooh is stuck in a hellish worldscape, and Robin made him invulnerable?

Who the fuck are the Writers

verso deserves to play the piano
lying bastard

>finally memorize Simon's long combo and sortof the light combo after days of failed attempts
>reach 40% hp
>get poofed
>never leveled sciel or monaco
oh

>>718044007
le french

>>718043647
Of course it's easier for you to think that, isn't it. Easier to genocide an entire world full of living, sentient beings, if Maellechads are the villain.

>>718038337
They made way too easy to side with Verso, the entirety of act 3 is just a Maelle's childish tantrum instead of the people in the painting trying to find a way to unfuck their gods family crisis.

>>718000194
are the french VAs good?

>>717986893 (OP)
Unironically the best character in video game history.

>>718044527
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST FIND AN EASY ANSWER TO THE COMPLEX MORAL CONUNDRUM THAT ONLY EXISTS IN MY HEAD.
Yes I can, now get out of the canvas, bacon strip.

what is his favorite piano piece? clair de lune seems an obvious choice.

>Maelleschizo desperately trying to save face
lol

>>717986893 (OP)
For me it's Neil Vana.

>>717989171
>>718011679
>>718020763
>>718034921
bitter fags (or maybe femcels) detected

he is allowed to destroy his own painting. it's fucked anyway

>>718044684
Notice how the party completely lost their personality after Maelle repainted them. They aren't real people, just NPCs

>>718046116
don't Lune and Sciel both finally open up about their backstories after getting repainted

>>718046180
Yeah they start talking like they're brand new again. They got reset, basically. Respawned into the "game"

>>718046002
stop making up personalities because youre emotionally attached to the ending you chose

>>718046246
Maelle's ending is flat out wrong though. It's a cool ending, but even the game not so subtly says that it's the wrong choice. It's literally the "I can't cope" ending

>>718046246
Look in the mirror when you say that.

>>718046307
No it doesn't. That's your subjective interpretation of what the game shows.

>>717989171
Yeah pretty much.

>>718046490
That ending is literally about Maelle being unable to cope with reality. That's what it is. That's not my subjective interpretation. Verso did nothing wrong btw and I really don't understand why so many people seethe about him.

If he's such an evil liar, then why don't you hate Monoco and Esquie as well? They also lied to everyone and helped Verso, and knew exactly what his plan was.

>>718046490
the game shows
>The Most Suffering a Man Has Ever Experienced, while our drug-addled protagonist smiles on in delirium
or
>the friends we made along the way bidding us farewell as the protagonist watches the sun rise with a smile

>>718046695
>Verso did nothing wrong
Other than everything of course.

>>717986893 (OP)
Him aiming to accomplish suicide and genocide at the same time makes him quintessentially French.
... Jokes aside, they hung way too much weight on him as a character, and turned him into a player self-insert similar to Revan from KOTOR 1 to make it work. Whether it did nor not depends on you - for me, the guy (and his kid version) merits the crucifixition.

Verso's ending has Aline as a miserable cripple. Clea walks off cause she doesn't care. At least the parents are fucking though :)

>>718046846
Least sociopathic Maellefag.

>>718046695
What makes the people in the canvas any less real than the people outside? If you say that Verso did everything right out of his own will and volition then you also concede that the people inside the canvas are real human beings with real thoughts, feelings, goals, and everything inbetween.

>>718046882
>Crippled
She can walk and move her arms, so she's not crippled. There's nothing stopping her from painting a new canvas and engaging with it in a way that doesn't cause a fuckton of drama.

>>717986893 (OP)
He's voiced by one of the worst voice actors to ever voice act.

>>718047174
He isn't voiced by Yuri Lowenthal.

>>718047174
he isn't voice by Tara Strong

>>718010875
>Lune feels like a wasted character
that's because she only had chemistry with gustave
>gus: warm, kind, passionate
>lune: cold, apathetic, goal-driven
in those first 15-20 hours they're the most intriguing characters, enjoyed bickering with her, being @ odds but also very clearly close. very telling that lune's only other stand out moment is the "fell for it again award" staring daggers into verso when he deletes everybody.

>>718047041
Nah, I'm of the opinion that all the French Kardashians shoulda died in the fire - it'd have saved us all from this anemic trainwreck of a plot.
I am serious - the Painters being as off-hand as the writers to maintain verssimilitude within the canvas would've made a more compelling approach than canned soundbites about grief that coulda come out of an AA handbook.

>>718047042
The three things closest to true Verso (painted Verso for obvious reasons, and true Verso painted Monoco and Esquie and all the other silly things) all wanted the painting to end. And the shred of Verso's soul left in the painting wanted it to end, as well.

The "people" of Lumiere were some shit dead Verso's mom graffitied on there so she could live in a fantasy world (much like Maelle) instead of coping with reality.

>>717999476
>>717999634
>>717998536
>>717999883
>>717999929
>>718002938
>>717989171
>One of the best vidya characters ever, amazing.
Gaming understanders have no taste or standards. The single most retard-grade medium full of garbage artless slop meant only for subhuman tasteless monkeys.

>>718047287
>they're not real, but actually those three are real... because um.. they just are, okay?!
If they're all fake anyway then their opinion doesn't matter and we have zero idea what real Verso would've wanted

>>718005470
>honestly I would be surprised if I live to see a game that's more well crafted overall than this
You're a waste of life

>>718012095
Journos have no standards just like faggots on /v/ so yes, this is going to sweep just like TLOU2 did.

>>718047409
>and we have zero idea what real Verso would've wanted
yes we do. he's that little ghost boy

>>718047401
>>718047449
damn badass patricians I wish I had such refined taste and hated all video games except pong and tetris like a real gaaaaaymerr

>>718047512
He's not. And the fading boy contradicts himself multiple times because he's pieces of Verso's soul at different stages

>>718014985
It's fucking absolute cinema my dude.

>>718047401
Post your top 10 paintings, books, classical music pieces, your hand, eyes, hairline, and chin.

>>718013835
Gay marriage should've never been legalized and fags like you should've never been allowed any rights

>>718047601
You're on /v/, if you haven't cried like a faggot over vidya at some point you probably don't belong here.
Also you're no longer in middle school, you can drop the forced machismo.

>>718047870
Real men cry at least twice a day.

>"EXPEDITION 33 is the GREATEST ABSOLUTE CINEMA MASTERPIECE WORK OF ART EVER MADE BY HECKING HUMAN BEINGS MON AMI"
>gets fucking mogged by bioshock infinite, an actual literary masterpiece work of ABSOLUTE CINEMA writing and REVOLUTIONARY gameplay

>>717986893 (OP)
I stopped playing the game at the end of Act 1.

>>718047870
Nah but you can go ahead and drink bleach and type out your life story on a confessions subreddit so other faggots can give you headpats

>>718047967
Wise move. That's the point where the writers' dogshit pacing makes itself apparent, and the point where the least naive people cut their losses and stop playing.

>>718047552
We can be pretty sure he wouldn't want his mother and sister destroying themselves with grief and losing themselves in a painting he made as a boy with a bunch of fun silly creatures in it.

How come shitposters aren't able to shake the near unanimous praise for the game on this board?

>>718047941
get outta here ken

Gaming culture nowadays is less about the games themselves and more about the fandoms around the games. People don't give a fuck about the quality of gameplay or writing or world building, they only care about fandom. It's only natural that dogshit like expedition 33 would tick off all the boxes to get jerked off in an environment full of homosexuals who've never experienced a single day of a real life full of real struggles and accomplishments. Synthetic tripe for synthetic fandom addicts.

>>718048264
I agree.

There are no good video games. Everything is shit and anyone who enjoys anything is a fucking retard with no taste.

>>717986893 (OP)
Surprised he didn't express more hatred towards the Dessendre family considered the pain they put him through.

Why do people think Sciel fucked Lune?

>>718048330
There are some scenes where he meets true Renoir and you can tell the relationship is weird between them, neither really knows what to think of the other one. pVerso kinda feels like Renoir's son but also know that he isn't. And I'm sure for Renoir, it's at least weird and painful to see this fake version of his dead son walking around, made by his insane wife.

>>718048323
Don't pay any attention to him sis. Just think about how angry he'll be when we win GOTY at the game awards hehehe.

Real talk, this year's been so awful, so much fascism and genocide and inflation, I can't even get my healthcare anymore, so if seeing e33 win GOTY is going to be the one good thing that happens to me this year AND on top of that I get to see all these chuds crying, I'm all for it.

Is there any lore to how pVerso's relationship with Esquie and Monoco was developed?
They both know he's not the real Verso and consider him his own person.
Why are they so loyal, other than pVerso looks like rVerso?

>>718046116
I never noticed any personality to begin with

Game of the Decade. It's amazing what a small passionate team can accomplish, makes all the corpo shit with $500 million budgets and 4 thousand employees look retarded.

it's probably the corpo shills that are being paid to hate on this game

>>718048264
EVE cost me my wife, kids, house and my dog.. I'm commenting from a porta-potty to tell you.. you don't miss it... Hours of sitting in one place in a drake, or.. years later.. if you're lucky, a cap ship... No. You don't miss it, and neither does your wallet.

>>718048528
Real Renoir can barely look him in the eye let alone acknowledge him. If I recall the only thing he says to him is that he is sorry for what Aline has put him through, and considering PVerso quotes him later on "life keeps forcing cruel choices", and they both want the same goal, I'd say it was incredibly painful for both of them

>Curator's sword is a paintbrush
Gay and kino

>>718048528
>>718049389
>Verso is so utterly mindbroken during the final battle
and that's before rRenoir opened the portal.
I feel like rRenoir would realize that pVerso is not his son, but Verso might have some inherent parental affection for him, just like he has affection for rAlicia.
This affection however is not returned and their exchanges are so quite weird in the few times they interact.

>>718048480
There's a part of dialogue where it sounds kinda like they hooked up and things got awkward after

>most versofags still refuse to understand the weight of their choice despite everything
I'm not saying choosing him is wrong, I'm saying that so many don't understand what it is they're doing. They are ironically more deluded than maellefags in that regard.

>>718032049
>Act 3 was absolutely the weaker of the bunch, partly for the reason you lay out. Sciel, Lune and pretty much everyone is glossed over in favour of a focus on the family drama.
That makes sense because they are fake recreations.

>>718051571
That's just cope. Everyone in story who knows anything about the paintings agrees that the people in it are real, and that true ressurection of gommaged people is possible.

>>718051690
Not Clea, the only mentally healthy one.

>>718051757
>clea
>mentally healthy

>>718002938
GigaUltraChads know that Gustave would have convinced Aline and Renoir to leave the canvas peacefully and had Maelle/Alicia leave as well, but regularly visiting

>>718050779
That painting is doomed anyway, Maelle ending just makes it take longer.

I don't care about the ethics of the endings, I chose Verso because he is a cool Chad who is literally me while Maelle is an annoying teenager who sounds like Shadowheart

>>717996505
>that pic
>"If the game is not fun it's the players fault for playing wrong!"

>>718051690
>the people in it are real
>ressurection of people is possible
pick one
also Gustave and Pierre were not gommaged

>>718053695
It really does feel that way, which is why he had to die.

>>718003338
You really gotta understand just how insane the writing for Esquie is. To create someone like Esquie is not hard for children, a gentle giant who makes those around him feel safe, however, it takes a genuine amount of skill to create a character as funny and comforting as him to the point where even adults feel safe around him, almost like they revert to being children even if just for a few minutes. His scene with Sciel hits hard and probably one of the top 5 moments in the game. Despite his childish manner, at times Esquie is also shown to be genuinely a little smart, or at the very least emotionally intelligent through his convos with Verso. Hes the undisputed GOAT of the game for sure

>>718053774
You're correct, but it was Verso's own actions that made such an extreme solution required.

>>718006261
I just killed him in 3 or 4 turns with sthendal and gommage

>>718065275
You didn't beat Simon

maelle literally got pushed out of a pregnant woman's cunt and spent fifteen years in the painted world, which was the same age she reached outside the painting
that is an actual life she has there. all the "durrr its fake though!" arguments are retarded

>>718067616
Everyone in Lumiere experienced living and felt all the same things that normal humans felt. Gestrals arguably don't have a will of their own.
The world is doomed regardless even in Maelle's. She will eventually die from being in the painting for too long while forcing everyone to live a happy life to the point that they may try and rebel against her. Or her dad will find her and basically turn her into her mother as everyone slowly dies off again.

>>718053003
She is, it's just that she's processing her grief through anger.

>>718068943
I was lucky to love him but I imagine people who didn't but still felt forced to use him so as not to miss skills were pissed.
I usually ignore blue mages but I could almost go for a Monoco only run.

When a game keeps being cryptic I kind of interpret it as if it doesn't want me to see through the bits, from there I start feelking like trying to understand the plot is a transgression so I can't help but refraining myself from thinking.
I can't generate lots of interest as a result, I think the game should have taken a few moments to be more explicit.

>>718069586
It was completely explicit about almost everything by the end.

>>718068535
>safe-coomer mods
at least post futa or a mod that turns her into krystal

>>718068943
I used him often after Old Lum because I thought the game would force me to use him again.
It didn't.

>>718068535
>immortal
>good looking
>fight epic battles
>has friends
>live in an uncharted world
>great with musical instruments
>can score/rape 10/10 baddies because immortality
>i'm so sad

>>718071639
Yeah, his mother is hurting.

>>718071731
only because renoir keep trying to save her. should've just let her rot in Lumi and soon the pain would be over.

>>718072636
>only because renoir keep trying to save her
No, because she's coping with the loss of her son in an unhealthy way.

>>718072780
Nah, I'm pretty sure she would have already gotten over her coping if Renoir just let her be. Only reason she stayed in there as long as she did was out of spite for him telling her what to do.

>>718071639
>anon can't understand the concept of thinking about others

>>718072780
This is why I have issue with the game's message as a libertarian. It's fine to suggest what u are doing is not good for yourself, but at the end of the day people have the freedom to be unhealthy, and renoir's intervention has gone too far (from libertarian perspective, and no i am not obese or drug addict).

>>718073050
I disagree with your assessment, considering she completely shut herself off from her family before Renoir came to get her.

>>718073430
>as a libertarian
Reddit is that way >>>/out/

>>718073481
She shut herself off even harder after he did come to get her.
Also bare in mind that we never see her come back after she helps the expedition defeat Renoir. She's not in the crowd watching Verso's piano performance.

>>718071639
He is incapable of enjoying any of that because he was painted as an impossibly heroic and selfless caricature of the real Verso, but instead of being able to save anyone he's stuck helpless watching them all die because of Aline and Renoir, and Alicia too if she has her way.

>>718020763
the thing is, it ironically is all about him. the family each tries to make the tragedy about themselves but really he has the most right for it.

>>718073430
If Renoir were some stranger you'd be right, but he is her husband and the head of their family. Marrying and having kids means your life is no longer just your own and Renoir is right to forcefully save her.

>>718073891
realistically speaking she would've divorced him already

>>718073619
>Also bare in mind that we never see her come back after she helps the expedition defeat Renoir
Your point being?

>>718074307
If she was as hopelessly addicted as you say should would have already come back to be with Verso again.

>/v/ thinks Verso is a well written character
Lmao try reading a book

>>718073891
you know many of the players have average iq or less and they would absorb the message without nuance. (we should fix these people even when I am not their family)

>>718074368
Part of the reason she escaped into the canvas was to avoid Alicia. She can just create another fantasy inside another canvas, one without the girl responsible for Verso's and her painted family's deaths.

>>718073619
Could just be a decision from the director to focus on the Lumerians while Verso is about the Dessendre.
But if you want to apply the game logic, Aline was exhausted after going twice in the painting, she would need to rest. We also know the time flows differently in the painting, so Maelle's ending could be just a day after the fight with Renoir, while in the real world it'd be just 10 min.

Why didn't the narrative of this game treat me like an idiot and spell stuff out for me?

>>717986893 (OP)
A selfish nihilistic liar

>>718074707
>Maelle's ending could be just a day after the fight with Renoir
Maelle and Verso look noticeably older, 10 years at least.

>>718074681
>one without the girl responsible for Verso's and her painted family's deaths.
If that's what she did then Renoir's goal was unattainable from the start and the same thing happens in both endings.

>>718073050
No? She started
>well just a bit
>just a few minutes
going by her diary and by the time renoir had to go get her she was already killing herself in the canvas and unwilling to stop.
Renoir was super fed up with aline being a "living corpse".

>>718074963
Everyone including Maelle is the same, hell, Gustave's apprentice is there and he's still a kid.
Verso is older because Maelle painted him back older, she even said something like "would you smile if you could grow old" right before the opera scene.

>>718074748
So youtuber's would have a reason to make lore videos.

>>718074368
Aline is so fucking ill she can't move again after it.
Renoir is there so by that time he's probably just keeping her locked up having treatment 24/7, how much time could have gone outside the canvas? A week?

is there any stats for the endings? I have seen people say it's 50/50 but i never see any source for this. You would think the dev would brag about it if it really is near 50/50

>>718075423
They can't track which ending you chose because there's no achievement/flag that is individual for them.
And most people would just go and do both endings just to check if it feels better/worse.

>>718074620
Who cares? This isn't Peppa Pig. The game was not made to serve as moral instruction to its audience.

>>718046069
>his painting
thanks for telling us you didn't play the game

>>718075514
The way it was done in Life is Strange other Choice Game is that they track the 1st playthrough.

>>718075112
I mean it could be. Or Aline could just be waiting for Alicia to die because of painter aids and then return. I don't see how the game not showing her inside the painting is any indicator that she could have gotten over it herself.

>>718075839
Then 100% verso's wins this one and they don't say anything because they want to push how fair the game is for endings.

>>718074081
Realistically speaking Aline had no rights as a 19th century woman and Renoir would have her locked up in a madhouse for being clinically depressed and suicidal.

>>718075289
All the lore is straight forward and laid out. The only real mystery in the game is the Painters vs Writers. The game more lends itself to youtubers making character analysis

>>718043937
That is a good way of putting it

>>718076032
Good.
Getting rid of asylums was a mistake. Some people are just broken and can't take care of themselves.