Thread 718013683

As an action game? It sucks

As a platformer? It still sucks

As an exploration game? It still fucking sucks

Who enjoys enemies that pose zero threat whatsoever? Who enjoys slowly checking every single tile of every single room to see which are hollowed out or destructible? Who enjoys floaty ass platforming with zero challenge or stakes? Who enjoys bosses where you just stand in one spot and facetank them while spamming missiles? WHO IS THIS GAME FOR???

Me. I have terrible taste

Why is this fucking retard spamming these shit takes about metroid on the daily now?

>>718013683 (OP)
People almost solely love it due to the graphics, soundtrack, and atmosphere.

In terms of gameplay, unless you love speedtrooning and optimizing the way you run through samey corridors, there is really nothing here for you. The enemies might as well not even exist, you just blast them once or twice akin to swatting a gnat and move on. Hazards, likewise, are merely a suggestion if you want to role-play, but they pose no danger so feel free to just facetank them while the game showers you in health.

>>718013683 (OP)
let me guess - you played it on the switch?

>>718014056
No, original hardware with no guides or outside help aside from the manual.

>>718014159
you're really gonna sit here and lie to us? the enemies will kill you easily since health is hard to come by.

>>718013938
Just another contrarian trying to Gaslight people that one of the most influential series ever was always bad.

Another day ending in y

>>718013683 (OP)
Daily Super Metroid hate thread.
How old are you?

>>718014217
Why are you lying?

The game gives you up to 14 energy tanks, 4 supply tanks 2 suits that both double your HP, has energy refills in every zone, every other room has those little geysers that infinitely spawn weak trashmobs to top off your health and ammo quickly, and every single enemy in the game drops a huge amount of health and resources.

It's actually almost impossible to die outside of bossfights unless you really try and just sit there and facetank enemies for minutes on end without shooting.

I finished with around 60% items and I think 7 energy tanks, all of which I just found naturally while looking for core progression items.

>>718013938
A common tactic on /v/ is to spam threads enough to and try change common opinion. A couple years ago there was a retard that kept making "DMC2 is actually kino" threads hoping he could do the same but no one bit because DMC2 is really just that bad of a game.

>>718014330
OP can't possibly be any younger than 35

What did everyone think of X-Fusion? I'd say it's a solid 9/10 if you remove all the fucking bullshit instant death parts

>>718014418
let me guess, whenever you die you just reload the state so you dont know that you start the game with low health.

I dont grind HP drops because its unfun, why would I do something not fun? I'd rather explore and use my survival skills to get around the low health.

>>718014695
What part of original hardware do you not understand

>>718014496
Nah an old man should be able appreciate the classics. You have to compare it to its contemporaries and not modern games.

>>718014732
I don't believe you, there were too many people on /v/ making threads like this who are savestate and more recently rewind fags.

Its impossible to die? And you played without guides or knowing what to do? you must be a god gamer

>>718014873
It's literally one of the easiest action games on the SNES. Technically I did look up just what main zone the grapple hook was in, but that's the only thing.

>>718013683 (OP)
>enemies that pose zero threat whatsoever
the mark of a true metroid-like, which is more about quick map traversal than the castlevania and post-hollow knight games that all force you to stop and fight sponge enemies all the time.
The game would be shit if you had to stop and have a tedious fight against nearly every enemy.

>>718013683 (OP)
/vr/

>>718013683 (OP)
>Zoomer got filtered hard
/thread

>>718016236
Sounds more like Metroid got filtered. Game just doesn't hold up for modern audiences.

>>718016034
I'm not saying make them spongy, just make them require even the slightest bit of effort or strategy, whether that's adjusting player health, damage, health recovery, enemy type/placement, whatever.

As it is, the ONLY challenge is self-imposed speedtrooning

>>718013683 (OP)
Thoughts on other Metroid games? If you’ve played them.

>you'll be extremely tanky if you collect literally every health pickup in the game
>collecting everything requires a lot of room checking that I don't like
>with enough health you can ignore everything and just facetank things
>this sounds really stupid and makes the game really bad
>no actually I had half that amount of health playing normally only grabbing what I needed and did not engage in the collectathon or just facetank everything but I'm still really mad at the idea that you could and this ruined the game for me!
I don't even know what to say, so I'll just do this
>Who enjoys slowly checking every single tile of every single room to see which are hollowed out or destructible?
>Who enjoys slowly checking every single tile of every single room to see which are hollowed out or destructible?
>Who enjoys slowly checking every single tile of every single room to see which are hollowed out or destructible?
>Who enjoys slowly checking every single tile of every single room to see which are hollowed out or destructible?
>Who enjoys slowly checking every single tile of every single room to see which are hollowed out or destructible?
Anyone who has played the game knows what's wrong here, and now you can have fun backtracking and clarifying while I close the tab.

>>718017140
See >>718014418
READ you dense animetard

>>718013683 (OP)
nah, you suck, snoygger faggot

>>718014217
of course he is, he's the resident seething snoynigger with no life, named eric

>>718016725
>(((modern audiences)))
you mean like the ones that aren't buying all those snoystation games? those "modern audiences"?

>>718014418
So with seven energy tanks you stood in one spot and facetanked Ridley while spamming missiles?
LOL
LMAO even
And you wonder why everyone can so easily discern that you're full of shit.

>>718018060
There's two bosses in the game where you need to actually put some modicum of effort in (about 1-2% of the game)

>>718014645
I love it but I waited for it since I was a kid.

>>718013683 (OP)
i like playing as a girl. it just feels authentic, you know?

>>718014485
Did the lugenpresse still not get the memo?

if you watch how zoomers play, they will get hit by something trying to avoid it, then give up and just damage boost through it with the invincbiility.

>>718013683 (OP)
It's pure kusoge

>>718014645
Yeah It's nice but SA-X is kind of ridiculous in the game, also having to go through a whole unskippable cutscene when you die is also annoying.

>>718021560
The very end of the game was fucking dogshit
>Keep trying this room until you get the jump just right or the SA-X kills you
Not that bad with save states though

So? It's not a combat focused game. The challenge mainly comes from the platforming and exploration, and occasionally boss fights. The smaller enemies are mostly there for ambiance and environmental storytelling. Same with all the Metroid games.

>>718021560
SA-X? Really? Also, you can skip cutscenes with L+R+ missile cancel in 1.1, in 1.2 you can just press the missile cancel button.

>>718014645
Very fucking good. legit "where the fuck do I go now?!" feelings and incredible map design.
Shit difficulty spikes, falls into the trial and error pit too much. Early game is the shittiest, but post Varia is good. GOTY contender for me, I hope Prime 4 surprises me (it won't).
Underwater grapple beam platforming in the second NOCT area is eyecancer and finger cancer, never do that shit again.

Really uneccessary booba intro, made me want more of it because I have a crippling X x Samus Fetish.

>>718022425
I literally can't get past the first SA-X, half of the time she shoots where I'm going as soon as you drop to be and you can't jump or run from that, and even if she shoots diagonally and I get to the next room I can' morph ball quick enough before she shoots me and I die again.

>>718022741
>I literally can't get past the first SA-X
the X-Ray bitch? scripted cutscene, you're supposed to dodge the x-rays until she fucks off, not fall down and book it.

>>718022931
oh, I though the X-ray was there to make it you couldn't stay I guess I'm dumb.

>>718022741
Anon...

>>718014645
Cool game but people complaining about the high difficulty must be
A)New to metroid romhacks, that same author is known to make some BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSHIT
B)The kaizo comparison is silly because Kaizo super metroid hacks are truly fucking unplayable unless you do TAS level shit
C)You are stuck on 1.0 before the game got refined.

>>718014645
Same I really loved it aside from the Yakuza death trap at the start and the SA-X chases in the last area. Extremely impressive and I loved all the creative level remixes.

>>718023321
>B)The kaizo comparison is silly because Kaizo super metroid hacks are truly fucking unplayable unless you do TAS level shit
That last section is Kaizo tier bs though

>>718020217
I mean why wouldn't you? The game is *extremely* forgiving, even much moreso than the most casualized modern games

>>718023224
you can still bamboozle SA-Xs though, but I fell into that same trap as you. I stopped to reconsider other options when I notice that the bitch was fucking 360 noscoping me mid fucking falling animation as ball.

>>718023517
The only hard part about Sector X is that silly corridor with two saxes that requires a perfectly timed jump and THEN you gotta stop or else the metroid jumpscare gets you, prior and beyond that, shit's smooth sailing if you get good.

>>718023321
>The same author is autistic
got it. just keep him away from real games.
Ki hunters dealing buttfuckyou damage on contact right after you get plasma beam that does fuck all to it? Yeah, no. I'll just power bomb the entire fucking game since the author can't balance shit.

Cuz it's good

>>718013683 (OP)
OP is the type of faggot who is going around claiming DK Bananza is bad.

>>718023680
Yeah well I ain't fucking good I have a hard time just using the grapple beam without fucking up in PYR

OP is right about enemies, I don't see why people are getting upset about that. You can clear out most any given room before enemies ever get even close to being in range of hurting you and it's not hard to constantly be full on health. This is true for a lot of Metroid games.

>>718014645
I started playing 1.2 on Normal. Given how people were talking about it I expected kaizo-tier bullshit but it's not bad. There is some insta-kill BS in stealth sections but so far it doesn't seem unreasonable or require "TAS-level" anything.
I can only assume that either the bullshit will come later, it was fixed for 1.2 or people are shitters, probably a mix. However it's a really damn cool hack so far

>>718013683 (OP)
Level design, gameplay, controls and atmosphere are unmatched in the genre.

Are these the new Monster Hunter threads? Or is this the same group that was trying to troll with calling ALttP overrated?

>>718024103
It's absolutely true for normal enemies, but if you're playing blind (thus missing E tanks) and not using savestates, the bosses are not trivial. People just forgot what it's like to play the game without foreknowledge. Phantoon, Draygon, that gold chocobo, and Ridley can all make you suffer when you don't know what you're doing.

>>718024405
The only bullshit in the game comes from that one spider in the main deck that flat out instakills you and the ending where you are powerless and locked in a room full of saxxy saxes giving you the sax, otherwise the game is just a mildly harder super metroid.
Like at least X-Fusion making SA-X a true threat rather than the actually easily exploitable thing from vanilla fusion is a major selling point for x-fusion.

The game is only bullshit if you sign up for it on Omega Mode which is just "hey here's a kaizo treat for you" that makes you do hellruns in certain parts like one of the BOX fights (though i think it got nerfed, citation needed, i am not touching omegamode as far as i've seen videos of that mode)

I refuse to believe anyone actually found Ridley hard. While other bosses at least demanded that you shoot a certain spot or at a certain moment, Ridley was just "shoot super missiles at him until he dies."

>>718025065
Just look at literally any youtube video. It's like they completely forget that moving and jumping are things that you can do.
They'll just stand there, pumping missiles into his tail while he slowly pogo-sticks toward them. These people are allowed to vote.

So what's up with the title screen in X-fusion? Does the game change if you continue with the red screen when giving up?

>>718013683 (OP)
What has possessed you to make duplicate threads over this for more than a week?
How deranged are you? why are you so fixated on trying to change public opinion?

>>718025065
I found him the hardest since it's awkward to jump and shoot and his hitbox is large but also a bit unclear, and he has a ridiculous amount of HP so you have to use a bunch of charge shots after you run out of missiles. I guess you can just use your jump attack i-frames too but considering facetanking worked with every other boss, I was surprised it actually didn't work for one boss in the game. Probably a lot easier with more missiles

>>718024610
>Phantoon, Draygon, that gold chocobo, and Ridley can all make you suffer when you don't know what you're doing.
I mean not really, at most it's like one or two maaaaybe a whopping three tries. The chorizo guy is not even a fucking boss, he dies in like five seconds.

>>718013683 (OP)
Didn't you make this thread last night?
>>717925473
Oh yeah, you did.

>>718014645
I appreciate that it has some of the same failings as the original.

>>718024405
1.1 and 1.2 did a lot to lower the initial difficulty of 1.0
Damage values were decreased accross the board, some bosses had their health lowered, checkpoints were added to some sections, etc. AND an easy mode was added on top of that.
But there's still some serious difficulty spikes dotted about.

>>718014418
>Why are you lying?
>proceeds to fabricate a bald faced lie about the game's level layout
Why are YOU lying? Energy refills/mob spawners are not THAT common.

>>718014645
Does anything happen if you Join the X beyond changing up the title screen?

>>718026784
They are extremely common, and barely even needed as enemies already drop a shit ton of health, and finding a new energy tanks completely restores health as well, forgot to include that one

>>718026878
Not that I've noticed

>>718026102
Eh. I recently played the game again after a decade (my first playthrough was as a savescumming/guide-following brat). It's not a blind playthrough but I'd forgotten a lot so it's the closest thing I can do.
Playing with no guide or savestates I did enough boss runs to Ridley that the path became decently familiar. Draygon without the gimmick wasn't that easy either. It's not a souls game or anything but I disagree that the game has no challenge at all. I'm sure it'd be worse if I'd played completely blind or not had a lot of prior experience (which most snes owners in the 90s probably didn't have)

I'm not saying it's a hard game, but it's not trivially easy for a first time player imo.

>>718026260
>X in lore
>Terrifying The Thing monsters that ravage through the worlds and must never leave containment lest the entire galaxy gets devoured
>X in games
>Three X cute blobs on a trenchcoat trying to pilot samus's suit and failing horribly

>>718027491
Well if there's one thing X-Fusion does well, it's make (some) X terrifying.

>>718014645
I still gotta beat it

>>718018045
The ones that aren't impressed with dated graphics and gameplay mechanics. Aka, gamers of taste.

>>718029860
Well what are ya waitin for, lad?

>>718031229
SM still looks great to this day.

>>718013938
They want you to hate everything that you love because they are satanic.

>>718014645
I've noticed these Japanese characters here and there throughout the game. Anyone know what they mean? They're in the top left and right hand corners of this room.

>there's an E tank right there but I can't figure out the trick
argh what am I missing here

>>718033891
You can't get it yet. Come back later, much later.

>>718033891
I feel like I got that one early but I'm not sure. Try jumping around that black mark above the floor it might be a fake ceiling.

>>718033861
最高
Means "the best" or "highest"

>>718034309
That's a two-tile gap that allows you to unmorph and shoot a lv5 missile so that the projectiles can hit the missile blocks.

>>718034580
>5
4*

>>718034580
You can jump up through it. https://youtu.be/oh-G1Zi0Dq8?si=PkqEcqX970xc_rp2&t=4048

>>718013683 (OP)
It's only flaw is not having a hard mode

>>718036843
I know they started doing hard mode with Fusion (Japan only) and Zero Mission, but Nintendo had always been, and continue to offer completion percentages as your dynamic difficulty.
Low% runs are hard mode, because you're afforded fewer mistakes.

Super Metroid will let you enter the Mother Brain fight with too few energy tanks to survive the scripted sequence, though.

>>718013683 (OP)
Assuming this isn't bait (which it is), Super Metroid is more than the sum of its parts. Not every game needs to have THE BEST combat or platforming or exploration to be considered good. Super Metroid just packs in a ton of serviceable features that when combined make for an atmospheric adventure game that tantalizes you with mysterious doors then rewards you when you finally get the power up to unlock them. The enemies and hazards aren't there to be le epick dark souls difficulty, they're there to keep you engaged while you find your way around. If you're careless you might miss a jump and land in some lava which could put you at low enough health to die on the next boss fight. Or you might spam missiles then run out when you come across a door that needs them. Keep in mind this game was made in 1994 back before gamers hyper-optimized the fun out of everything by abusing meta strats and being sweaty tryhards.

>>718013683 (OP)
You have dogshit taste

>>718031229
>hurr durr muh grafix
you wouldn't know good graphics, and even less would you know about game mechanics if both of them bit you right in your gaping axewound you retarded post-op snoytranny

>>718013938
avgn recently made a video about it and zoomers are just now learning about it

>>718037595
This also applies to games like deus ex and Skyrim.

>>718038242
How are zoomers so stupid? They clearly know what Metroid is because it’s represented in smash. Do they really just wait for Evelyn’s to spoon feed them information?

>>718014645
Kino.

>>718038529
Are there not bombable blocks leading from the top, or is this the required technique?

>>718038739
If there was I couldn't figure it out.

>>718038739
There are but you need power bombs for the intended way

>>718038919
Ah yeah, the original Fusion loved to make you backtrack and use power bombs to pick up stuff.

>>718013683 (OP)
actraiser is the true GOAT

>>718013938
I guess he just like (You)s

>>718026260
>retard in the last thread bitching about needing ESP to know about firing three missiles to break the blocks on the far right of that tunnel
>you can literally just shoot those two blocks on the floor there and roll under the entire section
bunch of fucking idiots playing this hack, I swear

I'm just gonna say it, I fucking hate everything about these SA-X encounters in X-Fusion. Unintuitive, trial and error, memorization GARBAGE.

>>718041716
Why do they always put the suit in a vat of liquid

>>718013683 (OP)
Nostalgia is one hell of a drug

>>718013683 (OP)
The only good 2D metroid, so many cool tricks and routes

Who's making all the daily Super Metroid hate threads all of a sudden and can I learn this power of autism?

>>718037595
>yeah the action sucks
>and the platforming sucks
>and let's be real, slowly checking each and every tile of every single room is mind-numbingly boring
>and the game is piss-easy and extremely poorly balanced to the point where enemies and hazards are so harmless they might as well not exist
>but... muh feels... muh atmosphere... muh nostalgia from playing it as a five year old
Is this a serious post? Do you actually think you are doing yourself and this overrated shit game any favors?

>>718041998
lmao stop trying to bruteforce your way through everything. try talking to adam, he might have a hint for you regarding sax.

>>718042109
ACfag doing a new tactic?

>>718042281
I beat the stupid fucking spider and am about 1 second from dropping this dogshit. I get the spacejump and get chased in yet another unfun shitty SA-X nonsense, only for a second one to hit me though a solid wall off screen. The slop is just off the charts.

>>718014645
I like it. I also like the dev. Good sense of humor.

>>718042471
>this hack has "die and retry" moments
That's like 90% of this trash.

>>718042420
get filtered, faggot.

>>718042420
Use a powerbomb to break through that solid wall and you'll stun the SA-X's long enough to run through the rest

That took me a few tries too.

>>718042537
Oh if you land at exactly the right spot the enemy magically won't spot you, even though the difference is less than one pixel. Classic bad game design ROMhack bullshit.

There is not a single good Super Metroid romhack. They're all varying levels of shit.

>>718042551
Or you can learn to stop going in guns blazing against SA-Xes.

So is there gonna be a new 2D Metroid?

The GBA Metroid games are better than Super Metroid

>>718042609
No you fucking idiot, they react to simulated sound. Running around like a fucking retard shooting everything and setting off explosions makes sound, and causes them to react to you. Waiting until they are a safe distance and then making your move causes them to not notice you. Morph ball produces less sound.
Be smarter. Talk to Adam. He's got hints for you.

>>718042620
Guns blazing is fun and it worked for me

>>718013683 (OP)
still better than dread. what a shitshow.

>>718042703
But it's clearly not working for this retard.

>>718042609
Meta made a special Game Journalist mode just for people like you. I suggest starting the game over and using it.

>>718042687
Stealth sections are such fucking cancer. Especially when there's complete retard logic like a morphball being quieter.

>>718042960
You realize of course that many SA-X encounters in the original Fusion can be stealthed through?

>>718042953
>preforming an exact sequence designed by some autist retard is difficult
No, reading the sped's mind is the only challenging part.

>>718043018
You sound like you've never played a video game before. Did you know that they frequently require you to do exact sequences?

>>718043012
Stealth in the original was actually intuitive.

>>718043080
>Did you know that they frequently require you to do exact sequences?
Only the really bad ones, especially ones that are Metroid related.

>>718043090
What exactly is non-intuitive about following the simple logic of being quiet and avoiding being seen? Like are you actually legitimately special needs or something?

>>718043143
The stupid fucking SA-X can have its back turned and turn around before you even hit the ground. There's no actual logic behind it.

I played X-Fusion on a fucking keyboard and had a blast, I simply cannot fathom how people are struggling so much with it when they are presumably using easier methods of control.
Has the skill of the average gamer really declined THAT much?

>>718043239
Actual skill issue. Time your jumps better.

>>718043309
>enemy clearly can not see or hear you, yet you get detected anyway
>this is your fault
People really defend this slop.

>>718013683 (OP)
Filtered

>>718013994


>>718013683 (OP)
Everything you said OP is 100% correct. You are one of the very few with a brain who notices flaws and who doesng just eat shit up because a game is popular without paying attention.

>Graphics are akin to a flash game
>Has no atmoshpere worth returning to by modern standards
>Only a few osts are bangers

This game isnt even impressive on the things it supposedly excels at by modern standards, it has 0 play value in the modern age as its outclassed by everything. Its like watching one of the first horror movies ever made when you couldnt even hear people talk. Yeah you are only doing it for the history. It has *nothing* worth returning to. It should be considered nothing but a footnote in the progress of gaming. This game is worthless. Literally what atmosphere?

>>718043982
All it is is a history exhibit and a particularly poorly designed one and boring one at that. It is not a treat, its a chore

>>718043982
>>718044041

Waiting that sixty seconds for the post timer must have been agonizing.

X-fusion is really cool so far anons.
I remember playing Fusion and enjoying the setting and the concept but when I finished I was disappointed at the lack of exploration and interconnected world. Everything was really linear except for that one scripted bypass section. So far this is basically fusion with SM's design philosophy. I love it. Yeah it's harder, but Super is easy as shit to me now so I guess I'm the target audience for this.

>>718026102

Golden churro absolutely does not die in "like five seconds" without using speedrun strats.

>>718045110
The only thing that I don't like about it is the lack of a proper epic final boss.

Why does dying not very much matter? Since when is danger the only judgement of a games quality? Can't help but feel like dark souls has tainted the cultural zeitgeist around gaming to an alarming degree.

>>718043982
What an absolutely abhorrent post. Your ancestors are bowing their heads in shame.

>Love the Metroid games.
>Love metroidvanias
>Decide to play the first Castlevania
>It's not even a metroidvania
What the fuck

>>718046591
The latter games are Metroidvanias

dork souls? easier than Contra

>>718046591
"Metroidvania" was originally a term used to distinguish classicvania from the metroid-like ones, before it caught on as the name for the whole genre.

man I love super metroid
Not even falseflag ragebait posts concern me because all it does is bring new people in to witness this glorious series

>>718047417
The atmosphere is unparalleled. Play me 2 seconds of any theme in the game and I am instantly transported to another world.

>>718047417
Super Metroid is my least favorite of the 2D Metroids.

>>718047551
Why? Also you didn't play the first one so it can't be your least favorite.

>>718013683 (OP)
> Who enjoys slowly checking every single tile of every single room to see which are hollowed out or destructible?
Nigger if you at ANY point felt the need to meticulously bomb every tile in Super Fucking Metroid you legitimately have some kind of mental disability. The game literally gives you an item that lets you see what’s behind every tile like 30 minutes in. And even before that you have things like power bombs and wave beam. Switch on X-ray scope every now and then, if you’re finding yourself bombing every tile it’s because you’re too retarded to either read the environment or use the tools the game gives you.

>>718045218
He's still pretty easy. At that point you have enough etanks to facetank his shit and fire charged plasma shots until he croaks.

Does anyone else really hate XDraygon? It's a really annoying boss even on Super and Omega and mandatory for all modes. I think it's inclusion was really unnecessary and the one big dud in Meta's boss concepts. I actually prefer the vanilla boss fight

>>718047495
>le atmosphere...
>of the highly artificial world constructed of rooms of colored blocks that arbitrarily are hollowed out or can be destroyed
NPC moment

>>718049720
Don't reply to me again you fucking ape.

>>718047184
This dude is retarded as fuck and has never played a retro game for more than 10 minutes in his life. I went from playing Contra for the first time to beating it deathless in less time than it took me to beat eveb just two bosses of my first Souls game.

>>718049663
He's pretty ez once you realize beam spam drops his shield then you can missile spam his weak points.

The main thing is that its level design was decades ahead of its time. There's approximately five billion paths through the game, but most players follow a pretty similar path on a first playthrough. The world is authentically open, but they subtly guide you through it in ways that make you feel like it's your own idea.

>>718047572
It's just slow and janky feeling. I said least favorite, I didn't say I didn't like it. The first Metroid, I didn't like.

>>718049663
Yeah he's kind of a slog boss. You're just hitting his weak point, waiting for him to do his retarded dance while invincible, then repeating it.

>>718049967
No no no, there really isn't you goddamn moron, unless you are talking about abusing a bunch of glitches and exploits that essentially give you the ability to go through walls, doors, and gates to play the game in a totally illegitimate and unintended way. So no shit you can go out of order if you break the game so much with exploits that all normal progression blocks are now out the window

There are a couple legit sequence breaks and that's it.

And no, it's not some genius level design, they just layer y behind x. They even constantly arbitrarily lock doors behind you just to say "hey retard, you WILL get this power up first, and you WILL NOT get lost" it's spoonfed blatantly signposted for retards.

>>718050265
Name a game from its era (+-3yrs, we'll say) that has better, or even comparable, level design.

>>718050512
>level design is automatically good just because it's le big labyrinth
You peanut brained ape retard

Just about anything has better level design than a series of samey, generic, forgettable rooms where you just inspect every single tile to see if it's arbitrarily hollowed out or destructible.

And if you truly believe it to be such great level design: what is level design without enemies, hazards, or platforming that pose even the slightest bit of challenge or stakes, that require zero strategy, focus, ir care on behalf of the player.

Does any game before Super Metroid have a map screen like this?

>>718050082
ALTTP and LA dungeons have miles better level design.

>>718050794
I'm gonna assume that you agree with me that it was ahead of it's time since you didn't name any examples.

>>718050794
Nigga can't even name one

>>718050858
I'm assuming you mean games in its genre, and the "walk around like a dickhead shooting and bombing every single tile in every single room" genre had like 3 games at the time of Super Metroid's launch.

The people crying about this classic genre defining game remind me of the same people who cry about lord of the rings.

>>718050956
Nope, just any example of comparable level design. Games that made an impact because of the particular way that their game world was put together.

>>718050903
Revenge of Shinobi
Shinobi 3
Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 2
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
Ghosts N Goblins
Ghouls N Ghosts
Battletoads
Streets of Rage
Streets of Rage 2
Contra
Contra Super C
Contra Hard Corps
Rocket Knight
Dynamite Headdy
Zelda
Zelda 2
Zelda 3
Zelda 4
Splatterhouse
Ninja Spirit
Mega Man 1-6
Mega Man X
Mega Man X2
Final Fight
Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sunset Riders
TMNT
In The Hunt
Rondo of Blood
Wario Land
Gunstar Heroes

>>718051031
You ever heard of a little game called Zelda?

>>718051275
>starts with shinobi
I knew it was you. It's always you

>>718051275
Wrong on all levels, find better pasta.

>>718051338
I mean a game with zero challenge where you can just facetank enemies and hazards and waltz past them with barely a scratch while the game showers you in HP kinda loses by default. Add onto that the fact the core """gameplay""" is just checking every block of every room to see if it's destructible like an autismo, and yeah, that bar is about as low as it can get.

People bitched about Zelda dungeon bombing and nearly a decade a later we got something far, far worse, and even more braindead and tedious, except without any of the action or adventure elements that made Zelda so good. Instead that's just the whole damn game now, just testing fucking rocks.

>>718051546
Wrong on all levels.

>>718038981
fusion sucked nigger ass, as did zero mission