Thread 718089420

>arguably the greatest remake of a classic ever made
>still complete soulless dogshit that fails to even touch the atmosphere of the original (which was its greatest selling point)

This is the ultimate proof that remake are worthless, even at their best they can't surpass originals

>>718089420 (OP)
>its greatest selling point
it was its only selling point

Why did they change the characters phenotype/face? They do this every fucking time.

it's better than the original

>>718089871
>disregards the theme of the original otherworld to favor the movie aesthetic
it's ass

What is with millennial gamer boomers hating genuine upgrade to their jank trash? It’s ironic as millennials haven’t made any good games themselves, they are the one making the remakes!

>>718089420 (OP)
>greatest remake
Oxymoron
>>718090403
Subhuman

>>718089420 (OP)
Usually I'm wary of remakes from having been burned before, but I was gifted this and am enjoying it, not having experienced the original beyond knowing the plot.
When I get around to emulating it'll be interesting to see how much I agree with the complaints I've read.

>>718089420 (OP)
>>arguably the greatest remake of a classic ever made
but that would be REmake

>>718089420 (OP)
go to bed boomer

>>718089420 (OP)
>arguably the greatest remake of a classic ever made
That would be the 2002 REmake 1.
SH2 demake is utter shit, and everything wrong with the modern industry.

>>718090403
>millennial gamer boomers
huh?
>genuine upgrade to their jank trash
Upgraded graphics, gameplay, and voice acting at the expense of the best thing the game had to offer.

>>718090915
>go to bed boomer

>>718090779
>...having experienced the original...
every time.

>emulating
The only game you need to emulate is SH1.
2-4 had legit PC ports already 25 years ago.

https://pastebin.com/uf5XhyXz

>>718091202
>*DOWNgraded graphics, gameplay, and voice acting
FTFY.
All this shit is sterile, censored, generic and broken as fuck.

Original has sovl and grime.
I really dislike how they completely removed any iconic late 1990s/early 2000s grunge from the textures and just turned it into a sanitized version clearly inspired by the movies and not the original game.
The graphics are "realistic" but they're actually WORSE because they're realistic.

>>718091313
>2-4 had legit PC ports already 25 years ago.
Dreadful ports that no one should play. Fortunately 15+ years later some dedicated autists ported as much of the PS2 games as they could into the PC ones, while doing their level best to fix the truly awful retardation of JP devs doing PC shit. And now 25 years on we can confidently say it's probably good enough that there's no need to bother with the PS2 versions. Especially since despite their best efforts for 20+ years, PCSX2 still does in fact, suck.

>>718091313
ito is such a fucking hack

>>718091969
I don't know why that's such a hot take. Everybody just files it under "skill issue" but PCSX2 is ass and all the "check the wiki use the nightly build" in the world won't change that.

>>718091969
>Dreadful ports that no one should play
The ports are great.
Only the SH2, the arguable poster-boy of the series, had a meh-port, that still WORKED just fine during the release, but has serious issues when ran on multi-core CPUs... which everyone has these days.

But it's not 2006 no more, and fan-patches have evolved and fixed any and all issues.
The SH2 PC port + Enhanced Edition mod is undeniably the definitive way of playing the original SH2, especially if you desire HD / UHD resolutions and > 30fps performance, without any censorship.

SH3 was a miracle port since day 1 and still is absolutely brilliant as-is.
4 had some cut content and some incompatibility issues with newer (post DX8) tech, but all that was already remedied a decade ago.

>>718093275
He's a master of his craft, and it must have been absolutely heart wrecking to observe his and his team's works of passion get butchered the past 20 years.

>>718089420 (OP)
It has great atmosphere, you're just a bitter old man

>>718094232
nigga im a zoomer and the og mogs in every single way

>>718094232
The atmosphere is OK at best, and only when it actually mirrors the 2001 original closely.
Every other aspect is more or less butchered beyond repair, from gameplay and pacing, to the writing and acting. A lot of sexual aspects are outright censored, all thanks to SBI. The OST and way audio is used is amateurish, and all the modern UE5 jank is the icing on this feces cake.

>>718094232
the atmosphere is of the movie, not the original game

im actually 8 years old, you're just a dumb nigger

>>718094991
>im actually 8 years old
bye

Fuck is her problem?

>>718094232
It's a mid remake. It's competent but it really is just "what if Mario in UE5".

>>718089420 (OP)
This is actually the best remake.
It improves upon the original in every way but also allows you to play the game with its original combat.

>>718089420 (OP)
>Shit game that's worse than Silent Hill 1 in every way, flopped so hard Silent Hill 3 completely ignored its existence
>A classic
?
>Retard subhumans raping a Japanese game
>Worth playing
???

>>718095284
Alternatively this which was made by the same team as the original just with decades more experience with their craft.
They refined the game to perfection. The core ideas the the game was built upon are used to their maximum capacity. Every idea explored. This is how games should be made. A few mechanics mastered by the developers in how they can be deployed.

>>718094991
>user was banned for 10 years

>>718089871
Elaborate with something that isn't "graphics are better" or "camera control".

You can't. They fucking never can.

Finding the flashlight in the remake.

>>718089420 (OP)
>arguably the greatest remake of a classic ever made
BWAHAHAHA

>>718096565
Original mogging as always.

FACT: If you played the remake, you did not play or beat the game. You cheated yourself.

>>718096354
Better controls, better sound, FAR better voice acting, better combat, longer.

Eileen shaving

>>718096354
better VA
better music
excelent sound design
better graphics
better controls
better actor performance
better combat
...

You guys are just butthurt because Angela doesn't look like a model anymore.

/v/ is pathetic jesus

Zoomer here.
I had an older sister who would had it and she made me play certain sections that would make me scared shitless for her own amusement.
So while I am biased because of vague nostalgia, the remake just doesn't capture that je ne sais quoi. It feels like if you were to give the original devs modern resources and the same budget, their game would look nowhere near like the remake.
HOWEVER. With all that said, millennials just can't make good games. Sorry. I could pull up the laundry list of "Ummm, so that just happened" examples and prompt you to give me ones that aren't like that that weren't made by gen x, but I digress. Out of all the generations millennials have the hardest time letting go of their perceived ideals when it comes to any media, really, and drag their feet at any opportunity for innovation, which is why today you see so many chewed through copy cat ideas over and over again, meanwhile most zoomers are eccentric solo devs that are actually willing to experiment and go through the trial by fire completely independent of outcome.
Also, I was trying to find rule34 of the critic from ratatouille to use as picrel, but there unironically isn't any that has any inherent comedic value.

>>718095284
>>718095605
THIS is the greatest remake ever made

>>718097845
Blessed.

I liked the remake
I'm going to buy F
and I'm hyped for SH1R

>>718099109
Millennial oldfart SH-fan here, you are spot on on your statements.
The original trilogy are timeless masterpieces, that shaped the entire industry in countless ways. The demake is nothing more than "played safe" slop, that looks and plays exactly like the notorious Westoid games of 2006-2012 everyone loathed.
But alas, that sort of shit has become the norm now on the console industry, and we got a whole generation born and raised by those TLOU clones...

>>718099109
>if you were to give the original devs modern resources and the same budget, their game would look nowhere near like the remake.

Hard disagree with that unless you went back in time and got old ito back.

Why is every Nintendo remake so worthless? They either don’t improve on the original or if they do it is overpriced.

>>718100023
I thought the 3ds versions of Ocarina and Majora were both fine.
Also the DX version of Link to the Past is the definitive version. The third pokemon game in a generation is also traditionally the best.

>>718100113
The 3ds Zelda’s felt off graphically for me, though the gyroscope was cool. Links awakening dx was good, so I guess Nintendo were good at remakes in the 90s. Third version Pokémon games don’t feel like remakes so much as a special edition.

>>718097845
but imagine bushy eileen

>>718100113
At best they are exceptions that do not mean his post is wrong. Generally Nintendo remakes are not that impressive. SMRPG honestly looks worse as a remake of I am being honest. The OG art style is very unique, instantly recognizable even 30 years later. Even the music is worse at times.

>>718100113
>I thought the 3ds versions of Ocarina and Majora were both fine.
Fuck no. They were utter shit.
Especially the MM3D, that completely butchered the gameplay and boss designs.

The LADX was also a mere "enhanced port", not a remake.

>>718098215
>better VA
I disagree. The uncanny voice acting in silent hill works really well for a setting that's supposed to make you question reality and create the feeling of being in a waking dream.
>better music
You're cracked in the head if you think the new movie based OST is better than the iconic original ambiance.
>excellent sound design
Yes, the original game has excellent sound design.
>Better graphics
LOL, you mean higher fidelity and new textures at the expense of the games artistic direction. They removed and downplayed the grime and rot from a TON of areas textures. The apartments and hospital are prime examples
>better actor performance
James' performance in the original is significantly better than his none performance in the new game. So if "looking around the room like a lost child" means better actor performance to you..... then you watch the jailed mary cutscene and realize how shit the acting is in the remake. Complete dog shit motionless "motion capture" of a robotic maria sitting on the chair vs. Handmade animation from the original? Yeah i know which one i pick. Watch the maria cutscene back to back and you'll see how the stiff and inhuman the "acting" in the remake is.
>better combat
This one drives me nuts, combat in survival horror games is supposed to be stressful. The remake is gears of war tier point and shoot with ZERO skill required that revoles all of it's tension and release on the how much ammo you have as opposed to every encounter being unique and stressing the player out for different reasons. SH2 remake, just like resi 2 remake trivializes combat entirely and reduces it to nothing except "do i have ammo?" With no tension or ability to create tense fights without literally using some bs mid fight jumpscare or hidden enemy. Go do some research on tension and release in regards to game design and you'll see how both of these acclaimed survival horror remakes actively take away from the tension and release loop.

>>718098215
Also laughing at that nice little derailment you had with the "if you think the original is better it's because you're ass mad over angela". You understand that statements like that take away a ton of good faith regarding your argument, right anon? If the remake was objectively better, it would be able to hold it's own against criticism without needing to label the critics as "incels" or frame their entire argument as "UHM I DON'T LIKE THIS BECAUSE I CANNOT JERK OFF TO ANGELA" which was never anyones argument. They were just bothered she and all the other characters all looked uncanny and off model from their references, this criticism expanded to James especially who looks like a fucking jobber compared to the weak, defeated, yet still masculine and human James from the original who just finished killing his wife.

>>718097457
See >>718102161

>>718102161
>James' performance in the original is significantly better
you are blind by nostalgia, my lord

>>718102161
You are objectively wrong about everything, how can one be so stupid? You talk like a 70 year old grandpa, for fuck sake
grow up anon, some things change, and change for the better, like SH2R did

>>718089420 (OP)
This is far from the greatest remake ever made retard. I do like the idea of an OTS SH game with combat like this. I just wish it wasn't so overly done though. They really did not need to add a dodge. Should have made it so you had to use spacing instead and adjust enemy attacks accordingly. This actually would have been a lot more like the combat of the original had they done this.

>>718104185
I played SH2 for the first time in 2018 when i was 19, what nostalgia? People pull the same argument when i say the DC version of SA1 is a fun game.

For the record, i'm not saying James perfomance in the original is AMAZING and GOOD, i'm saying it fits the themes and the very uncanny environment the game creates on purpose with it's narrative, and i think that works better than the remakes "hollywood acting" where every character just grunts and looks around and sighs while standing still with no animated movement becuase "motion capture did it for us!"

>>718104328
>no argument
>calls me names
>ignores 90% of my post
>says i'm objectively wrong over subjective opinions
>incapable of elabortating why
>does this to defend a remake because the Playstation 2's aspect ratio gives his 12 year old brain a headache
Why don't you "remake" your post into the definitive version?

>>718104620
>I played SH2 for the first time in 2018 when i was 19,
no you didn't, you are a milenial fag who's mad because your fav horror game – that you played in your childhood – of all time got a decent remake

whine more I can't hear you

>>718104823
we are tired of refuting the same arguments over and over again anon, the mere existence of a mod to replace angela's face proves you millenials are just punch-bag gooners, we need to stop you before it's too late
glad the majority of gamers and fans accepted the remake well, because we'll got SH1 and 3

>>718105031
>you're lying
You used to be able to have real vidya discussion on /v/ without schizo's treating anyone who disagrees with them as a lying bogey man. I was literally just turning 2 when the game came out, but believe whatever you want remake nigger. I get to enjoy better content while you play souless slop, I win, you're a nigger, you ruin /v/ culture, world keeps spinning, real old fags keep laughing at us, such is the world.

>>718105247
>we'll got

Good morning

>>718089420 (OP)
>the greatest remake of a classic ever made

>>718105247
JEETS OUT!!!!

>>718089420 (OP)
completely agree. Feel the same coming with MGS Delta. They both look fine but idk...for such beloved games I expect more than some AA "good enough" remake.

>>718105340
>seriously defends his favorite horror game and gives his all to argue for it
>"I played it in 2018"
anon, just stop. You need to lie to sustain a debate
lol

>>718105247
You don't have an argument, your argument is "better textures, better VA, you're a nigger chud :)" which just proves you're retarded.
>i'm glad literally the dumbest npc tier "humans" all agree with me, sorry minority free thinkers :)

>>718105498
>proves my point
My favourite horror game is alien isolation, btw

Remake just doesn't have *it*.
I'm not gonna lie and say it is an awful remake because it isn't.
Of course, Angela, Mary and Maria are objectively worse, but everything else is just... passable.
It is quite possibly the most generic game I've ever played in my entire life. How it plays, how it looks, the bloat. It's every cookie cutter UE5 game.
I still play Silent Hill 2 EE every year, but I never touched the remake again.

Memba when good graphics meant having good art direction instead of just being "UE5 asset flips with tons of polygons"?

>>718102161
>autist types out a word salad that equates to nitpicking
I mean it's better than a 3 hour long video essay but still. You're a fag,

>>718107719
>um didn't read
>and even if i did the formats wrong
>and even if it isn't you're nitpicking
> and even if you're not, you're a faggot
Concession accepted.

Why don't purity fags just mod the OG character models and voices into the remake? problem solved and probably runs better too

censorbros, don't look!

>>718112759
>runs better
LOL, certainly not.
But yeah, I wish there were models for the FMV versions of the characters.
There are mods for the OG models and voices, but not really the FMV versions.

>fails to even touch the atmosfere ot he original
i feel it the same but with improved graphics, maybe becuase i played the original as an adult

>>718089420 (OP)
I feel like the Metroid remakes are the best remakes but no one ever brings them up.

>>718102161
>The uncanny voice acting in silent hill works really well for a setting
this is a cope

>>718089420 (OP)
>still complete soulless dogshit that fails to even touch the atmosphere of the original (which was its greatest selling point)
Nah it has soul, obviously the atmosphere it's not gonna be as good as what Team Silent did, but they did a good job. You can tell they really cared about every detail.

>>718113215
No, he is right. You can say David Lynch movies have bad acting because they're campy and people act absurd, but it is deliberate.

>>718089420 (OP)
>arguably the greatest remake of a classic ever made
There isn't a single person who thinks this.

I literally just started playing sh2ee a couple days ago.

Eddie fucking deserved to be killed like an animal for hurting killing that dog. Disgusting fat asshole. I killed him with the hunting rifle like the animal he is fucking pig fuck.

>>718114708
>noooooooo not the hecking pupperino :(
kys

>>718115320
Only shit skins and Arabs dont care about dogs uncivilized people who are no different than wild animals and deserve to be treated as such

>>718089420 (OP)
Ahem.
Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir.

>>718114708
Silent Hill pizza does look good, though.

>>718115629
Now post a game people actually care about

>>718113495
If you knew anything about the surrealism the game is inspired by, you would know that it was intentional, and it is done very well. Changing it to hollywood style acting is trash, the game is a surrealist hallucination, not a big budget movie theme park ride.

>>718115734
If by "people" you mean normies, Odins Sphere is a classic among actual gamers.

>>718115867
Well, yes, that's what I'm saying. It's on purpose because SH2 is heavily inspired by Lynch movies.

>>718116029
I meant to reply to the "cope" post >>718113215, don't know why it ended up with yours.

>>718096354
last time i replayed 2 i stopped after the hospital because it was literally press X to win gameplay and took all of the atmosphere and joy out of it for me

>>718098215
>better VA
yes
>better music
lmfao fuck no
>excelent sound design
yes
>better graphics
yes, but at the expense of atmosphere
>better controls
yes
>better actor performance
you said that already
>better combat
yes

>Angela doesn't look like a model anymore
they literally raped her face

but no, they ruined the aesthetic of the original, which was the biggest thing the game had going for it

>mannequin is supposed to symbolize james' lust!
>reality: ito saw bellmer's dolls and copied it 1:1
>mandarin is supposed to symbolize james' inner turmoil and need to "surface"
>reality: ito saw medieval beekeeper illustrations and copied them 1:1
>bubblehead nurse is supposed to symbolize james' lust and sexual frustation
>reality: copy of jacob's ladder nurses
>nurses have the red square as mouth because it is supposed to symbolize the save points!
>reality: it's a transparency issue with the bloody teeth texture they're supposed to have

Why is ito like this?

>>718089420 (OP)
I agree with you, but you are way to extream. Your points are valid but smoke a joint and quit being so dramatic.

Everything was lost and nothing was gained from the switch to an over-the-shoulder camera.

>>718117306
Becuase Jacob's Ladder was dope!

>>718089420 (OP)
>the greatest remake of a classic ever made
wrong.

>>718117306
>dude this thing is a total rip off of blah blah blah
then blah blah blah would be as famous as thing

otherwise it means thing put it together in an original way that turned le nothing blah blah blah into something people actually give a fuck about

/thread
/board
/all of these bullshit "muh stolen work" arguments

>>718117596
Would be an argument if Ito wasn't against AI for "stealing" people's works.

>>718117596
>muh
Opinion discarded

>>718117653
AI doesn't steal anything, it takes as input a bunch of random things and reworks it pseudorandomly into a whole new things

this is the exact same process by which any human creates literally anything

only thing that sucks about AI is it has no soul of its own to influence this creative process with it's own personality, but neither do 90% of artists these days especially

>>718100681
You're just a picky ass motherfucker.
Probably got no friends too.

>>718117396
>can't even spell a coherent sentence
>"aha idk what ur on about but broooo try some weeeeeeed smoke weeeeed bro chill out have some doooobies puff puff brooooo"
Every time.

>>718117653
I'd rather have a flesh and blood man steal from me than an amalgam robot program.

>>718117802
I agree with both sides but I just can't take anyone seriously when they do THIS and then complain about AI "stealing people's work".

>>718110532
>you're a faggot
And mad as well.

MEDS
NOW

>>718089871
This, objectively

>>718115991
My nig.
Don't mind me, just posting the character with the best development. One might even say "best girl."

>>718116406
"Press X to win" huh? Were.... were you fighting every single enemy in the hospital or something? That's the level where you learn that you're not supposed to fight every single guy you run into....

>>718117475
Trvke

>>718120101
The game gives you plenty of bullets and clearing out rooms and hallways is easy enough. If anything the hotel seems to be the first place where I feel like killing the bed guys would be wasting a ton of ammo for no good reason

>>718089854
I imagine it's for the benefit of motion capture, since all the cast members vaguely reseble their ingame appearance.

>>718089854
>>718120786
Devs are lazy. Facescanning the VAs and having an algorithm do your face bones work for you is easier than sculpting a realistic face.

>>718120272
>you get a ton of ammo in the hospital
It's designed to give you enough ammo to brute force your way through. The intention is the player becomes bogged down by so many enemy encounters (and having them gang up on you, something that doesn't happen very often before this) that it spurs them on to realize they don't need to kill everything, only when necessary. It also gets you comfortable running past multiple enemies in tight hallways, something you do alot in the hotel. If a player learns this early on, they are rewarded with a very nice boost to your ammo that helps with the next couple of bosses and gives you a nice boost entering the second half of the game. If the player doesn't catch on, they'll come out the other side with even less supplies than they came in with despite the hospital being one of the most well stocked areas in the game. The idea is that the not retarded player would then go "huh, that was really frustrating and i had to use all my resources. Maybe i did that wrong, how could i do that but keep more stuff...." but sadly most people seem to use video games as an activity to turn your brain off so they just kill a bunch of guys, use all their supplies, die, lose 25 mins of progression, repeat this 4 times and go "the game is wrong" instead of "i did that wrong". That's why the new "press X to win" modernized third person shooter mechanics in these remakes are a detriment. You're not supposed to feel like a badass monster killer in survival horror games, you're supposed to be stressed out and weighing out each potential enemy combat scenario. But people just get frustrated from one death and get pissed the gun play doesn't play like cod or fortnite. That's also why people incorrectly think "limited ammo, health, and a rape monster" On it's own makes good survival horror encounters. Spoilers, it doesn't. There's actually a bit more thought and design that goes into it. Giving me only one magazine in a cod match doesn't make it scary.

>>718121324
>wall of copium
jeez you milenial fags can't win

>>718120786
Except the hand curated animation from the original is far better acting than the "please sit in this chair and don't move a muscle or breathe" mocap. Blowing all this money on motion capture to make actors not move because it makes rigging harder. Fucking insane. And "people" are ITT defending this shit because 4:3 and fixed camera angles destroy the "no internal monologue" golem gamer.

>>718121324
Ok. But you can totally just shoot them until they fall and then melee them to death, which is what I ended up doing. Still had hundreds of bullets left after clearing out the hospital of enemies. If it's just one guy you can melee kill them easily and not waste any bullets at all.

>>718121471
>instant reply to my post
>seething sharty teen
We're actually talking about video games, faggot. You wanna join when you're done having a meltdown and being obsessed with me because people online aren't blowing your favourite video game remake enough? If you don't like walls of text, don't be on a forum. Forums are for reading and writing, something you'll learn in 1st grade.

>>718089420 (OP)
>popular thing bad thread #57392847
Why does this board suck so much

>>718089420 (OP)
I like OG Silent Hill 2. Should I pirate this?

>>718121502
NTA but yeah, one of my issues with the remake acting is that they have zero body language and REALLY focus on people's faces to show the facial mocap, losing all the charm, angles and feeling of the original cutscenes.

>>718121596
>slowly beats every enemy in the hospital to death, one by one
First, Kino
Second, that's the most boring way of doing that, why wouldn't you just not do that? Like after beating the 50th nurse to death and not getting anything for it you didn't go "wait, why am i killing these guys in the most boring monotone way instead of just, continuing the game?". Did you stop and beat every single enemy you encounter in the over world? You're not supposed to do that

>>718121958
I liked it, as long as you're not looking for a 1:1 recreation, the key elements are all there, story, characters and locations, but almost everything is different or a remix of the original. It's also a lot longer, starting to sag, particularly in the labyrinth area. But as a fan of the original, I found it a mostly enjoyable version of Silent Hill 2.

>>718089420 (OP)
>>arguably the greatest remake of a classic ever made
Not even remotely. That title still goes to RE1

>>718122028
>overworld
hell no you can just walk around them.

in hallways? I will beat them until they stop moving. especially those skittery guys. In the labyrinth one of them stunlocked me, attacked me three times in quick succession, and killed me all in like 2 seconds. Never allowing them to live again after that. Don't even care if I take a bit of damage in the process I have a ton of medkits and drinks from meticulously exploring every room nook and cranny I can.

This is my hand gun ammo at the hotel. I have 98 shotgun shells too.

>>718089420 (OP)
>fails to even touch the atmosphere of the original
The fuck does this mean? You say nothing of substance.

>>718122432
>expecting substance on /v/
This is very much a (you) problem.

>>718122432
I think OP means it fails to replicate camera angles, textures, animations, Lynchian acting, and all that made SH2 the game it is.
Part of the charm of SH games is japs trying to replicate western shit.
Even the enemies' twitch is too smooth in the remake.

yeah these kinds of enemies are too easy to kill so why not just beat them until they no longer move?

>>718089420 (OP)
What's with the people saying that they like how Remake James is more "evil"? If anything that just spoils the ending

>>718122432
It means it fails to create the same narrative pacing and visual aesthetic because they changed auditory, visual and narrative aspects of the game. Kind of a big thing when these 3 things and the particular way they are set up in the original are a huge pillar of what makes Silent Hill 2 good.

Do you want your favourite book to be re-written by an unrelated author? That's what this is. It can still be good, but it's not the same artistic product and it doesn't have the same sum of it's parts.

2000 character limit doesn't let me vidya essay on each point. Maybe i'll make a slop tuber essay about it and get like 4 views

>>718089420 (OP)
I actually think the atmosphere was way better in the original. At worst you can say it's different, but otherwise it nails the themes of grief, depression, and acceptance while being a miserably oppressive experience throughout. Toluca Prison was GOATed in the remake.

>>718122654
Also, to add to this, Silent Hill, the town itself, doesn't have a western layout at all.
Silent Hill's layout and look is that of a japanese town with western textures slapped on it.
SH2 also fails to accomplish that.

>>718122814
Woops, I clearly meant in the remake.

Also I literally teared up at this ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhnoPVk0S4

>>718118005
>>718117306
kek I also like how they always they were inspired by Crime and Punishment, when sh2 is clear ripoff of Lost Highway

>>718122735
He comes across more like a normal guy than the original James. Original James is so softly spoken it makes him more sympathetic in a lot of ways, which is absent in the remake.

>>718122842
>SH2 remake*
fix'd

>>718121324
>That's why the new "press X to win" modernized third person shooter mechanics in these remakes are a detriment.
I still remember when /v/ absolutely cried their eyes out over RE4R's movement inertia and reticle focus being kept from the previous two remakes because they were expecting standard TPS gameplay with no friction. They also expected ganados to be as easy to stun as the original forgetting that the original had to compensate for being unable to move whilst aiming which the remake did away with and so had to limit the player in other ways to still maintain that survival horror feel.

>>718113312
>I know what makes the game spooky, lots of shit moving around and tons of cinematic noises!
>we need to show the fog really being blown around by the wind, lots of papers flying around everything should be swaying in the wind, wind is scary!
>the monsters need to be scarier too, I know, what if we added 10x the number of monsters and gave them quick time grabbing animations? that's atmospheric right?

>>718089420 (OP)
Just fucking remaster the original.
pixel by pixel

Remaster it like remastering an old film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_preservation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_and_restoration_of_film

It's a legit science that they got down with restoring film.
It's about time we do the same for video games, too.
enough with this fucking gay remake shit - at most just add some subtly quality of life updates (like adding the iron boots to the C butons in OOT) and things of that nature AT MOST

Someone start a chatgpt chat about this

>>718123108
Harder to justify $80 price tag, so sadly would never happen.

>>718122735
2 reasons
The first is they played SH2, know the ending and as such they like it more because their perception of James is different due to knowing what he's done and what he is. So James already being evil and weird is essentially like Fanfiction, in the sense that it takes james end game characterization and continues it on to a degree by slapping it in the rest of the game.

The second is they LOVE SH2 but they actually love watching their fav youtuber or streamer play it, and they love watching the cool moody lore essays about it, but they HATE playing the game because zoomers have unironic technology illiteracy, no spatial awareness and become sick if they use tank controls or see a fixed camera angle. Hence loving the remake that doesn't understand the gameplay of the first, and then they excuse the story changes because of either bad taste or bias due to it actually being their first time playing silent hill.

>>718089420 (OP)
>greatest selling point
At the time of release, I have to admit I have no idea what Konami was thinking allowing such a game to be released
After growing up a little, I have to admit I have no idea why anybody interested in how video games can compete with the best of the best in other respected forms of art can deny playing as a murderer of a woman who did no wrong that most players accept deserves a not unhappy ending is an insignificant achievement.

Silent Hill 2 is literally the worst game to remake. You already have autists screeching over every single minute detail getting changed in every other remake out there. Taking THE game that people point to as "see, games can be art!" and remaking that? It's a losing battle. Every tiny detail about SH2 is worshipped. Even something as subtle as changing a tile on the floor on the brown to "a little less brown" is going to ruin the entire experience. This entire thing was an exercise in futility.

>>718121958
>Should I pirate this?

Do you want to spend 19 hours fighting hordes of nurses? This is not even an exaggeration.

>>718122735
I've heard the opposite actually. People tend to think OG SH2 James is "evil" because he's callous, blunt, and autistic. Like in the scene with eddie he calls the guy a retard to his face. In the remake he's a lot more considerate and when he realizes he said something that hurts Eddie's feelings, he immediately tries to take it back.

Another scene I liked was with Maria in the good endings. In the original he was like
>lel fuck off bitch I don't need you anymore

But in the remake he's a lot more sympathetic. He realizes she's a construct of the town meant to torture him over Mary, but he still treats her like a real person and urges her to move on. Only when she clearly can't live without him that he is forced to put her down.

>>718122028
You're actually supposed to kill everything you see indoors in a Silent Hill game though. You avoid enemies outdoors to save time and because there's usually enough fodders inside to reach the required 140+ kills total for a perfect run

>>718123358
Lets be real here, it's because she's ugly as fuck.

>>718123618
You need to stop appraising a woman's value based solely on her looks.

>>718123594
how do you kill enemies by shooting? Shoot the lying body? They need to remaster this aspect for sure

>>718123618
She's hotter than Mary in the OG tho.

>>718123594
Actually it's 75 kills with melee plus an additional 75 kills by shooting which comes to a minimum of 150 for 10 star runs in all the first 4 games except SH4 which only requires 120

>>718122735
I don't know about more evil, but the new game made me hate the mobs more because of how annoying they are, so I made sure to beat the shit out of any that came in my path and stomp the shit out of them which caused me to get the In Water Ending.

>>718123664
No, i don't think i'll do that.

Very few people have played a Silent Hill game compared to a Mario game. Imagine starting the next Mario game not knowing that Mario killed Princess Peach and there are multiple endings. Mario killed Peach. There should be one ending: Mario goes to jail. But James doesn't have that easy ending. Do you still play?

>>718091636
This, it's the little details that end up making a whole, why the fuck are they usually ignored?
I feel like, for making a remake, they should gather a group of people to obsessively analyze and scrutinize what made X game what it is, so basically people like the one who made that webm.
By the end there should be a document with 5 pages at the minimum but it can go much bigger, detailing all their finds... And finally how to adapt that to modernity (their new zones and enemies) etc..
I mean obviously they took a look at the game since they redid the levels, but they always fail to capture those year-specific vibes.
RE4 isn't the worst offender though, 2 and 3 are. The station and raccoon city look absolutely nothing like the originals, that city specifically was filled to the brim with iconic buildings and colors in pre-rendered backgrounds, all they had to do was attempt to recreate it with 3d models.
Actually the station does look like the real one from 2, you can see the concepts in-game... But then they turned the lights off and made it all beat up to make it le spooky, when for me the horror of the original was just how normal but wrong it looked empty. Like the backrooms horror that became so popular recently, just a normal building with offices and stuff but you're the only person alive roaming it was scary enough, like hospitals. I don't need a hospital or lab to have its lights turned off, the overwhelming white scenery is disturbing enough

>>718123726
>how do you kill enemies by shooting?
you shoot them or melee them until they hit the floor and then you kick them and they die

>>718124171
but kicking them result in a melee kill, no?

>>718123726
>Shoot the lying body?
Yes this is actually the reason why there's so much ammo. In SH2 if you shoot an enemy instead of stomping they will get back up faster and be fully regenerated and for some inexplicable reason Team Silent wants to punish you hard for not stomping making getting a perfect score for shooting kills a lot harder because you're pressed for time. Enemies can get back up fully regenerated often more than twice if you shoot or even just melee them normally with no stomping. I don't remember if it was like this in the other games too.

>>718124225
Yup

>>718089420 (OP)
Remakes aren't worthless, I'm a Silent hill fan but I could never get into the games. The remake basically makes the game I love playable.
I like the story, the music, setting, etc.. But I always felt asleep, got filtered by the clunky melee, got too scared, etc.. All in all it wasn't a pleasant experience.
The remake takes that and says
>OK now you can beat this game you've been praising as a masterpiece since childhood and actually learn wtf happens through it besides spooky town and big pyramid guy

>>718124017
I think since Switch 2 released without a true Mario game, it's worth considering what if the next game killed off Peach. It was spoiled by every website and confirmed to be true by Miyamoto before retiring: "Princess Peach is gone forever. Mario killed her. But you will still like Mario and accept him as a role model for all because only a real man will kill his wife early so he still has time to have biological children with another woman."

What is the answer from other great works of art from other mediums. Lmao.

>>718123594
You're not supposed to get a max star run on your first try or even your first couple tries. It's literally for "gamefying" your narrative game after you beat it and enjoy the story, or else replayability would tank.

>>718125121
>You're not supposed to get a max star run on your first try
There's a difference being unable to and not being supposed to and the games are clearly supposed to be played by mowing down everything in sight by virtue of providing the player with an abundance of ammo and powerful melee weapons. This is what the games incentivizes you to do coupled with their ranking system that rewards you for killing a large amount of enemies.

>>718089420 (OP)
Woke censored DEImake dogshit

>>718124759
>OK now you can beat this game you've been praising as a masterpiece
90% of SH2 fanbase and I say this as a SH2 lover who played the original when it released and all those "masterpieces" like Rule of Rose when they released
Absolutely awful when you can tell someone just know them from video essays because no, you as a 5-15 year old, wasn't thinking about LE DEEP themes of the game and analyzing everything.
You weren't thinking about OMG THE TANK CONTROLS ARE SO BAAAAAD.
You were getting scared shitless and the tank controls were TENSE because it forced you to "brace" for combat and hit the button at just the right time.

>Let's escape town together Angela!
What is even lmao? How can you mischaracterize James this badly and get away with it

feel like a brainlet cant find the third music box. been trhu the basement and got the travel case already

L-Lauria...?

>>718106317
This is pretty much my take too. They could have done a lot worse, but this remake has no reason to exist.

>>718127447
Did you miss the fountain outside?

>>718127351
You know what, I agree. That's why I can't put down and write if I got "bored", found the gameplay clunky, or if I was simply too scared.
It's all of them. The controls forced me to face the scary thing or get good and maneuver around them and it was too tense.

I play the original probably once a week, that shitmake doesn't hold a candle to the original. Zero subtlety in the shitmake coupled with STUPID fucking fan theory pandering alongside a hilariously stupid new original ending by flopper team. If you prefer the shitmake you should drive your car into the nearest lake.

>>718127878
I did.

>>718124759
>Silent hill fan but I could never get into the games
Here it comes, the fan who never played it before the remake. I thought anons were joking about their existence lmao.

>>718128990
most pre remake release reddit polls showed that the majority of sh2 fans never played it before, it's real

>>718127351
Ah man, Rule of Rose. One of those games where everything is genuinely top notch except for the actual game part. I actually liked it but I dunno why people call it a masterpiece.

>>718129474
Because it was a very risque and edgy game about dark themes that nobody dares to touch (explict child abuse and its actual consequences rather than just making the victim into a "good helpless person", every girl was molested and in turn molested other younger girls, PTSD, all that shit), everything other than the combat was amazing. Art direction, sound direction, everything.
Great FMVs too.

>>718114708
Honestly that part is just the lazy cop out because devs realized they made him too sympathetic/justified. Literally no one would give a shit if he killed his bully like how Angela killed her dad for rape. Honestly better reasoning than James

Got the water ending by playing normally.
That was wild.

Guess I'll play 3 next?

>>718130412
In Water is basically the default and, desu, the best ending.

look at my shit stats

>>718089420 (OP)
Atmosphere is still kino

>>718130412
>>718130454
Leave is the default and it has a hidden +5 added to its counter if it's a brand new save so you have to really try extra hard to not get it in that case even if unintentionally. You can only get In Water by doing a bunch of specific stuff throughout on top of playing through most of the game with your health in red. Not crimson red when it flickers like crazy and you will die from just one more hit but slightly should be enough: https://www.silenthillmemories.net/sh2/endings_en.htm

>>718089420 (OP)
Bionic Commando Rearmed is a better remake

>>718089871
They ruined the staircase scene and Mary's letter fuck you

>>718089420 (OP)
Or maybe it's actually perfect, the original was just shit and you're masked by nostalgia from realising that

>>718130931
Gonna be honest I didnt really even try to get that ending specifically, I just killed shit and ran a lot. Also maria is implied to be a whore so she can die for all I care

>>718089420 (OP)
>one remake is bad that mean every remake is bad
Didn't they taught you in kindergarden that kind of reasoning is retarded Timmy?

>>718096354
Literally everything except Angela you dumb boomer

>>718130931
Your own link shows that In Water is easier to get because it involves doing things everyone would do in a first playthrough (examining every new item, checking on Maria, rationing health items, etc). While Leave requires you avoiding all that, as in, having previous knowledge by finishing the game once and not examining every new item, not saving health, etc.

gonna play sh3, is 4 any good/worth playing?
if not I'll just play resident evil since I've never actually played any of those games

>>718131029
I know it's not impossible as In Water was my first ending too but I remember specifically taking a lot of damage and since my health bar was massive compared to SH1 and RE1-RE3 I didn't heal very often only when my controller started vibrating which was most of the time only during boss fights. Otherwise I don't remember what else I did.
>>718131307
It's not a black and white point system where doing a specific action just once will add or subtract a point every time. It's a hidden counter. Leave ending is the default ending that the vast majority of first time players will get by simply playing the game normally since it has the highest amount of points from the onset while In Water has the least. This was the intended design and is confirmed by most people online and is also observed through the trophy rate of the HD Collection as well: https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/1380-silent-hill-2-hd

The Maria ending is probably more uncommon for most people than In Water though because you have to interact with Maria more than you normally would.

>>718131307
Yeah, I checked up on Maria in the hospital like a simp, took the scenic detour to open the garage, and really immersed myself in Silent Hill, almost like I forgot I was there looking for Mary.

>>718133069
>Garage
Seems I missed this

>>718132191
I reckon most beginners aren't going to be frugal with healing at all considering how much the game gives you that's more something that veterans are more likely to do despite getting an abundance I know I healed constantly at least. I don't think many will go back into Neely's Bar either after the hospital and I listened to the entire Mary hallway speech the first time as I think many would normally and got Leave first playthrough. There seems to be a lot of variables to it all and no real guarantee of anything

I played the original while on heroin and don't remember it

it was alright but the music was missing and there was no cool opening sequence that would play when you was in the start menu too long

I swear I had two identical playthroughs and one I got In Water and the other I got Leave