Thread 718218415

>be SE
>ruin your Smash bros equivalent game that helps them sell tons of merch for older FF titles
fucking lmao. How did they fuck up this badly?

>>718218415 (OP)
>dumbed downed
>3v3
>looks barely better then previous games
instead of making the same game but better, they thought the new take on the game was hot shit and good enough to put out there just like any other series that gets a sequel that fucks everything up because doing what works clearly isn’t good enough for them

>>718218415 (OP)
>>718218736
Surprised they haven't made a musou

>>718218415 (OP)
I got the original on PSP and it was a terrible, barebones mess. I don't miss it.

>>718218736
It’s the classic SE brain rot, bro. They can’t just iterate-they gotta “innovate” in the dumbest ways possible. Instead of giving us actual PvP duels and skill-based battles, we got floaty teamfights with anime dodge spam and cooldowns longer than a FF15 dungeon. And don’t even get me started on how they gutted the roster and turned the UI into a goddamn mobile gacha screen.

>>718218415 (OP)
Thats what happens when you chase trends instead of keeping your franchise as is. Dissidia was fucking great. It had a huge roster, TONS of shit to do to for both, casual playing as well as autistically grinding and building broken ass builds, soundtrack was a great selection. Shit, I could go on forever why these 2 games where pretty much perfect for that time and are fun even today. That shtty NT game was so pathetic as it stripped away EVERYTHING people loved about the og games. Arenas are way too big, barely any character customization, due to the huge arenas it got way too floaty and there was zero offline content (as it was arcade slop originally).

Fuck Squenix for killing off a franchise before it had the chance to even become one. The fucking gacha game had more soul than fucking Dissidia NT to add insult to injury.

>>718218415 (OP)
I still can't believe they dropped the ball this hard. I still emulate Duodecim on occassion. It's just so comfy. They tried to make it an eSports thing when it should have been a simple cash grab.

Still got some good music out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C93rZkcKRME&list=RDC93rZkcKRME&start_radio=1

>>718224438
Seeing how they are revamping octopath zero as an offline game they should do the same for that dissidia gacha, it had too much soul. Also add Rikku

>>718224473
It's like with SFV, sf4 was a massive success because it was a game first, as soon as esport gossipping became a thing SFV menus became boring shit and every character must have some calculated moveset recommended by eSports players

>>718224516
>Also add Rikku
Its so funny that it never happened. People always where coping that she would eventually be added for some anniversary or whatever.

>>718224516
>>718224802
God, I will never spend another cent on gacha. The fact you have to spend money to properly enjoy it is one thing. With some time and knowledge, you can even maybe get most of the content you want without paying. But to then make it impossible to play a game you've invested so much in is unforgivable. Gachas run most everything server side, too, so you can't have private servers or pirate the game. I hate it.

>>718225470
Dissidia OO was actually by far one of the most generous gacha games Ive ever played. I know people love to say that about every gacha they play, but since OO is dead anyway its not like I have a reason to cope or something. It was genuinely fair and you could get pretty much every character fully build without spending anything. And I actually think this might be one of the reasons of its sudden EoL. It was too easy to get AT LEAST the characters you actually want maxed on the night of his/her release. And usually you get showered in currency and tickets so also get most other characters maxed too without even trying.

>>718226015
Even still, the game is now unplayable. Even if it were, there have likely been dozens of time-exclusive events with items/characters/stories I've missed out on. I know that's true for other online genres like MMOs, but I also know to stay away from them now, too.

>>718226015
>Even if it were, there have likely been dozens of time-exclusive events with items/characters/stories I've missed out on
Not even this. The only thing missable were some (paid) outfits and I believe some stickers, so nothing important. And outfits got several reruns. Again, no reason to even discuss this game anymore but if there is one gacha game I actually have fond memories of it was this one. It really gave the impression that the people responsible for it genuinely cared about the game. Some of the story events were really good too, stuff like Braska meeting Yuna in this world and them fighting together in one team was REALLY sweet.

>>718226550
Okay, so now you're just making me depressed.

>>718218415 (OP)
I'm still sad my boy Ramza had to debut in the trashheap that is NT instead of Duodecim

>>718226647
Yeah that's a monkey's paw if I ever saw one.

Dissidia is the second game I poured more time into after Peace Walker.
I didn't like Duodecim very much, the story mode is so comically watered down that it made it annoying to get every unlockable out of it, plus the new limit break system is broken compared to the original.
>NT
It's so comically bad because they wanted an arcade game.
Aside from that resulting in a dumbed down mess it was anachronistic, and the results are now history.

>We will never have Jack in a proper Dissidia and we will never have Jack beat up other Final Fantasy villains in new Stranger of Paradise games
I will never forgive Squeenix for killing both Dissidia and Stranger of Paradise.

NT was an awesome arcade experience of which I spent at least $1500 on. When it came to consoles it went to shit with the bots.

>>718227195
SE didn't kill SoP, players did by not buying it.

>>718219883
I would buy a Musou. It's such a no-brainer for Final Fantasy.

>>718227293
SE made everything possible to make sure the game was dead on arrival
>Complete dogshit reveal trailer
>Barely any marketing
>Terrible demo
>EGS exclusivity
>Horrible performance on both consoles and pc at launch
>Somehow expect the game to sell insanely well when it's a Nioh-like

>>718224802
Wasn't she in the game's data alongside Angeal and Red XIII since launch, with only Angeal actually being added?

>>718228585
>he didn't bind Jecht Block to Brv + Back Input so he'd turn around and give his opponent his back whenever he blocked an attack for maximum douchiness
Now this is real Jecht hours

>>718225470
>You'll never be able to do a Clive versus Noctis or one of these guys battle in Dissidia
Pain.

I genuinely believe if the console version of Dissidia was just 012 but modern graphics + more characters it could have blown right the fuck up. The good Dissidia games were just held back by virtue of being on a handheld

>>718227652
Yea, I'm willing to put the blame on SE, too, and I'm still clocking hours into SoP.

>trailer
I had no clue what the game was about. A retelling of FF1? Then who are all these goobers wearing futuristic clothes? Also the game just looked like ass. FF players wouldn't be attracted. And then all gameplay footage also looked ass. Those Soulburst animations got boring the first time I watched them. As a Nioh fan, I also wasn't biting.

Now, when I get into the actual game, it plays great. But the environments and music were all so bland. Dissidia had a pretty strict rule about only using final boss arenas, but they could have used ANYTHING from the games. Where should we put the water fiend? Well, clearly in a Final Fantasy X level, like Zanarkand, because it had a strong water theme- NOPE! FFVII underwater reactor. Fire fiend? Well, FFIV has a whole underground lava castle- NOPE! FFVIII tutorial dungeon, which is a generic volcano. Gross. The fact this game's Battle on the Big Bridge is the worst rendition of the song tells you all you need to know about the music.

Still gonna play til Rift Level 200. If Team Ninja does one thing well it's snappy gameplay.

>>718218736
Gundam dominates the arcades in Japan and makes a ton of money. Trying to chase that market makes sense from a Japanese point of view, but they fucked up because they don't know shit about arcades and released a predatory cash squeeze version on console.

There's a reason Gundam went back to 2v2 after experimenting with 3v3, it's too chaotic for players to feel like they're contributing to a game.

>>718227652
>Complete dogshit reveal trailer
Real ones understood that it was Square being weird again for once and got hyped. Weird Square gave us Tactics and Ergheiz and VS and KH. Any time you see them announce something that makes zero sense, you should get hype.

>>718218415 (OP)
Duodecim is still in my rotation to this day. No developer would ever consider giving this much content this much upfront. Including the entire campaign from the prior game to create this single experience is fucking wild. It'd be like releasing the Rondo of Blood PSP remake while also including the original and SOTN for shits and giggles....oh wait...

>>718224802
I want to play this again. Is there some offline version of this somewhere?

>>718227620
>chaos theme plays
pure fucking kino

>>718227620
Who asked what would you buy lil bro.

>>718228585
My biggest complaint about Duodecim is and always will be that Butz's moveset got fucking gutted. I know that they wanted to show off the new moves but they didn't need to just get rid of all his old moves. Let him unlock the old set too, god dammit.

>>718232428
Weird post

I really liked Dissidia NT but everything about it was terrible. Netcode, matchmaking, (lack of) content. Everything. Actual good 3v3 matches were really good but it was so rare to get a team of non-retards vs non-retards.

Its crazy how they killed off their DIssidia franchise despite the fact it basically shaped how the movesets and gimmicks of their entire oldschool 2D roster work in 3d now.

>>718226015
>most generous gacha
This variant of lethal cancer hurts the least when you are dying.

>>718233103
Yeah I was thinking about that too. Dissidia and FF11 reestablished a lot of FF abilities.

>>718230208
Isn't Bombergirl pretty popular and 4v4?

If we got a new Dissidia, who would (You) add?

>>718218415 (OP)
The company is literally incapable of managing its successes. When it gets a hit they make sure to run it into the ground. To the point where I think there's active internal sabotage.

>>718236540
Sabin.
Imagine this >>718227620 but a suplex.

>Nomura produces a kino game
>Square higher-ups manage to fuck it all up
Many such cases
>Taking over Versus
>Kingdom Hearts sent to Osaka studio
>TWEWY half-assed sequel
>FF7 on UE Engine instead of the engine they busted their ass to make

>>718236540
They already added Ramza to the bad one, so assuming he's already in I guess my followup would be Delita.

>>718236540
>who would (You) add?
As in I don't need to care about anyone else or being in any way reasonable? I value hero-villain balance. Balancing the games, that had sequels to have a few more reps. Also assuming everyone from Duodecim and NT has returned already. I: It's perfectly represented and adding anyone takes away from it, but I would add Bikke. II: Josef. III: Zande with an emphasis on his staff. IV: After Years-Rydia with Yuna's playstyle. V: Lenna. VI: Edgar with his Tools' potential gameplay opportunities. VII: Update Aerith into a real character. Add Shotgun. VIII: Fujin. IX: Beatrix. X: Give Yuna her X-2 Job System. Add Auron. XI: I don't know. XII: Ashe. XIII: Serah and Caius. XIV: Hildibrand. XV: Iris. XVI: Jill and Ultima. Tactics: Altima. Type-0: Cid. WoFF: Enna Kros.

>>718236540
Jack, Clive, Sora

>>718236540
I would like a gag character like Edward or Gau or Cait Sith or Quina

>>718237229
>>TWEWY half-assed sequel
NEO was great, though.

>>718238750
Rinoa would probably be a better pick as an VIII representative because of Angelo and witch shenanigans. Plus, she’d have fun dialogue with Squall.

>>718240941
Rinoa is already in NT, so also in this game.

>>718218415 (OP)
Terra looked so f*cking SEXO in NT especially with green hair

>>718236540
Just make a 3D fightan with every monks throughout the series

They actually managed to make WoL into a genuinely cool as fuck character. That stoic straight forward non nonsense character they gave him made him seem like the perfect representation of how most people imagine their cool JRPG hero. They even fleshed it out in Stranger of Paradise which makes it even better.

>>718230208
3v3 was just a gay gimmick for the gay gimmick game that was GVS, it stays 2v2 because it doesn't have any sort of usable targeting system for anything more than 2 enemies and would require completely ass fucking the control scheme to change it. Dissidia AC used a gamepad so it always had enough buttons to swap to either target at any time. Magicians Dead and FGO Arcade are both 3v3.

>>718218415 (OP)
They could literally just do a fucking remaster of both games with proper online and it would sell tons
This is literally their most pirated game of all time
And it's not like they don't have key members interested in doing it because they made a ton of Dissidia references in Jack's DLC
Instead they're putting out more HD-2D shit
Just print the fucking money if you're not doing well financially

>>718218415 (OP)
Its the same company that keeps refusing to do anything turn based and instead shits out one actiongame after another and every single one fails. Just because they think no one plays turn based anymore. Meanwhile Fatlus and even a fucking french nobody studio comfortably mogs them with their turn based games. I used to be a Square fanboy but they deserve everything they get. Its absolutely crazy how utterly out of touch they are.

>>718244439
Real shame. I used to look forward to their games.

>>718241850
The moment WoL appeared in Stranger of Paradise I felt like cumming all over my pc
And the moment you had to play as WoL to defeat Jack I became cum

>>718236540
minwu
setzer
vivi
ashe over vaan
caius over snow

>>718236540
My wife Rydia (Child) and my husband Jack (Forma Portador de Caos)

>>718236540
Just make a Dissdia Gaiden with all the spin-off characters. That's what I want. And if you're wanting for characters still (doubtful) pull in some from adjacent series like BD. Also Oersted because I really like Live A Live.
If Theatrhythm can use more than just FF then so can Dissdia.

I'll upload my raw Dissidia vids, sure. I played the original.

>>718236540
easily vincent

>>718250329
__ __ _____!

>>718236540
Black Mage (1)
Leon (2)
Cid (4)
Faris (Beastmaster/Ranger job) (5)
Shadow (6)
Vincent (7)
Seifer (8)
Freya (9)
Auron (10)
Kaze (Unlimited)

>>718250329
I only played 012. How is the original different? I thought this was a straight upgrade

>>718250856
Shadow from 6 seems like an obvious pick because Dissidia doesn’t have a ninja rep so far.

>>718232478
i wish duodecim added galuf or faris and mirrored bartz's gimmick but it's all moves from the bad guys instead of the good guys

>>718218736
>doing what works clearly isn’t good enough for them
It is pretty strange that this defines SE to a fault. D

>>718218415 (OP)
I'll never forget my disappoinment when I played NT for the first time at an arcade back in December of 2015.
A few months ago I tried to give the PS4 version a chance and it's as bad as I remember.

>>718251630
this shit was dead to me the moment they said it's 3v3 shit and it became clear they did not give a fuck about getting my money

>>718250965
The original didn't have assists.

I remember connecting my PSP to my PS3 through adhocParty and playing 012 with another anon across the ocean. And then later that xKai thing via a convoluted PSP to PC setup. Still boot it up on my Vita every once in a while. I think NT wasn't necessarily the worst thing ever, but the way they handled it was abysmal. Doesn't help that a pathetic gacha existed and that's how the series dies. I miss Dissidia so much, bros. The deluxe editions where incredible, Dissidia was fanservice done in the best possible way. The last hidden cutscene with Cosmos saying goodbye to classic FF heroes guts me every time.