Thread 718566827

Souls roll killed gaming

>>718566827 (OP)
For now. There will be something else, eventually.

>>718566827 (OP)
i have soulslike fatigue

>>718566827 (OP)
is she doing Michael Jackson's Thriller kek

>>718566935
Blame millennials so.ifagging making constant videos with OMG THIS GAME IS SO LE HARD IM SUFFERING HAHAHA over and over

>>718566827 (OP)
Didn't Homecoming do this shit? Why is it okay now?

zoomoid subhumans don't know DMC 1 had rolling in 2001

>>718567097
>Why is it okay now?
More like, why is it suddenly soulslike now to dodge

>>718567082
I fucking hate the excessive difficulty trend that Soulslikes started.
But the unfortunate truth is that they just do RPG mechanics (i.e. classes) 10000000x better than any other franchise.

>>718566935
Same, I can't stand these games anymore. To think we'll have to endure these clone games for the next 10 years until normies finally get tired of it

Looks more like the sidehop from OoT than a Souls roll.

>>718567354
>Nooo I have to engage with the game now
Get fucked, shitter

>>718566827 (OP)
developers lack creativity and risk-taking ability
must copy le popular mechanics
even if they don't make any sense at all and aren't necessary for the gaming experience

>>718566827 (OP)
It unironically almost killed Darksiders with 3. Action games and basic beat em up almost went extinct

>>718566827 (OP)
i like how the sword hits the ground before she dodges, making the whole mechanic pointless
its just for "le action gameplay!!!"

>>718567564
>It unironically almost killed Darksiders with 3.
Darksiders 3 was the only good Darksiders, enemies would actually fight back and retards seethed because they couldn't spend 30 hours doing dial-a-combo totally risk free

>>718567470
>noooo! It's fun when the entire humongous arena is completely full of AoE that one-shots you!
>I play video games to demonstrate my autism to the world because I think it's a flex
I'll keep playing video games for fun. You keep doing sweaty chores. I win irl.

>>718566827 (OP)
Nope, publishers ruined gaming by forcing their devs to copy the current FOTM when they start developing a game

>>718567920
wut

>>718567908
You should kill yourself

>>718567920
Git gud
>>718568262
Cope retard. They made a game that wasn't some mindless aerial comboslop for braindamaged retard and that was enough to instantly filter the audience of the bootleg zelda, tendie-tier dogshit that were the other games

Haven't seen the new gameplay, does it still have that fuck long delay when you hit something? If there's anything that upsets me, it's this.

>>718567354
removing a reasonably and well established, quicksave feature without adding any new gameplay each time you die (roguelikes adds procedurally and randomized content each time you die, in "S0UlSlIkEee!" games you just have to farm the same stupid bots again and again with no more content because it was the first time you approached a new boss and you knew nothing about his patterns) is not "difficulty", is just bad design. Weebo ad japanfags did the rest. Just like it happened with the kojima cultists.

>>718566827 (OP)
Combat here looks good. You can't even dodge like that in Elden Ring you can only roll. AI Limit has both side dodges and rolling which should be the standard

>>718567234
With no frames, which makes it not the same, you dumbass. Jgpn2m

>>718567567
the nigger clearly missed

>>718569285
retrying sections is not necessarily bad, it's arcade design. discovering the patterns is fine, it was a fast process earlier. only by ds3/elden shit the patterns went insane, you had no openings and bosses cheated. and trash delayed attacks.
The game design was solid in demon's/ds1.
And it wasn't weebs that made it popular, the first 5 souls games had european style.

>>718566827 (OP)
this is the gayest shit this franchise has managed to shit out since book of memories and that's saying a lot. Should've just been a new Siren game but even then I'd argue the gameplay would ruin the experience. Just make a survival horror game for fucks sake instead of aping an oversaturated design trend with an ill-fitting setting to boot.

>>718568651
>someone posts a clip of darksiders 3
>it looks good
>I have all the darksiders games on my switch account, even genesis
>never touch them

fuck man

>>718566827 (OP)
I'm sorry, but why is she super fast? That's ninja speed right there, I think there's even speed lines. And that health bar... So letting a Silent Hill take place in Japan was a bad idea after all?

>>718569784
>it is bad
>"arcade design" = walking back to the boss while farming or dodging once again the same stupid 10 bots? Nah.
>discovering patterns is fine only if you don't have to walk back every time while also losing exp. and you can simply start that boss fight again like in every normal game since savegame was invented.
>lmfao are you now gonna tell me you havent died to the first real boss in ds1, the one on the walls? the one you can push down or jump on his head? is going back there few times from the campfire "difficult" or just bad designed?
>European japanfags and weebs made it popular, also: japanese wannabe european style isnt eauropean style.

>WHAT THIS? GAMEPLAY WHERE THERE'S ACTUAL UNCERTAINTY AND A CHANCE I COULD ACTUALLY GET HIT IF I MAKE A MISTAKE, CREATING REAL TENSION?

>NOOOO I WANT TO MASH X OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO AWKWARDLY STUNLOCK AN ENEMY TO DEATH WITH A PIPE OR PRESS X TO WIN WITH AN AUTO-AIMING GUN

sorry but your opinion is bad and you can feel bad

>>718570586
if only there was another option between those two, sadly, thats the only two kinds of gameplay possible.

>>718570272
Maybe you should play shmups, streets of rage or golden axe. yes, doing the exact same thing until you get a chance at the section you lost at is arcade design.
I'll excuse myself from reading the rest since you clearly don't know what you're talking about. also learn to format.

>>718570586
So instead of pressing X you press O over and over in a simon says minigame until the boss lets you hit him. no interrupts or useful parries like real action games.

You rollslop cultists are so embarrassing, unable to see your "OP player" design is the exact same in souls but the boss is OP instead.

>>718566827 (OP)
What is up with that retarded looking dodge animation?

>>718566827 (OP)
Not ALL gaming, that was killed by f2p monetization model, but Dark Souls did kill 3rd person action genre.

>>718567354
They aren't even that difficult. They just dont have hand-holding tutorials so retards never experiment and just slam into a brick wall repeatedly.

>>718566827 (OP)
So fucking RAPED that it doesn't even have to actually be a souls-like game to make you fucking CRY. I'm so fucking happy.

>>718566827 (OP)
Souls roll didn't do shit ..shit devs with no identity try the souls roll is more like it..fuck konami

>>718570586
>rollslop
>strategy

>>718570952
To be fair you can parry some bosses and interrupt bosses but to do so you're probably going trade hits through hyper armor. Souls is fucking boring though.

*zelda roll

>>718566827 (OP)
And yet you hated Dragons Dogma 2 gameplay.

>>718566827 (OP)
>Dodge mechanic
You mean Monster Hunter.
You mean Shinobi PS2.
You mean Ocarina of Time.

>hurdur dodge = soulslike
No I think you are just obsessed with souls games and think everything is a souslike if the game has a healthbar, dodge roll, or parry/deflection system

>>718566827 (OP)
soulslike is when the dodging

>Story
>Eye am jus a japenis schoolgirl n i got bulli, i am so scwared by these monstas! (sad face)
>Gameplay
>Has proficiency with every type of melee weapon, knows how to jury rig them with mechanic tool kit, has better dodging and weaving than Mayweather, have enough arm strength to block and parry monsters' swings, can slow time after perfect parry
huh?

>>718572948
Dodges prior to souls games were just repositioning tools with 0.00001 i frames. Souls like dodges have a whole minute of iframe per roll.

>>718573142
Shinobi PS2's entire dodge/dash animation is invincible.

>>718566827 (OP)
Having a dodge button is nice, the real problem is that they have shown over and over again the player defeating the enemies. In a game like this you shouldn't be able to defeat them because it erases the threatening aspect of an horror game. Like these are intelligent people with tons of experience working on this game yet they don't seem to have the slightest idea about what they are doing.

Here are your options and the consequences:

A) roll away -> roll-tranny game
B) parry -> twitchy rhythm-tranny game
C) nothing -> bullet sponge-tranny game
D) avoid combat entirely -> stealth-tranny game

>>718573284
That's a lot of trannies..

It's definitely old, but there were always options for similar effects. Jumping straight up in DMC is same thing, just doesn't reposition you. Completely damage immune as long as it's a neutral jump.

Vidya games just don't work without i-frames, this is a fact

>>718573284
>Game mechanic = mechanicslop
>Game aesthetic = aestheticslop
>Game feel = feelslop
>ugh dodging!? how could you play dodgeslop!
>ugh swordfighting!? how could you play swordslop!
>ugh puzzles? how could you play puzzle slop!

Honestly these people should just die and remove their opinions from our species, there's no purpose or meaning to their continued existence.

>>718566827 (OP)
Thats the new silent hill game? Grim.

>>718573676
your life isn't worth any more than theirs mr 4chan poster.

>>718574198
yeah, lifeslop

>>718574198
chanslop! chanslop! he posts chanslop!

>>718570952
>Getting filtered like this
Shitter

>>718566827 (OP)
>Souls roll killed gaming

git gud faget

>>718567354
>excessive difficulty
still better than shit that handholds you all the way through, thank god From Software for bringing difficulty back to gaming

>>718570952
>Those Grapes are sour!
>You Grapeslop cultists are just coping, unable to see your "tree climbing" design is the exact same in Apples but the boss is OP instead

>>718567920
>I'll keep playing video games for fun
where is the fun if there is no challenge

Why we have bad games: /pol/ keeps saying the N-Word™

>>718567920
name one video game you play

>>718570952
>press O over and over in a simon says minigame until the boss lets you hit him
The most forced shitter meme on this website, and that's an achievement. Spamming block was always for gaped faggots on journalist-tier easy mode and only true chads beat the game without Kuro's charm and timed their parries perfectly.

>>718574745
Funny how /pol/ is both not in the thread and always in the thread, depending on whether or not they're losing an argument.

>>718566827 (OP)
>nooooooooooo Silent Hill shouldn't be a boring walking simulator! Add some complexity to the combat!
>nooooooooooo this Silent Hill is just dodgeslop! Combat makes me less scared!
You will never be satisfied no matter what they do.

>>718573121
is this the existential zelda animator?

>>718574852
Almost like horror games are fucked from a fundamental standpoint.
>it's a Game, which means it should be fun
>people think being scared means you should be having less fun
>introduce less fun mechanics like limited inventory and shaky unreliable shooting controls
>people complain that it's not fun
>make the game fun
>people complain that it's not scary

The secret is to make a game that's fun an also scary at the same time, or at least scary and also mentally engaging. It's why SH and RE lean so heavily on puzzles.

>>718566827 (OP)
Is that a very large liver with legs and an anime sword? Horrible design in either case.

>>718567354
>But the unfortunate truth is that they just do RPG mechanics (i.e. classes) 10000000x better than any other franchise.
Lol what? The classes have literally no distinctiveness.

>>718573121
>Meanwhile RE9 girl is weak as fuck
https://youtu.be/Dh2Kjx1YQJ0?si=cQovpHF-fOOqZJxh

>>718574990
>>introduce less fun mechanics like limited inventory and shaky unreliable shooting controls

>>718574990
and yet we got 3 great fatal frames that did it in a row.

then some pretty shit ones after that

>>718573121
Hinako is a country girl in the 1960s who probably has to do hard field work every day. James is a depressed alcoholic. She would have better reflexes, yeah.

>>718575257
Wait, it's first person again? Goddamn it...Why did I think it was third person...Fuck me. My day is ruined.

>>718566827 (OP)
I enjoy soulslikes and am happy that they exist, but I don't like how so many other games ape them. Not every game has to imitate them, and if it's not them then it's imitating shitty open world crap.

>>718574990
why RE4 had no weaknesses like that

>>718566827 (OP)
gaming died on its on. soulslikes are over represented because they're the only things worth playing.

>>718575257
Yeah and she still tanks a chainsaw to the gut like it's a love tap. Capcom can't decide if they want her to be fragile or a goddamn terminator. Meanwhile Ethan was getting his hands torn off every other scene and still had time to craft 3 health packs and dual-wield pipe bombs. Consistency died with RE7.

>>718567354
>Souslikes
>RPG mechanics
I wish.

>>718575763
Re4 was action, not horror

>>718576096
not purely, there are several parts of the game that were scary as fuck despite Leon being a beast and plowing through everything, the game was a perfect mix of horror and action

>>718574990
>>it's a Game, which means it should be fun
videogames don't have to be fun. didn't read the rest.

If every developer just did their own thing instead of chasing trends and going to (((gamedev college))) we wouldn't have these ubiquitous mechanics that seem to find their way in every single fucking game genre and franchise.

>>718569285
>>718566935
>>718566827 (OP)

>>718576206
It is a common and well known knowledge taught in business that more than 90% of the time instead of coming up with something new, you are better off copying something that already exists & was successful so your own product has higher chance of success. Why coinflip it?

>>718566935
I'd rather have soul slop (that's somewhat still fresh) over over-the-shoulder hallway slop like your resident shits, every fucking game looks and plays the same, how can you not be sick of this shit

theres games with unique combat but /v/ will usually have some other reason to hate on them

>>718567398
Normies never get tired of playing the same shit.

>>718567097
I don't remember it having invincibility frames

>>718576179
Ywnbaw

>>718576363
Because videogames are not a product, they're art and you should be passionate about your art

>>718576276
>that image
Abhor the autist too autistic to be sane

>>718576767
They're both. Problem is that the AAA industry has lost all semblance of balance

>>718576767
Try telling that to the investors & CEO overlords.

>>718576719
>early access scam

>>718575229
>I select Blue attack instead of Red attack from the menu when fighting Red monsters, that's RPG!
What a retarded nigger

>>718566827 (OP)
what pisses me off most about shitlikes is that the whole appeal of souls games was the perfect loot distribution, you never explore a place and not find something cool and useful, and 98 percent of the weapons are viable. that's why people like souls games. oh and the clothes, the fashion souls stuff. the variety and customization is why souls games are good.

instead, because of people claiming the difficulty was the appeal we get some of the shittest games ever made with obnoxious difficulty as if that truly was the reason people liked souls games, the difficulty was the "but" as in the game is great, BUT it doesn't hold your hand.

instead we get roll slop. all souls like games are shit, i've been saying this since the term came into being. they've never been good and if you like shitlikes then you have shit taste, no credibility and nothing you say has any value.

>>718566827 (OP)
RE4 is what actually killed gaming

>>718567354
>rpg classes
>soulsslop
???? bro it's a stat simulator game as well.

>>718574990
that's why most developers take the fromsoft route, you can make horror games fun while having proper gameplay

>>718577791
>take the fromslop route
because fromsloppers like asmon will open their mouths at the latest fromslop clone and consume product.

>>718566827 (OP)
the only rolypoly game i played is valheim
you are exaggerating

>>718566827 (OP)
>roll
>it's clearly dodge
ok

How come dodge rolling was fine in DMC and Kingdom Hearts, but in Souls, it feels so bad?

But you guys LOVE Souls games. Hence why you played all of them.

>>718566827 (OP)
I do like the Souls games. But I've been criticizing the iframe"""dodges""" from the very start.
I wonder why it took so long for people to realize it might not be that elegant of a design element.
Dodging attacks for real, as in actually not colliding with the attacks. Is a lot more satisfying than phasing through them with iframes.

>>718579067
Rolling in DMC is so useless it might as well not be there. Jumping is way better.

>>718566827 (OP)
Devil May Cry 1 is still good. Cry more faggot.

>>718569784
>you had no openings and bosses cheated.
mostly wrong, ER is probably one eaiser from games if you're not doing a "I'm DS1man" chalenge run, the game gives you so much bullshit to throw at the bosses

>>718566827 (OP)
No, bad imitations killed it, idiot
Or, you could just NOT do it

>>718579067
Re-adding the dodge roll in KH2 was a huge mistake.

>>718566935
Low IQ detected

>>718567082
Idiot, fucking total idiot

Dunno about the roll but "soulslike" is just the new bamham (but heckin basedpilled you can't say you dislike it or you're le bad)

>>718579229
>roll is so useless
your reaction time and reflex are dead
change hobby

>>718579228
Some i-frames are necessary, but it should be like a split-second invincibility with recovery frames after the dodge. This was the norm until Souls came along.

>>718568262
Git gud, bitch

>>718569960
She's Japanese, here's why

>>718579578
It was still the case with Souls games, idiot

Am I the only one who shits on Fromslop games and their fans, but buys their games and future switch 2 ports?

>>718579662
Compare Souls dodges to Sekiro dodges.

>>718579662
>26 frames
>split second
Retard

Soulslop is the WW2 shooter of the 2020s

the gameplay should reflect that the character is a teenage girl.
Instead this is generic action combat more fitting for a knight or something.
Why bother making the character a teenage girl if you don't want to do anything interesting with this?
She should be sneaking around enemies, backstabbing them, setting off traps for them. maybe shooting inaccurately with a pistol with rare ammo or something.
But not facing them head on with a melee weapon like she's a knight or something

the whole
>hit
>10 seconds animation stops
is worse than rolling anyway

>>718579928
sekiro dodges work different
sometimes even if you dodge you get hit because you shouldn't dodge said attack. which is shit

>>718566827 (OP)
Can you explain why having a defensive mechanic is better than having no defensive mechanic?

This is just a shitty regurgitated meme but there is no substance behind it.

>>718568651
Wanted to go through the Darksiders series but 2 was so fucking buggy on PC that I couldn't play it. Everything would flicker and shadows were fucked up. I don't think there's a fix. It's just a shitty port.

>>718580692
In a horror game, it removes the sense of disempowerment.

If your main character is a high school girl with no combat experience, combat should be sloppy.

>>718580363
>maybe shooting inaccurately with a pistol
you have that on resident evil with trained people already

>>718573262
Yeah you should totally not be able to defeat enemies in a Silent Hill game, a game series where you go around defeating enemies and pummeling into the dirt and have big boss fights with big stupid dragons and demons that shoot fireballs at you and shit.

What the fuck are you talking about? Survival Horror is defined by having to use up resources in battle that make it more practical to avoid battle instead of killing everything. That's it.

>>718568651
If only they put this combat in a good game

>>718580363
>Why bother making the character a teenage girl if you don't want to do anything interesting with this?
It's possible that they had something way different in mind and it got iterated to the point where none of the original concepts are left.

>>718566827 (OP)
Souls roll was just a necessary measure to cope with how bad dual analog control schemes are for modern gaming and how bad they were getting under the stagnation of not just one, but two console generations that insisted on this obsolete mess of an input scheme, something that's even worse 2 more gens later.
Even before the time of the souls roll, bamham style games were games where you just pressed a button to be invincible and countered when the thing popped up over someone's head.
>>718566976
>CAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S THRILLER
>>718567354
They're not even difficult, it was just a response to games almost literally playing themselves and going so far as to include fake QTEs.
>>718579578
The norm when souls came along was rapidly tapping the dodge button for free iframes and spamming counter.
>>718574990
The solution is to just stop doing free camera third person. SH and RE succeeded with fixed or guided cameras.
>>718576206
Modern gamedev is fucked. Management is so bad that if everyone isn't doing 99% the same shit as everyone else, then the product just fails to come together. Modern game dev is optimized for producing cookie cutter shit with all the gaps capable of being filled in 2 weeks of poorly scheduled crunch.

>>718566827 (OP)
retard
>>718567398
double retard

>>718570816
You are stupid.

>>718567082
Just because one genre pulled bazillions of dollars and every other publisher wants a piece of the cake, doesn't mean I will blame the target audience.
Every game in the past decade had a battle royale. Most of them flopped or died out in a matter of weeks. Doesn't mean I blame zoomers for it.

>>718580809
There other ways you can do this. You can make enemies that are way more dangerous than you.

The ghosts in Sekiro are a good example, you can totally kill them with the right set-up but being around them is highly dangerous and it's better to avoid them whenever possible.

>>718567082
>making videos
blame the underages who still watch e-retards

>>718580692
Movement is a defensive mechanic

>>718577262
B A S E D
A
S
E
D

TRVTHNVKE

>>718582715
You're right, Movementslop and spacingslop are fucking shit and are killing Horror games. You should not be able to avoid damage from monsters

Choose

>>718577262
>you never explore a place and not find something cool and useful

>>718566827 (OP)
Why is a Japanese school girl in a "horror" game even dodging attacks like it was the Matrix? It's just retarded.

>>718566827 (OP)
no no no anon
(You) have to sneed BEFORE you feed
That’s why you’re all fucked up

>>718566827 (OP)
>Souls roll
i don't see any rolls in that gif

>>718577262
i dont think any of the souls like games have been good. only from soft can pull these games off and even then its never been perfect (dark souls 2 is buns)

>>718567082
Started with retards like DSP failing at DS1 then his a-logs like EvilAj's compilations. It only snowballed from there.

>>718577128
>Soulstranny logic
Oh I am laffin. Soulshit doesn't do classes.

>>718573121
>country girl with a small body who farmed every summer is healthier than an alcoholic

>>718575665
You can switch between 3rd person and 1st person perspective

>>718585369
Can't have her roll and risk players seeing up her skirt

>>718566827 (OP)
ah yes the classic silent hill staple of a generic every day japanese school girls who can dodge so quickly that she becomes an actual blur. it's ironic that fans criticized the american devs for not knowing wtf silent hill was about and now a jap dev has shown they know even less about it than americans

>>718587530
>jap dev
it's worse, chinks

>souls invented rolling
>souls invented lock on
>souls invented parrying
>souls invented dark fantasy
>souls invented 3D melee combat
>souls invented exploration
zoomers unironically think this

>>718568651
>le gawd of rawr x3 but spewkyyyyy xppppp
You fags think THIS is fun and good gameplay?

>>718566827 (OP)
>stamina bar
top kek, expect fucked up boss fights

>>718566827 (OP)
Why doesn't she just parry?

>>718577128
>walk
>black screen
> LIVED IN BURIED MEMORY
>walk
>black screen
> LIVED IN BURIED MEMORY
>walk
>black screen
> LIVED IN BURIED MEMORY

Playing the PSP version gave me an aneurysm

Sometimes I feel like I'm being specifically targeted. Everything I love must be raped into dust, so says life.

>>718588017
Basically all yes.

>>718570586
I don't want my Silent Hill game to have mediocre solvable action combat

>>718566935
it do be like that

>>718566827 (OP)
I made the mistake of watching gamescom yesterday
the amount of actionslop and soulslop almost gave me an aneurysm
I'm looking forward to RE but not enough to buy it at launch

>>718570586
SH never was about fights.

>>718566827 (OP)
Its called roll slop for a reason

>>718566935
is it like nigger fatigue but for souls-fags?

>>718566827 (OP)
Health-bars and some other stuff on the screen?!
Man that's gonna kill the immersion like crazy. Hopefully it isn't necessary and you can turn that shit off.

name a single SH with good gameplay

>>718566827 (OP)

silent hill had dodging since the first game

you idiot tourist

>>718567354

>I fucking hate the excessive difficulty trend that Soulslikes started.

its clear this fucking zoomers didnt play anything before 2009

>>718567398
>I can't stand getting filtered by these games
FIFY

>>718573262

silent hill/ Resident Evil have never been scary because of the enemies but because of the ambience

you dont need to be useless in order to be scared

>>718573262
>In a game like this you shouldn't be able to defeat them
have you niggers actually played a single silent hill game

>>718591229

Most shit takes on this thread are coming from people that dont really play videogames

>>718590416

red borders and blood spatters all over the screen when your health is low is better for immersion?

>>718579228
>Dodging attacks for real, as in actually not colliding with the attacks. Is a lot more satisfying than phasing through them with iframes.
You can do that too, but you choose to roll

>>718579228
In DS1 getting hit during a dodge dealt extra damage, they dropped that in DS3.

>>718579493
KH2’s dodge roll is perfect actually because it has a reasonable amount of i-frames and a lot of end lag to prevent spamming. KH1’s isn’t too bad either, since it also has very few i-frames despite being somewhat spammable.

>>718566827 (OP)
I see a dodge there not a roll

>>718590416
>somebody is praising cod cancer during the retard360 era
fuck sake i wish i could leave this shithole

I miss Dark Souls 1. It wasn't just a boss run game. It had atmosphere and soul. Sure the bosses were easy as fuck compared to Elden Ring. But the way you navigated the areas and the way everything connected was kino. I don't know. I've played Dark Souls 1 like 20+ times but I've only done 2 runs of Elden Ring before I gave up. Later FromSoft games are missing something.

>>718594697
later fromsoft games are actually finished

>pressing a button to dodge an attack ruined gaming
maybe you should give up on video games, retard

>>718595950
>my face when playing nightmare creatures again after 30 years and having fun

POPULAR THING BAD!!!!!1!1!!

>>718596323
sometimes its not related to being popular and shit is just shit. whatever its popular or not doesn't matter
i dont care anyway i hate some aspects of souls-like but not the whole rolling stuff

>>718566827 (OP)
This entry was the best excuse to make a fame like Siren and they fumbled

>>718568651
is the character auto locking and dashing onto the enemy when it does the smash?

>>718573121
this gif has some serious toejam and earl vibes

>>718576179
quiet down cuckmann

>>718567354
>I fucking hate the excessive difficulty trend that Soulslikes started.
Shut up. Shut the fuck up. We're not going to pretend that the era preceding Souls games were at all healthy in terms of their sheer lack of difficulty.

>>718597250
only problem with souls is when they started to go with
>we only made it this way to annoy you

>>718567082
Naw, fuck that. I don't care how much you bitch over
>hurr durr people say souls is le hard but it's le easy
because once 3D became the norm, games were so fucking easy and hand-holdy. It was fair because with 3D the concept of exploration was possible in ways it wasn't in 2D, so focus on pure challenge wasn't required. But for the entirety of 5th and 6th gen, and most of 7th gen challenging games were incredibly rare. Compare something like Castlevania on the NES to Devil May Cry on PS2, or Mega Man to Metroid Prime. Games got easier. Way, WAY fucking easier. Everything was piss easy.

Like it or not, Souls brought the appeal of challenging games back into the spotlight.

>>718566827 (OP)
>Games used to be all platformers
>Games all became shooters
>Games became all soulsborne
There's gonna be another trend. You'll enjoy the pioneer then get tired of imitators. Another trend in the industry. Life goes on.

>the combat needs to be bad on purpose
just admit that having good combat makes the game better even if its a horror game

>>718597770
i wonder what was the most released shit during 1998-2006
i played a lot of fps in that era but i dont remember

>>718598104
3D Platformers and 3D adventure games were pretty big. Console FPS's were growing but I don't know if I'd say they really dominated until 7th gen was fully rolled out.

>>718566827 (OP)
I just checked and gaming is still alive.

>>718566827 (OP)
Nigha now tell me how would implement the mechanics than? She's small and agile, she wouldn't be able to block shit, she ain't pushing that shit either it's only natural for dodge to be there as an avoidance mechanic, and you cannot not have it because it feels jank without it.

>>718567354
>t. tranny journalist

>>718573676
Is that brigador?

>>718594697
Dark Souls 1 falls off after Anor Londo. I will never forgive From Software for the meme boss Bed of Chaos.

>>718599346
>how would implement the mechanics than?
you don't, retard. there's no place for action in horror games. the former destroys the latter; it's like an antithesis.

>>718579228
>Dodging attacks for real, as in actually not colliding with the attacks. Is a lot more satisfying than phasing through them with iframes.
Takes way more effort and skill to do, so that's probably why they go with "see that massive sword that went right through you? did 0 damage, because you did a little roll".

>>718599658
well we got the dragon god in DeS
not that much different

>>718569796
>Should've just been a new Siren game
Hey, retard? Konami doesn't own Siren.

>>718599668
You right I guess I'm trash it goes where it belongs...

>>718566827 (OP)
Curious to try this -- hope my PC can run it. I've never played a Silent Hill so I don't really care if this is a departure from the normal gameplay. The only truly off-putting thing about it to me is the huge hitstop.

>>718574684
i know someone who thinks that like that. He avoids any and all challenge in games because
>It's just frustrating and I don't feel any reward for beating things to begin with
dude is so willingly jaded and his dopamine receptors are so burnt out that he's alive but not living.
He's fucking insufferable to be around.

>>718597454
That's fine for a discussion, but the idea that Souls games are bad because games aren't made with braindead idiots in mind anymore is not a hill I'm even going to let have ants on.

I'll take less horror if it means that the combat is at least passable.
Horror games never were frightening in the first place. The only appeal is in the atmosphere and vibes, imagine being legitimately scared in these games.

>>718600586
i agree with you anyway dont attack me. i was just a random jumping in for no reason
i should play nightern or whatever its on my steam and haven't even opened it

>>718567354
Souls games are not only not very hard, they're designed that you can beat them with a combination of memorization or brute forcing so that you can't get hard stuck, but their rpg mechanics are extremely simple

>>718570586
If you wanted actual difficulty (and horror), the enemy should just fucking mutilate the player without resistance for challenging a physically superior creature while bare handed.

>>718602313
>brute force
as in leveling or trying the same boss 500 times? i rather do the 2 one

More akin to callisto or Godhand

>>718602839
its like watching any media and wondering "why doesn't the powerfull guy doesn't just kill the weaker one before he gets stronger"?

>>718567908
laugh at this absolute retard

>>718567908
darksides was always a meh franchise anyway
i'm surprised it even got more than 1 game

>>718566827 (OP)
Yes anon copycats are usually low quality

>>718566935
I have soulslike fatigue AND souls fatigue.

>>718603838
you can always play other games

>>718566827 (OP)
Dark souls, Fortnite, and Overwatch are the big three games that made the industry complete dog shit, I flatout can't buy any games that uses any of those as a blueprint

>>718566827 (OP)
>Characters moving like human beings to get out of the way instead of slowly turning to the right and walking forward is a bad thing

>>718567354
>I fucking hate the excessive difficulty trend that Soulslikes started.
Holy shit retard just fuck off.
There is no difficulty in fromshit games, because those games are Pavlovian conditioning simulators. They work entirely on brainless training of correct reactions to animations. Encounters in them never change. It is literally impossible to not beat them, given you have time to waste on that drivel. You can train an animal to beat them if you make an appropriate controller.

The problem however, is that fromshit drones somehow believe that performing Pavlovian conditioning on yourself is some kind of achievement that warrants internet clout.

>>718606096
>There is no difficulty in fromshit games, because those games are Pavlovian conditioning simulators
most people who enjoyed des didn't want internet clout