Thread 718646119

VTMB2 is shaking up to an absolutely amazing game, but it will disappoint some people hoping for a more flexible RPG or immersive sim experience. It's basically Mass Effect 2 with Arkane-style stealth and combat. To use an example, you are faced with a group of enemies. How you kill them is up to you. You can punch them to death. You can steal a gun. You can use blood alchemy to cause chaos. You can lurk in the shadows or approach from above. But end of the day, you must kill them all to proceed. You can't complete quests by sneaking past everyone. You can't complete quests by talking your way out of combat. Dialog choices play a huge role, but in the way that they did in Mass Effect 2. There's a kind of compartmentalization, a kind of line drawn in the sand between combat and choice-driven storytelling where the two rarely intersect.

Granted, a majority of Bloodlines 1 was not actually dissimilar to this. You often had forced combat. You often had really only one way to proceed. But here they're not even trying to pretend you have options.

I like The Chinese Room but I don't expect a good RPG from them.

Bloodlines 2 has a very sharp tone. For example, Lou is a complete fucking asshole. Tonally, it's far more Dragon Age 2 than Dragon Age 4. You interact with a lot of characters who have very casually monstrous views. Everyone is a bit of a dick.

I watched Cohh playing it and yeah, I agree. It's not looking like a RPG at all, except for having some dialogue options that hopefully lead somewhere. I'm one of those purists who doesn't think that having dialogue options makes a game an RPG anyway. There's no stats, no skill checks, no inventory, nothing that makes a game into a RPG. Customization is very bare bones.

That all being said, I surprisingly liked what I saw. Seems more like a linear action game, but the voice acting is good, sounds are good and Fabian is less annoying than I thought he would be. The premise is interesting, for once playing a elder, and TCR seems to have invested a lot into the player feeling like they are playing a powerful vampire. I don't think it should be called Bloodlines at all, but it still seems like a decent vampire game, for getting my fix. I'm one of those freaks who played and enjoyed Night Road, lol.

Overall, looks like a decent to good game, not a RPG nor a successor to Bloodlines. I'll pirate it and see what it's like. Not giving those Swedish jews any more money, spent my studentbux on EUV anyway.

>>718646119 (OP)
just recently did a no social skills gangrel playthrough of 1 just punching everything, it was fun.

>>718646745
I like that. A big worry was that they were going to make vampires likeable or even humane. The main character just killing a innocent person upon waking up and being a dick to the freak in his head is a good sign.

>>718646773
>I don't think it should be called Bloodlines at all
100% right, and it's hamstrung the word of mouth badly, but on the other hand I doubt anyone would've been willing to invest this much in the project, let alone try to salvage it after everything that's happened, without the name recognition value attached.

>>718646119 (OP)
I certainly hope you have fun for me.

>>718646787
>mfw protean attack animations
seriously, war form is a downgrade simply because you have to keep resetting your attack animation

>>718647007
it's seriously bad

>>718646119 (OP)
After playing the game, the journalist from my local gaming magazine (Polish CD-Action) says:
>"Do not preorder under any circumstances. This is material for the worst game of the year and for an industry scandal."

You can read the whole thing in English here:
>https://www-cdaction-pl.translate.goog/juz-gralismy/za-nic-w-swiecie-nie-preorderujcie-vampire-bloodlines-2-to-material-na-najgorsza-gre-roku-i-branzowy?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=pl&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true
It's rare for a journalist to be THIS negative about a game, unless it's not progressive enough or something.

>>718646119 (OP)
>Mass Effect 2

>>718646119 (OP)
>>718646773
I think it's going to be a solid 6, maybe 7 depending on your preferences. Basically Call of Chtulhu. Everyone will simply rage it's not what they wanted.

>>718647168
lol incoming threadkino

>>718647195
I think a better comparison is Vampyr, but I agree with your point.

>>718647168
I scrolled through the article and it seems to be about what everone already knows. It's not a RPG, nor is it actually a sequel to Bloodlines. It's a linear action game with some dialogue options. Whether you can tolerate that or not depends on the person. It probably is causing them more harm than good to be marketed as Bloodlines 2.

>>718647168
>worst game of the year
i wish this was a bad as it gets

Welp, can't get worse than trannyguard

>>718647168
And somehow that's the only article everywhere that's overtly negative of what they've seen. It's going to be Veilguard all over again with players at large getting whiplashed after they buy a turd.

>>718646745
>Tonally, it's far more Dragon Age 2 than Dragon Age 4.
Why would you compare it to any Dragon Age?

>>718647759
Veilguard didnt hide 1/3 of its content behind a premium edition

>>718647759
it can. veilguard was at least technically sound and, at face value, a polished game. it was just creatively absolute garbage.

>>718647168
I'm reading his review and trying to wrap my head around what his criticism actually is.
>This open world also prevents us from exploring the interiors of buildings that are in no way connected to the main mission. Despite the fact that the map shows a dozen locations marked in red—be it a pub, a church, or a nightclub—we can't enter them. In fact, during one conversation, a charming woman invited me to her establishment and gave me its address. I decided it was logical to try to go there immediately; after all, I had been encouraged to do so. You can already guess what happened. I kissed the doorknob and had to go where the quest dictated.
I mean, yea, it's not a sandbox game. You have a mission objective in the top left corner at all times. The game has sidequests, but they appear later in the game after you become sheriff. Basically you have the central linear story path, and then in between the major story beats, you are told to go do sheriff stuff around town and can do that in any order. You become sheriff about 2-3 hours into the story.

This is not a game where you halt the mission you're currently on to go pursue a sidequest. It's simply not that kind of game. What he's referring to is Ysabella telling you to come visit Atrium sometime. You can't just wander into Atrium on a whim. You will go visit the nightclub later in the story.

To be fair, I partially get the criticism. That maybe you should be allowed to go clubbing immediately. But again, the game is pretty clear about its vision. The open world is a backdrop and you visit its locations when the game tells you to. I think the review is a wild overreaction. It's not a problem that actually needs fixing because it's a conscious design decision.

just pirate the gog version noobs

>>718647957
Because you cannot make a lesser sequel to a game that's 20+ years old.

>>718647820
Because Dragon Age 2 is the "everything is morally gray and you can be an enormous dick to everyone" BioWare game.

>>718647957
>This is not a game where you halt the mission you're currently on to go pursue a sidequest. It's simply not that kind of game. What he's referring to is Ysabella telling you to come visit Atrium sometime. You can't just wander into Atrium on a whim. You will go visit the nightclub later in the story.

>>718647996
It's not "lesser" it's just completely different. It's a consciously linear game that takes place in an open world instead of taking place in small hubs.

>>718648089
>It's not "lesser"
You have less choices of what clan you can play as lol

>conscious
>consciously
give it a rest

>>718647168
>I praise everything that is independent, but without "The Last of Us" and "John Wick 4" life would lose its taste.

>>718646119 (OP)
>VTMB2 is shaking up to an absolutely amazing game
X

>>718648163
This game has 4 base clans, 2 DLC clans, plus Malkavian. How many did the original have, given this has seven?

>>718648221
I was watching the CohhCarnage stream, and he was absolutely gushing about how good the gameplay, writing, voice acting, atmosphere, and everything else was. But he did caution that people expecting a sandbox RPG are in for a shock.

>>718648276
Why has this shameless shill not been called out yet?

>>718646119 (OP)
no boobs no money

I can't wait for the banned mods

>>718648189
>"I like indies, but it's nice to play some AAA slop once in a while."
What's wrong about that?

>>718647168
>Polish CD
CDPR shill farm is working overtime, otherwise people might notice that
Both Cyberpunk and Witcher have a
-set protagonist that can't be customized
-linear story
-all content can be completed in one playthrough
-even fewer classes than the 4 in vanilla Bloodlines 2

everything VTMB2 is being criticized for is ignored when it's made by CDPR

Most obvious shill thread I've seen in a while.

>>718648230
It had seven clans that you could do entire playthroughs with and different builds for each, not just flashbacks of another clan and having to pay more for two clans like VtMB2 :)

>>718648365
The amount of shill are insane. They don't even try to hide it anymore.

>>718648345
>everything VTMB2 is being criticized for is ignored when it's made by CDPR
Those things aren't inherently a problem for all games, but it's a problem for a sequel to VtMB.

>>718648345
>set protagonist that can't be customized
Based on a beloved book series.
>linear story
>all content can be completed in one playthrough
Not true for W2 (although admittedly it's the worst one)

they named the main character "Phyre" do you really think the writing is going to be good

>>718646119 (OP)
>bullshot
Yeah it'll be great

>>718648230
You're being a disengenuous jack off right now, and it's not even funny. The og game had all 7 clans, including Nos and Malk. This shit has 4 with 2 DLC, which is scummy on Parashit's part. Malk is not even a playable clan cause the Fabian flashback shit does not even count shill.

i hope paradox is at least paying you well shill-kun because you seem like an awful person

I think this thread is just shill larping and not actual shills but incase it is actual shills fuck off niggers nobody is buying your shitty game

>>718648314
RadBrad also said very good things, in fact he stopped midstream to talk about the voice acting. It's very good.

what little chance I had of buying this game went right out the window with locking clans behind a day 1 dlc paywall

not getting a single fucking cent from me and they shouldn't be getting a cent from any of you either

>>718648387
>>718648494
there were no "different builds"
it was just melee or ranged.
domination / seduction / persuasion are functionally the same
everything in the game can be completed in one playthrough. there's no reason to replay VTMB once after you've completed the story once.
did you play VTMB1 seven times? did you play it even twice? did you even get past the sewers before uninstalling zoomzoom?
>>718648457
>>set protagonist that can't be customized
>Based on a beloved book series.
yet it's called and RPG but VTMB2 is being criticized for not being "a real RPG"

the protganosists in VTMB1 weren't customizable either

>>718648345
>-set protagonist that can't be customized
>-linear story
>-all content can be completed in one playthrough
I have a feeling all of those will very much be true in BL2 as well. Choosing your clan and selecting appearance doesn't really mean there's MEANINGFUL difference involved, for example. Problem is that's "good enough" for most people because what they really want is just for the character to look the way they want him/her to.

>>718648325
We don't know if it will have proper mod support. The HSL version was going to, but this isn't that game. Hopefully they release the mod toolkit, though. It would absolutely drive long term sales, and that's something Paradox do care about.

>shill
this word means nothing anymore

>>718648467
That was a retarded decision, but it's explained away by "Phyre" being some concert poster the character sees as he wakes up from torpor. Far bigger problem is the lack of RPG mechanics.

>>718648624
it's just "paid social media marketing"

>>718648592
>I have a feeling all of those will very much be true in BL2 as well.
yes no one is disputing that, but it's being unfavorably compared to witcher when witcher does the same shit.

>>718648467
Phyre is a self admitted alias by the protag.

>>718648624
Not buying your shitty game.

>>718648584
Yes, you fuck. infact I have beaten the game multiple times retard. There were different builds, but I guess you wouldn't know, right, Shill boy?

>>718648457
>(although admittedly it's the worst one)
*best

Ventrue is the best vampire trope btw.

>>718648365
That's how every VtMB2 thread is nowadays, I couldn't tell you when exactly the shilling started (or when it became so blatant) but it's been a while. They even used to quote dev diaries of all things just to "correct the record", as if anyone gave a shit lmao, but I haven't seen that one for some time so I guess they've gotten a little more subtle desu. Probably after a supervisor ordered them to get their shit together.
My bet is on pajeets working with a text converter.

>>718648584
>if I'm reductionist enough ALL games are "press W to move forward and LMB to attack"
this is what you sound like, anon

>>718647826
No it just insulted, shat on and dismissed literally everything to do with the franchise
>>718647937
Ah yes, because that's the new baseline hallmark for a good game

>>718648707
It being an alias does not make it one iota less stupid. Honestly it makes it worse because you're forced to play as someone who would CHOOSE to be named that.

>>718648708
I didn't make any game

>>718648795
Not buying your employer’s shitty game.

>>718648753
It's the Veilguard script. EA at least had money so they could afford actual marketing as well but Paradox is going for social media shilling instead.

>>718648494
>Malk is not even a playable clan cause the Fabian flashback shit does not even count
Personally, I think it should count because it seems like you spend quite a lot of time playing as Fabien.

>>718648837
shill

>>718646119 (OP)
East Asian clan does not exist in this game? That's strange

>>718648584
>there were no "different builds"
>it was just melee or ranged.
>domination / seduction / persuasion are functionally the same
Wrong. You also had multiple ways to engage in stealth with sneaking, obfuscate, or the other disciplines that temporarily distract. You could do long range or close range guns. Gangrel or Nosferatu with animalism to make them like a battlemage.

Persuasion was the most useful social stat overall but intimidation and seduction had their uses if you actually cared about ROLEPLAYING and not just powergaming.

I played VtMB with each of the clans and still played more after that. Nobody is going to be playing VtMB2 as much as people still play the original lol.

>>718646119 (OP)
Shaking out
Shaping up

>>718648863
>Personally, I think it should count because it seems like you spend quite a lot of time playing as Fabien.
You'll only be playing as him like 30-40% of the time at most. That does not count.

did anyone else recieve this email
this was sent to my older email account, which I don't use to apply for things anymore, so that was a very long time ago.

>>718646119 (OP)
That's great, Mr. Shill. You've talked me into maybe pirating this game :)

so is there a "best way to play" image for VTM, like the old silent hill one, or is it not necessary? i only vaguely remember something about the GOG version being packed with some third party mods, and i don't remember if that's a good thing or not.

>>718648890
One thing I can't blame TCR for. Kuei-jin are just absent from the latest edition of the game BL2 is based on.

>>718648847
lmao

>>718648592
There are side missions that can be done out of order, but the weird thing is you don't get side missions until you're sheriff. (You depose Benny.)

See the legend on the map. It shows the icon for side missions. There's actually a quote from the dev diaries about this:
>Taking place after pivotal moments in the main questline, these adventures will offer you the chance to explore Seattle at your own pace. You will be visiting its Clan leaders, keeping the competition at bay and making decisions that will affect the outcome of your journey as Phyre. These are stuffed with Narrative and lore and I'll be taking you from the depths of the underground to the snow-capped high-rise rooftops.
I think Paradox would be wise to focus on the post-Sheriff gameplay for their official stream (I think it's next week?)

>>718649024
>There's actually a quote from the dev diaries about this
Thank You for Correcting the Record(tm)!

>>718648961
I got that as well. Apparently some got upgraded to premium for free. It's based on how much you did the blood point minigame on their website. I think I participated once, lol.

>>718649000
I'm not interested in that. It's enough for me to make a conclusion about the game if I don't see them.

>>718648753
Oops my bad, they DO still quote dev diaries lmfao

>>718648990
GOG version should come with the "Unofficial Patch" that's a go-to for everyone. If not, you can find it here - https://www.moddb.com/mods/vtmb-unofficial-patch

Clan Quest Mod great too but you should only use it after already having played through the game once or twice. I would also advice that your first playthrough should NOT be a Malkavian one, and I'd recommend that your second playthrough IS a Malkavian one.

If you have a card that supports RTX you can also try this - https://www.moddb.com/mods/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-rtx-remaster

>>718649086
Are people not supposed to quote the developers when talking about the game? They didn't give a lot of interviews and instead put out dozens of diaries with quotes from the various departments.

>>718649024
Utterly soulless UI that could be from a million other games.
I shan't be buying nor pirating

FUCK THE TREMERE

>>718649249
fucking kill yourself nigger

>>718649201
thanks. i've played it before but so long ago and never finished it, that it may as well be my first time.

>>718649391
melty

>>718649391
You first.

I'm happy they made a unique interface for PC.

>>718649391
Kek

>>718646773
this desu looks decent and will play but it's not bloodlines 2, not sure i really care anymore

>>718648961
>>718649087
Yeah I got one as well for a free upgrade to the premium edition. I remember using my referral link to sign up a bunch of burner temp email addresses to get however many blood points you needed to get the highest tier reward on that. It's a legit link, it just asks you which platform you want the codes for, so I just took em for steam and I'll probably sell them to a key seller site since I don't really care for how this game turned out. If anything I'll just pirate it.

what a mess

>>718649201
>unofficial patch
is this one of those arthmoor type patches (before you ask no, im not asking because of that video essay, ive been modding other games for years so ive had run ins with that retard)

>>718649391
jej

>>718649391
lol

this game looks dark and bleak all the time
will it have the same humor as the og?

>>718649391
Do you think the gay jew liberal zionist queers turned Fabien into a black man just to fuck with us?

apparently gaming has evolved from drowning players in piss to clean water.
progress.
its more fuckin gblue than subnautica

>>718649727
yes

from what I've seen so far, this game rocks!

>>718646119 (OP)
>VTMB2 is shaking up to an absolutely amazing game
since when? oh wait, since never, buy an ad

can't wait to get my hands on this bad boy

>>718649838
It's not 2004, so no. But Fabien exists to provide levity.

>>718649863
Do the words "blue shift" mean anything to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purkinje_effect

>>718649024
It's a rare type of people who religiously collect dev diaries like a scripture to the point they have one quote on hand for every occasion. In fact you are the only dumbfuck I've ever seen do that, I genuinely can't think of another case.

Now for your question, the answer is simple: after being burned many times, people here have learned not to take devs at their word, doubly so when development has been a circus show. This game has collected so many warning signs and red flags that all the diaries and quotes and interviews in the world are meaningless. Just wait until release and if this turns out to not be complete shit than people will come around. I do not understand why you can't grasp such a simple idea unless you're an absolute newfag who only post in these VtmB2 threads and ignore everything else.

jesus christ you faggots are still hiring babel media to "guerilla and viral market" complete dogshit games.
it's been 2 decades since driv3r and none of it has changed.

>>718650085
>Now for your question, the answer is simple: after being burned many times, people here have learned not to take devs at their word, doubly so when development has been a circus show.
The development has been incredibly straightforward, actually. Completely uneventful.

>>718649727
>is this one of those arthmoor type patches
I am not entirely familiar with what you mean by that. I looked at Google and apparently he's a very disliked modder. The guy who makes the Unofficial Patch for VTMB is someone named Wesp and he seems nice, is open to any discussion, answers people's questions, takes feedback, helps people with bugs and glitches, etc. and seems to be liked by the overall community from what I've seen.

>>718649838
My two biggest fears about this game: that all characters will be completely unlikable and that we get the usual millennial writers' type humor i.e. nothing but annoying snarky quips.

I wont be buying it
I wont even be pirating it, trash game

>>718650132
>The development has been incredibly straightforward, actually. Completely uneventful.
what's wrong with you

>>718650158
From the little I heard from the Malkavian character, it wasn't that bad. A little quippy, but not full on Fishmalk reddit tier shit. Can't speak for how the rest of the game is going to play out

>>718646119 (OP)
I was replaying VtMB1 today, got through the warehouse bombing, and the whole time I was just thinking, yeah this is alright, but I wish I was playing Bloodlines 2.

I couldn't even really sleep last night, every time I closed my eyes I just kept seeing the Bloodlines 2 leaked gameplay footage.

This is going to be a looooong two months. But at least there's frequent reveals along the way!

>>718650132
>The development has been incredibly straightforward, actually. Completely uneventful.
7 or 8 delays in total, almost cancelled by Paradox, switched studio, Paradox saying they will never make a game like it again because it was such a nightmare.

Truly completely uneventful.

>>718648847
>clans behind a paywall
Games become so bad, it's insane
The got worse and ask for more

>>718650220
Stop engaging the shill, anon.

Why is the shilling so heavy?

>>718646119 (OP)
L O L

>>718650325
they don't have the money for actual marketing campaign

>>718650220
Development began in 2021.
It was announced in 2023 for a late 2024 release date.
Was delayed from 2024 to 2025 in order to flesh out the story and polish it up.

The whole thing has been super straightforward. The game shown in the reveal trailer is incredibly similar to the game we're looking at today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lKb7X9_T_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OezVqETqvIQ

its a shame that the girls that were into biting never wanted to try blood stuff

>>718650325
I don't know but its pathetic

>>718650292
I think you're confusing the old cancelled Bloodlines 2 with the new version. There was an older version of Bloodlines 2. It was shit and they canned it. Then development started 4 years ago. It's been pretty smooth sailing.

>>718650386
Did you miss the whole dev change and all that jazz?
And the absolute dogshit trailers that made follow the freeman look alright?

>>718650386
Question. Is The Gardener voiced by the narrator of the Elden Ring trailer, or am I just imagining it?

>>718650325
because they saw us shill bloodlines 1 for the past 20 years and think we're dumb enough to shill the sequel just because it shares the same name.

>>718650292
Hate Paradox for killing the rpg elements of the game

>>718646119 (OP)
Is op a paid shill or is this just ragebait?

>uuuuuuuh development has been pretty smooth if you ignore all the bad shit
WOW

>>718650250
Isn't the fishmalk shit what everyone claims to have loved about VTMB1?

>>718650528
Paid shill. He's been doing it for a while.

>>718650447
But the old version is irrelevant.

>>718650447
There were trailers for a completely different game by a different studio. But so what? Development of Bloodlines 2 began in 2021 after the original team was fired, and the new team chose to make a different game instead of finishing the old one.

>>718650214
who asked?

>>718650648
The latest trailer do not look better. It still has very poor animation quality which means the game is made by amateurs and dev hell. That's why the preorder and version shit is all scammy.
Which means the game is gonna suck ass.

>>718650085
>It's a rare type of people who religiously collect dev diaries like a scripture to the point they have one quote on hand for every occasion.
NTA but it's almost like VTMB is the favorite game for a ton of people and a ton of people actively followed the development???
>after being burned many times, people here have learned not to take devs at their word
that's not even the issue, the issue is people STILL say "the main character is a thinblood i'm not playing it" when that hasn't been the case since they rewrote the story in 2021. "taking devs at their word" means believing them when they say shit like "1000 hours of meaningful gameplay" not when they say "you play as a 400 year old elder". when someone that says some _objectively_ incorrect bullshit they flip out and start incoherently cursing
>>718650097
>>718648715
because they ran out of arguments. i'm almost starting to think those posters are paid shills for a competing company like CDPR or Larian because they always market witcher 3/2077 and BG3 while calling VTMB bad

>>718649838
the best part about bloodlines 1 was how over the top and unashamedly gamey it was at times. like think about grout's mansion, it's not even a good level, but it has a unique design and what's distinctive about it is that it's nothing like the real world layout of a hills mansion that matches the outside of the building. i think that in bloodlines 2 if there was a "grout's mansion" level, because the visual style is realistic and not stylized, the layout would be realistic which would make it smaller and more cramped and wouldn't serve gameplay with the crazy malkavian enemies having no "realistic" reason to be there.

it's probably a good game but it's not camp in the good way that redemption and bloodlines are, it'll just be gloomy and serious.

>>718650715
I just watched four hours of footage across multiple streamers. The game is visually stunning. What "poor animation quality"?

>>718650705
great "games" you made dev

Theres 2 shills. I don't think he's smart enough to post on his phone and computer.

>>718650867
Still wakes the deep is the most reddit white bread horror i have played in a long time

>>718650437
>I think you're confusing the old cancelled Bloodlines 2 with the new version.
Different versions, but still the same game.
>Then development started 4 years ago. It's been pretty smooth sailing.
That is also completely wrong. Dan Pinchbeck, founder and director of TCR left the studio in 2023 mid-development. TCR had to lay off some people when they got acquired by Sumo. They also had to fire a dozen employees at the beginning of the year. In July they had to buy themselves out of the whole Sumo/Tencent thing because they did not like where their studio was going and were afraid they were going to be sold off.

You are a terrible shill, because you don't even have any basic understanding of anything related to the studio or the game.

>>718650919
and yet its there highest rated "game".
It just shows how technically bankrupt they are

DAN PINCHBECK!

>>718650996
Layoffs and studio shuffling seem pretty common in the modern landscape and not a huge source of drama. The studio head leaving is def interesting, though.

>>718650867
I thought it was funny how their Amnesia game killed Amnesia itself.

Game looks amazing. The fact people are crying about the shitty DLC pricing instead of the dialogue or characters shows you that they've nailed it.

>>718651139
>Layoffs and studio shuffling seem pretty common in the modern landscape and not a huge source of drama
I sort of agree, but if you look at the beginning of VTMB2's development at TCR they were 100 people. Now they are down to ~55 people. Losing nearly half of your employees AND the studio director that was at TCR since its founding is pretty wild in just 3-4 years.

>>718651187
it shows you bl1 is a 20 year old most people haven't even played

>>718650867
they remind me a lot of david cage. just a bunch of people that dont want to create games but rather want to create movies but since they lack the skill and creativity they have to resort to making movie games as the bar for video game stories is incredibly low

>>718651187
Shill, picking from 3 dialogue options is not riveting or hearing from your quirky quipping sidekick.

>>718651187
>Game looks amazing
Can you name 3 things that "looks amazing" about it, without talking about the graphics/environments?

>>718650867
what about avalanche making chicken little movie tie in slop and their first real game being high tech AAA masterpiece hogwarts legacy?

>>718651271
Why do you types keep saying people haven't played Bloodlines 1. Why would they be interested in the long awaited sequel?

>>718646119 (OP)
idk after reading this article any hope I might have had for the game pretty much died
https://www.polygon.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-release-date-preview/
>polygon
TL;DR it sounds like it's pretty much just a mediocre linear action game with the occasional dialogue options

>>718646119 (OP)
>VTMB2 is shaking up to an absolutely amazing game, but it will disappoint some people hoping for a more flexible RPG or immersive sim experience.
At this point I will say it's worse than this. At least this game allowed you to make choices.

>>718651364
>mediocre linear action game with the occasional dialogue options
It is. Many other reviewers are saying this.

>>718650786
>i'm almost starting to think those posters are paid shills for a competing company like CDPR or Larian

If they are then the most obvious candidate is Paradox.
>shitting on the first game because people keep comparing it with this sequel
>"that stuff you don't like? it was also in Bloodlines"
>"nah dialogues choices were the same"
>"what if WTMB2 isn't a real rpg, the first wasn't one either"
>"fighting look bad? but it was worse in Bloodlines!!!"
>etc

Ugly female characters

>>718651336
At least you're acknowledging your previous "games" were shit. But thje chicken little movie tie in game was at least a game.

> high tech AAA masterpiece hogwarts legacy?
lol lmao even

Game will probably be shit but people complaining about the lack of RPG elements feels dumb. A big appeal of the original is the lack of RPG bloat like excessive loot or leveling. It was more immersive sim than a WRPG and that was a good thing

>>718647168
>yuro journalist wrpg "fan"
Opinion discarded. I watched the playthroughs myself and formed my own opinion. The game is kino.

>>718651529
>but people complaining about the lack of RPG elements feels dumb
>A big appeal of the original is the lack of RPG bloat like excessive loot or leveling
What the fuck are you talking about? Your post seems like a Chat-GPT answer. RPG is not synonymous with "excessive loot".

>>718651537
>The game is kino.
And you've decided that attaching a screenshot of a man-faced woman is the best way to demonstrate it?

>>718651529
>It was more immersive sim
No, it wasn't. It was atmospheric game, but it wasn't an immersive sim in the slightest. Immersive sim is a design philosophy. And vtmb got nothing of it. Later in the game it shits itself so hard you can't even use stealth, only gun your way through floors of enemies.

>>718649863
....go outside. during the evening.

>>718650050
anon.... what blue shift has to do with ever present blue fog in this game?
did you look at that image at all? or you are the designer of this game and just trying to justify that "artistic choice"?

>>718651770
That's because the game is unfinished, the early game is way more free, the mission where you need to get the explosives from the gang has a bunch of different ways you can go about it

I can't believe Bloodlines 2 is better than Bloodlines 1 in every way possible

Imagine being paid to suck off souless westoid products on this garbage site.

>>718650715
wrong on all accounts, amazing.

>>718651529
Why are there so many false flag posts in this thread like this

>>718651276
>Shill, picking from 3 dialogue options is not riveting
Why did people like 1, then?

>>718646119 (OP)
>>718646745
Same shill. Comparing a walking Sim to a action adventure or a rpg while this upcoming pile of shit isn't either.

>>718651879
Paradox/Chinese Room employees

>>718646119 (OP)
>>718646745
>>718646773
Fuck off, samefag, and buy an ad.

This dogshit site is completely compromised, it's embarrassing.

>>718651879
Every VTMB2 thread for the past year or so has had 2 or 3 dedicated shills who might as well be full on schizophrenics.

>>718651843
>the early game is way more free, the mission where you need to get the explosives from the gang has a bunch of different ways you can go about it
That's and parking. Everything else is pretty linear. Even main quest ship. And sides in Santa Monica, prosthetic maniac, asian vampire, even finding Jeanette favorite disformed Nosferatu dick, all is fucking linear.

>>718651987
What are they going to do once the game comes out. They will lose their job.

>>718651960
Not really, since anyone with two brain cells can see it's one or two astroturfers trying to generate buzz. Look, point, and laugh.

https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?t=1509

>when the kino kicks in

>>718652018
They will just move onto the next game they get hired to shill. Probably something like Borderlands 4.

>>718646119 (OP)
ok ok ok do I just fucking buy the first game already?

>>718652035
>music and scene is entirely ruined by Fabien throwing out Marvel-tier quips and LE FUNNEH HUMOR literally every 10-15 seconds

>>718648847
Wow, fuck that. Not buying the game even if it's a masterpiece.

>>718648230
>plus malkavian
Shill lying trough his teeth.
Malk isn't playable and probably won't be and for this reason alone vtmb2 is the lesser game.

But I see why you're so eager to not being negative or shit on it since you're hoping to get paid a bit.

>>718648345
>-all content can be completed in one playthrough
Nigga, the whole act 2 of TW2 is entierly different depending of your final Act 1 decision. It's not the same story or character. Hell, it's even a completely different map. You either end up inside the city, or in the army camp.

Fuck, even Cyberpunk have final acts that are mutually exclusive. After the rooftop, calling Panam will lead to a ~= 2h section gathering the nomads and riding down in a fucking tank, while other endings can lead you to a fucking orbital station or storming the arasaka tower.

Lying in the internet about popular games is fucking retarded, anon, everybody will call you out.

>>718649863
>Subnautica is blue
well no shit

>>718652269
The shill is saying that Malkavian is """playable""" because there's like a dozen or so small segments where you play as Fabien. He is indeed completely dishonest.

>>718652206
nothing is marvel tier about saying... don't break the masquerade. also, terry davis is an actual faggot retard sperg.

>>718652206
You would think they would learn to stop doing this

>hating on King Terry
Okay, pack your bags and crawl back where you came from.

this little baby has steam coming out of his ears in both this thread and the outer worlds thread.

>>718652001
>Even main quest ship.
Nah. You can stealth, use dialogue options to get the corrupt cop to help you with an easier route, can go full combat if you want and don't care about the consequences, can run up to the sarcophagus to examine it or view it on the hacked computer, can get an objective item from the cop or find one elsewhere.

>asian vampire
You get multiple routes and options to get the key items in the clinic.

Yeah some quests are linear, it doesn't make sense for every single quest to be solved in every single possible way. VtMB is still an RPG without grinding and randomized loot though and IMO that's the best way to do it. Like others have said VtMB2 kind of looks more like an action game with dialogue rather than an RPG.

>>718652361
>nothing is marvel tier about saying... don't break the masquerade
You obviously didn't keep watching, retard. I watched for around 5 minutes and Fabien keeps talking constantly in between everything. Even in fucking one-on-one dialogues you have Fabien there always giving his input on everything. It's absolute garbage.

>terry davis is an actual faggot retard sperg.
Seems like you are the one sperging out right now.

>>718647168
>>"[...]This is material for the worst game of the year and for an industry scandal."
Did everyone forget about MindsEye already? Releasing a game worse than that would be an achievement.
>Jacob, you know what this is? It's THE HARVEST.
>And we... ARE THE CROP.

Who even wanted the Muslim vampire clan

>>718652530
Faggots!

>you can specc into different clans
>meaning you can get every ability in the same playthrough
I doubt the clans do anything besides giving you a discount on certain skills and maybe two different dialogue options

>>718652475
>MindsEye
MindsEye has the excuse of basically just being a demo product for the whole system of "Everywhere" which was meant to be a whole new custom games/modding heaven, kinda like an amalgamation of WC3/Fortnite/Roblox custom maps and modding + Second Life.

>>718648387
>:)
you're seething and malding over videogames, incel.

>>718652530
>Who even wanted the Muslim vampire clan
TCR is located in one of the most SJW cities in the UK. Paradox is located in the most SJW city in Sweden. They both probably creamed themselves over being able to include a muslim clan and making the main character be from the middle east.

>>718652658
sug my benis :DD

>>718652530
someone around before you were even born.

>>718652658
your game will fail and you will get fired :)

>>718648387
>different builds for each
lol

>>718651785
ok. so they apply a blue filter to simulate how our eyes perceive colors in dark environment do a dark environment that our eyes perceive as blue'ish... did i understand you correctly?

>>718646119 (OP)
>shaking up

>>718652832
you play as a vampire

VTMB1 was jankshit that was memorable only because of some edgy jokes and people hold it up as some kind of masterpiece of gaming. It's literally impossible to live up to rose-tinted nostalgia that never existed in reality.

>>718652878
You will get fired soon

>>718652474
>Fabien there always giving his input on everything.
This bothers me. At one point in the demo you see a marking on a wall and pretty much immediately Fabien is there going "IT'S JUST LIKE THE MARK ON YOUR HAND".

It's like watching a movie and having someone talk through the entire thing. It doesn't let you have any time to think and wonder and immerse.

>>718652658
>>718652763
samefag

>>718652878
does your employer know how bad of a job youre doing

>>718652902
That's because this is what normalfags who don't even like videogames actually want. They want to pretend that they "play videogames" because it's considered "cool" now, but they fucking hate gaming and are too shallow to actually enjoy playing a genuine videogame, so they prefer interactive movies they can just consume on autopilot.

>>718652902
>It doesn't let you have any time to think and wonder and immerse.
Yep, and that's why developers love using it. It's basically a crutch designed for retards, so that they don't have to think for themselves and they never get stuck or confused.

It's like an endless tutorial helper or like the infamous yellow paint guiding you, except infinitely worse.

I wonder, did the walking sim dev contact paradox or did paradox contacted the walking sim dev?

>>718653164
Paradox was on the verge of cancelling the entire thing and then TCR pitched their idea to Paradox.

>>718653369
why do these retards keep cancelling their games?

>>718653009
<= He was right all along.

>>718653425
Probably some tax returns. The reason is always the same, money.

mods, they're complaining about malkavian being talkative

>>718653530
Retarded nigger shill

>VTMB2 is sh-
ISOLATED

>>718651795
>anon.... what blue shift has to do with ever present blue fog in this game?
Things look blue in the dark. It's a psychological effect, too, which is why older films shoot night scenes with a blue filter.

>>718652850
ah... ok. so vampire brains and eyes are not adapted to the dark environments and have to apply that blueish filter to see better at night. got it.

>>718653530
>talkative malkavian NPC
versus
>talkative inescapable malkavian in your head literally narrating everything for you, telling you what to think, how to feel, where to go, etc.
2 vastly different things.

>>718651537
nothing more kino than no gameplay self contained walk and talk sections that murder any sense of replayability

What other games are worth playing?

>>718648863
and i, personally, think you're a huge fag because it seems like you suck quite a lot of cocks

Here I stand in this room.
Caged, and trapped inside.

Seems I'm damned to live a lie.
Unaware of what's outside.

Should I care, for what's left me behind..?

I'm here alone...

(and isolated)

>>718653810
Parliament of Knives is good

So it feels like everyone is onboard with female Phyre's design now.

>>718653690
this is the same logic they used in 2005-2013 to justify yellow pissfilter on everything.
and we will cringe back on it in the same way in a few years.

>>718653820
Speaking of which, what are the chances that Fabien, aka Die Hardvamp is gay?

>>718653881
If you only count shills then yeah, everyone's onboard.

I can’t wait to play Lasombra

>>718653984
>i can't wait to pay more to play lasombra

>>718653810
I enjoyed the Visual Novel Trilogy and Swansong

>>718653979
I'm referring more to the fact that pretty much overnight all the whining about the game being "woke" evaporated like a fart in a hurricane. A mere week ago, people were complaining. Now all the complaints are completely forgotten.

>>718654083
Because there are other, larger issues now that we have gameplay footage. She's still ugly and androgynous.

Just wait for Blood of the Dawnwalker. Anyone actually following the news on VTMB2 knows it's a shell of what was promised and the original devs were fired.

does this game really have muslims in it? can you kill them?

>>718653810
Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption(if you are okay with some jank)
BloodLust Shadowhunter 1 + 2 (if you are okay with lots of jank)
Legacy of Kain series, especially Blood Omen
Vampyr
BloodRayne

>>718654083
Now that we've seen some of the actual gameplay there are simply more things to complain about. It doesn't people suddenly like ugly MC.

>>718654083
>people have stopped complaining as much about Epstein's """suicide"""
>this means that everyone is now onboard with his death being a suicide
This is what you sound like.

I am playing for the first time, friends :)

>>718654134
>does this game really have muslims in it?
1 of 4 clans is muslim. The main character is from the middle east 400 years ago, so likely muslim too.
>can you kill them?
Of course not.

>>718653369
why did paradox trust them to deliver a game if all theyve done is create walking sims

>>718654235
Probably some sort of "fuck it, let's try it" sunk cost fallacy.

>>718654218
thanks. dropped

>>718654005
I got a free upgraded to the premium edition, so i don’t have to.

>>718654014
>Swansong
NO, ANON
YOU'LL SUMMON HIM

>>718648345
>set protagonist that can't be customized
wrong
>linear story
wrong
>all content can be completed in one playthrough
wrong
>even fewer classes than the 4 in vanilla Bloodlines 2
most bloodline classes are the same and don't really change how you play the game, there is only 3 classes in the game, the one that talks, the one that fights and the one that lives underground.

>>718653965
>his name is Fabien
100%

>>718654269
lol, retard.

>>718646119 (OP)
buy an ad

>>718654283
>>all content can be completed in one playthrough
>>wrong
Proof on this?

>>718654316
jej

I will pirate the game and play as toreador if they restore Lou's tits and make her romanceable

>>718646119 (OP)
Goddamn, you guys are early. Release is in OCTOBER.

>>718654371
they wont

The first game was a walking sim too desu

>>718654371
>make her romanceable
there IS a romance system, so you might be in luck

>>718651939
Kys, schizo

>>718654250
I think Johan is the only person at paradox who is actually talented and all the other people are just braindead. Paradox has no experience at all with rpgs besides publishing tyranny, so why would they even buy the license for world of darkness? Now the chinese slop created an action game with dialogue options for them which will massively flop and paradox publicly came out and said they will step away from rpg games. So the license will just rot?

Do the shills actually thinks this helps them? It's so fucking obvious when you look at the way they type.
It's genuinely one of the most obvious shills I've seen on /v/.
Everyone that has seen even just a little bit of the game, knows it's going to be absolute trash.
The writing is millennial.
The character creation/customization is zero.
It's completely linear with no real choices.
Forced to play as two pre-made characters.
The HUD is ugly.
The gameplay looks like it's mediocre at best.

If this game turns out to be more than a 5, I will eat my own shit.

>>718654416
>The first game was a walking sim too desu
Yeah and it worked because it had great atmosphere, VTMB2 is shit and has no atmosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuXD3jTDqqU

>>718654083
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the game is so boring and forgettable that no one can give a shit for long
If it turns out to have bizzare, unintentionally comedic writing like Homewod 3 people will care again.

>>718648345
clans aren't classes you retard

>>718654283
did you ignore the
>Both Cyberpunk and Witcher have a
line preceding those

>>718654459
>So the license will just rot?
They'll probably rent it out to people. Something akin to what Games Workshop does with Warhammer.

VtMB is gay as fuck, and only lalahomos like it.

>>718654435
What? Can I romance Lou or the scientist qt3.14?

>>718654524
You are definitely a closeted homosexual.

>>718654514
neither are street samurai or corpo. all they are is a 15 minute intro section after which it's the same game, but somehow no one complains about it when CDPR does it and they get to make billions

>>718646119 (OP)
This is going to be a fucking disaster isn't it?

>>718654572
Maybe? I don't think they said which characters were romanceable, but they did say that there is a "romantic feeding" of sorts instead of the whole sex scene thing

>>718654576
>somehow no one complains about it when CDPR does it
you are a retard

>>718654521
>akin to what Games Workshop does with Warhammer.
I cant wait for the vtm kart racer

At this point I don't even care anymore since I'm not the target audience of this game.

Kill yourself, subhuman shitskin.

>>718654310
don't be a cunt

>frogpost melty
hope they talk more about the game and you pop a blood vessel, you tard

>>718646773
>we finally have raw gameplay
fucking finally
i'll have to admit, the game looks in better shape than i expected.
voice acting is really really good, lip sync not as much but it's passable.

combat looks barebones but it's hard to tell until we can see a mid-playthrough character.

shit like climbing ladders and rainpipe is surprisingly smooth

not a fan of the crosshair becoming gigantic when near interactable objects. the idea is good but it's too invasive, hope there's an option to tone it down

>>718654648
Who are you quoting?

>>718654630
Who even is the target audience?
Fans of the og wont play it because its not a rpg
Normies wont play it because they think vampires are gay and you cant use guns

>>718654524
I just paid full price for it on Steam (directly to Activision) after seeing these tits.

Blood of the Dawnwalker clears if we're being honest

Only good thing to come out of this is more Rik Schaffer music

I can't wait to have a blast fellow based redpilled chad VTM kings! This looks like a return to form! This game will be a goty masterpiece that will mindbreak /v/ and tendies and snoys and contrariana and grifters for sure!!
Huzzah!

>>718654727
is he even involved in this?

>>718654524
I played it as a gay little swedish boy in the early 00's. DET ÄR JÄVLA KINO OCH JAG ÄR TRÖTT PÅ ATT LÅSSAS ATT DET INTE ÄR DET!

>>718650050
This anon having a daylight dynamic range screen. I'm envious.

game looks good. my only complaint is that you can't own guns. we criticized it since that was first announced by hardsuit in summer 2019 and they wouldn't add guns in the game even though the game was reworked twice. just lol.

>>718654718
Why does buffing your strength make you better at lockpicking?

>>718654764
Kind of, as far as I can tell he at least partially created a soundtrack for one of the initial builds of two before TCR took over.
Opting not to have to make an entirely new soundtrack TCR decided to just use what he already created.

>>718654806
>game looks good
Nah

>>718654764
>is he even involved in this?
At first he was gonna be involved, then TCR changed their minds and wanted to just use their in-house music people, but now they have seemingly changed their minds(maybe after all the backlash) and there's at least gonna be SOME Rik Schaffer stuff in there now, but who knows how much.

>>718648089
>. It's a consciously linear game that takes place in an open world instead of taking place in small hubs.
What's the point of the "open" world then?

>>718654718
>I just paid full price for it on Steam (directly to Activision)
cringe
>after seeing these tits.
based

>>718654809
it doesn't, buffing your dexterity does

>>718649838
no, but it will own the chuds

>We are done with third-party IP for the foreseeable future... We are only interested in making Chinese Room games.
>We have a bunch of original ideas we want to bring to life. So we are just focused on our own stuff, our own IP, for the foreseeable future.
this game is gonna be a pump and dump lmao

>>718654951
>noooo why are they releasing incomplete games, early access is a blight, what happened to just making a game
>noooo why are they releasing a finished game, this is a pump and dump

>>718654917
oo gotcha

>>718646119 (OP)
>VTMB2 is shaking up to an absolutely amazing game, but it will disappoint some people hoping for a more flexible RPG or immersive sim experience
>no choices, no customization, no role-playing
So, which part is amazing then?

>>718648847
>Jeanette and Jack outfits removed

>>718655051
>finished game
>cut content sold as dlc
>less content and more shallow than a 20 year old game
I'd be surprised if they even bother to patch the inevitable bugs that will be shipped with the game

>>718648847
>Lasombra
Do they even touch upon the fundamental horror that is Obtenebration?

>>718655142
If these are out, so am I.
Otherwise, I'll pay for the most expensive copy.

>>718655157
You dont know what cut content means

>>718655142
>voermann family potrait

>>718655179
It's time for the Darkness 3. Tie it in, somehow.

But where is the enby butch lesbian?

Doesn't matter how the game turns out. 2 out of the 6 clans are locked behind day-one DLC. Since clans are kind of like class and race in one package, this would be like if Baldur's Gate 3 launched and 4 of the 11 races and 4 of the 12 classes were locked behind day-one DLC. I'm not sure I've ever seen this level of greed before. You only do this when your game is a guaranteed juggernaut hit riding decades of good will, when you know you can really get away with it, which obviously is not the case here, or when you're convinced your product is a flop and you just want to milk the handful of people who were going to buy it no matter what.

>>718655213
They are literally selling day one DLC that could've been in the game from the start.

>>718655213
you're doing a bad job and will be fired

>>718655179
>Obtenebration
Renamed in V5. Now it's Oblivion and way less cool.

>>718651379
>At this point I will say it's worse than this.
Nah, man, Vampyr had your guy teleporting with shadow-powers, but a regular gate, be it made from wood or iron, was an obstacle that couldn't be overcome by any other way than coming from some other direction or finding the key.

Also, the narrative was constantly hammering you what a piece of shit you are if you actually want to play as a vampire in a vampire game.

>>718655284
So yeah, you don't know what cut content means

>>718654510
you're camped out in these threads though. for a "forgettable" game :)

>>718655293
So nothing about the primordial beasts from the Abyss where Obtenebration draws its power from?

>>718655179
What’s the horror about it?

>>718655468
>salubri
>in sabbat
how in the FUCK do those two gel together?

>>718655538
Because the Salubri hate the Tremere and the Tremere are essential part of the Camarilla.

>>718655468
mommy

>>718655468
>totally a caitiff

>>718651537
>kino
Back to /tv/rannoid. And take your walking Sim with you.

I liked the WoD fortnite game

>>718654083
This image has a simmerish fetish energy that pleases me.

>>718655720
It's surprisingly fine, but it's been abandoned by devs.

>>718646119 (OP)
>shit on for years
>release soon suddenly theres people who love it. its great guys!

>>718655469
The Abyss of Obtenebration is a different realm altogether from the realm of Oblivion - this one is more closely related to Wraiths than anything shadow-based really.

Abyss of Obtenebration was said to be a semi-sentient realm that ultimately wanted to drown the world in darkness, blot out the sun and Oblivion is just... Oblivion? I guess, I'm not familiar with it.

The thing is, the more Obtenebration was used, the more it left a mark on the vampire - going so far as to make other vampires feel unsettled by them, not to mention the regular living world.

They appear similar, but IMO something more unique was lost with them changing this shit from Obtenebration to Oblivion.

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Obtenebration_(VTM)

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Oblivion_(Discipline)

>>718654083
Women with their eyes covered are inherently erotic.

>>718656015
We basically went from next to no information to an absolute glut of information.

>>718656040
Is that also why a lot of Lasombra cope with religion and integrated into the Catholic church?

>>718656130
ventrue went for the royalty, lasombra went for the religion

ever heard of frederick barbarossa and the pope?

>>718656130
Nah, Lasombra just used organized religion for its power structure. Remember, Church had a lot of power way back then. I mean, they still do nowadays, though it's not quite so obvious.

>>718656093
we basically went from having no shills to having shills

>GamesRadar: I didn't dare to dream, but playing Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 has convinced me this gloomy RPG is still worth waiting for
>PCGamesN: Bloodlines 2 is the killer Vampire The Masquerade game we've waited 21 years for

>eurogamer : Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2 Isn’t Much of An RPG
>gamestar : The long-awaited sequel probably won't be a good role-playing game. Nevertheless, we are likely to be in for one of the positive surprises of 2025.

>>718656324
>Bloodlines 2 is the killer Vampire The Masquerade game
yeah but there's a small nuance

>>718654197
Hope you enjoy it bro.

>>718656915
he's not even assamite you retard at least shitpost correctly

>>718656324
>>718656405
Very divisive game it seems.

>>718656629
I'm not sure how to feel about it yet, but I'm fucking up a lot of the controls

So this is the power of shills.
I'm not buying your game but I will pirate it to shitpost and show other Anons how bad it is.

>>718654720
Blood of Dawnwalker had a dev team of like 15 people for most of its development people really need to temper their expectations for that game

>>718653881
No? Maybe you are since you are a (not even closeted) raging faggot discord tranny, but normal people hate fugly women with manfaces and "le girl power" stories. Nothing that has been shown looks even remotely good, except the visuals. Most of the character models are meh, and what is the point of giving me a map when it's still a linear game? It's just empty, wasted space now. ALso, zero RPG elements and absolute pigshit dialogue. I really struggle to figure out who this is for.
Clearly not made for VTMB1 fans, so do they think their IP is so big it will attract an entirely new audience?

>>718656015
This must be the script:
>"We" all love VTMB2 now and everyone disagreeing is a Larian/CDPR shill.
>If you think there are legit shills pushing this game then YOU are a Larian/CDPR shill.
>All journalists who tried VTMB2 absolutely loved the amazing voice acting, the amazing graphics, the amazing gameplay, the amazing soundtrack, the amazing characters, the amazing writing... And if they didn't then they were paid by Larian/CDPR so don't talk about them.
>The first Bloodlines game wasn't even that good anyway so if you liked it then you will love Bloodlines 2!
>Stay tuned for more trailers and interviews and devs diaries so you can love this amazing and kino game even more! Don't worry about missing them, "we" will make sure to tell you all about it!

>>718646119 (OP)
So what you're saying it will be way worse than the previous half finished game that was released 2 decades ago

>follow the red blood on the screen to get to your objective
>you want to be immersed? Fabian go tell the player a quip

>>718648584
You a fucking retard. Here’s your you.

>no Nos
>no Malk
no buy

>>718646773
I thought that it looked purely like an action game and the dialogue seemed very forced. Everyone spoke like they were trying really hard to act in a play. The vibe seemed off, too. The first game was dark, gothic, gritty, and humorous. This game just seems like cyberpunk wearing twilight lipstick. I have no interest in playing it now after having watched Cohh stream it. I could tell that he was disappointed due to the stripped out RPG mechanics even after having been paid to shill it.

>>718658209
>Everyone spoke like they were trying really hard to act in a play.
Every VTM game is like that, especially VTMB1.
>The vibe seemed off, too. The first game was dark, gothic, gritty, and humorous.
It's not 2004 anymore.

>>718657505
>and what is the point of giving me a map when it's still a linear game?
For the blood resonance activities and the side missions once you become sheriff.
>and absolute pigshit dialogue.
But it's some of the best dialogue of any RPG. It's worlds beyond VTMB1 in quality.

>>718658372
>Every VTM game is like that, especially VTMB1.
Not at all. Jack seemed more real than anyone in that demo by several magnitudes.

>>718647168
>facing a thankless contract from Paradox
I would assume part of the contract is that they get paid money.

the damage control is weak.

>>718658458
>Jack seemed more real than anyone in that demo by several magnitudes.
You motherfuckers have to start being honest about the original game.

>>718658458
Jack is a fucking pirate vampire cartoon voiced by John DiMaggio.

>>718658458
>>718658416
>tell me you havent played the game without telling me you havent played the game
at least the chinese cucks were upfront with never having played the og, you guys on the other hand...

>>718658416
Not that anon but why do you keep using VTM: redemption as an argument? This isn't a sequel to that game. This is a sequel to Bloodlines. VTM:R had terribly cheesy and over the top dialogue. It was even jarring for me when I played it as a kid who was into vampires.

who's older Cristof or this faggy new MC

>>718658416
You cannot be actually serious. If that is "the best dialogue of any RPG", you must either be trolling or an actual retard paid by paradox to shill. You do know you need to be 18 to post here, right?
You have 100% never played VTMB1 or really, anything older than... what, 2015 maybe.

>>718658372
I sincerely hope you get cancer soon.
Hope your brown family starves as well.

>>718658804
I don't care who he was. He came off like punk biker to me. I've known people who acted like Jack IRL and it made the world of Bloodlines feel realistic. The people in this demo acted like high school play rejects.

>>718646119 (OP)
>VTMB2 is shaking up to an absolutely amazing game
really love that shills don't even try to be subtle anymore
eat shit + die, I will be pirating this and I will never pay for it even at 99.5% off 10 years in the future

>>718658897
Did you reply to the wrong post? That post was saying the voice acting and writing quality in VTMB2 is better than VTMB1, which is true. It's crazy how much better written it is.

>>718658372
>It's not 2004 anymore.
What's your point? That goth stuff can't be done because it's (current year)?

>>718646119 (OP)
>>718646745
>>718646773
STOP REPLYING TO A RETARDED MARKETER THREAD

>>718655179
Dude, the only difference between clans will be the flavor of how you punch people.
Don't expect any actual lore. V5 is all about being an anarch thinblood hanging out with your gay ghoul lover and doing drugs in your dumpy apartment haven.
Seriously, one of the official visual novels where you play a Lasombra is exactly this.

>>718659062
Hide his faggot post, wish a plague upon his shitskin family and just move on.
Responding to him is literally responding to a smelly brown cockroach who was paid 500 rupees by paradox to desperately shill their piece of crap. Just remember that.

>>718659062
>Did you reply to the wrong post?
Yes, my bad anon.

you shills know that the only reason this game was made was due everyone loving and talking positive about the vmtb right? Calling it trash won't make us like your shitty game, it'll just turn away even more people. Did no one train you pajeets?

>>718659160
nah, fabian and lou comment on the character's clan, and even in the short two hour demo there were several conversations with clan choices. on top of the your clan having less blood cost for the abilities associated with them.

>>718646119 (OP)
I predicted that this is how it will turn out. But Paradox had to employ their unpaid shills (likely discord organized) for astroturfing threads to come in and tell me that ACKSHULLY the original game was really linear, knowing full well what I meant when picking apart their statements of how the design was fixed, but trying to take it out of context as much vas possible.

>>718659160
>Dude, the only difference between clans will be the flavor of how you punch people.
actually wrong, since you can take skills from any clan.
I've watched 3 playthroughs of the demo so far and there was only 2 lines of dialogue changed. One from Fabian when you choose your clan and one from Lou when you arrive. Thats it, no new dialogue choices.

>>718659291
Yeah and the origin path choice in Cyberpunk 2077 is super impactful too.
Your clan choice won't affect shit.

>>718646119 (OP)
Should have used money on the development instead of shilling here.

>>718658849
People in that demo did not talk and act like real people. Jack did. I've known street punks IRL that acted like him. He seemed like a gritty, funny, and realistic person that happened to be a cartoon vampire instead of a cartoon vampire with dialogue seemingly written by AI desperately trying to act real. The whole film noir, cyberpunk theme that they're going for feels terrible compared to Bloodlines, too.

>>718659568
Replied to your post on accident, I fully agree with you that the people in the intro of 2 were badly to mediocre written

The worst thing about this is that after this shit the VTM franchise will be killed off completely. There will NEVER be another real game in the franchise, only visual novels about gay tranny sex and collecting pronouns.

Maybe it's for the best, that it does, but this is literally the worst way it could have happened. It should have died with dignity and without throwing up all over Bloodlines' memory.

>>718659068
That it doesn't fit the modern cityscape. Gentrification. That sorta stuff.

By OP's admission it's not even the traditional idea of what Bloodlines is as a video game. I mean if you're into the World of Darkness sort of games you'll probably get into it. But this franchise would have always been a hard sell for me if VTMB1 didn't exist. I never really bothered to get involved with the table top. So it's just like you're making a game I don't want to play at the end of day. There's quite a few licensed games and I don't care for any of them. And it won't be any different from all of those officially licensed games. It just shares the name of a cult classic in popularity.

>>718659749
The IP should've died in 2000, because it just doesn't work beyond the 20th century.

>>718659160
Lou definitely cares about your clan choice, as does Benny. (Lou fucking hates Tremere.) We simply haven't seen enough of the game to know the kind of impact clan choice has on the personal dynamics of the game.

>>718646745
My Wife

>we haven't seen enough
>after the 3 hour mark the writing and dialogue choices will improve!

>>718659474
>Your clan choice won't affect shit.
What were people expecting, though? For example in VTMB2 if you play Brujah everyone expects you to be anti-authoritarian and a rebel and to fight the man. And they're surprised if you're a cammie suckup. Like, it's not clear to me what people actually want or realistically expect from a game like this?

We go back to the Hardsuit game. What was that version offering clan-agency-wise that this version doesn't?

>>718659910
It's not going to amount to anything beyond the occasional line of flavor text and it will have no actual impact whatsoever. Mark my words.

>>718659160
>punching people being different per clan
Not even anon, with every discipline being able to be learnt by every clan it means there's no practical gameplay differences except at the start. It's completely homogenised.

>>718660017
Quests unique to clans, NPCs that don't talk with you because you're the wrong clan or need extra persuading and vice versa NPCs that treat you better because you share their clan.

>>718648847
I was already on the fence with the fuckass ugly MC with 0 customization, but this seals the deal lmao

>>718648707
I fucking hate the trope of
>main character has some gay alias because the voice acting would be too hard to do otherwise
Just give them an actual name then ffs

There clearly is no God in heaven.
If there was, he would be bathing Paradox HQ in cleansing fire for trying to sell day-1 DLC and season passes for a fucking INDIE WALKING SIMULATOR.

>>718659910
I hope your clan doesn't matter because I'm going to play as a loser blood mage and I WILL fuck Lou's tits

>>718648847
>stop sign DLC
I want to cry but I don't know if it's from sadness or the tragicomical absurdity of this.

>>718659941
I wonder if you can fix her or if you'll need to be an evil bastard to "romance" her

>>718658742
Code

First thing I would test had I a build on hands: can I ignore the Benny set up trap while looking for Fabien's corpse.
If we're in a situation where I can't even enter the building until I've triggered the other event, then we have a problem.

As I was saying when the first gameplay demo showed up: the game needs to give players some sense of exploration/discovery, or it's going to get critically panned.
Missing that fundemental element of being lost and stumbling upon the world is going to antagonize a good chunk of the playerbase.

That said, the one thing that can make or brake the game for me is the level of granularity in long term interactions. Nothing that can be shown in a two hour slice, nor something I'll trust testers with.
I'm willing to accpet the game being so heavily focused on conversations, byt they really have to make it worth our while... especially if they expect us to replay it several times with those heavily prescripted Fabien sequences.

>>718646119 (OP)
why are these threads always so inorganic

>>718646119 (OP)
Kill yourself shill. This game is going to be an obvious disaster.

>>718659474
well, everyone loved cyberpunk even posters in this thread :)

>>718660582
>or it's going to get critically panned.
You're really, really stupid if you think Paradox hasn't already paid for favourable reviews telling you to "buy and play before you pass judgement".

>>718660479
"Our game isn't actually an RPG but here is some tits 30 minutes in to make up for it."

>>718648847
>have to pay extra to play a clan from the first game
Get out of here with that shit.

>>718659260
admitting the original game was flawed isn't hate, you weirdo.

>>718659392
There definitely are clan-specific ways of dealing with certain characters. The thing is, during the opening part of the game there aren't many scenarios where clan-specific politics come up. (Also, saying the same thing as a different clan can be interpreted differently.)

>>718660582
I meant by players. I don't give a shit about the opinion of paid professionals, unless they earned my respect, and there's no one of that caliber left right now.

>>718660307
>Quests unique to clans
those are in the game, just not the first two hours of the game, retard. and you play as an elder (though weakened) sheriff working for the court after the introduction, no one is going to not speak you. and there were clan dialogue choices, you blind motherfucker.

>>718653881
Who is this everyone

>>718659993
Put it this way, none of the videos of the game have played long enough to become sheriff and unlock side missions, clan contracts, cross-clan disciplines, or any of that stuff. It's a very big game.

>>718660697
Was meant for >>718660857
Now 'Ill get that coffee.

>>718654371
>Hot girl from the first trailer nowhere to be seen
>Lous tits destroyed
>MC is an ugly faggy male (both versions)
>Day one DLC for classes
Ima pass

>>718660307
>Quests unique to clans
I think this is a fair expectation, but we just don't know whether it has them or not.
>NPCs that don't talk with you because you're the wrong clan or need extra persuading
It appears to have this, with characters being hostile or friendly depending on clan. Lou and Benny react somewhat differently depending on how you present yourself. Apparently Lou is a flattering suckup if you play Toreador, but none of the streamers have played that clan.

>>718654727
I love Ming fat ass tits

>>718660909
I dont care about how long a game is, I care about the quality, and the quality of the writing I've seen in the first 3 hours were not good enough to justify me getting any excited over it. And that is BEFORE shit like scrapping the rpg mechanics, day 1 dlc etc.

So is The Gardener gonna be Caine?

>Expect to have sex with a whore
>I immediately start drinking her blood.
FUCK YOU

>>718654727
How do I find that clan in the new game? Fuck off with version 5. Where is half of this fucking story?

>>718661254
I think if you don't like the writing in the first three hours the game simply isn't for you, because it's clearly world class writing. The mainstream audience are gonna lose their minds, especially when they learn that the primary inspiration is stuff like Succession.

>>718646745
why is there a pedophile on the left

>>718661372
That's "vampire sex" for you. You get the pleasure of feeding, of being fed upon, the weird sensation of turning, for a fleeting moment, into one single organism with two hearts, minds being melded through the sympathetic attributes the sharing of blood has for vampires, the experience magnified by the blood bond.

>>718661721
just say it's gay sex bro

>>718661484
Not that anon but no one in that demo spoke like an actual human being. They spoke like they were performing in a play. Have you ever heard the expression, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it?" That applies here. When people claim the writing is mediocre, they're saying that the people in the demo act fake. It's immersion breaking.

>>718661484
>The mainstream audience are gonna lose their minds, especially when they learn that the primary inspiration is stuff like Succession.
Will they stay interested long enough to learn that, if the niche audience isn't uplifting the game to their attention?

>>718646119 (OP)
Shit yourself

>>718646119 (OP)
I am not sure why people expect big variety from Bloodlines when original was mostly linear with choices at best to sneak or kill all.

>>718661484
>the game simply isn't for you
it is neither a game for people that love the original nor is it a game the mainstream audience will like. It will crash and burn.

Not buying your shit game with terrible dialogue, stupid voice acting, janky gameplay, boring visuals, awful writing and ugly MC with zero charisma. Especially not the dicksucker or cumguzler editions in which you lock shit that should be in the game behind paywalls I hope you choke on any money retards give you for that.

Why is the Lasombra fighting style doing the "I love you" handsign? Did they confuse that and the devils horn with the closed thumb?

After what i seen now, optimistic about the game. All i want is just the same setting, charismatic characters, fitting music and some night environments to roam around. To be immersed.

Original Bloodlines had no character customization. Character progression was a single screen where you choose which dots in which skills you want. It had no inventory. No item management. It was a very linear game with the only major choice coming right at the end. There were lots combat sections, especially in the second half of the game. There's barely any actual diologue. By which i mean something where npc's aren't just regurgitation lore or monolguing at you. By comparison to original Bloodlines, Cyberpunk is a titan of RPG's.

>>718648163
i am fine with them adding more clans via DLCs, that lets develop actual content for them beyound basic abilities.

>>718661762
The acting in the demo is sublime, though. It's basically the peak of videogame acting. So it can't be how they say it.

>>718661746
You have weird obsessions.
And that's coming from me. Anon.

>>718661847
Because the game, to many, was at its best at when it offered those options. Now, you may call them misguided, but people felt Bloodlines offered alternatives at the start, and things got more and more simplified the more the game enfolded - till reaching the combat only finale. This is generally believed to be because of the devlopment issues the game suffered. So what they want of a Bloodlines 2 sequel is a game that can manifest the promises of the first game up to the end.
Troulbe is, could just well be that Bloodlines was /always/ meant to be the way we got it in the end. But it's going to be hard to beat a narrative built on 20+ years of hope.

>>718662087
>It had no inventory. No item management
Yes it did. Your post must be what inspired the clueless devs that worked on Bloodlines 2.

I'm glad I never got into WoD if they could never make another good Bloodlines. Sounds like I always dodged a bullet. I always contemplated it because I loved Bloodlines so much. But now? pass.

After what i seen now, pessimistic about the game. All i want is completely a different game where literally everything is changed to be better.

>>718662168
Take Cyberpunk as an example. Compare Silverhand with Fabian. One sounds and acts like a real person and the other sounds like a college student doing his best film noir impression. I've known immature punks that acted as retarded as Silverhand IRL. I've never known a single person who spoke like Fabian.

>>718661847
>b-b-but the original
Are we still in 2004 with a bunch of guys on Source engine?

>>718662404
I am replaying original for 100th time now AGAIN and all i need is more of it, not some onions gta/ubisoft crap clone.

Also, Swansong was good VtM game.

>>718662386
To be fair, Fabien is meant to sound weird. He *is* a phony, and meant to sound like one in a caricatural manner.

>>718662518
But every single person in that demo was just as fake in one way or another. If the entire world feels fake, it is difficult for me to feel immersion. Bloodline 1 didn't have that problem.

>>718662386
>Compare Silverhand with Fabian. One sounds and acts like a real person and the other sounds like a college student doing his best film noir impression.
Fabien is fucking insane, though. He has a golly gee shucks monologue running in his head at all times.

>>718662482
>Also, Swansong was good VtM game.
I'll stand y my original assesment: it's a flawed 7/10 game that's totally worth your while if you're a fan of the setting, but probably too rough around the edges for most people new to it.
Too bad it got critically destroyed by people expecting what it wasn't delivering.

>>718662634
>If the entire world feels fake, it is difficult for me to feel immersion. Bloodline 1 didn't have that problem.
Like 10 minutes into Bloodlines 1 you meet Jeanette, who is the exact opposite of real.

>>718646119 (OP)
the fuck does ME2 has anything to do with this shit? are these the only two games you've ever played? i don't remember commander shepard being a raging tranny bitch even at his lowest

>>718662634
I have no strong opinion on the voice acting myself, haven't cared enough to listen (I generally turn voices off to make passing text smoother; I read fast).
Was just just pointing out you were picking the one example that didn't really help with your case.

>>718662241
as someone who did get into WoD, you're absolutely right. it's been nothing but abject misery

>>718662686
My point is that no one seemed realistic. They didn't talk like humans. They didn't act like humans. Every vampire seemed comically powerful and spoke like aliens from another universe. The game allegedly takes place in 2024 but nothing about the world feels like it belongs there. It's like the game doesn't know what it wants to be and it shows.

>>718662851
>the fuck does ME2 has anything to do with this shit?
Direct source of inspiration, for one. You don't notice the parallels?

>>718662956
>They didn't talk like humans. They didn't act like humans.
They're not humans. That was an explicit mandate. They don't have friends. They're not people with fangs.

>>718662838
She genuinely seemed crazy, though. I've known borderline personality basket cases like her. Fabien seemed straight out of a comic book. I don't care if you think "I'm not making a strong case." I'll make my case by not buying this shitty game.

>>718663000
>Direct source of inspiration
Oh dear, do we ever have some garbage on our hands.
Not that I'm saying ME2 isn't a competent game at what it is, the RPG part being completely secondary. But it was probably a bad inspiration to work off.

>>718663000
how so? i don't see it
it looks more like a bad mix of call of duty and dishonored with usual UE sprinklers on top
are you referring to non-choice dialogues? that's hardly a ME exclusive

>>718663050
You're mistaken if you think I care about you buying the game. Despite what the anti-shill schizo thinks, I'm not here to sell you on it. I'm here to talk about it.
Your case being consistent and well presented has value to me. Your buying the game? Who cares, pirate it.

>>718663334
You can't tell the difference between good writing and world building from bad writing and world building because you haven't played and beaten as many RPGs as I have. You have nothing of value to say.

>>718663435
Impress me with your wisdom then.
I ask for nothing better.

>>718663621
I don't need to justify myself to you. Eat shit.

>>718663282
Skidmore said that Shepherd (presumably FemShep) was the key stylistic touch point for Phyre.

>>718663679
Then why did you?
Have a nice day anwyay.

>2 clans as Day 1 DLC
>Malks and Nos not in because that would require effort
Glad I knew this would be shit from the start so I didn't care about it

>>718662896
Well, you should have tried listening then you sperg. I used Silverhand as an example because it's obvious where the inspiration for Fabian came from. Everything about this demo screamed shitty Cyberpunk knockoff with twilight lipstick. Instead of people that act like human beings like in Bloodlines 1, everyone just acts like a theater reject awkwardly reading from a script. It's jarring if you're a fan of the original game.

>>718663898
If you think Jeanette didn't seem real, you're extremely sheltered. I've met a ton of psychotic, loose women that acted like her. It's impossible to have a conversation with you if you can't tell fake characters that act like theater rejects from characters that act real.

>>718647168
What pisses me off the most, is how they got rid of hardsuit labs for taking too long, but then spent five years with chinese room. Like, if you're going to be like that about it, then just give the hardsuit lab guys the time they need, you know? What parashit has done here, is utterly ridiculous.

>>718661472
racism under the guise of "inappropriate stereotypical narrative"

>>718647957
>To be fair, I partially get the criticism. That maybe you should be allowed to go clubbing immediately. But again, the game is pretty clear about its vision. The open world is a backdrop and you visit its locations when the game tells you to. I think the review is a wild overreaction. It's not a problem that actually needs fixing because it's a conscious design decision.
You sound like a paid shill.

>>718664330
>just give them infinite time and money!

So is the game like the OG where you have a hub and some side missions or is it linear?

I am getting flashbacks to Silent Hill 2 Remake.

>>718664470
It has side missions, but they're introduced later. The hub is like 25 blocks of city.

>there are people ITT who think this looks good https://youtu.be/yKdn4vQ9SOQ?si=Fb_iRa8en1qDs-rx

i remember the threads when this was shat on by everyone lol

>>718664079
Look, you picked as an example to not sounding natural the ONE character that is designed around not sounding natural.
That doesn't mean your general point doesn't have value, you just need to pick a better example if you want people to see it.
That's it. Not an attack on you. No one cares about you or me in the context of those threads, anon.

>>718664268
Coming from tabletop in clubs, there's always that issue of realism vs verissimilitude.
You can present material that is factually true, but if the players have no experience with said material and it goes against their common wisdom, then they won't accept it. Conversely, you can present things that are a complete fabrication that goes against what's possible, but if it follows the naratives around which the players have constructed their lives it'll get accepted without a second thougt.

>>718664882
>That doesn't mean your general point doesn't have value, you just need to pick a better example if you want people to see it.

Why do you think random anons on 4chan need to justify themselves to you? I'm not here to "convince and sway the masses." I'm simply posting my opinion. I'm not in court. I think this game is shit and it's blatantly obvious to most fans of Bloodlines 1 why that is.

>>718663621
nta.
one of the ways to identify it is too look at how they handle exposition.
bloodlines 1 trusted the player to figure out most relevant aspects of it's setting through context clues with NPC for clarification if the player wants too. even then what exposition the player did come across is presented with heavy characterization such as bertram shit talking some clans while praising others when asked what they are or damsel going on about communism totally working guys when asking about how vampiric government works
meanwhile bloodlines 2 has a support NPC stuck in your ear there to explain everything you come across because they don't trust that context clues will be enough for you. whose entire personality is "noir detective." with no real opinions about anything

you know its gonna be woke as hell. yeah i know i know lets stop with this woke shit. but then again, i don't think they gonna let you play as your own character, like customization and shit. bc everyone keep saying they gonna force you to play as bisexual no gender character-shit? but female voice? i don't know, i wish vampires bloodlines 2 were a thing with Brian Mitsoda, bc Brian deserves better than this shit!!

>>718665239
go play dead state and see how much of a has been hack mitsoda is

>>718649945
Reminder, parashit have said that they will never work on a world of darkness game ever again, after this. So this is basically a dead game. Don't expect story dlc or a sequel or anything. Even if it is successful. It's utterly dead before it's even released..

>>718646119 (OP)
It’s gonna be a solid 6/10 game and you all know it. It’s not going to suck nearly as much as you think and hope it will but it’s also not going to properly live up to the original. Everyone will just shrug their shoulders when looking back at it a year from now

>>718664797
Is there any more of the game in the alpha or is it just this one location? the combat looks like shit but I'm curious to see what exists of it. Aside from what we already knew about.

>>718646119 (OP)
Paradox hiring ESL shills still? Disgusting.

>>718665375
I'd be fine with that if it ended up being a 6/10 RPG but it's a 6/10 action game instead. They made this game for a new, younger audience instead of for the fans of the original game with obnoxious day 1 DLC on top of that.

>>718665375
i think you underestimate just how annoying ppl will find fabien's constant commentary

>>718658209
Idk. Cohh went over the paid time and said he loved the game. He, of course, said that Bloodlines 1 and 2 are completely different games and using the brand of Bloodline is probably doing more harm than good, which is true. I don't think Cohh was lying about his opinion, he was very upfront when playing Veilguard.

>>718646119 (OP)
TL;DR

>>718658936
Cristof. This vampire is around 400 years old, or something like that.

>>718665838
What makes you think that he wasn't paid to "go over the time in order to show more?" He was obviously marketing the game but I could tell that he was laughing AT a lot of the awkward dialogue instead of laughing at intentional jokes.

>>718653810
None. There is, still only one, which is bloodlines 1. And redemption, of course, if you are into the real old shit.

>>718664401
This was to be expected.Woke shit demands victims it's the full Asian segment in this case

>>718646119 (OP)
>western chara design

Won't even be pirating this shit

>>718646119 (OP)
>shaking
shaping you stupid esl retard

>>718653881
My manhood isn't hurting when i play a tomb raider game, so i see no reason not to play as a vamp chick. That's never been my problem with the woke shit. No, it's the nigger worship. It's that the wokesters are all stupid braindead morons who clearly have been brainwashed by the kikes.

>>718662956
Bruv, they aren't supposed to be humans nor act like humans, especially the protagonist. There's plenty of things to complain about this action game they call Bloodlines 2, but this isn't it.

>>718654576
Sir, just so you know, i still haven't bought cp2077. I haven't even pirated it. You are not alone in hating cp, Sir. Semper fi, bitches!

>>718666238
>>718659568
This is the difference between the vampires in each game. In Bloodlines 1, they seemed like real people afflicted with vampirism instead of comic book vampires acting in a play. If you can't tell the difference, you can't differentiate a well written RPG from a poorly written one.

>>718665958
Why would he be? There's nothing achieved with theatrics about that and he's not the kind of guy to lie about it. He's not going to lie about liking a game. Looking for a conspiracy about shit like this is stupid. Bloodlines 2 is a dumbed down action game, but that doesn't mean it can't be a good action game on its own right.

>>718652530
They fill the Stealth niche of the game like the Brujah fill the Brawler niche and the Tremere fill the Mage niche.
It's the entire reason for them to exist in this game

>>718650141
>>718649890
what i specifically mean is, is the patch purely objectively (as can be objective) bugfixes, with no restoration of content that wasnt in the original game, changes according to highly subjective personal interpretation, and so on
like basically as close to the original game on launch minus bugs
>arthmoor
skyrim modder that started adding random changes and additions to his mods outside of their scope, also having a stranglehold on the biggest unofficial patch where many other modders required his as a dependency, adding terrible non-bugfixes to the patch, issuing DMCAs to people who tried to patch his patch to get rid of the retardation, just generally being a bitch etc

>>718666163
I could see playing a female vampire in an actual RPG. but not in a game that's all about punching people in the face. the mandatory combat in this game is all brute force. women are completely out of place as combatants in that kind of world.

>>718666494
>They fill the Stealth niche
Muslims aren't stealthy, they attach bombs to their vests and run into crowds.

>>718666449
This is a ridiculous thing to complain about. Not every sequel needs to ape its predecessor in every manner. Yes, many of the vampires (not all!) acted very humanely. Bloodlines 1 focused on that aspect of unlife, with a fledling as the main character. Bloodlines 2 has a elder as the main character. This is echoed by the plot of the first game being about the sarcophagus, and the plot of the second game being about the elder in the sarcophagus, with Fabien, the retard in your head, having opened the box. I don't see the problem here.

What is a problem is that Bloodlines 2 isn't a RPG at all.

>>718646119 (OP)
>no pacifist run
not rpg desu

>>718665123
>Why do you think random anons on 4chan need to justify themselves to you?
You don't. I'm just going by the assumptions that if you're bothering to make an observation, then you want people to see your point. Which doesn't have to be true, in which case ignore me trying to help.
That's it.

>>718665236
The over-exposition is something else - it's not so much the voice acting as the *writing* itself that an issue there, and as someone that's not a fan of it, I can totally see the point.
Trying to be fair to the designers here: they're stuck by their choice of making the PC an elder. Unlike a neonate game, in which character and player are both discovering at the same time (which allows letting the player feel smart by intuiting things), in an Elder game, the PC is supposed to know a lot of stuff the player won't necessarily, and act according to that knowledge (which is a problem when asking the /player/ to make decisions without proper context). With most players not bothering to read codexes, that leaves designers in a tough spot.
The one thing that could help redeem that in the long run is Fabien being an unreliable narrator. But even then, I'm not happy with him existing, so far.
All that said: Fabien notwithstanding, I don't think the game's been going too hard on exposition. So the character basically looks like lightning rod for that shit.

>>718647168
i CANNOT WAIT. popcorn is ready and waiting.

>>718666641
So, pure stealth until the strike then?

>>718666701
>This is a ridiculous thing to complain about.
No it isn't. If I'm going to spend 60 hours in your character and dialogue driven RPG, it better be well written and immersive. The first game wasn't written like a marvel superhero tale. Why should I expect the sequel to be like that? If you're fine with consuming trash, that's your prerogative. I'm not. Don't call your fucking game Bloodlines 2 if it's nothing like it.

>>718666729
>'m just going by the assumptions that if you're bothering to make an observation, then you want people to see your point.
You see my point just fine, though. You're just being an autistic, argumentative retard for no reason.

>>718666238
They actually are supposed to be humans outside of really REALLY old elders and antediluvians. The whole point of VtM and WoD in general is humans dealing with becoming monsters in one way or the other.

>>718664797
nigga this is from hardsuit labs build that got practically scrapped, if you're trying to be a dishonest nigger at least put some effort in it

>>718664418
Why not?

>>718667571
>this is from hardsuit labs build that got practically scrapped
i know
>>718664330
>Like, if you're going to be like that about it, then just give the hardsuit lab guys the time they need, you know?

>>718666805
yeah, pure stealth until failing to be stealthy and failing to survive.

>>718665239
>Because World od Darkness was never woke

lol, lmao even

>>718667745
business acumen of a ten year old with a five and dime

>>718667139
No I don't? If your example goes against what you're telling I don't. It being clear to you doesn't mean it is to others.
I mean, I can intuit that you're a complete retard and don't know what you're talking about, or I can pinpoint the discrepancy and hope you amend and make things clearer.
That's usually how civilized conversations go. And again, you can ignore, I don't matter.

>>718667538
To be fair, that's always been codependent on Humanity (the stat), which has always been a very unreliable tool in the tabletop. We for some reasons have 4th gen 3000+ years old vampires with 9 humanity, and others barely a hundred already down at 3 or less.

>>718666729
>they're stuck by their choice of making the PC an elder
That is the hell of their own making, no pity points there. Don't fucking make game about being an elder if you can't pull it off both gameplay and narrative wise, and from the footage so far they failed at both.

On somewhat related note, i will forever have respect for SE to have balls to just not bothering with any exposition in FFXIII, it cost them a lot of goodwill, sales and whatever but making characters act like they actually live in the world and let player figure it out through codex is how it should be done, fuck normalfags who can't be bother to read.

>>718667880
But they have now spent five years with tcr, so it was all for nothing, in the end. They didn't end up saving any time, ultimately.

King of /v/ gives his opinion: https://www.youtube.com/live/MuJW7FxF0Oo?si=RSeI-puXMop9GoY1&t=22672

>>718667964
Was a lot easier for SE since FFXIII gives you no choice to make.

>>718667909
What are you unclear about? Tell me, you fucking clueless autismo. That Jeanette doesn't seem like a real person? If you think that, you're a goddamn sheltered moron that has never spoken to a young woman in his life. There are millions of loose, crazy women with daddy issues out there.

>>718659759
All commies should die.

>>718668067
>five years with tcr
4, plus they probably worked peanuts compared to hardsuit

I haven't seen a game so clearly and artificially shilled by a marketing team like this in a very long time. They must be fucking desperate.

Don't forget the 30 dollar dlc to unlock the most popular clan that was a baseline in every version of the trpg and the original bloodlines fellow young autonomous consumer units!

why did they even call it bloodlines 2 instead of VTMB:new subtitle?

>SM Memories
>nostalgia jukebox
jesus fucking christ

>>718668638
they wanted a bloodlines sequel then got rugpulled by mitsoda and his friend