Thread 718653805

>keep the DoW2 retreat button
>still allow reinforcements at all times
why?

>>718653805 (OP)
What's worse is they made some boring ass boomer city building sim. I want brutal, apocalyptic, inter-species warfare. Not roleplay as a fucking desk jockey urban planner 40 000 years in the future.

>>718653805 (OP)
>why?
Iron Harvest developers
They rely on government gibs instread of customers

>>718654046
I don't mind the base building. Removing builder units is going to cut down on the base management time significantly.

>>718654046
bait used to have effort put into it

I stopped caring after DoW 3 gameplay trailer

>>718654258
Well start caring again, because they're definitely pretending DoW3 didn't happen.

>>718653805 (OP)
I can't believe they are making a new game after the travesty that was DoW 3

not a fan of the camera angle

>>718654485
It's adjustable.

>>718653805 (OP)
Why not?

>>718653805 (OP)
Why not? Most of the time reinforcing is fucking slow, and losing the entire squad is a no-no

>>718654314
>they

It's Iron Harvest devs, not Relic.

>>718654502
>>718654549
Because teleporting dudes one by one into active combat is silly. It drags out fights unless they balance unit damage with the expectation that there will always be a slow trickle of extra soldiers going into each skirmish. It also diminishes the value of inflicting casualties since the enemy doesn't have to give ground to lick his wounds. He just stand around, or even attack all while "healing" his squads.

>>718654754
>It also diminishes the value of inflicting casualties since the enemy doesn't have to give ground to lick his wounds.
Retard

Honestly, having only 4 factions is a good thing. It lets them focus on the quality of what exists, and nobody likes or plays as Astra Militarum or Chaos anyway.

>>718654872
fuck you, dumbass

>>718654754
The resource cost? That being said DoW 2 did reinforcements best

I AM PINNED HERE

>>718654886
>It lets them focus on the quality of what exists,
>developers of the Iron Harvest

>>718654754
That doesn't happen in Dawn of War 1, though. If you can't bring a fight to a close, you lose out via requisition or even morale. If you are floating 2000 requisition to continue reinforcing, it is you who is the problem for building cities instead of playing the game. If your opponent is floating 2000 requisition to continue reinforcing, it is you who is the problem for being so relaxed that they're capable of choosing to not play the game yet still somehow remain inside of the game.

tell me about iron harvest

>>718655018
It's a german game

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>718655018
Shockingly mediocre.
The very definition of 5/10. There's like a couple cool things in the SP I remember.

>>718655018
It's a game

>DoW 2 maps
>tanks now relic unit
>late game base is 5 buildings

I’m glad relic no longer has the IP. That studio is nothing but a shambling corpse now.

>>718655018
Played beta and remember it being a mid CoH clone

>>718655140
>I’m glad relic no longer has the IP
Sure.
Too bad they got replaced by literal shovelware devs

Didn't dow2 have in combat reinforcing too?
I think it required a transport or something nearby

>>718654046
Dawn of War 4 removing base building was good, though. You don't need to be walking around the map fortifying random corners or building barracks in weird fucking locations. That's pointless. It just adds busywork. Nobody wants to hold some techpriests hand as they say
>alright time to build a barracks
>I now need to build a second barracks
>time to build a power bank
>I will now use this power bank to power my on-field barracks
That's gay. You're gay for wanting that. Faggot.

>>718655257
I think you could place beacons that would teleport reinforcements in around them

>>718655257
Yeah you could only do it with HQ, troop transport and some specific abilities like nid towers and imperial guard bunkers i think?

>>718655298
>meanwhile the only RTS alive is one with base building

>>718654937
I still think providing limited reinforcement spots, like transport vehicles and maybe resource gatherting checkpoints/outposts would be cooler from a tactical and lore perspective. Teleporting shit is expensive and risky. I hate seeing it used frivolously like that.
It also diminishes the value of kills to me, the player, when I know there's a line of replacements waiting to get deployed to replace that space marine my ork boys killed.

>>718655457
>It also diminishes the value of kills to me
What a lame argument

>>718655298
You either go full basebuilding (aoe2) or leave basic as basic as posible (dow2)

>>718655487
Is it? It's bashing plastic toys together the franchise. If I remove the enemy unit from the play I want it to stay gone instead of a new one popping up in its spot.

>>718655560
>It's bashing plastic toys together the franchise.
It's an rts game first and foremost. Gameplay >>>> /tg/ wishful delusions

>>718655495
DoW1 and 3 had base building. DoW2 sucks NIGGER dick.

>>718655605
Both tg delusions and gameplay from in combat replenishment.

>>718655612

>Build one of each building
Why bother with base building at that point?
Just make it so going up a tier drops a building at your base, maybe on relic sites?, and it can get destroyed to make you go down a tier

>>718655849
>Why bother with base building at that point?
Because it gives you more ways to play unlike brainlessly pushing lines like in DoW 2 and 3

>>718655135
Oh neat, I guess it's dead on arrival.
That sure saves me time

>>718655849
>Build more barracks/vehicle equivalent to shit out units faster
>Build more research buildings to upgrade faster
wow so hard

>>718654113
It ain't bait, unc. Base building sucks.

>>718655135
>late game base is 5 buildings
Ok maybe there's still hope

>>718656023
>Ok maybe there's still hope
DoW 3 says hi

>Admech in base game

COGBOIS MAKE SOME NOIZE!

>>718655976
Not relevant until late game

>>718656119
What a poor shitter

>>718656057
>DoW 3 says hi
Cities: Skylines says hi

>>718656142
>Cities: Skylines
Far superior game than DoW3, so I am not sure what you've meant to say.

>>718655101
Medicore is 7/10, retard-kun

Dow1
>OMG! People keep sending builders to the corners and rebuilding. Games take forever this sucks!!!
Dow2
>OMG! There's no base building at all. It's literally just rock paper scissors!!
Dow3
>OMG! This is a fucking Moba! Spells matter more than unit composition!!!

So, what will people complain about for 4? Lack of spells?

>>718656201
If you want to build cities that's the game for you. DoW 3 probably sucks, idk, never played it, looked too gay. But DoW 2 is superior to the first game.

>>718656275
No no no, play Iron Harvest.
It's a 5, you can feel your time being wasted. But the game itself is solid enough to make you think about better 7/10 games.

>>718656318
>So, what will people complain about for 4? Lack of spells?
Trash ui
Moba gameplay
Rudiment base building

>>718656346
>But DoW 2 is superior to the first game.
Okay shill

>>718656318
>So, what will people complain about for 4?
Quite literally everything. All 3 of the previous games were released in the era before "new game bad, old game good." Bad then people would complain about specific things, more or less legitimate complaints. These days people (mostly /v/, people in general still enjoy games) hate games just because there's no nostalgia factor.

>>718656461
>SAAAR NEW GAME GOOD OLD GAME BAD

>>718656497
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, common side effects include among other things: paranoid delusions.

>>718653805 (OP)
To appease both DoW1 and DoW2 players
Compromise!
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>718656359
What's moba about the gameplay of 4? Do include some examples.
Also why do I have to wait 2 minutes before making every post, this website became so fucking gay

>>718656346
you are such an immense fucking retard holy shit. Snip your balls, you should not reproduce

>>718656461
>All 3 of the previous games were released in the era before "new game bad, old game good."
Have you been on DoW2 release here?
Discussion here was ad hominem central.

>>718656658
>He didn't verify a throwaway email
Lol, lmao

>>718656704
I liked vanilla ice posting.....
The lack of base building and Games For Windows Live were legit complaints though

>>718656658
>What's moba about the gameplay of 4?
Map design

>>718656790
>I liked vanilla ice posting
Wasn't that more of /tg/ thing?
>GFWL
Yea, I quit 2 until Retribution, then I just couldn't go back to 1

Ok lorenerds, outside of the Games is Gabriel even mentioned? Did he gets to do anything cool?

>>718657098
/tg/ called him commander hair gel, >we called him Vanilla Ice IIRC

>>718657114
Gabriel specifically? No.
Blood Ravens however made a few guest appearances
>Responded to Captain Titus's SOS in Space Marine and strike group helped him cross a bridge
>4th company fought in the Battle of Cadia

>>718653805 (OP)
Source on that?
Either way, retreat button itself is just a "I'm tired of microing this unit in this losing fight"-button.
The question is whether it will also speed units up over time and will also mess with damage resistances(90% less ranged damage taken, 50%? more melee damage taken, normal AOE damage)

>>718656940
nukes are fake and gay and a jewish invention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYr6uGTsL7A

nukes do not exist. they have never existed. there is no such thing as a nuclear bomb. there is no such thing as a tiny bomb that can fit inside a suitcase that can flatten an entire city by "splitting an atom". its just like the jewish big bang where "nothingness exploded into everything".

we have bombs, but why would they fake nukes? because they needed to invent an ultimate superweapon to use in the news (which the jews own). they used ww2 (a jewish plot from start to finish performed by freemasons on every side) in order to introduce this "new superweapon" in hiroshima/nagasaki. they were firebombed. there was never any radiation issues in these places. they were the most wooden cities in japan. all the proof of nuclear bombs is provably hoaxed and gay, simply watch the video i linked up above to see every nuclear test since their inception. they needed to invent this superweapon so they could utilize it for further news stories. the cold war was a 40 year fake war where "russia is printing nukes! we need to print nukes" the reality: both the american and russian governments are owned by jews and they just wanted to siphon trilions more dollars while keeping the civilians in fear-based-war-related trauma. nukes are a convenient tool to justify war. in 2003 america said "iraq has weapons of mass destruction capable of reaching america and london" and this was used as the justification for the invasion of a sovereign nation. the only place nukes exist are in games, movies, and fiction

>>718653805 (OP)
relic developers do not play their own games since CoH2. aspects of their games that are plainly obvious to anyone that actually plays them are completely missed by relic developers. the same crisis is ongoing or was before they ceased development of CoH3 and moved on to this new game.

>>718654981
Everyone keeps shitting on that game. What did it actually do wrong?

>>718657448
anon, it's not Relic making this.

>>718657482
indeed, I apologize - I should not have assumed they were involved

>>718657364
https://youtu.be/Wsf2hN1rPEw?si=_ZK6RUpl46gJobQU
11:54

>>718657394
>nukes are fake and gay and a jewish invention
>these are the people who you argue with

i had to refund dow1: definitive edition. it keeps fucking crashing and i cant even play dark crusade in skirmish.
heres hoping dow4 works.

>>718657456
>What did it actually do wrong?
Everything

>>718657456
It's like a somewhat worse company of heroes with cool mechs instead of tanks. It's nothing to write home about, but it's not the 2nd coming of hitler either.

>>718655921
Ah yes, the very valuable playstyle of building 5 copies of the armory.

>>718657456
I actually dug up the fucking Kickstarter, because it's needed to understand who these scummy fuckers are.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kingartgames/iron-harvest

They started this shit with promises of "the game that will save RTS", got x5 the allotted funding. Then the game kept getting delayed ( I think it got delayed by 3 years total).
until eventually it comes out half baked, full of bugs, and literally just a worse version of Company Of Heroes.
Not in a "company of heroes like" sorta game. In a "holy shit, I rather play company of heroes" sort of way.
You literally feel like you're wasting your time playing it.

Then the fucking multiplayer was broken as all fuck and instead of working on balancing it, they just abandoned it.

Now they come back again....give me fucking Uber Entertainment, give me the fucking FTL guy, fuck, give me PirateSoftware* over these kickstart grifters


* At least I know not to pay attention and save my time

>>718657798
Actually yes, which you would've knew if you weren't a shitter

>>718655135
>late game base is 5 buildings
So it's entirely faithful to the original, then?

>>718656119
>dont build research building
>more resources/free builders to rush shit faster than your opponent 2 minutes in
waow!

>deep silver
Gotta be frank: That's not exactly synonymous with quality.

>>718657329
>4th company fought in the Battle of Cadia
Man....Thule better not have go boom with the planet that would be sad...

i thought this was actually going to be a constructive thread but its just boomers shouting at clouds and being mad about a game that is in alpha.

sad

>>718657456
Nothing, so far it's just like DoW1 but with newer graphics. Contrarians are just being contrary.

>>718658360
>thought this was actually going to be a constructive thread but its a /v/ thread
real shocker right there

>>718658537
Anon was asking about Iron Harvest.

>>718653805 (OP)
They didn let Arch play the demo because hes based, thats all you need to know. It means they are woke and thats why the game will be bad.

>>718657979
Quite opposite

>>718658634
Oh, right. Then everything.

>>718658360
Okay, you can return to /tg/ now

>>718653805 (OP)
You are trying so hard to find things to hate about this game its funny.

>>718658837
I dont like it because Arch said its bad, hes never wrong.

>>718658837
So far it's the only thing I hate. Everything else looks good. Great even.

>>718658653
>thats why the game will be bad.
No the game will be bad because they listened to the "fans". Listening to the "fans" (nostalgic boomers, loud minority) will inevitably lead to failure. The best thing devs can do is completely ignore the "fans" and do their own thing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, that's life.

>Shills already here
Grim

>>718658360
theres nothing to be constructive about until we see more. im cautiously optimistic that it might be fun but im incredibly worried it'll be shit since it has the iron harvest devs working on it.
only time will tell.

>>718658653
>being mad at base building in a RTS yet alone in franchise where there's a common theme about building kilometers long FORTIFICATIONS
>being assmad about reinforcing system from 2004 while ignoring morale and weapon adds system balancing it out
>thinking every game someone hides in a corner with a base and not like sc people instaleaving the moment they know disadvantage cannot be overcome
DoW1 was good, nottg but actual retards are mad about reinforcing via teleport when on tabletop unit "killed" mostly means"unable to fight anymore" so it can be stunned, heavily wounded etc.
DoW2 ws also good, it's just diffirent gamestyle than DoW1 so obviously people that expected more of the same are upset. If DoW1 somehow vanished, DoW2 is sitll a good small scale game
that being said, dow4 trailer looks way to much like dow3 and cinematic was meh
the fucking outrage about basebuilding and reinforcement system is literal skub argument

>>718653805 (OP)
>>718654046
>seething dow2 kike is mad
lol

>>718657536
That's the source for in-combat reinforcements. I was asking for a source for this game still having a retreat button.

>>718657932
Are you retarded? The armory upgrades take like 20 seconds to finish. I'm pretty sure building a second fucking armory takes longer than most upgrades. There is no way upgrading in parallel makes any fucking sense. This isn't fucking Star Craft where each +1 takes years to finish.

>>718658745
>1 chapel barracks
>1 armory
>1 machine cult
>1 Reliquary
>1 orbital relay
>not a T4 base in DOW1

>inb4 plasma generators
COPE

>>718660281
>trying to get land raider without energy
okay retard

>>718660363
If Plasma gens count as base building then DOW2 has base building.

>>718660435
Sure.But it's still rudimental shill.

>>718655849
Stupid ass NIGGER
DoW3 let you build forward barracks for recruitment and squad reinforcement. Which you would know if you played the game.

>>718658837
you literally had retards on /v/ saying its like dawn of war 3. Thats how you know they never even played that abomination

Looks like a good combination of 1 and 2 to me.

Surely the devolopers of Rts with Mechs will add THE Mech faction right? Right?

>>718660281
i know they have said their wont be plasma gens and you wont have a specific unit that builds the stuff for you.

i hope they throw a bone and make the building animation for space marines/adeptus include servitors tho.

>>718661015
Is the base game sells enough, every faction will eventually be added as DLC ;^)

>>718661015
If the game does well, my bet is on imperial guard and tau as the first post launch factions

>>718661153
First expansion will be IG (They already have units in the game) and Chaos (Naturally)
Second expansion will be Tau and Nids

>>718661223
oh yeh i completely forgot about chaos lol

>>718653805 (OP)
I remember that one mod that didnt let you reinforce unless you had a transporter near - I think it was firestorm over cronus
would you prefer that?

>>718654046
the game will suck because of the base building, all base building RTS games with the sole exceptions of TA/Supreme commander are garbage

The people who like base building are mouth breathing herbivore players who want to turtle up for an hour and then unleash some big horde force and clean up the map.

It's a style of gameplay I grew out of when I was 10

There's no focus on the actual fun parts of the gameplay - unit engagements, ambushes, rolling retreats to bait players; no, what you get is a huge focus on tech trees to auto-empower units so they can survive stupid plays, and building/unit production to churn out troops infinitely so your bad plays matter even less, or not at all.

Game is designed for drooling retards.

>>718655018
It's a mid Game. Feels like someone trying to develop CoH in a different engine and not quite getting it. Still Operation Eagle and the Usonians (Burgers) are fun to play.

I'm pretty sure this game is going to finally kill Eldar. Feels like it's always been that Eldar are only 'recognized' for DoW and now that they're not in who gives a fuck? Necrons and AdMech already look cooler than Eldar could possibly be.

>>718661475
>he's a TA/Supcom fag
kek

>>718655612
Dawn of War 2 had the best gameplay of all the DoW games

all its problems had everything to do with the game outside the game - idiot decisions by relic and games for windows live that literally broke the game for half the people playing and forced them to refund.

>>718656346
>But DoW 2 is superior to the first game.
you are wrong.
you are so wrong you deserve phisical punishment. you should get punched in the face for being this wrong.

>>718654886
>Honestly, having only 4 factions is a good thing
The original DoW came out with 4 factions and I'm tired of seeing people pretend it didn't. Much will depend on how quickly they come out with an expansion adding new factions. Even Winter Assault only added one along with the campaign. As long as they follow a similar timeline, it should be fine.

>>718661223
>>718661313
I hope they don't just throw the Black Legion again as the Chaos faction. Word Bearers would be better. Hell put the Alpha Legion in

>>718661475
zoomer bronze in rts detected

>>718661447
The game wasn't designed with that in mind and I'm not familiar with the mod so I can't say for sure, but in general, yeah. I think reinforcement should be around specific buildings (not necessarily only the starting structure) and some specialised units like transporters, or a hero being able to place a transponder beacon. Just popping out of thin air isn't doing it for me.

>>718662060
If they do Alpha Legion, I damn well expect the schizoid space CIA we were promised and not just another warband.

>>718657114
They had a funny episode with the Custodes after the Great Rift
>Aurelia sector is wrecked but BR keep on fighting
>Custodes show up
>Captain should we clean our armor? They're the Custodes....
>No, let them see us as Warriors not Posers
>Here bitch, build Primaris and shut the fuck up you bum looking marine
>Don't like your tune banana boy, we are 80 vs 5 and you are on the wrong side of the Rift.
>You know who you are threating?
>Yes I do, in fact what happen if we damage your pretty ship and the Astropaths, good lucky getting out of here.
>Yeah whatever just make Primaris

>>718654485
I love it

>>718662060
My schizo theory is it will be Iron warriors or wordbearers, purely because they are the most likely factions to get their primarch return in 11th

>>718662296
If I recall, the custodes tried to find out who their primarch was and failed.

>>718661539
Battlesector and Gladius didn't launch with them either. Hell BS still doesn't have them.
Devs must have realized that they don't need to put space elves in games any more.

>>718653805 (OP)
i think i never liked the rts
my strategy is always turtling and building doomstacks of endgame units regardless of the game

>>718655135
What a disgusting muddy art style

>>718653805 (OP)
>good parts of DoW1&2 mixed together
>Pleases both sets of fans who played it
>overall everyone seems positive about it
Are we back DoWchads?

>>718662975
do you enjoy turtling and building doomstacks though?

>>718663117
We'll see.

>>718663117
It really looks good. I'm trying to hold out on the hype but it's hard.

>>718663117
I'm cautious. I'm waiting to see how it plays out in practice first, but having synced fighting in addition to synced kills is a good sign that they know what they're doing. I don't like that they supposedly killed off Cyrus.

I just want an actual campaign like WC3, Starcraft and DOW2. They better not neglect it for multiplayer slop.
Also bring back Last Stand except with actual dev time in it this time. It's unironically one of the most fun horde modes in any game.

>>718663230
>campaign
70 missions
>Last Stand
Is back, check the website.

>>718663230
I was genuinely shocked to hear Last Stand is back.

>>718663230
they did bring back last stand anon

>>718663345
They must have done their homework on both player communities, if not been involved with it themselves

>>718653805 (OP)
>>718657364
>>718657536
>>718659695
Ok, I found it myself. Also noticed the retreat button on screenshots with the interface.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UkTeH8vp8Os&t=1117s

>>718660952
If you don't like /v/ so much you are free to fuck off to /r/sigmarxism
>ergonomic UI is now losttech

>>718663345
>>718663319
>>718663403
>Last Stand is back
OK it's kino. I will be cautiously optimistic.

>>718661694
>Dawn of War 2 had the best gameplay of all the DoW games
Delusional nostalgiafag. DoW2 gameplay sucked cock and was barebones low-scale micromanagement of a couple of squads.

>>718663482
Oh, sorry. I was gonna reply with a video where I heard that but had to go to a meeting.

>>718657114
He has a model on tabletop.

>>718663560
DOW2 was peak in terms of the combat. Just the resource management, base building and number of units suffered. It was disappointing how the factions lost so many unit types going from Dark Crusade to 2.

>>718663534
Comfy RA2 snow bases

>>718663230
>WC3, Starcraft
Isn't it funny that you've listed RTS designed for MP.

>>718663675
Chaos benefit the most from 2 since they went from very Khorne army into more undivided army in 2.

>>718663117
I still have some gripes with the graphics, mostly the animations and particle effects.
Also a game like this can utterly have its back broken by shit balance or buggy mechanics.
Overall it looks somewhat promising. Hope they have a beta before launch.

>>718663675
>DOW2 was peak in terms of the combat.
This literally means nothing. What are you even talking about? It's CoH with melee.

>>718663731
Shit as they were, SC has at least put effort into their campaigns even going into 2.

>squads are fluid floating balls
>civ mobile game vibe
>youtubers given codes talk in a worried tone while praising the game
>female marines confirmed to be in
Loved DoW2 mp but i'll never be a GW consoomer again

>>718663731
They may have been designed for MP, but Blizzard wasn't pulling any punches with the campaign either.

>>718655135
I can't get over the total war unit cards. They've even got barrier (or maybe it's ammo)

>>718658745
So you want a rts or a grand strategy game? A total war game? A city builder?

>>718663832
Maybe it's morale

>>718663786
Bait is an artform, and what you've posted is the equivalent of a stick figure painted with your own shit

>>718655018
Extremely cool setting on paper, boring in practice. Imagine if everytime someone on the team tried to make a cool mechanic they'd be shut down by management screaming it would be "hard to balance" or something. Ends up being very sterile.
Quite the opposite of what would make a good warhammer game.

>>718662296
>hey here's some free reinforcements for your near dead chapter, you're lucky you're getting that after half your lads turned chaos... Again
>I COULD SHANK YOU IN AN ALLEY AND GET AWAY WITH IT
>yeah, that's not indication it's gonna happen a third time or anything, fuck it, golden boys we out.
Why was this seen as a big W for blud ravens? They come off as spiteful cunts, bananas were helping them, and we're genuinely due a bit of respect

What happened to Relic anyway? Was dow3 such a fuck up that they weren't even considered for the new game?

>>718663952
DoW3 was Concord before Concord was even a harebrained idea. It was that bad, it was so bad in fact that even giving it away for free couldn't save it. The community has ever since collectively decided to pretend it doesn't exist.

Wow, I actually thought that the game not being made by Relic is a shitpost but it's unironically not Relic LMAO
This actually gives me hope it's good.

>>718663832
Plus rank chevrons

>>718663852
Definitely ammo now that I look at it, none of the guys with sword and shield have the bar at all, while units with ranged weapons either have it or not as if it ran out while being at full health.

So is this good? If not then there's no reason to expect DOW4 to be good

>>718663560
God forbid you would need to micro manage your units instead of 1A-ing your doomstack into the enemy base.

>>718664114
>So is this good?
It's a german game

>>718661015
Knights is the big robot faction now.

>>718653805 (OP)
"We don't know how to make Dawn of War 1 anymore so we're going to make a compromise between the game we didn't make and the game we made to make something that's probably going to end up playing more like Dawn of War 3 that everyone will hate".

You don't hate Relic enough.

>>718664202
Anon, it's not relic making this.

Review of DOW4's dev's previous game
Are you excited?

>>718664202
This isn't made by Relic lol

>>718664267
Yes, small devs getting their big break usually go all out.

>>718664267
I am. I've seen studios improve between releases. I probably won't buy on release, but it won't kill me to have some hope.

>>718654046
Base building is fine as long as every building has a function. Base building becomes shitty when most of the buildings have no value other than allowing some upgrade path or tech level, and all of them start to cluster in a really small spit of land and it becomes base tetris.

DoW1's base building was fantastic because almost every building had a function and a place, really only breaking that in Soulstorm. There were also very few buildings, just enough to fit in the grid of a single builder. Which was by design: No base tetris if you only have to build 16 buildings total and half of them were circumstantial like large plasma generators.

>>718664308
>, small devs
Geee I wonder why studio which is on government payroll cannot hire more slavs and turks

>>718655257
it did but it got nerfed a few times in multiplayer

>>718655135
They need to get rid of the useless shit at the bottom of the screen. I don't need to see a card for every unit I made its an RTS there are going to be a shit ton, get rid of it

>>718663885
I'm still not wrong

>>718664451
>They need to get rid of the useless shit at the bottom of the screen
I think that's more indicative of a low unit cap if anything. Either way I agree it looks fucking awful and is useless visual noise.

I'll take DoW2 remade and improved, the campaign was great at least.

>>718664067
The guys who made Iron Harvest are doing it, it's not the best game, but I'm hoping they learned enough from it to make DoW4 good.

>>718655298
>That's pointless. It just adds busywork.
It's called strategy. Some races, like the Orks, benefitted from having guerrilla bases around the map because their entire strategy revolved around a few sets of very powerful units buried in loads of trash made specifically to counter problems that arise, and if someone like the IG immediately got units to snipe that shit the moment it left your base, that's pretty much GG unless they're a surprise.

Space Marines get orbital drops so they don't have this kind of issue but another race with slower units that rely on ambush, like the skellies, needed it.

>>718664704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXIQAKq6VEE
It was peak

>>718664836
>It was peak
Chaos rising is shit.
don't try to discuss, I'm objectively right

>>718664836
I don't know how I feel about Avitus being the canon traitor. It was always Martellus for me, but him being the betrayer didn't really fit.

>>718664038
The comparison at the time would have been to Battleborn... I think that had already happened at that point.
Come to think of it, that's a pretty good comparison.
Both games were superficially unappealing, both games chased the moba audience and both games were unable to keep the playerbase they did get for more than a month.
I guess DOW3 had even less excuses though because it didn't even get buried by a similar, bigger game releasing at the same time. It was just that much of a miss. I mean I had over 2000 hours in the franchise and I didn't buy it after playing the beta.

>>718664274
>>718664258
Oh really? The Iron Harvest devs are making this?
I actually kind of liked that game.

I'm playing this for Admech alone. Haven't touched any other DoW so I guess I can't be that disappointed.

>>718663897
It was no victory, it was more of a annoyance to the Custodes and he did act rude to the Blood Ravens for no reason. It was more of a case of a "I won't back down to you" kind of deal and the Custodes just left irritated instead of going triggerhappy like they do. Also the Blood Ravens Primaris did show up for the Indomitus Crusade and helped quite a bit

>>718664836
>avitus betrayal
Fake and GAY and CHAOS propaganda

>>718655298
Fuck off nigger I'm a macro enjoyer

>>718664114
It's bad. The pathing is atrocious, the balance is atrocious, and to top it all the game feels extremely slow and sluggish.

>>718665171
This.
It felt like a 00's RTS ported into the modern day. While the gameplay was good the issues surrounding everything made it a slog. IIRC they fixed many of the problems with patches and that's why it has the score it does on Steam.

I wonder how they'll do on the VA front. DoW1 and especially DoW2 had some of the most incredible voice work I've seen in video games. Unparalleled stuff. Relic always knew their audio.

>>718664836
For me it's this whole misión https://youtu.be/ABqaQbiie1E?si=dZ_-salDSqHt6e_V

>admech is a faction
Wait, so who got cut? Was it Eldar or Chaos?

>>718665385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-5QD5_c6P8

>>718664836
>It was peak
>barely an rts

>>718665458
Eldar is out. It's humies vs metal humies vs orks vs chaos now.

>>718665029
>Named in honor of the Blood Ravens' conquest of the capital city of Kronus and defeat of the treasonous Imperial Guardsman there, this weapon has a dark reputation among the chapter's battle brothers. Some whisper that the death cries of the Guardsmen of Kronus can be heard when the weapon spews its hail of bolts.
It makes sense when you consider what happened on Kronus.

>>718665458
>Was it Eldar or Chaos?
Both. Chaos will probably be day-1 DLC
And Eldar are now replaced in lore byt Necrons and byu Marines in gameplay

>>718665524
HUH, gonna be weird not having Eldar at launch. Guess they'll be the first extra faction they add.

>>718665451
I really liked how you got hints of how each one was traitorous

>>718665549
>>718665524
Space Commie bros we lose again

>>718665458
>>718665524
Both Eldar and chaos are out. It's SM, Orks, Admech and Nekrons.
Knowing the series Chaos will probably show up in DLC, if the game does well enough to get one.
Maybe they'll get teased in the Last Stand mode like lasts time.

>>718665627
None gives a shit about Eldar

>>718665714
Admech was a surprise.

>>718665331
>It felt like a 00's RTS ported into the modern day.
>meanwhile actual 00's RTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ouejDOElfQ

>>718665492
WHEN THE GALAXY BURNS
WE WILL DEFINE RTS

>>718655018
I didn't hate it but I also didn't like it either

>>718665385
They rehired Steve Blum for Cyrus. And I'm pretty sure the voice actors Relic used are free agents. There's no reason why they couldn't hire them outside of old age. I'm sure their experience working on DoW1+2/CoH would be a bonus too.
eg. They'd get a ton out of rehiring the three Dobson brothers as they voiced multiple factions and characters.

>>718665771
some anon shilled me that shit yesterday and I was uninstalling it in less than an hour.
what a fucking garbage

>>718653805 (OP)
Dawn of War is sadly always treated as a casual Company of Heroes
I hope Relic keeps updating Coh3 instead so one day it will be as good as Coh2 post community fix

>>718665724
Everyone cares about Eldar

>>718665891
> in less than an hour.
So you've jobbed on the very first mission/first match?

>>718665761
Definitely, especially since there already is an Admech vs Nekron game coming out soon.

>>718665962
yes, it was shit and I'm not wasting my time.

>>718665934
Game already have 2 imperial factions at launch

>>718665771
Supreme Commander was so overrated. Boring AF compared to DoW, any blizzard rts, Rise of Nations, AoE/AoM etc

>>718665970
The theft will continue until Trazyn gets involved

>>718655018
It was a budget kickstarted RTS that tried to reach the sun and failed midway
Really enjoyed the mechs and scenery

>>718665887
Sure, that's promising, but there's more to that than just the talent. You need directors, filters, mixing etc. You don't get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xgB5XrIihk just telling a good voice actor to do a spooky voice.

>>718666008
LOL
LMAO even

>>718666031
Bullshit, the massively scaling economy alone is a lot of fun to play around with

>>718666076
>>718666197
Nigger, supreme commander is shit. we are all glad you ennjoy it and I hope you have hours of fun but stop shilling it.

Dow1 > Dow3 > Last Stand > Dow 2

>>718666061
No argument from me. Everything sound related in the series was just phenomenal. From the dynamic soundtrack to the ambient noise to the way the weapons sounded. except the elfdar peashooters in 2
The reactivity displayed in the voicelines too.
>your orks get mulched on the right side
>"dem uvva orkz on da roight just got krumpt"

I'm not optimistic it'll be anywhere remotely close to that quality, but surely they won't fuck it up. Right?

>>718666197
No one cares about economy. Every popular RTS were the ones that were historical roleplay, good campaigns or fun battles. SC had none of that.

>>718653805 (OP)
The only thing I'm upset about is that apparently skitarii lasguns are yellow star wars blasters.

>>718666386
>No one cares about economy
Never heard a more incorrect statement in my life. Ecnomy has been a huge part of RTS since the genre's inception.

>>718666450
If we complain about it loudly enough, they'll probably fix it like Relic fixed the AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH they tried to remove from DoW Definitive.

Can a lobotomized DoW2 enjoyer explain how DoW2 is good (where you control 4 epic heroes that can't fucking die and get rezzed insatantly, and maybe have 3 squads of infantry), but DoW3 is a MOBA (You have up to 3 hero units which take a long time to acquire and respawn, and most of the fighting is done by normal squads)? I seem to be missing something.

>>718664114
A lesson in why you should realistically scale your games for budget.
You can't ape CoH while broke and lacking clear vision.
But I enjoyed the Mecha Murrica DLC

>>718666483
The most popular RTS in the world is literally just mining your base and gas. It's a formality for making cool units and buildings. People are not playing RTS for economyslop. Maybe play 4X games if you want that.

>>718655018
Imagine having 'schitzo interwar with mechs and tesla cannons' as your setting but the gameplay is actually just rock paper scissors.
It's like making an interstellar warship except actually it's oar-powered and it's not going anywhere.

>>718666606
You only played the RPG campaign.
You didn't play the game RETARD

>>718666606
dow 1 is real time strategy
dow 2 is real time tactical
dow 3 is neither

>>718666707
Campaign and Last Stand were the best part of DOW2 desu. Skirmish was boring.

>>718655495
Hello newly appointed Sithlord who deals in absolutes

>>718666647
>it has economy but it doesn't count really because uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
A big part of SC2 competitive is establishing control over base expansions and denying them to opponents you retarded fucking zoomer.

>>718655849
>>Build one of each building
You retarded ass didn't play any of those games and you are just here parroting other retards' opinions trying to fit in
Kill yourself.

>>718666803
Skirmish vs AI is for developmentally challenged anyway.
1vs1 is great when you play on equal level.

>>718666707
Skirmish is 1 Hero and 3 squads, maybe a tank if your MOBA hero has it in his loadout? Sucks ass and nobody cares. Everyone I played DoW2 with only did Last Stand, quite literally nobody cared about the boring-ass skirmish.

>>718666752
DoW3 is about the same as DoW1, only more strategical since you can't magically manufacture space marine reinforcements in the enemy base.

>>718656887
What about it is MOBA? Please be specific.

>>718666835
>my esports slop
No one cares. Holy fuck the fact that's the first thing you think of is why RTS is dead now. Fucking economy faggot. You really do need to be mentally stunted to enjoy Shitpreme Commander.

>>718655849
>Build one of each building
Way to out yourself as a dumb fucking comp stomper. Actually no, even most comp stompers understand the utility of building more unit production buildings. You're a nigger who plays on fucking easy. Your opinion carries no weight here.

>>718667004
pretty good
2 for effort

>>718666334
Niggers>fags>(You)=Indians

>>718667072
>no one cares about this thing a lot of people actually care about because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I wonder that you can even remember to breathe with an IQ this low.

>>718667037
There are... le chokepoints...

>>718667072
it is true that economy has been a major thing on RTS since the begining, being the problem how to balance it.
To little focus on economy makes it irrelevant, you have resources anyway.
To much focus on economy makes the game a pain in the ass, slow, and you have to sacrifice military units for villagers.

>a lot of people actually care about
least delusional SCtard

>>718667169
This always makes me lol
DoW1 megablobs plus atrocious pathfinding meant you are always fighting like in a chokepoint even if maps are wide

>>718665627
Over the years DoW has given people the idea that Eldar are a significant faction in 40k.
They aren't. They've never been important. They're a background NPC faction that's never won a single significant battle, constantly harass and annoy the Imperium, and contribute absolutely nothing to the setting. The past time GW tried to make them important was nearly ten years ago and it was a colossal failure.
You could remove both flavors of Eldar from 40k entirely and literally nothing of value would be lost.

>>718666314
>Nigger, supreme commander is shit
Brave words from Iron Harvest dev

>>718667309
>get blown out
>refuse to (You)
>throw greentext rocks from the cuck chair
nta btw

>>718667354
>You could remove both flavors of Eldar from 40k entirely and literally nothing of value would be lost.
Except of Bobby G

>>718666606
DoW II's multiplayer was more or less the way it is in trying to chase 3v3 e-sports. It probably worked out for its legacy since the game still has a fair competitive scene, albeit through a mod. The bad AI certainly doesn't do wonders for anything more than some practice.

>>718667037
People see lanes and symmetrical map design and think MOBA, that's pretty much it. MOBA has ceased to mean anything because, as usual, mouthbreathing retards dilute the meaning of the word by using it to refer to things they don't like since they're too stupid to articulate.

DoW3 had parallels to MOBA due to lanes, symmetrical map design, base defense turrets and allied units under computer control that you were intended to fight around. DoW4 doesn't appear to have anything similar, from the looks of things, you're meant to build all your units yourself.

Lanes and symmetrical map design predates the DOTA WC3 custom game mode, so is not inherently MOBA anyway.

>>718667004
>DoW3 is about the same as DoW1, only more strategical since you can't magically manufacture space marine reinforcements in the enemy base.
this. The hate for DoW3 was all superficial (though with some validity) stuff like animation and worse VA. Technical-wise, it was a massive step up from both 1 and 2, the upgraded engine allows massive battles without tanking the performance unless pushed to the extremes (30+ squads each in 4v4)

>>718667369
keep crying about your nostalgia bullshit.

>>718667478
>about your nostalgia bullshit.
as opposed to state-funded bullshit?

Warcraft 3, Age of Empires 2, Red Alert 3, Dark Crusade and Starcraft 1/2 are the only good RTS

>>718667468
Its 1vs1 or nothing
Teamgames are just massive dogpile shitfests no matter the title
Just like /v/

>>718667636
I would put Rise of nations on the lits too.
Empire earth was good but way too damn slow

>>718667636
>Red Alert 3
The primal caveman urge to cave another man's skull in with a rock

>>718667475
When they patched in Annihilation it was DoW1
Original mode with those turrets and bushes was Corporete pushing shit again

>Space Marines
>Orks
>Necrons
Get cucked, Eldarfags.

>>718667636
>Dark Crusade
man, why did the definitive edition have to only have soul storm for skirmish? i fucking hate soul storm.

>>718667636
Age of Mythology was fun too although I was like 13 when I played it.

>>718667891
>Necrons
>Three other factions known for thieving shit
Can the skellies ever catch a break?

>>718654981
There's nothing wrong with that, the game is probably more than a year away from release and already looks pretty good in presentation.

>>718667969
Right, because Trazyn is sooo innocent

>>718668069
I don't think Trazyn is involved here, so we aren't getting four factions locked in a contest of who can steal the most shit

>>718668014
>and already looks pretty good in presentation.
Except of UI, base building and map design

>>718667969
>entire faction's identity is having their souls stolen

>>718653805 (OP)
I've been playing the dow1 remaster, and one of the main things I've been missing is the retreat button, so I don't mind that at all.

>>718665913
God I hate Pfussies so much.
>b-but they have lower accuracy than a conscript at the start!
For all of one minute.

>>718667918
Winter Assault and Dark Crusade have some truly psychotic balancing, like Space Marines having fucking FIVE special weapons per squad.

>>718653805 (OP)
>SoB DLC $59.99

>>718668163
I'm just saying Necrons have their own magpie(s), so maybe they aren't deserving of a break either

no space elves, no buy

>>718668224
Why do you need a retreat button when you can reinforce anywhere...? Just right click behind your frontline.

>>718668180
UI is fine, your boomer brain literally can't accept anything new.
>Base building
We have seen nothing on it yet, it's pure speculation.
>Map design
It's completely normal.

>>718668320
retreat confers defensive bonuses

>>718668317
>game autofilters eldarfags as a bonus
GOTY

>>718668379
JewTubers who've gotten to play directly say that builder units don't exist so we're stuck with deep striking buildings wherever and whenever.

>>718668248
i am a space marine player. i also hate planes.

>>718668320
Reinforcing takes time (I'm playing orks in the campaign, and boyz die waaay faster than they can be reinforced, and can be in very large units), some units are expensive to reinforce and if the unit is wiped while being reinforced that's wasted resources. I have often found that I want to be able to quickly and simply pull back units in rough positions, but very often they probably aren't making it out, even with the movespeed from broken morale (and some units rarely break, like nobz).

>>718668317
How would they be on Kronus? All the webway gates to the world were canonically collapsed with their loss in Dark Crusade.

>>718668415
The "oh fuck I made a mistake" button is a trash addition for scrubs.

>>718668601
that's nice
too bad it's been a mainstay of the series since its inception

>>718668601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khg2BAZJ10A
Damn straight it is

>>718668726
May I see the retreat button in original DoW?

>>718668379
>UI is fine
UI is a rapebaby of Total War and CoH.
>We have seen nothing on it yet, it's pure speculation.
-> >>718655135
>It's completely normal.
For MOBA

>>718668601
Never heard about "Tactical Retreat" before

Just for the fun of it, I want them to add the dwarfs before the Eldar

>>718668582
>How would they be on Kronus?
Like, honestly, who gives a shit? It's 40k after all

>>718668726
I beg your finest fucking pardon?

>>718668825
you ESL?
>since retreat was introduced it has been in every subsequent game

>>718669015
>Not in 1
>Not in 3
>Only in 2
What a peculiar lil nigga.

>>718668931
it's not retreating it's just advancing towards safer direction

>>718666606
It's incredible how many people think DOW2 only has campaign because the skirmish AI is bad.
Play against actual people you fucking cowards. The game is incredibly fun.

>>718668468
Oh no the horror, it's also confirmed that every faction has an specific way of building things and spreading.
>>718668915
>MOBA
Saying random words expecting they mean something won't help you, exemplify it, what is a MOBA why does it look like a MOBA? If you can't do that then fuck off.

>>718669259
>but download Elite Mod first

>>718669259
No base building, no play.

>>718669402
>why does it look like a MOBA?
Map consists of tiny lines leading straight to the enemy respawn/well which you had to push through

>>718669259
>Play against actual people you fucking cowards.
Most people have only played the campaign and last stand. They missed the window.
GFWL was cancer but it was also the only thing holding the flimsy matchmaking together. The move to steamworks was botched and it killed the MP scene.

>>718667727
Most of the maps basically force 3 1v1s for most of the game. I think there's still a lot of tactics involved. But obviously, 2v2 has less potential for getting dogpiled and 1v1 eliminates all chance of it.
Still, not all of every 3v3 in DOW2 is just dog piling. That is just inaccurate.

>>718669402
Provide source otherwise it's 100% corpospeak actually referring to the animations given to the magically growing mushroom buildings.

>>718669259
>Play against actual people
But I did? I was rank #108 during Chaos Rising by playing Nurgle and spamming Chaos Space Marines + chanting cultists for infinite regen.

>>718669259
>Play against actual people
>250 people online
>All playing Last Stand
Lmayo

>>718667918
Soulstorm is more refined in terms of MP balance.
But holy fuck, this game had one of the worse aircraft gamedesign

>>718669521
That's not true at all, look at the fucking minipap and mal you fucking quoted, are you retarded?
MOBAs have defined lanes, 3 of them, nowhere in the gameplay we've seen there's that, get your eyes checked.

>>718669642
>Provides no source for his claims
>Wants me to spoonfeed him
Lol search some of the interviews brother.

>>718655018
>This is an RTS with mech units!
>The mech units are just reskinned CoH tanks

>>718669751
The engine wasn't designed for aircraft, the way they had to put them in by geedub's request was one of the jankiest hackjobs ever

>>718669402
>has an specific way of building things and spreading.
False. It's been said that every faction will have specific economic model (which is by itself makes game DOA).

>>718669453
Yes. Base game was fun too. Had really good bones. Was just a bit unbalanced and cheesy on a higher competitive level. Sadly Relic never listened to balance concerns when the game was still alive so the community had to finish the balance by themselves.

>>718668069
This but unironically. he is my fuarking hero

>>718669521
>Map consists of tiny lines
Looking at any screenshot or footage proves you wrong immediately, stop lying on the internet.

>>718669790
>nowhere in the gameplay we've seen there's that, get your eyes checked.

Most people don't even know that you could reinforce units around your faction's transport unit in DoW 2. It made them actually worth using.

>>718669453
The game literally doesn't work without files from them.
Lelics "goodbye patch" sharted the game to death

>>718670006
Have you ever seen a MOBA map?

>>718670041
Why are DoW2 cultists so disingenuous and retarded? I LITERALLY have DoW2 installed right now and it plays fine you fucking mutt.

>>718670006
That's literally a DoW 1 map.

>>718670006
That looks like an actual tabletop table. Nowhere close to a MOBA, you're retarded.

>>718670145
>That's literally a DoW 1 map.
Except even smaller

>>718670230
So? How does that make it a MOBA?

>>718669943
>It's been said that every faction will have specific economic model
Where? From what I've seen they all work off Requisition and Power like normal.

>>718670192
>That looks like an actual tabletop table.
>Nowhere close to a MOBA, you're retarded.
Pick one.
40k tabeltop designed exactly like mobas with pushing straight forward, because 2k pts games you simply have no oither directions to move your models

>>718670006
>look at this image that completely disproves my onw argument
Huh ok

>>718653805 (OP)
is there a collection of all the info from the various previews?

>>718670357
>40k tabletop is a MOBA according to some retard on /v/
What time is it in New Delhi, saar?

>>718670357
>40k tabeltop designed exactly like mobas
Now this is actual insanity, hope you get better from your mental illness.

>>718668317
I hate Yrliet so much its unreal
I would rather have an uncontrollable murder freak Marazhai onboard than her
that's just how bad she is

>>718670315
>So?
So you have nothing else to do than push lanes

>>718670406
Organization and coordination is for Discord users. Enjoy your replacement btw.

>>718670452
Should be about 7 or 8 pm I think. I hate being adjacent to jeet hours so much, please fucking cut the submarine cables, I beg you

>>718670357
>GW in 1980 copying DOTA 2 to create their tabletop game
Shameful, saar

>>718669881
>The mech units are just reskinned CoH tanks
It was worse
They didn't have side armor and a single ability making them a C&C tank
Straznik was the only one that was both uniqe and fun to play. If every mech was like him it would be a good game

>>718670452
>What time is it in New Delhi, saar?
Idk ask yourself Rajesh
It carries as much strategy as moba or autobattler

>>718670006
ah yes, the "3" lanes
even then, we don't know if the Necrons spawn is mirrored. They could be on the West most side of the map, which makes the dynamics even more complex, you would have a main battle line on the left hall of the map and smaller battles towards north-west for resources contest
kill yourself, shit for brain

>>718670491
Are you dense in the head? Your claim is currently:
>This map is a MOBA map
>Therefore DoW 4 is a MOBA
But this same map was also in DoW 1. Are you claiming DoW 1 was a MOBA?

>>718670546
>>GW in 1980
Why are you outing yourself as newfag?

>>718670505
g-guess ill watch 30 different 20 minute previews to see if one of them remembered something the others didn't...

>>718670357
>>718670491
Saar

>>718654046
>>718661475
>>718655298
What the fuck is this faggoty whining about buildings now?
RTSs have base building, if you don't wanna manage those go play MOBAs, zoomies.

>>718670480
Yrliet was such an arrogant retard that she's an exile from her fucking craftworld, that should tell you everything.

>>718670128
Nigger you can't play Inqusition for longer than 3 hours without the Sound Bug.

>>718670598
>But this same map was also in DoW 1.
But it isn't the same map. It's much smaller map.

>>718670491
the route form my house to your mother's ass is also a lane, how about that?

>>718668231
If you can't cripple of manpower the enemy with nearly 4 minutes of total infantry superiority, you deserve a bad end game

Man this thread reminds me of the Onimusha one yesterday with retards saying random shit about the game and calling it genres it clearly wasn't.
This place is full of kids.

>>718669402
>what is a MOBA why does it look like a MOBA?
It's when two sides are forced into lanes and the sole goal is to kill the other side's core. The game was designed around it initially.

Anyways, I looked up the interview where a dev said they designed the game whilst inspired by ASSFAGGOTs. I can't be fucked to find the one where it was said that the team took ideas from competitive SC2.
https://www.eurogamer.net/dawn-of-war-3s-multiplayer-reveals-moba-influence
https://youtu.be/4BZVg2gFSDg?t=393

You can stop pretending now. It's getting old.

>>718670578
>They could be on the West most side
Then you will have exact 3 lanes to fight over

>>718670789
>my technique is moving the goalposts when I find a roadblock

>>718668447
This announcement has been worth it just for the seething and despair it's caused among eldarfags.

>>718670915
>This place is full of kids.
I hope so, because the alternative is that it's full of adults who are as retarded as kids.

>>718670706
No wonder I haven't seen this, who the fuck plays Inquisition for 3 hours? Shit gets boring after 3 moba matches.

>>718670941
>Dawn of War 3
What are you trying to even do here? Man I feel pity for you.

>>718670006
>>718670578
>>718670953
This is a campaign maps, anons.

>>718670953
based retard

>>718670941
>It's when two sides are forced into lanes and the sole goal is to kill the other side's core.
Not inherently moba, this kind of map design predates DOTA, and we don't have enough information yet to say whether or not the HQ buildings aren't buildable elsewhere, so a "core" may not even apply here.

>>718671087
New damage control?

>>718670789
The scale of the map changes nothing about its geometry. If I do this, does the DoW 4 map suddenly stop being a "MOBA map"?

Throwing this out now btw: This story is going to suck just as bad as Dawn of War II's, because it is not possible to have good stories in 40k without Chaos or Eldar. It just is not physically possible. That's what happens when you have so little races who are even sentient.

>>718671150
>and we don't have enough information yet to say whether or not the HQ buildings aren't buildable elsewhere,
Maps dont have any space to expand your base.

>>718670941
Why are you posting about DoW3? Jesus...

>Playing on Into the Breach map is now considered playing moba
Rich

>>718671162
>If I do this, does the DoW 4 map suddenly stop being a "MOBA map"?
Nope, because it's still DoW2-3 size of the map, 2 strategic points and 1 energy nod per half

>>718671162
anon, the goalpost has been completely removed altogether. He's not here to argue anything. He's here to be retarded.

>>718670915
I bet it's the exact same shitposter.

>>718671164
the problem is they’ll make the story about some cunt and cunts are lame

>>718671221
There's plenty of space, are you blind? Trailer footage even shows production buildings being constructed at forward positions. Your goalposts are in a state of superposition at this point.

>>718671345
>There's plenty of space,
Where-> >>718671162

>Trailer footage even shows production buildings being constructed at forward positions.
But they don't.

>>718671056
Get in your lane nigger

They WILL add SoB and I WILL mod them

Stop replying to the obvious baiter.
Anyway what do you think the first DLC factions will be?
I guess IG is basically confirmed, but what about the others? My guess is that they're trying to have some kind of rivalry motif like Marines vs Orks and Mechanicum vs Necrons, so I believe it'll be IG vs Nids

>>718671493
>Asssss
>Not view of ass
whoever made this is a certified hack with no brain

>>718670953
>Kasyr Lutien layout makes a MOBA now
Well I guess we don't have to worry. If DOW1's most played map makes it a MOBA, then clearly DOW4 being a MOBA means it's faithful to the roots of the series.

>>718655298
Dumb fucking retard. Braindead niggers like you should play autobattlers instead of whining that RTS games aren't catered to you.

>>718671526
Do you picture 'Nigs being an army where assassinating leaders matters, finally?

>>718671251
Worse, it's ARAM.

>>718671613
>whining that RTS games aren't catered to you
the consequence of trying to cater to everyone instead of making niche games for niche audiences

>>718658915
No that's how you get Dawn of War 3 and woke corpo shit.

Listening to the fans is what gets you improvements like Anno 1800 after what they did with Anno 2205, they went back to how it should be done and made the best Anno game in the series.

>>718671823
That is if your fans know what they want, DoW fans are all over the place because the games have no clear identity.

>>718658915
>they listened to the "fans"
bro they made a starcraft 2 clone, they were not listening to dawn of war fans at all

>>718661475
>The people who like base building are mouth breathing herbivore players who want to turtle up for an hour and then unleash some big horde force and clean up the map.
That's 90% of the player base anon. That's why the RTS genre died while total war warhammer sold millions of units. It's the same reason why dow3 was a flop despite being very polished

>>718671963
They listened to "muh base building muh big armies" fans
But also to other casual focus groups and corpo idea guys

None of this speculation matters before an actual beta or demo.
My only hope is that they polish it way more until then.

>>718671823
Ano is asshole in spanish :D

>>718672113
it they have garbage like escalations and elite points it’s doomed

>>718671424
Are you blind? East corner and west corner, this isn't even the smallest map in the series.
>But they don't
So you are blind. Go watch the the trailer again.

>>718672217
They don't.

>>718658915
>The best thing devs can do is completely ignore the "fans" and do their own thing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, that's life.
This was literally the recipe behind the hit, critical success of DoW 3.

>>718671823
>anno rome in november
YOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>718671526
Chaos and IG players piss and shit the hardest whenever they're left out because "they represent the setting", "muh arch enemy", "muh normal human" or whatever. So it's sadly always going to be them.
Honestly, I wish they went with stuff less represented in the series.
If you ask me, bring Dark Eldar back. It's a fucking travesty their only appearance in the series was still with their ultra-scuffed 3rd edition designs. And they were stuck in fucking Soulstorm to add insult to injury.

>>718672314
You just think that only people agreeing with you are "real fans"

>>718658653
>staking your personality on some eceleb with a persecution complex

>>718662035
>The original DoW came out with 4 factions and I'm tired of seeing people pretend it didn't.
it's not 2004 anymore

>>718671823
No matter how many fan ideas you incorporate
If you have no vision, your end product will be ass.
Iron Harvest is one such example how "fan" input just creates mess.
>add melee for all infantry
>we need weapon pickups
>more than 1 ability on unit is confusing and MOBA like!

End result will be schizophrenic nightmare

>>718653805 (OP)
i've never gotten into rts games, is dawn of war 1 a good place to start?

>>718672663
Yeah
Now units need more detail and effects making more factions even more expensive.

>>718672439
The point is that attempting to secure new audiences reliably leads to failure. We've got more than a decade of hard evidence that the modern audience does not exist. If a game is to be successful, particularly a sequel of an older series, it has to cater to existing fans. Devs being deliberately antagonistic towards their fans is also a recipe for failure. How many times do we have to teach you this lesson?

>>718672708
I would start with Stacraft/Warcraft/Age of Empires
DoW changed a lot in the genre

>>718672692
>If you have no vision, your end product will be ass.
Fair point.
Adding basebuilding just because fans asked for this without incorporating base-building in your game-design is retarded

>>718653805 (OP)
I hope it's not like CoH, that shit Is gay and His fans are lazy scrubs like heroes of the storm fans

>>718658653
>lore channel
I can read 1d6chan just fine myself, thank you.
Please point me to where he even remotely acknowledges 40k's leftist roots or alternatively how its origin as a Tabletop wargame has been catastrophic for its lore.

>>718672393
Yeah I can't wait, been hoping for an Anno game in ancient times. It 100% will have Egypt as well in the future.

>>718672692
In this case, fans are literally just asking for an experience like the original DoW. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not an impossible request to fulfill, and it sure as shit won't be a mess because we know the formula works.

>>718673083
is anno good? it seems like a mix btween an RTS and Europa universalis and very economy focused.

>>718672880
>Abominable Intelligence typed this post

>>718672708
DoW is relatively simple for an RTS game, so yes, it's a good place to start in the genre. Other games tend to be much more complex, so while they're earlier and truer examples of the genre, they could be overwhelming if you're fresh to these kinds of games. DoW is also nice because it has a lot more eye candy than other RTS games tend to.

>>718673142
It's very good, but you may wish to look into some gameplay to see if it's your thing first.

It's absolutely very economy/citybuilder focused yeah, expanding and getting trade routes and resources to advance your population into the next tiers and such. There's warfare and combat but it's not the main focus.

>>718671823
I remember how retards here rejoiced over base building shit being added in 3
And they even did it almost 1:1
I was warning back then as I warn now

>>718672421
I think Dark Eldar will take a while since they're due a refresh in 11th edition

>>718672850
i'll check out age of empires, i fucking hate blizzard. thanks anon
>>718673258
i want to feel overwhelmed. lately i've just been minmaxing pathfinder builds and now i'm starting to hate it. i haven't absorbed a new system in too long.

>>718673364
I see, thanks for not mindlessly shilling it.
I am dumb, so I rather play games like DoW or RoN. focused on a simple base and warfare.
I might give it a try in the future tho

>>718673094
If this was this simple any idiot would make RTS.
There are numerous people with opposite opinions in DoW fandom.
Just like HoMM3 fans want from every sequel for it to be "HoMM3 with new paint", and if you give it to them they will complain how new paint sucks.

>>718673094
>>718673662 is right, man. You're literally just asking to the play the original which is not only itself right on Steam but a newly dogshit remake just came out for it as well.
Say to me that you think Definitive Edition is good, I dare you.

>>718673589
In that case you'll want games with bigger build/tech trees and individual units, the other anon's suggestions are great places to start with that, particularly AoE 2 or AoM.

>>718673620
No worries anon, happy to help

DoW1 is good.
DoW2 was bad.
DoW3 was mid.
Simple as.

Sex with Eldar

>>718673662
>>718673935
Yet you can't explain why DoW3 failed so utterly that even giving it away for free didn't work. That game explicitly set out to snare a new audience and did not listen to the fans' concerns over the moba aspects the baked into the design. Doing your own thing trying to keep your old fans and draw in new ones has been demonstrably proven to just piss everyone off.

Again, how many times do we have to teach you this lesson?

What you say hardly matters anyway, Iron Harvest devs are catering to fans on this one. We didn't even know it was coming until the trailer dropped and it seems like they've got the design worked out. So no further input required.

>>718672708
yes. it's simpler style while not being too simple for your first RTS. it's also a lot of fun and the beginning campaign has a nice story/good maps/great voiceactors in it.

An RTS has:
>Base Building
>High pop count
>Big maps
>No faggy retreat button

A MOBA has
>No base building
>Very low pop cap
>Small map
>Faggy retreat button (town portal, flash, etc)

Knowing these FACTS, where do the Dawn of War games fit in?

>>718672421
>ring Dark Eldar back.
None gives a shit about them

>>718674369
>Just like HoMM3 fans want from every sequel for it to be "HoMM3 with new paint", and if you give it to them they will complain how new paint sucks.
You can't come back from this, you know. Say Definitive Edition is good. Right now. Say you like Definitive Edition.

>>718674542
A MOBA is definitionally a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. Specifically one in which you control a single unit and are expected to engage in heavy micro with it. All that other shit isn't inherent to MOBA, they're just common hallmarks associated with DOTA.

>>718674636
I can't "come back" from that because I've never fucking played HoMM, 3 or otherwise. I can't speak on a matter I know nothing about.

>>718674636
>SAY YOU LIKE UPSCALED AI TEXTURES SAAR
I shan't. Maybe put more effort in your cashgrab, lelic.

>>718674542
Dogs
>bark
>can swim
>long ears

Cats
>short ears
>do not bark
>can't swim

Why Cats are everywhere?
Why people pretend Chihuahuas are dogs?

>>718674839
>>718674923
Then there is zero chance you will like Dawn of War IV even if it is quite literally Dawn of War with a new coat of paint. Quite literally Dawn of War with a new coat of paint just came out and it sucks, and you agree. You will all just go back to playing 1, playing each of 4's campaigns at best.

>>718675267
>New coat of paint
Pick another color than diarrhea brown.

>>718661015
>those battlesuits
>those weapons
Hnnngghhhh....

>>718675446
Taus need to get buckbroken by BIC (Big Imperium Cock)

>>718673023
>40k's leftist roots
nice headcanon
>its origin as a Tabletop wargame has been catastrophic for its lore
oh he's a secondary, that explains it

>>718675576
>>>r/BlackTemplars
>>>r/HorusGalaxyReturns

>>718661475
Building bases with walls and defensive structures is fucking cool and one day an RTS will realize the best way to do it is to have pre-established base layouts made pre-match that are autoconstructed over a period of time so no one has to worry about how fast they clicked "build barracks > refinery > refinery > war factory" etc.

>IG
Very likely early on, they already have units in the game.
>Chaos
Also likely early on, de facto bad guys
>Nids
VERY likely, they just got a big wave this past edition and are the rival faction in the starter box. Honestly surprising they're not in the base game.
>Sisters of Battle
Fairly significant chance, GW has been promoting them a decent amount and they're a well liked faction
>Eldar
Unlikely, simply because too many other factions have a greater chance of getting in before them.
>Votann
Very unlikely, still too new to have a decent roster for DoW.
>Genestealers
A fairly long shot, but possible. No big deal super-unit models though, which is a big downside.
>Custodes
Not happening, too elite.
>Dark Eldar
Not happening. GW doesn't even care about promoting them. Half their army is out of production. Essentially a dead faction with an impotent roster.

>>718675267
>Then there is zero chance you will like Dawn of War IV even if it is quite literally Dawn of War with a new coat of paint.
You don't know me, buddy, I like what I see, even if what I've seen isn't much so far.
>Quite literally Dawn of War with a new coat of paint just came out and it sucks, and you agree.
I never agreed or disagreed, I refuse to acknowledge it beyond this because it isn't relevant. Definitive isn't a new game.

>>718658915 this anon is implying that listening to fans at all is a surefire recipe for disaster. I agree that games designed by committee is uniformly a bad idea, but this isn't the case here. DoW fans want something very simple that is very easy to provide. The opposite case, that devs doing their own thing WILL lead to success has already been disproven in the case of DoW3 alone.

DoW as a series is steeped in nostalgia, and only nostalgic boomers such as myself will given even the remotest of fucks about it. Giving me what I want is going to get me to buy it. It's not going to draw in your average Fortnite zoomer, or the lost souls trapped playing DOTA and LoL.

Dawn of war was cool20 years ago. This just doesnt have the scale that 40k deserves. The map should be an entire planet and i should have too many ork boys.

>>718656461
>All 3 of the previous games were released in the era before "new game bad, old game good."
lol
lmao, even

>>718675818
>Genestealers seperate from 'Nigs
So we're back to Rogue Trader lore or do specific board games treat them as seperate?

>>718675818
DoW roster tends to be stripped down a lot from the tabletop army list anyway, so Votann being in isn't out of the realm of possibility. I would guess if they put a Custodes in at all, it'll be one unit attached to another faction like Grey Knights being attached to SMs.

>>718675818
Fuck nids, the most boring and generic zerg clone. I hate everything with nidders in it. Dropped Sess Muhreen 2's campaign because it was just nid shit.

>>718676389
>zerg clone
For fuck's sake

>>718676389
Keep going past mission fucking 3, bruv. That being said: Yes, 'Nigs are absolute dogshit and need Tzeentch himself to make the story they're in interesting.

>>718676468
Hmm yes, tell me how the pre-SC goofy-ass tyranids were the same as the zerg ripoffs we have now.

I like that the shill keeps calling them "the Iron Harvest devs" as if that's supposed to be a good thing.

>>718676531
I just played the SM2 MP, fuck nids. Rather be killing Chaos.

>>718676719
Guess what

>>718676593
They got material in 2E back in '93. Starcraft didn't come out until '98. On top of which, Starcraft was originally intended to be a 40k game, same as Warcraft originally being a Warhammber Fantasy game. Blizzard couldn't get the license from geedub. If the Nids are clones of anything, it's Giger's biomechanical ayy lmao style from fucking Alien.

>>718676251
Genestealer Cults, Anon.

>>718676895
Begone GW marketing employee, nobody cares about your false narrative.

>>718655298
anything but a game that plays itself like a movie is fat cocks in the asshole
i just want to sit back and watch EPIC armies go at it!!

>>718677129
Look at the actual carapace style, it's got H.R Giger written all over it, they were thieving primarily from him. I'm not about to deny that geedub is anything more than a bunch of thieving cunts. The entire setting is just Dune dialed to 11 anyway with added fantasy IN SPAAACE, only an utter fool would deny it.

>>718677129
It is astonishing how Games Workshop managed to grow into what they are now when they used to be fucking THAT. Is there a conspiracy? Did the government keep them going, give them any grants like the Iron Harvest devs?

>>718653805 (OP)
> dow 3 remaster

Who asked?

>>718671526
Chaos vs Eldar probably

>>718655298
Soulless fucking retard, get the hell off my board.

>>718675818
Drukhari refresh soon

>>718675818
Eldar will be the first dlc retard

>>718677351
ripping off GW kikes without paying them is the correct choice

>>718677389
40k poached a lot of WHFB players in the early days because fantasy in space tickled a lot of people where the likes of Battletech was pretty dry.

>>718675818
>Eldar
>unlikely
Brother, you're out of your mind.

>>718661475
>r*ddit spacing
>opinion so ill-informed on RTS gameplay it must have come from resetera
lol

>>718677102
What's the point in joining if I can't choke on a Termagant's Spike Rifle?
https://x.com/BugzillaKun/status/1928619712474464413

>>718677594
Battlefield is not a place for housewives.

>>718677727
>2025
>Eldar
>relevant
CWE and DE are literally least played factions

>>718677819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKm0EVjcw4A

>>718657114
>Did he gets to do anything cool?
he can do a somersault back flip while wearing terminator armor

>>718677129
What's the point in joining if I can't choke on a Termagant's Strangleweb?
https://x.com/BugzillaKun/status/1928619712474464413

>>718677893
where are your play metrics from

>>718661475
RTS fags seethe and cope over this post but he's right. Base building RTS games have gone nowhere for basically a decade straight now. Meanwhile we keep getting more and more successful tactics games, both realtime and turn-based

it's beyond obvious what's actually popular and it's not base building autism

>>718678031
Community surveys

>>718663319
>>campaign
>70 missions
reminder there's 4 factions in the game, so maybe like 17 missions but with 4 different faction themes
basically dow2 retribution campaign

>>718678054
Name three games that aren't Jackie Chan

>>718678131
of people playing 40k?

>>718678054
>Meanwhile we keep getting more and more successful tactics games, both realtime and turn-based
Like..?

>>718678194
Yep

>>718666450
Lasguns in the art from the books were always portrayed as firing white beams or bolts, but the diffused light from the "muzzle flash" of the gun tints it a bit yellow on the edges. DoW was the first instance of lasguns firing red laser pointers that I'm aware of and set the vidya precedent

>>718678054
you need to replace bases with something, the HQ is so fucking lame in 2 compared to dropping buildings from orbit even if it’s mostly fluff

>>718678275
sounds like a poor metric to determine overall interest in a faction for an RTS game to include then personally, god knows I stopped playing 40k a while ago

>>718678425
>sounds like a poor metric to determine overall interest in a faction for an RTS game
From RTS perspective Marines taken Eldar niche as mobile and specialists units army

>>718678517
You can thank Primarysues for that btw

>>718678584
cry as much as you like.

>>718667354
Except Necrons and Eldar were literally *the* factions in the galaxy until Eldar fucked Slaanesh into existance, and even in their now massively diminished state, Eldar are still a large threat to (at least) humanity in 40k era.

Pack it in boys, noldorfag found the thread

>>718678694
>Eldar are still a large threat to (at least) humanity in 40k era.
Actually no. Eldar literally the weakiest faction in the 40k, which exists only by becoming Imperium's sidekick.
They literally doesn't have character who is stronger than average noname chaptermaster

You see it's fitting because the Emperor just wanted to make humans Eldar anyway.

>>718678694
>Eldar are still a large threat
With what population lol

>>718668248
And spess mehrenes were made of tissue paper because half the shit in DC did bonus damage to heavy infantry.

>>718679106
Strategy issue. Nobody uses assault marines to tie up ranged units.

So how will the nugen of marinefags raised on SM2, Astartes and whatever filth Black Library publishes react to Blood Ravens being casually killed by Orks Necrons and Techpriests instead of being able to fight them 100:1

>>718679360
If they're reasonable, they'll ask tabletopfags and learn that marines are comparable to those units crunchwise and that the RTS is truer to the tabletop than a third person shooter.

WWAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!

>>718678852
*Kills 3 custodes*

>>718671164
Who gives a shit about the story in DoW. Dark Crusade's campaign is the fan favourite DoW incarnation, precisely because it's a story-less retarded "kitchen sink" free-for-all "actual old school Dune 2-style campaign" on a single planet that makes the barest of sense lore-wise.

>>718676468
Well you might want to review the timeline, modern njd designs only came after the zerg, not before. Unless you count the prototype Starcraft in Warcraft 2 "zerg" known from like 2 screenshots, I could believe those looked like the space clown dinosaur early nids.

>>718679998
Yes, I'm saying 4 *better* be a free-for-all map game and nothing like 2 which fucking SUCKED.

>>718678852
Now I'm a couple years out of really giving a fuck but I doubt much has actually changed to shift the mantle from Tau being the weakest faction in the setting overall

Unless Votann are even weaker I guess I don't know their whole deal

>>718679360
SM2 is about named, helmetless marines so of course they'll be able to 1v1000 the enemy. DoW marines are nobodies and fodder for the machine

>>718679286
Yeah, only my buddy who played orkz knew how to fight my Tau death blobs in DC. And on that note, people foolishly dismissed transports too.

>>718680373
>Now I'm a couple years out of really giving a fuck but I doubt much has actually changed to shift the mantle from Tau being the weakest faction in the setting overall
Anon Tau beaten Death Guard Legion on their own and succesefully spawned their own psychic deity, while Eldar completely lost all chances to create Ynnead and just serving Guilliman

>>718665771
Supreme Commander had MISERABLE pathing issues, also because of its 32 bit limitations; the game that's about massively scaled combat with thousands of units could really only handle 100-200 units per player on a very large map. Anything after that would start to pause and then 'wake up'. Basically eliminating the real draw of the game buried under mountains of memory space limitations.

>>718680963
Of course it's Shiva

>>718679998
Personally, I really appreciated the little stories they had for each territory if you clicked info. They not only immersed you in the history fo Kronus, but built up the 40k universe in a tasteful manner. My favorites were the settlers dealing with orky mad max hell and the ritual that summoned eliphas and his host to the peninsula.
I also appreciated the fact that the planet had a diverse and reasonable selection of biomes and wasn't just DESERT PLANET IV or JUNGLE PLANET SECUNDUS.

>>718680963
>be tau
>first time creating warp deity
>pudgy belly and fat tits
They're really not beating the allegations

>>718680963
small victories in an intergalactic war mean nothing when they cannot bring real might to bear
Any faction could decide their priority is now to wipe out the tau empire and they'd be gone

>>718681119
It's fan-art anon

>>718681184
Doesn't matter, if the artists work fast enough, they'll set the depiction in concrete

>>718681161
>Any faction could decide their priority is now to wipe out the tau empire and they'd be gone
Same could be applied to Eldar and Necrons.
However, Tau relevant enough to have their agenda, unlike Eldar

>>718678852
>>718679046
There's billions of deldar in Commorragh who can reproduce quickly as fuck, if they wanted to (hint: the Archons don't want that, they want to keep playing with their safe sandcastles in their sandbox) and they still have technology in reserve, that rivals Necrons' that they're not using, because they don't want to risk breaking Commorragh and its webway dimension apart. To Eldar, humanity is a toy, prey or a convenient pawn/tool (depending on the flavor of space elf), they wouldn't even need to care about humanity at all, if the elves weren't biologically and clinically high on their own farts and ego.
Not to mention the Harlequins are *the* one-man-army "army" of them all in the current 40k-verse, and especially not interested in doing shit themselves, unless they really really have to.
With that said, I still like Farsight Enclaves the best.