Thread 718681242

realistic gun nerds when shotguns in games aren't completely broken:

This is the thing that pissed me off most about Fallout 4.

>Fallout NV
Shotguns are leathal esspecially if you have the right perks
>Fallout 4
Shotguns can't hit anything from more than 1m away even after you upgrade the fuck out of them

I hate fallout 4 so much, I could enjoy it if the gunplay and weapons were half decent but they're not someone all of the guns in new vegas are more enjoyable to use despite how clunky the gameplay is.

>realism
>games
You know what I like the BMW in my fantasy setting.
I do not give a fuck as long as it's fun.
Give me heated comfort seats as I mow down trannies with giant wheel hand attachments while blasting nooisehopcore.

I love shotguns.

>>718681561
Iditotically short range shotguns are not fun

Blame pvp games.

>>718681420
in FO4 shotguns were for delivering 200 stacks of bleed in .3 seconds.

>>718681709
Why not?

>>718681242 (OP)
>functions as it's supposed to
>broken
shottychads are the most oppressed people in FPS and that's why I never play them
even in doom games they're piss water super soakers, spend most of the time flaming meat hook instead

>>718681834
Yes that's why I stopped playing the game because I wasn't interested in wacky gun enchantments. If it had been a custom ammo type or something I wouldn't have minded, but weapon enchantments in fallout was a mistake.

>>718681242 (OP)
>Slugs
>12x scope

Its gaming time

>>718681242 (OP)
Shotguns are balanced IRL by long reload times and small magazine sizes, and the fact that slugs, birdshot and buckshot, are not effective at most actual combat ranges, and are more easily defeated by body armor.

The problem is that in videogames, all the fighting happens at short range, body armor doesn't factor into anything, and you never care about how much ammo you're carrying, and the reload time of a shotgun is never properly shown. Basically the scenarios are the best places for shotguns to be used and a lot of the shortfalls of shotguns are for some reason handwaved away and ignored.

So videogame devs do what they always do and impose artificial nerfs on shotguns to keep them from being overpowered, rather than doing anything that makes logical sense.

Schinger shagger NIGGER DAGGER

>>718681897
They're completely outclassed by every other gun in the game usually to the point they're actively not worth using. And sometimes the massive damage falloff comes with 0 accuracy resulting in your missing literally every pellet at a very specific range point instead of them spreading out realistically for the sake of bullet dynamics. It's why games like killing floor 1 and doom tend to have the best shotguns. Doom is hitscan but very large range still. Killing Floors have aren't hitscan but are realistically accurate shotguns.
In short: pew pew is good if you can actually hit things

>>718682005
Retard.

>>718681242 (OP)
people actually lost their minds in the bf6 beta where the shotgun actually oneshots you in the 10 meter range. like, nigger what? you expect to win a duel against a shotgun when you have an AR? it wasnt even broken. if you missed a shot you had to wait half a second to shoot again.

it would OP if it could realistically at long range with a spread

>>718681709
Theyre the best part of gears of war

>>718682326
>gears of war
not helping your case here

>>718682062
>puts a scope on a shotgun
What's the point then, just use a sniper.

Those nerds are just playing the wrong games. Of course the guns in COD or Battlefield are unrealistic, otherwise the game wouldn't be fun for their target audience.
I am in fact one of those nerds. I like playing Hunt Showdown or various milsims instead, I like when well placed bullets actually deal a significantly amount of damage or even kill instantly. Certainly feels better than needing to dump 15 bullets into someone's torso to kill them.

>>718682165
>irl
>balanced
You might actually have been kicked in the head by a horse, but forgotten it because of amnesia.
Also box mag fed semi/full autos exist. They're not even hard to find; unless, of course, a horse kicked you in the head in 1976 and you're reliving the same day over and over again...

>>718681420
Fallout 4 is just a bad game.

>>718681242 (OP)
shotguns in games are based on understanding of them that is only somewhat outdated at the time the first relevant games were made.

>shotgun one shots while assault rifle takes like 10 bullets minimum to kill
realistic?

>>718681242 (OP)
If you want to turn your shotty into a sniper rifle then load slug rounds.
>but the game only has regular 12 gauge shells
Then stop playing bad games.

>>718681242 (OP)
if shotguns are so OP in shooting games how come the army doesnt main shotguns?

Almost every game has damage falloff because nobody likes being chipped at by a shotgun from 3 miles away.

>>718681242 (OP)
>twitter screenshot
putrid thread opener, go kick rocks buddy

Shotguns do have a weird all-or-nothing tendency to them. Up close you can perforate targets in one shot but beyond that range the dropoff is crazy.

>>718682285
dumbass. Who even enjoys FO4? Certainly not for its retarded gun enchantments

>>718681242 (OP)
there's a reason shotguns aren't tuned correctly in games and why they were banned in actual warfare
it's because they're op as shit

>>718682695
Because shotguns are outclassed by drones even if they're op, anon

>>718682625
Idiot, if they were unbalanced it's what everyone would use IRL

>>718681561
Shotguns that function like OP pic aren't fun because they feel trash most of the time. Give me a shotgun that can still do respectable but suboptimal damage beyond its ideal range, like the semi-auto shotguns in left 4 dead. That's actually fun.

>>718682669
nobody wants realism in gun games. Otherwise assault rifles would be the only weapon anyone ever uses. Just like real life.

>>718682797
>why they were banned in actual warfare
Kaiser Wilhelm? Is that you?

>>718681242 (OP)
that's stupid. what if I was using slugs?

>>718682669
VARMINT
ROUND

Theoretically, by the laws of firearms in game design, slug rounds should make a shotgun into a pump-action sniper (since without any kind of spread it would turn the round into a hitscan and the density/power would make it a long-range round).

If the game lets me shoot targets from across the map with a pistol I should be able to do the same with a shotgun round that has no spread.

>>718682813
Drones are just glorified skeets.

>>718682797
>there's a reason shotguns aren't tuned correctly in games and why they were banned in actual warfare it's because they're op as shit
Yeah anon let's see how many modern militaries primarily use shotguns now that we're not in WW1 anymore-
>zero
oh.

>>718682925
I know the current Modern Warfare games still assign spread to slug rounds and have falloff. Doesn't make sense but they know damn well it would be like putting the power of a DEagle into your primary slot and they can't have that.

>>718682863
And nobody wants shotguns in game except skilless shotgun apes.

>>718681709
Neither is losing any engagement to a shotgun at upwards of 30m because of 'muh realism'
Kys

>>718681242 (OP)
Shotguns should knockdown the enemy if enough pellets hit, allowing you to finish the job with a second shot while the enemy is disabled. This makes them still deadly at medium range, but less ammo efficient.

>>718683057
that's why I don't play those games

>>718682695
'umiez are weak an kan't karry many shells
little shell mean not enough dakka

>>718682970
Battlefield shotguns are like this, or at least were in the last one I played (PS3 era.)

>Shotgun slug mod in Bad Company 2

It was fun as hell. You still had the instant kill at close range but you could use it as a pseudo two-shot bolt action rifle.

>>718682791
install horizon and play permadeath to make it actually fun

>>718681242 (OP)
Insurgency is the only game with realistic shotguns. They are so overpowered they haven't added semi auto ones.

>>718682695
Shotguns are worse at long range and one bullet's still knocking a guy down at close range so there's not much benefit in making two totally different kinds of gun for fodder.

>>718682305
That's because the BF6 beta is infested with COD zoomies coked out on lethal quantities of Adderall.
They're demanding that anything that doesn't fit into their "slide n' shoot" gameplay should be nerfed into irrelevancy.

>>718683196
>permadeath
found the neet

It kinda sucks that shotguns are only good for that one cqc meatgrinder map and useless for every other one, and people would pick the aek or whatever shreds people because they can kill more people in less time than the shotgun can at pointblank anyways. Shotguns should be able to oneshot people 100 meters away with buckshot so they have burst damage as a niche, rather than limiting that to the odd situation where the enemy is basically melee range.

>>718682005
I feel the same way. At least in TES you can make enchantments yourself, even if random drop ones are stronger sometimes. I hated having to farm drops in Fallout 4, or just use console commands. I've done both auto and sniper builds in Fallout 4, and auto nearly requires something like the explosive enchant to keep up at high levels.

>>718682695
Low magazine capacity, low rate of fire, not as useful for engagements at 200+ meters, heavier ammo/less ammo can be carried, not effective against body armor, poor ballistic characteristics relative to alternatives, harder to reload and takes longer to reload.

Shotguns are OK in close quarters like buildings or trenches, but a rifle is ALSO OK in these situations while also being strictly better in many more.

I think we'll see some big changes to small arms in general because almost all the killing is being done with drones/artillery now, and rifles only see limited use in direct assault/defense of trenches and buildings. It's all much shorter ranges than everyone expected for WW3. Terminal ballistics aren't a big deal at 20m, so we may see shotguns making a comeback in some way.

If the game isn't a simulator, what's the point of complaining?
it's like complaining in a fighting game you can still get up after someone breaks your neck

Are shotguns actually useful against kevlar-clad infantry or is it only useful for breaching and shooting down drones?

>>718681420
Shotguns were only good in NV because of patches that gave them innate bonuses- hence the weird stats listed in menu. On release they were unusably bad.

>>718681991
That's just doom eternal balanced for quick swapping autism, in dark ages it has the proper power you'd expect.

>>718683382
Also fuck every strawman of it being a realism argument. It would be balanced because the shotgun is a burst damage weapon than high dps. The gameplay of a shotgun is slower than shredding people with an aek.

>>718682404
In a game, no clue. IRL slug barrel shotguns were like a poor man's rifle. Now they're just used as a loophole to basically have a rifle during shotgun only hunting seasons.

>>718683630
It doesn't matter if it has less DPS if one 'hit' of that damage kills.
You do understand that, right?

>>718682813
>shotguns are outclassed by drones

>>718683793
But it takes more time to kill 2 people than it does with an aek. The shotgun is forced to slow gameplay and have to hug cover while the aek has the option of wiping out a room in less than a second.

>>718684045
But that still feels like shit for the first person.
It makes you unbeatable in a 1v1
Makes for shit gameplay

>>718682695
A lot of reasons which nogunz won't admit to
>shotgun shells are bigger and heavier than rifle rounds, far less efficient in logistics for one thing, and soldiers would carry significantly less spare ammunition as a result
>shotgun lethality at medium to long range falls off hard because no rifling
>shotgun penetration even with solid slugs is pretty abysmal outside of close range. Buckshot isn't punching through ceramics, and solid slugs aren't usually designed for penetration either. Even if you did use penetrator slugs of some kind, the lack of rifling in shotguns means they are significantly less precise and accurate at medium to long ranges than a rifle round will be, plus, on top of that, bigger bullets doesn't mean better penetration
>shotgun recoil is significantly harder to handle, especially if you want to start talking about full auto shotguns
>even a semi-auto shotgun design doesn't really work that well for suppressing fire, and suppressing fire is one of the cornerstone doctrines of modern infantry warfare

>>718682828
Oh, you're just unironically retarded. My bad, senpai.
They are heavily used in trench and urban warfare.
There were news articles about ukranian partisans preferring them because of their ability to send 16 projectiles into a column of infantry in less time than it takes a rifle to do the same.
The Germans famously (allegedly) tried to ban them in WWI.
Every breaching team carries at least one shotgun. Every swat team carries shotguns.
The usage of the word "balanced", juxtaposed to "IRL" implies that you have a very poor understanding of reality and its physical impositions. I was correct in my assumption. Have a nice day, retard.

>>718682813
drones are target practice

Play a game where it's the best weapon type to use then.

>>718683517
The problem is that shotguns aren't fun to use.

>>718684031
Yes, actually. Are you fucking retarded?

>>718682165
Retard

>>718681242 (OP)
esl

>>718684210
Shut up retard, you don't know anything about anything. Shotguns aren't banned and if they were useful everyone would be issued one.

You sound like a fucking idiot who gets all his "science facts" from reddit.

>>718684404
did you not look at webm

>>718682993
>flies 1000 ft above you where you can't see them
>makes no noise as it approaches
>drops a fuck huge mortar on your faggot ass sitting in a cuck trench
>even if you shoot one, they only cost a few bucks, so expect a few hundred more to swarm you
>SLAVA UKRA-ACK!

>>718684329
>game called Gunz
>community rages if you use guns in a game called Gunz

>>718684162
I don't care about 1v1. I am imagining a big team setting like battlefield. They already have almost unbeatable situations (the situations that would beat them would also beat the shotgun) like a sniper or lmg locking down an area. The first person will likely die without a chance, and that's okay.

>>718684404
you're right. Obama did kill a shit load of kids with his drones

>>718683379
God, I wish could neet again.
One day it will be real.

>>718684535
Funny thing you mentioned Battlefield because in 6 you could bring both an AR and a shotgun and it was absurd, and had enough DPS to take down two men with aimlocked ARs

>>718684031
>$500 shotgun vs. $200 drone
Neat, now add a second drone carrying a grenade outside of hearing range, then it's an even fight.
Not that anon, but everything is currently outclassed by drones. They are the modern Sharpe's rifle in a field of muzzleloaders.

>>718683082
nah just get closer (ie better)

>>718681242 (OP)
>peek around corner
>lose game
Woooooooooow how was I supposed to know?

>>718684727
>what if it was 2 vs 1 bro
fuck you retard

>>718684496
Nuh uh, I know everything about everything.
You're just illiterate.

>>718682797
>why they were banned in actual warfare
get a load of this retard

>Ghost Recon: Wildlands
>a single player game with realistic bullet damage and low bullet spread
>with almost every weapon, 1 bullet to head kills, sniper rifles kill on a single bodyshot, most ARs kill on 1-3 bullets to the chest, even submachineguns can kill on a short burst into the body. SMGs are usable from midrange as they should be
>shotguns are probably the worst in any video game I've ever seen, you need 2-3 shots to kill anyone even from 10 meters

>>718684856
What if it was [country A gdp] vs [country B gdp]?
You know this is how war actually works, right? Every bullet costs a certain amount. That's why the US is investing in drone tech, because they're the most economically efficient killer on the modern battlefield. Russian/Chinese human waves notwithstanding.

>>718684727
>everything is currently outclassed by drones
Only if you're a third world country with no real air force. Try that shit against NATO and you'll be bombed from 40 thousand feet altitude and you can shove your kiddie toy drones into your ass.

>>718681242 (OP)
>game has 308 bolt action rifle
>does 100 dmg per shot
>game also has AR-10, also chambered in .308, semi-automatic
>Does 10 dmg per shot

>>718685226
The future of warfare is going to be vehicles that drive to a location and shit hundreds of drones out into the air, which are then controlled via satellite internet by random people sat at home.

>>718685407
Bombs can't occupy territory. You need people for that and drones > people.

>>718685618
What good is occupying territory when bombs exist?

>>718685483
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>718684504
Drone swarms can easily be defeated with rapid fire fragmentation rounds that have proximity fuses.

>>718685680
What's the point of invading if all you can get out of it is a smoldering crater?

>>718682165
Nobody uses shotguns innthe military, they’re useless for anything but blowing doors

>>718681242 (OP)
>>>/gif/29327836

>>718682695
They were so overpowered in ww2 Germans called for them to be banned. War has evolved since then.

>>718681242 (OP)
Due to 99% of shooter games taking place at very short range by realistic standards shotguns would be overpowered if they were realistic. Most firefights since rifles were invented take place anywhere from 200 to 500 meters or more, you can barely see the opposing forces most of the time. Most video games whether counter strike or call of duty or battlefield or literally any other take place within 100 meters with anything beyond that being considered sniper range.

>>718681242 (OP)
wow shotguns are so good i bet its the main gun for every soldier in the world

>>718685804
you sound like you know a lot about that

>real life is totally like sniper vs sniper fights on 2forts! shotguns would be useless!
meanwhile most gunfights in ukraine take place in trenches at point blank range

Battlefield 1 does shotguns good justice

>>718686275
thats because those niggas is poor and gay

>>718682791
>Who even enjoys FO4?
Bethesda fans who just want open world action games where they can kill and loot shit forver.

>>718685823
>rapid fire fragmentation rounds that have proximity fuses.
Right. You got some on you at all times, bitchboy? Nope? Ah well enjoy the draft!
>SLAVA UK-ACK!!!

>>718686020
This. Try playing SQUAD. It has realistic engagement distances and you're more likely to shoot your own team or get shot thinking they are your team due to camo looking similar and the long distances.

Also a lot of fire fights are just waiting in cover while you both take pot shots at each other.

>make shotguns have zero armor/wall penetration
and that's it, the gun is now balanced
you can give it very high damage, decent spread, a useful effective range, realismfags are satisfied, the gun is fun, and nobody complains

one multiplayer game in the history of planet earth managed to do this

>>718681242 (OP)
>play Wasteland 2/3 recently
>all the guns are single target weapons, except for shotguns, they hit everything in a cone
>get a hobo with a shotgun companion in both games
>he sucks ass
>everyone else is much more useful than he is
>until you get to the last 20% or so of the game
>when shotguns suddenly become group-deleting rape machines
I love Scotchmo

>>718686002
1. It was ww1 not ww2.

2. They didn't want them banned for being "overpowered", they weren't for the reasons that anon said, they sucked and smgs were far superior for close quarters combat which is why everyone including the americans switched to primarily using smgs by ww2. If they were more effective everyone would have used them, the germans had shotguns they just used them for hunting instead because its retarded to use them in war instead of a rifle or machine gun.

3. They wanted them banned for the same reason that explosive bullets were banned, because the effect on the body is pretty much the same. If you're gonna ban explosive rounds you might as well ban shotguns that was the argument they made.

>>718681242 (OP)
The real oppressed gamers are machinegunners, my pkm/m60 should not be out-damaged by an smg

>>718682791
Fallout 4 has 4x as many regulsr players than NV and thst includes people who play 3 through it using Tales of two Wastelands

>>718686275
An automatic rifle or sub-machine gun is still better for point blank trench fighting than a shotgun is.

>>718686692
InsurgencyGOD. IDK why counterstrike is popular when this is better in every way.

the army doesn't main shotguns because they main drones nowadays
cops still main shotguns because the raid tactic of doorkick, flashnade shotgun just werkz. If we could add in a cybernetic mastiff we would be doing great.

>>718682165
very few modern militaries actually issue shotguns for anything because their current use cases are so limited when almost everything they do is done adequately enough by a rifle or other specialized tools. shotguns were relevant in WW1 and WW2 where fighting happened at closer ranges, urban settings, trenches, ect, but now a 14.5” M4 does well enough in everything that there is no need to carry around shotguns because they’re just too heavy and cumbersome

>>718683076
you're supposed to whine about snipers

>>718686262
>no u
as expected from a mouth breathing avatar attention whore, fuck off to reddit where you belong

>>718681242 (OP)
They just need to balance it so they do not do much against armored targets. Fast, lightly armored targets get fucked if they COD their way into the room. But heavier, slower targets just shrug it off.

>>718687051
Skins

>>718683375
Shotguns are goated in the cod games retard

>>718686020
Also to add to this another thing that makes shotguns OP in games is the fact they're a one hit kill while rifles in most games have a higher TTK. So if games did give shotguns their realistic range they'd still have to lower their DPS to actually be fully realistic, shotguns will painfully maim a person but rarely instantly kill the way a bullet potentially can.

>>718684210
Breaching and SWAT teams have a shotgun to deal with locked doors. You shoot out the lock/hinges and it's quicker than kicking/ramming the door open and safer for the team (not in front of the door to get shot through. The breechers still have rifles/SMGs out when they go in.

>>718681242 (OP)
>shotguns are not allowed to be broken
>but sniper riles are OK
go fuck yourself.

>>718687125
Shotguns are useful for blowing door hinges off regular household doors and the cops clearing a house don't typically have to worry about not carrying enough ammo or having to engage at long range too. A rifle is much more versatile and adaptable to the varying scenarios you'd encounter while out on the battlefield but a shotgun can do fine for standard policework. Also because they have low penetration which when you're firing in a neighborhood with thin dry walls is another thing to consider, you want to hit the suspect standing five feet away from you and not have to worry about a high power bullet going through the wall behind them too and into the neighbor's house.

>>718681709
Shotguns are basically melee weapons.

>>718681242 (OP)
why are game devs so retarded?

pistols and shotguns simply do 0% damage on chest shots because soldiers wear steel plates.

shotgun hits to the body cause massive disruption to your aim due to trauma of the large mass of pellets.

>>718681242 (OP)
For me it's when aiming down sites magically chokes the shotgun.
Nothing really compares in annoyance to stop hip fire from being good.

>>718687752
This game does have that mechanic. You can msg dump a Makarov into someone's plate and it does nothing.

You're still pretty likely to not hit their plate and kill them. Also most people don't run plates, so they move faster.
>>718687051

>>718681242 (OP)
No because its stupid. The best solution was made by Tarkov. You get realistic spread, but low armor penetration. Making it uneffective against armored players

>Helldivers 2 has player shotguns go into the confetti zone at 30m
>Most people use incendiary shotguns since the fire still deals damage at those ranges
>Introduce enemy shotgun units
>They can reliably turn your torso to mist from 75m
>Their shotguns are also incendiary in case you survive the initial attack

>>718687725
Buckshot actually penetrates American style house walls more than 5.56 does (even without frangible 5.56). 5.56 goes fast enough that the FMJ/HP bullet starts to breakup after the first drywall and a good chunk of it gets caught by the second. By the 3rd-4th it is mostly not moving anymore. Meanwhile a buckshot ball stays together as spheres are strong and has enough mass to do 4-5 sheets of drywall.

>>718687808
Lol. That's why insurgency shotguns are fun. Throw a laser on it and you can play clay pigeon shooting with people's heads.

What would be better for an hero, using birdshot or a slug

>>718681242 (OP)
Been playing Blade in Marvel Rivals and for him it's oddly reversed. At less than 9 meters his buckshot counts as a single projectile and does accordingly low damage. After 9 meters the spread activates and each pellet does it's own damage which adds up to a lot. Then after like 15 meters the spread gets so big that all individual pellets will no longer hit the same target so the damage goes down again.

>>718688470
Heroes should use slugs and villains should use birdshot

>>718681242 (OP)
>confettis
Fucking ESL

>>718688470
Custom filled cartridge. Get creative.

>>718688928
Given the literacy level of the average amerilard, not necessarily.

>>718687257
Sniper doesn't have to breathe in my general direction and kill me

>>718681653
For me it's the Halt

>>718688172
I never understood why people think the don’t work against armor, there are lots of weak points that if one 32 caliber pellet hits it’s gonna ruin your day. A stray round to the pelvis knocks out any opponent and when things are shakey shotguns come to light. There is a reason that while lever rifles were great on the movie screen for the west but it was shotguns that brought home the bacon with ease of use.

>>718687051
i still prefer the original insurgency over the UE4 shitfest that is sandstorm
there's something about source engine games that makes them feel nicer
also modding the original one is much easier, download any dumb shit you like from the workshop and you're good to go

>>718688470
Coinshot

>>718687006
a different name for a shotgun is literally trench gun

>>718689312
Yeah UE4 was a bad mistake. Source is better. It would be cool if they made a remaster where 1 was ported to source 2, all graphics redone, and then add in the ins2 weapons + maps.

>>718681561
thing is they arent fun as others have already pointed out
shotguns are generally OP as fuck as they are devastating and very precise so they are actually a great mid-range weapon, not close range like in most video games

>>718682970
Pretty sure there was a specific shotgun in Black Ops 3 that used slugs and was exactly like that.

>>718689312
only reason I liked insurg sand was the co-op mode but I finally freed myself from it last year

>>718687808
>Call of Duty MW2
>shotguns normally have less spread if you ADS
>use perk steady aim to increase hipfire accuracy
>shotguns now have MORE spread if you ADS
fucking nutheads, I can't believe this was a multiplayer game

>>718689243
>shotguns are good against armor
>just shoot them where they have no armor

>>718689481
And? You think thats maybe because the only scenario in which they would be even remotely useful is in close quarters like a trench while even smgs are more versatile, have better range, and better suppressive fire. Shotguns were a meme in ww1, they weren't actually better and were much rarer than people think, they were used by americans because they brought them from home and were already familiar with using them. Theres a reason why everyone preferred alternatives and switched to smgs once they became widespread, including america. A rifle or automatic weapon is better and is still useful at a variety of ranges.

>>718690359
Yes, a bullet in the thigh/pelvis area has a very high chance of killing you due to artery being hit. Even getting shot in the chest is liable to break ribs.

>>718682970
IIRC the slug rounds shotgun in AvP2 was pretty much a sniper rifle without a scope

>>718690872
Forgot pic, armor is more for shrapnel

>>718689786
MW2 was so much fun. I can't stand the shotgun bullets disappearing after 5 feet lol. Also they never fixed the UMP being overpowered.

>>718682625
box fed shotguns are notoriously bad because the plastic shells deform and are even worse to load than pistol magazines
>>718684478
everything he said was right

>>718692548
semi automatic shotguns are actually notoriously bad because they tend to be very picky about what types of shells they will reliably cycle and the last thing you need while clearing a room is a failure to extract or a double feed

>>718681420
you haven't played unmodded FNV you secondary faggot

>>718694490
That's mainly due to tuning for the ammo being used. Pump shotguns will reliably go from birdshot to buck to slugs to magnesium door hinge busters with no changes. Semi auto cannot do this as easy.

>>718683196
honestly anomaly is better

>>718687257
Snipers and shotguns users should both be dragged out of their homes and hung where everyone can see.
Two sides of the same 1-shot faggot coin.

>>718694826
yea thats what I meant
gas operated/semi auto shotguns have trouble reliably cycling different types of ammo. pumps have virtually no issues besides operator error because of the manual action

>>718682404
Shotguns are easier to use lmao

>>718681242 (OP)
people bitch and moan that if shotguns were realistic they'd be OP, then turn around and whine when I say snipers are unfun when they're realistic and 1tap you from the next country over if they hit anywhere that isn't your little toe or finger.

>>718685483
Imagine a game where the damage is almost entirely decided by the cartridge and the rest of the RoF, Range, Spread pattern, etc. Was as accurate to the actual guns as possible.
It would be so shit.

>>718681561
>realism
>a man can have the ID of a woman
woah real life is so fun!

>>718687808
Honestly I'd just make your crosshair sway when you aren't in ironsights. Essentially the opposite of Sniper sway. I'd make the sway worse while moving but Ironsights would be true centered crosshair.

>>718681242 (OP)
The problem is not that shotguns would be too powerful if they were realistic, the problem is that other weapons are not treated the same way. A rifle round to the chest should be a one shot kill. An assault rifle round or two should be as well, or at the very least incapitate. Shotguns turning you into minced meat from 100 meters away as they would realistically would suddenly seem like a lot smallerissue if fully automatic weapons also killed you with 1-2 bullets.

>>718683375
shotgun is fast paced slide n shoot gameplay nigger your post makes no sense

>>718681242 (OP)
The shotguns in Rising Storm 2: Vietnam are pretty good.

>>718681242 (OP)
I like the shotguns in ready or not but I feel like they'd be most overpowered weapons in games if most shooting games had em like that.

>>718681242 (OP)
Considering the engagement ranges in most games shotguns would just be OP no brainer option if they were implemented realistically.

>>718695559
That's basically insurgency/squad. You will never survive more than 1-2 direct hits, even from pistols.

>>718695631
>Dodged!

>>718688470
Inferno napalm rounds

>>718682695
shotguns do genuinely have accuracy issues at range, it's just that that range is much, much longer than is usually depicted in video games
a standard "assault rifle" pattern (ak, m4, HK, FAL, etc.) can pick people off from much longer ranges as well as just put more bullets towards the target via controlled bursts
the ranges at which combat happens in games are not the same ranges at which it happens in real life
some exceptions to this exist like Rising Storm, Red Orchestra and sometimes Battlefield but even in those games it's not hard to justify running around, getting close to the enemy and then using a shotgun at ranges of 0-20m because it doesn't matter if you die in the game

>>718682305
I thought the buckshot in BF6 was comically weak. You could potentially get a one-shot kill at a paltry 15 meters if it was perfectly centered on a stationary target's torso, sometimes, because spread has a bit of RNG.10 meters was more reliable but not guaranteed. In reality with modern 12ga buckshot (like Federal 00 Buck Flight Control) has a 3x5" group at 25 meters which is a 100% kill every time. At 50 meters you have nominally 5 of 9 pellets (55% damage) on the torso. At 75 meters you get about 3 of 9 pellets (33% damage). When shitty 11" 308 rifles (417 carbine) can reliably 4 tap someone at 400 meters in BF6, then my buckshot damn well better be a one-hit kill at 25 meters.
Sadly though ledditors have complained loudly as have (((esports gaymurs))) and they're nerfing buckshot beyond how weak it is. They damn well better not touch slugs at least, it is a skill weapon and it should be able to one-shot heads at 100 meter and 1 shot body at 50 meters.
Otherwise there is NO FUCKING POINT to having a shotgun in the first place. Every other gun can squeeze out 3-4 rounds before the shotgun can fire 2 and every other gun is typically 3-4 shot kill. There is literally NOTHING unbalanced about how it was in the beta beyond it being on the weak side with slower TTK in most scenarios.

>>718682828
>if they were unbalanced it's what everyone would use IRL
That's why Germany tried to get America's use of 12ga shotguns declared a war crime, because they're so ineffective IRL. That's also why marines, rangers, and other front-line infantry in the US are equipped with Benelli M4s and Mossberg 590s.

>>718682970
the 725 in the MW1 remake had a few ammo types available including slugs and it was fucking insane at range
put on the longest barrel and a scope and you absolutely did have a sniper rifle; made it very easy to complete long-range challenges compared to other shotguns

>>718697163
RO2 is really fun. Try SQUAD if you haven't. It's a hiking simulator with occasional gunfights and gives you PTSD

>>718696041
And for 99% of games that level of realism isn't fun. It's way better to have looney tunes damage and physics systems so you can have stuff like rocket jumping.
The games that do feature the level of realism you did are specifically crafted to work well with it.

>>718681242 (OP)
>aren't completely broken
lol @ lmao
>be splatoon devs
>make relatively realistic shotguns (in relation to the game's other weapons)
>have to give them unique shields to not be shit compared to game's automatic weapons (nevermind other, more bullshit weapon classes)
>allowed to literally cheat the netcode to accomodate for little cleetus on mcdolanlds wifi
>still the worst class in the game by far
turns out, even in a game with surprisingly realistic (read- very fast) ttk, shotguns are ASS

>>718681242 (OP)
the main problem shotguns in games vs RL have is that FPS are like 90% CQC all the time.

>>718697247
alright buddy that thing was not comically weak. it was a good weapon. you won every encounter if you landed the first hit within 15 meters

>>718698471
At 5 meters yes, at 10 meters if you were good yes, at 15 meters no not unless RNJESUS blessed you.

>>718689312
Yeah the original game felt better to play

>>718681561
Zexo happy Thurs!

>>718682305
It barely does any damage nigga, bf6 shotguns are lethal pointblank, but anything further and I have to hit the head 3 times, not even talking about slugs that do like 70 damage at 20 meters at most lol.

>>718681242 (OP)
It's obscenely broken. You can have a tight spread at 50 yards with 00 buck. In Doom 3, the gun has to be inside the monster's mouth to have a chance of 2 pellets hitting.

Fo3 mogs

>>718681242 (OP)
niggas dont know about the the BF3 slug attachment turning shotguns into unironic snipers

>>718687051
the only good shooter on steam
https://files.catbox.moe/69jagz.webm

>>718681242 (OP)
Gun spergs are insufferable in general.
There isn't a single group of people who will be more annoying in telling you what is wrong with that particular $thing in $piece of media.
Also, they're very easy to troll.
Just say
>clip
and watch them go ballistic

>>718681420
Literally not true at all. Vanilla shotguns are shit. FO4 shotguns are broken as fuck due to crafting and legendary effects being applied on a pellet basis rather than a shot basis

>>718681561
u 2 sex

>Why can't the gun be good at everything?
Nigga???
In games where you will be carrying more than 2 guns, the point of the arsenal is for you to use ALL OF IT. If the shotgun raped at both close and long range, then the only reasons to not use it would be ammo scarcity, same with any other weapon. If you give the player a key for every lock then you know what's gonna happen.

>>718688470
homemade dragonsbreath

>>718697862
SQUAD and ARMA 3 actually gave me PTSD from the constant fucking shelling, holy shit.

>>718697975
>realistic
>5 ft range

>>718681242 (OP)
Battlefield has some great shotguns sometimes.

>>718681242 (OP)
>i wish that i could snipe people across the map with a shotgun.
most games you aren't engaging people at realistic battlefield distances. none of the guns are realistic, they're balanced for gameplay.

>>718682404
In Planetside 2, before p2w creep, several classes could not get effective mid-range options, so a scoped slug thrower was a reliable options for dealing solid damage at range.

I'm pretty sure the p2w creep ended up letting anyone use a DMR or sniper rifle.

>>718697862
It's also a buggy nightmare of tech debt, that they've made worse by transitioning for UE5.

>>718704372
Anyone could use slugs on pump actions which would lead to some hilarious instant headshot deletion of other planetmans until it got nerfed.
No idea what you're talking about when it comes to p2w.

>>718703394
It's so much fun getting video game PTSD. The shelling. Bullets flying over head, hitting near you. Not knowing if you're going to die.

>>718681242 (OP)
>retarded twitter screencap
>le "relatable FPS meme"
>"Confettis" [sic] is not the plural of confetti (ESL fag, whoever made this image is probably retarded or from another country)
>1.8M Views
>93K likes
>twitter screencrap thread on /v/
>retarded zoomerspeak "when" body text
>210 replies
Yep, it's nu-/v/ time. Lol.

>>718703394
I think one of the most fun times I've had in SQUAD was my first time getting in a helicopter
>get in helo
>flying to base with a bunch of guys
>taking small arms fire as we approach, whatever
>start lowering for a landing
>hit by rocket
>spinning out of control
>crash landing, I jump out in time to survive
>luckily we are in a small trench >CONSTANT gunfire hitting everywhere, half the helicopter riders are passed out
>trying to revive people with constant gunfire, I'd you stand up you die
>try shooting back, no idea where they are, get shot, die
Really amazing game

>>718681242 (OP)
shotguns should be relegated to head and leg shots for instant kills.

FPS games should not have sniper rifles or shotguns because they do not fit into the gameplay style.
Why would you want to have two classes of weapons that are specifically overpowered close range and long range, that makes the game unfun because now it is unfair. It is better when everybody is on equal ground and all their weapons have the same range as each other.

Devs barely make any effort to balance shotguns and snipers they make the shotguns instantly kill everybody from close up but do nothing from far away, and they make the snipers kill anybody from anywhere but it takes a long time to aim it and shoot again, this does not actually balance anything though because now you have maniacs running around who can kill you with one shot and your gun doesn't do shit to them lol.

Name one game with proper shotgun reloading speed that isn't Perfect Dark.

INTRODUCING!!!

Lol.

>>718681242 (OP)
It's to create interesting gameplay so every gun doesn't feel the same. It makes sense to exaggerate every weapons strength in that manner. Dumb complaint.

>>718681242 (OP)
Perish twitterposter

>>718686974
scratching my head at why you thought this was worth sharing

>>718682404
Because it's fun

>>718681561
Speak english

>>718682625
Yeah, you're right. That's why light infantry carries a full battle load of 420 12 gauge round.

>>718704582
>>718704778
I know, it's awesome!
One of my most visceral vidya moments happened in Arma 3 KotH.
>be piloting Chinook
>ferrying people from our base to the top of the central tower
>pick up a full load of troops from base
>flying as fast as I can to minimize risk of getting shot down
>right as I'm about to slow for landing
>rocket hits the helo
>loose control, massively overshoot the tower
>crash-land on the opposite side of the town, behind enemy lines
>start taking MG fire from a hill outside of town
>take cover, try to get everybody on the same page to push toward a tower
>start taking fire from the right
>start taking fire from the left
>guys start going down, we can't help them
>run into a house
>GRENADE
>enemies entering the house
>panic
>sprint out the back of the house
>just keep running, don't look back
>two guys leave the house with me
>loose them at some point while running back to friendly lines, don't know what happened to them
>somehow make it back to safety
>realize that I was panting and sweating in my chair
>my hands were shaking when I took them off the controls
Holy shit.

>>718705715
who the fuck tbought this was a good idea

>>718706741
Lmao epic. People sleep on the best games and play slop instead.

>Muh balance
That argument kinda goes out the window when almost every popular arcade shooter allows players to turn assault rifles into laser beams with 60 round drum mags and MLG sweatlords run around the map no scoping everyone.

>>718682945
Nobody post the fags Rittenhouse eliminated.

>>718681420
new vegas shotguns are absolutely abysmal without shotgun surgeon, due to how the game used a different damage reduction system compared to 3 that made shotguns fucking worthless against anything armored. shotgun surgeon was a dlc perk btw

>>718703814
Lethal oneshot range is comparable to game's AK.

>>718689226
you're ok with being one shot from across the map by a sniper that you didn't see and had no chance of beating but not the gun that has to get within 30 meters on a map that's a mile and half long?

>>718681242 (OP)
it is realistic, just with scaling for gameplay purposes where all ranges are compressed. lethality of a shotgun spread is about 50 yds vs an AR-15 at 600 yds. at this distance IRL you would need a scope to hit anything, so in-game these ranges are typically for sniper rifles, whereas an actual sniper rifle has a range of over 1,000 yds which would be like shooting at a pixel before zooming in. the scopes on those rifles usually go up to 35x magnification whereas in games they usually top out at like 10x. few people want to play a game where they can be sniped from half a mile away in real distance.

>>718683082
That's Metal Gear Online.

>>718704628
designated shitting board, you've been replaced grandpa better accept the diversity

>>718681242 (OP)
Deer slugs beat pretty much all rifles. You can put nearly anything in a shotgun and it fires. They even put 50 cal rounds in them and they work. Shotguns are like a gun hack in a game in real life they make no sense can do anything and is better than every other option.

Games aren’t realistic they need to balance things out. So they artificially introduce obstacles so there’s not a single win button in the game.

>>718707383
No it isn't, not only is Shotgun Surgeon in the base game but Cass even has her own version of it. You're thinking of And Stay Back, the shotgun ragdoll perk from Dead Money.

how to do shotgun right in a video game?

>>718687051
CS is a containment game for euro/russo/chinkoid weapon-skin autism

>>718707105
>>718706741
I forgot to mention that because this is KotH, both sides are constantly shelling the city.
>The thunder of high explosives never stops.

>>718686513
>using ukie shitters as an example of proper future warfare

>>718696074
anons here don't know about muh double barrel getting 110m buckshot kills without a single issue

>>718685925
Call of duty is not a mil sim. It's a death match. Shotguns should mog everything or just don't have any.

>>718707064
because it's COOL

also because I doubt that they playtested every single weapon combo and that one is a little obscure. The range was obviously unintended but it was fucking hilarious day one, and it made people so butthurt they're still complaining 15 YEARS LATER

I don't like when games have futuristic looking shotguns, I prefer when video games have the old fashioned looking ones that you would see a guy from the South using in a movie lol.

>>718682305
I remember bfbc2 where you could use slugs and literally snipe with shotguns. That was fun.

if shotgun had longer barrel can it shoot a long yard?

7th gen trannies are still mindbroken by shotguns being good in cod once so in their mentally ill slop eating minds they must be shit always and forever, the opinions of 7th gen niggers should be completely ignored

>>718709721
But i liked shotguns being good.

>>718687752
>due to trauma of the large mass of pellets.
Doesn't happen with hard armor.

>>718681242 (OP)
There's an indie game in development that's working on accurate shotgun blast physics. Further away the shots land the more the shots are spread out and less damage it does. Name was Couchparty Gamenight if I remember. Retro graphics though, but physics and gameplay are nextgen.

>>718688224
>They can reliably turn your torso to mist from 75m
It's not that far off from reality, then.

>>718690872
>missing the point this badly

>>718681242 (OP)
At least shotguns kills things in most games.
In CS2 they don't do anything, you could hit all pellets but 1 at close range and depending or where you hit them the enemy may or may not die. You you are not using the auto shotty and meet 2 enemies you are basically dead because there is no way you will be able to fire another shot before you die.

luv me doom 3 murder cannon

>>718710136
You know what else is an effective short range weapon? An assault rifle.

>>718710997
Retard

>>718695631
that game fucking sucks so much

>>718695631
Why can't it just have limited ammo and let that be its weakness. Why are the Japs so retarded.

>>718682165
Shotguns exist at all in modern games because every gamedev has simultaneously convinced themselves to make the LMG into a squirt gun. In reality the shotgun is an outdated weapon used primarily for the purpose of civilian crowd control using nonlethal rounds or for bird hunting. It is completely outclassed in combat.

>>718711525
I liked titanfall 2's heavy machine gun. Throw on a high zoom scope and it's very powerful.

>>718681420
Shotguns in New Vegas are terrible against Damage Threshold Armor System. And is only fixed if you get a specific perk that lets it ignore certain amount of DT armor.

>>718711525
The navy still use it a lot.
It's good in boats. You just shoot vaguely forward, and the pellet ricochet against the wall, ripping apart any foe on its path.
Due to the low penetrative power (when compared to your average rifle), you don't have to worry about shooting a fren through a wall by accident.

>>718682165
Terrible armor penetration should be your first argument for IRL Shotguns.

>>718682695
Because they are terrible against armor

>>718711525
>Shotguns exist at all in modern games because every gamedev has simultaneously convinced themselves to make the LMG into a squirt gun.
This. If you want realistic shotguns, you should also get realistic assault rifles, where one bullet kills instead of needing to hit a guy 5-10 times to zero out his health values.

>shotguns should do heavy damage up close
>but rifles shouldn't incapacitate with one chest hit as far as you can see

>>718682404
white mans tastes can be mysterious at times

>>718703118
>If the shotgun raped at both close and long range, then the only reasons to not use it would be ammo scarcity
you've just described the assault rifle in every shooter.

>>718712131
But one bullet doesn't kill from an assault rifle. Chud Rittenhouse couldn't only killed two people (rest in power) and injured the last so that's 2/3 so it shouldn't kill you outright or it's unrealistic.

It's funny how most tactical shooters have pretty good balancing with most if not all guns having a niche and are to fun to play with while arcade shooters have the most cancerous metas where everyone just uses the same load out with almost zero variation

>>718696618
>You will never survive more than 1-2 direct hits, even from pistols.
Does Squad not implement helmets and plates?

>>718681242 (OP)
ctrl + f gnasher
0 results
I must be the oldest person in 4chan.

>>718712513
Tactical shooters are filled with trap options, generally 1-2 guns per weapon type are balanced competitively around each other and the rest are dogshit garbage.

In mass effect 3 there was a mod I found on the krogan planet eight after you land. I forget what the mod was, but it made all your shotgun shells into a giant slug basically. I ended up only using that slug Canon for the rest of the game.

>>718681242 (OP)
But that's realistic when I shooted guns I don't understand what you're talking about. Please don't talk if you don't know how it works.

>>718682797
It wasn’t just because they were OP, do t get me wrong they were nightmarishly efficient for trench warfare due to slam fire and enclosed spaces, but the real reason was because the wounds they inflicted were absolutely fucking awful to try and patch up. Also because the Germans were little bitches who hated getting blown into chunky salsa while merrily roasting and gazing people.

>>718706712
>not daily carrying 400+ 12gage buckshot rounds
You're ngmi

>>718695631
TRUE SURVIVAL HORROR UHNGGGG

>>718711843
>>718707383
>Their complaints are purposeful choices in game design
You just want everything handed to you right away without any commitment to a build. It's a fucking RPG you ADHD retards. Fallout 4 sucks because of "le casuels" like you.

>>718712835
Gears of War was mentioned.
But it was actually balanced and felt good to use in those games.

It's a balance issue. If shotguns worked realistically there's be no reason to use anything else

>>718682062
I was pretty fun hitting things in mid-long distance with slugs in Into the Radius in early game.

>>718717615
>realistically
Reality is they are close range and useless at long. You would have to switch. Wtf are you talking about.

if they made shotguns realistic how can anyone realistically hope to beat 12ga? you're outgunned even 300 yards away

>>718717842
>300 yards
Lol none of you know what you're talking about. 10 yards is a stretch.

>>718681420
Find (or mod) an Explosive Combat Shotgun. They have the range of any rifle with around 6 times the lethality of a regular Combat Shotgun.

>>718682305
I saw those complaints too. What's worse balance is running a shotgun and shooting someone a few yards away all for it to bounce off them doing ~12 damage. Why when have shotguns in the game at that point.

>>718681242 (OP)
i liked shotguns with explosive ammo being laser accurate in payday 2

>>718682285
No it's a pretty normal thought process. Anyone who thought guns with magical abilities was cool should be shot in the head with one.

>>718682863
you're beyond retarded.

Battlefield has realistic gunplay down to the point you can get a shotgun with slugs and use it like a rifle just like real life. and people LOVE it

You fags act like at 100-300 meters people can easily pick others off with a fucking rifle.
Majority of anons in this thread couldn't even hit a stationary target at 50 meters, even with high power scopes.
What's really fucking stupid is people full-autoing at any distance past 30 and somehow majority of the bullets land, despite in real life most of the bullets land in different fucking counties.

>>718722235
1. It's piss easy to hit a rifle target at 100 yards
2. Yes full auto accuracy in games is a meme.

>>718681242 (OP)
>In a singleplayer|story game?
I absolutely understand ops pic and 100% agree
>In an online pvp shooter?
You have no idea how guns should be balanced and i can guess your acc and kdr stats: 0.00 lmao

>>718707894
oh that was a bad fuck up on my part. i knew "and stay back" was a dlc perk, but i thought ss was as well.

>>718722434
>1. It's piss easy to hit a rifle target at 100 y
Have you watched any pre-drone war footage? It's people spending hundreds of rounds of ammo taking pot shots at each other and no one getting hit.

>>718724087
Generally well past 100 yards and hitting a stationary target while not being threatened on a range is a different situation than hitting a "stationary" target shooting back at you with frens at 100 yards

>>718724087
>>718724397
Yeah that's true.

>>718682404
The same reason you put a 20x scope on a 1911 and miss all your shots. Because you can.

>>718726045
Pretty much. Or the muzzle flash comes out of the side of their gun while theybare facing away from you.

>>718682695
Army doesnt main shotguns because actual firefires dont occur in tiny FPS maps. They occur in massive open fields where you are shooting at some dot in a trench or in a window like 1km away.

Best shotguns in the history of vidya:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwoJ8vIoxA0

>>718726443
Imagine not curving your shots.

>>718681242 (OP)
The problem is most FPS games are very close range compared to real life firefights so they nerf everything to about quarter or eight their potential range and the games are effectively 1:8 miniature range basically from reality. Not 1:1.

>>718683005
Shotguns are home-defense and armed branches of paramilitary type of load outs with SMGs being the second most common especially in countries with stricter gun control laws those are effective enough to not warrant full automatic assault rifles for cops lol. Of course they might have sniper rifles on hand for special occasions but mostly those people deal with CQC shit so they get equipped with effective for CQC guns.

>>718686692
>>make shotguns have zero armor/wall penetration
>and that's it, the gun is now balanced
Should be situational for wall penetration. Drywall, wood, shit like that is absolutely going to be worthless at stopping a shotgun. The shit that stops a shotgun tends to stop most other alternatives as well.

>>718727192
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O8alYDvzUxA
Lies. You need a really thick wall to stop a shottie.

The worst offender of this that I've ever played has got to be destiny 2. There are, and I am not memeing or exaggerating, melee weapons with more effective range than most shotguns in that game.
The most realistic and fun shotguns in vidya I can think of are actually in helldivers 2. I was expecting the usual vidya nonsense when I first got one but it turned out to be the most realistic shotgun in an unmodded vidya that I have ever seen

>>718697432
>That's also why marines, rangers, and other front-line infantry in the US are equipped with Benelli M4s and Mossberg 590s.
And yet when it comes to the actual killing it's almost invariably rifles, carbines and machine guns what they use.

>>718727635
PUBG is also one, had to literally rock a chinese Xiayoung or whatever generic chingchong name he had with 5 shots to down them and they were wearing no helmet, some basic bitch kevlar vest. No longer range than 100 yards 100% when they were mostly just still when they took the shots.

>>718726954
I feel like most people understand this and the people complaining about shotguns just want to pretend they don’t

>>718702246
Tank nerds mog them. Just watch them having unironic melties over fucking giant robots.

>>718681242 (OP)
I get this since if shotguns were portrayed accurately in vidya, they'd be fucking overpowered as shit. There's a reason Germans tried to get them banned in real fucking wars.
What annoys me is when this trope extends beyond video games like in TV now where writers only experience with shotguns is through video games. TV gets guns wrong a lot actually come to think of it.

>>718707762
Retard

>>718711242
He's right though

>>718712446
It's less killing and more about disabling a threat. You should see the monster wounds Kyle's AR did on those fags.

>>718684727
You do know a shotgun isnt a 1 time use thing right? Like you can shoot a shotgun, then reload and shoot it again.
Really the most expensive thing in war is people.

>>718685870
Clear out the locals so you can strip mine raw resources like oil using cheap labor imported from a different shithole that you control?

>>718727876
Retard

>>718682305
BF6 shotgun was garbage what the fuck. I got every attachment and even then it was crap. It was only good in the capture the point game mode since everyone was within 2 meters.
The shotgun was just weird, it felt almost as if hip-firing did more damage than ADS artificially

Shotgun are for zombies and other similar monsters.

>>718707383
>weapon type isn't very good unless you build your character to use that weapon type
have you never played an RPG in your life?

>>718682625
See: >>718684478 also: >>718684478

>>718684727
You'll notice that not only are your numbers completely made up, but also that the shotgun did not explode.

how did they get it right?

>>718727829
Most people don't understand this because they've never been to military or read up on military or even you know learned about guns. We are dealing with a generation raised on Fortnite and Apex Legends not fucking CS, Call of Duty, Halo and Battlefield.

>>718722208
>Battlefield
>realistic gunplay
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

>>718711843
you have a shotgun shell to counter everything you fight against and slugs are good against high dt targets, pulse slugs rape robots and power armor. that's why the shotgun is good in new vegas

>>718681242 (OP)
i watched a cop bodycam a while back where a crazy dude from range fired a shotgun, one of the pellets or whatever they call them got h between the eyes and he was basicallly fine

so im starting to think this constant gamer outrage about shotguns is getting exaggerated in the other direction, claiming them to be mini sniper rifles

>>718681242 (OP)
One of my favorite examples of shitty shotguns is MGS4, which not only had terrible range and damage, in multiplayer it couldn't one shot at any range and couldn't headshot either. And to add one final insult to it, the masterkey underbarrel shotgun you could get for your assault rifles had better range and damage than it and could one shot people in multiplayer.

>>718681242 (OP)
Shotguns wouldn't be a viable choice if game devs quit making most engagement ranges be smaller than my house. Alas, it's the best way to get those endorphins going because boom, and enemy drops within view vs hitting someone far away and seeing 4 pixel tall object become a 4 pixel wide object.

>>718705715
God I miss peaks MW2
>akimbo 1887/rangers
>riot shield
>noob tube
>commando pro with tac knife
Yup, it's ragebait time.

>>718681242 (OP)
milslop problem

>>718731315
Get that zoomspeak out of here squeaker, its Trolling Time, not ragebait.

>>718731430
>ammo on the weapon
kino

>>718712387
>tfw combat engineer with duckbill shotty, c4 and WP nade
aiming is for nerds

>>718682695
Rate of fire, actual range drop-off, bulky ammo, whatever a shotgun can do in a realistic combat scenario a modern rifle can do better. Shotguns were great in trenches because they weren't outclassed by other weapons just yet and they also had great environment. Groups of people clsoe to you with weapons possibly slower than yours. That's where it works. Now everyone can kill you faster than you're gonna press the trigger again.
They have a use though. Police and SpecOps teams usually have one guy carry a cheaper pump-action to breach doors but nothing else.

>>718681653
The slugger my beloved never recovered from it's damage and stagger nerf and it annoys me to no end that they added the halt that's basically just the same weapon prenerf but you had pay for it
>>718682404
in BF3 slug sniping was genuinely better at times than actually using a sniper since the fire rate was much higher, and I believe sniper scopes on weapons that weren't snipers didn't give off the same lens glare so people didn't know you were looking at them

>>718689742
i only really played the co op mode and had a bit of fun. is there a better alternative?

>>718681242 (OP)
Shotguns peaked in Halo CE.

>>718733845
Killzone 2 had an absurdly fun shotgun for a while.

Bow to the king.

>>718731315
>commando pro with tac knife
>not running akimbo USPs so you can grow a 3rd arm

>>718681561
That’s not the point
Go play bf 2042 where everything looks cool as fuck and then you have faggots sliding and hopping around like they are bobbing for cocks. Movement belongs in arena shooters and nothing else

>>718735412
If it's KS-23, then I hate how they always miss the point of that weapon by making it just a big shotgun.

>>718681242 (OP)
>realistic gun nerds
You mean normal people who touch grass unlike you, nigger?

>>718733845
>Shotguns peaked in Halo CE.

>>718681709
false
mass effect 3's shotguns were top tier

>>718688470
Like >>718689001 said. Try using glass slugs.

https://youtu.be/7-n4bxxn9gA
https://youtu.be/MCs_rsyA4to

>>718736157
Don't worry anon, they gave it the flashbang rounds in Tarkov