Thread 718682347

So this pretty much proved the soul isn't the player. Because there are a lot of people playing this who wouldn't do this. So the soul isn't you, and people who think it is are going to be in for a rude awakening.

>>718682347 (OP)
Oh my god I don't care I just want a bad ending for everyone.

>>718682523
then just don't play the game retard, then everyone is stuck in an eternal oblivion forever

>>718682634
What the fuck kind of special ed reply is this? I like the game, I am hoping for a bad ending
Are you actually retarded? Can you read? How did you
>imply
I dislike the game? Eat shit, I fucking hate posters like you, pulling the dumbest shit out of your ass and then responding to said hallucinations like you are all that.

>>718682523
>die
>refuse to continue
>world gets covered in darkness
Wa la

>>718682347 (OP)
why did the heart get erect

>>718682347 (OP)
Kris actually did it.

>>718682347 (OP)
soul is you evidence:
>everything between UT and DR is framed around it
>it does exactly what you tell it to
>it is literally a container for YOUR will
soul isnt you evidence:
>w-well toby didnt give me a "press X to awesome" prompt

>>718683008
you like this shit? lol, fucking underaged poster get banned

>>718683538
>>everything between UT and DR is framed around it
>>it does exactly what you tell it to
>>it is literally a container for YOUR will
I'm sure that all sounds great, but then you actually play the game and you get absolutely fuck all choice wise. I know the idea of being the main character in this game probably makes your clitty hard but come on

>>718683701
>but then you actually play the game and you get absolutely fuck all choice wise
because you're limited by the container for the soul and your connection to the world.

>>718683836
You're just talking out your ass, that's what all you soul = player retards do

>>718682347 (OP)
>>718682523
>>718683538
>>718683701
>>718683915
You are grown men analyzing and taking a furry pixel cartoon game seriously. Exaggerating every little detail to make it deeper than it actually is and creating randumb headcanons. You are on par with ponyniggers thinking their kid's cartoon is some deep profound masterpiece. You are ponyniggers except the trannier version.

>>718683915
explain the purpose of the gonermaker if its not to make a vessel for (you)
>inb4 it was but the soul isnt you!
you use the soul to make choices in the gonermaker.

>>718683915
Just out of curiosity, what is your stance on Dess being the knight?

The soul is your interface and it does things automatically because that's what it's supposed to do. Saying it's not "you" in the context of the game is like saying your body is not "you" because it doesn't perfectly follow your brain's every command.
Someone in the last thread claimed that "you" are the vessel, but that goes completely against the first scene where you give your vessel a name before entering your own name.

>>718684158
>Soul does something you didn't chose to do
>IT'S STILL YOU BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT JUST IS... OKAY?!?
Can't wait for this to just be Chara 2.0

>>718684098
the vessel is more likely the player than the fuckin soul is lmao

>>718682347 (OP)
>>718683538
>>718683701
>>718684158
I definitely think it's less about the SOUL being Literally (You) and more of a device to interact with the world of DELTARUNE. Like how Darkseid always messes with the Justice League through an avatar of destruction and not his true physical self, because the real Darkseid would collapse their reality under his cosmic weight. The heart shaped object is like another vessel in that sense with limits on what it can and can't do.

The sprite for the "soul" is literally named Device

>>718684085
ill reply to you anon

>>718685052
Say this device were to be entered into evidence

Daily reminder that Sans is a federal agent.

>>718684085
As a ponynigger I think you are too cynical and need more cute things in your life.
>>718684778
That's less of a theory and more of what the game implicitly tells you. Your actions being limited in the game is diegetically explained as the interface being crude and imperfect, but sufficient to accomplish your goals. The SOUL is physically weak in the light world which is why a host is needed, acting as yet another go-between. It could be more straightforward only if Gaster told you in plain language.

>>718684085
I noticed this

>>718684112
nobody knows, same with the soul

>>718684085
Game is inspired by twin peaks and encourages schizo thinking.

>>718684085
Kek

>>718685290
Why does he already have the ability to occupy multiple places?

>>718685371
>That's less of a theory and more of what the game implicitly tells you.
Honestly that's all the more reason why I think this will be proven to not be the case. Toby's writing is unpredictable with lots of twists and turns, yet people insist that this is the one thing that'll be proven. Why? I guess they think it's cool. They never say what about it is cool either. Personally, I think being told you're harming fictional characters in a fictional game just by playing it regardless of what you chose would be really fucking lame and the opposite of cool.

>>718685589
He's a chad mystic like Gary Coopah.

>>718685738
*Dale

wow cool

>>718685526
They both encourage dream-like thinking, not being le internet schizo

>>718685706
Toby loves his twists but I don't think he's going that far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LGu1sOvxYs
We'll learn more info eventually like why Gaster wants us in "his" Deltarune, and maybe where our SOUL came from and where Kris's SOUL went. I do think the interface theory is going to be upheld all through the game with these other mysteries explored.
>Personally, I think being told you're harming fictional characters in a fictional game just by playing it regardless of what you chose would be really fucking lame and the opposite of cool.
Agreed and I don't think he'll go that route. I don't even think the metaphorical rape of characters in the weird route will be punished like genocide is in Undertale, since trying different things to learn a way out seems to be encouraged.

>>718685371
I never thought the mlp ponies were cute

>>718685290
Cope. Sans is a nigger and Toriel is a drunken whore.

>>718684269
>body makes your heart beat even though you didn't choose to do that
>IT'S STILL YOU BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT JUST IS... OKAY?!?

>>718686586
Yeah bro, your heart is able to make conscious decisions for you in real life just like the soul can. Well that was a retarded analogy, try again

The kinographic lvdonance of Chapter 5 will be unreal.

>>718686586
>he's not consciously controlling every heartbeat
NPC behavior, you probably don't have internal dialogue either.

>>718686742
What conscious decisions does the SOUL make? When it comes to sealing fountains, that could just be something it's programmed to do automatically.

>>718686797
Gay art

>>718686797
Why do I find Kris being miserable in art like this so hot?

>>718686537
>he's falling for his bait
Anti-Sans anons... are you really this stupid?

>>718686941
Because you are gay

>>718686797
Straight art

>>718682523
Based

>>718684586
retard.

>>718686941
Because you are straight

>>718686948
I don't understand how him glowing in the dark is supposed to make him less of a nigger but okay.

>>718687206
>no rebuttal

>>718687286
whats the point when you're so fucking retarded that you think the vessel is the player and not the soul?
you used the soul to make the vessel.

>>718687356
>you used the soul to make the vessel
someone else used the soul to make the vessel, probably the same person who got rid of the vessel

>>718687453
Yeah, it's another real player connecting through online multiplayer PvP. You figured it out, anon!

>>718687453
Crazy how that other person guessed the choices you made at the exact same nano-second you pressed the keys on your keyboard. Must be a psychic.

>>718687584
>strawman
that's the only way you lot can win huh, the soul being the player theory really crumbles under the slightest amount of scrutiny

The soul is sans undertale

>>718687701
it's not like there was many choices to pick from, and ultimately it didn't even matter anyways

>>718687775
The soul is a device for the player to connect with the world, you're genuinely fucking retarded if you think every bit of set-up and thematic consistency done for this is just an epic red herring and that the soul is just its own thing playing its own agenda. It has its own purpose and automatic functions, built by someone else. But (you) have consistently fucking controlled it and made choices with it, it is the one thing you fucking use to break the game and achieve the snowgrave route. Genuinely, what point would there be for it to be someone else.

>>718688076
you also consistently controlled frisk, frisk ain't you buddy

>>718688190
So true.

>>718682347 (OP)
Correct OP. Very correct. Us player deniers WILL win.

>>718688190
Undertale is more complicated. In Undertale, Frisk is the body and SOUL, while Chara is more of a disembodied spirit giving you an interface. But you are still present as the player controlling everything, and are addressed directly by Flowey, Sans and Chara.

>>718683538
Nothing in Undertale is definitive player is canon evidence. Notice the word DEFINITIVE, here.

>>718689175
when flowey talks to you after the pacifist run, does he talk to a heart.png? or does he look at YOU while talking?

>>718689338
>retard still can't understand that the heart.png is a DEVICE, a METHOD for you to control things.
Is your keyboard a whole different person because you're not magically interfacing with your computer with just your mind?

>>718689460
>Is your keyboard a whole different person
your keyboard isn't a person, your keyboard is a keyboard

>>718689591
Indeed, your heart.png is your heart.png. Something you control for enacting things in Deltarune.

>>718685290
Truth.

>>718689637
and who is to say that heart.png isn't being controlled by someone else as well? especially when half the time you're not even controlling it anyways

>>718686905
NTA but the SOUL turns yellow and moves on its own in Spamton NEO fight.

>>718689782
Because it would be inconsistent with heart.png being a metafictional thematic analogue for a player interacting with a videogame.
There is no evidence for heart.png's moments of you not controlling it being someone else, the clear indication being that these are simply automatic processes of the device.

>>718689338
He's talking to Chara. There must be some sort of Mandela Effect curse that affects discussion of that scene.

The end of chapter 3 and start of chapter 4 already confirm that Kris can use the soul without our input because he seals the TV World fountain off screen between chapters. So I wouldn't be surprised if Kris is the one doing stuff like activating the yellow and green modes, and activating >>718682347 (OP). Where we come in is as someone who can change fate through our actions, because Kris is pessimistic and thinks everything's on rails.

Behold, a man!

>>718689990
>Because it would be inconsistent with heart.png being a metafictional thematic analogue for a player interacting with a videogame
well if the soul really is going to be a metafictional thematic analogue for a player interacting with a videogame, it's going to be a very poorly done one

>>718690192
kek

>>718690192
>TV automatically turns off after 2 hours of not using it
Ok but how do you know there is not someone hacking into your TV remote and controlling it to turn your TV off manually?

>>718690360
nah bro, that remote is you

>>718690146
>Kris can use the soul without our input because he seals the TV World fountain off screen between chapters.
Or it's another evidence that the SOUL has a will of their own.

>>718690596
>You need to physically transform into a TV remote to be able to use one, the fact that you have to click on the buttons on your remote has to mean that someone else is also always controlling it at the same time.
>Every TV remote has a little goblin inside it answering your key presses and using them to magically interact with the television but sometimes he also does his own key presses for no reason.

>Playerfags have no arguments against player deniers and just resort to shitposting
Kek!

>>718690801
multiple people can use a tv remote you know

>>718690935
there's no point in arguing with someone that believes
>the vessel is actually the player instead of the soul!
>why?
>because you made the vessel using the soul!

>>718690737
I think it's more reasonable to assume that an object that is being used by one entity connected to it (the player) can also be used by another entity connected to it (Kris). The soul having a will of its own opens up a fuckton of prerequisites just to make that a thing with seemingly no positive effect on the actual narrative of the game.

>>718691168
The SOUL isn't an object. I swear Deltarune has made people dumber about concepts introduced in Undertale. By definition a SOUL is the very core of a person, not just an object. The book in Chapter 2 straight up says this.

>>718690986
Ok, but you have just flat out assumed there IS another person in the room using the TV remote for no reason, with no proof. Where is that other person? Can you point it out to me? Is it a hacker? Is it an invisible goblin inside the remote? Is it inside the walls?
Your point is mostly showing it that a remote works like a remote therefore someone else must be using it.
A soul is used to close up dark fountains, that seems to be its automatic function, THEREFORE someone ELSE must be using it to close dark fountains. How does that make sense to you?

>>718690025
Flowey puts Chara's name in quotations which indicates that he's familiar with the name being used, but that it's not actually Chara. And of course not long before, he explicitly said Chara was long dead. He knows he's talking to a third entity, the Player.

>>718691341
of course there's no proof, we're figuring shit out as we go along, there's no proof that the soul is you in the most literal sense either and yet people assume that's just how it is despite us learning more with each chapter

>>718691341
NTA, but I assume in this case it’s the SOUL itself that does it. Because it has its own will.

>>718691669
Extreme headcanon here to justify going against what's literally being said. Chara refers to themselves in using quotations in their name, so I guess Chara isn't Chara but instead the player, now.

>>718690025
well either way the point i was trying to make still stands, you play as frisk in undertale but frisk isn't you nor is chara (that whole thing confuses me still)

The soul you control is actually Frisk's soul. The one you sold to Chara at the end of genocide.

>>718691292
Considering the soul is first introduced when we're making our vessel, there's no guarantee it's mechanically the same as a Deltarune lightner soul. You have to remember that there's an in-universe plot reason why we specifically the player of a video game are brought in to the Deltarune setting with that soul as our connection to the setting. It just hasn't been explicitly told to us yet because we're only halfway through the game.

>>718691962
This, but the SOUL is Frisk's Goner SOUL. A copy of her SOUL from Undertale made by Gaster to alter Deltarune's fate.

>>718691938
It's not that complicated, anon.

Frisk is the character you are moving about.
Chara is the ghost controlling Frisk.
You are the person playing the game.

>>718692026
There's no guarantee that it's just something that RESEMBLES a SOUL, either. That's also an assumption.

>>718691292
then if that's the case then it might be kris' soul

>Chara is the ghost controlling Frisk.
yeah that's what i don't get, chara is controlling frisk? like what?

>>718691836
Chara over the course of genocide becomes a completely different person, or rather entity. He/she becomes the embodiment of RPG mechanics rather than the historical figure within Undertale. The name and image is all that's left over.

>>718683538
Does it? I want to kill Kris and get a hero who will actually OBEY the simple instructions given them. Seal the Fountains. Kill the Knight. Stop the Roaring.

But I can't act on the orders I was given, because the game hates me.

>>718692214
Basically when Frisk fell he landed on Chara's grave, he cried out for help much like Chara did. This awoke his spirit from death and caused it to inhabit Frisk. Possibly serving as the narrator.

>>718692337
>because the game hates me.
The game doesn't hate you, you self-pitying faggot. It just presents a story with characters with less than holy personalities and motivations.
>Ugh, why's this Holden Caulfield guy not just killing the bad guys?

>>718692267
This is also more headcanon justifying things you don't like. Chara was associated with numbers since they were alive, as seen in the 9th anniversary letter.

>>718692337
>Why doesn't Mario kill peace and become king?

>>718682347 (OP)
Kris is likely tapping into our power somewhat.

>>718692521
Nta but this game does hate you

>>718692214
Frisk's determination awoke Chara's essence, making her attached to her. Think of Frisk as the golden flower to Chara's Asriel.

>>718692589
It's long been my interpretation, and yes it's a headcanon. Where's this letter? I'd like to read it.

Deltarune fags
I'm reading homestuck because of that stupid dog voicing him

>>718692683
Isn't the determination your?

Kris is trying to save the world, rescue his childhood friend and help her have revenge on her murderer. How is he in the wrong?

>>718692658
Yeah, the one part where you're a beacon of light giving all of the characters hope and defending them from the Knight's onslaught was so hateful towards the player.
You're just a bitch that's crying about the game putting you in an awkward claustrophobic position where characters are conspiring and not giving you the full information.

>>718682347 (OP)
The soul is a device that allows for the game to reach a completion state. If presented with a situation where it's impossible to proceed, it creates a path for the player.
Examples include, aside from OP, when you randomly turn Yellow for the Spamton NEO fight. Or getting stronger ACTs when fighting stronger foes, though this seems to depend partially on Kris, considering we didn't get to use any special acts on the Knight fight.
And about the Knight fight, if it continued it would have ended up on their defeat, there is zero record of the SOUL not being able to end a fight, you always have 2 outcomes, either game over or winning.
Source: my temmie tulpa

>>718692757
sorry to hear that

>>718692589
Chara was always a troubled kid but the person Asriel described is a far cry from the soulless demon thanking you for destroying everything and everybody they ever loved in the pursuit of power.

>>718692757
Just make sure to stop when it becomes absolute dogshit

>>718692658
Why?

>>718692643
Why didn't he do that when we (le evil player rapist) RAPED his friend

MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM MLEM

>>718692757
What a waste of time.

>>718692780
Dess was probably a bad person. And if she wasn't, do you really think she would want Kris to suffer just for the possible chance of saving her?

>>718692862
>You're just a bitch that's crying about the game putting you in an awkward claustrophobic position where characters are conspiring and not giving you the full information.
I actually didn't know that happened. I'm saying the game hates you for making you play as that faggot with long hair instead of the guy you make. I stopped playing after that, so I don't actually know what this gayme is about.

>>718693152
Poor little Nonny couldn't handle babby's first twist.

>>718692591
Mario does not let Peach to be ravaged by Bowser and his goons. That's what Kris does. Mario is a hero, and Kris is not.
>>718692521
Holden gets sacked at the end of the story. The whole story is him from his little cell telling it back to the reader. Kris has gotten away with everything, and the game still pretends he's a hero.>>718692521
They aren't on my side and won't follow orders? Then give me someone who will.

>>718693265
Nah I just don't play games where you can't customize your character.

>>718684085
I'm a stud. I’m ballsy. I don’t take no shit from anyone.
I can discuss whatever I want on the internet! I don't need to be ashamed of my interests, like you!

>>718692862
I didn't do that. I don't want to defend Kris. Why is the Soul doing that? He can die with his degenerate master.

>>718693326
>Game acts like he's a hero
Do you really think Susie isn't going to let him have it like crazy when the truth is revealed?

>>718693330
You have a very specific thing you want in videogames before you play them (which is fair). But then come in a thread about a game that doesn't have it and cry and complain about it as if it was a standard that should exist in every videogame. I'm not buying it, you're just bitching about Undertale like every other mind broken faggot in this board.

>>718686929
>>718687023
it's not gay if I like it (because I'm not gay)

>>718692868
It's impossible to proceed while carrying around a vessel who can, will, and has stopped the mission from being completed. It is a liability to keep playing as Kris at this point.

>>718693326
>Kris has gotten away with everything, and the game still pretends he's a hero.
No, the game clearly presents it as Kris being a conspiratorial person with unclear grey motivations. He's presented as an antagonistic force.

>>718692701
https://toby.fangamer.com/interviews/letter/

>>718693483
At this point, yes. I think the game will bend over backwards for Kris. And I don't care what Susie says, if she plans on derailing the Prophecy. Tenna died for her, Jack died for her. If she's not ready to sacrifice herself, they died for nothing.

>>718692776
Frisk is the one stated to be filled with determination, so...

I like looking after Kris. It's like dealing with a teenager, minus the part where he suddenly converts to Islam or becomes a neo nazi.

>>718693687
We get it. Every story needs to have an epic ending or else your feelings get hurt and your feelings can't get hurt because you're such a special little boy.

>>718693631
Is it? Why is the whole Dark Fountain making thing just swept under the rug as if it came out on it's own? Why does the game still expect you to play as Kris after seeing him directly betray the party? Not a word from the game about either development.

>>718692892
>The character that conspired to exterminate humanity would never ever harm someone!!!

>>718693756
Yeah. But Chara claims that determination was you.

>>718693771
>epic
Lol, I meant happy.

>>718693668
Thanks Anon. There are all sorts of neat little details tucked away on the web.

>>718693863
>i filled frisk with determination
heh, see you later, virgins

>>718693152
Why are you STILL here, then?

>>718692881
>>718692941
>>718693071
I got to ask from reading this, is Andrew Hussie gay? I'm getting gay vibes

>>718693847
He wanted to destroy his hometown. Nothing implied he saw the Underground as an acceptable sacrifice.

>>718693486
I'm being a little facetious but I'm also being honest. Deltarune promised me I could play dress up with my guy and failed me.

>>718693771
Correct. I am the epic fantasy fan. That's what I'm here for. That is what I value in my entertainment.
If Zelda did this, I'd never touch the series again.

>>718693687
A Persona 3 ending where Kris dies is very much possible. Either way, he's a troubled teenager seemingly being manipulated by adults. Does he really deserve death?

>>718693868
Don't need a happy ending. I played Deltarune on the Neutral Route because I don't want to recruit everything.

>>718693837
>Why does the game still expect you to play as Kris after seeing him directly betray the party?
The game can't put you in a slightly uncomfortable position at any point? Does the special little boy need special treatment? The fact that you're playing with an antagonistic force always with you is the concept of the game, it's what it makes it interesting. Kris is found out to have his own motivations which are different than yours and you have to work with the limitations of that.

>>718693994
Are you going to ignore every piece epic fantasy with morally grey protagonists or even deutaragonists. Is every evil twist in a JRPG automatically bad for you?

>>718693929
Me...

>>718693954
Didn't Andrew ship himself with Vriska?
I don't think someone gay would do that

>>718694109
Those who side with the Roaring Knight all deserve death. They are traitors to their own kind who heard the warnings and ignored them, to spread the life-consuming cancer that is the Dark Fountains.

>>718693863
It's unclear if Chara is talking directly to the player or just Frisk. Both work in the story.

>>718694215
IDK i'm only on act 1. The bit where he has one of his characters crush over matthew mchaney is pretty gay though

>>718694169
>Play Final Fantasy 4
>Cecil murders some mages
>keeps working for his obviously evil king.
Fucking Toby!

>>718693973
Asriel says it himself Chara's actions would cause another war. Extinction was what Chara planned.

>>718693068
this but with Jockington

>>718694282
I'm a fan of redemption arcs myself. To see someone having fallen deep into darkness, and at peril's edge be saved and make atonement, is deeply satisfying to me.

nerf the knight

>>718694308
It's very hard to imagine him speaking to Frisk, but fair enough.

What I'm getting from most of this is Deltarune fans hate themselves and want the game to be about how you're evil for playing it. /v/ anons who haven't played this, see this, and they think that's what the game is about. Am I getting that right?

>>718694406
Chara was like eight. I don't think he wanted to kill every human, just the once he knew back home. He simply didn't plan things out and had too much of a hateboner to reconsider his plan.

>>718694169
It's not "slightly uncomfortable". It is anything but slight. And most of those other stories don't have the reader/player as a separate character in the world.

>>718694563
>don't have the reader/player as a separate character in the world.
They do, actually.

>>718694554
Headcanon. Trying to justify as Chara being a little kid doesn't make sense when the games Toby was inspired by, Mother, had children plan genocides.

>>718694563
>It is anything but slight.
You're feeling SUPER icky, not just a normal amount! Are horror games too much for you too, because any scawy hurts your feewings?

>>718694502
No, that's not right. It's about pursuing your own motivations, whatever they may be, and seeing where they lead in this world and how characters react to you. The idea of "the player is evil" is routinely mocked here since you're clearly needed to stop the end of the world.

>>718682347 (OP)
Did people thought the soul is literally the player?

>>718694502
no
there's a bunch of pessimists who THINK the message is going to be that and are basically doing the gay faggot thing of "if I push it real hard I won't be disappointed when it happens"

>>718694685
I'm saying he didn't plan things out. Asriel never indicates he wanted to kill all humans.

>>718694724
Several anons in this very thread think so.

>>718694502
What I want is the epic fantasy rpg I was promised with chapter 1. I want the dignity most games give their players by not having this deranged player/player character development in the story. I want my vengeance, a character that will do what they're told the way I've been doing what I've been told.
>>718694431
And I am not. You do what Kris did, and there can be no peace anymore.

Last night I had a dream that I was playing Deltarune on an emulator, but this was also a version of the game with built-in fast-forward, so I tried to see what'd happen if I had the game's fast-forward and the emulator's fast-forward on at the same time, and it was during the SWORD route, so SWORD Kris went so fast that he was able to bust out of the side of the CRT I was playing on. I thought I was hallucinating, so I tried to poke him and he lightly pricked the tip of my finger

>>718694889
>You do what Kris did
Which is?

>>718682347 (OP)
then what the fuck AM I? am I Gaster?
>>718682523
based

>>718694872
Asriel literally mentions that she DID.

>>718694692
I mean, I don't play horror games, so...
>>718694662
Ok, then genius, let me rephrase that. I meant to say that they don't outright acknowledge the player/reader and spit on them.

>>718694979
When? One town is not all humans. Even starting a war doesn't have to mean genocide.

>>718694502
You can be evil but it's different from something like Spec Ops that you're not forced into it and you can back out of the evil route multiple times and still complete it

>>718694962
Dark. Fountain.

>>718694889
>I want a game to ASSERT my dignity at every point! I feel NAKED and AFRAID when a game doesn't AFFIRM me constantly! How DARE a game put me in a slightly uncomfortable position at any point!

>>718695070
>spit on them.
You're such a fucking little bitch man. There is not other way to communicate this. You're a little bitch. An actual fucking faggot.

>>718695159
>I turned my room into a wacky fantasy world
>This is a crime beyond redemption
Christ, never play Touhou or SMT.

>>718695159
You're such an awesome LARPer and lightbringer. You're such a cool guy, a massive hero. Feel any better now?

>>718695165
I'm not slightly uncomfortable. I'm aboslutely livid every time I think about it. This is the worst part of Deltarune, and I would never tell a story like this.

>>718695284
That's the point, you're put in a situation that's meant to make you slightly uncomfortable and you cry and whinge and hide in the corner like a pussy. You're a pussy, that's you.

>>718694443
even more?

>>718694923
I wish I had Deltarune dreams.
>Tamers
>>718695284
That's a queer type of autism. Maybe this storytelling method isn't for you. Most people acknowledge that the upcoming half of the game will provide some resolution for these plot threads.

>>718695351
What is "slightly" uncomfortable about the main character ignoring a direct order, and taking sides against the party and still carrying him around as if he didn't do that. No words for how dangerous this can be.

The rat can make another Fountain on a whim. There is nothing slight. It's a bomb waiting to be set off at any moment.

>>718695568
>No words for how dangerous this can be.
Lmfao man.

>>718695271
A little. I just wish the game had some of that.
>>718695441
You said that in 2021. It'll be too late to matter by then, as the damage has already been done.

>Twitter casually talking about Berdly going on a genocide route of his own
What would it be like?

>>718695776
An actual school shooting

This might be the funniest fucking Deltarune anon yet.

>>718695568
I think you're actually autistic. Not as in, casual use of the word autistic. But actually, literally diagnosed with autism. Your black and white thinking is just the most autistic fucking thing I've ever seen in these threads.
Presumablu, Kris and the other antagonistic characters are more grey in terms of morally, and have been put in a situation (hinted at being about Dess) where they feel they have to resort to extreme measures. This doesn't mean that they're good, or that the game is not going to acknowledge that this is not a good thing to do. The fact that they are risking the end of the world by doing this is very much an undercurrent of the game, waiting to be acknowledged.
>The rat can make another Fountain on a whim.
His pattern of behaviour clearly shows his intent is not to just casually make Dark Fountains at random for no reason. He has his own motivations for doing things.
You're genuinely schizoing out over the game not being based around a white and black morality where you always play as the cool superhero that kills off the bad guys (a teenager and a grieving mother).

>>718695776
>Susie under "mild"
Ok then
Berdly would blame others for not acknowledging him or for developing his potential, but instead of ribbing and mockery it would develop into full-fledged hatred where he would attempt to physically dominate others into praising him. He would become something of a tyrant.

>>718695075
When the last war almost caused one, it doesn't take a genius to think a new one might.

>>718693985
Fair enough, I guess. Can't argue with that.

>>718695776
>>What would it be like?
the girthening

>>718696190
Goodbye Deltarune High?
Beak Game

>>718695776
It wouldn't be anything selfish. For as puffed up as his ego is, when it comes right down to it the people around him are far more important. Look at how he drops the facade immediately on weird route when he realizes there's something terribly wrong going on with Noelle. His crashout would be waking up on weird route, realizing just how absolutely fucked Kris (and the player but he doesn't know that so he'll blame Kris) has treated everyone else, and go full blown Zenith Of Gamers on your ass.

>>718696201
>>718696201
And to add to this, just in case the anon is still here. The game is still setting its plot points, Kris is meant to be antagonistic in some way, but the fact you're not destroying him the moment this is revealed is your problem.
Any other story does this, is your favorite fantasy game evil because you're not immediately destryong the villain the moment he is revealed to be so?
Is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time evil because you need to collect the medals before being able to face Ganon?
>How DARE the game let Ganon destroy the world before letting me face him, how DARE this story let bad things happen in its world
It's autistic. You have arbitrarily selected what should happen in the story to fit your very limited brain.

Carol literally did nothing wrong and is the only good mother in the both games.

>>718696201
And where do I sit in the middle of all that? I'm not allowed to have an opinion on any of it?

This never happened in Undertale because Frisk and Chara were your perfect wives.

>>718697314
What are you, a Republican?

>>718695776
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT WHAT CUNTS ON TWITTER ARE DOING

>>718682347 (OP)
WHO GIVE A SHIT?
The main goal of this game is to kiss Susie before the credits roll

>>718697223
Let there be a conflict. Let me do something to resolve said conflict. Link would not do something as monumentally idiotic as, i dunno, hiding the Master Sword after pulling it out, and the game still expecting me to retrieve the Master Sword, despite the fact that Link can just hide it again.

>>718692757
Toby didn't write Homestuck and Hussy is a shit writer

>>718697409
>Amerishart immediately with Amerishart politics.

>>718682523
This, I want to see that tumbler world burn.

>>718686941
sadist

How come Undyne's sister didn't appear in the game yet?

Asriel is at college having sex with human men right now as we speak

>>718697259
You sit as an entity interacting in the world to accomplish some goal, but you have a limited amount of control over what you can do.
If the dark fountains are your biggest problem, it seems that the game is clearly giving you all the tools to close them. And the plot is slowly unveiling itself as to present those that created them to be doing wrong. Does the game really need you to be decapitating Kris the moment he is revealed to have created one for it to be good?
Reminder that Susie also created one, this is evil according to you. So we must decapitate her as well.

>>718697484
>Let me do something to resolve said conflict.
We're halfway through the game, the story is moving along. The plot is centered on finding the Knight who's also collaborating with the other person you see creating a Dark Fountain and putting a stop to their plans, though there are other plot threads that make this slightly more complicated.
You're seething because you have arbitrarily decided that 3 Temples should be enough to get into Ganon's Castle and that adding more than that is the game siding with Ganon and letting the world be destroyed.

>>718697820
*women.

>>718697475
TOBY DON'T FUCK THIS UP
You will literally immortalize yourself if this happens, they will write about you in history books!

Deltarune is a pro-apocalypse game. I can't believe Toby has sided with the apocalypse. Does Toby Fox want to bring an evil apocalypse into the real world!?

>>718697484
>Let there be a conflict. Let me do something to resolve said conflict.
You are, the conflict hasn't been resolved yet because the conflict isn't "someone exists who would open a dark fountain". The objective of Deltarune is not to seal the fountains.

>>718698076
Toby is EVIL.

>>718692214
It's just one of several layers of cope for dumbass pedophiles who got sentimental over masturbating to generic human children.
Like how conveniently WAY more of the game narration is or isn't written by "Chara" rather than Toby Fox if it can be used to pretend "Chara" isn't an omnicidal psychopath. Even though the resolution of the True Ending of the game is Asriel realizing The Fallen Human you name is long gone and you are someone else.

>>718698076
>Toby Fox is going to create a world where Andrew Hussie is his girly tomboy childhood friend who he sexually abuses

Some deep lore here.

I miss my partner.

>>718698472
I miss my humans. I miss them a lot.

>>718697878
I mean, King is sitting in a dungeon cell for siding with the Knight. Kris can join him. And Susie shouldn't be doing it either.
>>718697878
Why do I need to keep Kris to do that, though? Let him stay on the side of darkness where he belongs, and give me a new character for that. Nothing has been stopped that Kris could not do alone.

>>718683320
>people look at the Ch.2 tea text and the Ch.4 Holiday scene and still think that Susie isn't a December parallel
TOBY FINISH THE GOD DAMN GAME I NEED TO BE RIGHT ON THE INTERNET

Asriel can take 6 cocks up his ass at once

>>718698820
And with the 7th human cock he'll be unstoppable.

>>718693954
there's rumors of him taking estrogen right now so he's more likely a closeted "transbian"

>>718698628
>Why do I need to keep Kris to do that, though?
That's the conflict of the game, you're put in the limited position where you have to be with Kris to interact with the game's world. And Kris has his own motivations that are antagonistic but probably not directly evil.
The Goner Maker sequence clearly sets it up as some force stopping you from having your own character. This is just back to you being put in a claustrophobic and slightly uncomfortable position and whinging and crying and pissing your pants.
I genuinely recommend checking with a doctor to see if you're an undiagnosed autist.

Look at the expression:
>the road to hell is paved with good intentions
Your interpretation of the expression is:
>hell is good
You're retarded. You can't deal with grey morality in a piece of fiction because you're fucking autistic. Get treated.

>>718698628
>King is sitting in a dungeon cell for siding with the Knight
King is sitting in a dungeon cell for (visibly) trying to kill Lancer. Queen never went for lethal force against the heroes but was still trying to open fountains.
Do you think King's "real" crime was trying to stop you from sealing a fountain?
>Let him stay on the side of darkness where he belongs, and give me a new character for that
Why? Because you don't like that a character is able to work against you? Why is Kris special, why is he so much worse than King or Queen or Tenna for his contributions to pushing your goals back? Because the player character isn't supposed to do that?
Have you perhaps considered that your goal isn't to seal the fountains but to beat the game?

>>718694310
>He's never heard of a mancrush

Young people these days are so inundated with homo culture that they think having a favorite actor is gay.

>>718697913
Just read leaves of fall by oliver hart, it's got the same vibe as deltarune but without all the boring shit and it actually delivers the goods

>>718699413
Young people are absolutely fucked in the head nowadays.

>>718699413
>homo culture
Like this game? A game made by a millennial?

>The worms in my head won't shut the hell up.
>They keep telling me to absolutely fuckin' stupid on 'em.

>>718699413
Don't pretend like homestuck doesn't give off massive theatre kid vibes, those guys always end up sucking cock and the fact vivziepop is associated with it doesn't help

>>718700028
Homosuck is gay.

>>718699163
Because I can oppose King directly. Because I can oppose Queen directly. Because I can get Tenna scrapped and make sure he's gone for good. I see an antagonist and I want to oppose them. Play my role.

>beat the game
What do you suggest, I just float around not caring about anything that happens? Just accept the obvious threats as if they didnt happen?

>>718695776
Berdly is too much of a softie. On the other hand, I can totally see Rouxls Kaard having a Dr. Andonuts level meltdown where he fully drops the accent and instead of changing all the buttons to 'ACT' it's just a different slur each turn.

>>718700631
>I see an antagonist and I want to oppose them. Play my role.
Because you're autistic.

>>718700962
You ableist CHUD.

>>718700631
And I do think King's crime is siding with the Knight and allowing the Dark Fountain to exist. Its dangerous.

>>718700997
Because you're autistic.

>>718700962
You don't know that. I don't even know that.
>>718701057

>>718701132
You should check in with a doctor and get us updated next thread.
Knowing you're austistic will probably be a positive contribution to your life, and it will recontextualize and help with the troubles you have faced so far due to your condition that you never got help for. Genuinely.

>>718699903
Looks like my little brother wants to be part of the conversation too or something.

>>718700028
>Don't pretend that [cope]
You gave a reason why you think it's gay and said it's because Dave makes fun of John for having a crush on Matthew McConaughey. Which is just a bro being a bro and making fun of John for being a homo as a joke.
If you look at this and take it as serious confirmation or hint that John or Hussie are gay then you:
>Are stupid
>Have no friends
>Grew up in a time where gay people are such a protected class you can't even rib your friend for being a little fruity

>>718701321
>you're
Lmao. Maybe I'm the retard here.

>>718701415
???
The "you're" is correct there.

>>718701359
You're gay

what has this thread turned into

>>718701967
We're not friends you fucking faggot don't talk to me.

>>718702504
You must be really full of yourself if you think anyone here is trying to be friends with you, let alone me

>>718682523
He just like me
He just like me fr

>>718701321
I am able to function just fine in life. I'm allowed to have an opinion on my entertainment. I dont like this part of Deltarune's story, and I think it harms my enjoyment of the game, because if I think about it too long, it bleeds into every part of the game. All it can do is frustrate the player(me) and break immersion, nothing positive has been given to me in exchange.

>>718702869
>because if I think about it too long, it bleeds into every part of the game
autism

>>718702943
Is that not true? I think about how I'm not Kris, I have to realize that none of the characters are talking to me, they're talking to Kris. That every single interaction is for Kris and his friends, and not me, and I get nothing.

>>718702005
What playershit does to a thread.

>>718703260
It's a worthless concept. My favorite games never needed it to be good, and neither does Deltarune.

>>718702668
>
Sorry I can't really come up with a real zinger the thought of someone taking the friend bit so seriously made me laugh.

>>718700631
>I see an antagonist and I want to oppose them. Play my role.
And that is not the only way a game is meant to be played. Do you seethe about not being able to kill a character you know is going to betray the party when the party doesn't know that, in an RPG?
>"But they're evil, and they're here, so why can't I deal with them NOW?!"
The characters are not you.
>What do you suggest, I just float around not caring about anything that happens? Just accept the obvious threats as if they didnt happen?
Do your part by making the choices you can within the framework of the game. Play the game well and efficiently. Accept what you can control instead of whinging about what you can't. To me, complaining about Kris working against me makes as much sense as complaining about King fighting you. He has a goal that isn't the same as his party's, so what?

>>718703260
Playerfags are the worst, it's like solipsistic narcissism of the most pathetic kind

>>718703332
>>718703498
Stay strong, playerdeniers. We will win.

Actually the soul (you) is the good guy. (You) will posses susie and fight kris after he reveals his betrayal.

>>718703671
Proof?

>>718702869
Anon...

>>718697730
Juicy is already a hentai character

>>718703438
I would seethe if I'm expected to play as that character.
>Accept what you can control
And what would that be? Kris has gotten away with everything. Dark Fountain? Game still treats him as a hero. The shit with the codes? Straight to this ridiculous visual of using Susie as a lawnmower as if it didnt happen right in front of my eyes. As if he didnt just stab her in the back, insisting that everything that just happened was perfectly normal.

I am not a masochist, and my patience has been exhausted.

>>718682523
>I just want a rocks fall everyone dies moment
why. might as well just shut off the game

>>718703671
I don't want Susie. She's just as much of a traitor as Kris.

>>718683701
>you get absolutely fuck all choice wise.
that was explained literally in the intro when you make a vessel: your choices don't matter
why do you faggots have the memory of goldfish?

>>718704256
This ought to be a laugh. Why's that?

>>718704370
No shit, that doesn't mean the player is the soul, retard

>>718704256
She's not a traitor, but she is making Kris betray his childhood friend.

>>718704152
So true king. You're such a heroic lightbringer. If it was up to you these evildoers would be stuck in hell screaming.

>>718682347 (OP)
I would purposefully stay dark because they are not in my caste, and are not brahmin such as I.

>>718704769
Honestly if Dess is as freaky as Kris considering he models himself after her she'd probably go straight for throuple mode.

>>718704769
susie is a race traitor

Never played any of these game and don't know what they are about. Just wanted to fuck the characters like that tomboy lizard and goat

>>718705090
You've got the right idea

>>718698783
There is always the chance that toby dies and never finishes it. Same way how i got cucked out of a berserk ending after reading it for 20+ years.

>>718705256
Honestly I just want to draw porn of them. I don't really care that the game basically seems to be a who is and isn't home stuck sitcom

>>718704152
>I would seethe if I'm expected to play as that character.
Congratulations on realizing that it's a personal issue.
>And what would that be? Kris has gotten away with everything.
You have other fucking goals than "expose/stop Kris" that you've gotten in plenty of work towards. And Kris "getting away with" stuff still lets you seal the fountains and progress your knowledge, albeit mostly inadvertently.
>I am not a masochist, and my patience has been exhausted.
You should not need to be masochistic or patient to understand that when it doesn't respond to your inputs, it's not you, and just because the game isn't constantly playing creepy music and having Kris glare at you doesn't mean it thinks he's the good guy and thus that you're the bad guy.

deltarune fans are like evangelion fans in that they just make shit up on their own and pretend that's what the story was about

>>718705284
Toby already providing a solution in case that happens.

>>718704486
Simple. The final prophecy. She decides to derail it. No one asked my approval, nor did I even get to see it, but the game has the gall to expect me to feel anything towards it. If it involves her sacrifice, she selfish for ignoring it, and Tenna and Jack died for nothing.

>>718682523
Based
Genocide route in this game but it's just making everyone's lives shittier

>>718705284
Miura died because the stress of releasing a chapter every two months was too much for him. Because he spent 8 years doing nothing but playing Idolm@ster and jerking off all day. His heart literally exploded from the stress- look it up. Not a heart attack, the PRESSURE in his heart was so high that it exploded.

Meanwhile Toby spends literally every day fucking around while leaving all the work to everybody else. And he's living his stupid turning-japanese dream life. The only thing that could kill him is one of those Indian immigrants Christian (Jewish) organizations are shoveling into the country.

>>718705727
Genocide route but lame and gay

>>718695776
Didn't Susie nearly beat a little kid half to death? And I'm pretty sure Tenna imprisoned a bunch of teenagers in capsule toys and forced them to play his game by zapping them as punishment, but kept them alive enough to continue playing. And King was just attempting murder. If those are "mild" then I have to wonder just how insane the 2 higher tiers are.

>>718704851
See, this one gets it.

>>718705730
Toby really is that lazy?

>>718705727
I'd rather be able to kill of everyone

>>718705981
No, he just obviously spends a lot of time doing literally anything other than making Deltarune.

>>718705716
But I thought Tenna was the bad guy who deserved to go to jail and hell and get tortured for being evil? Why do you care about him now?
>No one asked my approval, nor did I even get to see it, but the game has the gall to expect me to feel anything towards it.
Though I kinda of agree with this criticism, but it has nothing to do with Susie's morality. I just think the game is delaying presenting its stakes in some cases and it leads to a lesser effect. Hopefully the final prophecy's content isn't just revealed right before it happens, that would be lame.

>>718705981
Yes.

>>718705935
That was me. Your autism is preventing you from seeing obvious sarcasm.

>>718705981
Probably? I heard his hands are too fucked to even play piano, so he might just be coding at a glacial pace.

>>718705919
>Didn't Susie nearly beat a little kid half to death?
The what? Kris is the only one she was ever targeting, everyone else just pussied out instantly in front of her. Even then she didn't go any farther than banging him against the lockers once.

Are you all trannies, women or zoomers?
I don't understand how anyone can enjoy these games and not understanding how bothers me.
t. 30 year old virgin white guy

>>718704512
the choices are yours though :^)

>>718705919
Not to mention at the start Susie was about to turn Kris into a LiveLeak post, and only didn't because his mother had been nice to her. If everyone she likes turns out to have seemingly betrayed her, she would be a force of nature.

>>718705839
Genocide Route but you get to watch people suffer is based, Genocide route in UT is lame because everyone just disappears. The only person left didn't give a fuck to begin with

>>718706306
Doesn't mean the soul is you

>>718706139
Maybe so. But Susie cares about Tenna, no? He can die for all I care, but you'd think that would mean something to her.

>>718706291
Undertale is 10 years old

>>718705919
>Didn't Susie nearly beat a little kid half to death?
Lancer is fine. Would have been fine even if she beat his face in.
Kris deserved being bashed against the locker. Little traitorous asshole.

>>718706291
If you're over 30 and a virgin like most of us, then you should understand the concept of "Persona" game with furries and well written NPC companions in a game with awesome music and whimsical adventures??

>>718706216
I meant the spade kid. Don't you remember that whole betrayal sequence? I don't blame you if you forgot, it was a bit cringe inducing.

>>718706216
I think he means Lancer but that was more life-or-death situation, at least in her mind. She knew Lancer would fold eventually.

>>718706515
>deltarune
>written anywhere near as good as persona

>>718705981
for a while there it really seemed like he was spending most of his time doing collabs with literally whos rather than working on the game
he also stalled the 3 + 4 release for nearly a year because of the nip translation and then the switch 2 launch

>>718706424
you literally complained that you get fuckall choices. I explained why
not sure why you're changing the topic

>>718706291
I'm a zoomer but only a couple years younger than you. Joel is older than you, I think, and is in love with these games. Don't be afraid of liking what's "childish."

>>718706291
Anthro waifus

>>718706451
He doesn't die though, he just gets a bit fucked up. AND Susie does care about that, I don't see why you think she doesn't.

>>718706654
I'm with vinny on the deltarune question

>>718706598
>>718706515
Yeah I have to agree with this guy. Persona still has people arguing over character motivations to this day, with Naoto and Kanji being the great pleb filters of our era.
I don't think DT will ever make a character as complex as either of them but it's at least fun to talk about.

>>718705284
Berserk died long before its author. Don't pretend Miura had some brilliant plan and wasn't just stalling for decades

>>718705919
To be honest she was attracted to him the moment she moved to this school. Her bullying him is like "guy pulls the hair of a girl he likes" as she is a tsundere bully girl not used to having friends and acting in a social way

>>718706729
You would be if you weren't on this Deltarune thread talking about Deltarune.

>>718706598
>persona
>written
>good

>>718706821
this thread is just another shit flinging thread, which all deltarune threads are

Never played any of these games are they good?

>>718706524
>>718706589
Oh, it's okay, he was a darkner and they don't count.

>>718706839
Yes lil zoomer that is correct

>>718706635
It's the whole subject of the thread

>>718706874
undertale is millennial writing cringe by toby fox
deltarune is based gen x writing by radiation

>>718706874
Yes. Play Undertale spoiler-free and if it appeals to you, try out the Deltarune demo.

>>718706737
I will never be more fucking mad than seeing Casca's magic spirit baby and then Miura's assistants "continuing his vision" with the chapter that completely fucking tosses away what would have been a bizarre, unexplained, poignant sort of ending and replaces it with:
>Yeah it was just Griffith and btw Griffith is redeemable (???)

>>718706993
Wait so they aren't written by the same person?

>>718705372
It was always a personal issue. Since 2021. My issue only got worse with the new chapters.
>other goals
Like what, stopping the Knight? Guess who serves said Knight and will stab his own friends in the back for them. Kris will not let me stop the Knight.
>doesn't mean it thinks he's the good guy and thus that you're the bad guy
No? Because the only thing I got from that episode in chapter 4 was absolute silence. The game does not care that this happened at all.

>>718706291
>I don't understand how anyone can enjoy these games and not understanding how bothers me.
better add autistic to the list

>>718706598
Susie is much better written and likable than any of the girls in Persona 4 who feels as deep as females in Sword Art Online. She has agency and you actually care if she fall for Noelle or Kris, unlike the anime weebs games where women only exist to only fall in you and you don't have to try

>>718682347 (OP)
Yes they are and we are going to literally bang the characters.

>>718706993
deltarune writing has the same cringe writing and 'comedy' (marvel humor

>>718707126
you probably don't even play anything other than deltatroonie faggot zoomie

>>718706684
Tenna and Jack died so that the Delta Warriors could proceed with their quest. Complete the prophecy. Only to back out at the last second like a coward.

>>718706905
also a cartoon character who is invincible. You forgot that part.

>>718707079
radiation is toby's old name when he was an edgelord teenager around when he made the halloween hack, iirc he had the dream that would eventually become deltarune a few years after that

>>718683538
>Noelle talking about the past implying Kris already was possessed by the soul and learned to pull it out, ever since he was much younger
>Carol knows the soul from before the events of the game
explain these.

>>718707129
>Yes they are and we are going to literally bang the characters.
...WHAT?

Reminder that Kris WILL impregnate Susie, Ralsei, every female member of the Holiday family, Caty, Undyne, Toriel, and every other girl with HIS human penis. No womb left unoccupied with HIS semen. No responsibilites left untaken.

>>718707407
different soul.

>>718706874
Undertale is like Hobbit. Character is a child so theres no romance, just Hope vs Despair and initially this was an original subversion of the RPG tropes where you suppose to kill monsters to XP, and instead you befriend them. Its like a giant bedtime story

Deltarune is a bit more mature. Game is about your teen MC protag and bunch of his school friends so the theme is more about "depression, broken household after divorce and past trauma over lost loved one" very similar to Omori but with more engaging and more hopefull theme of friendship and adventures with a bit of spice of romance if chapter 5 actually deliver. I believe Toby will deliver and Festival won't be dissapointing

>>718707480
Proof?

>>718707307
Susie's façade of confidence faced with the prophecy is not meant to be taken literally, she's clearly putting a front because she's afraid of its conclusion. She's not backing out of it either because she believes it is written in stone. AND her front is to believe that she can stop the sacrifice at the end while still completing the good it achieves. Your autism is preventing you from viewing characters' feelings outside of their most surface-level expression.

>>718707535
>toby will deliver
Implying it wont be Suselle and the player is forced to watch again.

>Deltarune is a bit more mature.
Until the new chapters

>>718706731
>Persona still has people arguing over character motivations to this day, with Naoto and Kanji being the great pleb filters of our era.
That's not a result of complex writing, that's just retarded illiterate fans. The "argument" is about things the characters in question have plainly stated but certain people just live in denial about it.
If you want a character people are still trying to figure out 10+ years later, how about this guy?

>>718707281
Bruh, I played Person 4 Golden. Also Neverwinter Nights 2, Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect trilogy. I know good companions and slop. Susie is like a combination of Mass Effect Garrus with Marle from Chrono Trigger

>>718707570
>the soul is explicitly confirmed to be (you)rs in undertale
>you've been explicitly invited to the world of deltarune
>you, and your soul, only become present at the start of the game.

>>718707535
>basically is a game about underage drama that belongs on tumblr/bluesky rather than /v/
makes sense

>>718707654
>Forced

>>718707813
>you, and your soul, only become present at the start of the game.
What if you start at Chapter 4 without a save file, the soul will have acted a standard set of choices without your presence in any way.

>>718707471
If Toby Fox and Temmie won't personally animate 6 hour KrisxSusie sex scene in the last scene of the game, its going to be a 8/10 game at best

>>718707813
That's Frisk's soul

>>718707895
no, thats kris doing it all because you're not present.
>>718707954
secondary.

>>718707813
>Invited
Interesting way to describe it.
>>718707831
Forced. That's the other part of the holiday house sequence I despise. Watching Noelle dyke out and the game expecting me to like it.

>>718684778
autists don’t interact with other human beings enough to understand the psychoanalytic assumptions built into this. but this comic illustrates it: you’re still “you” even though a guilty conscience can lead you to do things you’d rather not have done

>>718708036
>no, thats kris doing it all because you're not present.
Wow almost like the player is a non factor

>>718708036
So you admit that (my) presence is pretty much irrelevant?

>>718707654
I think Toby still self insert as Kris and make the story revolve around Kris. As an experienced eroge player, I think he understand that making him cuck who observe Suselle is not satsifying. He might add choice for this, but i think he will mostly give players, choices to change the main relationships. Especially for Krusie and Kriselle. There are lots of hints that suggest Noelle and Susie cares much more about Kris than about eachother.

>>718708036
If we start a default saveless Chapter 3, why would Kris rip off the soul, go back down and cut the tires, just to put it on again at the end of chapter 2, if he could've just done it all by himself?
If we start Chapter 5 without a save file, Kris would've still gone through the section where he fights the soul in the closet, even though he controls it all without the player's interference?

>>718707083
>It was always a personal issue. Since 2021.
Then why do you keep insisting that it's bad writing that needs to be changed?
>but what if Kris doesn't let me stop the knight?!?!?!
He'll let you stop the Knight when it's time for the Knight to be stopped. The fact that your player character is one of the elements working (partially) against you in this game is one of its unique elements. That doesn't mean that he's somehow delaying when you're "supposed" to accomplish things.
>No? Because the only thing I got from that episode in chapter 4 was absolute silence. The game does not care that this happened at all.
And that somehow means that it forgot that it was casting Kris in an antagonistic light minutes ago? Are you stupid? Do you think the story itself has ADHD?

>>718708087
>Interesting way to describe it.
thats literally what happened.
were you not around for SURVEY_PROGRAM when gaster took over the twitter?
>>718708169
>>718708182
ok none of you were around for SURVEY_PROGRAM got it
>>718708250
the soul is still present because its brought in during chapter 1, but you're not doing anything so kris has more control.

>>718706731
people's headcannons and conjecture =/= source material well-written

>>718708169
Because that's what it is. That anon who spoke of how stopping Kris wasnt my only goal. This whole.skipping chapters thing makes it look like I might as well not have goals at all.
My presence is irrelevant, and this is a Roleplaying game where I have no role.

>>718708087
Susie went there to distract Noelle so her boyfriend can snoop around. She's still loyal and didn't even need to hear that Kris is going to take her into festival, because it was so obvious she would go with him.

>>718708386
>ok none of you were around for SURVEY_PROGRAM got it
Holy shit bro this doesn't matter. This is like when fortnite had a star wars event that was supposed to tie into the dogshit trilogy

>>718708386
If Kris has more control while you're not there (by starting a saveless chapter 2 and so on), why does the story play out the same, presumably including the scenes where Kris fights against the soul?

>>718707813
then where did the previous one go? and whose was it? and why was it also inside Kris? why does Carol mistake one soul for another, even though as per you using Undertale as evidence, they all look noticeably different.

>>718708536
you have no idea what you missed.
i will entertain this conversation no longer, take the time to learn the lore or dont engage in lore discussions.

you all unironically need jesus, these metaphysical questions are far above your pay grades, the trinitarian doctrine answers all these questions so you can go about your day and leave genuine speculation to the professionals

>>718708649
>Engage in this bullshit that isn't even in the game to understand what I'm talking about
Fuck off

>>718706291
I am a heterosexual male that loves human pussy. This game is for us.

>>718708708
well yeah thats what im doing, you've proven that you dont care about the game's lore and yet are trying to argue about it.

>>718708478
The fact that the story plays out even if you're not playing it doesn't mean you don't have a role in it. If you start a save file a friend gave you in any other RPG, you're still playing the game, it's just that someone else played the game before you.
Just because the videogame story has a few set paths doesn't mean it's not a videogame story where the player doesn't matter.

>>718708662
The story literally has canon Christmas holiday. And main characters is called KRIS and nicknamed KRISMAS, basically being a stand in for Jesus.

>>718706874
Yes. Undertale is better but Deltarune is good, too.

>>718682347 (OP)
would you please consult the graphic

>>718708926
You are only saying it because Deltarune is literally 50% finished

>>718708802
Yeah and I'm telling you it's retarded for you to expect anyone to do that

>>718707757
Never underestimate the mind of a retarded tumblrite making up headcannons because they didn't like certain shit a character did

If the soul isn't (You) then that also means (You) aren't the angel

>>718682347 (OP)
hey troons, can you put the name of the game in the OP so I don't have to see your shitty generals? thanks

>>718708990
All soulfags look like this

I'm still wondering if what we're seeing is really what it was meant to be.

As in, was the timeline already compromised before the player ever arrives? There's no use in fussing over things like, "OH GASTER SET INTO MOTION EVERYTHING." But you know. Kris. The Knight. Was that always how it was meant to be? Is that how it always happened? Was Susie always Kris's friend and not Noelle?

Would the story just be a plain happy-go lucky teen fantasy novel if it was just Kris and Noelle obliviously going to dark worlds and fighting bad guys?

>>718708478
>I might as well not have goals at all
Now you're starting to get it. Your goal as a player is not something to be found within the game!

>>718709045
that doesn't mean that

>>718708323
So you admit that literally nothing in the game can be accomplished without Kris's approval.

Yes I think the story has ADHD. The tonal whiplash of the opening of chapter 2, Ralsei unlearning that kindness doesnt always win, Kris creating a Dark Fountain and still being treated as a Delta Warrior.

>>718709280
I don't think this is true.

Op are you a fucking retarded nigger? Make a better theory next time you actually monkey gigazoid. Who the fuck do you think flowey talks to? Who do you think Gaster talks to? Who the fuck is Kris ripping out? You Inbreds don’t deserve rights

>literally the only game I know of that spurs schizo headcannons and random bullshit about characters because they are made of tumblrite trannies who refuse to accept a characters actions
wow

>>718709280
What in God's name does that mean?

>>718709185
>Noelle and Kris's Dark world adventures
Dont tease me like that.

>>718709185
>Would the story just be a plain happy-go lucky teen fantasy novel if it was just Kris and Noelle obliviously going to dark worlds and fighting bad guys?
Obviously not. The prophecy clearly requires a regularly scheduled sacrifice to prolong the cycle of delaying end of the world.
Toby literally took linking the fire from Dark Souls, wholesale.

>>718707757
It's primarily why /v/ had 300 threads per day of deltarune because these niggers had to either ship characters that would never fucking love eachother or shit out their retarded theories. All this leading to jannies mass banning them because niggers here wouldn't shut up about retarded shit fuck this fanbase

>>718709339
ya it does

>>718709776
Probably the most deranged take I've seen.

>>718709874
Says the obsessed niggers who make a thread whenever there isn't one. Lol.

>>718709901
why would it mean that

>>718706731
nah pretty much just Maruki, Adachi is pretty simple to understand and P3 is more about the theme

I propose changing the subject to a less controversial one.

>>718710112
Are the rumors true?

>>718709976
because the soul is the one who displays all the hints for being the angel, not the player.

>>718710112
this is the sexiest noelle i've seen

>>718709959
>Says the obsessed niggers who make a thread whenever there isn't one. Lol.
Not making these threads at all nigger. Enjoy your rune threads getting raped by jannies because you had to post your tumblr shipping blog

I like schizo theories. I think they're fun and I enjoy writing about them. What now?

>>718710348
i like getting angry and feeling in control and will imagine you as a funny mspaint picture with its mouth open

>>718709503
>literally nothing in the game can be accomplished without Kris's approval
The amount that we can work against him seems to vary, but generally, the main objectives aren't going to be accomplished without Kris, no.
I expect part of the game's conflict to be dealing with this. Likely by figuring out what he's trying to do and if it can be done less destructively to make him comply, or by forging a bond with someone else and jumping ship. This is just another obstacle in the path of the plot, I don't see it any differently from the fucking thrash machine, it's a plot device.
>Yes I think the story has ADHD
Then you're arguing from a faulty viewpoint to begin with. You're expecting the story to constantly reaffirm how you're "supposed" to feel about any given character or setting. That's fucking children's book writing, at best.
>The tonal whiplash of the opening of chapter 2
What, the game establishing harmlessly that much of what Kris goes out and does on his own is for pleasure and it's not all sinister plotting and trying to do things that would be horrible for you?
>Ralsei unlearning that kindness doesnt always win
He does?
>Kris creating a Dark Fountain and still being treated as a Delta Warrior
Define "being treated as a Delta Warrior". The "meet up & pose" scenes get way more tense as Kris's intentions get more questionable, even if it's not because the other characters suspect him. Do you want the game to stop using any sort of heroic fanfare for him at all? Maybe ban him from striking cool poses?

>>718707813
>>the soul is explicitly confirmed to be (you)rs in undertale
The SOUL in Undertale is just Frisk's. Deltarune fans forgot how Souls work, confirmed.

>>718710442
Fair enough. Not a horrible hobby considering what people get into nowadays.

>>718709045
No shit. Angel Player is retarded.

>>718709621
>Who the fuck do you think flowey talks to?
Chara? The character he quotes the name of in his speech?
>Who do you think Gaster talks to? Who the fuck is Kris ripping out?
The SOUL.

>>718710465
>Having not shit story tone and tonal whiplash is "children's book writing" at best
LMAO

>>718709667
Your goals for a game should not be something the game can revoke from you. If something that happens in the story undoes your goal as a player, your goal was wrong. Don't let your goal be something so entangled with the game that the game has the power to undo it.

The souls is me. Not me as in "the player" but literally me. Everytime someone opens the game I have to manually enact the inputs for the soul in cutscenes, I do this for literally every player that has ever played the game, and I've been doing it since 2018.
It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it.

>>718709019
the survey_program days are arguably the most important thing regarding "player = soul"

>>718682347 (OP)
nope
I did that!
I'm the player!
I'm the soul!

>>718710814
This is retarded and arbitrary. Does this apply to any plot element in a story that makes the journey harder for the player character? Does it apply to any gameplay element that does the same thing? Is a difficult boss inherently bad for you?

>>718710825
>This nigger got to personally rape Noelle

YOU FUCKER I'LL KILL YOU.

>>718709621
>You inbreds don't deserve rights
All this because the possibility of not being a character in the game. Holy fucking self absorbed mental illness.

>>718710825
omg it's toby!!!!

>>718710769
>WHY THE FUCK DID SORCEROR MCEVIL WALK ON SCREEN WITHOUT THE GAME PLAYING EVIL MUSIC
>DID THE GAME FORGET HE'S EVIL???
>WOOOOW SUCH SHIT WRITING

>>718710825
flush it again

>>718710836
All the more reason to subvert expectations in that regard

>>718711023
Thanks for confirming to everyone that this game is really just for retards

>>718683008
You're a mong just like him from this reply alone, I swear all of you playing this shit have brain rot or something

>>718707535
wrong eyes and hair color for sunny

>>718710836
I was there and there was nothing different from today. Outside of Gaster's tweets, which people can still see.

>>718710936
>Is a difficult boss inherently bad for you?
... what? That's like the opposite of my entire point. Did you understand my post? The anon I was replying to seemed to struggle with the idea that an obstacle is an obstacle and he isn't obligated to some way the plot "should" play out just because of the form an obstacle takes. In this case, the obstacle is the player character not being solely and completely a player character under your control, and he believed that he was being robbed of his goals because that specific obstacle controlled how far away they are. I was trying to point out that all obstacles push goals further away and assigning this one special importance is arbitrary.

>>718707471
Kris has no penis

>>718684085
>people waste time sometimes
w o w

This might have been the most autistic Deltarune thread I have ever opened

>>718684085
>you're all just grown men
>ACTUALLY we're all just heckin monkeys on a rock in space, i'm so observant! tyrone please plow my wife now!

>>718713075
This might have been the most american post I have ever read.

>>718710465
So admit that there should be a jumping ship moment. There should have been a jumping ship moment already. The jumping ship should have happened at the Holiday House, because there can be no peace with Kris after that.
>He does?
Yes. The whole recruit system forcing you into pacifism.
>Define being treated as a Delta Warrior.
The posing,Kris going along with Tenna's games, the high-fiving Susie after getting an opportunity to look for clues about the Shelter codes.

>>718713218
>the high-fiving Susie after getting an opportunity to look for clues about the Shelter codes.
You're such a fucking idiot man. Are you ignoring the part where most of those things are him faking it to convince Susie, or being torn apart between being the hero and also being on the antagonists' side?

>>718713213
because i'm from the best fucking country in the world? and your post is the gayest one i've ever read

>>718713218
Lmfao

>>718713213
Is your inability to understand sarcasm a result of you being an esl? Or is that just the usual autism?

>>718713218
>So admit that there should be a jumping ship moment.
That's a last resort after the options of figuring out what he's up to and somehow making peace without doing that.
>there can be no peace with Kris after that.
Nah, there absolutely can.
>The whole recruit system forcing you into pacifism.
Who's forcing? Did you miss chapter 1 mocking the "ooooh but you HAAAAVE to be pacifist!!!" crowd relentlessly?
>the posing still counts even though its tone directly reflects how much Kris seems to be working against the party already
I can't begin to imagine your reasoning.

>>718713397
So he's a traitor. Aligned with you-know-who.
And of course, this makes me wonder? How am I supposed to feel about all this? Am I even allowed an opinion?

>the SOUL is fucking shit at piano
>is absolutely cracked on guitar
Hmm, really makes you think...

>>718713397
>where most of those things are him faking it to convince Susie
ah yes the part where kris practically bit a fucking chunk off of his hand just to not say something hurtful to her, what a conniving motherfucker am i right lads (YOU ARE RIGHT LAD)

dude if the soul turns out to not be the player and its definitive, all the soul = player fanart will be fucking felted

>>718713787
>How am I supposed to feel about all this? Am I even allowed an opinion?
Probably pretty complicated, because you've seen that while Kris is naturally weird and asocial, he's not mean or selfish, which makes the apparently destructive and selfish behaviors out of character. Which implies there's a significant motive. The player character knowing something the player doesn't, that they have to try and intuit without being directly shown or told, makes for a unique mystery.

>>718713709
I don't want peace with Kris. I want to put him where I put Tenna. In the ground.
I have no patience for traitors.

>>718712953
Welcome to a playershit thread.

>>718713787
You're allowed an opinion, it's just that your opinion is one dimensional and stupid. If a game doesn't allow me to kill my sidekicks because my opinion is to arbitrarily dislike them and think they deserve death is that game bad?

>>718713820
Read the second part of that sentence, don't just ignore the:
>or being torn apart between being the hero and also being on the antagonists' side
Obviously Kris is somewhat faking his presence on the Delta gang's side, but this is only one layer of his motivations.

>>718713901
More reason playershit must fail.

>>718714005
I'm sure at least one route will let that happen. But of course it'll probably still upset you because the game's tone won't be happy enough that the "traitor is dead".

>>718714119
that's what i'm saying
it would be so fucking funny please let it be true

What if it's same idea as Vangers? Soul is not the player, but soul is diegetically controlled by player, so there is no difference effectively.

>>718714078
It's not one dimensional. It's focused.

>>718714037
You're part of the autistic bunch, I'm part of the autistic bunch. You're arguing about specifics in a game and have come up with a name for the bad side in that argument that disagrees with you. Let me repeat it: You're part of the autistic bunch that makes this thread autistic.
But that's not a bad thing. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

>>718714078
>don't just ignore the
the specific example YOU used was implied to be fake even doe it wasn't thoughever

>>718714134
Nah. I'll be satisfied that I could finally do something about that rat. Say what you will. I don't play double trucies.

>>718714219
wrong, playerfags are wrong by virtue of being playerfags

>>718714217
>It's not one dimensional. It's focused.
Focused on what exactly? Your "objective"? Why is sealing fountains so worthy of focus that characters should be judged good or evil solely based on their stance on fountains?

>>718714217
No, anon, being incapable of understanding a character or person might be conflicted doesn't make you an epic hero in real life. It just proves you're autistic.

>>718714245
The specific example I posted used is implied to be faked, Kris high fives Susie when they decide to look for shelter codes even though Kris is directly working against Susie and (you) finding them.

Dess groomed kris

>>718714316
Who says you'll be the one to do it? I said you'd be able to set him up to die, not that you'd somehow pop out of his chest and do it yourself.
>n-no, I'm not responsible enough for it unless a character I control does it, I'm not responsible for the direction of the story!
Tough luck.

>>718714442
>Kris is directly working against Susie and (you) finding them.
And to elaborate, this doesn't mean Kris hates Susie or doesn't like his time hanging out with her, it doesn't mean that he doesn't care about her. Just there is a clear part of what he presents to her that he's faking, this is an evident part of his character by chapter 4.

>>718714432
Because Ralsei said so.
>When the LIGHT is subsumed by SHADOW
>When the FOUNTAINS fill the sky
>All will fall into CHAOS.
>The TITANS will take form from the FOUNTAINS
>And envelop the land in devastation.
Doesn't sound like anything pleasant.
And clinging to that is better than nothing. If I lose that. I have nothing to care about.
>>718714442
So be it. I'm autistic.

>>718714503
>Dess molested Kris
>Carol grooms Kris
>Noelle outright raped Kris
It's like the word "consent" does not exists in doe dictionary.

>>718714219
Player deniers are the least autistic people. We stay silent because we know Toby will prove us right.

>>718714875
>Because Ralsei said so.
Okay, let me rephrase. Why do you decide whether to dismiss characters as anything more than "EVIL" based on what Ralsei said alone? There's clearly more to it. Opening fountains can't solely lead to titans or Kris and the Knight wouldn't have any reason to be doing it. See how much more interesting stories are? You just need to look beyond that knee jerk reaction of "THEY DID THE EVIL THING BECAUSE... THEY'RE EVIL!"
>And clinging to that is better than nothing. If I lose that. I have nothing to care about.
If that's all you have, you never had anything to care about in the first place.
You are conflating character motivations with personal engagement and goals. You shouldn't be putting yourself on the level of a character in the story and worrying about bad things happening because "they're bad".

>>718714875
>Because Ralsei said so.
The same Ralsei who admitted he made shit up to make everything sound like a fun adventure?

>>718714216
what's the point of our control of kris being mediated through kris and then mediated again through a third party with no visible personality or impact on the plot

>>718715246
he didn't say that
there's stuff in his prophecy that isn't in the church dark world
i suspect neither is complete

>>718715570
Because Kris is able to have conflict with (you) through that third party. How else would you have Kris pull you out of controlling him if you didn't have the direct, visual and interactible indicator that is the soul? Doesn't the effect of him viscerally pulling the soul out and controlling himself not completely irrelevant if the soul is just someone else that is not related to you at all. Isn't the reveal of the conflict between you and Kris thrown aside if you're not the one controlling the soul at all. The game already presents a conflict between two different people trying to control someone, that being (you) and Kris controlling his body. Why would you need to shoehorn a different, third entity, that would only muddle this conflict?
It's also a way for the game to be meta without directly acknowledging the player and admitting everything is a videogame, it does so through the mechanics of it. Like how all the game's mechanics are in some way diagetic in Undertale.

>>718714875
Ralsei knows that both Kris and Susie have opened Dark Fountains and he doesn't think either of them are evil
Ralsei knows that Kris is a double agent working with The Knight, and he still likes Kris and wants to be friends with them
Ralsei understands better than anyone that they both have their circumstances and a part to play in this game, and he just wants to find the best outcome for everyone, even for Kris and The Knight if possible
>* Somehow, I thought we... had won... for a moment...
>* That... we would be able to end the battle... here and now...
>* ... you...
>* You were so brave... and yet...
>* In the end... our struggle...
>* It's only beginning, isn't it...?
>* ... Isn't it, Kris...?

>>718715231
>You shouldn't be putting yourself on the level of a character in the story and worrying about bad things happening because "they're bad"
It's called role-playing. Did it in Zelda, did it Dark Souls, did it in Chrono Trigger. Because that's how you get me to care...and more importantly, how you get your audience to care.
>You just need to look beyond that knee jerk reaction of "THEY DID THE EVIL THING BECAUSE... THEY'RE EVIL!"
Sometimes there is no other reason. No other reason other than that they are deranged and they hate life. If I should think that way towards the characters, why don't the characters think that way about me, eh?

>>718716043
You can roleplay and you can invest yourself without going full-ham autistic. That's what Deltarune is, an analysis between the player, their investment and the characters in the game. It does this by slightly subverting the position you as a player are put in the game.
>how you get your audience to care
Audience seems to care plenty.

>>718716043
Have you played Undertale?

>>718716174
>Audience seems to care plenty.
I was not smiling when Kris made a Dark Fountain in front of my face and got away with it.

>>718716043
>Sometimes there is no other reason.
That's true. But some other times there is a reason, this is one of those times. You have just arbitrarily chosen a point where you shut down your brain and are unable to ponder what that other reason is.

>>718716330
I have, why?

>>718716043
>Because that's how you get me to care...and more importantly, how you get your audience to care.
You're making up excuses to ignore the parts of the story you personally don't care about. Characters working against you have motives other than "obstruct the player" or "do evil shit". Playing Dark Souls or Chrono Trigger that way and insisting the game never once did anything to render that questionable is especially laughable.
>Sometimes there is no other reason. No other reason other than that they are deranged and they hate life.
And you think this is probable only because you are overly sensitive about this specific character's motives. Not because you have good reason to.

>>718716437
I was not smiling when Ganon conquered Hyrule Castle in front of my face and got away with it.

>>718691669
>Flowey puts Chara's name in quotations
Incorrect

>>718716615
>but every time ganon was on screen the game played scary music and he was laughing maniacally and sneering
>sometimes the game lets Kris be the center of a JOKE, it's like they FORGOT HE WAS DOING BAD THINGS

>>718695776
This list is pretty bad, among many other issues Susie is at least scary and Ralsei is probably walking nuke tier

>>718716621
Oh yeah. Flowey DOESN’T do that. That anon tricked me!

>>718716615
That's why it would be silly to make the player play as Ganon and use him to save Hyrule. A more heroic character would do. And that is the catalyst to get looking for the Sages.
For Kris? Nothing. No prompt in the narrative to go against him.
>>718716750
That too.
>>718716587
Yes, I personally don't care about this part of the story. At all. In fact, I think it makes the story worse, and it would be better for me to ignore it.
As for Souls or Chrono Trigger. They can have their motivations. It's not going to stop me from gutting them, though. I can worry about motivations after that.

>>718717151
>it would be silly to make the player play as Ganon and use him to save Hyrule
Only because that violates Ganon's characterization for no reason, not because the player is supposed to fundamentally hate Ganon no matter what he's doing.
>For Kris? Nothing. No prompt in the narrative to go against him.
You are going against him by trying to learn the shelter code, trying to seal the fountains, etcetera etcetera. Kris (controlled by you) is not receiving the credit from the game itself for doing things, you are.
>THE GAME FORGOT KRIS WAS
That was sarcasm you fucking retard. The point is that if you need a character to constantly be reinforcing how you're "supposed" to feel about them, you're expecting extremely flat writing.
>Yes, I personally don't care about this part of the story. At all. In fact, I think it makes the story worse, and it would be better for me to ignore it.
So flat writing makes the story better then, got it.
>As for Souls or Chrono Trigger. They can have their motivations. It's not going to stop me from gutting them, though. I can worry about motivations after that.
Oh, so you don't object to characters having motives that counter yours so long as you're allowed to kill them.
So basically you think there's some kind of meta set of rules for how certain types of characters are "allowed" to act against you, and you believe Kris violates those rules, and this makes the story worse.
Your idea of the rules is unfortunately wrong. All media sets its own rules.

>>718716525
If you have played Undertale and are familiar with Toby Fox's work, I don't know why you would approach Deltarune by limiting your perspective of the story to only what characters have been told or that any character "is evil because they're evil"
Deltarune is even more straightforward about the fact that You are part of the story and that the characters in the story know more about what's going on than You do and are even deliberately hiding information from You because they know that You are watching and listening. And I shouldn't have to explain how uninterested Toby Fox is in writing a flat one-dimensional villain with no real motivation or redeeming qualities.

>>718717997
>how uninterested Toby Fox is in writing a flat one-dimensional villain with no real motivation or redeeming qualities
Then explain Kris

>>718715942
oh sorry, misread your point

>>718718119
Kris is not a flat one-dimensional villain with no real motivation or redeeming qualities, done.

>>718718119
If you somehow missed that Kris has motives and redeeming qualities then you aren't even playing Deltarune anymore.

>>718718119
Do you think Kris has zero redeeming qualities?
Is your interpretation of the story that they're evil for no reason, and do not in any way feel conflicted about the situation they're in and their role in the story?

>>718717997
Talking to Chara in that picture btw.

>>718682523
Fippy Bippy

>>718718293
>>718718385
>Kris is not a flat one-dimensional villain
>wants to destroy the world
>tried to kill their mother
>killed their classmate
>raped their friend
>put me into trash can and kicked the shit out of me for no reason

>>718718585
So this is what happens to your perspective when you have absolutely no self awareness and just let your definition of "self" in the game drift around at random.

>B-BUT YOU CHOOSE EVERYTHING! THE INTERMISSION IS JUST A GAMEPLAY THING KRIS IS AWARE OF
nope, started my playthrough at chapter 4. will delete that SAVE and start at chapter 5 and so on. get fucked playerfags!

>>718718585
Correct
Wrong
Wrong
You did that
You did that
You deserved that

>>718718585
None of those claims are true but you wouldn't make them if you didn't already know they weren't true. You're just lying to get people to yell at you. What are we doing here?

>>718718752
that probably isn't diegetic

>>718718752
Yep, playerdeniers DOMINATED this thread, as usual.

>>718718896
Diegetic THIS
>deletes the game after chapter 6

>>718718896
>toby when i start a new save at chapter 7

>T-Toby I'm having trouble getting the sprites correct for the Kris and Noelle weird route scene... you know, THAT scene... could you help me?
>Sigh... Silly Temmie, of course I'll help!
>Really?!
>Yeah, so then, I'll be Kris.
>Y-Yes (OMG!)
>And Hussie will be Noelle!
>(Andrew Hussing enters the room jumping through the window)
>What
>Hello it's me andrew homestuck hussie
>(Toby then Proceeded to have sex with Hussie for 3 hours)
>(Barely able to stand, he asks Temmie) You got that?
>Yeah...

>>718695776
Kris only cares about Berdly being hospitalized because he was partially at fault of the cause. If Berdly got sent their through some accident not involving Kris, Kris would not give a shit.

>>718718896
It probably is. It's easier to assume that there is a default state of how the soul acts than there if for the soul being controlled by a third entity that would undermine the conflict you have with Kris.
Reminder that Gaster is interested in (you)r input. Not anybody else's. When you fight the Roaring Knight, Gaster is commentating on (you)r skill in beating the boss. It's not a third entity dodging those attacks.

playerdeniers have no argument against "someone might hear" and "Me" btw

>>718719308
It's intentional. (You) will never be canon.

>>718718796
Not that absolute sub70IQ retard who should unironically kill himself before he harms someone IRL, but there are hints in the game that Kris is not resisting (Your) evil actions anywhere near as much as he should've. I'd say the little fag has an evil side that's curious how doing despicable shit would feel like and doesn't have a good handle on it because of all the rest of his issues. Not all that dissimilar to Noelle actually.
But it makes literally zero narrative sense for him to be an actual villain. Anti-villain maybe.

>>718719530
>It's me, Chara
Boom! It's just the SOUL speaking like Chara. Already show in "My Castle Town"'s name.

>>718719663
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck i have NO argument against that...!

>>718719638
>But it makes literally zero narrative sense for him to be an actual villain.
I mean, he's an antagonist, and is obviously doing bad shit in some way. This doesn't mean that he is Satan incarnate though, obviously.

>>718716990
Susie could go either way, she'll either run off or commit murder. Ralsei is scary in a 'worried for him' way, lightners are safe. Carol's canonical crash out involves endangering reality itself.

>>718715017
Rudy was the only thing keeping them in check. The moment he stopped providing regular sex to the rest of his family, Kris was doomed.

Here I made you fags a diagram

It was rape DOE

>>718698076
He is, or at least was, a evangelical Christian.

>>718719753
Extremely common playerdenier W.

>>718719927
wow now that you mention it, undertale is kinda shitty

>>718719927
Flowey is talking to Chara. He says Chara's name even if you named them Chara. His speech only makes sense if he's talking to an old friend. 7/10 because the rest is accurate.

>>718705054
Nah.

Susie and Dess would realize they are both too similar and only one of them can take Kris's virginity.

>>718720323
Undertale would honestly be a lot worse if shit like >>718720352 is accurate.

>>718706815
I mean, if you actually look at Susie bullying Kris it's pretty self evident she likes the way he doesn't react at all no matter how much she pretends to be scary.

>>718706598
Persona is overrated compared to SMT anyway.

>>718720106
noelle the rape doe did force kris into unwanted sexual relations, yes

>>718720367
If Dess really wanted to take Kris' virginity then Kris no longer has virginity to take because she had plenty of opportunities to do so.

>>718709185
Kris, and possibly Carol, are most likely already fucking with the timeline. But, not realizing the sheer power of the forces they are dealing with, only help to bring it about quicker.

Besides, most likely, the prophecy requires blood.

>>718715946
Ralsei is a doormat though. He would go along with everybody.