Thread 718741415

>>718741415 (OP)
i want less graphically intensive games with better content
i want a game with the depth of ss13 and the replayability of barotrauma with the graphical fidelity of abiotic factor
and no i'm not kidding
i don't give a shit about hair looking realistic or light shining through a characters ears and glowing red
i really fucking don't give a shit

I hate this pivot to realistic graphics. If I wanted realistic graphics, I'll just get off the computer and look around me.

Who asked for this other than lazy devs?

>>718741415 (OP)
It's so funny to me how devs keep pushing ultra realistic graphics, yet can't be fucked to fix clipping issues or bad animation. Same when cyberpunk apparantly "fixed" the game, yet the npc animations still look like hot garbage. Fucking retards the lot of them.

>>718741415 (OP)
>20 fps loss for hair
who tf cares

>>718741415 (OP)
>2010
>Turn graphics down to low
>Everything turns into a potato

>2025
>Turn graphics down to low
>The game looks exactly the fucking same, but the performance has vastly improved

>>718742024
a hair loss if you will

>>718742280
>The game looks exactly the fucking same, but the performance has vastly improved

performance stays the same but shadows get shittier

>>718741415 (OP)
Which year the entire super mega realistic graphics faggotry started?

>>718742351
>Turn graphics settings down
>Performance gets worse

>>718741415 (OP)
So this makes the game good?

Popular but low graphic games like Controlled Substance, Minecraft, Abiotic Factor, Lethal Company, etc should be a message to developers to stop wasting time on stupid details. Even zoomers don't care if the game is good.

Make a good fucking game, got damn.

>>718741415 (OP)
And how does this improve the gameplay?

The people in the industry who keep pushing for next generation graphics in gaming should be arrested and I'm not joking.

>>718742525

I wouldn't doubt Nvidia cutting them some checks in the background for implementing their tech. Gotta keep the video cards selling.

>>718741415 (OP)
Why do they focus on the hair of characters when the game looks like PS3 slop?

>>718741504
>>718741507
>>718741523
>>718741717
>>718742024
>>718742280
>OLD = GOOD, NEW = BAD (for some reason)
if it were up to you, we wouldn't make a single leap in graphics ever.

>>718741415 (OP)
It looks exactly the same

>>718742713
Try better bait next time jaknigger

>>718741523
gpu manufacturers and shareholders

>>718741415 (OP)
RIGHT is AI and this is what's going to be standards for videogames. I suggest you GET USED TO IT.

>>718741415 (OP)
my hair"line" looks like this and i am 19

>>718741504
Basado grande

>>718741415 (OP)
So this is the new Hairworks or whatever? Witcher 3 used it and it lowered the FPS by 20-30.

>ITT: poorfag sour rape
u bitches wish ur game look this good go cope हाahahahah

>>718741415 (OP)
Who the fuck cares about such small details in a fucking video game?
Oh right, the goys.

>>718743016
>हा
your keyboard glitched pajeet

Frustratingly mind numbingly unnecessary feature that cuts your fps by half. But then again I never planned on playing this so why should I care.

>>718741415 (OP)
Videogame AI tech > graphics tech

>>718742793
you still replied, why would he get better bait?

>>718742713
looking forward to your next leap
off a tall building lmao

>>718741415 (OP)
How big will be the fps loss?

>>718743672
How does this affect the gameplay?

>>718743016
>>718743471
Samefag

>>718741523
I did because most of the time hairs are the worst looking part of character models.

>>718742473
Abiotic is optimized like absolute shit thoughbeit.

>>718741504
>depth of ss13 and the replayability of barotrauma with the graphical fidelity of abiotic factor
i want mommy with big bobby and big bunda and giant futa dong! that's how you sound dumbass.

>>718742713
>>OLD = GOOD, NEW = BAD
exactly, glad we can agree on that

>>718744486
how do slightly better looking hair affect gameplay?

>>718741504
I'm fine with going back to 6th gen graphics if it meant the games would be better

this looks pretty nice, although i'm wondering when they'll implement a local–global solver dedicated to the simulation of discrete elastic rods with coulomb friction. then it would look really good.

>>718741415 (OP)
>game called "the great circle" uses spheres for hair rendering
hehe

>>718741415 (OP)
another thing I'll never notice while playing a game.

>>718742713
hairworks is old tho

rajesh just work harder, some day you'll be able to afford a 5090

actually impressive stuff, wonder what the fps hit is

>>718741415 (OP)
RTX ON THIS!

If I wanted to see Norwood III I'd just look in the mirror for free instead of spending a thousand dollars on a GPU.

>>718741415 (OP)
>a different hair color
OH HUANG!! TAKE MY $2000 AND MY VIRGINITY!

>>718741415 (OP)
The only way this makes any sense is in VR, and that's because people will stop to notice, and details in VR can mean everything, even when the action is going.

>>718746170
but anon
penguins are hairless by default

honestly I'm all for stuff like this for story games
most character models have some ugly fucking hair or eyes that make characters look like shit
this can make story games actually good

>>718746639
>just buy a 3k gpu for a graphical improvement you'll notice for 5 seconds and never again!
>buy more AAA slop!
>JUST CONSUME!!!
no :)

>>718746871
Enjoy your GTX 970 with 4(3.5)GB VRAM.

>>718746927
i will thanks :)

>>718741717
Same thing came to my mind when they started pushing reflections and shit, they already had physix, in 2025 why can't characters wear long coats that don't clip, or when they make motions in a sweater why can't cloth materials fold and shit, instead everything everywhere still clips which matters more when lighting could already be faked really well. inb4 its for muh devs to speed up the process by not worrying much about lights.

>>718741415 (OP)
trianglebros... it's over...

>>718741504
Let it go. Game mechanics are dead in vidya. It's all empty gay nigger cinematics now. Embrace the board game.

>>718747497
there are plenty of games with great mechanics that came out recently though
just don't play AAA slop

super useful to be able to see individual hair strands. what would we do without that?

>>718741415 (OP)
this shit wouldn't be an issue if gpu arent over priced garbage

>>718741504
this
graphics are killing games

>>718742713
>we wouldn't make a single leap in graphics ever
that's already happening

>>718741504
Yeah but that's hard to do and requires actually manually writing icky code.
Making a model high poly and drag and dropping an 8K image over it that automatically bump-maps it for you using the game engines AI is easy and only requires pressing "Yes" on the pop-up when you do it.
Look at how pretty it looks! The marketing department and gentriatic shareholders will love it!

>invent stupid gimmick
>pay devs to implement it
>it runs like shit on amd cards
>amd catches up on the next generation
>invent another stupid gimmick

>>718741415 (OP)
What kind of hairline is that?

>>718748984
wh*te

>>718748984
Like a norwood 2 barely bleeding into a 3, but since it looks like there's no thinning in the middle or elsewhere it's what you'd call a natural "mature" or matured hairline. the luckiest of men get them where their hairline moves back a tiny bit then stops and remains the same thickness until late into their 60-80s. my grandfather is that way but I don't think I'll be so lucky

>>718748984
>line

>>718741717
>yet
There's no contradiction, the desire for ray tracing and similar techniques stems from devs not wanting to put in effort for lighting just like they don't want to put in effort animating or fixing clipping.

>>718748917
AMD beat them to it this time

>paying $1200 to play a tech demo that will STILL struggle with FPS
Is being a owner of a nvidia card the biggest form of cuckoldry in video gaming industry?

>>718741415 (OP)
Who even cares?

Good. I hate that hair is currently aliased or smudged mess in most games. Go big or go home.

>>718741415 (OP)
>lust provoking image

>>718741415 (OP)
Gaymers need RTXsloppa to simulate having hair because they are all BALD(ing).

>>718750146
Unfortunately GTAV doesn't seem safe from this. Not even youtube compression and their TAA is enough to fully blur the aliasing from her hair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQRLujxTm3c&t=96s

>>718741415 (OP)
>because hair strands are made of spheres, not layers of jagged pointy geometry at a microscopic level

This sounds silly.

>>718746639
>whale ignores the efficiency/accuracy problem and instead condemns people pointing it out as being poor and dumb because of it

This is why your health system is failing nowadays. People like you shouldn't have money.

>>718750146
Hair is usually aliased or smudged because full hair rendering is a performance nightmare for how little it produces visually. Imagine a fully rendered full head of wavy/curly hair with its own physics in every scene.

>>718741415 (OP)
is this really what game designers think we want? i mean it's understandable for a game like gta to push for realism, but i don't care about this shit in any other kind of game

>>718747139
Bhuddists deserve the rope.

i feel sorry for the people who never had reflections and shadows in their games before nvidia invented raytracing

>>718750573
Raytracing isn't even fucking realistic. It's essentially just another shit filter really.

>>718750606
Raytracing is a simulation of how light behaves. It's 10000x more realistic than abominations like screen-space effects.

>>718749862
Holy shit the feels. This game blew my mind in 2013 on me brand new $200 R9 290X

>>718742280
>turn graphics down to low
>performance doesn't change

>>718750673
>Raytracing is a simulation of how light behaves.
Which somehow works in an environment that is not full of:
>dust
>gases
>pathogens
>chaotic noise textures on solid objects
apparently.

>>718750291
I thought i was the only one who noticed that the GTA 6 trailer's hair on the character models looked like absolute garbage. And the Rockstars shills were like: it's just compression bro. But you can see it in the uncompressed images looking bad too.

I game at 720p without a dedicated gpu (8700g)

>>718742713
trvthnvke

nigga stfu

>>718741507
based anti-photorealism anon knows the truth

>>718752970
Sounds like a boring guy. Full simulation NY cab game would be awesome. Along many other things you can't feasibly do in real life.
Yeah, he wasn't boring, people are just using his words in areas that don't really apply. Like gaming.

>>718750701
Crazy how much value you got out of those compared to modern stuff.

>>718744753
sounds based

>>718741504
Retard normies and shitskins aren’t compelled to make purchases by gameplay so excruciatingly minuscule leaps in graphix is all we get

>>718741415 (OP)
Still looks worse than what we had 14 years ago

>>718747497
Modern board games are terrible because there's a thousand rules to remember.
Modern video games are terrible because they're simplified walking simulators.
The mediums need to switch around.

Fuck all this rtx shit, can (AAA) devs finally move to strand based hair? I know a few do, but it should be the industry standard.

>>718745843
That'll be 2 milliseconds per frame + tax

Please explain the appeal of this stuff? I'm never looking at cahracter hair in games because I'm not some faggot hair dresser. This obsession with 'realistic' graphics confounds me. Why? Go outside, no machine will ever match it. Style > Realism when it comes to graphics.

>>718756158
Because you can't showcase gameplay to investors in the same way you can showcase graphics. The former relies on an understanding on mechanics and subjectivity, the latter requires no prior knowledge and is entirely objective

>>718741504
you'd like killer7 if you haven't played it already.
games need more raw style rather than new technology in their visuals.

Call me blind but I just don't think there's that much of a difference

>>718756378
But its not about investors, right? It should be about the end user, in this case, gamers.

>>718756728
You'd think so, wouldn't you?

>>718753391
>Full simulation NY cab game would be awesome.
you wanna experience what it's like to work a dead end back breaking (or ass breaking) job in a big city?

>>718750291
they are using same engine from gta 4 whatdya expect

>>718741415 (OP)
rtx gay flaccid nigga.png

>>718741507
>real life
>realistic graphics

Actually, physics proves that it's full of bugs and glitches, which is literally how people manifested at all.
You'd think chemistry would react to any energy applied to it as soon as it's applied, but instead it only reacts when you reach specific thresholds. It's actually bizarre this happens, but it's part of the reason why we figured out the atomic and quantum models.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_energy

But think about it, water only boils after a specific temp (as a specific pressure that is).
To me, this is a game exploit. Real life is exploitable and buggy. How crazy is that?
It's not just mere noise and has quantization issues. Spooky.

>this is called "the devil" btw

>>real life
>>realistic graphics
>Actually, physics proves that it's full of bugs and glitches, which is literally how people manifested at all.
>You'd think chemistry would react to any energy applied to it as soon as it's applied, but instead it only reacts when you reach specific thresholds. It's actually bizarre this happens, but it's part of the reason why we figured out the atomic and quantum models.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_energy
>But think about it, water only boils after a specific temp (as a specific pressure that is).
>To me, this is a game exploit. Real life is exploitable and buggy. How crazy is that?
>It's not just mere noise and has quantization issues. Spooky.
>>this is called "the devil" btw

>>718759293
How is it buggy? You can stack a ton of weight onto a wheelbarrow and be fine, and then add an apple on top and it breaks. That's not a bug, it's just a weight limit

>>718741523
Me, I asked for it.

magnificent technology

>>718742280
>game looks exactly the fucking same
no way that's true, you will be running the game at like 10% resolution

>>718757607
your life must be challenging if every dude's head you see reminds you of a cock

>>718741415 (OP)
Norwood status?

>>718760396
>How is it buggy?
Because it has logic in it's functionality and activity, quantization and thresholds. Tangible boundaries where they shouldn't be. Logic tends to be brittle and create bugs.
This is actually why entropy actually exists and why the heat death of the universe is a theory. If it wasn't buggy - this wouldn't happen at all, it would be perfect singularity or uniform noise. Yet we see irregularities and boundaries. And, because of that, entropy and scarcity become a common hazard impacting the longevity of active phenomena in this universe. Our math should never have predicted anything this universe does if it were perfect, but instead we find it perfectly emulating this system we are in. There are definable ends of things in this universe and that is a bug in itself too along with entropy itself. This quality of being definable and quantized allows the universe to be modulated by us and itself.

Death almost seems to be a bug if you consider modularity an intended goal with this universe, not an intended feature other than to merely correct any modulation and return things to singularity/uniformity.
The universe is forever fighting itself just to exist. Entropy is just proof of the buggy nature of this universe and how it cannot make what it wants to make (or even understand what it wants to make). Nature is very poor at path finding. It's kinda dumb. Humans are not much better though, kek.

They need to optimize video games physics with ai. I can't stand all the pretty games with fuck all interaction.

>>718743672
RTW is so fucking KINO

>>718741504
I dont care about replayability, way too many games out there to play one over and over again. With that said i hate this proprietary bs.

>>718761484
But the world is what it is. If a system works a certain way, you can't describe it as buggy just because you can imagine it working a different way

https://youtu.be/A-RfHC91Ewc

Good graphics has its moments but most of the time I'm paying too much attention to the gameplay to notice irrelevant details.
It's like Nikke, I wanted to see jiggling butts but I have to pay attention to enemies instead.

>>718741415 (OP)
What does this add to the game?

>>718742713
Old=Good, New=Bad
Yes it is that simple you triplenigger

>>718763891
It will eventually lead to hyperrealistic 3D porn of Lara Croft,
Trust the process.

>>718763203
kek, love that clip.
>If a system works a certain way, you can't describe it as buggy just because you can imagine it working a different way
Good luck imagining it in a way unrestricted to this universe.
Your imagination utilizes the building blocks of this universe to sandbox with. In fact, that's probably why hallucinations are so bizarre. You're just reassembling them into a form that is uncanny when you hallucinate. When you hallucinate to the point where it's more real feeling - it's either a delusion or a mere idea about something. When you get pragmatic results from the idea, it becomes an innovation.

Language is not a mere pasta, but you can use pasta as an analogy often to make sense of it. Making "sense" of things is actually the core of the issue here. A tendency for things to fit into place and lock itself into manifesting. That is why things like activation energy levels exist. Without them, I doubt this "puzzle" could work at all. Try completing a puzzle out of playdo without something solid and fixed to work from - you could but it wouldn't be a sensible form. At least with the solid fixed point you can at least grow something from it with playdo.

There's a reason why things like solids, liquids and gases seemed to have form. Without those states and their unique properties and restraints, there would be nothing but a uniform noise of matter. I'd argue the universe's initial chaos naturally selected these forms into existence even. Assuming there was an initial uniform state (which I guess is still just a theory in science nowadays because it's quite hard to prove empirically without becoming rambling psuedo-philosophical nonsense like this post).

>>718764457
>It will eventually lead to hyperrealistic 3D porn of Lara Croft,
I wish, AI is way ahead of it already with realism emulation and it just comes off as shitty and uncanny in a different way.

>>718764641
Pro and cons.
3D lets you pose/animate and film it the exact way you want but is more labor intensive, while with an AI you just needs the right chanting words and hope the machine spirit spits out what you want.

>read up how the RTX hair is handled
>it's just the same fucking system AMD's tressFX used
>except now you need special RT cores for it instead of just....using the regular cores
No one in their sane mind plays a game in path tracing mode since it halves your framerate. The hair barely looks any different between the two either outside of "RTX off" looking like it wasn't shot with path tracing turned in (specular on hair is simplified)

>>718750467
>Imagine a fully rendered full head of wavy/curly hair with its own physics in every scene.
We still haven't figured out performant clothing physics, we're not getting proper hair flow without major assumptions made with hair just outright clipping through each other (TAA blur will make it harder to pinpoint surely!)

>>718765369
Nvidia wants to create a locked environment like Apple, and the fanboys are cheering them for it.

>>718741415 (OP)
show me what it looks like at native res with no TAA or AI smearing.

All this new technologies and powerful hardware and somehow graphics looks worse than 4 years ago?

>>718744753
>i want mommy with big bobby and big bunda and giant futa dong
i say this

>>718741415 (OP)
These idiots forgot what makes games good, which are not the goddamn hairs.
We will never have good games anymore...

>>718766070
Thankfully most people I know with decent 4000/5000 series cards play with the eye-candy shit off, because they all actually want the game running at 144hz without frame gen bullshit.

Nor do any of them turn the analytics shit off so nVidia KNOWS they're not playing with RTX-on.

>>718741415 (OP)
Modern game devs focus on this and serving up the latest unoptimised unreal engine goyslop rather than making actually enjoyable games. Indie is the only thing worth playing. Can’t think of any big game from the west that hasn’t been absolute dogshit for 10 years outside of maybe a few.

>>718766192
outsourcing development to 20 indian studios is hard okay

>>718741523
It's pretty obvious at this point, but for the ones who haven't noticed, hardware manufacturers are partnered with AAA and some AA video games companies in order to increase the demand of their products.

It's not a bad thing for indie and emulation enjoyers like me, since you guys are pushing the technology forward, and it's a necessary evil for hardware companies to keep improving their products in other areas, like AI or graphical design.

>>718741415 (OP)
I actually like this one.

Plastic waxy hair in games has always stood out like a sore thumb

>>718741504
Motherfuckers will type out shit like this and religiously purchase every new Rockstar game on release.

>>718766909
>It's pretty obvious at this point
It's been obvious ever since the DX11 tessellation kerfluffle and PhysX era. AMD doesn't give two shits about 'sponsoring' games to do tricks only their cards can do, because their cards don't have any special hardware to abuse that the opposition doesn't.

5090 owner here, just come to spit on this peasants.

>>718767107
>he says with frame-gen on and upscaling from 1080p

>>718767801
*spits*

>>718767051
Every time they shit on "the state of gaming" and then pre-order GTA VI for $70 just to watch NPCs T-pose on launch day and the radio stations play one licensed song on loop, I lose a neuron. Rockstar could sell them half a broken game with a coupon for the rest and they'd call it "immersive storytelling".

>>718741415 (OP)
>Improvements so good, that you have to zoom in to see them
BASED JEWVIDIA

>>718741415 (OP)
Looks good. The shit hair tech is something that has become really noticeable in games nowadays.
It was especially bad in E33 for example.

>>718741504
>SS13

>>718741415 (OP)
jewvidia really trotting out hairworks again with new fancy words

>>718741504
>i want less graphically intensive games with better content
The Nintendo Switch 2 is right there

RE9 has more impressive hair. Never seen anything like this in a game.

literally who cares. why do you people worship realism in games? go the fuck outside if thats what you want. most of your realistic games suck dick to play

>>718741507
>I hate this pivot to realistic graphics. If I wanted realistic graphics, I'll just get off the computer and look around me.
this. i do not like real life including how it looks

owning a nvidia card makes you a certified cuck

>>718741504
Just play boardgames then. Why are you playing a technologically intensive media if you hate technology so much? Just play an old boardgame by candlelight. Also stop using the internet.

you may not like it but this is what peak game graphics look like

>>718770640
>3 chrome browsers open
kek

>>718756728
>But its not about investors, right? It should be about the end user, in this case, gamers.
Lol. Lmao.

>>718770032
Yet it lacks in the better content category lol. Shit graphics and shit content. Only thing premium about it is the price tag lmao.

>>718741507
>pivot

>>718770640
DLSS4 is unironically incredible. Really can't imagine not having it. They finally made frame gen good and devs are learning how to use it.

>>718770909
I SURE LOVE EVERYTHING LOOKING BLURRY IN MOTION!

>>718741415 (OP)
how is this different to nvidia hairworks?
>need the latest $10000 rtx card
ohhhh...

>>718742615
>old good new bad
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
make up your mind

>>718770951
Things look way blurrier at 60-72 FPS than 120-144 hz with frame gen, so this argument is legit the most retarded thing imaginable. Yea, no shit real 120 is better, but frame gen is clearly better than 60 fps.

>>718771131
Things looked not-blurry before TAA reliance became a thing and temporal smearing became the widest problem in visual clarity in games. Quit buying into 'solutions' that they created the problem for in the first place.

>>718750395
>>because hair strands are made of spheres, not layers of jagged pointy geometry at a microscopic level
why are you making shit up

>>718741415 (OP)
SPHERICAL!

>>718771268
>don't use the feature on the GPU bro, just play at 60 fps literally no reason. That will stick it to the man. Just buy AMD's shittier Temu version and still play at 60 FPS! You can save $50!!!
no

>>718766909
>It's pretty obvious at this point
And it wasn't obvious 20 years ago when there was a big nvidia logo when you booted up a game?

>>718755473
>comparing the dark arts of American McGee™ to modern day pleb devs
thats not really fair now is it anon

>>718741415 (OP)
>we need to start charging more for games because the development costs are ballooning!

>>718741504
Pretty much, once we hit Xbox 360/PS3 tier graphics, I couldn't give a shit further than that

Nearly all games that push the envelope for graphics, are almost entirely bland over the shoulder, braindead enemy, bollocks

How did they do this in 2004?

>>718741415 (OP)
rtx already looked good when i played through it at launch this is gonna be pretty cool

>>718771715
based positive attitude anon

>>718770909
Yeah I know Doom The Dark Ages was ass but the new DLSS4 K model was really good. Good thing it works in some older games too now like Deep Rock. Looks like MSAA 8x with DLAA enabled if not even better.

2004

>>718772115
Fucking love me some vertex lighting. Shame it went out of style.

>>718770951
>I SURE LOVE EVERYTHING LOOKING BLURRY IN MOTION!
I don't play with TAA (the standard rendering mode of every 3d game nowadays) so I don't have the problem of everything looking blurry in motion.

>>718771879
The Talos Principle remake has such shit performance you need frame gen to reach 120+ FPS even on a 5080 at 1440p... it obviously shouldn't run that horribly but oh well. I rather put on frame gen than not.

Your response RTX chuds?

>>718770032
Switch 2 games are painfully mediocre.

>>718772115
Look up screen space reflections.

>>718772561
>Look up screen space reflections.
I'd rather not, thanks.

>>718772614
That's what I thought because you might learn about their limitations and why they aren't the same thing as ray tracing.

>>718744753
I say that besides the futa dong because I'm not a closeted homosexual

>>718742615
This is definitely with some settings fucked with. Even on console it's nowhere near this bad.

>>718772662
No I mean I know what they are and I hate them so I'd rather not look at them lol.

>>718741415 (OP)
>spheres
How does that even work? Isn't everything triangles in computer graphics?

>>718741415 (OP)
>still doing the LE GRAPHICS meme
>meanwhile the physics and model collisions are still clunky shit


Absolutely retarded

>>718743672
What's the first game, I just creamed my lands at the legionaries forming up so well.

>>718772857
There's a special type of Dunning Krueger in the people who shit on raytracing-related effects while also demanding that games should have more physics.
Stepping away from baked lighting is literally the #1 way to bring back games with proper physics.

>>718761182
Ray traced

>>718772919
Rome Total War

It's really fucked what's going on with GPU/gaming market right now.

I thought we had it bad with the mining craze, couldn't imagine that it would actually get worse.

>AI craze driving prices up.
>NVIDIA half assing it each new generation.
>AMD too expensive for what it offers (subpar set of features).
>Intel in deathbed.
>Both companies replacing raw power with AI.
>Developers relying too much on game engines, unoptimized games.
>Death of AAA. Games now cost 500 Milly to make.

Anyway. I'm playing OOT for the first time so I'm alright. My Summer Cart 64 arrives next week.

>>718741415 (OP)
My hairline... I feel represented... it's just like me fr fr thank you.

>>718741504

Correct and based and FPBP
Graphics technology plateau'd years ago. There is absolutely no point in investing in graphics anymore. Put all your resources into making the game mechanics better. Make every game play like an ImSim with total interactivity for every object including background scenery ones. That is the future of gaming.

PS. If you REALLY have to put more graphics in the juicer, put all of it in better breast and ass jiggle physics.

>>718767053
>DX11
I still remember Crytek blatantly locking features behind DX10 when they weren't DX10 features at all. you could enable them via console commands or a config file and they all worked just fine in DX9. and they ran better in DX9.
the sponsors behind this were nvidia for the 8000 generation of graphics cards and *potentially* Microsoft (to force gamers into Vista) although there was no MS logo or anything like that to confirm a sponsorship.

>>718772284
Both examples are blurred though. The problem is no one provides alternatives fallbacks. The assumption is using TAA, or layering an upscaling solution on top of it.

If I turn off TAA I get dithered garbage fucking everywhere.

>>718771641
vertex colours and prebaked lighting.
2 optimizations that modern devs are too stupid to use.

Should posting a gpuz screenshot be a hard requirement for posting in hardware and graphx threads?
If you have anything less than a 3090 or equivalent your opinion on this matter is worthless.

>>718767053
p.s. AMD absolutely did this in the past. don't you remember TressFX hair? it's even been posted ITT already.

>>718774917
>>718772561
>>718772229
It's actually path tracing. I keep posting rtx remix mods in these threads just to see how you retards will respond. I'm doing research on behalf of a DEI ultra gay modern developer

>>718772921
it could have been, but then devs realized that the way to optimize ray-tracing is also just preparing the BVH and not allowing too many run-time modifications to it. whoops.
face it, allowing things to move is always more expensive than locking everything down. no graphics technology is ever going to change this. the demand for physical interactivity has to be loud enough that devs prioritize it, else it's just never going to happen. and we have seen great successes like Minecraft so it's not like the precedent is missing. it's not like the Red Faction series' poor sales tanked the idea of including physics in games forever. publishers and maybe devs, too, just still believe that slightly better graphics sell more copies than massively better physics. and they may be correct.

>>718774917
Vertex colours are used for shader effects these days, not environment lighting. Especially on mobile hardware, it's usually used for masking elements of the model to be handled differently, and to reduce the texture overhead.

>>718753391
>Full simulation NY cab game would be awesome.
Then move to New York City and be a cab or Uber driver, moron.

>>718772115
Still doesn't exclude my comment about vertex lighting being dope.

>>718775169
Based, fuck these retards. They literally just want to be outraged, and don’t even know what the fuck they’re outraged about. Fucking idiots.

>>718775414
That looks way fucking worse lol, nice cope dumbass.

>>718741415 (OP)
Imagine the pubes.

>>718741504
>i want less graphically intensive games with better content
no, fuck you, I want the whole package for the same price and I want them optimized for my 10 years old PC. Specially from triple A companies that have the meanings to achieve both if they stopped being greedy

>>718769975
me on the middle right

>>718741504
you should be asking for both if you're expected to pay 70+ dollars for a game

>>718775917
they just have a 10 year old budget gpu and want it to run everything forever when that's never been the case in the history of gaming so they see anything that pushes the boundary of technology as bad

>>718776119
larger

>>718741415 (OP)
I'm not buying your goy merchandise so i can render hair better

just think about all the RTX PubicHair in porn gabes

>>718776876
>dude just type in the right numbers and the game looks and runs better no matter what
doesn't work that way. /v/ is an embarrassment. you cannot have games pushing the boundaries of grafix while at the same time not requiring better hardware. you can get better art directors, but the actual fidelity cannot improve without requiring you to get better hardware.

>>718741504
FPBP
Truth Nvke
/thread

>>718749862
Witcher 3 came out before this with Hairworks and that's why they tried to make TressFX but literally only two games used it.

>>718741504
Sour grapes
You're just too poor to afford a real PC and real games

>>718777861
2015 was actually after 2013, believe it or not.

>>718741415 (OP)
yeah, finna see dat norwood level 5 nigga as the devs intended

>>718749059
meds

>>718777861
The tomb raider reboot was either 2012 or 2013 tho

>>718777909
Oh I thought that was Rise. I guess I was wrong.

>>718777760
Yeah people with ass hardware assume the problem with optimization means a game doesn't run flawlessly on their 1050, when it's more like when a game looks like trash and runs like trash on modern hardware eg Monster Hunter Wilds

>>718777760
>you cannot have games pushing the boundaries of grafix while at the same time not requiring better hardware
in 2015, MGSV could run at it's highest visual settings on 2GB of VRAM
Is any new game Even TWICE the Visual Experience of this 10 year old game to justify needing thrice the resources?
Bad Developers = Bad performance

>>718778232
What's even more impressive is that they got it running on PS3 with 256MB, which was the version I played because I didn't want to wait for the PC port.

>>718778232
delta looks way better than mgsv wtf are you talking about?

>>718741507
>pivot to realistic graphics
You're third world or have the memory of a goldfish, "make the simulated world more real" has been a theme in gaming for longer than 99% of you have been alive.

>>718760859
most of the jeets here are still playing on 1080P monitors smeared in curry from ten years ago, it probably does look the same for them

>>718778232
MGSV didn't even really look good in 2015, very barren looking game.

>>718778232
>Is any new game Even TWICE the Visual Experience of this 10 year old game to justify needing thrice the resources?

Here's games that came out before MGSV and already looked 2x better.
Crysis (all of them)
Witcher 2 and 3
Tomb Raider/Rise of the Tomb raider
Metro 2033/Last Light
I think the deus ex reboot games were out by then
Batman Arkham City and Arkham Knight
Most of this list was on the ps3/360 too

is this game actually good, because i played it for a little bit and it was so fucking stupidly easy and boring that once i got to the museum or whatever and did the shit there i lost interest

>>718759560
Yeah. Redditors are cringe. I know.

>>718741504
>ss13
>depth
>barotrauma
>replayability
let's not get ahead of ourselves here

>>718770648
Nah he's right. Not every game needs to use a retro style, but you can crank out meaningful gameplay content a lot faster if you don't have to worry about everything being super high fidelity.
7th/8th gen assets with modern resolutions and triple digit framerates is really the sweet spot.

>>718741504
you are a minority

>>718778754
>once i got to the museum or whatever and did the shit there i lost interest
you mean you didn't even finish the tutorial?
regardless, if you quit so soon there's no point jumping back in. it's a solid game throughout so if you're filtered right away you're not going to suddenly love it if you keep playing.

>>718772921
>There's a special type of Dunning Krueger in the people who shit on raytracing-related effects while also demanding that games should have more physics.


Theres a special type of Dunning Krueger in the people who demand brute force computation in place of competent coding and optimization for things that have been possible without it for decades

What's happening is you have a lot of broke retards who got into PC gaming to be like their favorite streamer, or because they fell for that weird "its actually not as expensive as console haha!" meme from back in the day, so now they have this really lame, cheap PC that they built incorrectly themselves, and it can't run new releases well, so they:
A) decide every game is "optimized" poorly because they saw that word on youtube
and
B) they no longer care about graphical fidelity because they can't run it anyways

PC gaming has gotten so much bigger and so much more successful, but in the process it has lost everything that originally made PC gaming so much better and distinct from consoles. It being expensive and a little more complicated served as a natural gate keep, so you had a much higher concentration of gainfully employed adults who could actually read and think a little, which translated into the types of games you actually saw on PC. Now people in public housing have Steam accounts, and you see that reflected in the games too.

>>718742421
According to contrarian faggots here, yes.

>>718748867
these games are like classic paintings compared to modern photography. they use shit ton of handcrafted tricks to achieve the look while modern games render the final image on the fly

>>718741415 (OP)
No one
No one
No one wants this

>>718779747
right looks objectively better, why wouldn't you want that?

>>718775385
>>718756867
It's one thing to play something for a while vs. do something for a living for decades. It's something mundane that can still be fun. Because you have the freedom from consequences and interactivity vs. passively watching something fold out in real time.

Do I need to explain to you the difference of playing a flight simulator vs. watching a 2h real time footage of someone flying the same route?

>>718775414
i-Ninja was the tits back in the day

>>718779747
I want it. Hair looks terrible in games.

You just don't want it because you're poor.

>>718779294
>LE FILTERED
it was just boring you fucking nigger

>>718779747
I want it. It's also something they've been trying to do for a while, gameworks had hair back in the day e.g. witcher 3, AMD had TressFX, etc. This is an especially good solution because it can potentially apply seamlessly to older games.

Me on the right >;)

>>718742713
Nice jak you stupid ape nigger. Nothing you’ve posted on this website was ever good or accurate.

>>718779649
The issue is actually people who got into pcgaming from like 2014ish to 2020ish (and data would suggest there's a shitload of them)
As soon as Maxwell cards started coming out you could build a new pc that absolutely raped the consoles on the processor front and were marginally better on graphics, and it was only slightly more than a ps4/one, and thanks to an extended cross gen and period of pc games not having true ultra settings, these people got comfortable just putting game settings to max with an aging budget card and an i3 or r5 or something.
>>718779613
The reason games don't have physics is consoles. If you want these things it means games running at sub 30fps like they used to on gaystation and budget processors and we already know you faggots would throw a fit about that.
the lazy developer claim is fucking retarded. Go make your own game and show everyone whats possible if you really believe, with ai niggery it's never been easier to be an indie dev. You need no actual technical or art skills, just the drive to create (and a decent pc setup)

>>718780145
>gay flaccid nigga.png

>>718741415 (OP)
>WE USE CIRCLES NOW
>FOR PERFECT HAIR
This is what the technological achievements of video games boil down to since crysis. The absolute state of vidya.

>>718779649
I agree but PC gaming used to be a lot cheaper back in the day and the economy was a lot better too. Nowadays they sell you dogshit budget GPUs with worse performance than 2 generation old mid range cards for what was nearly a top of the line GPU back in the day. I bought a radeon 5870 for just a little more than a pile of e-waste like the rtx 5050 costs in todays age.

>>718742404
Kind of unironically in some RTX games. If you have a 5090 you will get better performance with Path Tracing + DLSS 4 Frame Gen than standard Ray Tracing without Frame Gen.

>>718780249
>the lazy developer claim is fucking retarded.
the point of videogames is interacting with a virtual environment, "physics" in games is kind of a misnomer which is largely referring to a more granular kind of interactivity
console games have chosen the path of making there be ltitle to no interactivity, no physics, putting all the processing power into graphics, because it is more cost effective, ie less work for more profit ie being lazy

>>718780309
>not being filled with blood is bad…BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK??!!

>>718780029
it's for indiana jones fans not whoever you are

>>718780249
>people who got into pcgaming from like 2014ish to 2020ish
I think that's fundamentally the same population I'm describing. People wanted the 'PC master race' idea that was built in the 90s forward, but couldn't afford it, so you have all these self-built budget boxes where the redditor had no idea what they were doing, they've got mismatched RAM sticks in the wrong slots with XMP turned off, they get a new GPU and then have a decade old CPU (hey guys my utilization is low, must be muh OPTIMIZATION!) and so on.

It's just different ways to say that PC gaming used to self-select for a certain upper crust, and now it doesn't, and that has more to do with things than some "new" focus on graphical fidelity. It's also why every other month there is some new release that /v/ swears is unplayable, yet I must be God's lucky gamer because it always runs fine for me.

>>718741523
I did>
t no hair

>>718780502
>hurr if you apply input delay and smears all over its better than the other shit without smears and input delay

you fucking moron

>>718744753
>(cool, high iq desire)! that's how you sound dumbass.
yes.

>>718741415 (OP)
>Performance hits for stuff no one is going to notice
So do you actually play the game or do you just jack yourself off playing photo mode?

>>718741415 (OP)
damn, this is going to change gaming forever.

>>718742421
It doesn't make the game bad, and all things being equal better visual fidelity makes it better, yes.

>>718781132
If you have a performance hit, why not just turn it off? Gaming can't stay frozen in time while we wait for you to save up enough from grandma's birthday money to upgrade your PC. I imagine you faggots watching the Half Life 2 E3 reveal, "oh wow facial animations THATS going to make the shooting better right!?!?!?! glark glark glark!"

>>718741415 (OP)
seems like the next couple of years will be the same

>>718780767
>input delay
Are you capable of telling the difference between like 30 and 35ms? The answer is no
>smear
That's fsr and lossless, DLSS the issue you'll see is kind of like ghosting or a double image if your base framerate is too low.

>>718781461
another symptom of normalfags flooding into pc gaming. asking them to go into the settings menu is like asking a 5 year old with down syndrome to build a working nuclear reactor.

>>718781502
That’s not a surprise, Biden ruined everything in 2020.

WHY ARE THEY DEVOTING TIME, MONEY AND RESOURCES INTO A FEATURE LITERALLY NOBODY WILL EVER EVEN NOTICE OUTSIDE OF TESTING
FUCK THIS INDUSTRY
CUNTS

>>718781594
/v/ sees a smear when using DLSS because it's meant to be run on a 4K monitor, but they're running it on 1080P and on performance mode, so they're trying to upscale a 144P image.

>>718741415 (OP)
So what's the point of this?

Are they just going to abandon it like other features as their card generations go on? They just abandoned PhysX with the 50 series leaving games with older PhysX versions to, at least, be left without PhysX capability and, at worst, be left in a nonfunctional state if there were no menu options to turn PhysX off.

I really don't understand. This isn't even their first "nvidia" feature they've abandoned, and I'm kind of sick of it. Some thing or another other cards don't have, that devs add into their game, and then it fucks up the game's functionality after Nvidia stop supporting it.

I'm really just fucking sick of nvidia at this point.

>>718781760
>So what's the point of this?
To improve visual quality.

>Are they just going to abandon it
Like RTX, it'll eventually be a native feature of Direct X and Vulkan.

>>718741415 (OP)
How does this service the gameplay?

>>718781735
>>718781760
>>718781881
Holy shit that other guy was right, it's like if hl2 revealed and people complained about the better facial animations and called it a pointless waste of time. PC gaming was not gatekept hard enough.

>>718781881
By creating a more realistic world, where inhabiting and moving about a more realistic world is part of the appeal for most consumers. If that isn't you, either for poverty or brain deficiency or whatever else, you'll always have Pong and Minecraft or whatever it is.

These faggot niggers who think the entire medium needs to be compressed down to Mario Party or something need to die, Jesus Christ.

I'd rather see whatever processing power goes into fucking individual hair strands into render distance of the environment instead.

>>718781842
Except when it doesn't become a native feature. That's the problem with their little projects. You never know what's going to get abandoned and what isn't. I don't believe them at this point. If it's still where they said it's going to be far down the road fine, but until then, fuck nvidia.

>>718781987
Shut the fuck up cunt they just abandoned one of their features that fucked over masses of old games. Half Life's facial animation have nothing to do with a specific feature of a specific card that's repeatedly abandoned features and fucked over games that used said features. You short term thinking dumb fucks need to go back to choking on nvidias cock because it's clear your mouths aren't good for anything else.

>>718782187
>Except when it doesn't become a native feature
Anything widely used does, PhysX included which runs fine on any half modern CPU, AMD GPUs, and everything else. And the idea that every game needs fifty years of forward compatibility is retarded, I can't launch VTMB without a special patch, there's all sorts of old DOS games that don't work, it's just the way life is. I honestly don't know if you guys are twelve and don't have the life experience to understand these things, or just fucking retards who ought to know better and still don't.

>>718782187
Physx going away was 32-bit CUDA software support being dropped. RTX uses dedicated RT hardware which has become standard at this point.

>>718778232
MGSV does not look that great, I have no idea why people have a boner for its graphics.

>>718782469
Same reason these threads exist, poorfaggotry.

>>718741415 (OP)
Robert Patrick if hair rtx

>>718782385
>I honestly don't know if you guys are twelve and don't have the life experience to understand these things, or just fucking retards who ought to know better and still don't.
casuals and various other normalfags who have never had to deal with trying to get an older pc game to run.

>>718741415 (OP)

>show mr whyatt mann having his crew cut looking realistic
>in reality tech will be used on nappy hair ngubus 99% of the time

>multiple strands falling out almost every day
Bros...

>>718750851
Monster Hunter Wilds

>>718741504
Those games are all strategy-like trash for fags.

>>718785389
>strands
you should only be worried if you're losing clumps

>>718750851
99% of the time this is a sign you built your PC wrong and thought games just ran on your GPU.

Hair and cloth are my favorite things to see improved in gaming.
Even for games with unrealistic graphics, better hair and cloth is such a noticeable thing.
I can stand the hair in the Mass Effect games. Shit looks like oily rubber

>>718741717
Clipping murders most high fidelity games bad, for sure. Seeing hair clip through clothing or body parts or items clip through objects murders realism.
Where's our full body inverse kinematics, lol.

>>718742713
Every single leap since 2007 was a negative one. Cope tranny.

>>718766192
TAA being an integrated part of the rendering pipeline is literally the work of Satan.

>>718741415 (OP)
...i hate nvidia for pushing crap like hairworks and dominating the gpu market but i hate amd even more that even right now they cant even pretend to put up a fight

>>718742024
Those shadows can be prebaked into the textures themselves. It's an absolute waste

>>718787830
And what happens if you go into a different part of the room or level where the lighting is different?

Did a game manage to top vtmb as far as facial animations go?

>>718781987
Facial animations do not tank your fps or require proprietary hardware to worn

>>718766192
>and somehow graphics looks worse than 4 years ago?
It's time to move on from 1080p anon.

>>718787918
Half Life 2. Basically any high fidelity game in the last several years. VTMB was expressive, not good. Watch how Smiling Jack unnaturally snaps between neutral to laughing to neutral in the tutorial, it's bad.

>>718787918
Basically every mocapped game from the last 5 years has better facial animations.

>>718787908
It should look when lit up evenly with the rest of the hair. If that doesn't work just have it prebaked for cutscenes or have a cutscene quality modem

>>718788265
It should look fine*

>>718788265
Well what's the purpose of all of that when it's cheaper and easier (and looks better) to just do something like in the op?
You won't be able to use rtx hair on anything that isn't blackwell where it'll probably be free, not like it hurts anyone.

>>718788458
It's cheaper and easier to use the right texturing and shading in the first place

>>718788054
Expressive is good

>>718788524
Devs have limited time, they can't tweak every little thing perfectly.
That's like 80% of why raytracing and pathtracing are being used by literally everyone going forward.

>>718788590
To a point.

>>718741415 (OP)
>njewdia once again uses the stolen hair magic to hold back competition

>>718788265
Any manager or engineer would now tell you it's a shit idea to just constantly stack flimsy tricks and cheap workarounds to make something work. It's better to just come up with a robust technology that simply illuminates hair properly based on detection of light in every situation, because that lets you actually make an interactive game instead of a cutscene simulator that can fall apart when a different path is taken.

>>718787991
>or require proprietary hardware to worn
good morning saar
bloody bastard game devs do not understand that my village cannot afford new graphic. i will never redeem the gpu!

>>718788619
>Devs have limited time
and yet they chose to spend 7-10 years of their life on a single project that's most likely flop or cancelled.

10 years some other profession is enough to retire and be set for life.

>>718788920
>a single project that's most likely flop
Cool broken english. Are you angry about your third world sweatshop not paying enough?

>>718788768
Any competent manager will tell you to to pay attention to budgets and focus on the important stuff so that the overall game will look and play better. These "tricks" are called optimization.

>>718788920
>10 years some other profession is enough to retire and be set for life
lmao, virtually no profession is like this, even an MD is just paying down debt at that point

>>718788768
>because that lets you actually make an interactive game instead of a cutscene simulator that can fall apart when a different path is taken
It's funny how often /v/ whines and cries about the technical advances that make it easier and cheaper to do the things they claim they want games to do.

>>718741415 (OP)
Wasn't this game mediocre and didn't do very well?
Why bother with this? Is it some kind of weird advertising?

>>718789283
>Any competent manager will tell you to to pay attention to budgets
Yes they will. So why waste budget and time on coming up with 100s of flimsy tricks when you can just use an illumination method that just does all of that and more? This is exactly why developers use raytracing instead of prebaking different types of textures into tufts of hair for each cutscene based on the lighting, it's much more efficient.

>>718789512
Retard

>>718741504
You’re spoiled for choice on that part so stop complaining when there are games that just want to push tech

>>718788920
>and yet they chose to spend 7-10 years of their life on a single project that's most likely flop or cancelled.
Well lets not act like that timeframe is typical, AAA games take a long time but not that.
We're just now getting games that were built around RT
>10 years to retire and be set for life
Beyond retarded unless you're talking moving to Mississippi and living in a shack eating rice and beans. Whatever idea was sold to you in a tiktok or wherever the hell you get this isn't real life.

>>718741504
you and everyone else bro

>>718777165
I've never bought a 70+ dollars game

>>718742024
>for hair
for lack of

>>718781356
>better visual fidelity makes it better, yes
I play text games
graphics are unimportant

>>718741415 (OP)
There are literally no difference between these pictures

>>718790630
Cool. I play real games, graphics are an important part of the greater whole. The experience of playing Shenmue for the first time will stick with me forever precisely because it pushed technical boundaries. That's no less valid than some inner-city type getting off to Fromsoft roll sims.

>>718790880
Yeah but Shenmue sucked

>>718790918
It didn't, but thankfully gaming was at the time big enough to support lots of games - people with souls could appreciate things like Shenmue, people with names like Tyquarius Greene could get a Playstation and play Crash Bandicoot or something. We didn't have people then who thought the solution to their poverty and increasingly shitty PC was to just hamstring the entire industry and compress everything down to a single homogenous, gay product.

>>718741717
nvidigoys

>>718741523
nvidigoys did

>>718789580
Good argument.

>>718791575
Glad you added the word 'did', really important stuff there Sanjay

>>718742713
>NOOOOOOO NEW IS GOOD NOT EVEN FINNA READ YOUR POST

>>718791717
Says the guy who thinks cpu and gpu budgets have anything to do money

>>718792037
You're not convincing anyone, leather javket man.

>>718792243
to do with money*

>>718791575
This screenshot aged terribly, Turing cards turned out to be a great buy thanks to DLSS becoming the norm and especially newer versions being backwards compatible all the way to Turing.

>>718791575
He was totally right too. 2080 and 2070 are still good cards for 1080p today, meanwhile 1080ti is super borderline and there's a growing number of games it literally can't even start.

>>718792635
>meanwhile 1080ti is super borderline and there's a growing number of games it literally can't even start
hence these threads every day

>>718741504
Fpbp, weird how common that is

>>718741415 (OP)
meanwhile my pupper hat has 300x the hairs

>>718792635
>growing number
like 1 or 2 that need a 4080+ to be enjoyable to begin with?

>>718741415 (OP)
Where do graphic fags come from? Why do they exist? Why are they so loud and obnoxious? Why are they so determined to try and make graphics more important that gameplay? Why can't they admit a game can look good while not rendering every individual hair follicle? Why are they so inept at recognizing quality art work? Why do they say every game looks like shit but can't name a single good looking game?
Why?
y?

>>718778862
I have 3k hours in Barotrauma just as the captain.

>>718793257
>Why are they so loud and obnoxious?
anti graphics fags have become way more obnoxious recently

>>718793235
>like 1 or 2 that need a 4080+ to be enjoyable to begin with?
Niggers would take you poorfags more seriously if everything you said wasn't based off of straight up lies/fantasy or exaggeration.

>>718793319
>recently

>Games either look hyper-realistic with real time pore mechanics
>Or smudgy, blurry ass low res textures stretched to 1080p and higher.
why can't game devs just make a crisp, visually clear game anymore?
DQ11 was one of the most gorgeous games I've ever seen and I think Akira Toriyama's art style is hideous.
The clarity, vibrancy and cleanness is next level. I literally don't need graphics to be any better than this.

>get 9800X3D and 5070 Ti
>try games with PT on
>they look fucking amazing

Cyberpunk with PT psycho vs no PT is like a different game. And shit runs at 100fps without framegen.

Just don't be poor.

>>718793585
Forgot to mention I'm trans and used dlss ultra performance

>>718793585
Your first problem is playing Cyberpunk

>>718793648
DLSS4 quality actually. Cry more faggot.

>>718793585
Cyberpunk at night with path tracing really is something special.

>>718793768
Lie more tranny

RTX hair is actually supposed to improve performance on Blackwell GPUs.

Will it rape AMD and older gens? Sure. That's what happens when you have 80% of the market and competition keeps shitting itself.

>>718789374
Yeah sure too bad it runs like shit when you can get nearly the same result without it while keeping the barrier of entry low.

>>718794108
Post specs.

>>718778335
you love eating shit I see

>>718794503
you're confusing art direction for visual fidelity because you're retarded. the bottom is not more technically complicated than the top because you think it looks nicer.

>>718748917
don't forget
>abandon stupid gimmick
>brick every game that used it

>>718741415 (OP)
>WE USE SPHERES INSTEAD OF TRIANGLES
>both pics look the same
>neither look like spheres nor triangles

>>718793957
A 5070ti would be this +25%-ish

>>718793957
>Intel

LMAO

is this the game where you're not allowed to kill the enemy attack dogs

>>718794653
I'll take art direction over extreme hyper-realism DLSS4 frame gen path-tracing RTX Hair™

>>718795028
why would you not want both?

>>718795028
You'll take whatever salvation army gives you.

>>718793957
>intel
>native

Kek Cyberpunk looks like trash in native it's not only less sharp but also unstable.

>>718793957
>>718794852
>>718794859
For reference here's what that looks like ingame with everything moving (and compressed into a shitty screenshot)
>Intel
With path tracing I don't think any of the k skus would hold back even a 5090

>>718794653
I'd say you are right but Delta models look like shit
compared to modern games and even MGSV. But it's alright cause it doesn't even require a beefy PC and costs like 30 bucks

>>718795209
Because hyper realism always looks ugly. It's also pointless, costly and takes away time and money from more important parts of game development.
Would you like a solid gold car, or one you can actually fucking drive?

>>718795410
CPU is actually really important in Cyberpunk. It affects 1% lows a lot.

>>718795541
>better grafix means realism
do you think that pixar movies could be rendered on a ps2 because they're not realistic?

>5070 ti
>720p card
lolling at these subhumans who boughted $1000 gpu to play at 720p 60 fps

LMAO

has a gpu generation ever been more deader on arrival?

>>718741415 (OP)
Holy fucking shit bros! Video gaming is saved! Finally!

>>718744486
Roman units move through each other more efficiently than Barbarian units, allowing for the standard Roman formation (multiple lines of heavy infantry) to be more effective than if the Barbarian factions try it

>>718795410
People think PT is just reflections, but it's also light and shadows. RT sometimes looks just barely better but PT is a game changer.

>>718795621
Most of /v/ probably does. They also think a realistic model takes three years of dev time.

>>718741415 (OP)
Shitty hair was my main complain with Red Rising 2

glad it's been solved

>>718795561
gaming's most realistic depiction of a troon

>>718795625
90-100fps as you can see in this thread. And 720p through DLSS4 looks better than native 1080p.

But keep coping.

>>718795828
gaming's most realistic depiction of a bathroom

>>718741504
just started playing Prey personally and that impressed me. i love older games from smaller studios like arcane. giving a rats ass about high def graphics, even to the point of hl:alyx's beer bottles, kys. honestly who gives a FUCK???????????

>>718795847
>lower resolution looks better than higher resolution
god damn /g/ is really leaking today

>>718762303
>optimize video games physics with ai
what would that entail?

>>718796049
Even HUB admitted recently that DLSS4 quality beats native. But you will never know with your 1050 used laptop.

>>718795621
I think you haven't been paying attention to the reply chain.

>>718796171
what you're yapping is physically and digitally impossible

>>718796171
Right

>>718796265
Retarded

>>718741415 (OP)
Im broke

>>718796198
i asked you why wouldn't you want better tech and art direction and then you said that realism is bad

>>718796265
You would know it's true if you actually had a card capable of DLSS4. Hell even FSR4 is getting close. In games with bad AA like Cyberpunk it looks much better than native. No more unstable holograms and edges either.

>>718795608
>CPU is actually really important in Cyberpunk
True but with current gpus in overdrive it's pretty rare it comes into play.
In regular or no rt the i5 is usually the limit even at 1440p.
>>718795625
>lolling at these subhumans who boughted $1000 gpu to play at 720p 60 fps
We're way past that point, with transformer even at 1080p quality dlss better than native.
I would take 1080p DLAA over native (not dlaa) 1440p universally, might even take it over native 4k on a case by case basis.
You need to update your script, you're roughly 5-7 years in the past.
>>718795720
Reflections were until recently easier to show off. Until we started seeing "Path Tracing" I thought that Metro EE and Quake 2 were by far the best example of RT in a game.

>>718796319
>seeking validation from retarded techtubers
>not thinking you are not retarded

>>718796753
>seeking validation
That's you. I use DLSS every day and see for myself that running it on quality is visibly better than native in most games. You're the one that needs youtuber shitters to teach you new words to repeat.

>>718796171
>native
you mean native with TAA
native using DLAA for AA is significantly better.

>>718797264
>posts a sharpening filter disguised as DLAA

>>718741415 (OP)
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>>718741415 (OP)
WHY DOES THIS MAN HAVE A COCK ON HIS HEAD!

>>718750673

in order to make the computation work in real time, teh game engine only uses like 10000 photons, (in real life there would be like trillion photons), so no it's not that realistic

>>718746170
Why did you post a sad depressed man?

>>718793585
>>718793882
cyberpunk just looks so bland and boring, i don't understand the graphics hype

>>718741415 (OP)
that'll be 50 fps plus tip

>>718794503
i can actually understand what's happening in the CHADmaster

>>718753391
>you can't feasibly become a NY cab driver
Anyways, the point is not that realistic graphics are bad, (though they can look pretty ugly in the hands of the beauty-hating subhumans that are common in the industry nowadays) but rather that no amount of realism can make up for a lack of fun gameplay.

>>718796192
Why do people think these screenshots are gotchas? They look disturbingly sterile and uncanny

>>718741504
Fpbp thread over

>>718741415 (OP)
but can it render fun?

>>718794653
Bottom is technically more refined even though the top uses newer technologies. The top looks like a scene from one of those WEGs that use 3d assets in place of illustrations. The sharpness and uniform texturization on the stones is eapecially distracting. The bottom is intentionally blurry and ephemeral to symbolize Boss's communication to the deceased.

>>718805263
see pic
Line must go up

>njudea gimpworks

all yours faggot

>>718741504
replayability of barotrauma

>>718741415 (OP)
can't wait to drop 50 fps for this

>>718741415 (OP)
This technology should be used for things people actually care about like realistic pubes.
RTX Pubic hair
RTX Bushes
RTX pits

>>718807065
*kneels down on the ground*
P o w e r f u l
*raises fist in the air*
*donates to BLM*

>>718793257
that anime screenshot is noticeably upscaled btw. i like the way 3d dreamcast games look a lot. shenmue, sonic, take your pick. but i don't like the gameplay of most of them.

>>718741415 (OP)
That's nice hair but why should I care? I won't notice it when playing

>>718741415 (OP)
This changed my life.

>>718742713
and it'd be a good thing, because it'll filter billions and leave the industry in better hands.

>>718780502
>you will get "better performance" with fake frames enabled than with fake frames disabled
well yeah no shit

>>718741415 (OP)
who the fucks wants this level of ""realism"" for a balding man...

>>718741504
based

>>718741415 (OP)
if only game devs gave a shit about game concepts a tenth of how they give a shit about fucking graphics