Thread 718811564

Nightreign with another a god tier boss

>>718811564 (OP)
how did we go from ornstein and smough to this

>nightreign
oh right that was a thing

>>718811564 (OP)
this whole game seems like such forced corporate slop

>>718811564 (OP)
I really don't get why Fromsoft made this instead of having two Elden Ring DLCs.
Instead they decided to butcher SotE's plot and pump this out.

>>718813315
Holy fuck you're so cool

>>718813315
Still has more active playercounts than your overrated ER

>>718811564 (OP)
What's the point of playing shit on purpose and posting it on the internet

>>718811564 (OP)
>i will surround myself with enemies. that way i can't miss

>>718811564 (OP)
>play game that is marketed as three-person coop
>decides to play solo anyway
>fights the boss that splits into three enemies (note: this means "one for each intended player")
>gets surrounded, clusterfucked, and dies alone
Poetry.

>>718811564 (OP)
I like it better than the rest of this recent batch but not by much, it's more or less the same fight but with like two new super moves and the damage on everything cranked up to oneshot levels. Better than "your build doesnt matter" Augur and "literally the same" Caligo and less of an RNG mess than "hope you don't get ranged clones" Libra but still feels lazy compared to Fulgur with his almost entirely different moveset.

>>718814027
Because FROM figured out finally that people will buy low effort garbage filled with reused assets that took 6 months to make. I expect more dogshit like this game going forward and maybe every 15 years we might get a decent game.

>>718811873
"It's so easy bro"
"It's just too easy"
etc. etc. etc. until From felt forced to make bosses like this.

>>718816064
nightreign is more fun than elden ring

>>718816106
No it really isnt

>>718815893
UH NOOO DUDE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLO AT SL1 DURING NG++++++++

>>718816145
it is

>>718816106
Maybe if Fortnite is your point of reference sure I can see why enjoying something that goes against everything Souls stands for from a design standpoint is better than the main series.

You did beat all bosses on your first try right?

>>718816106
>>718816145
Nightreign is great because all the content of elden ring is condensed
Everything you can do in nightreign you can do in elden ring, but it doesnt take 20 hours to get all the fun weapons/a good build.
You basically get an end game RNG-dumb-fun-build every ~30 minutes to fuck around with

>>718816106
It's literally just the worst parts of Elden Ring smashed into one.
It's the epitome of a kusoge.

>>718811564 (OP)
>tries to solo a boss meant for three players

>>718814027
Because the director of this game wanted to make this specific game.

>>718816290
"I hate RPGs and think RPGs are bad and Miyazaki is an idiot for inventing Demon's Souls" is literally what you just said, fuck you

>>718816106
I dunno if I'd call it "more fun" but it's definitely "as fun." Obviously I have shit expeditions like everyone else but it is really fun to make a 30-minute build to fight a boss.

>>718814027
Because Miyazaki wanted to do something else.

that's literally just odogaron, same moveset

>>718816385
You got quite a bit of stupid in you anon, make sure your caretaker is close at all times.

You can like both games and see positives in Elden Ring and Nightreign, not everything needs to be a "us vs them"

>>718816352
I'm sorry for having a life?
I'm not 13 any more, I don't have all day to hang around on Discord to 'hang with the bois' like you do. I have a full time job, I have a wife, I'm actively going through a divorce, and I have 2 little ones, not to mention I'm taking care of my aging parents.
I have at most and hour a day to sit down and RELAX. So what part of this boss and the bosses that came before allow me to relax? Why am I forced to play with strangers?

>>718811564 (OP)
Colossal skill issue

>>718816454
It's absolutely nothing like odogaron beyond both being dogs

>>718816385
souls games are barely rpgs, they are action games first
funny how nightreign removes the leveling up rpg aspect and adds specific mechanics for preset "builds" and the game gets more fun

>>718816507
You have more than quite a bit of stupid in you if you enjoy this low effort trash

>>718816064
>low effort garbage filled with reused assets that took 6 months to make
Bruh FromSoft has been doing this since the PSX era.

>>718811564 (OP)
Should roll more

>souls games are no longer about the immersive world journey and now its all about watching the boss carnival ability spam
ecelebs killed fromsoftware

>>718815893
Solo in Nightreign is significantly easier than co-op. The bosses have far less health and you get 3-4 guaranteed revives.

>>718816559
They're also terrible action games. The combat is nothing remarkable.

>>718816027
>Fulgur with his almost entirely different moveset.
What? He gets like three new moves and he loses his goo-arm moves.

>>718816558
not being able to associate closely related visual cues is a sign of autism. might want to get yourself checked

>>718816528
>has a life allegedly
>cannot find two bros to play the game with

>>718811564 (OP)
I have no response.

>>718816668
they're fun though

>>718816729
Thinking all dogs are the same is a sign of mental retardation, might want to get yourself euthanized

>>718816630
Its Elden Ring, different series.

>>718816805
>i know you are but what am i
concession accepted

>>718811873
CANCER AIDS

>>718816668
t. Halitosis

>>718816559
>and the game gets more fun
maybe you just don't like rpgs
the fun of elden ring is making a build and doing dungeons
nightreign just gives you a statblob character and makes you run around open world areas

>>718816558
>It's absolutely nothing like odogaron
Some of the moves seem very similar.

>>718816719
He loses the two or three goo arm moves and the ground spears and gains two sword combos and three ranged attacks, but considering his moveset is only like 7 or 8 moves total in either version swapping out 5 of them is a pretty big difference

>>718816528
>Spends the 1 hour he has trying to relax by banging his face against a boss designed for 3 people
Nigga you dumb.

>>718816528
Aww boo hoo, you decided to have a family and now you're blaming a game for you sucking at carving out time to enjoy it. Nigga you CHOSE. Live with it, the game wont cater to your whims. Go play some Farmville, sounds more your speed at the moment

>>718816918
Elden Ring is more fun if you change builds but that's limited since Larval Tears and top tier upgrade stones are a finite resource.

>>718816839
dark souls 3 started this dogshit trend of throwing you in an empty arena with an overtuned boss telling you "here, cope, rollslop and farm some clips"

Adel and Gladius are the only good Everdarks

>>718817023
sure, but if you're really feeling limited by that you can just cheat them in

>>718816630
Look at this thread, you have retards calling souls games trash and defending nightreign all at the same time. These worthless troglodytes are killing gaming. They probably watch twitch regularly

>>718816918
>the fun of elden ring is making a build
you mean putting stats into the same exact areas nightreign characters automatically do?
builds in souls games are nothing special, the numbers barely matter and they steer you in a specific direction anyway, softcap hp/stamina, level up whatever damage stat for what you're using, it's the same thing every time, it's barely an RPG
what is the functional difference being manually choosing the stats and nightreign characters? aside from elden ring builds having less mechanics to engage with

>>718815893
Solo is easy mode for babies

>>718817159
>you mean putting stats into the same exact areas nightreign characters automatically do?
no? There's way more builds in base elden ring than there are characters in nightreign

>>718811564 (OP)
The most annoying part of this boss is how much and how often it flips away out of range. It's designed around ranged options. Revenant is king for this one.

>>718817159
I like how to defend Nightreign you make up lies about Souls games and prove you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

>>718817210
explain in detail what mechanics you engage with by using these other builds

>>718816630
>>718817147
I enjoy the slow, cautious, strategic gameplay of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. I also enjoy the fast paced reaction-time action-focused combat of Elden Ring and Nightreign. They scratch different itches and they're both good.

>>718817390
you use different weapons ashes and spells, with some overlap
the same thing that you get in nightreign, but with more options and more customization

>>718811564 (OP)
average raidertard

>>718817169
3dog can be pretty fucked solo though. You can literally get stun locked from 100 to 0 if you get hit by the fire breath in his split phase since it stuns you for quite a while and they usually all use it one after the other. I don't know about darkie 3dog, but judging from the OP webm I assume it's pretty difficult to solo, since fighting multiple opponents at once is exactly what soloing is not good against.

>>718811873
Aww filthy casual crying?
Go play your babbysoul shit
Leave hardcorereign to us real gamers

>>718817324
Why would revenant be king and not recluse or ironeye who both do ranged better?

>>718817147
Nightreign is the cynical cashgrab slop that From has been teasing with making Demons Souls for the fifth time.

Elden Ring is already "open world Dark Souls 3". Thats all it is. The "dungeons" are all the same. Time wasting bullshit. Nightreign is beyond slop.

>>718817615
Dude I was seething so hard at a raider random I matched with. He was dual wielding 2 collosal holy weapons and had a marikas hammer in his inventory. I had zero holy weapons. I made peace that he wouldn't be smart enough to drop me the marika hammer even though he never used it once. What sent me up the wall is I dropped him the sacred scorpion charm to boost his holy damage because I literally had no way of doing holy damage. I fucking pinged and danced on that shit in the night tree for like 30 seconds. He just looks at it, turns around 360 degrees and walks away. Fucker had a red branch talisman that was so super important.

He immediately triple barred before the dogs even combined into 1. The marika hammer never came out. Fuck raider brainlets man. I'm out here running down the dogs with the shitty helphens steeple impotently poking because any longer attack animation they easily dodge the lack of any range.

>>718816106
Not at all.
>boss has specific weakness
>is unkillable without having weapons for that weakness
>no guarantee map spawns the weakness

You spend more time rerolling runs to get a couple camps with it than playing the game

>>718818024
>>is unkillable without having weapons for that weakness
lul

>>718816528
>he doesn't have the boys
that's pretty sad

Dogs are fun but when all three gank you, especially in the new phase, you just gotta pray sometimes.

>>718817898
Holy weakness for free staggers
S tier faith
Summons to draw aggro in 3 v X phase

>>718818123
Recluse also has S faith and everyone gets holy damage. Summons ain't drawing aggro for more than half a second. They can barely go toe to toe with most camp bosses, let alone a nightlord.

The trailer showed players jumping the chain against dog but I've never done that because of uneven terrain.

>>718811564 (OP)
Yeah that looks real fun. Not.

bitching about solo being too hard is pathetic, it's like intentionally playing a game on the highest difficulty and then begging the devs to make the game easier

>>718816593
>old-school dev sticks to their guns
>are massively successful

>>718811873
This is how.

>>718816528
I completely understand you, Anon. I've trying to play Sons of the Forest with the bros since May.

This whole thread is basically Nintentard' levels of batshit cope with dashes of "but my dick is ACTUALLY bigger" spice thrown in for good measure

git gud

>>718818314
Revenant ult > recluse ult
Revenant still has higher faith scaling
Day 1 and 2 don't matter at all. You can run any comp and reach nightlord at 15 easily or you're playing with retards.

>>718817113
Gladius sucks. More aoe shit with a poorly telegraphed gimmick

Gladius is the only boss that's harder in solo than MP except for the fact that you can get a bunch of revives.

>>718818643
I disagree. Unless your teammates are dying all the time and you're using your ult as a free 3 bar rez, Recluse's ult is far better.
Revenant also doesn't have better FAI scaling, they both have exactly the same scaling and both end up with 51 FAI at level 15.
I also never said anything about day 1 and 2.

>>718811564 (OP)
>>718811873
This is how:

>DeS, DS1, DS2
Level Difficulty: 10
Boss Difficulty: 5

>BB, DS3
Level Difficulty: 6
Boss Difficulty: 8

>Sekiro, ER
Level Difficulty: 4
Boss Difficulty: 10


As I have visualized with my very intelligent graph. The series transitioned from the difficulty being spread out evenly throughout the level design and mechanics, to being solely focused on just bosses. The actual levels are made easier and more braindead than ever in order to rush you to the boss.

This is why people still call games like ER and Sekiro easy despite them having the hardest bosses in the franchise. Because everything that isn't bosses is braindead easy and worse than past games.

>>718819174
Does this include Sekiro's mini-bosses because the mini-bosses were 100% way harder than the main bosses.

>>718818650
>telegraph
lol

Recluse's big chocolate boobs and Revenant's soft vanilla feet in my face at the same time

>>718811564 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO9_IszTYb0

>>718821951
and duchess?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0F_L1PU4ik

>>718822120
Duchess hotdogging against her white pants covered butt

>>718819004
>I disagree
Super. You're still completely wrong. Unconditional rezzes are the strongest ults in the game, full stop. Meanwhile, mana recovery outside shards does not matter vs Nightlords, which are the only challenging fights in the game, and the piddly amount of health you recover does nothing vs shit like Gladius that will do 90% of a squishy's life in one hit (both ultimates make you immune, so they're even in that regard). Also, Revenant can pull off some clutch revives by using her minions, but even as a one hit sacrifice they're still more useful than Recluse's ability, which is nearly always a waste of time if you have moonlight shards. Recluse has her advantages in terms of being more flexible, but she's strictly inferior if you ignore the magic half of her.

The best runs are the ones where all three members have a carry moment during the nightlord.

Imagine if it was randomly generated but not BRslop

>>718811564 (OP)
This dumb dog gives me more trouble than everdark libra did. I'm not even joking. I've beaten everdark libra, both with friends and randoms, but I still can't beat gladius no matter who I play with. I don't get it. He feels easier and yet he's kicking my ass way more. I'm convinced people are lying when they say this guy is easy. He's the hardest everdark by a large margin and I will not hear otherwise

>>718811564 (OP)
It's so funny how we went from ED Libra (actual nothingburger on solo mode) to this (fucking nightmare on solo mode during splits)
That being said... You didn't save your ult when you knew this was coming? You didn't run away knowing what this boss does? This clip screams "everdark tourist"

>>718823572
It only took me 3 tries to learn his tells and attacks and beat him. It took me 7 tries to beat Libra. Therefore, doggy is easier than Libra.

>>718813140
The right one is a purple. I would personally have hit 2 mines (no excuse when the top ones are surrounded by fields and gaols) but it's not a big deal
Unless you're saying maxed out blues/whites are bad, but that would just be a really silly opinion

>>718813140
it's a blue and a purple

>>718811564 (OP)
>boss version of spirit wolves

>>718823572
He has some bullshit attacks and hitboxes but once you can tell what's actually going on (ie when combos end and when they start) even if you aren't doing perfect dodges it makes a hell of a difference. I think most of these FS superbosses work like that. You just need to have some moveset knowledge and you can make up with estus trading and having a good build

this game is way too easy i can win with literal retards it doesn't matter at all, very disappointed
i didn't even play elden ring and most of the bosses died to me 1st try
i literally have never lost to half the bosses in the game
why are you all so weak that they have to make games this easy

>>718823572
Libra was just a gear check. Gladius is back to the usual rollslop where you learn the patterns or die.

>>718816528
>I've got a wife that I'm divorcing and two kids who need attention but I really want to play video games.
No wonder she's leaving you. In a better world you wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.

>>718823857
the only time it was remotely challenging was learning what all the random shit in this game does, then realizing most of it is useless because the modifiers and items are horribly imbalanced

>>718823572
Dog is not as hard as Libra but he IS the second hardest ED, since he hits like 3 trains and is far more aggressive than most of the bosses. He feels like ED Fulgor to me, where he'll feel impossible until you learn his moves and then it's more of a challenge to get to phase 3 than it is to win in phase 3.

>>718822587
Recluse's ult gives a free damage bonus, which is better any time you're paired with people who aren't constantly dying. Cocktail spells are also strong as fuck outside of 3magic or 3fire, contrary to what everyone seems to think. The good ones hit harder than rare spells and they're free.

>>718816418
>>718814027
iirc miyazaki either wasn't a part of this or wasn't the main director
I'd guess it was probably like ds2, where he wasn't a part of it and was working on the next big project

>>718824375
Miyazaki had a little bit of involvement in the beginning, but otherwise wasn't involved. The director is Junya Ishizaki who worked on many of the previous souls games as a level and combat designer. Part of the reason the game exists is Miyazaki wanted to give Ishizaki the chance to direct his own game.
There was an interview with him before the game released about all this.
https://www.ign.com/articles/elden-ring-nightreign-fromsoftware-game-director-explains-why-the-spin-off-exists-reveals-whether-george-r-r-martin-was-involved-and-why-fans-shouldnt-call-it-a-live-service

How long do you think they'll take to release everdark Heolstor? They didn't mention him in the new everdark cycle tweet so I'm guessing next week will be just a recycle of old ones.

I'm hoping Heolstor gets released soon and after his week we get DLC announcement news.

>>718827327
I'm guessing 3-4 weeks

I know this game is designed around a 3-player team but MAN fighting Triceph solo SUCKS
Like the regular phase where he has 3 heads is totally fine, but phase 1 and the phase 2 split-up SUUUUUCK. If you didn't bring your ult into phase 1 you're probably gonna be wasting 1-2 estus and a shitton of time chipping them down to activate phase 2
Phase 2 split is at least fucking timed so after about a minute they rejoin but that shit literally has the main dog off-screen covering the entire arena in fire while you dodge the absolute BLENDER of hitboxes from the other 2 dogs.

>>718815893
It's funny because every other boss in the game is insanely fucking easy solo. They downscaled the hp by a shitton, you get 3 GUARANTEED revives, a 4th if you get the town merchant. And you don't have to compromise on routing for your drooling retard teammates who insta-ping gaols and churches the moment you kill a boss

>>718811873
>Any and all criticism = gitt gudd xDDDD

depths when

>>718811564 (OP)
It's not meant to be solod, retard. It's perfect design for a multi fight

>>718816528
Nobody asked you to get a gf, get married, having kids and looking after your parents. It is all your choice. So you don't get to whine how busy you are.

>>718827851
this is going to be so ass. I don't know a single person actually excited for it.

>>718828124
I'm not even excited for the retarded mode, I just the duchess respect relic to FTH, magic is so boring and dogshit

>>718827851
I'm not excited/not playing this mode because there's no skins for reaching depth 5
RELICS AND MURK ARE NOT REAL REWARDS
If they confirm new skins I'll consider playing it

>>718828541
smashing humanoids into the ground with gavel of haima begs to differ

>>718816098
ornstein and smough are easy if you know what you are doing
But devs shouldn't just listen yo hardcore players

>>718811564 (OP)
So how would you rate the Everdarks so far?
For me it's
Adel > Fulghor > Gladius > Pest > Libra > Maris > Caligo

>>718831364
Fulghor, Gladius, Adel, Bugs, Libra, Maris, Caligo

>this is the state of nuFromsoft now
>Duskbloods is next
the live service shartsoft era... they really became Japanese Ubisoft lol

>>718815893
solo is literally easy mode, when you're red you're supposed to watch out for all of them and run

the webm is from a retard who doesn't even have gear for day 3

>>718816528
sounds like a skill issue to me

This boss is also hard for the reason that most randoms will not know about the one attack where the dog starts walking slowly with an aura and gains damage buffs when you hit him.

>>718831738
To be fair, I think it ought to have more visual indication. He pulls out the sword near instantly, and other than that he looks exactly the same as during the usual idle walk.

>>718827851
x2.95 means every boss category enemy is going to kill even the highest health character from full hp in one hit. I don't see how that's playable.

>>718813315
:))))))

>>718831861
3 Wylder comps are now meta because everyone needs the one-shot protection
OR
3 Recluse comps are now meta in order to dps the boss down as quickly as possible

>>718831861
>I don't see how that's playable.
your "dmg reduction after getting hit"/"dmg reduction at full hp" and "dmg reduction after successive attacks", bro?

>>718811564 (OP)
shitter can't dodge properly, can't time abilities properly, can't time his own attacks properly, gets rekt.

This is why I love FromSoftware and Team Ninja, they are the only developers that make proper games, when you fail, you get punished, good players get rewarded, bad players get punished :) Not to mention that FromSoftware and Team Ninja have the best animations and gameplay feel of all third-person melee combat focused games.

These games are not meant for you, you are not the target audience, go play casual games made for noobs and casuals.

I love Nightreign so much for filtering all the newcomers, noobs and casuals that Elden Ring brought in. Now that Miyazaki allows other directors to make games in FromSoftware, we will be getting even more amazing games. I can't wait for Sekiro 2 / Spiritual successor to Sekiro, without Miyazaki, it will be even more action focused and more challenging.

Life is good, Jesus is lord.

>>718816642
>>718817169
>>718818725
>>718827725
>>718831567
The solo nerf was a fucking mistake. The one and only time this studio offered an innately hard souls experience that doesn't require a trillion self-imposed challenges and they backpedal to casualized shit in less than a day. I won't deny that most nu-souls fans don't stand a chance without their free extra runes and 5 revives, but they still could've made these boosts optional AND at the cost of decreased rewards.

>>718832543
>FromSoftware and Team Ninja have the best animations
Nah that's ZZZ. This is the part where you seethe about this obvious fact

>>718832682
>ZZZ
First time I hear about this. I looked up some gameplay footage and did some research. It is free to play and made by the chinese, lol, hard pass from me. I don't buy/play/support korean or chinese games and developers, they lack creativity and their products are inferior to that of the Japanese.

>>718819174
Sekiro was actually good though, sekiro would have been eldenslop if they made you fight 3 isshin at the same time and they revive each other if you don't kill them all same time

>>718831861
60% dmg reduction at full health and you're good
still, that seems like a pretty extreme multiplier, maybe you'll have some adventages as well, like some additional passives, or maybe stronger relics

>>718814027
Nightreign was in production before SOTE

>>718832543
>Team Ninja have the best animations
This hasn't even been true since ninja gaiden 3 and yes I still enjoy their latest output. I don't know what happened to their animation team but they now mostly just look serviceable. Even platinumgames' new animations, while still okay, lack the kind of quality being put out in ng2 and ng3. The obliteration techniques in those games are unmatched

>>718814027
ER's entire plot is worse than nightreign's doetho
NR makes it more interesting tbaych
>>718816918
But the dungeons in ER are total ass outside of SotE
It sucks

>>718811564 (OP)
Of the everdarks, the only stinker is caligo, maybe augur, but the change of pace + the projectile parry plus big attacks make it fun. Entirely new moveset too.
Pest and Libra are the most mechamically involved and require team coordination and skill, and gladius is a speedy dance of death.
Jaw has a lot of spectacle and new patterns to watch out for that will end the run like double chomp that keeps you on edge, ans fulghor is honest kino, all new 3rd moveset.

Im shocked how much fresh content From has kept coming. Every week a totally new fight, if you don't like NR that's fine, but it IS a good game, sorry to say.

>>718832673
They should keep the free 1 revive vs each end of day boss, but they should remove all wending graces from solo. Maybe keep the day 3 merchant wending grace, so you have 2 revives in total vs the Nightlord fight.

As for the extra EXP, it wasn't that much, but a 50% nerf to the original buff would be a decent middle-ground.

>>718827851
is solo mode confirmed?

>>718811564 (OP)
it's not even a joke anymore, but i'm still laughing

>>718827851
>>718831861
the scaling apparently depends on the mob
and actually gets even worse for the nightlord lol

>>718811564 (OP)
Is everdark 3dog more aggressive even before it phase transitions compared to the original?

>>718814027
>I really don't get why Fromsoft made a incredibly profitable asset flip spinoff game

>>718841180
It's no longer on a time limit, so you can't just run away until they turn back into 1dog. Otherwise it's the same.

>>718816528
>doesn't have bitches to play games with him
yeah, me either

>>718811564 (OP)
Nice reddit repost, fag.

>>718841180
It doesn't feel like it, it's always been an aggressive cunt when split, probably because it tends to mark and go all on one person which feels totally contrary to how a boss that splits into multiples should work in a multiplayer fight.

>>718827979
Every boss is meant to be soloable. Plenty of streamers beat him first try on solo.

>>718840515
I remember seeing cursed gear/relics for this mode specifically, I would like to imagine that they give you enough new buffs to counter this because otherwise it might be dreadful.

>>718814027
this

So fucken stupid

>>718811564 (OP)
>small reskin of firedog from bloodborne
>reused moveset
lel

>>718811564 (OP)
this obviously isnt meant to be solo'd. its 3 people that solo 1 each.

>>718816162
In older games like DeS and DS1 you could.
Believe it or not even on higher NGs there wasn't a lot on oneshots unless you majorly fucked up.

>>718814027
How did the development of Nightreign impact SotE's plot?

>>718816528
>I don't have all day to hang around on Discord to 'hang with the bois' like you do
The game has matchmaking.

>Why am I forced to play with strangers?
You're not.

>>718832170
>40,000
>out of over 7 billion people on Earth

Holy shit that's pathetic.

>>718845606
>its 3 people that solo 1 each
Almost never works out that way for very long, what usually happens is
>each player aggros one dog
>five seconds later the sword dog marks one player, now it's 3v1 again anyway

>>718815893
>this means "one for each intended player"
The aggro is completely random. You can start the fight taking all the aggro if you're the first to run up to those three dogs if that's what you want but after a few seconds of that the dogs can change their target and it becomes a complete shitshow. This is why the "tank" class of the game is such a controversial character because even with passives like "less likely to be targeted" and "guarding attacks attracts aggro" it's still a dice toss as to who to the boss targets so people see the tank as a deadweight retard that holds block all day and deals no damage.

>>718831364
>>718831512
>mindbroken by frostbite THIS hard

>>718827851
It sounds so awful. I'll give it a few tries when it comes out and after that put the game down again and wait for new content.

>>718811564 (OP)
Everdark Gladius when?

>>718848286
Anon...

>>718848286
How about right now?

>>718848398
>>718848567
Oh fuck.

>>718848286
That IS Everdark Gladius.

Do we actually know how the fuck depths is going to work? Is it day 1 day 2 nightlord then the depth increases? Aint no way right? A single game is like 40mins long.

>>718849495
>Do we actually know
No, and anyone who claims otherwise is fibbing.

>>718811564 (OP)
>not starting the fight with ult

>>718811564 (OP)
>play actual coop game solo
>get mad when boss designed around coop dicks down your shitter build

>>718816528
>wife threatening divorce cause you cant solo a souls boss
Grim

>raider gets marika's hammer
>runs off and buys cipher pata from the merchant
>uses that against gladius instead for some reason
chinese players confuse the shit out of me. they know how to route and are usually decent during the run and then they make weird build decisions like this for the nightlord and do no damage.

>>718849710
pretty much this, should even take a few hits before killing the boss before the nightlord to have giga-punch

>>718816106
LOL, no. kys

>>718845773
That's not even the worst part. Half of those 40k are probably alt accounts or people who launched it once and dipped before the first cutscene finished. Devs spent five years hyping up a "genre-defining experience" only for the playerbase to vanish faster than Ardent's servers on patch day.

>>718847703
Base Caligo was the least fun fight, and everdark version remains the least fun one. Doesn't mean it's particularily hard, it's just not engaging to run around after a boss for half of the fight.

>>718850041
cipher pata does 100% holy damage, while marika's is split like 70/30 between physical and holy
considering the dog has like 35% vulnerability to holy, this was probably the right call, especially if he had some improved holy attack or improved affinity attack bonuses

>>718811564 (OP)
You are meant to runaway after he roars and prioritize dodges over damage

>>718816528
>I have a wife, I'm actively going through a divorce
LMAO

>>718811873
They catered to the brain dead "prepare to die" community instead of the side that enjoyed demon's puzzle fights; to be fair, you need an extremely high IQ to enjoy dragon god.

Would've been cool if Elden Ring had the night lords as secret fights after you dust the world.

I want them to make heolstors relic work with executors sword

>>718851098
I want them to make more relics.

>>718851213
I also want them to add more weapons

>>718850609
and it scales only S faith. a lvl 14 raider has 69 AR with it.

>>718823572
When someone tells you a boss is easy in this game 90% of the time what they mean is that they exclusively play with minmaxing sweats and end up with so much damage at the end of day 2 that they barely have to interact with the mechanics

>>718849495
my dad who works for fromsoftware knows

>>718851723
...Which confirms that the boss is indeed easy.

>>718851474
Huh. Nighreign changed all melee weapons to have more physical based scaling, like the golden order sword or stuff like bastard's stars, but it seems they left cipher pata unchanged for some reason.

>>718811873
Because the core fanbase will play these game until every boss is trivial so they feel like they have to up the ante with every new release so it won't feel too easy for them

>>718851769
Why are they so fleshy?

>>718851834
It becomes a meaningless statement when it applies to every boss. It'd be more accurate to say that the game is easy.
A boss is only easy if you can easily beat it while underleveled and undergeared.

>>718851769
Cool. I thought that the day 1 and day 2 are way too easy, and the only challenge every run is just the nightlord. I kind of like the idea of the runs themselves being harder overall, thought 3x nightlord damage seems insanely overtuned

>>718851769
>haligtree envoys

>people LUL GAMES EASY while posting sheet after sheet of victories
>everdark libra releases
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>HES CHEATING
>MY TEAM IS SHIT
>THE IFRAMES
>NERFFFFFF ITTTTT
>nobody posting victory sheets anymore
How can one boss be so based?

reminder that the dlc characters already partially leaked

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1L9bFzEEk8/

jewgle translate
>In the new patch file of Night Ring, you can find some elements that may be implemented in the next major update or the end-of-year DLC: a new terrain, including blood monsters, spider scorpions, tortured old men, Messermo soldiers, spirit fire dragons and other enemies from the Shadow of the Erdtree; two new Nightfarers - "Scholar" and "Funeral House" (funeral undertaker), whose corresponding internal names are "HERO_BUFFER" and "HERO_ATTACKER" (for reference, the eight Nightfarers in the main game have similar internal names, with suffixes of "balance", "tank", "shooter", "speed", "power", "necromancer", "magic" and "technical", you can guess who they correspond to); the scholar's main weapon is a rapier, with internal names of "PhotoShoot" (photo field blessing, suspected to be a skill that can provide buffs to teammates in field of view and debuff enemies in field of view) and "JointChain" (chain shared damage, which may allow multiple enemies in range to share damage) skills; The main weapon in the Mortuary is a hammer, with internally named "Trance Mode" (presumably automatically dodging enemy attacks and counterattacking) and "Blink Stake" (presumably teleporting to an enemy and hammering them, like a Radagon). This patch even includes over 100 audio files from the Scholar, including daily greetings and dialogue from personal side quests. The "Dread Lord" mentioned in the dialogue, whose form is comparable to the Night Lord, may be the new boss of the Nightreign DLC at the end of the year.

>>718811564 (OP)
Jesus Christ, that looks like a pain in the ass.

>>718852275
>a new terrain, including blood monsters, spider scorpions, tortured old men, Messermo soldiers, spirit fire dragons and other enemies from the Shadow of the Erdtree
Does that mean a new shifting earth? I hope the SotE enemies and bosses get added to the normal map as well, it sure as hell could use more variety.

>>718811873
Game is now designed by assuming you'll summon people. I complained about this since Elden Ring's launch but /v/ never listens to me. The bosses attack super fast and have insane tracking because the game assumes one player is baiting the boss while the other is dishing out punishment risk free.

And I am sorry but it's awful design.

I believe bosses should have two movesets/modes. One for solo players, the other for groups.

>>718852232
Solo players still had winstreaks on him though, it really is just shit teams that made him "hard"

>>718852453
skill issue

>>718852494
He's undertuned for solo. Not only does he summon a single clone, that clone has like half the hp of what you'd get in trios.

>>718814027
It went something like this
>Hey Mitsubishi-san, I've been with the company since DS1 and I think I have a good idea for a new take on souls coop can I get a shot at directing a game
>Sure lmao here's 300 yen of budget just make sure it doesn't flop or I'll send the yakuza after you
and the rest is history

>>718827851
>depth 5 + red enemy = 500% extra damage
Bruh...

>>718852275
>No swamps
What the hell Ishizaki...

>>718819174
>putting ds1 bosses at the same tier as ds2 ones
at least in ds2 you actually have to play even though it turns into turn based combat on majority of them
in ds1 all you have to do is fucking stand next to a boss and attack it until it dies, people who fail at this game are just overcomplicating it because some meme ppl told them its """"hard""""

>>718851882
There's a chance for some locations to be corrupted and the enemies in them will be stronger so they end up looking like that. Plus, you're guaranteed to get invaded by NPCs that are using the same class your team is using.

>>718832170
how did lobster hunter flop and shart so badly

>>718852453
>I believe bosses should have two movesets/modes. One for solo players, the other for groups.
Two times more behaviour trees?
In this economy?
Or just ignore the criticism and let retards to defend you with
>git gud
Spam

>>718853047
DS2 had piss easy bosses for the most part and they're almost all trivialized by strafing around them, only one that isn't free in base game is maybe Darklurker
The DLC ones are harder but idk if I'd rank them above Artorias and co

>>718843405
The depth relic effects are stronger than the regular ones.
Also the depth effects are very significant.
I think the extra HP is going to be fine, but the damage will be a problem.
Ironically Raider is getting the best damage mitigation passive on top of one of the best offensive relics.

>>718816106
It's stressful as fuck with its random drops and fortshite style map shrinking. Fuck this game.

>>718832170
Speaking of Monster Hunter, it'd be hilarious if Nightreign also got a DPS meter mod.

>>718816106
TRVKLEAR BOMB

>>718811564 (OP)
So glad I didn't waste money on this shit

>>718853728
You can't use mods if you wanna play with randoms cause of EAC so it wouldn't really matter

>>718811873
Souls shit became the defacto action formula for normalfags and From gets high off their own farts so they roll with it. They perfected the "action games for retards" formula.

super-blocking nightlord nukes and boss slams is fucking addicting

>>718850780
Puzzlefags are retarded eternal secondaries. Half the nightreign bosses are puzzle fights and everyone hates them because the victory condition is binary

>>718853853
Meanwhile DMC/NG autists like Seraphim17 have been playing nothing but Nightreign for the past few months :)

>>718811873
Dark Souls is a different game series from Elden Ring

>>718845520
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed

>>718811564 (OP)
WTF THAT'S SO COOL!!!! Does it have a handful of attacks you need to memorize so you know when to roll? That's sick. Bet it feels really difficult!

>>718854007
this started in DS3 though
it was worse in DS3, even

>>718851769
shouldve uhhhh mark iframed outta there

>>718853825
A DPS meter wouldn't be a "mod" and would just read the game data and not do anything. It'd be much easier to slip through than anything else.

>>718854196
Sounds like a ds3 problem thats off topic for this thread then desu

>>718811564 (OP)
I unironically love the main bosses roster
Can't wait for the DLC we need more of these niggas

>>718854349
doesn't matter, EAC wouldn't let you hook into the game process at all

>>718832218
>>718833393
>>718852902
There will be a depth only 4the relic chalice where you can put new Depths Relics soooo....

>>718854493
I'm excited to see the two new nightfarers that got datamined Raya Lucarian scholar with a buffing/debuffing focus of some kind, and very probably a Dryleaf monk

>>718854556
Uh huh. Sure.

randos
just walk behind the dog to avoid the big AoE
sick of watching my entire party get nuked while I'm hammering his ass.

>everdark doggo lifts some attacks from fire-element heolstor
neat

>>718819174
>DeS, DS1, DS2
>Level Difficulty: 10
The only even remotely challenging levels in all 3 of these games together is tonb of the giants, shrine of amana, and the undead crypt. Every other DeS, DaS, and DS2 level is easier than stormveil castle.

When is the dlc coming out?

>>718814027
The fuck do you mean?
Nightreign is literally Elden Ring's second DLC, except it's a standalone for profitmaxxing with a slightly different structure
The core gameplay is basically the same except for the faster sprint to account for the lack of horse, and the special abilities

>>718811873
Ornstein and Smough is a janky, badly designed boss, where the only challenge is not getting fucked by the two enemies attacking through each other in phase one.

>>718816106
>same enemies you've already fought in ER, but no SOTE enemies so it's even less variety than if they actually recycled everything
>roguelike elements are very shallow and unsatisfying
The game is carried hard by the fact nightfarers and the nightlords are high quality and well designed (especially the nightfarers), the rest of the game is kinda ass and honestly not that fun.

>>718854884
your 4-2?

>>718854884
but he wasnt 12 when he was playing through stormveil

>>718854997
later this year, release date not given

>>718814027
Because they are 15% owned by (((Sony)))

>>718855008
"slightly" different structure
faster sprint, special abilities, no stat requirements on gear, legendary weapons have passive effects like MLGS having the defense-down from full moon sorceries, several characters have mechanics to completely ignore enemy attacks, all weapon types have one reworked moveset for each character's preferred category

>>718855030
>no SOTE enemies
Golden Hippopotamus and the demihuman Yoda
More stuff coming from that for DLC with the new nightfarers and nightlords

>>718811873
>HURR DURR WHAT'S THE MATTER BRO THIS IS DARK SOULS GIT GUD
>...how did we go from Ornholio and Smoughie to this bros this is heckin impossible...
It's downright comical how Soulkids turned out to be the biggest cryptocasuals once FROM started to put some actual efforts in their games

>>718855008
sprint and abilities are legitimately massive game changers. NR has more unique DNA compared to Elden ring which is just demons souls on crack

>>718855418
moreso dark souls 2 on crack

>>718855008
no this game is miyazaki giving the combat designer from bloodborne, ds3 and elden ring permission to go full autism. if you're someone who plays these games once and don't give a shit about the combat sure it probably doesn't look like much. but the small tweaks and changes are huge.

>>718854493
I really like how they made each and every boss unique in their own way even on a mechanical level( to varying degrees of course)
>Gnoster is another iteration of Demon Prince, now pitting you against duo of Ranged-Quick & Slow-Melee bosses
>Fulghor is another iteration of Artorias, with his ED version going back to his prime mid-battle.
>ED Adel is a chicken dragon on crack.
>Libra
The main bosses and the nightmares class system are honestly easily the best part of the game.
>>718855030
Yeah, it's unfortunate how it even lacks true randomisation, preset maps as a decision is a bizarre decision.
Would be a shame If we don't even get a new map, or a swamp shifting earth event. No the rotted woods do not count.

>>718855261
Oh you're right, I had forgotten about those. Still there's a LOT more enemies that they could have put in, like the dancing fucks and the rauh bird knights, but they didn't for whatever reason. I think Placidusax and Bayle would make for good night 2 bosses for example.

>DLC night 1 and 2 bosses for the new nightlords are just gonna be D-Tier SOTE enemies we've already fought instead of souls throwbacks that are actually fun to fight
Gay as FUCK man, ghostflame dragon already got datamined. They really pick exclusively the worst encounters for this shit game

The /v/ermin writhe in agony when presented with this information

>>718855643
Cold and Magic kinda don't exist in Nightreign so I'm cool with that
(Magic ruins are such a fucking dogshit place to try and traverse with the traps and projectile enemies and nothing is weak to Magic in this game so it's not worth it)

>>718811873
timestamp
https://youtu.be/HEIesW3WEO0?si=sFVXnFR48V5scrYn&t=7314

>>718811873
>how did we go from ornstein and smough to this
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, WHY AREN'T YOU TRYHARDING ENOUGH!

>>718816559
>and the game gets more fun
(it doesn't)

>>718855807
There is nothing wrong with this
Absolute peak

>>718816106
>nightreign is more fun than elden ring
Every other Fromsoft game is more fun than Elden Ring.

>>718855730
Nah dragons are shit and unfun encounters because half their moveset involves running away.
They should add Friede or some shit if they want more frost enemies

>>718847618
>The aggro is completely random
wrong. the dogs fight a single character each until the one with the sword roars. after the roar, the dogs converge on a single player for around 10 seconds and then reset aggro

>>718855667
This makes /v/ mad because Souls games are no longer their cool kid secret special club lol

>>718855730
magic damage has several good ashes like waves of darkness, glintstone pebble, gravitas and several good weapons like wing of astel, dmgs, ruins greatsword, baby rattle.
that's not even getting into casting which has nothing but good options.
who cares if nothing's weak to it when you're hitting hard already.

>>718855915
-If you're a shitter.

>>718855970
>try to invade Monster Hunter as the next "2hardcore4u" game series
>get called out in Generations Ultimate

>>718816528
>Buys a game for tryhard nolifers
>Plays in hard mode
>Complains that the game is hard

>>718855730
Adel has 0 magic resist. Carried so many shitters on everdark with recluse

>>718856042
>-If you're a shitter.
Anon, if you want a real challenge, try losing your virginity.

>>718856134
This cannot be fucking real

>>718855927
>the dogs fight a single character each until the one with the sword roars
False.
>after the roar, the dogs converge on a single player for around 10 seconds and then reset aggro
True.

>>718856239
>posts trannime shite
>tells other people about their virginity

>>718856239
>"No idle musings, please"
>pick Leave or walk away
>"Hmph!"
what did she mean by this

>>718851869
>Because the core fanbase will play these game until every boss is trivial so they feel like they have to up the ante with every new release so it won't feel too easy for them

Let's be honest, after experiencing Promised Consort, we understand there's no reason main story bosses should be easier than Malenia.

>>718816528
>Dad gamers who actively choose the normalfag life then complain about the consequences of said life
Why are they like this?

>>718856364
newfag

>>718856367
She wanted you to shut up and fuck her silly rather than telling her how nice the weather was and she's disappointed you spilled your spaghetti like the maidenless wretch your are

>>718856449
You are trying way too hard to fit in, trannime faggot

>>718811873
Because people wanted hard bosses. This is what you asked for. You thought Gael was the epitome of Dark Souls 3 and where the series should go. This is where it went.
You asked for this. Stop bitching.

>>718856494
newfag

>>718856494
>trannime
imagine being a terminal twitter addict trying to "get back to his roots" so he goes to 4chan but he forgot that it's an anime and video game website first and foremost so instead of getting back to his roots he lashes out since all the other frogposters on twitter hate anime and video games

>>718855807
Wow...looks like fun...

>>718816528
>I have a full time job, I have a wife, I'm actively going through a divorce, and I have 2 little ones, not to mention I'm taking care of my aging parents.
>I have at most and hour a day to sit down and RELAX

Resplendent bait. I've seen so many retarded shitheads on Reddit who say this shit unironically.

>>718856539
>>718856558
>ACSHUALLY ILL HAVE YOU KNOW THIS IS A TRANNIME WEBSITE
Uh oh, the trannime faggots are mad lol

>>718856665
>>718856494
>>>/a/
>nooooo i'll get banned there
not my problem

>>718811564 (OP)
I only got to fight him twice as guardian but so far I hate playing guardian against him
>2 in front of me
>one behind or to the side starts to attack
>turn to block him
>one of the other 2 bite me in the back/side

>>718816528
Lol you getting divorce raped nigga, you won't have games to play in a few months because they now belong to your wife
Shouldn't have married a BPDtard

>Increased fire damage negation
>"Lol fuck that, were MUH DEEEEEEEEEPS"
>*Gets one shot by the dog*
And that's why you keep wiping to the dog. Because your teammates won't pick up some defensive items.

>>718856501
>Because people wanted hard bosses. This is what you asked for.
It's not what I asked for. I asked for interesting bosses that are varied to one another, but all I got were the same stamina stomping fast moving and attacking bosses. They can all be summed up as Artorias, but more extreme.

>>718856364
he posted art of a character from the game being discussed. Holy fuck I hate /pol/troon election tourists so much. Just kys you spic fuck and stop shitting up my board

>>718855261
It's so weird that those two are the ones they picked, demihuman swordmaster makes some sense because it lets them do more with the queen but why the hippo?

>>718857149
Just padding for the lighter field bosses I'm guessing, it's already not threatening even at low or no Scadutree Blessing in SOTE if you're not retarded

>>718857149
they're saving them all to pad out the dlc so they don't have to port over more souls bosses

>>718856345
>the each fight a single character*
i forgot a word, my bad

>>718857005
>It's not what I asked for.
You aren't people. You are a subhuman crybaby casual and your opinion is pointless.

>>718857005
>I asked for interesting bosses that are varied to one another
Such as? I hate belittling the older titles but oldfags who view them with rose tinted glasses are even more insufferable.

>>718811564 (OP)
God I love this boss. He's designed for 3 players. If you come at him solo you're going to have a miserable time.
I wish from didn't cave and made the game trios only. catering to solo/duo fags was a concession they didn't need to make.

>>718857773
Sorry bwo duos are the sweet-spot
As in Happy Souls, so in Elder Rang

>>718857528
not him but I wish they could come up with "gimmick" fights that aren't just rehashing DeS bosses
the fact that we're up to the fourth storm ruler boss is grim (and the last one was even a downgrade from rykard)

>>718857828
Duos are fun when it's from someone disconnecting in trio mode, but the actual dedicated duo mode is baby shit.

>>718855807
that AI bug was fixed months ago, get newer material

Do we have a timeframe for when the depth mode is dropping?

>>718857149
Because the enemy was planned to appear in base ER, but got delayed to SotE.
Since Nightreign was in development before SotE, it's probable that they just grabbed the enemies that were already finished, the hippo being one of them.

>>718858635
>Since Nightreign was in development before SotE
Was it?

>>718851850
Yeah, Pata was seemingly a bone they threw to the two dedicated casters.

>>718858698
Yes.
>>718833727

>>718859009
>>718833727
huh, I didn't think Nightreign would take so long to develop then. If they pitched the idea in late '21, they probably started in '22, so that's like 3 full years of development for a game where they barely had to make any assets. I suppose the team would have been much smaller then.

>>718857528
>Such as?
Bosses that are not always extreme versions of Artorias. It really is that simple. I'm so fucking bored of the same tryhard boss archetype for nearly every boss.

>>718811564 (OP)
It took three of you to take me down, cowards.

>>718855008
That’s like saying Deracene is a dlc for Bloodborne.

>>718859195
it was probably just ishizaki and a few other staff working on the systems while the rest was working on SotE. then once that finished they shifted staff over to nightreign to finish it. explains why the only SotE stuff in nightreign was content cut from elden ring they didn't have time to tweak the SotE content.

>>718857852
You had Abyss Watchers, Curse-rotted Greatwood, High Lord Wolnir, Deacons of the Deep, Pontiff Sulyvahn and Ancient Wyvern but you gloss over their gimmicks or say they're shit while praising something as basic as hitting Tower Knight's ankles until he falls over

>>718857852
I sincerely doubt we would get new gimmick bossfights like with the storm-ruler, but I think that's besides the issue, this is just my personal opinion, but I think mid-battle gimmicks like Base Libra's is a decent middle-ground and the way to go where if you don't engage with it then you're punished but it's still not an instant game-over/victory.

>>718859208
You are transexual and you do not play these games

>>718852275
>Scholar
HE'S IN

>>718859375
Don't forget they also have people working on Duskbloods and whatever unannounced projects we're not aware of

>>718816528
You got time to be a bitch nigga on /v/ tho...........

>>718859457
I've beaten every single boss from Demon Souls to Elden Ring single-handedly. I'm so fucking bored of the tryhard boss archetype. It's so overused.

>>718856141
solo is easy mode desu just play wylder lmao

>get my shit pushed in by gaping jaw for days
>boot up game yesterday
>team fucks him up first try

there is a lot of rng doing it with randoms but the game is basically elden ring: bossrush DLC

>>718852275
>no perfumer
what the fuck is the poooooint.

>>718859825
No, you haven't, you're a casualfag tranny, and you can't tell the difference between these bosses because you literally have no experience with them.

>realize Libra's boss AI is just an Erdtree Burial Watchdog with spell spam and frenzy buildup
>stop having problems with him and start parry godding with Executor

as someone who plays these games
I didn't buy it
I had some friends try to relentlessly shill it but the moment I saw gameplay and what it was; was the moment I stopped caring.

Seriously what a fucking waste of time, they should have just made a DLC boss rush mode for elden ring

>>718860554
>No, you haven't, you're a casualfag tranny, and you can't tell the difference between these bosses because you literally have no experience with them.
This is some serious copium fiction you've got there. You're delusional as a troon you accuse me of.

When ED Gladius does the double dash move with the flaming sword, just before the big explosions, I swear the second one hits you before the animation even starts

>>718852275
wow thats fucking boring

>>718860952
There's a lingering fire trail from the first dash, you're probably getting hit by that

>>718860952
those dashes are definitely deceptively fast
also they kinda look like you ought to be able to jump them, but I haven't been able to pull it off

>>718861124
No it's definitely the initial hit from the second attack that keeps getting me, not any lingering effect because it happens before me even starting the dodge animation. I know it's a quick move and it has no real windup or audio cue but it still feels like the impact is happening before the dog even reaches me like his hitbox is 10 feet out in front of his face.

I feel like Gladius and Fulghor are the only bosses that are just raw upgrades and not gimmicks in some sense
Even Adel has the boxing-arena tornado

>do everdark libra with randoms multiple times no problem
>first time a random picks ironeye
>ironeye clone spawns
>SPAMS rain of arrows
>rain of arrows does half my health
>stop to mean rained
>stop to attack rained
>run out of endurance rained
inb4 prio the ironeye I didnt expect the faggot npc to do that kinda bullshit

>>718862413
Wylder does it too

>>718862687
>>718862413
Wylder is even worse because he uses a greatbow

>>718816528
lmao wtf is this

>>718816839
Elden Ring lets you just spam Endure and fully avoid rollslop and parryslop
Does Nightreign have something similar, if not I shan't bother

>>718864509
>rollslop
>parryslop
kill yourself

>>718864509
One of the classes is a typical STR poise tank with endure on his starting weapon

>>718859375
>>718859195
It was 100% extremely challenging for them to tune it properly. Essentially rebalancing the entire Elden Ring suite of weapons/spells/bosses to fit something new while also trying to make it fast and fun.

I bet it was a lot of very slow trial and error in a really hacky modded ER build. I'd love to see early alpha footage.

>>718864509
>>718864867
Raider

>Poisetank character [even has unlockable Havel armor]
>His active skill gives you infinite hyper armor and 90% dmg reduction and also does huge stagger damage

>>718864509
nightreign is classes
>you can be the sekiro class
>you can be the bloodborn backstep heal on damage class
>you can be the sorc
>archer class
>minion class
>melee class
>tank class
>wall class

>>718865260
>>you can be the bloodborn backstep heal on damage class
That's not at all what Duchess is. Duchess is a spell blade with bloodborne dodges. She doesn't even get rally unless you have a lucky relic drop and arguably Raider is much better with rally because just like in BB, big fucker STR hits rally more HP and big fucker STR builds are the ones who feel safe going into combat at half HP to rally some back.

>>718813140
Prayerful Strike is SSS tier.

>>718816106
Based and true

>>718856283
Anon git gud was invented by Mh fags

>>718811873
because retards think hard boss = good design

>>718815893
You it’s supposed to be one per but they don’t see it that way

>>718811873
Flanderization and cocksucking FROM.

>>718816027
Adel really set the bar too high, I thought each boss would have radically new mechanics, only like… three did with Animus, Libra’s condemed and forced deal shit and then Maris’ meme faggotry

>>718816454
Has none of the claw attacks or bleed shit pick a better example

>>718816528
You don’t play a Fromsoftware fame to relax fag

>>718865665
You are completely and 100% dead wrong. Duchess is a melee class and typically the tankiest character in the game, her unique dodge does not interrupting her dagger swings means she’s the greatest “successive” attacker in the game, the dagger unique charge attack being quick and having huge range makes her the greatest “charge attack negation” character in the game. The dodge itself makes her ridiculously hard to kill while also being faster to gap close after a knockdown than something like raider. The successive attacks healing turns on damage negation at all full hp, it goes on and on.

She’s the best rally character for this reason. She should be attacking in melee constantly. If for some reason you get zero negation, her secondary build is as a weapon art spammer with something like black knife of Melina’s gold dagger. The INT shit caster is basically only used if you find a red recluse corpse that instantly loads you with multiple passives and high tier spells.

>>718868467
Post win streak and character usage

>>718832673
There are still plenty of scenarios that fuck you up in solo because of the last of split aggro. ED Gladius is also quite difficult solo as a result of this

Why aren't you rolling?

>>718868594
I’m not home, if I was I would be playing nightreign, not an argument. Unless you’re actually claiming duchess dodge doesn’t pause her chain attack.

Don’t tell me you didn’t know that?

Did they lower the number of runes required to get from level 1 to 2? It used to be 4800 now it’s like 3962 or something

>>718865665
Every melee character should use the rally relic as well as attack up after taking damage

>>718818123
Recluse literally has S faith with the mp limitation

>>718868724
>I-I'm not home btw check out this basic factoid
Concession accepted

>>718868905
Stutter posting and dropping the ESL classic, yikes

>>718818023
At least he had more that two items in his inventory, real sick of anons not picking items for passives

>>718853150
Cuz it's a piece of shit game lol, what do you mean why?

>>718868849
Recluse's fp recovery is slow and you shouldn't be running of starlight shards anyway
Revenant is much more likely to find seals with good incantations cause of weighted drops

>>718819174
Idk those Heroes Graves dont mess around

>>718821951
>>718822490
Very based

>>718828743
Shocked they haven’t added more

>>718831364
Adel can’t be number one because it fucking runs away too much
Fulghor>Adel>Gladius>Libra (fuck you it’s kino)>Caligo>Gnoster>Maris

Don't try standing behind Gladius to dodge the explosion in multiplayer, tried it a couple times now and that shit doesn't work, I don't know if it's because of latency or the boss turning at the last second to track other players or what but both times I've been right on his nuts like the webms show and got hit same as anywhere else in the arena.

>>718840515
>get hit by wandering noble’s glint pebble
>die from full hp at 15

>>718868760
it was never 4800 bro

>>718852232
>the better you are the better the condemned will be
Finally a win for the shot characters like Revenant and Guardian

>>718868760
It was always 3600 and it's never changed from that number

>>718852431
Imagine a Farum Azula shifting earth in the middle of the map above it that you use a spirit sprit or portal to get to

>>718870121
That's not true though, the revenant condemned are about the least threatening aside from maybe executor and Guardian has like the second most annoying ones.

>>718856501
gael translates into a shitty gank fight?

>>718855547
I was able to recognize a seed, got invaded by gnoster while at the bottom of the crater, flew back across the entire map to where I thought the moth would be and it was.
They could stand to introduce more seeds

>>718857005
This is the guy hyping up Adjudicator and then calling Orphan of Kos gay aoe spam

>>718845628
>In older games like DeS and DS1 you could.
yeah DeS and DS1 are piss easy broken games

>>718869843
you're hugging him back off a foot. it works consistently.

>>718870771
>This is the guy hyping up Adjudicator and then calling Orphan of Kos gay aoe spam
What in the fuck are you talkin about. Orphan of Kos is an amazing boss that is complemented by the other bosses in the DLC. You're confusing me with someone else, or you're just making up bullshit on the spot.

>>718871435
>Orphan of Kos
>Amazing boss

Reddit tier bait

>>718811564 (OP)
>playing a game balanced around 3 player parties as a solo
Deserved, retard.

>>718850609
marika's aoe shreads during the split phase

>>718811564 (OP)
>Raider
>Completely retarded
Checks out

>>718855807
this was literally a glitch

Why don't I ever see mage builds in these games?

>>718873408
Casters are the most persecuted Souls archetype, both by the other members of the community and by the developers

>>718858340
>that AI bug was fixed months ago, get newer material
>>718873313
>this was literally a glitch
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID!

>>718873408
Recluse is very strong and fun to play.
Revenant is not that strong but extremely popular.

>>718873408
you're pretty much required to spellsword since staves and seals aren't a weapon, they're a catalyst

>>718873408
Magic in Elden Ring is simultaneously well-represented but also mechanically extremely underbaked and clearly an afterthought. It's like the magic is there and it works if you really want to use it, but the games are clearly made with the intent of swinging melee weapons over and over.

>>718868467
>Duchess is a melee class and typically the tankiest character in the game
Correct. SpellBLADE.
>She should be attacking in melee constantly.
Nope. She can easily back off and toss nukes with her S Int and B Fth.

What a fucking retarded faggot.

>>718874020
on the contrary magic works so obscenely well that comet azur had to het nerfed indirectly by the cerulean tear flask's infinite-MP duration getting reduced, because everybody was cheesing mohg with it

>Executor
>Eochaid Regalia
>Alexander Shard
>FP and HP restore after successive attacks
JESUS CHRIST. THE BLENDER INCARNATE

>>718874194
She has B INT and shit FTH though.

>>718811564 (OP)
>tries to take them all at once like a retard
this wouldn’t work even with the normal version

>>718874405
It's high A Int with B Fth.

At level 15, Recluse only has 10 more Fth. Fucntionally, she's as good as Recluse at using Sorcery and actually has better DPS because her dex makes her cast speed solid.

>>718874205
Comet Azur was never more than a gimmick which basically worked on accident because boss AI was shit, and they took your toys away rather than making it so bosses are no longer retarded and sit in the beam forever. If you had actually played the game and tried to user Comet Azur for anything beyond an unreliable gimmick boss one-shot (doesn't always work, sometimes the boss just... moves away and the spell has 0 tracking) then you'd know the spell is actually crap and you're basically handicapping yourself if you try to use it in any situation other than with the flask. There are so, so many spells in the game which are much better.

Even then all this doesn't change the fact that magic is underbaked and clearly not designed to be a combat option on the same level as melee. They could give you a spell which deals 999999999 dmg to every enemy in a 1km radius and the magic system would still be underbaked and shit.

>>718874323
executor my beloved
mini sekiro in souls was such a fucking good idea. his designer needs a promotion and blowjob

>>718874405
It's high A Int with B Fth.

At level 15, Recluse only has 10 more Int. Functionally, she's as good as Recluse at using Sorcery and actually has better DPS because her dex makes her cast speed solid.

>>718874623
I wasn't even parrying lol just spamming the AoW and staying at full FP because it paid for itself with the mulithit. Helps there was a Guardian taking aggro.

>>718874598
comet azur is dependent on the boss not aura farming and slow-walking at you for it to not work which is why it's great for mohg or the banished knight commander and awful for virtually any other humanoid boss

if you feel it's underbaked, gimp yourself and use nothing but carian sorceries, the gavel and the vanish and play spells like they're melee

>>718874725
cast speed isn't relevant. you just need +2 to hit max cast speed. radagon's icon gives the same amount of virtual dex.

>>718874020
>>718874205
>>718874598
>>718874774
>he hasn't mastered BEEEEEEEAMU in NR

>>718874812
Good luck getting a lucky passive or a Radagon drop. Meanwhile those same talisman and passive slots can be filled with damage boosts for Duchess.

>>718816098
bragfags ruins everything always

>>718874725
>actually has better DPS because her dex
Anon that's irrelevant in a game where a white item gives you the equivalent of 30 dex. A purple or radagon are enough to put you above the speed cap. And Recluse has way more MAX FP, free terra magica (+15% damage pretty much always) and effectively infinite FP.

>>718874996
Fuck I love spamming BEEEEEAAAAAAMUUU


>>718875042
>Anon that's irrelevant in a game where a white item gives you the equivalent of 30 dex.
You're literally spending slots that could be filled with +15% dmg on something Duchess gets for free.

>>718874774
>if you feel like the magic is underbaked, then gimp yourself and suffer even more by using the underbaked shit in an overtly restrictive manner on top
Nah, no thanks, I think I'd rather not. Like the one good thing you could possibly say about magic in ER is that there are a lot of spells. Everything about how magic works is clearly of secondary importance to the game design but at least they put a lot of spells in the game, if I ever play a mage again I'm definitely not giving up on the 1 good thing about magic.

>>718875136
and how many runs are you getting perfect loadouts?
cast speed is a common enough passive.

>>718875136
Casting speed bonuses aren't rare, but it is rare that you have all 6 slots filled with good bonuses. You will end up with the same casting speed in 9/10 games.
And again, terra magica and infinite FP obviously make Recluse the superior caster.

>>718875252
>cast speed is a common enough passive.
The fact remains that she has worse DPS unless she gets talismans or passives and those talismants and passives are taking up space that could be filled with damage or survivability.

She's a very capable caster and people who spew about how she needs to stay in melee 24/7 are actual retards who're massively ignoring hugely powerful elements of her kit.
>And again, terra magica and infinite FP obviously make Recluse the superior caster.
Sorry but Restage means I can make any nuke I drop deal +50% dmg.

If you want to play pure caster, obviously Recluse can't be beat, but acting like Duchess isn't the second best caster is fucking wild.

>>718875430
>She's a very capable caster and people who spew about how she needs to stay in melee 24/7 are actual retards who're massively ignoring hugely powerful elements of her kit.
you can make this point without trying to argue she's better a better caster than recluse.

>>718868760
anon, have you been secretly playing the depth mode? I think one of the possible relic negative effects is "increased runes required to level"

>>718875705
>you can make this point without trying to argue she's better a better caster than recluse.
I never called her that though. I just said she has better DPS and if we theorycraft it, that still extends to when Recluse has her Radagon Talisman because Duchess would have a fuckin' Graven Mass in that slot or something instead and can restage VERY often[which also boosts status effect procs, making certain spells even stronger]

>>718832673
if you want an actual solo run without increased rune gains and extra lives, you just need to get your teammates to ragequit :^) just start a duo run and then do something like immediately killing yourself by jumping off a cliff or getting killed by the starter camp enemies

Sex with Revenant and Recluse and Duchess at the same time

>>718876141
>Restaging your orgasms
kino

>>718816528
Have you considered that maybe the game isn't made for you?

>>718827851
>literal bethesda number increase bullet sponge shit
holy hell

>>718832543
>best animations
You had me in the first half

>>718811564 (OP)
>Literally just an orange dog from elden ring reskin
The absolute state of fromcucks paying for this shit

>>718855734
>brown accent
Not watching

>>718881184
This isn't even remotely close to Radagon's wolf, retard nigger

>>718819174
I don't know if I agree with your numbers, but DS3 is when I really noticed the discussion shifting to only being about bosses.

>>718881893
>beautifully intricate level design and sense of adventure
>dark souls 1

>>718881992
You could just as easily put any of the games maps there. DS3zoomers would still rather talk about bosses.

>>718876181
>restaging your prostate getting rocked

>>718882228
so cathedral of the deep and grand archives don't count because your idea of good level design is soifacing over a shortcut?

>>718883009
No, they do count. I'm saying that people would rather pick apart and talk shit on deacons of the deep rather than talk about what a great level the cathedral is. Its a classic case of missing the forest for the trees. It just became more common after DS3 came out.

>>718819174
Elden Ring has harder levels that DeS, DS1, or DS2, what the fuck are you talking about?
The Haligtree would stonewall the world if it was backported to DS1. Enir Ilim would be several tiers more difficult than anything in DeS. Farum Azula would be well above the peaks of DS2's difficulty outside of the Ice Hell in the DLC.

>>718855807
I got a loop going with Malenia spamming waterfowl dance like this just today.
It was actually hell.

>>718857005
You don't even know what you mean by 'interesting bosses'.
What about Bayle. Did you like him? He's the furthest thing from another Artorius.

>>718811564 (OP)
Why didn't you roll through the attacks? You know you get iframes, right?

>>718881992
Yes

>>718816106
No.
Elden Ring despite everything has some excellent exploration and feeling of discovery.
Nightreign is a fun time sink, but is soulless in a larger sense.

>>718816559
You're actually right.
The next FromSoft Souls game should just axe the shitty stat system and go all in on the Hero selection.
Being able to choose an already strong and fairly well optimized Hero with a little mini quest dedicated to them at the start of the game, would actually make the roleplay stronger and more intersting. And it would cut down on the annoying level grinding to use interesting weapons or spells.

>>718881602
That person is not me I've never posted that picture

Also I use filename randomizer, the person in your pic is always posting it with the same filename

>>718884432
>he doesn't do that for literally every build
Only the absolute lowest IQ most boring faggots don't self-impose that on themselves.

Like this one

>Duke Pyxis
- Carian [very intrigued by his Nox ancestry]
- Spell Knight build with only Carian weapons and Carian/Nox magic
Super fun. Beat the DLC at release with him. You too can have this fun anon. Just gain an imagination

>>718833182
Yeah bro, Sekiro totally has le quality over le quantity

>>718819174
This nigga is the reason why we have these retarded boss fights now and less deep exploration

>>718883767
scaling enemies != difficulty
dumb fucking n word

>>718884910
this has to be some of the cringiest shit ever

>>718811564 (OP)
>end of evangelion with dogs
wow bravo

>>718816528
9/10

>>718867595
Doesn’t look like he has that. He has one of the golden orders or whatever, there’s like two ashes that aren’t golden vow that I always mix up.

>>718885065
this nigga can't see pictures and hear the little voice inside his head
there are monkeys smarter than you

>>718816528
Bait aside, why do millennials say stuff like this? They're so narcissistic, everything revolves around them

>>718884910
>>718884432
Or this one

>Grave Oracle Io
- Loner and Exile
- Grave Scythe user with Int/Fai Death Spells focus
She was so fucking good at busting Ganks. The new putrescence spells were incredible.

>>718885065
It's literally just using your brain a bit to have more fun.

>Ironeye of the Syndicate
- Undead Assassin
- Bow focused with a greatbow for large targets

Nightfarers are the same shit.

>>718885232
Based headcanon maker

>>718817023
respeccing is for trannies and brown people. Make a new character instead.

>>718884432
>>718885232
Sure, I do the same with my builds, focus on an aesthetic and play style.
But the issue is primarily that it is purely intrinsic enjoyment that provides only mental payback, rather than the game facilitating you doing it and getting something out of it.
Nightreign's system actually provides some advantage to seeing character questlines through and some payment for the time spent within that role.

>>718885579
>, rather than the game facilitating you doing it
Elden Ring does this to some degree though. Spell catalysts are best at casting certain spell schools which leans into that and in some cases there's even armor that synergizes too. To be the best "thorn sorcery" guy, you gotta wear full alberich and use the guilty staff.

I will genuinely hate it if they take this into mainline games. I'm having more fun because my brain is bigger. Taking my fun away so that uncreative simpletons can feel like their dude is super cool without thinking is cringe and directrly limits the replayability and particularly ruins the feel of the random multiplayer in that it always brings people who feels like individuals rather than variants.

>>718885000
That isn't what I'm talking about, you moron.
The levels themselves are more difficult than anything in prior games. Even for people that are skilled at the game. The Haligtree is massively hostile and has multiple choke points where players are hammered with hard enemies and environmental hazards. The early courtyard where you have to fight a Lion Misbegotten while the Miranda Flowers laser the arena would be above the difficulty of almost anything in DS2's environments on its own. Let alone later stuff inside the city itself.
Enir Ilim's storm warriors can be harder than half of DS1's bosses, and areas like the dual inquistors channeling spells are above what earlier games would have thrown at you as they did. And the secret 1/3rd of the city that you have to parkour down to was very cleverly hidden and pays off well.
Farum Azula is an obvious example of a very challenging area purely in terms of PVE, no bosses.

What in Demons's Souls comes close to any of those?
Nothing does.

>>718885785
That does happen, but its not the same because half the time you have to spend several hours fucking around until you can get your RP gear, unless you spawn it in, but then have to meet the level reqs anyhow.
That to me is really a heart of the problem. That sure, a player can roleplay if they have every option available for them and foreknowledge of where XYZ is and what it takes to get said items or how to use them, but that only goes as far as what they can talk to themselves in their heads about as they play the same levels in roughly the same way as everyone else. And the game doesn't help you or give you some appreciation for your work in meeting it on that level. And you still have to physically do that gathering until you can turn yourself 'on' and enjoy the RP.

Nightreign's system is simple and doesn't meet the potential for breadth and depth that your imagination does. That is undeniable.
But what it does do is provide a pay off for following personal quests, and facilitate actually doing that with how the stat system works, or rather, how it was mostly pared out of the way.
It doesn't solve all problems, but making more Hero characters that fill more and more roles with simple individual quests is a very easy thing for a developer to do.

I could point to the Convergence mod for Elden Ring that exists today as somewhat of an example of this system being worked into the game successfully already.

>>718885524
>spend several hours running around like a headless chicken getting all the cool items again instead of just respecing to use another build in a game that is super long

>people fell for Souls 76
We need harder captchas.

>>718886505
>And the game doesn't help you or give you some appreciation for your work in meeting it on that level.
Synergies like how you can do Carian Piercer coming out of Miriam's Vanishing is one of the rewards but yes they don't do that because many people would rather just be soullless husks and make an ugly pink haired guy and twohand a colossal for 50 hours.
>But what it does do is provide a pay off for following personal quests
No it doesn't. All the memberberry relics are C+ tier at best.
> making more Hero characters that fill more and more roles with simple individual quests is a very easy thing for a developer to do.
Individual quests exist in Elden ring more than ever before as you align yourself with a faction of choice and pursue those goals in the end. I strongly disagree with everything you're saying

>I could point to the Convergence mod
I don't want to be a cunt but enjoying Souls mods doesn't make me think more of you and I doubt I'd like what convergence does.


>And you still have to physically do that gathering until you can turn yourself 'on' and enjoy the RP.
Nope.

>Isamu the Wanderer
- A ronin who finds himself called by grace, Samurai starting class, reedlander race
- Katana user but with exceptions for "Jap" weapons and samurai style combat [I kept a longbow/black bow/serpent bow on me]
I had an incredibly fun time on my first Elden Ring playthrough. The whole way. It was SO rewarding. Man was I hype when I found the cross naginata.


It's all a brainpower issue. Create the thing and play the game. For Dark Souls 2 did

>Maraxus the Bandit
- A bloodthirsty bandit who takes as he pleases
- Edgy weapons and bleed stuff [I ran full moon crescent scythe and notched whip for a long time for example]
Was equally satisfying.

>>718886595
>robbing yourself of the low and mid level build experience just so you can instantly use the best spells and weapons for that build
>thinks not doing this means you have to run around and rush to get specific items instead of enjoying the journey and slow build up of your new character
You started with DS3, didn't you

>>718885232
>>718885147
this has to be some of the cringiest shit ever

>>718887085
Chaining spells together is incidental to RP, its just them making magic more fun to use in general.
FROM isn't giving a boost to players that aim to role play, they're tweaking the PVP experience and that just extends elsewhere.

The payoff for following a quest doesn't have to be great, to feel worth it.
Fia's quest in the base game is actually good, and you get a mid boss remembrance and some spells that you'll probably never use for it. But you want to follow along because there's actually something given back to the player for doing it.
Just getting a decent little trinket is immeasurably better than role playing into the gaping void.

The last two 'role plays' you described are vaguely themed murderhobos.
I just got off a 'spears only' play through where I only let myself use spears (messmer soldier's spear the GOAT). But I wouldn't call it rewarding RP.
It was just a novelty to give the game more life, but being spearman had nothing but a mild intrinsic payoff in the end for having done so.
That is only as rewarding as you are in love with that feeling of slight self satisfaction.

>>718887280
That slow build up is only ever fun once.
After you do it more than like twice, you'll never have the desire to do the early game scramble again.
Especially if you're a magic user, sorcery or incants, then the early game is dogwater in particular and you don't even start really having fun until you're half-way through on a typical play through.

Elden Ring is too long and too big to do that bullshit over and over again.
Just skip to the fun stuff, because that is what is actually enjoyable to come back to. Not the scavenger hunt for items part.

>>718888918
Except that -every- sword spells works coming out of Mirriam's and she was a Carian glowie. It's also true that sword spell users would want a spell that can move them into range and break lock on.


>Just getting a decent little trinket is immeasurably better than role playing into the gaping void.
Brain. Power. Issue.


Isamu joined with the Frenzied Flame because he found no masters he felt worthy of his loyalty and found nothing but desolation. When I got my end cutscene, my arc had meaning because gave it that.


>The last two 'role plays' you described are vaguely themed murderhobos.
Correct. That's how games work. You put a mask on your murderhobo. I had no lore justification for Duke Pyxis doing what he did in the Shadowlands, he was plenty satisfied to marry Ranni.

>>718819174
>The series transitioned from the difficulty being spread out evenly throughout the level design and mechanics, to being solely focused on just bosses.

Read nigga. ER levels are easy as fuck becuase you as a player are OP as fuck and designed around OP bosses. Along with straight casulizations like increased amount of bonfires and Stakes of Marika everywherr so if you do die you don't even lose progression anymore.
>hur durr drop these levels off withount the mechanics that surrond the game
Retard

>>718889779
Meant for >>718883767

>>718817742
It's a timer. You can just run around waiting for them to fuse back