Thread 718812937

>tosses everything set up in the first game
>sets nothing up for the third game

>>718812937 (OP)
Post yfw you're not maladjusted and haven't been seething for 15 years over a video game

>>718812937 (OP)
Worse than Andromeda and it's not even close.

>>718812937 (OP)
How so? it sets it up perfectly. 3 ruined it by making the reapers lolcows

The slow collector reveal, the opening scene etc - some of the greatest moments in gaming history

>>718812937 (OP)
and its still the best me game

>>718812937 (OP)
Still mad but in a sense now I just pretend 2-3-A is the ME trilogy. ME1 is its own game and never had a sequel

>>718812937 (OP)
>sets nothing up for the third game
Its really funny how in 3 nobody noticed an entire fucking fleet of cuttlefish robot ships entering earths atmosphere until they're already on ground level blowing shit up. This while the military leaders are denying the very existence of the ships that are invading no less.
Amazing writing.

>>718812937 (OP)
The status of Spectre is propped up throughout ME1 and then just dropped entirely for the rest of the series

>>718813381
>ME1 is its own game and never had a sequel
Thats basically true in actual practice.

>>718812937 (OP)
And it's the best one of the trilogy in most respects. ME should never have had an overarching grand epic story, every installment should have been a self-contained caper about Shepard the space cop like a pulp story.

>>718812937 (OP)
Yeah, it's a horrible sequel. A fun experience, but a horrible sequel.

>>718812937 (OP)
Just like dragon age and baldurs gate only the first game in the series is actually good. Sad!

>>718812937 (OP)
>tosses everything set up in the first game
But it didn't?

Sparing/killing Wrex has major implications
Who you leave at Virmire doesn't return and the survivor hates Shepard for joining Cerberus
You still fight the Reapers indirectly but you get sidetracked fighting their minions with the Collectors who are the current galactic menace

It's 3 who tosses everything but a handful out of the window and shits out a godawful ending

>>718813235
I got mad when I started playing and realized they tried to CoDify it.
Then I finished it so I could justify my distaste for the game with experience.
I wasn't mad when 3 came out because the series was already dead to me, and it saved me a ton of trouble.

>>718813602
even in me1 the spectre status means shit outside of having access to a better armoury
in 2 it's useless even if you saved the council
in 3 it barely registers

EA fumbled the bag hard with this franchise but then again if they delayed ME3 to like a 5-7 year cycle it would have been released right in the middle of the SJW/woke era which would have been an even bigger disaster.

If you like any bioware slop you jmshould kill yourself. They never made a good game

>>718814802
None of those things matter until the 3rd game and are left to rot until that disaster, they might as well have been tossed out for 2.

>>718815807
>None of those things matter until the 3rd game
Reading comprehension ESL-kun, we're talking about the 1st game to the 2nd game.

I even pointed out that 3 tosses a lot of stuff in my last sentence.

>>718812937 (OP)
>still assmad
>still making threads about it

>ME1 has great worldbuilding but the worst gameplay
>ME2 has great companions but the story goes fucking nowhere
>Thermal clips
>ME3 has the strongest gameplay but the ending isn't great

They're all flawed, and yet I love each of them
Oh yeah I almost forgot that edgy ninja fuck existed in ME3, at least he's unintentionally hilarous

>>718818432
i think the gameplay of 1 feels ok just because it has more rpg elements.

>>718812937 (OP)
Just take the best of each one and make ME 4 a masterpiece.

>>718812937 (OP)
Most overrated game of the trilogy because 1 was the best and 3rd was shit. Other opinions are simply not valid

>>718812937 (OP)
You probably is the type that says every line of dialogue should either reveal something about characters or move the plot forward
Even if it was "filler", if it's better than the canon then who cares

>>718818545
>Just take the best of each one and make ME 4 a masterpiece.

They can't, I don't think it is even possible.

>We already know the setting
>Andromeda already had a better gameplay than the previous games
>Bioware villains are boring and rushed through the end

I'm not sure what the hell are they cooking there but the expectations are way low.

Masterpiece? Not in a million years, they just can't take you by surprise with something more significant other than bring characters from previous games and that's it.

>>718813316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pksBB6t834

>>718813316
>How so? it sets it up perfectly

No, they changed the ending because they changed the lead writer. Most key writers left at the end of ME 2

>>718813235
ME1 had the bones to be the greatest game of all time. A sequel that was bigger and better in every way would've been the greatest game ever made
instead they went for something somehow even more casual than Gears of War, and acquired a fanbase of furries, tumblristas, and other losers in the process
I will never not seethe over this. Retards thought it went to shit with DA2, Tortanic, and the ending debacle but the truth is ME2 is when everything started to fall apart.
And the sad thing is I like ME2 and 3, both 7/10 games, but they are utterly inferior to what could have been

>>718812937 (OP)
>and still the fan favorite
and you are still seething about it 15 years later

>>718819537
>ME1 had the bones to be the greatest game of all time
Mass Retards

>>718819554
>and still the fan favorite

Tells you how many redittors have played the game. Even now I found comments of people who's first ME was the 2nd and that's the only reason it's the fan favorite.

At some point is the same level of retardation of people who say Resident Evil 4 is the best RE in the franchise lol

>>718818432
>but the worst gameplay
I'd argue in terms of sheer fun it goes ME3>ME1>ME2
ME2 had some of the jankiest gameplay of all time, never understood what people saw in chest high walls and wave-based combat

>>718819687
RE4 is definitely the best of the TPS era.
og RE2 is still my favorite overall

>>718819690
>never understood what people saw in chest high walls and wave-based combat

Gears of Wars was popular at that time

>>718812937 (OP)
You say this like it's a bad thing but Mass Effect would have been 200 percent better as a anthology of the first human spectre with each game being its own thing rather than the retarded ancient evil awakens.

Mass Effect only is relevant because of 2, because of the suicide mission to be more specific. If not it'd be forgotten as one more generic 2000s game

>>718819765
GOW had way more fluid gameplay though. Dives and rolls, chainsaw melee attacks, just a faster pace of gameplay. ME2 was so fucking slow, cover and shoot, cover and shoot, with the fucking terrible power system where if you used biotics you couldn't use a tech power or swap ammo for some reason

>>718815191
The whole fucking story of 1 is enabled by you being a Spectre. It's what gives you authority to solve disputes and carry out your mission. You have no such mandate in 2.

>>718819913
Not true at all. If it was then the sequels wouldn't have tons of ME1 memberberries.
>HEY REMEMBER TALI
>HEY REMEMBER GARRUS
>HEY REMEMBER WREX
>HEY REMEMBER THAT TIME WE TOOK DOWN SAREN

>>718812937 (OP)
Was 2 even planned? I feel like the ending to 1 was fine, it was left mysterious about what exactly the reapers were but that's ok, we stopped the threat. Then it was massively successful so they felt the need to cobble together some quit story as fast as they could for a sequel and 2 was the result

>>718820765
They purposefully soft rebooted the setting to attract a wider audience.

>>718818524
More RPG elements makes a game worse.

>>718819871
It's a bad thing because they did it in the most retarded way possible.

>>718819687
Actually Reddit now likes 3 over 2. There's been constant bitching about 2 on Reddit in recent years.

>>718820765
EA wanted the series to be more like Halo/Cowadoody so they changed it to a cover shooter

>>718821234
Imagine being so bad at games that you're fuming over more action, 15 years later.

>>718818432
ME1 gameplay is the best for me. I hate cover shooters and 1 is the only game in the trilogy that you can ignore cover and play it like a third person semi-tactical shooter. There's way more customization with you and your companion's equipment and powers. Squadmates actually have a full class suite of abilities. Also the level design and quest design are far superior, the whole 20 minute mission design of ME2 is retarded.

The only bad thing about ME1 for me are the romance plots which are remarkably shit in contrast to the rest of the game's story writing, but I can live with it. Uncharted Worlds are mostly a miss but optional.

Based absolutely fuck plotfags the biggest shiteaters of media

>>718821704
i loved the weapon modding in the first cus it let me make a high powered single shot sniper rifle with splash damage that was effectively a rocket launcher

>>718812937 (OP)
>tosses everything set up in the first game
but that didn't happen?

>>718812937 (OP)
And that was the right call except for shoving in more reaperslop. ME2 should've just been about doing glownigga shit as a spectre and reapers should've been one and done.

>>718821832
>random unknown ayylmao ship appears in the first 1 minute and obliterates your whole ship, kills you, scatters your crew
>literal terrorists revive you with space magic
>this pistol doesnt have a thermal clip
>you are now working with said literal terrorists for no reason
>90% of the game is fighting three mercenary groups literally colored blue, red, and yellow

>>718821808
I like the Carnage ability for shotguns, it's like a missile launcher.

Mass Effect 2 invented chest high walls and it was literally a Call of Duty game with bunny hopping and everything. The first game had turn based tactical battles and was superior.

>>718812937 (OP)
2 is the best BECAUSE it has the least amount of reaper horse shit in it

>things are....happening
>im putting together a team
>attack the base with your team

beautiful simplicity followed up by the most bloated plot in history ME3

>>718821975
so the only thing it actually tossed out is your old ship and crew (though pretty much all of the important crew members back) and the old ammo mechanics, then

how exactly is that "everything set up in the first game"? that's two pretty minor things that barely effect anything

>>718822184
So you missed the part where it threw away your entire character, their status, and their mission? Cool cool.

>>718822160
>things are....happening
Peak ME2 storytelling.

>>718813235
I am still seething, if anything Mass Effect should have gone the MMO route after 1 and they should have made a Knights of the old republic 3 instead of an mmo. I never even bothered playing 3 after the horrendous plot elements in two, especially the stupid plot point of the Reapers thinking humans are so cool and special they want to melt them down in to a giant terminator.

>>718822160
The whole plot of 2 is revealed like halfway through to all be connected to the reapers and you literally fight a reaper at the end of the game.

The Illusive man (at least in 2) being one of the most kino dudes ever being put on screen in a vidya I can forgive it a little

>>718819690
2 becomes unfun if you play on anything but normal. the enemies laser you down if you leave cover for one second. they eased it up in 3 cause it was so merciless.

>>718822431
He's carried hard by Martin Sheen.

>>718812937 (OP)
>tosses everything set up in the first game
>sets nothing up for the third game
Because the main story progression goes ME1 > ME3.
ME2 is side-quest that's irrelevant to the main story which is why its actually good.
ME1 is heavily overrated because it was most zoomer's first RPG and ME3/4 are really shit, which only leaves ME2.

>>718822723
>ME2 is heavily overrated because it was most zoomer's first RPG
FTFY

>>718822385
the plot doesnt revolve around reapers like 1 and 3. the majority of 2 is focused on your crew.

>YOU'VE JOINED CERBERUS COMMANDER
>HOW DARE YOU
>WE'RE THROUGH SHEPARD
>one game later
>WHAT ABOUT US COMMANDER

>>718822678
For me, it's Joe Estevez.

>>718823248
>comes on so strong in the first game you have to actively turn her down multiple times
>gets the ick in 2 and 3 if your invisible friendship rating is too low (never explained)

wtf are women really like this

>>718823546
female enlisted will always lust for their commanding officers
even a female e-6/e-7 will cheat on her husband with a fresh off ocs o-1

>>718823546
You have to talk her into it in 1. It's not like Liara, who's like
>OHHHHH SHEPARD THE CIPHER IS MAKING ME HORNY LET ME GOBBLE YOUR COCK
>"Lieutenant Alenko, place Liara in the airlock and eject her into space."
>BUT WE'RE MARRIED, SHEPARD I LOVE YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BABIES
>"Lieutenant Alenko, shoot her first."
>I'M GETTING MYSELF PREGNANT, SHEPARD

>>718823615
virgin run is the hardest in 1 i think

>>718821975
>90% of the game is fighting three mercenary groups literally colored blue, red, and yellow
Weren't the Collectors only featured in like 5 missions total?

>>718823615
Liara is so horny in the first game that she doesn't bat an eye at the suggestion for a threesome and even becomes your romance pick if you suggest it

>>718812937 (OP)
more like the third game threw away everything 2 set up, reduced the cast to my og crew, introduced an autistic rival nobody gave a fuck, gave the absolute lamest solutions to milenia old problems, did fuck all with the collector's base/illusive man, etc. 3 chose to be shit every step of the way

>>718821704
>>718821808
>>718822051
>HMWSR Master sniper rifle w/ combat optics, 2 (two) scram rails, and high explosive rounds

>>718824459
>assault rifle with frictionless materials and HE rounds with overkill off cooldown
me1 has the best combat because shootan never felt so good

>>718815191
>>718820516
>The whole fucking story of 1 is enabled by you being a Spectre.
Exactly. Being a Spectre is like being James Bond with a license to kill and able to get away with a bunch of shit that would normally be super illegal for a normal citizen but it's okay because he's a secret agent.

>>718812937 (OP)
And in terms of carrying over story elements into the 2nd and 3rd game, a lot of players care more about the companions than anything else in the story. Their main concern is stuff like "will Tali be in this game and can I fuck her?" not "but how will my time in Cerberus affect the plot going forward?"

>>718820765
>Then it was massively successful so they felt the need to cobble together some quit story as fast as they could for a sequel
It was always meant as a trilogy straight from the beginning. One of the main gimmicks of the series was the promise it would remember your decisions and then bring them forward into the sequels. Which to it's credit it did a decent job at since a decision you made in the first one still affects the story in the third one, to the point you can have a completely different companion with a bunch of different conversations and dialogue options.

Compare that to a game like the Walking Dead. It gets annoying when it gives you the choice on which of two characters to save because you know it means BOTH of them will end up dead soon so they can railroad everyone's story into the same path. They simply didn't have the resources like Bioware to make your choices matter much in the long run.

>>718822949
>the plot doesnt revolve around reapers like 1 and 3. the majority of 2 is focused on your crew.
Yes which is why the finale is the suicide mission, which works great for this type of game. We all know Shepherd will defeat the final villain and save the day but you can't be sure if you'll be able to save all your companions. It makes things more tense since if you fuck up you could potentially get your favorite companion killed and now you can't play with them in the sequel.

You can literally get ALL your companions AND yourself killed if you fuck it up badly enough.
https://youtu.be/8eqsrywwQcM

>>718812937 (OP)
>sets nothing up for the third game
>Cerberus
>Legion, Tali and the Quarian/Geth conflict
>Mordin, King Wrex and the Genophage cure
ME2 literally sets up 75% of ME3

>>718826140
It didn't set up the third game.
If it did set up the third game, the third game was bad.
If the third game was bad, it was because 2 was so good.
If 2 was so good, that's because it was bad.

>>718826310
Pretty much.

Bioware really needs to ditch the N7 branding for ME, if they aren't going to use Shepard again.
Ain't nobody frothing at the mouth to play as nameless N7 operative.
Nobody liked Shepard because he was N7, we don't even know what N7 is
Yes, it is an elite marine program, or whatever, but nobody really knows what that means
It's not a prerequisite for protagonists
Not everyone we come across needs to be N7
N7 is Shepard, it was never more than this

>>718823546
In my recent playthrough of the trilogy, I realised that the moment ME1 starts a relationship between you and Ashley is when you discuss her concerns over the non-human crew. Unless you say "you're out of line" near the beginning of the conversation or "just shut up" at the end of it, she will get it in her head that the two of you are a couple. To get out of the relationship afterwards, you need to either pick Liara if you didn't already reject her, sacrifice Ashley on Virmire, send her away after the Normandy gets locked down, or do so when she comes to you before reaching Ilos.

I'm surprised with just how culturally irrelevant Mass Effect has become. Pretty much every series from that era has aged more gracefully than it.

>>718826790
It's a common flaw in video game writing. It's either
>heap abuse on character
or
>have sex
Liara is worse about it, as no amount of abuse will stop her. No relationship in prior games? She hugs you and tries to come aboard the Normandy to have sex.
In general, it's due to just hacky writing and limited mechanics. Gale was really bad in BG3 until they patched him. If you weren't brutally mean to him constantly, he'd end up showing up in your bed at night.

>>718826835
That's usually what happens when the story is completely squandered in the finale.
See also: Game of Thrones

>>718826892
>hail and well met dragons and magic and swords and faggots and shit
>comparing it to heterosexual media

>>718826835
It happens when your franchise ends in a catastrophic failure, gets a sequel 5 years later, that is a soft reboot, that is also a catastrophic failure, and its return is 12 years after 2 catastrophic failures.
I had been saying for about 4-5 years before Veilguard came out that DA is a dead franchise, and people argued that if it's getting a game it's not dead, even though everyone could see it wasn't going to sell. Mass Effect is a dead franchise.

>>718826924
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Like, both GoT and DA had faggots in them.

>>718826973
Faggots are a prerequisite for fantasy. Even a man who only has sex or thoughts of females is a faggot by virtue of being in fantasy media.

>>718826769
The trilogy was at its most interesting when Shepard wasn't a militaryfag and was working for terrorists.
If they want to stick with the N7 nonsense then they are wasting the setting.

>>718827007
I disagree.
I love fantasy.
I have not once wanted to suck a dick.
Maybe you should find better fantasy to read.

>>718822467
Skill issue. Insanity in 2 was kino

>>718827065
I always felt Hackett was kind of asking a lot.
>I know you're a Spectre and all and Imma let you finish, but let me say that the Alliance has the best missions OF ALL TIME!"

>>718820906
for retards

>>718827192
To be far, you have to have a very high IQ to understand RPGs.

>>718827065
Here's the thing, right? After ME2, the franchise was so much more than Shepard. It was the worlds, the characters, the side characters, the biotics, the races etc. etc. etc.
After ME3, it's nothing. Like, getting a new N7 Spectre doing stuff in the Milky Way? So fucking what? If it's before ME3, none of it matters. If it's after ME3, it's non-viable for hundreds of years to distance itself from ME3 and Shepard, at which point it is a new setting altogether. At which point, fuck it, put it in Andromeda, nobody cares about either.
If the next game doesn't bring the crew back, with the ME2 benched squad mates, nobody is buying this thing.
Like, are we legitimately thinking that "new ME cast by Bioware" + Liara are going to get this game at 3m+ sales that it needs to hit as a minimum?
We haven't had a single good new squadmate in a Bioware game since ME2.

>>718827462
>words words words
Yeah, no. Nobody's reading your wall of text.

>>718827504
>Nobody's reading
Well of course, we're in a Mass Effect 2 thread after all.

>>718827065
>The trilogy was at its most interesting when Shepard wasn't a militaryfag and was working for terrorists.
No lmao

>>718823248
need me an alliance tomboy jersey bimbo

>>718826835
The series is a relic of outdated design that didn't survive the following decade
I could make a whole list but
>dialogue wheel
>morality system
>save importing
are the big ones
My personal favorite is the wheel. It was funny seeing every other developer borrow the wheel for like one game and then ditch it because it was a dumb fad. Meanwhile Bioware is still forcing it in Veilguard all these years later despite its issues

>>718827903
When people only concerned with money see a good game, they don't understand why it's good. They latch on to a surface level trait and try to emulate it.
That's part of the reason every game had to be a FPS for a while. Board members didn't understand why Quake and Unreal Tournament were good and popular; but they thought turning Command & Conquer, Commandos, and Metroid into FPSes would make them just as big.

>>718819537
MS1 was good but had lotsa jank from unrealized ideas. The whole planet "exploration" thing we got is not even a shadow of what they planned.

>>718812937 (OP)
Killing Shepard off in the beginning was so cruel and mean spirited I need to know who's idea it was. Then the rest of the series you play this weird cyborg Shepard who Bioware expects you to just except because lol like Jesus rose lol he's da shepherd haha

>>718827065
Exploring the galaxy, meeting people, and doing missions was the best part. If bioware had vision the second game would have been how you're the spectre and you pick your missions and you're trying to figure out the geth/reaper mystery

>>718812937 (OP)
Will there ever be another good ME effect game or is it over for the series?

>>718812937 (OP)
Yeah the entire story of 2 feels like a giant filler episode, it was a giant let down for me, massively wasted potential.

>>718828771
its over for every series, there's no talent left in the industry and that's ok I think. Every hobby goes through this cycle. Maybe something will change who knows.

>>718828603
>why did you bring me back? you could have hired an entire army with what you spent
>really? I wonder why I didn't do that instead...
>no refunds
>lol nvm i'll buy one anyway in the next game
Absolutely retarded writing

>>718828603
It's literally Shepard, his brain and everything

>>718829013
There's actually good reason to bring back Shepard. He had the conduit in his head, he's the first human spectre, and he's a beloved hero across the entire galaxy. Resurrecting Shepard and allying with him gives you an insane amount of resources, knowledge, and influence

>>718828603
I guess the idea was that they wanted an in-game reason why Shepherd could respec from your ME1 build to whatever in ME2. And wanted an in-game reason why the Normandy is so much bigger now. But they could have just handwaved it away and no one would have cared.

>>718813235
>not maladjusted
>seeking validation on 4chan and pretending it's 'gotcha'
lol
lmao

It’s a glorified Hollywood movie game with awful combat and daddy issues “side quests”

>>718827730
Listen, go make a video essay out of your Shamus Young cock sucking, if you want
Nobody's reading your fanfic

>>718827806
You say that, but ME2 was ME at its best.

>>718828713
>trying to figure out the geth/reaper mystery
That's not very interesting, though.

I'll never understand that people pick Ashley to survive Virmire.
Kaidan is a biotic, has been with Shep longer and is an officer. Its a nobrainer to have him work with the STG team.
Ashley is a dumb NCO and its frankly hilarious that the game expects you to buy her being a spectre. Also looks ridiculous in ME3

>>718830538
That's all true but Kaidan had Carth's voice actor so he needed to die.

>>718830413
I disagree. Spectre Shepard is best

>>718830280
>It’s a glorified Hollywood movie game
If only.
I tested action mode in ME3 out of curiosity and it had far better pacing and immersion without being interrupted by dialogue selection constantly.

>>718822723
Millenials first rpg. Sorry, you aren't that young

>>718830870
ME2 Shepard is still Spectre Shepard. I don't understand the issue.

>>718830946
>>I tested action mode in ME3
On the one hand, I'm thinking "oh shit, nigger, what are you doing?" but then I remember the dialogues in ME3 and maybe that wasn't such a bad idea.
At least Veilguard will remain unbeaten in the fact that it actually had "oof" as a dialogue option. Like, I don't think we can go lower than that.
But if we can, I trust Bioware to get us there with their next game.

>>718830538
It's simple. Ashley is a really fun character in 1 and there's also a 50% chance you're romancing her, meanwhile Kaidan is boring, uncharismatic, and weird.

>>718825486
its funny how to get the everyone dies ending you need to actually try
its really fucking hard to kill miranda

>>718823546
>gets the ick in 2 and 3 if your invisible friendship rating is too low (never explained)
What? I've never heard of this.

>>718831465
They were so close to having Miranda unkillable and set up for a guaranteed ME3 squad slot
If it wasn't for the platform death she would be in 100%

>>718831634
No, she wouldn't. Because the decision to cut her wasn't made on mortality rate, but for time. Jack and Miranda were supposed to be on the ship, but were cut for time, that much we know.

>>718831634
>>718831705
The ME3 party is so odd. Half of them are randoms and you get Tali when the game is pretty much over

>>718813235
I'll never not be mad. I'm not some wimp who forgets the shit you pulled.

>>718819765
Yeah but it was a really bad Gears of War clone

>>718831968
I hate how late you get Tali and the Vermire Survivor. Instead we are stuck with Pedro and fucking Liara from minute 1.

>>718831968
Not really, only Vega is random, and Javik, if you paid $10 extra to get him. Or played with the save editor. But even then, the party is basically Liara, Vega, Kaidan/Ashley and EDI for 50% of the game, and less than that for ~25% of it. To say that ME3's party is anemic, is an understatement.

I went into ME3 for the first time 10 years after the release. I knew all the ending memes and had low expectations. When I played it, it was even worse than I imagined. Absolute fucking slop. Didn't even bother to play any of the DLCs because I just could not be assed.

>>718831968
Having a party in a 30 hour game is retarded to start with
Like how many times are you going to use each ME2 squadmate? Twice?

>>718832412
>have 12 party members
>only use garrus/tali unless i'm forced to use someone else in a loyalty mission

>>718832547
I remember sticking with Liara/Garrus for most of ME3

>>718824556
>"but how will my time in Cerberus affect the plot going forward?"
turns out the answer is people bitch at you for doing it, and you can't even give an excuse like "i had no other choice". good writing there

>>718812937 (OP)
why oldfags consistently and keep saying 3 ruined everything? they should have seen it coming as 2 is literally nothing

>>718833186
Because they didn't give a fuck about the gay Reaper plot that was doomed to fail and it's not ME2's fault that the third game was stuck dealing with it

>>718833186
I was fucking retarded kid and thought ea will squeeze out their cow to 6 like cod

>>718833186
ME2's issues only really become apparent on subsequent playthroughs and when you think about it. It does a very good job of making you immersed and lost in the moment so you fail to realise how railroaded the story is and the lack of any actual RPG mechanics. Plus a bunch of people joined the franchise with ME2 so they had no idea that ME1 ended with Shepard searching for ways to stop the Reapers instead of getting raped by Collectors.

>>718833186
>>718833404
>>718833546
>>718833635
I'll explain it for you as an actual oldfag, we knew it was shit.
We hated that it ripped out all the RPG features, we were ignored because EA bought out game journalism. You fags who enjoy those games as kids were the people we hated for buying them.
I got mass effect 1 when kids in my school said there was too much talking. You guys bought ME2 because it had shooty bang bang.

>>718830538
i used to pick kaidan but then he started hitting on shepard in 3

>>718833726
oh ok

>>718819678
Spotted the me2 tranny
How's dilation going? Hole still bleeding?

>>718833818
Ashley looks like a literal tranny in 3. So pick your poison

>>718818432
go back to border

>>718813381
I feel like they could've easily fixed this by keeping most of ME2 the same, but instead of needing to go to the collector base to only stop them from collecting humans, there should've been the first part or plans for the catalyst from 3. But that would mean they needed to know what 3 was going to be about, and I don't think they planned that far ahead.

>>718833726
>I got mass effect 1 when kids in my school said there was too much talking
Based kids in your school
Who the fuck wants to hear Tali read out codex entries and choose out of 3 paraphrases that all have you say the same boring line
Give me the fucking GAMEPLAY

>>718830475
the collectors are the least interesting villains of all time though

>>718812937 (OP)
kino

>>718830376
>someone brings up good arguments
>DIDN'T LISTEN, NOBODY IS READING

Mass Effect 2 fans.

>>718812937 (OP)
test

>>718834893
Don't fucking test me, bitch.

>>718834225
>WHY IS THERE TALKING IN MY RPG
>WHY IS THIS CHARACTER TALKING ABOUT THEIR BACKSTORY WHEN I ASKED THEM ABOUT THEIR BACKSTORY

>>718834225
Why play Mass Effect if you're not interested in the story? If it's all about the gameplay, there are better shooters out there.

>>718834225
>>718834113

>>718812937 (OP)
Yvonne is the only good thing about this retarded space jesus saga so I like ME2 the most

>>718812937 (OP)
Only thing that was set up is an unsatisfying continuation. Mass Effect 2 correctly reversed course and gave us 7 Samurai in Space kino

>>718827336
Wut

Could have a game of Rachni wars where you play as turians and krogans.
Could have a game of first contact war.
Hell, just a smaller scope game of intrigue on Illium would be cool.

People would buy them because Mass Effect as a setting is still beloved.

Whose best girl to cheat on Ashley with?

>>718835971
Cerberus cheerleader to rub it in.

>>718832547
I use Jack and Miranda.

>>718834227
Less interesting than the ones you can't even shoot? In a TPS?

>>718834872
Nobody cares about your retarded fanfic
Go to Ao3 and post it. Maybe some landwhale will read it there.

>>718834975
Tali is not interesting.

>>718835579
Amen to that, brother. Her banter with Jack carried the franchise for me.

>>718835927
Less than 500k copies sold, studio shuttered the next day.
Next idea.

just scrap everything.
make indoctrination theory real
play new game as shepard again
destroy is canon

there, I "saved" the franchise for you

>>718838339
They can't make Indoctrination Theory real.
They'd owe you a real ending to ME3, which would be invalidating 17 years of canon, by the time the next game is out.
Like, they could have done this 12 years ago, but chose not to, intentionally. It's over now.

>>718838006
Yes, really. What made the Reapers cool and mysterious is that they weren't typical sci-fi shooter villains. They were a sentient and intelligent race of spaceships with tentacles that commit mass genocide every 50k years or so. Mass Effect was trying to mix Star Trek with Cthulhu so the whole "we can't beat them with guns" makes sense for both genres. It made you wonder what their reasons to commit mass genocide were and how to stop them, if they could be stopped. Maybe they could be reasoned with. Maybe they had a good reason for doing it.

The Collectors just aren't characterized in any way. They're generic space bugs that kidnap humans, and the only reason they even get away with it is because the Alliance has a severe case of dumbbrain syndrome and they either can't help because those humans are outside of Alliance space who intentionally left, but another scene shows them sending Kashley and a bunch of guns so apparently they can help but not very well? Either way it's lame how factions besides Cerberus just had to go full retard so the Collectors could be an actual threat, but what's lamer nobody in the story really talks about the Collectors in any way but the functional ("Shepard, go here and stop the bugs while I smoke my hourly fifth pack"). Nobody shares any stories about them and none of the sideplots are about them either. In this game about collecting a huge cast of team members, none of them have a single sidequest about a missing relative or friend or whatever. It's baffling. The Collectors are a complete nothing because they simply aren't built up in any way. Even 2D platformers like Mario and Sonic build up their main villain much better than this RPG from a developed famed for their writing.

https://youtu.be/NcrDWAuyqtc?si=DqoIH4JJ-RVstnOy
Bros.....will we ever get this much SOVL?

>>718831634
There's no point to her being part of the crew since she'll always be a Cerberus cheerleading bitch.

Unlike the others she has literally zero ties to the Alliance.

Bioware squandered her, she was a 12/10 during her time and was the best squadmate ever.

>>718831968
da reapers are cooming
no point forming a large team like in me2
garrus and james are all you'll ever need
even in me2 they put tali after halfway through the game

>>718835971
She gets immensely butthurt with Liara and Miranda
Has a generic line with Jack
Doesn't really care if you romanced Tali

Bad gaem

>>718836516
Miranda as an idea is really hot, I just hate her character model's face

>>718838339
>indoctrination theory
wait so it's canon that after beam stuff actually happens? i kinda always thought it was some kinda of near death hallucination for shep, none of that shit looked like real events

LE cut out Miranda's ass and Kelly's lap dance

they should have just ditched the entire Reaper arc at the end of ME1 (well, we stopped them, they won't be back for at least a 10000 years it takes for them to arrive in sublight speed from the void, who cares) and just focus on ME2 with some inner galactic politics, like for example they hype up Terminus systems as this big rival to Council, only for you to realize it's just bunch of shitty merc pirate bands that don't even matter that much and no one cares about them.

>>718812937 (OP)
yes, the writing in 2 was an enormous step down from 1.

>>718821112
>3
they really are retarded.

The Reapers arrived too fast unless Sovereign sent out one last signal before dying.

Normandy SR-1 gets ambushed not long after the Battle of Citadel Shepard, gets spaced and revived in a span of 2 years.

The entirety of ME2 could be chalked up as a year long mission, then Shepard gets incarcerated for like 8 months.

Wrex was too based and busted they turned him into a kang instead of a potential squadmate and the omission and character change of Liara was a mistake in 2

>>718826140
most of what you just mentioned was setup by the first game.
did you even play the first game?

>>718831705
jack would never leave her students and miranda has no ties to the alliance
there's no excuse for not adding grunt back though considering any choice will wipe out his squad
at least mordin has the excuse of being old and relegated as the scientist working on the cure

>>718838480
But guess what, turns out the Reapers were idiots, created by an idiot, that was trusted by more idiots.
That's the Reaper lore as of ME3.
So, whatever idea you had in your head about the Reapers, all headcanon.

Should I play the trilogy?

Long ago I played ME1 and enjoyed it.

>>718840713
Some retard wrote a bunch of dumb shit and passed it as a sequel to a story I love, I'm aware. Doesn't mean the idea and setup weren't cool

>>718840797
If you mean LE, yeah sure

Play it on Insanity

>>718828830
Skyrim "filler" missions also are better than the main one. Just because something is the main plot doesn't mean it'll be better than the side ones

>>718840214
No, it isn't. At no point does Wrex go "I'll go be king of Tuchanka now"
All we've heard about the genophage is that it can't be cured, and the ... what was it? The Elcor Combine? That was hired to do it failed as well, and the Krogan couldn't even get their money back. There was no headway made into the genophage cure arc, only hindrances.
No headroom was made between the Quarians and the Geth other than establishing that they hate each others guts, and that the Geth are a galactic level threat.

>>718840403
>>jack would never leave her students
She wasn't even supposed to be a teacher. She had a redesign and an illustration of her on the table next to the galaxy map. Miranda would be vital because you're fighting Cerberus, and guess who worked there? Miranda. In fact, we have on-disc content with Miranda that we restored in a mod, that puts her back in the game. It isn't very good, but she was factually going to be in the squad.

>>718830538
Kaidan is so boring that I unironically thought he would die in the first mission alongside that random soldier that gets gunned down by drones

>>718840864
I don't care, man. It's been 15 years since ME2, and 13 since ME3. Like, I don't even care what ME3 did, or didn't do anymore. I'm over it. What matters is coming back with a game in the franchise that isn't something that we collectively forget it ever happened, like Andromeda, Anthem, DA2, Inquisition and Veilguard.

>>718826835
Shit ending, they've squandered and wasted the IP.

For shekels they threw on Andromeda they could have properly rewritten ME3.

>>718840959
>genophage, quarian vs geth conflict, cerberus, AND Wrex wanting to change his entire culture
All set up in the first game.
stop trying to cope and say it doesnt count because 2 built a little more off of what ME1 SETUP ORIGINALLY, but didn't have the balls to finish

Wrex came out of Mass effect 1 after a failed attempt at BEING the leader of his clan because he wanted to change all krogans and having sex instead of continuing to fight was cringe to them.
that sets him up to become a leader, stupid.

you DIDNT play the game, did you?

Zoomers missed out on the kino of 1 and played 2 when they were 9-10 and were teenagers when 3 came out

>>718841242
>All set up in the first game.
In ME1, all these are just codex entries.
Shit that happened in the setting, and are part of the worldbuilding.
If none of the things that ME2 did matter, then none of the things that ME3 did matter, because we already knew we would be solving those issues at some point, and ME1 did all the work, because it introduced them, and no other content matters.
None of the plot points in ME3 mean anything, without ME2's involvement. Everything comes out of the blue. I've had a conversation with an anon that did jump from ME1 to ME3 and was utterly lost with the plot, the characters, the issues etc. exactly because he skipped ME2, because he believed the bullshit like >>718813381
The worst thing, is that either you are lying, and keep saying these things, full well knowing you're making an argument to the detriment of everyone else around you, or you are a legit moron that believes it.

>>718841824
>just codex entries.
Those are like 90% of Wrex and Tali's dialogues, retard.

>>718841824
>In ME1, all these are just codex entries.
holy shit you didn't play the game lmao
congratulations on being wrong, nigger.
So you are just one of those faggot kids who played from 2 onwards, got it.
>"blah blah blah 3 needs 2 because wah wah wah"
you are coping over 2 building off of what 1 set up and 2 couldnt finish.
AGAIN.

>>718841975
there is NO WAY he played mass effect 1.

>>718813235
>People talking about videogames in the videogames board
>"Woooah, you guys are seething real hard huh?"
Go back to your paypig gacha threads and stay there

>>718841975
Yes. And it's all codex entries.
That's what I mean, this is background noise, part of the world building. These things aren't part of a plot. At no point does Shepard get involved with the Quarians to take back Rannoch, or actually finding a cure for the genophage. And the one time he does come across a potential cure, he loses his shit at the idea of it.
None of these are any headroom into these plots, which aren't even plots at the time of ME1.
ME2 turns them into plots, and establishes them as key issues that will have a culmination and an impact, depending on the result, in whatever would happen with the Reapers in the future. Thane was supposed to get cured at some point, instead of jobbing to Kai Leng. And EDI was going to get a robot body. ME2 sets up a ton of things. Just because an plot has a middle point that you don't recognize, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Again, you're either a liar, or a moron. Which is it?

>>718842469
>dialogue is now codex entries
this level of cope is beyond normal.
indoctrination?

>>718842469
>At no point does Shepard get involved with the Quarians to take back Rannoch
moving the goalpost.
you set things up for the conflict in ME1 by fighting the fucking geth and having a quarian in your party, stupid.
>or actually finding a cure for the genophage. >And the one time he does come across a potential cure, he loses his shit at the idea of it.
so he never finds the cure, but also he does find the cure and "loses his shit"
shut the FUCK up nigger lmao you don't even know the plot to ME1 holy shit.

Which one do you prefer, maleshep or femshep?

>>718842592
Alright, liar it is.

>>718842469
>"potential cure"
That wasnt a potential cure, it was functioning and being used to breed an army.
Where the fuck are you pulling this nonsense from?

>>718842803
Only one lying here is you.
You don't actually seem to know anything about mass effect 1 and are just making shit up about things you heard about it.
Why are you lying about knowing anything relevant to this discussion, liar?

>>718842898
I've been playing Bioware games since 1998.
I find it hilarious that you would accuse me of such a thing.
But I know your tactics.
Everyone knows that in ME1 the characters are, basically, walking codices, and serve as a way to introduce you to their race, culture, customs, and politics. Which is why most of the characters didn't actually have any substance in them until ME2. This is a fact. Now, if you don't like people calling the ME1 cast walking codices, that's a you problem. I suggest you deal with it.

>>718843152
>I've been playing Bioware games since 1998.
lie
>I find it hilarious that you would accuse me of such a thing.
lie
>But I know your tactics.
lie
>Everyone knows
meaning rumors you picked up secondhand.
>This is a fact
lie
damn.
you really ARE just a liar.

>>718843152
Shut uuuup

>>718826835
Which ones? Mass Effect is still pretty big and gets a ton of new players every year. Check YouTube for how many playthroughs were started in recent years

>>718841975
2 is a piece of shit but he's right to some degree, there's a difference between making backstory for the universe like in 1 to actually making that lore a focus of the story. Just because Wrex says he wants the genophage cured in 1 doesn't mean it's a serious plot consideration whereas in 2 he's shown in a position of power, focusing on science over war and Mordin's quest shows there's actual research going into it. Same with Tali, she mentions the war on the geth but there's never any real thought put forward into how it would be stopped beyond hoping she finds something on her pilgrimage

>>718843595
>Just because Wrex says he wants the genophage cured in 1 doesn't mean it's a serious plot consideration
nigger you literally face off against him and can kill him over it.
what the FUCK are you talking about?

>>718843595
>never any real thought put forward into how it would be stopped
did you miss how the geth in ME1 were shown to have teamed up with the reapers?
that effectively pits the entire fucking civilization against them and gives them reason to move against the geth.
did you MISS how 90% of what you fight in mass effect 1 are GETH?

>>718843267
>addressed 0 points
>accuse others of being liars
Just an FYI, this is the oldest Bioware product I had available to me, at arm's length.
Show me yours.

/v/ tries so hard to make 2 hate seem like it's actually real

>>718843951
>addressed 0 points
another lie, and a projection.
>downloaded someone's picture of baldurs gate TWICE
nice job giving away how you got that picture, dumbass.

You never played mass effect 1.
You can't get anything about it correct.

>>718812937 (OP)
Yeah it was a big disappointment despite actually being a decent game.

>>718813235
The me2 tranny back to defend the franchise killer

>>718844059
It's just a couple of contrarians triyng to get anons riled up.

>>718844201
you mean >>718844167

>>718844072
OK, so you are both a liar and moron.
Show me where I got it from, if you're so great.
Surely, if I can find a picture of Tales of the Sword coast so readily, so can you.
Also, look at the date and time.
But that doesn't suit your argument, does it?
You fucking moron.

>>718812937 (OP)
>sets nothing up
thats me1 thougheverbeit

>>718844059
I love ME2 but recognise it has serious issues. Being strong-armed into working for Cerberus and the shit dialogue system was just a warning of things to come. I'm still annoyed by Horizon and the stupid shit they pulled.

>>718844267
>faggot STILL avoids the subject of never playing mass effect 1
so you are the ME2 tranny then.

I don't have to find where you downloaded it from.
its probably some shit from reddit.

you never played mass effect 1, and you are lying and bullshitting to cover for not being able to get shit like the genophage correct.

>>718844464
>the shit dialogue system
It's the same as ME1.
At least it still has 3 choices, unlike ME3.

>>718844547
That's not the picture I posted.
Gonna wait some more.

>>718844610
>That's not the picture I posted.
>Gonna wait some more.
moving the goalposts again
>avoids the subject of not playing mass effect 1 AGAIN
caught in the act lmao

>>718844547
Goddamn they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel for cover art on that one.

>>718843635
Saren's cure in 1 isn't involved in the cure in 3, at best it shows that it CAN be cured but there's no set up as to how it could be used, the facility is destroyed and that's the end of it. If Wrex had used it as a catalyst for uniting the tribes or if he saved some research from the facility you'd have a better point

>>718843790
They were just used as soldiers, they basically take a backseat plotwise once it's revealed they're being manipulated by the Reapers, there's no big plan for how they would be defeated. I don't think 2 goes into it particually well either but it's shown more consideration with the Admirals discussing potential war and retaking their planet and Legion showing that there are renegade geth

>>718844670
You claimed my picture is fake.
My picture isn't named "file.jpg".
You made a claim, surely you can prove that claim. You make claims that are fake out of your ass, would you? Because you don't lie, do you, anon? You're not a liar, right? Surely you can prove where I got that picture from.

>>718844785
>Saren's cure in 1 isn't involved in the cure in 3
cope, moving goalposts. point was that the genophage was setup.
>They were just used as soldiers
cope, moving the goalpost to avoid the point entirely
they were setup as a major problem to be dealt with as an ongoing active threat
>>718844806
>You claimed my picture is fake.
no, I said you downloaded it from somewhere
this isn't just moving the goalposts, this is straight up LYING again.

seethe, trannies.

>>718844610
>It's the same as ME1
Yeah it was always a problem desu. The industry claimed it was better than the options we used to have but it wasn't. I'll never forget how the first thing you say to Ashely after 2 years of being dead is "It's been too long."

>>718844917
>>no, I said you downloaded it from somewhere
Great.
Where did I download it from? Surely you can prove your claim. After all, how long did I have to look for it on the internet, find it, rename it, and post it? Should be easily found. Surely, you of all people, that made the claim that I stole it, faked it, AI'd it, whatever, can prove that claim you made. Surely.

>>718845118
>tranny having a meltdown because I keep coming back to how he is moving goalposts, lying, coping, and didn't play mass effect 1
already answered, you were too assblasted to notice.

>>718844939
The dialogue wheel, as a novelty, was kinda OK for ME1, and I even liked how Obsidian used it for Alpha Protocol, but there's a reason nobody else's used it in 10 years+.
It's because it's shit

>>718845179
>already answered, you were too assblasted to notice.
Oh, you answered. You showed the link where I got the picture from?
Where? I missed it. Be a dear and point me to it, would you?

>>718845261
so you are so angry you broke the scroll wheel and your up arrow key?
should I play mass effect 1 for you as well so someone who actually knows it can weigh in on-
oh wait thats RIGHT, I did, and have been.

>>718845271
>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO SAVE US AFTER WE DID NOTHING THE ENTIRE GAME
>HOW DARE YOU CHOOSE TO KILL THE REAPER INSTEAD OF SAVING US
Fuck the Council. My only regret is that we are forced to act sad about Thessia. Those blue tentacled freaks deserved extinction more than any other species.

>>718845348
Alright, I have one more for you.
Where did I steal this one from, anon?

>>718844917
>point was that the genophage was setup
No shit, I never denied that, what I'm denying is that a realistic cure wasn't setup, Saren's cure comes out of nowhere, becomes a non-factor plotwise once the facility is destroyed and is offered no explanation as to how it was made beyond some random Krogan scientist that gets one line of dialogue before you kill him. And yes the geth were setup as a threat but where is the consideration in 1 for how they would be defeated completely. Again the original point is that there's a difference between backstory and plot, "genophage is bad and the krogan don't like it" and "the geth are a threat" is backstory but considering how quick you are to just say cope and call people trannies I think you're just arguing for the sake of it

>>718845690
>moving goalposts, the post
skip
>>718845668
congrats. now try PLAYING IT, dumbass.

>>718845760
>>congrats. now try PLAYING IT, dumbass.
Oh, so NOW I am not lying. Not only that, but I have the ORIGINAL 2008 PC release case, but I never played it? Because that's what I do, buy random Bioware games, that I never play, right?
Blow it out your ass.

>>718845553
>has the Prothean AI all along
>don't share it until the last moment
TAD

>>718845856
>blah blah cope over not playin
skip
you don't know the plot of mass effect 1, this is well established.
play the game, tranny.

>>718845919
>>you don't know the plot of mass effect 1, this is well established.
No, that is a claim you made, much like many other claims you made, that can't be established.
Keep crying, bitch nigga.

>>718845887
>pass galactic law to force all other races to share their beacons and data
>purposely hide yours
I fucking hate everything about that section. From Liara acting like banshees are something special to having to comfort the stupid bitch afterwards. I should have been able to throw her out the airlock.

>>718846020
>"nooo this is a cla-"
skip
>keep cr-
skip
you fucked up every detail about mass effect 1 you tried to talk about, and refused to even try to argue over those details.
instead you tried to establish some bullshit "authority" by trying to claim you were playing bioware since 1998.
you didn't even dare claim you played mass effect 1.
you KNEW you didn't actually know anything about it.

>>718846214
>I should have been able to throw her out of the airlock.
t. Prothy the Prothean

>>718846253
BITCH nigga

>>718846308
>ZERO arguments, only insults
>still doesn't dare say he played the game directly
skip

>>718846380
>ZERO arguments
>literally outright made false claims
>got owned
>resorted to more personal attacks
MEGA bitch nigga

>>718846434
>projection and anger over getting owned
skip

So how common are schizos like this ME2 faggot who couldn't remember SHIT about ME1?

>>718846572
I'm gonna be honest, I haven't even read what you posted, 3-4 times now
I ain't even counting
I just see you being an even bigger bitch nigga, and double down, and keep pushing your buttons.

>>718846272
Javik was based. He was one of the only good companions ME3 had.

>>718846642
>I'm gonna be hone-
lie, skip.

>>718846694
Super bitch nigga-jin 3

>>718846760
skip :)

>>718846791
Just admit you lied. It'd be much easier.

>>718846827
>just ad-
skip :D

>>718846851
Ultra instinct bitch nigga

>>718846895
>ult-
skip :-)

>>718846919
Alright. I gave you plenty of chances, bitch.
Be a bitch nigga.

>>718846964
>I gave you plenty of-
aaaand skip

all the mass effect games are good
1 is good
2 is good
3 is good
except for the last 15 minutes, that's utter dogshit
the happy ending mod fixes it up enough though
I will now count the seethe to this post

>>718846657
Don't like the Nigerian prince accent tho

>>718821704
Same.

People also neglect to tpoint out the decline in the quality of the music.
ME1 = Synth, all kinds of great tracks.
ME2 = Synth and orchestral, only good msic is suicide mission.
ME3 = More orchestral shit, little synth. Boring and generic.

ME1 just had more soul. I loved not just the synth music, but the fact my guys were running around in bright coloured, plastic looking space suits while romancing aliens.

ME2 also introduced cringe characters like Jack. Meanwhile ME1 had you visiting compounds ran by biomic cultists and dudes with PTS as creepy music played

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37WL8SdFYE4&list=RD37WL8SdFYE4&start_radio=1

ME1 had better writing, gameplay and music.

>>718847060
3's story falls apart far earlier than the last 15 minutes.

>>718847060
>Shepard, I managed to find this device that can defeat the Reapers in the 6 months you were in prison whilst also being the Shadow Broker
ME3 was bad from the beginning but most people aren't ready to admit that.

Just so you know, now every time I come across you, I will remind you how much of a bitch nigga you were today, bitch nigga
The day Bitch Nigga got BTFO'd so much, he had to hide the arguments in his own replies, because he's such a bitch nigga, that thought he can somehow hide from people how much of a bitch nigga he is.

>>718839108
core zoomer memory

>>718847672
ME3's story fell apart at "we fight or we die".
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>718813235
that's exactly why its my favorite

>>718846253
>people must remember every miniscule little detail of a game they last played 15 years ago.
If you clenched your ass any tighter, you could condense your shit into a diamond.

>>718812937 (OP)
And yet it's still the best game in the series, impressive.

>>718847995
But there was no little detail. Bitch nigga just didn't like how I called his ME1 characters as walking codex entries. It's a claim many an anon has made before, and I agree, but to him, that means I didn't play the game.
It's like going around saying that people that call the SR2 the SSV-Daddy Issues, haven't played ME2. It's not true, in my opinion, but I understand that people feel that way.

Mass Effect 1
Mass Deffect 2
Ass Effect 3

>>718848495
>Ass Effect 3
I wish it was Ass Effect.
The best ass of the franchise wasn't even in the game.

>>718813381
How is this pointless? Literally the pic shows the point of the arc. Everything in ME2 makes sense
If anything ME1 part of exporan galaxy is mirrored in ME2 when looking at entire trilogy
It's the getting stronger and assembling a team part many stories have in the middle
ME1 ME2 ME3 were great with the exception of the tri color ending, the rest is zoomer retconning
>2-3-A
>A
You have terrible taste

Kai Leng is worse than anything in 2

>>718848582
>sneaking 3 in as "great"
Fuck off.

>>718848578
But she was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvO5QkZKSI8

>>718849089
She has a total audio runtime of something like 20 minutes? With all the extras and secrets.
She's basically not in the game.
Not as bad as Jack that has a total of 1:57, but bad nonetheless.

>>718848989
Hez a supar ninja!11! that was immediately less of a threat after dealing with clone shepard lol

>>718848989
literal "YOU DIDNT WIN I WAS JUST OFF MY GAME" donutsteel

>>718849013
It is great. It's not perfect but that's because of shit at the very end and arguably the rachni queen. In retrospect 3 is not ruined because of a 5 minute sequence at the end, and really it didn't even need a choice at the ending, ME3 is fine as many paths leading to the same anti reaper goal.
But fine, at the time I got angry at 3 too, but 2 was never bad, companions were beloved (here as well). It's character development, you need to like the companions before you move on. Literally nothing wrong with the detour. And Andromeda is a ME game as much as 76 is fallout - buying the IP doesn't mean that what you shit out is actual canon.

>>718849089
I never really got the hype around Miranda. I always thought her face was weird.
>>718849249
I think everyone got fucked voiceline wise except for Liara since you get her on Mars.

>>718849331
3 is not great in any sense. The whole game is ass for the most part outside the moment to moment shooting, which is unfortunately the best of the trilogy. All the plot points are stupid or boring, the general story is braindead retarded, and the characters are almost never interesting. I hate this stupid revisionist history regarding 3, as if it's not trash just because shit like Andromeda is worse.

>>718813316
>How so? it sets it up perfectly
Not really. The game ends without setting anything up other than "Reapers are, indeed, still coming". 2 should've been spent trying to figure prepare for the invasion itself/finding a way to stop it. That way you don't have to pull The Crucible out of your ass five minutes into 3

>>718812937 (OP)
Do regular retards not understand that every reaper was supposed to be an effigy of a different species, then when ME3 was put on such a short dev timeline they had to scrap that to save time and pretend they'd always meant for them all to look like squids despite that directly contradicting the human reaper of ME2?

>>718849441
>>I think everyone got fucked voiceline wise except for Liara since you get her on Mars.
I don't mind that people that like Liara got what they wanted. That's not my issue. I wish everyone got enough time with a squadmate of their choice. And even then, obviously one squadmate would get a few minutes more over the other, and one would maybe get 10-15-30 minutes more, than the one with the least content, right? Liara had something like 5 hours worth of lines, and Jack had less than 2 minutes. A returning LI. Like, fix your fucking disparity issues, Bioware. Goddamn.

>>718849516
Nobody forced them to end it on 3, they just didn't want to spend money on making PS4 generation assets and they thought they still had the magic to make new IP.

>>718849704
i am so glad my femshep fucked the blueberry. it sounds like hell to pick literally anyone else

>>718849502
At the time I was furious but that was because of the ending and rachni queen. And fine, I concede if you'd like, it was weaker, I hated the asian guy, my point was more about ME2.
But I do think - and yeah it is revisionist - that we didn't know how good we have it and looking back the entire series is definitely great as a whole, and ME3 is just the weakest link, not a disaster.

>>718849759
>femshep
I will never understand you mother fuckers

>>718849941
Krogan cock...so good

>>718849747
Wasn't it always marketed as a trilogy

>>718849981
It was ,don't listen to this moron

>>718849981
Do you know how many games there are in the Kingdom Hearts trilogy? Or the Assassins Creed trilogy?

>>718849981
They said it offhandedly in a few interviews but they had no serious plans for how to end it. Zero people would have complained or been bothered if they altered the marketing and they could still be making sequels now.

>>718849697
>Do regular retards not understand that every reaper was supposed to be an effigy of a different species, then when ME3 was put on such a short dev timeline they had to scrap that to save time and pretend they'd always meant for them all to look like squids
Do we know that that was always the intent before 2? The Reapers, through Sovereign, were presented as squid-like because they were inspired by Lovecraft. I always assume that was how they all looked, until 2 introduced the human Reaper nonsense

>>718849704
>fix your fucking disparity issues
The devs did it on purpose because Liara was their favourite which is why she got her own dedicated DLC and multiple plotlines revolving around her. I'm pretty sure Tali's dev had to force them to bring her back as a companion hence why she shows up so late. I just wanted more time with companions I actually liked not even the romances.
>>718849981
Well it was originally written as a one-off but after ME1's success they made a sequel. I believe Casey Hudson wanted to go all in on the trilogy and also wanted them to launch on the same console generation. They could have had more games and I guarantee EA would have let them but Hudson was a retard.

People forget Mass Effect 2 had a tight schedule the first game didn't have, and it was way worse with the third game.

ME2 and ME3 could've been better had EA not interfered

>>718812937 (OP)
It was great for world building tho

https://youtu.be/tY8Kw5zva3g

>>718850424
Mass Effect was developed in late 2003 and released in 2005.

Mass Effect 2 had 3 years of development.

>>718850392
>Well it was originally written as a one-off
I don't believe that, I played it at launch but don't really remember what the discussion was like at that time but just from playing it I knew they'd continue with it because there was obvious decisions with no immediate pay-off like with the Rachni. I think it was Dragon Age they didn't expect to expand on which is why the plot there is more self-contained and even had to get retconned with some of the ending slides

>>718850638
It was released in November 2007, not 2005.

>>718850392
>>The devs did it on purpose because Liara was their favourite which is why she got her own dedicated DLC and multiple plotlines revolving around her
The last thing this franchise needs, is for Liara to come play Gandalf the Blue. She may be the devs' favourite, but she's not that great, especially if it has to always come at the expense of everyone else. That's not a trade off.

>I'm pretty sure Tali's dev had to force them to bring her back as a companion
That's "Trick" Weekes. He also (co)wrote Taash from Veilguard. He also vetod to kick Jack off the squad, in favor of Tali.

>>718850392
>Well it was originally written as a one-off but after ME1's success they made a sequel
I find that hard to believe, given the story that the entire game sets up. Its ending very clearly screams that the Reapers are still coming, and that's ignoring the other mysteries introduced, like the Rachni and Geth

>>718850424
ME3 should have been delayed, and been a launch title for the XBONE/PS4.
Instead we got shit like Inquisition.

>>718850864
Based Padok Wiks

>>718850864
EA's company mentality mentally broke this poor guy, had the other writers stay they would've ended up like this faggot

>>718814802
These are all at best minor nods to ME1. Wrex & the survivor are barely relevant to ME2. The collectors were literally made up on the spot and their only purpose is to replace geths as human-sized grunts to shoot at.

Yeah ME2 doesn't toss everything out in the sense that it didn't remove all the characters and locations from ME1 but it ignored basically everything Shepard accomplished and started over with a new faction, a new ship, a (mostly) new crew and a new-ish antagonist.

>>718850678
>>718850893
The reaper thing was left open to give them somewhere to go in case they sold enough to make a sequel. Maybe they did want to make a trilogy but the 100% had no idea what the reapers were, their motivations or what they wanted to do next. Do you really think that a planned trilogy would space Shepard, get rid of his entire crew and make him work with a terrorist organisation from the first game then retcon that organisation again to be a military powerhouse capable of assaulting the STG in the 3rd one?
>>718850864
Bioware's writers really became massive fags over time. I hate they wasted the Shadow Broker to shill how Liara is actually this super cool information broker.

>>718851159
Every Bioware writer is already like this. Why do you think we got faggot Shepard in ME3?

>>718851285
I'm not denying that they didn't have the whole trilogy thought out, or considering how it turned out even planned that well but the guy was saying it didn't have to end on 3 but I'm pretty sure they always intended to end it there. I think the problem is they also decided to end everything they had already set up, did they really have to cure the genophage, stop the geth/quarian war and explain the protheans in one game, they could leave a little mystery in the universe

>>718851734
SSSTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>718851779
Let's not kid ourselves. At that point, Bioware were already creatively bankrupt. Drew's writing was shit, he actually stole ideas from Mac Walters, to put in his books, then Drew was moved to ToR which was floundering, to try and get it out the door, DA was lucky to have one good entry and even Awakening was showing signs of shitty writing, and the writers having no idea what to do with the consequences of their own writing.
ME2 is the best it would ever get, and by 2011, that time was long gone, and the quality was way down.

Do I need to post Mirandas just to keep the thread alive?

>>718853271
There ain't much that's SFW

>>718853335
At least, not stuff that I haven't posted before, and as far back as 2012.

>>718853404
And even then, most of this stuff is AI.

>>718853468
You guys wanna guess why?

>>718853539
If you answered "because it's a dead franchise", congratulations, you won.

>>718853638
It's really quite amazing how there hasn't been a suitable substitute for any of these characters, since 2010.

BARREN

>>718851779
It also didn't help that they kept spamming that "Every decision matters" and that no ending would be the same as part of their advertising. As for intentions it doesn't matter. When it became obvious that the series couldn't be ended in a satisfying state without a 4th or 5th game they should have done so. I wonder whether bioware will finally be taken out back with the new ME game.

>>718848582
See, you would be correct and not a complete fucking retard except for 1 thing: the team you assembled in ME3, yeah, they ALL fuck off except Garrus and Tali, in ME3. Meaning that assembling that team of 12 people was completely fucking pointless. It did nothing. Their cameos in 3 could have been replaced or written out entirely and nothing would have fucking changed because the cameos were so entirely inconsequential except for, arguably, Mordin's, but his cameo was completely fucking retarded regardless.

>>718853731
Neither the Expanse game, nor the Exodus game have any character that looks any better than the ones from Outer Worlds 2. Like, they all need serious work to be viable, from the looks department alone.

>>718853998
And don't mention Cyberpunk. None of it works.
The one chick that had potential in that game, they made her a DLC character that they just killed off.

>>718854123
Or am I supposed to believe that NOW Bioware will get their shit together and introduce a new cast, full of lovable, memorable characters that will measure up with even a smidgen of the trilogy cast? Like, let's be real here.

>>718812937 (OP)
And yet tasteless people hail it as one of the greatest games of all time.
It's stripped down RPG and pales in comparison to its predecessor.
Poor man's Gears of War with some RPG elements. Fuck ME2.

>>718854274
It's gonna be a Karen's wet dream, with danger hairs, faggots and niggers, all telling you about how toxic and wrong men are.

>>718853951
You're right to be mad about it, but I think your way of thinking is in the reverse.

>>718854626
Bioware's only chance at a sale, is bringing back Shepard and the crew. Frankly, I think its too late. Like, at the prospect of waiting 4 years to get even that, is 10 years too late already.

>>718854301
Bitch nigga! You're back!

>>718854829
I know some of you will say "if the gameplay is good", and it may as well be, like, good for you. But if you've bought into the franchise for the shooting, this is the wrong franchise for it.

>>718854960
Because, like Andromeda proved, the moment to moment pew pew isn't enough to carry a game, where you're saddled with the dumbest, gayest, worst fucking characters in gaming. It's just not enough.

>>718855072
At this point, even I don't know what I'm expecting.

>>718855139
Is even bringing these characters back gonna have the desired effect on the fanbase?
Not talking as a quality of content, just the mere announcement.

>>718812937 (OP)
It's called world building

>>718855324
Most fans of the series have moved on, or given up on gaming entirely, by now. New "fans" don't even know, let alone care about Bioware, or Mass Effect. They just bought the LE on sale, because some boomer told them it was fun, and moved on with their lives after going "yeah, it was good".

>>718855514
I'm not even talking about the fabrication that is the "modern audience".

>>718832412
why cant you date the gook ninja

>>718855612
I don't see this franchise having much room to go anywhere, even with these characters.

>>718855839
You're not Jacob. I'm not even taking the piss, she's either crying over her dead ai boyfriend or simping over Jacob.

liara romance is the fucking worst
they spent two games and a whole dlc trying to build it up and yet somehow it's more boring that a quick fuck with jack
also her head looks like she's got some serious skin issues why did they do that

>>718855851
Like, unless I get some sloppy toppy from Jack, Miranda and Samara, like I'm Mike Adriano, I don't see what Bioware can do with Mass Effect to get me back, at least.

Wrex gets really pissed if you let the Rachni queen live. Someone should tell him it won't matter if I kill her because they will
miraculously show back up in ME3 anyway.

>>718856069
So they're gonna have to find a figurative way to serve me that.

>>718856162
At the very least, I hope they can give me some next gen updated models of the characters, and somehow that refreshes their R34 scene. Otherwise, fuck it.

>>718856292
Whatever, that's it, I'm done.

>>718856405
Thank you for your service

>>718847129
nah it was cool and funny

>>718812937 (OP)
I feel so vindicated with time. ME2 was a bad fucking game and it just took a decade for people to start getting it.

Mass effect 2 felt like the wii version of a game, compressed and pointless, still somewhat fun to play.

>>718850864
>blue hair
Guessing this Weekes guy got #metoo'd as well as has a trans kid?

>>718812937 (OP)
>sets nothing up for the third game
That's not really true. It's just that it basically sets up the exact same thing that the first game already set up just in a different way, so it's pretty pointless.

>>718826835
>I'm surprised with just how culturally irrelevant Mass Effect has become.
ME was a lot smaller than you probably think it was. DA:I sold almost as much as ME1-3 combined.

>>718857393
The citadel was one corridor with one npc.

>>718847060
>3 is good
>except for the last 15 minutes
I'm sure you though crawling after the space baby and none of your previous choices really amounting to anything was great.

>>718832547
Thane/Legion is a weird and interesting combination for companion dialogue. They both have dispassionate, logical outlooks but coming from two completely different places. Doing missions with them is like walking around Plato's Agora with a gun in your hands.

>>718832547
ME1: Garrus and Tali, then Wrex and Liara
ME2: Garrus and Tali
ME3: Liara and Garrus, then Garrus and Tali

>>718858659
Try Garrus and Wrex for just a good romp with the boys.

>>718842753
i tried femshep a few times but couldn't get into it
i generally like Hale's work but ME is too much of a power trip for a female character to handle

>>718858659
Ashley and Garrus, both equipped with sniper rifles, makes ME1 a breeze.

I hate how the trilogy incentivises going full paragon or renegade. It hurts the roleplaying elements.