Thread 718917998

There is no excuse for Capcom abandoning the Mega Man IP. Just because they want to focus on AAA games doesn’t mean they can’t make a AAA game out of Mega Man. It’s not fair how their former flagship franchise is now treated like garbage and gets nothing but lazy ports and mobile shit.

>>718917998 (OP)
nobody cares about megaman. zoomers and alphas don't even know who the fuck he is. i'm a millennial and i only remember the cartoon at this point

>>718917998 (OP)
megaman if he real

>>718917998 (OP)
CAPCOM, HIRE THIS MAN

CAPCOM
HIRE THIS MAN

HE'S USING UNREAL ENGINE ANYWAY HE CAN

CAPCOM
RAPE THIS FAGGOT

megaman if he sonic

OMG HECKIN FREAK! WE COULD BE PLAYING AS THE MEGATHEY/THEM IN HUGE EMPTY FIELDS ON UNREAL ENGINE! WHO TOOK THIS YUMMY FROM US!? I NEED MY MEGA YUMMIES!

This man is still a master of the medium?!

>>718917998 (OP)
>AAA Mega Man

>>718917998 (OP)
Lmao, this pathetic thread again.
Just imagine trying to market this shit in 2025, as a AAA game for a full price. I can already see the three digits at best chart threads.

Mega Man is a niche series.
It won't have massive sales figures like Capcom wants.
The best selling Mega Man game (Mega Man 11) is only 63rd best selling Capcom game.

>>718917998 (OP)
Just reboot NT Warrior to not feel as dated, make it open world and free to move between digital and real world.

>>718917998 (OP)
I wanna bash all sloppers' skulls over a table's corner.

>>718918845
You're gonna be replaced LMAO

>>718918845
Weird how the only people complaining about AI tend to be on the left and mediocre artists themselves. Real artists can use it as a tool as intended thougheverbeit

>>718917998 (OP)
There's also no excuse for the insulting AI slop you just posted

What's used to generate images like these? ChatGPT keeps giving me Ghibili-like stuff, most other online models I could find are meant for frontal Anime stuff, nothing for 3D gaming aesthetic. I've fallen behind on AI content, and never could understand generation.

>>718918845
based ignore the curry-enjoyers

>>718919161
OP's image appears like ChatGPT for what it's worth. I've had decent success with Dall E 3 and Bing's variant in particular for quickly iterating ideas in styles resembling either fifth generation consoles or vinyl figurine aesthetic. Bing's is much better at Anime-esque. ChatGPT really likes to add a weird goyslop looking Ghibli filter. If you prompt for specific stiles or ask to reimagine something you can get a result with ChatGPT that resembles OP's. Personally I just like using it to quickly interate on ideas or sketches I have then take the results and then draw a brand new composite using the outputs as references in addition to my previous real life references and moodboard pieces.

Hey, at least the Make a Good Mega Man Level games are good. Boy I sure can't wait for 4.

>>718917998 (OP)
Not even AAA, a AA game would be perfectly acceptable. Just get a project manager to tardwrangle some Brazilian fans and let them make a Mega Man X9 for fuck's sake. They'll work for peanuts. Throw in a crumb of actual marketing and they'll get 100x their investment easily.
>ERRM NO?? uh aheh, do you KNOW things cost MONEY?? it wouldn't even sell one billion copies!
It was never about the money with Capcom. It's literally just the fact that no one there wants to make a Mega Man game. That's the real reason why we aren't getting them.

>>718918619
>let's not make this game because it won't make AS much money as this other thing even though it's basically free money since we have near-infinite resources from our other money printers
>nooo not profit that would be horrible!!!
Doesn't check out. What is so hard to believe about Capcom just not wanting to make it? Nintendo chose not to make a new Mario game and instead make a DK game despite the fact that Mario games sell big boy numbers. When you're making money as much as Capcom does, you can afford to pick and choose which IP you want to develop for. They simply do not want to make more Mega Man games.

Also Phoenix Wright's trilogy sold more than Mega Man 11. What's your point? That AA is somehow more popular and relevant than Mega Man despite not getting any games in just about as long? (And let's ignore the fact that the majority of Mega Man's games came out in the 80s where the sales numbers aren't going to be nearly the same as today's. Never mind inflation.) I just don't think sales are the end all be all for deciding what game a developer/publisher wants to make. Again, Capcom can afford to make whatever the fuck they want. They just aren't making Mega Man.

>>718918335
I would fuck OP in the asshole with my fist for a megaman game that takes place in a giant empty field with a helicopter in the distance.
I WOULD DO IT.
Make it happen capcpom.

>>718917998 (OP)
Mega Man doesn't sell well.

And the story is over humanity got killed into extinction so Mega Man failed his mission and to Hell with Carbons who are not humans. You can't make new games because Mega Man Nuts is a filthy traitor. Hope he never gets off the moon. I hope for years to go by and Capcom NEVER hires or promotes Mega Man fans at their company. I want Mega Man to become as forgotten and uncared for as Felix the Cat.

>>718917998 (OP)
MEGA MAN LEGENDS 3 !!!

>>718919494
Just make Megaman NT Warrior 2.0 or Star Force 2.0. Those were just as good games as where anime tie ins

>>718918089
i care about megaman fuck you

>>718917998 (OP)
mega man legends had no soul you're just nostalgiafagging boomer

>>718919646
>post undeniable evidence of SOUL of which cannot be compared
>caption it with "no soul"
idgi

>>718917998 (OP)
They didn't abandon Mega Man. Inafune abused him and then abandoned him. After he was removed and btfo by Kamiya Capcom still saw fit to release a new mainline Mega Man with a respectable budget. It didn't do poorly but I don't really see people talking about 11 or asking for 12. Another X isn't needed either

Really your problem is you probably want another Legends with a 150 million dollar budget, not realizing now terrible of an idea that is

>>718919036
Everyone knows AI can be used as a tool and is probably using it in some form or another. That doesn't make bad or mediocre AI immune to criticism and it isn't some epic right wing thing to support the AI heavily controlled by left-wing companies

Megaman was always gay

>>718919958
>it isn't some epic right wing thing to support the AI heavily controlled by left-wing companies
For me it is because it means less leftists having jobs.

>>718917998 (OP)
AIslop image aside, OP is right

there is no way a middle budget megaman game wouldn't sell at least a couple million units and be a profitable and fan-pleasing investment.

They could also easily assamble a team from talented fan modders like Sega did with Sonic. There are so many Megaman fan-games with so much effort and quality put into them, like the Sequel Wars (MM4-6 16bit remake) or the Mega Man World 5 remake in MM7's artstyle. It's weird how Capcom only published the MM vs SF fan game when there are so many better ones.

People who pretend that "gaming landscape changed too much since 25 years ago" need to consider that thanks to the Switch's popularity there is a huge resurgance of interest in colorful games, the era of brown and bloom domination was more of a fad than the future.

>>718918619
Take the Dragons Dogma engine, replace assets with Megaman, make it more 'Souls-like', each boss drops a new Buster weapon. The summon CPU have unique weapons, you can also link to other players and do the whole thing co-op, armor fully customizable, and you have a build where you can only have certain powerups and abilities as per your stats so you have unique builds. Game switches to 2D platform sections in some places like Nier Automata. You can even build your own base / level out of blocks using the Tron Bonne lego guys and put it online. There, I just made a hit game for cheap using an engine and franchise they are already sitting on.

>>718920185
this would be so kino

>>718917998 (OP)
>There is no excuse for Capcom abandoning the Mega Man IP
Let's review shall we?
>Classic has the most basic formula and arguably most success save for the Battle Network line of RPGs
>X series effectively shat itself as time went on and fans constantly argue which ones suck and which ones are good
>nobody played Legends, that's why it's dead
>Zero series managed to get four games in a platform life cycle, but people dislike the art style so they continue to ignore it
>Battle Network is the second most successful series of games that spanned two platforms
>nobody liked Star Force until the 3rd game and by that point it was too late
>ZX went through the same problem as the above on top of using an art style people still weren't 100% sold on from the Zero series (but everybody masturbates to Aile anyway and there's a good chance only 2% of her fans actually played her game)
Long story short, Mega Man's done a lot and most of it with middling results as far as Capcom's concerned. I'm not even talking about sales, I mean overall reception. It's amazing people expect an X9 when X4-X6 are heavily debated about in terms of their overall quality and X7 is deemed among the worst games in the series while X8 came out to a roaring ho-hum, yet people act like X9 should totally happen. And I'm not saying this as a hater or nay-sayer, but seriously sit back and review what Mega Man's been through and it's no wonder the IP is relegated to mostly crossover content these days.

These devs care more about their honor and spiting the mega man fanbase to tarnish Inafune's than making Mega Man games. It just is what it is.

>>718920185
>make it more 'Souls-like'
Kill yourself.

>>718917998 (OP)
HOLY SHIT
HIRE THIS MAN

CAPCOM
HIRE
THIS

Poor snubbed Megaman. They only made, like what, two? Three games right? Maybe I'll play them all in an afternoon for fun. Computer, show me how many Megaman games there are.

>>718921621
>NO, YOU CAN'T HECKIN' DAY THAT!! WHAT THE FRICKIN' FRECK!? THAT'S AGAINST MY META!!!!
Megaman is already open in that you choose which level and boss and in ehat order. That translates perfectly to a more 'open world' game that would sell today, and saying Souls-like is a way to make it easily imaginable to people. I don't mean make the gameplay 1-to-1, I mean you have RPG elements, action gameplay, spread out bosses and the easy matchmaking element.

>>718921537
>>nobody played Legends, that's why it's dead
that's why they made 3 games for it and even a forth if it wasn't for the whole turmoil in Capcom at the time?
>X4-X6 are heavily debated about in terms of their overall quality
X4 is not, it's easily one of, if not the most popular games in the series. X7 is the only outright bad game in the series.

the MM series sold around 45 million copies, stop talking about it like it was some failed series. Yeah it's a bunch of smaller games each selling between 0.5-2 millions instead of a couple 10+ million sellers but there is nothing wrong with that. There is no reason why Capcom shouldn't be making more middle budget games like they did with MM11 that also managed to sell over 2 million copies, these games are clearly profitable for their investment, it's just that Capcom now only prioritizes their big budget projects instead of having some diversity.

>>718921987
What was bad about X7 beside it being more challenging as they assumed you played the game 50 fucking times already and should be able to handle it without breaking down into tears and fisting yourself?

>>718919494
You are underestimating the corporate greed.
It's waste of resources even if the budget would be small and the profit guaranteed.
Massive return of investment is the reason why Sony and WB keep trying (and failing) with live service games.
If Resident Evil makes big bucks it will be more Resident Evil instead of Mega Man.
Sure it may play a part though if Capcom lacks higherups who have personal interest in Mega Man like Inafune before.

>MEgaman with camera over the shoulder like RE4
would be cool

>>718922087
that would be based as fuk

>>718922140
But who was Megaman Prime?

>>718917998 (OP)
CAPCOM INDICT THIS MAN

Mega Man if he AI... wait...

>>718917998 (OP)
CAPCOM KILL AND RAPE THIS MAN

>>718918619
And that's at $30.

>>718922162
is that legends 2

>>718922359
Yes

>>718917998 (OP)
>doesn’t mean they can’t make a AAA game out of Mega Man
It seemed like they were trying with Taisen
>biggest budget in fanchise's history comparable to MH Stories 2
>expected to sell 3 million units in less time than MM11 got 2 million
>post launch DLC planned
Who the fuck knows what happened to it behind the scenes though. It was supposed to come out 2022, then got pushed back to 2024, and that was the last that was heard of it, never an official word from Capcom on it, just some stupid high project we only knew from leaks that got quietly cancelled somewhere in the past few years.

>>718917998 (OP)
megaman is just not cool anymore

>>718922140
I always thought Vanquish would be a good model for modernizing Mega Man Legends gameplay.

>>718922474
holy shit i'm sure it's fine if you're used to it but that camera sucks so hard

>>718922359
ye

>>718922474
First person is gay

>>718922472
True

>>718919494
>just make it a Double A gamerino and it would sell!
It would if it weren't for the fact that it will only sell 10k copies (like all Legends games, funny how you morons never acknowledge this statistic) because you retards are notoriously poor.

>>718922579
Vanquish is over the shoulder third person.

>>718917998 (OP)
make a sequel to this but with a sex minigame.

>>718917998 (OP)
Capcom hire this man

>>718922719
Why do people use filters like this? It looks so bad.

>>718917998 (OP)
What do Mega Man fans even want. The only thing left to squeeze out of the series is Mega Man Legends 3. There's nothing really to be gained from further iterations of Mega Man and Mega Man X that can't also be found with romhacks and fangames. Most Battle Network boys seem content to just play on Tango, and there's not a lot to be added that can't be done with ROM patches or with successor games like Duelists of Eden. Mega Man Zero ended properly. The only other one that could potentially have stood to have more is ZX, arguably.

Mega Man just ran its course, barring one single game in a side series. What do you actually expect or need Capcom to make that wouldn't also be new enough that it could just be its own IP.

>>718922843
X definitely needs more as it ended on a cliffhanger.
Starforce is also unresolved iirc and had a 4th game planned at one point.

>>718923058
>Geo's dad is back from buying space milk
Yes and no
Yes in the sense that they can just make up a new threat like they did for BN4 and beyond (until Wily came back again for BN6 but he actually saw the error of his ways this time, promise) but no as in there were no more plot threads left hanging

>>718922843
>What do Mega Man fans even want.
They want to play a game where they're playing a blue robot boy who shoots stuff with his arm cannon.

>There's nothing really to be gained from further iterations of Mega Man
Why not say the same thing about Mario, Donkey Kong, or Zelda?

>>718921987
>that's why they made 3 games for it and even a forth if it wasn't for the whole turmoil in Capcom at the time?
Three games back to back using similar assets on PS1 and a mobile entry. Truly a statement to be made that Legends is a household name that was here to stay. That's why Capcom effectively moved on from it until they saw 3DS as an excuse to try again before getting axed.
>stop talking about it like it was some failed series
Never inferred that it was.
>Yeah it's a bunch of smaller games each selling between 0.5-2 millions instead of a couple 10+ million sellers but there is nothing wrong with that
Nor did I ever say that was an issue.

Bear in mind I never said nor implied new Mega Man entries shouldn't happen. I play these games too and I have my own opinions on which ones are great and which ones suck, but the fan base acts as though they should be cranking out games nonstop when that's not happening. Not when the only one that appears to be widely accepted is Classic and every other iteration is either finished in terms of story (BN and Zero), doesn't have the audience (SF and ZX), or outright smeared whatever good faith was left (X and Legends). Capcom's not even willing to step away from everything it's already established and make an entirely new Mega Man character and setting removed from everything that came before. And hey maybe starting over fresh could be beneficial, or everybody will disapprove because it's not a continuation of classic, X, what have you (that and the reception of DmC: Devil May Cry is likely still lingering with them).

>>718923415
>Why not say the same thing about Mario, Donkey Kong, or Zelda?
Because this is a Mega Man thread

>>718917998 (OP)
>WE BARELY BUY YOUR GAMES BUT WE STILL DEMAND TO BE CATERED TO
You clowns are a perfectly valid reason why any company should abandon an IP. Maybe do a little bit of introspection and figure out why it's only your franchise that they have to constantly be wary if there's any actual interest.

>>718922837
old people lose their eyesight. same reason 45-60 year olds are so fascinated by AI images

>>718917998 (OP)
The reality is they never stopped making megaman games. There's a sea of other(better) megaman derivatives out there. Play those. Stop being a slave to a brand.

>>718923449
The point is Mega Man has been re-imagined so many times already and its clear Mega Man fans just want something that appeals to the broad fantasy of being a robot boy who shoots stuff with an arm cannon, in the same way Mario fans want to be a short acrobatic Italian man who jumps on stuff, or Zelda fans want to be a boy with a sword who goes on adventures, or Donkey Kong fans want to be a gorilla in a neck tie who smashes things and the specifics of mechanics and systems aren't that important so long as the game delivers on that core fantasy.

>>718923771
This. Spending time getting mad about a publisher not "living up to the obligations of the IP" is ultimately just further enslaving one's self to caring about copyright, not games.

On a related note: it's baffling how obsessed some g*mers are with franchises going on forever and ever. Film series gets 8 releases in 10 years? People are absolutely SICK of it getting ruthlessly milked and beg them to stop. Mega Man gets 17+ releases in just the first 10 years? Oh man there's CLEARLY not enough Mega Man. A book sequel gets announced 20-30 years after the previous installment? God what a soulless cash grab, especially since the original creator isn't involved and it's just someone who studied his work/got approval. 20-30 years since the game in a Mega Man sub-series? It's time for a new one, they need to finish the story with none of the original developers and writers involved!!!

2025 capcom can never make good megaman game

>>718923771
The indie clones are all ass. The only decent indies are the literal fan games.

>>718922843
>What do Mega Man fans even want.
It's 100% possible to pump new life into a franchise. Bombergirl works because the core gameplay of Bomberman is still there but now you have a cute girls representing the various iterations of Bomberman throughout the years and team-based combat.

FPS Megaman, Four Swords-esque Megaman, Megaman time management RPG, Megaman isometric shooter, Megaman metroidvania, Megaman loli grooming sim, the sky is the fucking limits, you just need to be creative.

>>718923771
This guy gets it.
What matters is game design and quality, not company or name. If you attach yourself to a brand, you become an insatiable zombie with no standards. The kind of person who buys bad comic books just because they validate your obsession by acknowledging things you care about.

>>718923415
>Mario
Started getting a new main entry every 5+ years unless it was a direct sequel like Galaxy 2. The 2D games are clearly smaller budget and even those are years apart these days compared to the NES and GameBoy years. The rest is spin off shit like Mario Kart and Mario Party.
>Donkey Kong
Let's timeline this:
DKC trilogy > 64 > Jungle Beat > two more DKC games > and now Bananza. DK doesn't have nearly the library Mega Man does even if you include the Konga and King of Swing entries.
>Zelda
Like Mario, each entry takes years to make and are removed from each other unless it's a direct sequel. Then when you look release tables, Link's Awakening to the Oracle games was a span of 7 damn years between each other. On the console side of things ALttP to OoT was 7 years as well. Guess how many games Mega Man shat out in that same span of time?

Mega Man heavily saturated itself compared to those three. Mega Man Classic, X, and Legends were all coexisting at the exact same time for a brief period and on the same damn console. That's different from having Mario 64 being on the 64 with no follow up entry while Gameboy had the Mario Land trilogy. Same goes for OoT showing up during the middle of the N64's life cycle while Majora's Mask released a year later for what would be near the end of that console's cycle. That's only two games compared to the six that Mega Man got on PS1.

Play my level
https://megamanmaker.com/?level=584729

>>718924267
>20-30 years since the game in a Mega Man sub-series? It's time for a new one, they need to finish the story with none of the original developers and writers involved!!!

This is the one that really pisses me off.
It's one thing if some devs have new ideas they want to explore and think some existing brand works well with it or would help them reach a broader audience, but so much of this kind of thing is nostalgia wanking and obligation fulfillment. The kinds of sequels and spinoff dedicated to "fixing" and "answering" things are the absolute worst. What the creators wanted you to feel and think about is the part that matters, not little factoids for fan wikis and explanations for discrepancies.

A lot of MM fans are the type who want the "bridge games" between subseries and more context for shit that doesn't matter, it's infuriating.

>>718922843
hot robogirl ass
i am a simple man

>>718924603
Even in the cases of Mario and Zelda, people tend to get mad at the schedule filler titles and compromises made decades ago before they took their time. Sunshine was lambasted for traits caused by releasing a year early. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess also get a lot of shit for their failings. Games like NSMB2 and Minish Cap and NSMB U and Tri Force Heroes and the DS Zeldas get shit on constantly because they're low effort and highly iterative.

>>718924942
This. Ideally little robot girl ass.

>>718917998 (OP)
I'm surprised they didn't resurrect the IP to cash in on the metroidvania trend. I'd play it.

>>718924294
after watching that they did to monster hunter I can attest that, they are developing every game with that stupid "global audience" mentality, they can get away with RE and DMC buscase its fans eat slop every day but things like MH obviously don't work with that philosophy, Megaman would crumble.

As much I would love another Megaman game at this point I'm 100% it would be a monkey paw.

>>718924556
>What matters is game design and quality
Name one indie that actually captures the design and quality of the good Megaman games.
Gunvolt misses the mark
Might Number 9 is dogshit
Might Gunvolt misses the mark
20XX is okay-ish
One Step From Eden really misses the mark

>>718923415
Call me when Capcom spends 7 years and over a hundred million dollars on their next Mega Man title, which changes the entire game flow and reinvents the franchise.

>>718917998 (OP)
I don't want AAA Megaman. That means tweaking the formula for "mass appeal." I'll settle for AA Megaman and more reasonable budgets.

>>718922162
These guys are one of the coolest reaverbot designs. Such a weird little piston foot caterpillar thing going on.

>>718925057
>they can get away with RE and DMC buscase its fans eat slop every day
Resident Evil has been shitting itself for half its releases for about 25 years now and everyone but diehards acknowledge that DMC got one (1) big budget in house game, and it was more 3 but with a bigger focus on boss fights. Very stupid examples.

Monster Hunter absolutely has fallen into the eternally broadening trap, though. Meanwhile the MH RPGs are narrowing their broad appeal with each game, which is kinda weird.

>>718917998 (OP)
Switch 2 launch exclusive would have been an easy 3 million units sold by now with a strong Mega Man revival being a 10m plus seller, but companies have zero interest in things like that.

>>718925124
Rokka-chan.

>>718925124
Gunvolt comes close but I can't put the finger where they miss the mark.

>>718925312
I mean Rokko-chan.

>>718925131
Yeah, they're neat. They also make good practice targets.

>>718923771
Gravity Circuit is a rare, exceptionally high quality alternative. Few studios who ape the Megaman formula get it this right. It's deceptive to claim there's countless alternatives of this quality. There really aren't.

>>718925124
>Gunvolt misses the mark
Yeah.
>Might Number 9 is dogshit
Yeah.
>Mighty Gunvolt misses the mark
Nah, Mighty Gunvolt Burst was just as good as MM10
>20XX is okay-ish
No, proc gen level design is awful for Mega Man and I immediately have no faith in you for saying this.
>One Step From Eden really misses the mark
Yeah.

Gravity Circuit is fantastic. Steel Assault leans more into Gunstar Heroes but gave me MMZ vibes, greatly enjoyed it.

>>718917998 (OP)
>>718922162
>Series known for tight platforming
>Lets make 3D game where main protagonist shoots some enemies while standing still in empty grass field

>>718924294
MM11 was fine. Great even. Granted that was... 7 years ago?? Holy shit, fuck you, Capcom!

>>718925501
First one was good despite being MM in name only. First few BNs were also good despite having nothing to do with MM.

>>718925501
No wonder Legends bombed. What were they thinking?

>>718925501
Sometimes you do it in a dungeon too.

>>718925284
MH RPG ironically need to drop the "MUH CHILDREN" mentalyty and go balls to the walls "rated T", if they drop Navirou the game will improve vastly.

Also I don't see ANYONE blasting RE, every fucking normalfag out there is creaming for RE9, and DMC is a meme that is almost up there with souldfags where you can't even point anything negative without the "LEL GIT GUT LMAOOOO" morons derailing the discussion.

>>718917998 (OP)
You dont get it bro. We need more street fighter because... uh... everyone likes street fighter

>>718925501
Legends games were fucking great. Don't mouth off about a game you clearly haven't even played.

>>718925339
The tag and zap system doesn't feel nearly as good as just shooting stuff, and the levels are kinda bland since its designed around speedrunning and getting a highscore to hear anime vocals singing over you.
Then I dropped the series for good on the 2nd game cause the level design and boss design got worse, and they nerfed the upgrade system so everything had a more extreme tradeoff, making the game boring as shit to play when they basically encourage you to you stick with just mostly the default loadout the whole time.

>>718925590
Yeah, 3 seems to be saying "fuck it, fine, Breath of Fire 7 time."

>Also I don't see ANYONE blasting RE, every fucking normalfag out there is creaming for RE9
Yeah, normalfags get excited for RE games. That's got nothing to do with what I said: the series has been shitting its pants on and off for decades. You can't attribute that to a current Capcom mentality shift. It's been like this.

>DMC is a meme
1, 3 and 5 are all pretty strong action games, and 4 has good combat but terrible content.

>That is almost up there with souldfags where you can't even point anything negative without the "LEL GIT GUT LMAOOOO" morons derailing the discussion.
There's plenty to criticize, but you've come out swinging sounding pretty asshurt, so I'm skeptical on the quality of the criticism you're going to present. Let's hear it, though.

>>718925497
>No, proc gen level design is awful for Mega Man and I immediately have no faith in you for saying this.
It feels better to control than the rest of the games I mentioned, and satisfies an itch where MMX randomizer does not.

>>718925497
>Mighty Gunvolt Burst was just as good as MM10
I do not agree. The levels are piss easy, you'd have to TRY to die to the sparse enemy placements. And then suddenly the entire challenge lies in the boss room. That sucks. I hate that. If you fuck up you have to replay these boring fucking stages. At least in MM10, the stages are tough enough to kill someone who isn't alert.

>>718924815
Most game fans in general are like that. You're not going to find many who agree with you on this, anon. Brands are religion, not art.

>>718926285
I don't agree. I mentioned 10 specifically because the stages were really easy. Burst puts up more of a fight than original Mighty Gunvolt and I think it works.

>>718926414
MM10 has good level obstacles. They can nickel and dime the player's health until he dies. Yeah, it's not as hard as MM9 which relies on cheap 1HKO kills, but I think it's a good challenge for the most part. Some things are dumb, though. Not the strongest levels in the series.

>>718926530
>Cheap
Aside from some spike placement, 9 isn't "cheap." It telegraphs its traps harder than any other game in the series. There's a couple goofs at the player's expense, but the vast majority of 9 is fair. It's just hard.

10 is really hard to die in, especially if you played the NES games. Shit, even 4 and 5 are meaner than 10.

>>718919958
I only use open source local models

>>718924815
Did someone say lazy fanwank?

>>718918845
>>718919042
>>718920169
>crying about AI
>using the same shitty ass buzzword in every single post you make
AI is smarter than all of you, pathetic puppets.

>>718926701
Megaman's before 9 were NOT that reliant on spikes and death pits.
>It telegraphs its traps harder than any other game in the series.
Bologna. This is the game with these fuckers. Yes, you can defeat them with Jewel Shield but that's not intrinsic knowledge to someone playing a level for the first time.

>>718927017
Bro's playing defense for AI while a robot fucks his wife.

>>718927060
>This is the game with these fuckers.
Yeah, and Galaxy Man's stage opens with one dropping down and carrying you to safety, doing 0 damage, just to impress upon you the gimmick. They then get cheeky with it, and from there you know how to dodge them and know to stay alert.

Jewel Man is the only normal stage that's actively bullshit.

>>718924815
>A lot of MM fans are the type who want the "bridge games" between subseries and more context for shit that doesn't matter, it's infuriating.
Agreed. Every time someone proposes:
>"WHAT ABOUT A GAME BETWEEN ____ AND ___!!!"
I want to punch them.

>>718919646
>"Legends has no soul"
>Posts soul

Niggerfaggot.

>>718926701
MM9 is the X6 of Classic imo. Its cheap as fuck

>>718921987
>>718921537
the thing that makes legend a pain point is that it actually looks fun

>>718927337
I enjoy both in spite of X6's serious flaws. People really overstate how "unfair" they are. Play an actual hard game like Ninja Gaiden.

>>718927186
You're essentially agreeing with me that they were cheeky as fuck. Them not teaching you a level gimmick AT ALL is not a prerequisite for being unfair. MM9 is full of tight jumps, low spike ceilings, constant spike floors, minibosses who give little warning (usually paired with an insta-kill threat in tandem with death from high damage), etc. Showing the enemy that can tug you into a spike filled hole is bare-minimum stuff.

>>718921987
>X4 is not
Bitch I'll be first in line to tell you X4 sucks. It's awful to play as X and the levels and bosses are trash. X peaked early.

>>718926774
Made based on the groundwork of left-wing companies who hope to replace people with soul so they have no middleman when producing slop to their braindead audience.The only reason we are still allowed to exist is to produce data to be scraped for their algorithms.

>>718918845
>>718927085
You defend artists for free.

>>718917998 (OP)
Mega Man fans don't want AAA games they want good games

>>718922837
What's bad about it? How can it be improved?

>>718927487
>You're essentially agreeing with me that they were cheeky as fuck.
Being cheeky a couple times is not the same as being unfair.
>Them not teaching you a level gimmick AT ALL is not a prerequisite for being unfair.
9 is more blatant and kind in its tutorializing than the other games. Most of them will damage or outright kill you on the "safe" first try. 9 is exceedingly forgiving every time it first introduces a gimmick. It then ratchets up harder than most games after you've proven you at least get the idea. That's not unfair: that's you having a learning disability.
>MM9 is full of tight jumps
So are most of them. 1 and 3 in particular.
>low spike ceilings
Yeah. The other games did this with water or low G or flipped gravity; high spike ceilings but you rapidly hurtle towards them. 9 instead does it without fucking with your controls.
>constant spike floors
Yeah, this is an actual criticism. Even then, most of it is Jewel Man's stage. The others have more than normal, but it doesn't get ridiculous.
>minibosses who give little warning (usually paired with an insta-kill threat in tandem with death from high damage)
At best you can say this is the one thing they don't tutorialize, so you're more likely to get your ass kicked. The second you learn their patterns they're really easy.
>etc
Yeah, "etc," because you don't have shit.

May as well point to Dust Man's crushers as unfair game design. Come on, dude.

>>718926808
Nobody cares about your shitty American comic books.

>>718927703
>Le artists are.... LE EVIL!
Why, because they worked on a skill that you didn't? And no, we are not talking about Redditors drawing shit, we are talking about the people who made all the paintings, music, games, etc. that we enjoy. Rebelling agaonst artists is so shallow and juvenile. The guy who designed the mansion for Re1 didn't do anything to hurt you.

APOLOGIZE

>>718927703
>Defending corporations
Fag. Have your (You).

>>718927418
Newsflash, Legends IS fun! It's one of the best early 3D adventure games ever made that got overshadowed to hell and back. Capcom releasing Mega Man 8 and a second X trilogy did not help. If Mega Man Legends and Misadventures of Tron were the only Mega Man titles on it probably would've received more attention.

>>718917998 (OP)
>$70 AAA mega man game
I don't see any world where this is happening without any buildup at all

>>718928194
>>718928254
I just genned more porn for free.

>>718928289
Too bad 2 is worse.

>>718917998 (OP)
HIRE THIS MEGAMAN

>>718928347
I have a functional frontal lobe. I can generate as much porn as I like in my mind's eye.

>>718928289
>um ackshully retard the game you said is fun had games before it that where also fun, despite the fact that I would have to be basically subhuman to assume you disliked them.
yawn

>>718928471
>Not an argument
So much for having a functional frontal lobe. I'll be supporting whatever mysterious corporation was referenced, I guess.

>>718924378
>FPS Megaman
Please no.

>>718928347
And what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? Stop running from facts and real discourse. You can enjoy playing with yourself, and remember that your degenerate porn wouldn't be possible without the work of countless people before you and that all you are getting is a hash of corporate approved materials fed into algorithm instead of experiencing a real woman or having the satisfaction of actually accomplishing something. Keep touching yourself as the genocide plays out and you get replaced.

>>718928539
>>718928558
>The mentally impaired are invading the thread.
Looking into this.

>>718928539
No seriously, who are you referring to? Yourself?

Inafune unironically was the driving force behind Megaman (past like the early 90's). and no one at Capcom even knows what to do with him now, apart from putting out a stock tier classic Megaman from time to time
>/v/ will seethe about this fact.

>>718928617
If it felt like Megman, I wouldn't have cared. Like Metroid Prime is to Metroid. Instead we got pitched this bullshit. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with FPS as a perspective though. MM8BDM pretty much proves that.

>>718917998 (OP)
>There is no excuse for Capcom abandoning the [insert 1990s-2000s smash hit here] IP.
Capcom is not your friend. They're big fat idiots that could care less what you want

>>718922140
That's just Pragmata.

If they're going to make another actual Megaman, they should at least try to make it a platformer.

>>718928753
>>718928682
>umm no anon you are supposed to start screetching that you hated legends 1 and 2 for no reason and have a 3 hour meltie with me
I'm going to bed, wake me up when crapcum gets me off the moon and this trollverbot fucks off.

>>718928094
You're getting too mad about this for a discussion in a Megaman thread. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.

>>718928862
>this Resident Evil-like is covered by this wacky big game hunter game
What a fucking jackass.

>>718928964
>Rib you once on 4chan.
>"Uhm, you're getting too mad?"
I dunno, you sound mad to me.

>>718918335
this but unironically

>>718928831
That looked pretty stupid, tbf. What's wrong with making a cell shaded game, that actually looks like Megaman?
If they want to make Megaman actually work in 3D, then a new Legends, with considerably smoother controls, or some kind of 3D Zero action game, that kind of splits the difference between DMC action, and Prince of Persia platforming would be the way to go about it.

I don't see any point in just making it a gritty FPS. That's a joke that probably never should have left the conceptual phase.

>>718927435
I've beaten some hard games that are fair such as Ghouls N Ghosts and Super Ghouls N Ghosts.
MM9, X6, Z2, and Z3 are all unfair bullshit.

Also I haven't played them myself but I feel like Ninja Gaiden can't be that hard since I have a friend who struggled like crazy with Castlevania Rondo of Blood but then beat the first Ninja Gaiden with little difficulty.

>>718917998 (OP)
>open world
Thank god they havent ruined it like this

>>718929402
MML was open world dude

>>718925131
>spends 7 years and over a hundred million dollars on their next Mega Man title, which changes the entire game flow and reinvents the franchise.
Does it really even have to be Mega Man at this point then? If you're just going to spend years and millions to reinvent Mega Man by changing the formula yet again into something completely different just call it something different. Let Mega Man be that 80s and 90s franchise. You don't need to keep trying to reinventing every old NES franchise for the modern era. I never understood the appeal of making something so utterly divorced from the original but slapping the name of some 30 year old property on it. Mega Man Legends and Battle Network were already so far removed from what made Mega Man "Mega Man" what was even the point in pretending they were the same thing? Do you really need a recognizable name?

I'm actually glad they didn't turn around after Mega Man 11 and make 5 more games in the same style every year until we all grew sick of it. It showed incredible restraint. And if they're going to spend years and millions on a new game I'd rather it just be allowed to be something new instead of saddling it with the Mega Man name for no reason. Imagine if instead of Dead Rising, Dark Void, and Lost Planet those were all just rebranded Mega Man and the protagonist was inexplicably made into a blue robot so we could slap a recognizable name on it.

I think we've had enough Mega Man, unless they have a uniquely interesting twist on the Mega Man formula I don't see the point in making more of them. I don't understand why people obsess over franchises and brands.

>>718929378
>Z3 is unfair
>Z1 is not
I really don't understand this. Z3 is the easier game.

>>718929302
Retro Studios just had no love of Megaman within their staff, I guess. You can't and shouldn't try to divorce Megaman from anime. It makes no fucking sense when this shit is packed to the brim with Astro Boy, Cyborg 009, Casshern, and a million others.

>>718929556
Battle Network was a celebration of Megaman. Half the fun of it was seeing how they would reinterpret all of the old characters.

>>718929556
>Does it really even have to be Mega Man at this point then?
No. I'm just pointing to anon saying "Well why do Mario, DK and Zelda still get games?" when the answer is that lately those games are far apart and utterly reinventing themselves.

I'm very content to let Mega Man sleep.

>>718919494
phoenix wright sells more because capcom actually maintains+grows the fanbase by releasing new games.

>>718929669
It was like one guy from Retro Studios.

>>718918089
>zoomers and alphas don't even know who the fuck he is

how are they supposed to know if capcom goes out of their way to erase the existence of the said character

>>718929556
Good game design can and should be iterated over infinite content. Games should mostly be level packs of old games not completely new things, it's really rare and special when someone actually makes something new and good and we are being gaslit into thinking it can be the norm so they can justify 90$ games

>>718929754
There's no way, they showed off a working prototype, dude. Maybe 1 guy pitched it but did he do all that work to model and code all that shit? He made the "press X to awesome" shit?

>>718929691
I really disagree. The callbacks and remixes were cute, but the fun was the world and the gameplay. I wouldn't want yet another MM series reusing old Robot Masters. It worked once as a world flavor thing. Reference culture is the death of art.

>>718929754
>>718929669
Retro's style was well known at that point, thanks to Metroid Prime. Capcom had to have known what they were asking for when they went to them for a MM FPS.

Also, I think that style would have been fine if it was like a pre-X1 game where you played as Vile and got to play his descent into madness.

>>718917998 (OP)
modern capcom cares about only one IP of theirs. and that's resident evil.
the rest kind of goes and eats shit in the corner

>>718929963
They clearly care about Monster Hunter too, despite the blunder with Wilds they've committed a ton of resources trying to fix that dumpster fire. For their other games they would have just cut their losses and abandoned them already. I guess you could include Street Fighter in that short list as well.

>>718929923
It's not really just references. Characters like Protoman or Bass are just part of the iconography of Megaman, and Battle Network showed us those characters from a completely different angle.
It wasn't just "hey, remember this thing?" and then we move on. It was cool to see what all of those things were, in this familiar but slightly different version of the Megaman universe.

>>718929941
I don't feel like Maverick Hunter is the same "style" as Metroid Prime. Prime is just 3D, detailed Metroid. Natural environments and cool touches like rain on your visor. I felt none of that with what we saw of MH. It looked like something from the early Xbox days instead. Or worse yet, Bomberman Zero.

>>718929864
Do you understand that Retro Studios never worked on this pitch?
Retro Studios are owned by Nintendo. How would they have worked on this pitch?
The game was being made by Armature Studios, which is like three guys who were formerly of Retro Studios.

>>718917998 (OP)
Capcom honestly doesn’t deserve Megaman for how badly they treat the poor guy. It’s very alarming and glaring when stuff like Bubsy can come back just fine.

>>718930193
MH, RE, and SF are all Capcom has the time of day for anymore, because they're the most braindead normie-appealing series that sell to the lowest common denominator. FGC faggots for SF, "wao zombie jump out at me" streamers women and children with RE, and "I want a grindy MMO to obsess over loot in but still want to button mash" for MH.

>>718918089
>nobody cares about megaman. zoomers and alphas don't even know who the fuck he is.

That’s not the fans’ fault or the franchise’s fault, only the parent company’s fault. Do you have Netflix and know what Castlevania is or any of its games?

>>718930359
Fine, "guys FROM Retro." Whatever.

>>718930245
I think it's cute. I don't think it's a draw.
If Proto Man EXE was called Zero EXE, it would have the same impact. If he was called Burai, the visual callbacks and closeness to "Blues" would have the same impact. If he was Zeltork and had no Proto Man elements he would still be loved.

These things are novelties, but not what gets people invested.

>>718930193
Poor Dragon's Dogma.

>>718930594
Okay, well would the game be better if it was called Cyber Billy in Tron Land?

>>718918619
Perhaps Megaman peaked too early with the 2nd game out of pure dumb luck on the NES too. It should’ve been a gradual rise and he should’ve made the jump to SNES asap rather than staying on the NES longer than he needed to.

>>718930245
>>718930594
I think you're both overlooking that some characters were riffs on or outright inversions of their Classic/X iterations. Blues.EXE is a pathologically duty-bound fed that goes to his death willingly because he was told to by his owner. He's the exact opposite of Blues Classic's "I live as I wish, that's all".

>>718930660
It wouldn't be any better or worse. That's the point I was making. Kind of a shit name but so is "Battle Network."

References are novel but not the core appeal. Giving it that much credit leads to
>>718926808

>>718917998 (OP)
Can’t successfully transition into 3D = dead irrelevant series.
Happened to Megaman.
Happened to Castlevania.
Almost happened to Metroid.
Really Capcom should have taken inspiration from Metroid Prime and Ratchet and Clank and made a great 3D Megaman 20 years ago. Inafune was such an incompetent retard.

>>718930193
i want to see my beautiful husband again

>>718920169
>It's weird how Capcom only published the MM vs SF fan game when there are so many better ones.

Capcom probably only cared about it because it had Street Fighter in the name

>>718930779
No, absolutely. Some were remixes. They played on expectations a bit. It's neat, all I'm arguing is that it's not a strong pull for what made BN so fun. For a lot of kids, EXE *was* Proto Man, end of story. Same for Bass.

>>718930782
But like I said, it's not just references. It's iconography. The Megaman brand has a whole look and feel about it. You have iconic cute enemies like the Metools. You have music that sounds a certain way.
Battle Network is a familiar yet different Megaman game. It's not the same thing as say putting Megaman in Fortnite.

>>718930982
I think the fact that it riffs on old Mega Man games is a very, very small part of the appeal unless you're brand obsessed.

>>718925909
>1, 3 and 5 are all pretty strong action games, and 4 has good combat
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>718930907
It works from both angles. You can enjoy it because you're a long time fan of MM and see where stuff from earlier games got recycles, or you can enjoy it entirely on it's own terms.
Either way, you're enjoying Megaman. You're interacting with Megaman characters, fighting Megaman enemies, and enjoying Megaman music.

>>718931131
>Nothing to say
Yeah that's what I thought, bitch.

>>718918089
>i'm a millennial and i only remember the cartoon
How is that even possible
The cartoon appearances are like the most obscure pieces of MM media

>>718925029
That's a human girl dumbass.

>>718931215
*Was a human girl
The black 'bodysuits' in ZX are their actual skin on the Reploid bodies humans uploaded themselves to.

>>718929643
Z1 is way easier than the other 3, its got the shortest levels and the most reasonable boss fights.
Despite its flaws its the only Zero game that I can actually enjoy playing. Well I guess 4 isn't too bad eother, but not really one I'd revisit.

>>718931196
>DMCslopper thinks his games are worth anything than a laugh and spit
Pathetic.

>>718931337
>dude, everything is slop
Okay, what do you like? call of duty?

>>718931293
No it's not dumbass. I knew I'd find you here posting ever more batshit retarded headcanons.

>>718931189
I dunno. I can't see it that way. That just sounds really sad; having a couple high quality deck builder RPGs with a charming world and instead of the gameplay or the world they built you're getting your dopamine rush because Numberman kinda looks like Bright Man and SpringusDingus looks like ChungusLord from MM World 5.

>>718931337
>>DMCslopper
you got filtered by DMC1 didn't you

>>718931589
No actually DMC1 was the only decent game in that entire kusoge series and that's ironically because it used to be RE4

>>718931395
>Makoto Yabe, General Supervisor, Publicity Illustrator, Animation Supervisor, Character Designer, and Scenario Writer on Rockman ZX said so in an interview
>"It'S jUsT yOuR hEaDcAnon"
>assumes who I am for disagreeing with him

You have a bodysuit fetish AND schizophrenia.

>>718931497
It's literally both. the "charming world" *is* Megaman. If they just made it a new IP, it wouldn't have all that, or it would be so similar to Megaman people would be asking why it wasn't Megaman.

>>718931650
So you didn't play them.

id be happy with anything, primarily so the r34 machine starts back up, honestly.

>>718931753
You lost the humanoid argument, you lost the skin argument, and you've lost your mind.

>>718917998 (OP)
The people have spoken and want more Resident Evil slop

>>718917998 (OP)
Capcom doesn't have anyone left to make Megaman games. their "Megaman guy" left years ago, and there hasn't been a new dev who wants to take up that role. Its a shame, but forcing some corporate suit to make a new megaman game instead of a director with a vision would be even worse than leaving the series dead.

>>718921896
I think you have a good idea, anon

>>718930759
>Megaman 2 is the best Megaman game
>Megaman X2 is the best Megaman X game
funny how that works, although i don't think it really holds up for battle networks, Zero, ZX, or legends.

>>718931765
There are multiple Mega Man subseries that do the exact same thing without direct remixes. Nobody is mad at Star Force for not calling Cygnus Wing Storm Eagle. Battle Network would not be worse off if Guts Man was Construction Man.EXE. We know this because they did exactly that in the sequel series.

>>718931879
>an out of universe quip on the equivalent of a Steam achievement overrides a direct statement by the guy that wrote the setting and then drew it himself

Get well soon.

>>718932113
Starforce is still Megaman, so I don't see your point.
It's also way less popular than BN, incidentally.

>>718928642
Yes! The more entire essays you write, the madder I get! You're not a lolcow! Go on.

I wish MML2 didn't suck.

We already had a modern MegaMan Legends game and it was great.

>>718917998 (OP)
Capcom management sucks dicks. Megaman is not a AAA franchise, and all they care about is AAA blockbusters now. A smallish budget project that makes decent money and earns goodwill isn't something they care about.

>>718932073
>Megaman 2 is the best Megaman game
This couldn't be farther from the truth. Its like bottom 3 in the series.

Megaman has always been unplayable dogshit for deranged autists.
Pic related is objectively some of the worst game design I have ever seen. It's pure trial and error pattern recognition. It's tedious anti-fun garbage that is completely unpleasant to play and overcome. Even when you complete it successfully you just say "That was not good".

Megaman fucking sucks and deserves to be dead. Be happy you got 3 playable games in the franchise and move on.

>>718932302
Just this, but cell Shaded and cute is all you need, really.
I don't know How Capcom doesn't see that.

>>718932208
>Starforce is still Megaman, so I don't see your point.
The argument was this
>>718929691
>Half the fun of it was seeing how they would reinterpret all of the old characters.
which then continued down this chain, with the recurring point being that direct callbacks aren't that important. The actual content means more than the names used.
>It's also way less popular than BN, incidentally.
Yeah, I'm sure that's because Bud and Luna weren't called Spark Mandrill and Berkana when they merge with aliens. Fuck off. You're being an obstinate cunt.

>>718932390
bro, just use Rush Jet.

Robots just aren't cool to westerners

Every now and then, I wake up from a dream where MML3 was released, and I am sad to be awake in a world so much worse than the dream.

>>718932293
It doesn't?

>>718932554
Me too Anon, me too...

And why does it need to be AAA? Pretty much every famous capcom franchise started as low budget game and got famous before being AAA (RE, DMC, MH, SF).

No problem with them making AAA games nowadays, but they should keep doing low budget games from other franchises.

>>718932439
>Half the fun of it was seeing how they would reinterpret all of the old characters.
Well yeah, I was simplifying.
It's also that the Megaman brand itself has a certain look and feel. It's a colourful high tech future, where people have robot buddies, and everything has a particular look, and the music has a particular sound. It doesn't have to always literally *be* Cutman, but maybe you have something reminiscent of Cutman, like Boomer Kuwanga.

Anyway, you were saying Megaman Battle Network should have been Billy and the Computersaurus, and not a Megaman game at all. I was saying "no, it being a Megaman game lends it a certain value. Not everything has to be a new IP, just because".

>>718932848
>Anyway, you were saying Megaman Battle Network should have been Billy and the Computersaurus and not a Megaman game at all.
Damn, I love making shit up that didn't happen when I lose an internet argument to massage my bruised ego.

>>718917998 (OP)
>implying Megaman 12 for Switch 2 as a timed exclusive isn't already in development

>>718922087
I mean it could work

>>718933145
>>718922087
>it could work
It's a third person open world action game with a heavy emphasis on environmental storytelling in a the rubble of a prior world's ruins. Dodgeroll, dodgeroll, dodgeroll.

Soulslikes are direct descendants of Legends as much as they are direct descendants of Ocarina of Time.

>>718933091
Okay, well don't jump in and pick up another poster's conversation thread. it's confusing.

>>718932341
I don't get why people wank MM2 so much either. It was a huge improvement over the first game to be sure, but I think MM3 was just as big of an improvement. Powerslide improved both level design and boss patterns, you couldn't just face tank and spam mega buster to kill everything you actually had to learn a pattern and when to jump/slide. Also combining those various items into a single transforming robot dog was a nice change.

>>718917998 (OP)
>empty survivalslop world
god I hate zoomers

>>718933365
Are you this guy?
>>718922843
How about this one?
>>718923415
Are you this one?
>>718929556

If you're none of them, then you jumped into the reply chain after me, so take that excuse and shove it deep inside your ass.

I've been consistent this entire time. Don't act like a little bitch just because you got caught making shit up and acting like a faggot.

>>718922843
I want a new Mega Man spin off game that is to Pragmata what E.X. Troopers is to Lost Planet.

>>718933662
Apologies, should have written it better. That last one is responding to my post, about 7 year long 100Mil$ AAA Mega Man. It was posted after mine. I phrased my question wrong.

I honestly believe that Pragmata is a stealth megaman reboot

>>718933272
it's more that they're all kind of dungeon crawlers.
While I understand the term "soulslike" and what it refers to, it does carry with it this implication that Demon's Souls was year zero for this style of game, when Demon's Souls in itself is really like King's Field 7.
Games with a lock on system lend themselves to having some kind of sideways dodge, hence "rollslop". That's not even something that's from Demon's souls. It was heavily popularized with Ocarina of Time, and then further popularized with DMC. I'm not even sure where this kind of system appeared originally. Maybe Tomb Raider?

Anyway, yeah, people who are under some kind of misconception that Demon's Souls ultimately changed or ruined games in some big way, have no idea what they're talking about. They're just getting mad at the current thing.
The biggest innovations these games brought to the table is probably having limited heals that regenerate at checkpoints, and making you drop a currency upon death.
DMC3 had roll and parry, before Demon's Souls ever came along.

>>718933662
NTA, but I'd play Capcom's Billy and the Computersaurus just as readily as I would Rockman.EXE. I don't need CutMan.EXE and an endless sea of references and callbacks, I'd have been content with it imagining its own world. I really don't think the Mega Man branding adds anything to it.

>>718919531
Nobody cares about okami either, you stupid furry dogfucker
Just move on

>>718934184
Yeah, same. I think what they made is Mega Man adjacent, but if they pulled an Exoprimal and called it something different it'd be just as good.

>>718933662
No, I responded to the guy who said BN should have been something else, because it was "unrecognisable as a Megaman game by that point".

>>718922719
yikes

Don't be mad that it's gone, be glad that you had it.
Besides you don't deserve a new MM game after you damaged the series reputation by backing Mighty no. 9

>>718934040
I believe Pragmata's basically a reimagining of Megaman in the same way the Protomen is.

>>718934040
We'll know if there are obvious MML easter eggs

>>718934168
I agree, it's just somewhere between amusing and infuriating how zoomers think everything was invented the moment they became aware of it. Getting to pick a character with a moveset is now "Hero[genre]".

I just want to point out that legends predates ocarina

>>718934184
That would just be like when Sonic Team made Billy Hatcher, and everyone could immediately tell it was Sonic in a chicken costume.
Like, fine, but you didn't really make a new character, did you?
If Capcom are going to make a new IP, they should make a new IP, and not Megaman with the numbers filed down. They should make a game where you play as a crazy Lawyer or something.

>>718934628
>everyone could immediately tell it was Sonic in a chicken costume.
Aside from how Billy is only superficially similar. And how he controls entirely differently. And his game is designed differently. And the art style is going for an entirely different mood that evokes Yoshi's Island.

But yeah, no, it's just Sonic because of Uekawa's art style for the characters. It's so fucked that they tried to have fun instead of maximizing branding potential. How awful.

>>718922843
Nobody wants or cares about a Legends 3 except for 10 autists. By and large a new NT Warrior-like spinoff would likely sell better

>>718917998 (OP)
>There is no excuse for Capcom abandoning the Mega Man IP
>no excuse
Yes there is, it's called money.

>>718934628
>Sonic fan
Go back to Twitter and argue about his muzzle shape and jerk off limp references to 20 year old games.

>>718935116
It's like "why?" though. If you're going to make a new IP, make a new IP. Don't make another colourful animal themed platformer, where the characters even look like Sonic characters. That's just Sonic.

>>718917998 (OP)
this will be megaman in 2020

>>718935303
GUTSMAN!!!

>>718935303
>bomb woman
>smallest tits
It's like I'm in ga ga crazyland, brother!

>>718935419
Mega Man was a series of sidescrolling platformers with a level select that let you challenge the bosses in a variety of orders. Battle Network was a linear RPG series with a unique real time grid based battle system. The two were about as different as you can get, its only Mega Man because they branded it as Mega Man.

>>718935303
They kinda tried it but you need more to keep your game afloat.

>>718935419
Why did Intelligent Systems make two different tactical RPG series with colorful officers for portable systems?

Because companies aren't people. The people in those companies want to explore their own ideas instead of being held back by the ideas of people who came before them. We've seen this redundancy of concept in order to pursue differing artistic perspective fade over time as budgets have ballooned and corporations fall back on proven breadwinners.

TL;DR, your mentality of familiar comfort over expression is why games are getting worse.

Megaman is whatever genre it wants to be. It's almost hard to think of a genre it HASN'T been. Soccer, racing, light novel with rail shooter segments, 3D soulslike, card-collecting JRPG, TRPG, there were boardgames, there were fighting games made into actual arcade cabinets, etc etc etc. He has more genre coverage than fucking MARIO. The fact that Capcom struggles with making it work is a statement about Capcom, not Megaman.

>>718935743
And right now an NT Warrior like game would ironically be a much better investment both short and long term compared to making a traditional Megaman game, and especially when against X or Legends. Unlike those three you could easily build it up as a mobile and PC title and allow seamless integration and almost try to deliver on the world the anime for NT Warrior presented in the real world. Every aspect of the NT Warrior series really needed partial AR and mobile/PC cross platform integration

>>718935743
A franchise is more than just its gameplay. Pacland and the other spin-off Pacman games share very little in common with the traditional Pacman gameplay but they're still easily identifiably Pacman. You don't need to stick to a specific type of gameplay for it to be a game of that franchise.

Another good example are the Touhou games. The first game was more of a Breakout game than a traditional SHMUP, but you also have fighting games, but they're all still inarguably Touhou games.

>>718935743
Megaman is also a series set in a brightly coloured and cartoony future, where humans have cybernetic pals, there are familiar character archetypes you see over and over again like the kindly old professor, the cute little sister, or the cool experienced guy who wears red, and the soundtrack tends to consist of upbeat rock and jazz fusion.

There's more to a brand than some binary question of "is this a platformer? yes/no".

>>718934259
Nobody cares that you're too retarded to notice the watermark in that image which was the point.
Just an hero.

>>718935949
I think it's more a statement that the artists at Capcom don't want to work on a pastiche of 70s Japanese children's TV and would rather make their own stuff without the brand expectations or otherwise work on one of the big IP.

And that Mega Man episode from Secret Level? Is it going to amount to anything?

A Soulslike Mega Man could work. It just be a darker version of the Mega Man X series with the war of the Reploids.

>>718936467
>Secret level
You mean the show that made a whole episode for a game that shut down in a week? That Secret Level? No, obviously it's not going to amount to anything after losing that much credibility in a few weeks.

>>718936467
It managed to be one of the least bad segments. What a fine legacy.

>>718936553
I would unironically play an Elf Wars game outsourced to FromSoft.

>>718936553
>Soulslike
Kill yourself unironically. We don't need more rollslop, and we certainly don't need it with a Megaman skin.

>>718917998 (OP)
It would just suck anyways. Virtually every new entry to these classic franchises is shit. They're better off dead.

>>718936647
Legends is rollslop

>>718936647
>dude, I hate rolling!
Why?

>>718926808
Is that IAN "THE KING" "LOREMASTER" "MEGA MAN GOD" FUCKING FLYNN?

OH MY SCIEEEEENCE I'M GOING TO COME

>>718936706
Yeah, which is why no one liked it. I've said multiple times in this thread that a new Legends entry would be disastrous for Capcom as a financial entity. They have so many disparate genres that Megaman has dabbled in but by far this would be one of the worst investments and end products you could actually come up with for the series.

>>718936553
Unironically, I think a Little Witch Nobeta-esque Mega Man game would work wonders.

>>718936809
I hate how this game looks fun, but I'm definitely getting my name put on a register if I play it.

>>718917998 (OP)
CAPCOM HIRE THIS MAN

>>718936579
>You mean the show that made a whole episode for a game that shut down in a week?
wtf, Shadow Labyrinth was canceled?

>>718936959
You're on 4chan so you're already on that list. Just buy it

>>718936808
I liked Legends 1.
Legends 2 sucked.

>>718922719
>Eagle2x filtering

>>718917998 (OP)
UE 5 LEGENDS REAL SOULLESS

>>718936959
It's unironically one of the better implementations of a 3rd-person shooter soulslike, at least as far as solo indie dev projects go. IIRC the devs are currently focusing on making a porn game featuring Pink Nobeta, but if/when they make LWN2, they really need to focus on making platforming more challenging and really integrating your fast and agile movement with the combat. The game tends to give you large arena spaces to navigate around for most combat situations but it could honestly do with forcing you to deal with both enemies and platforming in some areas, I think.

Failing all that, just having way more of the same would be perfectly serviceable too.

>>718937098
2 is not a bad game but 1 is definitely better than 2. 2 has this woman though.

>>718937502
>>718937098
Arguing between Legends 1 and 2 is like arguing over Super Metroid and Metroid Prime, or Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. They're all great games but you can tell where the developers' attentions went in each, and your preference will determine which panders to what you want better.

>>718937662
Legends has the smallest fanbase and almost nobody remembers it. Capcom banking their entire franchise on it has one of the highest risks of tarnishing the brand for another decade or two

>>718937662
No I get what 2 is going for. I think it didn't do a good job at it.

>>718937746
What would you have done differently? Honest question. I prefer 2 but I admit 1 has a special charm to it that kind of gets lost in the big plot of 2.

>>718936959
If they put every name on a list of someone who buys a game starring a little girl, they're going to have some long and useless lists. There's no sexual content in that game, man.

>>718937502
AAAAAAAA I'm getting kanken flashbacks

>>718921896
Nah, he's right. You should kill yourself. The only more modern game that MML should take any direction or mechanics from at all is Ratchet and Clank.

Did your Megaman survive?

>>718938143
>series theme is endless struggle and the futility of utopia
>it was an ARG all along

I’m gonna keep it real I loved Megaman X3 despite it not being up to the same quality as X1, X2 and X4. Zero Project hack brings it up to an 8/10

>>718938143
I'm telling you, Capcom is sitting on megabucks if they make a PC/Mobile game around NT Warrior marrying elements of Genshin Impact type games and Pokemon Unite that doesn't carry the risks of any of these dead sub brands. In 2001 the idea of a world in your pocket, NetNavis/P.E.T.s was an insane proposition but the tech is here now to do something amazing with it and likely create a series that could last 5-10 years even as a soft reboot.

>>718932554
>Bubsy 4D before Megaman Legends 3, Sonic Adventure 3, Banjo Threeie and Klonoa 3

What could possibly go wrong?

>>718925590
>Also I don't see ANYONE blasting RE
7 was dogshit and 9 is going to be more of that. Everyone here who isn't a brown zoomer that watches streamers and has never played old RE knows Nakanishi games are shit.

>>718937662
I like music and so 2 is better

>>718937814
I think if we really wanted a sense of scale and adventure, there needed to be more flavor content and take some cues from games like FF7 for low cost implementation of things that make the world feel bigger. Legends 2 really could have used a traditional world map.

Feels like they wanted to do that kinda thing based on the cut content. As incredibly impressive as the cutscenes are, I would have said they should have scaled those back if it meant more immersive content.

>>718938540
Why do you think Sato succeeded where he failed?

>>718937662
>Super Metroid and Metroid Prime
SM is fantastic and Prime is dogshit. Horrible comparison.
>Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2
This comparison actually makes sense.

>>718934434
Cute Robot girls, Siri and Alexa would be jealous

>>718938872
I think you're confused. Prime is a great game. KH2 is repetitive garbage just barely saved by its boss fights.

>>718935303
Should’ve posted Megawoman 2 Robot Masters, it is the most popular game amirite?

>>718938872
Metroid Prime is an outstanding example of environment design and atmosphere. There isn't even a single reused hallway in the game; everything is meticulously created. Super Metroid is one of the most tightly designed gameplay experiences ever made, but suffers from 16 bit sprite tile environment construction.

>>718938941
Kingdom Hearts 1 is an adventure game with combat segments, Kingdom Hearts 2 is a combat game with adventure segments.

>>718938941
>I think you're confused. Prime is a great game.
No at all. Prime is dogshit and one of the worst transitions to 3D any series has ever had.

>>718935949
Sonic has yet to tap into the RPG genre properly, we don’t talk about Chronicles on DS

>>718936467
Only thing that amounted to Megaman in Smash since 2014 was the 11th game in 2018 and nothing more as of now, not counting collections and compilations.

>>718936706
Don’t disrespect Roll like that!

I bet you’d complain about no Rollback Netcode!

>>718939107
Hello, Mr.Dobson. I didn't know you quit making art to come whine on /v/

>>718917998 (OP)
nobody liked legends

>>718939461
Smash?

>>718938009
Never passing the opportunity to post the fabled Megaman Legends Quiz Lady

>>718939551
Other M is also dogshit, it just wasn't the series' transition to 3D.

>>718939631
>this was originally a grammar test in the Japanese release
>turned into a pop culture and history quiz in the American release
>Japanese rereleases replaced grammar with the American quiz
>Carbons are a living archive of 20th-23rd century Human culture

That this quiz exists and the history/culture version seems to now be the intended true version is a massively deep lore cut. The poster of "a comic book hero" of Zero on the store wall, too.

>>718939087
>Kingdom Hearts 1 is an adventure game with combat segments, Kingdom Hearts 2 is a combat game with adventure segments.
This is correct.
The problem is the genetic mob groups in 2 aren't very interesting and are copy pasted over and over again. Combat system's great. Content is ass. It's a DMC4.

>>718938009
>>718939631
it's not that bad what a 針小棒大な complaint

okay, but you're getting a megaman soulslike

>>718940035
Thank God this isn't real

>>718938009
>>718939631
it's not that hard. what a 針小棒大な complaint
>>718939861
>grammar
kanji test, you sperg

>>718940094
Fine, kanji test. Point stands, there are pseudo-humans in the year 80XX holding classes on Jimi Hendrix.

i love to hate these things

>>718940035
I don't want that. Unless that just means Megaman Legends 3, since that subseries had i-frame dodge rolls anyways.

>>718939631
I sat down and memorized that whole damn thing when I was a kid. Never even occurred to me to write the answers down.

>>718941204
At least you can kill them in some games.

>>718941327
that's no fun

>>718917998 (OP)
he's using chatgpt in any way he can

CAPCOM HIRE THIS MAN

>>718922162
this webm is retarded, nobody who plays the game will ever use this weapon let alone play this brainlessly
>>718925580
nobody uses this weapon either
>>718925718
this is one is okay but only because it showcases a specific enemy that only aggros on certain conditions

>>718938540
>Everyone here who isn't a brown zoomer that watches streamers and has never played old RE knows Nakanishi games are shit.
that's the key word, like it or not we are a minority within a minority those brown zoomers are Capcom's current target audience.

>>718943154
You're right, and that's an abstract kind of feel.

>>718925628
>this is what the majority of /v/ and the majority of gamers unironically believe now
We have fallen so far. There are no heroes left in man.

>>718943097
>nobody who plays the game will ever use this weapon let alone play this brainlessly
But it's funny.

>>718939018
why does bubbleman have skin disease?

>>718929963
>Darkstalkers starving at the table
That always struck me as a weird choice when people talk about IP Capcom left behind. Never Rival Schools, Plasma Sword, Final Fight, Viewtiful Joe, it's always Darkstalkers. "Please Capcom make a new Darkstalkers." "Capcom abandoned Darkstalkers." Where the fuck are all these alleged Darkstalker/Vampire Savior fans? They must be pretty fucking starved given they haven't had a video game in almost 30 fucking years. Hell they'd be dead from starvation at this point so why even bring it up in conversation anymore? It's a legacy series; good luck seeing modern Capcom put forth the effort necessary to do a new entry justice.

>>718918089
I grew up with megaman as a zoomer, shut the fuck up

>>718947004
Because people like the character designs a lot.

>>718947004
I'd take more Viewtiful Joe, but come on, all it really needed was the trilogy and party game it got. If they want to do a collection on modern systems, I'd pay the price of entry for that though.

>>718932648
it does

>>718948582
I didn't really like any of the games after the first.

>>718947004
I'm the one anon asking for Strider.

>>718921987
>Yeah it's a bunch of smaller games each selling between 0.5-2 millions
There's 130 Mega Man games but the total series sales are at 43 Million. The average Mega Man game has sold about 330k.

>>718949382
He has four good games, isn't that enough?

>>718949364
Yeah. 2 was a big step down. All the new mechanics just diluted the good ones from 1.

>>718947004
>Rival Schools
They can't make it because ESRB and CERO would melt down at the sight of Hinata's panties, we've been over this.

>>718949446
There's 38 core games. A lot of that # is rereleases and the like. The mode is absolutely 300-500k, though, yeah.

>>718949585
I'd say it's three good games. NES Strider I'd only recommend as a curiosity in how not to program your game, and Strider II (the non-capcom one) isn't something I think of positively.

>>718947004
Plasma Sword styled after MGR would be great but they'll never do it

>>718928890
there is some platforming in pragmata

>>718949667
They also can't make Legends 3 because le heckin' sexualized teenyboppers. They'll never let you barge in on your teen sister taking a bath in cuckworld.

>>718951457
For good reason, because degenerates like you seem to view that as the only reason to buy the game.

>>718953079
>you want to see cute teen girls in the bath? this is horrible! waah waah muh degeneracy
You enjoy nigger cock.

>>718949950
Yeah, but from what we've seen, it looks like it's more "press forward to climb ladder" tier than anything substantial. I wanna believe there's more meat on the bones, but Capcom's been real stingy with info since that delay. Here's hoping it's not another one of those hallway simulators dressed up with sci-fi window dressing.

>>718918089
Same, I only remember the anime.

>>718917998 (OP)
>30 years later and no game has the same movement and feeling of MegaMan X 1-3
I'm tired, bros.

>>718920169
Heres what you do

>Explore a more cartoonish style to run through the RE engine, not UE5
>Release Mega Man Legends as a 3 Chapter RPG/Action Adventure Game

>cut production time in half by just porting the original 2 games over to next gen with updated graphics. Nothing needs to be added or changed, save for modern slop updates (controls/camera filter/original/updated music).
>Make Mega Man Legends 3 the last chapter in the game (MFers going to space)


Capcom could also follow the horrible customizable price model SF6 does, but more game centric focused content. Just as long as it doesn't affect the core game. They could do co-op ala Dead Rising where someone can jump in and out of your games (would be cool if you could collect and keep your zenny from multiplayer) .

You could even have an Island to double as a multiplayer hub to trade shit

>don't ever go the soul slop route

You have no idea how disappointing it was coming off Project Phantasma/ Master Area and then playing Armored Souls. Absolute garbage. Keep that shit away from this game.

>>718925718
Looks like dogshit

>>718954680
ttyd was able to get a spiritual successor in bug fables. why can't mega man?

>>718956237
I hope you get the reaction you're baiting for.

>>718956598
meant for >>718925718

>>718917998 (OP)
There just wasn't enough interest and or support for it. At another street fighter game got its chance to shine!

>>718949446
>130
there are less than 40 actual games, a little more than 40 if you count shit like the weird soccer, cart racer or the dragon's lair style spinoff. Regardless, that means on average each game sold over a million copies, no other series with so many games can sy that

12 classic
8 X
4 Zero
2 ZX
6 BN
3 SF
3 MML
Command Mission

Elden ring would work because its basically copy pasted enemies everywhere in dungeons across different zones with weapon upgrades and armoe upgrades and bullshit bosses which cordon you off into a room.

Exactly the same as megaman

>>718917998 (OP)
>There is no excuse for Capcom abandoning the Mega Man IP.
They fucked up their timeline and now they cant make games without deus ex'ing some reason for the events of the game to happen that is also in line with the games that follow it. For example - I'm sure another X game in the same vein of the PS1 style would be fairly well received. It wouldnt be a blockbuster, but would be a great cult hit for that community.

What in the goddamn fuck would you do for the story. They absolutely wrote themselves into a corner, they already have that era's:

>beginning (Cain finds X, MMX)
>middle (numbered games)
>end (Zero seals himself)
>what happens after the end (Elf wars and megaman zero)
>and all that proceeds from that (ZX, Legends)

There isnt a game they could make in any of those separate "series" that would satisfy canon. Its a finished series.

>>718960212
Just make a direct sequel to X1, or any of the early X games, or even a prequel.
And if you want to do something interesting with the story, just not having Sigma as the bad guy would be nice.

>>718960212
A third ZX game? That ended on a cliffhanger too.

>>718919543
NEVER