Thread 719012087

>>719012087 (OP)
>Nobodies are one piece of a whole. They need to accept that

>nevermind, Nobodies can be their own people separate from their originals

My favorite part is how Xemnas was able to gaslight the entire organization into thinking every emotion they ever felt were lies

>>719012087 (OP)
where did it all go wrong? KH2 was so peak

Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.

>>719012087 (OP)
reminder that this scene and many others are now completely undermined because of nomuras fanservice trash writing.
magically making Roxas and Xion into full people (even tho that's literally not what they are) just because they have spergy fans who like them.

>>719012272
Nobodies being their own entities makes sense for Roxas and Naminé, since they became their own individuals. To an extent, it even makes sense for Xemnas. But it's absolutely ridiculous for everyone else because there's functionally no difference between, say, Axel and Lea. They're literally the same person, just with looser morals in the case of the former. If Axel develops a heart, only to get destroyed and return to being Lea, does that count as newly developed lifeform Axel being killed permanently?

>>719012319
BBS was the turning point of shit

>>719012319
Birth by Sleep. The lore was fine when it was just about Sora and Co.'s modern day adventures, with the only real major event in the past being Xehanort destroying Radiant Garden. But now there's just an endless cavalcade of "But there's also this guy from decades/centuries ago who was plotting stuff that has ramifications now!" that the series is just bogged down by.

It also doesn't help that subsequent entries keep cheapening the appeal of the characters by making their dialogue more wooden and attaching all kinds of prophecies and other special shit to them. Sora is supposed to be an ordinary boy who just had a great task thrust upon him, but then Blank Points says that he's destined to save the BBS Trio. And then Dark Road also implies that Sora is the Child of Destiny who is meant to bring balance to the Force or some shit. It's crazy.

>>719012780
They retain memories as shown through Roxas, if anything a Nobody is just an evolution of the human body, where as the heartless is the devolving of the soul. Sora retains Roxas's memories in small bits even when they weren't together, Roxas retained Sora's in Data Twilight Town, and Sora retained his morals in the form of a Heartless.

It's silly, but in universe, it's consistent.

>>719012272
>One Piece
Sounds the peak fiction alarm

>>719012319
BBS made things into a clusterfuck, and KH3 was the window for Disney to go full corpo and trash any potential that could have came out of what BBS started.

>>719013137
>No Keyblade armor for Sora/Riku/Kairi
the only cool thing ( aside from Aqua I guess) that they introduced and immediately threw away.

I don't really get or care for any of the story stuff, but I sure do like hitting things with the keyblade.

>>719013226
I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by the lack of keyblade armor for Sora. I foolishly thought that was going to be a big reveal for KH3.

>>719013372
>all those fucking keyblade forms, and not one could've been an armor form
actually big dumb on their part.

>>719013265
You are the kingdom hearts player I wish most normal fags could see, because stupid stories aside KH as a series holds really good entry level AJRPGs, even GBA:CoM.

>>719013417
>keyblade armor specifically gets used to go to keyblade graveyard in bbs
>no one except remnant bill (for obvious reasons) uses it when everyone goes there in 3

>>719012938
>KH2
>Sora has two keyblade because its cool
>BBS
>Sora has two keyblades because he has two souls inside of him or was it three I lose track

>>719013565
Acknowledging LW after the fact, when he was there to be an easter egg for BBS for Final mix originally, makes me even madder. I don't think the BBS trio even dawn armor in 3 to begin with.

>>719013137
>Sora learns Sonic Rave from fighting Cloud, literally learning the move that Cloud was using against him
>"Nah, that was actually a standard Keyblade ability."
>Sora realizes he can throw the Keyblade since it always returns to his hand whenever anyone takes it, gaining this power after another fight with Leon, who showed him that fact to begin with
>"Nah, that was actually a standard Keyblade ability."
>Sora gets Ars Arcanum after having a fight with the most skilled swordsman he'd run into up to that point, adapting some of Hook's wild swings into his own style
>"Nah, that was actually a standard Keyblade ability."
>Sora fights against Riku-Ansem, using his mix of swordsmanship and magic as a basis for his final special ability
>"Nah, that was actually a standard Keyblade ability."
I fucking hate when prequels do this shit. Why do so many people just feel the need to suck the uniqueness out of the original story when they write prequels?

it's legitimately very rare i see a character's purpose and point defeated so completely thoroughly as roxas's has been through the introduction of xion (literally introduced to round his friend circle out to "kairi and riku" alongside axel) and his revival and personing (the entire struggle of a nobody is they AREN'T their own person, they are half of a real one)

>>719012272
Nobodies normally AREN'T separate people, dumbass. That was the whole point. If Nobody-Axel develops a heart on his own, it's so indistinguishable from the original that the re-merger that eventually happens doesn't produce any distinction. Roxas's whole situation is different because he's the only nobody to be born without the mind of his original "self", since normally that's a fundamental requirement for a Nobody to BE. That's why he developed a heart entirely separate from Sora's.

Fuck's sake, it's not like KH2 doesn't say this, even before Days and 3D beat you over the head with it.

>>719013851
NTA, but my question is-
is Roxas a true extension of Sora, based on Ventus's influence?
OR
is Roxas his own person born of many different interactions Sora has in his heart? Because 3 acknowledges him as his own guy, but 2 having Roxas merge back with Sora gave me a mixed feeling. Same with how Namine is her own person, but still a part of Kairi.

>>719013791
>introduce Roxas in KH2
>hint at all of these interesting story beats that occurred in his past, like his relationship with Xemnas, fighting Riku twice, etc.
>come to Days
>Roxas is a backseat participant in his own game
>Xion is more important than him and not even playable
>Roxas is a drooling child that only knows how to ask for ice cream for most of the game
>there are not two encounters/fights with Riku, making that story beat get retconned
>in case all of that wasn't bad enough, here's discount Roxas in Birth by Sleep who is basically just the worst parts of Sora and Roxas as a character
>also, he as a character becomes completely pointless when the X-Blade doesn't even need him specifically
It's all so tiresome.

>>719014015
Naminé rejoining with Kairi was always confusing to me.
>Naminé is Kairi's Nobody
>Nobodies are the residual body that is leftover when a person becomes a Heartless
>Kairi never lost her body
>Kairi is now double bodied?

>>719014015
Roxas is his own person, completely separate from Sora. The resemblance to Ventus is just a result of the connection Sora and Ventus made and has no bearing on Roxas as a person (similar to how Vanitas looks like Sora for the same reason)

Roxas is able to re-merge with Sora in KH2 because, despite having a separate heart, he's still driving Sora's literal body around. So Sora's Body re-merges with whatever the fuck he is in the period between Hollow Bastion and the start of KH2, but Roxas is still holding on to himself because his heart is still separate— it's why the Roxas bossfight in TWTNW is literally just Roxas attempting to hijack control of Sora's body.
The Namine situation is irrevocably fucked up and I don't even know where to start on that one.

>>719014164
Namine is a product of producing a second Nobody from Kairi's heart inside him when he jabbed himself with the Keyblade of People's Hearts in 1, she's in effect a second Nobody of Sora's while still being a product of Kairi and it's why her powers as a Nobody pertain to Sora's memories and why she's kind of insubstantial and easily subdued

>>719012087 (OP)
>Nevermind it wasn't over at all lmao oh look there's Xion and Naminé too, fuck it

>>719014164
I guess it was because of Kairi being in Sora's heart (the reason Sora never got separated entirely and how he comes back). And this is also how Xion fits. Namine is one half, Xion is another, and they're already a half of what Kairi gave to Sora. So one Kairi Nobody = 25% of her heart I guess.

>>719014015
>Same with how Namine is her own person, but still a part of Kairi.
Namine's situation is weird because she literally canonically breaks every established rule of the setting even in KH2, but that's kind of the point— out of all the nobodies, she has the least reason to exist.
Princesses of Heart aren't supposed to be able to produce nobodies because the full lack of darkness in their hearts means nothing fades into the RoD or gets turned into a heartless when they lose their heart, so their hearts and minds just stick together (hence why Kairi could sort-of communicate with Sora in KH1)
But, in Hollow Bastion, Sora becomes a heartless while Kairi's heart is in his body. this more or less results in the universe freaking the fuck out and creating an extra nobody without a body, from the heart of a person who wasn't supposed to have a nobody at all. It's functionally an in-universe dupe exploit.

>>719014652
I like to think of Xion as an inverse take on what this was.

>>719012319
you ever hear the phrase 'brevity is the soul of wit'?

KH did the complete opposite.

>>719012319
Days.

Xion being a donut steel and fans wanting her back.
Sora saving the TVA was fine, but Roxas/Namine already got their conclusion in II.

>>719012623
the funny thing is that most of those roxas me fans liked him because of those scenes, and would have just preferred him to stay dead

>>719014164
Don't worry, Namine & Lingering Will are rule breakers, they shouldn't exist but they do.

is the story deeper than the usual disneyslop? are you taking down gods or demiurges?

>>719015182
When the OC is allowed to come in yeah, you also get some Sephiroth. But the main focus is still didney.

>>719014794
>brevity is the soul of wit
Anyone who uses this phrase unironically is a complete retard. The whole joke with that line is that it's because spoken in the middle of a comically verbose rant by a character who spends his entire time on stage going on comically verbose rants.

>>719015182
>is the story deeper than the usual disneyslop?
It's anime.
Sora uses the power if light and friendship to fuck over evil old guy with the power of darkness.

There's a lot of concepts at play that try to explore human nature (THE HEART) within the Disney and Original worlds, but most of the characters stay trapped within their 2 or 3 main traits.

The best story is Chain of Memories that explores how memories can make us who we are, how a change can turn us into someone different, how even having memories but no heart to feel them can leave us hollow and how they can be a chain that traps us with guilt.

The gameplay is simple but the writing is really good.

>>719015424
>The gameplay is simple
>but the writing is really good.
Fuck you, you know what you did wrong.

>>719014934
>Sora saving the TVA was fine, but Roxas/Namine already got their conclusion in II.
Nah, Sora had to save Roxas. I don't like the specific way it was done, but Sora was never going to be happy with someone else sacrificing themselves for him. He's fundamentally not secure enough in himself for that.
I still think KH3 should've had a sequence where you go through Data Twilight Town to extract Roxas's heart from Sora.

>>719015424
>The best story is Chain of Memories
would it be best to play the GBA or the 3D remake? i don't mind emulating GBA instead of playing on PC

>>719015592
I will recommend Re:CoM, just for visual consistency with I/II.
>>719015485
Sonic Blade/ Lethal Frame go brrrrr.

>>719015053
>KH2
>"Man, it sucks that Axel died. I wish he lived."
>KH3
>"Man, it sucks that Axel lived. I wish he stayed dead."

>>719015592
GBA has better gameplay and writing but rancid dogshit audio quality, Re:CoM has jankier gameplay and anime dub issues (since they didn't bother reanimating the cutscenes for the dub like most KH games) but better sound. Pick your poison.

Fair warning, though: GBA CoM has the hardest mandatory boss in the entire fucking series.

>>719015712
AND CLEAN, THE GAMEPLAY IS SIMPLE AND CLEAN, I HATE YOU

>>719015724
>GBA CoM has the hardest mandatory boss in the entire fucking series
I can think of five bosses that this could apply to.

>>719015775
I'm specifically thinking of Ansem 2.

>>719013851
Its because of vens hearts
Also why roxas looks exactly like ven
Sora had vens heart inside of him when he became heartless.

>>719015532
I think it was an opportunity for Sora to grow.
I think bringing Roxas (and thank Namine) back should have been a different quest that Sora took on his own, not something that the Lab Team did for SCIENCE.

I think there was enough meat there for it's own side-game.

>>719015829
That was the first one that came to mind.

>>719012087 (OP)
>these beings who are full of peoples hearts what should we call them???
>heartless
>ok, and these beings without hearts, what do we call them???
>nobodies

they really should have their names reversed

>>719015969
>I think there was enough meat there for it's own side-game
Honestly, fully agreed, but unfortunately KH3 went through enough development troubles that you can practically feel Nomura shouting "WRAP IT UP WE GOTTA GET THE SHIT TAKEN CARE OF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY MORE SPINOFFS" through the entire Keyblade Graveyard section.

>>719014164
Kairi actually does lose her heart
She doesnt become a heartless because she is a princess of heart.
The body will become namine
The heart was in sora
The unconcious kairi is the soul
Then sora reunites heart and soul for Kairi
Namine is the body

This is a rare case because usually the nobody gets the soul but kairis unique position as a princess of heart is what causes this
Sora is also a rare case due to having multiple hearts inside of him

>>719016151
Heartless worked fine on their own. They were remorseless, pitiless creatures that hunted people down without mercy. Having heart in their name fit fine. It wasn't until Nobodies were introduced that the name retroactively became somewhat ill-fitting.

>>719015724
>GBA has better gameplay and writing but rancid dogshit audio quality
i tried checking romhacking.net and it doesn't seem to have any fix for the audio that i can see and it may also be overly bright, pic related? the pixel art seems really good, too, damn.

>>719016193
Yeah, I can feel that Nomura wanted to "Please, wrap it up" so that he could bring the new ideas of the Lost Masters saga without much baggage from the Dark Seeker saga.

That he released Dark Road AFTER III is something I still laugh about.

>>719016325
The audio quality is mostly an issue with the music.
https://youtu.be/la2FZG-cREo
https://youtu.be/C3Qb9xbGrQ8
It's not UNIQUELY bad for GBA, but the GBA is just kinda like that in general.

>>719013226
>>719013372
Nomura said the armour was a mid 2000s fad for him and he later regretted ever introducing the concept

>>719016512
I think it should have appeared at least one time, in the Realm of Darkness on the fight with AntiAqua.
Make Sora/Riku's armors match Ven/Terra's so that AntiAqua gets crazier and crazier fighting his friends.

If he doesn't want to use them again make it so that they left theirs in the Realm.

>>719012087 (OP)
I always think of this scene whenever August arrives, and now it’s the last week of August. I’m honestly happy because Summer sucks booty. 2025 is almost over. We’re in the endgame

>>719016992
>phoneposter isn't brown enough for the desert

The more backstory Roxas got the more I shifted from "poor guy" to "fucking deserved".

>>719016992
Does it cool off in September? I thought that was part of summer?

>>719012087 (OP)
The only good part about KH2 is the opening hours

>>719012087 (OP)
KH2 is almost 20 years old.

>>719016992
>Spring kills my allergies
>Winter's too cold
>Summer's too hot
>Fall is not only the perfect temperature but has the perfect vibes
What area on Earth has the most Fall? I wanna go there.

>>719016367
>releasing Xehanort's backstory after he's already dead
Nomura can't keep getting away with it.

>>719012319
Osaka team taking over the combat design

>>719016992
Winter is only good for the lack the lack of insects and scenery.

>>719012319
(You) tell me

Naminè Sex

>>719012319
>wow we have a series with two very successful console releases and a singular handheld spin-off
>now let's release endless canon games on every rinky dink handheld under the sun (also a Japan only browser game)

>>719019293
there are several games in-between those three, anon

>>719014330
>The resemblance to Ventus is just a result of the connection Sora and Ventus made and has no bearing on Roxas as a person
If Nomura wanted people to see Ventus/Roxas as different he shouldn't have made them 1:1 clones with overlapping narratives. The whole thing feels like a sloppy pivot.

>>719016859
I miss Sora's pumpkin pants.

>>719012319
nomura is an autistic manchild so he had to tank KH to try shove in his faggoty verum rex shit for his "MUH VS 13"

>>719019476
It's really funny how Sora has so much chemistry with other girls like Ariel, Rapunzel, Naminé, etc. And then he gets around his actual love interest and there's pretty much nothing going on between them after KH1 until the scene where they kill him off so you'll be sad.

>>719014164
Kairi and Naminè are literally Pyra and Mythra even having the same hair colors

Does that make Sora Rex?

>>719016512
Nomura actually is the idiot people think Kojima is.

>>719012938
And then Nomura went and made it worse by introducing time travel in 3D and THEN went off the rails by saying "Actually a lot of characters from the series actually time traveled from the far past where there was this huge war with this group and there's a mysterious hooded figure nobody knows who he is but he's actually the key behind everything in the franchise"

>>719019283
God I really need to move to a town that has a winter like this.

>>719019748
>he shouldn't have made them 1:1 clones with overlapping narratives
He didn't. Sora and Ventus have different face models. Roxas has Sora's face model with Ventus' hair. Their narratives also don't really overlap at all beyond "waking up without memories", but Roxas' case is far more extreme because for the first two weeks of his existence he doesn't just lack memories but a fucking mind entirely. He's literally described as a brainless zombie.

>>719015592
I recommend the GBA version, it fits the card gameplay better and it's how the game was designed in mind

>>719018987
He didn't. That's why Missing Link was cancelled.
>>719019687
BBS was going to be a PS3 title but Sony made the PS3 a puzzle for developers. Also he signed on VsXIII and everyone knows the rest.

>>719019476
KH2 Namine is pure sex

>>719019713
CoM is the detailed horse dick
BBS is the long face.

>>719020589
Unless you WFH, it isn't worth it. You need to drag a car out of the snow or walk in freezing conditions every fucking day.

Cofee and hot chocolote becomes godly, though. The one thing that I love about winter towns is that hot food becomes 10 times better than in warm areas. It makes you feel more grateful for what's taken as a given.

I fully stand that KH1 is the best game
It's almost a perfect game in everything it tries to do. KH2 has better combat and is more ambitious but that's all I can think of being better than KH1

>>719012319
>story
CoM already added way too much bullshit that's impossible to resolve.
KH2 could've just ignored that but instead went along with it, and then 358 and BBS made clear that it's only going to get worse.
>gameplay
don't know, haven't played 3 yet. or 358.
but BBS was already pretty mid.

>>719019293
I still can't get over everyone in 3's being awkwardly crammed together with their heads all cracked into the same robotic 2/3 stare. It just encapsulates 3 so well.

>>719021041
I wanna argue because 2's combat is so fun to grasp, but 1 really does have the better learning curve, tech (like the actual tech system), the way the camera is close to Sora to make you really focus on surroundings, it even has the better Sephiroth boss.
But I think the Org and some Nobody bosses are done better than a good chunk of bosses in 1.

>>719021041
>I fully stand that KH1 is the best game
Not with that movement, I get that it was a JRPG dev trying to capture some Mario64 magic, but they did it all wrong.

Then they overcorrected with II making godlike movement but in big simple rooms, with only real platforminf in the Cavern of Remembrance.

>>719012087 (OP)
>Hate spending hours playing roxas
>Get to his finale in the mansion
>Get to this scene

>>719022016
KH1 is very fluid given how PS2 action JRPG platforming sounds in a vacuum. But is KH2 really better to navigate through? Both Sora's move about the same speed, even when comparing dashing and rolling. They both get fast glides, I guess KH2 Sora does get a skateboard, but that's about it.

>>719016151
The heartless lack hearts, so they steal others. The nobodies lack souls, so they try to pretend to be real people.

>>719012319
Bringing back the organization was stupid. You wrote brand new villains for CoM/KH2, why couldn't you just do the same for the rest of the franchise?

>>719020620
>Sora and Ventus have different face models. Roxas has Sora's face model with Ventus' hair.
Those still in denial over Nomura being a hack wish this were true, but no. They're identical clones down to the clothes on their backs.

If Nomura always intended for them to be separate and distinct he should have designed them that way, but he didn't. You brought up Vanitas yet anyone with eyes can see how different he is from Sora, the same isn't true for Ventus and Roxas.

>Their narratives also don't really overlap at all beyond "waking up without memories"
Roxas' story literally picks up where Ventus' ends. Ventus' story ends with a damaged heart, no memories, and seeking Sora for help. Roxas' story starts years later with a damaged heart, no memories, and separating from Sora.

Not to mention other foreshadowing throughout BBS like when Ventus meets Lea and quickly becomes friends with him, as well as other Organization Somebodies, and all these interactions end with "we'll cross paths again someday", clearly predestining Roxas joining Organization XIII.

You don't add scenes like this if you want to establish these characters as wholly separate entities.

>>719015182
Kingdom hearts lore get extremely autistic. If you stop at KH2 its still pretty simple to follow, but the later games just go completely off the rails into insanity.

>>719019293
Did the heart moon even show up in KH1? Or did they like how it looked on the cover art so much they put it in 2s finale?

>>719012087 (OP)
Roxas >>>>>>>> shit > Sora

>>719022016
But KH1 movement is great tho

>>719023625
Sora jumps like an old man with a crooked back.
>>719022472
Yes, KH2 gives you way better tools to maneauver (mostly for combat) and an increased overall speed (again, for combat).

>>719024678
I wouldn't consider RC a 'tool'.

>>719016992
Fucking this, the weather here is already starting to get in the mid 70s and low 80s with a cool breeze with slightly cloudy days. It's borderline perfect weather, Fuck summer

>>719012623
None of the games after the first matter.

>>719017628
The temperature tends to start dipping by early September, so those 90 degree days tend to be more in the mid 80s at worst.

>>719022738
>Those still in denial over Nomura being a hack wish this were true, but no. They're identical clones down to the clothes on their backs
Their clothes are blatantly different, retard. They even have different outfits in the Super Groupies collab. Please quit being dumb.

KINGDUM HEAAAARTS

>>719012087 (OP)
Your summer vacation is what? Over.

>>719023079
The moon is Kingdom Hearts, the heart of the original world which links to all others.

It doesn't really appear in KH1, other than as the flash of light that turns Ansem into roasted pork.

>>719014015
>>719013851
>>719012272
Namine and Roxas reuniting through Kairi and Sora was kino and I'm mad they got made into their own people. It was the perfect mix of bitter and sweet.

>>719016512
That's retarded. The keyblade armour was super cool.

Namine got dicked by the Big Riku Cock.

The dream-likeness of KH1 was never replicated.

>>719026202
>Super Groupies collab
lmfao, never discuss the lore with KHfags

>>719023079
>Did the heart moon even show up in KH1? Or did they like how it looked on the cover art so much they put it in 2s finale?
>KH
Light that kills Ansem, KH is asleep in the Realm of Darkness, Ansem opened a door to it and gets killed by it.
> KH II
Fake KH made of hearts of people.
> KH BSS
Real KH is summoned but vanishes the moment the X-Blade is destroyed.
> KH X [chi]
KH appears at the end of the Keyblade War, it dissapears because everyone is dead.
> KH III
Real KH appears in time-traveled Scala Ad Caelum.
Sora sends it back to sleep.

>>719015053
This is pretty much how I feel about shadow the hedgehog as well, funny enough.

>>719028602
DDD Traverse Town and Symphony of Sorcery.

>>719028602
KH1 feels a little 'softer' for sure. As much as I like chilling in twilight town it never hits as hard as traverse town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBtXjvLk-Ts

>>719028602
KH1 felt like an adventure through Disney worlds. Every game since has had the Disney stuff as an obligation, being too focused on OCs.

Fuck, remember when Maleficent was a central villain?

>>719028915
>Fuck, remember when Maleficent was a central villain?
Union X, yes.

>>719028915
Pete is still pretty prevalent in KH2, but it definitely lessens with every entry. I think its a two sided issue. Disney is more restrictive with their IPs and nomura cares more about anime boy autism.

>>719012272
It operates by dream logic. In the old games they didn't have any emotions but the canon changed as soon as Sora called bullshit in DDD because Sora is the only one who's even a little bit lucid and the dream had to retroactively change it's own lore on the fly. This kind of thing probably won't happen in 4.

>>719012319
>you WILL hate everything
>you WILL accept the narrative!

Stop bitching or I'll kill you.

I never really cared for Maleficent and Pete and am glad they stopped being central villains in the series

>>719030953
sovlless

>>719031629
>3
>decent
bait

>>719032602
3 was fine, I'm sorry if you hated the story or whatever but the game itself was just ok.

>>719016325
The OG GBA didn't have a backlight til SP, it would look like right image on original hardware

>>719032602
3 was perfectly fine with a rushed plot and a handful of gameplay issues.

When is KH4 releasing?

>>719030953
>Maleficent and Pete and am glad they stopped being central villains in the series
>He doesn't know

>>719031629
I took ReMind as III.
Base III would be between base KH and Re:CoM.

>>719033647
lol
lmao

>>719034290
>3D and BBS in A tier
Hold on der partner you're gonna hafta explain yourself

Mansex

We need more TWEWY

>>719012902
>>719012938
BBS was fun to play tho

>>719034431
I played them at launch, so I have great memories of them.

A lot of people played them until the collections were made or emulated them on PC and never knew how good were the games on a portable.
> DDD
Amazing on the 3DS, the reality shifts are better, Flowmotion fucking pops out of the screen, even the minigames are miles better like Flick Rush or the Dream Eater torture song miniggames some of the magic didn't translate to home console.

> BBS
Good enough on the PSP, and the 3 campaigns are broken commands are waaaay more understandable on a portable, also I have great memories going from base BBS to FM thanks to having a hacked PSP. I have played that games like 4 times (Base PSP, FM PSP, FM PS3 and FM PS4).

>>719012902
A shame given how good the secret trailer was for KH2.

>>719017746
KH2 is 20 years old though?

>>719012623
>magically making Roxas and Xion into full people (even tho that's literally not what they are) just because they have spergy fans who like them.
You could've gotten away with bringing Roxas back if you established that he IS Ventus reborn. So you could have a playable Roxas but is called Ventus and has his memories. https://youtu.be/-G9ao6JIGig?si=gdaxvemXFBxt9neq

>>719019748
Well Roxas wields 2 (TWO?!) Keyblades, while Ventus wields his backhanded

>>719032897
>>719033387
>the game is shit and unfinished - "decent!"

Xion is both my girlfriend and my boyfriend.

>>719036473
It's not shit, just unfinished. It's decent but marred by a few glaring issues, none of which are bad enough to drop the game below a 7/10.

>>719036383
Ventus and Roxas literally aren't the same person, never are, and never were. Anyone who says this is retarded and didn't pay attention.

>>719028602
For anyone who starts a new playthrough of KH1 The choices in the tutorial greatly affect your game such as what abilities and stats you get and how fast you level up.

>>719014036
>Roxas is a drooling child that only knows how to ask for ice cream for most of the game
Cut him some slack. Bro's like 1 year old and has no memories of being a person.
>>719014336
>she's in effect a second Nobody of Sora's while still being a product of Kairi and it's why her powers as a Nobody pertain to Sora's memories and why she's kind of insubstantial and easily subdued
So she's their kid?

>>719036250
Not until December 22nd, you stupid chinky pajeet jew

>>719012087 (OP)
>Looks like my boring cringy overly-long tutorial is...over
Why did he say that?

What the hell is her problem?

>>719028602
It’s sad how Kingdom Hearts will never be able to do anything like this again

>>719036634
>Ventus and Roxas literally aren't the same person, never are, and never were. Anyone who says this is retarded and didn't pay attention.
Forget about 3D and after, bro. The implication of Ventus looking like Roxas and all the shit with Roxas seeming to have a heart in Days points to him being Ventus reborn. Non-autists would automatically assume that after watching this https://youtu.be/-u8xaYVR1Rs?si=GKuNKmguekkff1pv

>>719036751
ME TAKE SWORD
ME DROP ROD
ME ALWAYS REPLACE DONALD
but i do like midday tho

>>719036950
Marluxia didn't rape her enough

>>719012227
Perfect example of how a good soundtrack can carry a shit game.

I always felt like Hades and especially Malificient were going to be enemies as important as the Square Enix enemies.

Did that happen?

Did Pete at least get his redemption? I always liked how he was somehow able to summon the Timeless River.

>>719029881
Pete’s a joke villain who exists to be a foil until the Org become more prevalent.

but what's in THE BOX

>>719036983
No you see they are different because Roxas's chin is slightly longer

>>719036950
self conscious at her huge feet

>>719033647
>KH4

What could possibly go wrong?

>>719036950
She's based on this character.

>>719037248
There's a lot of FF8 DNA in KH. More so than any of the other games. Seems like it's Nomura's favorite.

>>719033647
Never, you will get your FF7 Remake Part 3 and you will like it!

https://youtu.be/P88VToc9AeY?si=CSPJdOj2Jfgpvnhl

When will we see a Star Wars world? What era would you want?

>>719014330
>Roxas is able to re-merge with Sora in KH2 because, despite having a separate heart, he's still driving Sora's literal body around
Then he should've went after Ventus and merged with him. That way he has an actual body and memories to call his own.

>>719037456
That would be Versus XIII, he's willing to turn KH into it.

>>719036510
Look at your hand and tell your hand you love it

>>719036950
She has cute feet and I want to paint her toes :)

I'm so glad this series died, fuck square

>>719019476
Can you inpregnate nobodies? Asking for a friend.

Take me back to doing the whole final section of KH2

>>719012087 (OP)
>summer /v/ is over
finally

>>719026202
>Their clothes are blatantly different, retard
Ventus' clothes are a mix of Sora and Roxas'. Then he splits off from Sora and becomes Roxas, with his own style separate from Sora's.

>>719012087 (OP)
>genuinely thought roxas would come back throughout most of my first playthrough
i may be somewhat retarded

>>719014015
Im inclined to say roxas became his own identity due to being a mix of both sora and ventus so he is either but also neither of them, he's a schrodinger's identity which is why it justifies why he can dual wield as ventus had a history of meddling with the darkness while sora was the LIGHT that healed ventus. I believe that Roxas thought he could merge with Sora but turns out that Roxas cannot be trully merge with Sora because he already forged an identity of his own.
Namine is an entire concept which would easily disregard as a special rule for being a princess of light BUT I can ramble about how ventus' heart influenced kairi's heart forming namine in return since ventus carried the darkness that were plotting to mess around with MoM perhaps some of that ability was transferred to namine making her able to predict what would happen.

>>719012902
>felt nostalgic and began playing it again
>forgot how floaty everything is

>>719042365
Play this. https://youtu.be/m-PCkJNqefE?si=iGY9Hf9QbTC5zCdD
Or this and pretend. https://youtu.be/vW00x_YWoV4?si=cb2KH_7g4jnaEfgX

>>719013631
FOUR

>>719044165
Unless you're Terra, you're ass belongs to the ground.

>>719014786
an X-periment?

>>719016151
bodies with no heart? maybe they should've been called coldbodies

>>719016512
KH is 2000-core. should've stick with that

>>719016151
>they really should have their names reversed
You're an idiot.

>>719037187
Yeah but he's around a lot

>>719012339
Thanks for the chuckle, anon

>>719028602
KH1 had the perfect balance of being more disney but with an element that didn't treat this as living the movies either, it cleverly changes plot twists without disrupting what you remember of each movie

>>719013137
It's honestly impressive how much BBS fucked up the plot of the series going forward considering how little actually happens in that game.

>>719016859
>get this on my feed
>finally open it to find out what it's even about
>Microsoft Sam haha funny
>close video

>>719037143
Nah. Olympus is treated like an extended tutorial area in KH3 and while Hades is still a legitimate threat there, he explicitly tells off Maleficent and says he doesn't want to have anything to do with any schemes beyond killing Hercules and taking over Olympus. Once the game properly starts, he's gone.

Maleficent and Pete spend all of KH3 looking for the Master of Masters' box but never end up finding it. Nomura has no idea what to do with them. I don't even remember if Sora meets her over the course of the game.

take me back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im5tc4fcg5w

>>719046884
DO NOT watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0tODqQQRks

>>719015532
>Nah, Sora had to save Roxas. I don't like the specific way it was done, but Sora was never going to be happy with someone else sacrificing themselves for him. He's fundamentally not secure enough in himself for that.
>it's not good, because it would mean the protag wouldn't always get what he wanted.

>>719019748
and also shouldn't have given roxas ventus's voice lines in the post kh2 rereleases

>>719046884
I've never liked Simple and Clean as "The Kingdom Hearts Theme." Sanctuary completely destroys it.

>>719028304
Japs can't write but they would have thrown in some scenes in 3 where Roxas and Namine are dreaming/drawing together within the connection between Sora and Kairi's hearts.

>>719012319
Chain of Memories.

>>719047714
I think Utada managed to surpass herself with Don't Think Twice.

>>719031629
>>719034290
2>1>3>re:coded=>0.2>BBS=>DDD=>Re:CoM>days.
This is the objective ranking, but since I am a merciful god I will grant you some leeway.
Putting 1 over 2 is respectable.
BBS, DDD and Re:CoM are completely interchangeable.
GBA CoMfags get the benefit of the doubt and can place it anywhere 1 below and 2 since last time I played it my age was still in the single digits.
If you don't agree with these ranking you're opinion is just wrong.
Sorry not sorry.

>>719048242
I really like that song, but for some reason KH3 used that crappy Skrillex collab for the opening. They could have easily made a great opening video using Don't Think Twice as a more measured, nostalgic look back at the series, especially since that'd be playing on the emotions of people who hadn't played a KH game since 2. But for some reason they wanted an action-packed dubstep opening even though it doesn't fit with the series at all.

>>719031629
>MoM
>bad
No, you are

>>719047236
>19 years ago
>Can still vividly remember renting it from Blockbuster on launch week and playing Roxas' segment in my brother's room

>>719048494
>But for some reason they wanted an action-packed dubstep opening even though it doesn't fit with the series at all.
I don't mind the song, I think it's fine but I also think that there was no other place to put it that wasn't the opening and they did the best with that... I didn't have any expectations of III's opening after DDD, they made the perfect opening there, they blew their load early.

>>719047714
>>719048242
All three are inferior to their Japanese counterparts
Especially Don't Think Twice

>>719048494
The original plan was for Skrillex to remix Chikai/Don't Think Twice, the same way Hikari was turned into a house track for KH1.
But they decided to collaborate on a brand new song instead. I don't remember who pitched it, might've been Utada.
>doesn't fit with the series at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF46j34fD7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWseVx_rWLg
If anything, it's Passion -opening version- that doesn't fit, because they didn't give it an EDM remix. The only difference from the album version is a small section added in the middle.

>>719048887
I disagree, Sanctuary is better than Passion.

>>719048887
Hikari kicks the shit out of Simple and Clean, no doubt about that. But I think Sanctuary and Passion are too similar to judge, even though their lyrics are about different things. Utada definitely got better at adapting her songs by that point. Haven't heard the JP version of Don't Think Twice, though.

>>719049050
>Utada definitely got better at adapting her songs by that point.
Funny you say that because Don't Think Twice is easily the worst of the three lyrically. You'll probably notice it immediately after listening to Chikai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv7TlgwukL8
https://www.animelyrics.com/jpop/utada/chikai.htm
Don't Think Twice has a LOT of repeated lines where Chikai doesn't, because she clearly struggled to fill the space.

>>719049523
Listening to it now, yeah, the lyrics in Chikai are a lot more meaningful. But what I meant by adapting her songs was that she got better at having the songs sound the same even if it meant the lyrics had to completely change to allow it. Hikari has a lot more energy to it than Simple and Clean and if you just listen to the chorus of both versions it's hard to tell that they're even supposed to be the same song.

>>719050398
>and if you just listen to the chorus of both versions it's hard to tell that they're even supposed to be the same song.
That's because... they're not.
The melody for Simple and Clean's chorus is lifted from an entirely different song from the same album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IJMSWkV8co
>mfw listening to this album for the first time in 2018 and getting to this song

I need to lick namines armpit

>>719012087 (OP)
>play KH2FM Critical Mode
>it's incredibly fun, easily one of the funnest if not the best action game experience I've ever had, end up 100%'ing it
>put off Critical Level 1 run for a year because I think it's going to be utter assrape and unfun
>it's actually super tightly designed and really highlights the attention to detail the game has in terms of enemy encounters and boss design, in an odd way feels more like KH1 than base KH2

god why can't they make games like this anymore, KH3 doesn't compare at all

>>719016992
Summerfags are either children, unemployed, or work office jobs and rarely ever leave an air conditioned environment.

>>719037561
>What era would you want?
NJO, a world with Katarn would be too kino for words.

>>719037561
Prequel era would be kino but im glad we're getting RotJ with chad green lightsaber Luke.

>>719019897
>Does that make Sora Rex?
Yes

>>719047530
And having Roxas sound like Ventus in Days for synergy with BBS.