Thread 719031589

How badly will this game flop?
Will it be the biggest flop of the year?

Firstly only like 10 people even care about this franchise to begin with but they've managed to piss off the hardcore fanbase too by turning it into a dishonored clone.

I'm now looking at some (the?) stream and what I don't appreciate is just the DEI stuff. If I was this game's target audience, I'd play it. It would be alright.

At least you will be able to finish it unlike the original.

pretty badly

I actually wouldn't be pissed if was a Dishonored clone and I'm a long time player of bloodlines. But I doubt it's going to be close to either the first game or Dishonored.

>>719032425
Don't know what I'm looking at.

They locked 1/3 of the playable clans (classes) behind day-one DLC. You only do that if you're a Grand Theft Auto level guaranteed success, on top of the world, with the arrogance to match, or if you're absolutely sure your product is going to bomb and you want to extract as much money as possible from the handful of diehards who were going to buy it anyway.

>>719031589 (OP)
the original was a buggy unfinished mess on release but it had soul. the sequel will live or die by that same metric.

>>719032425
>can't pick the shotgun up with your own hands
kinda gay
>can levitate it
cool
>can't bring it through the door with you?
wha

>>719032581

The game has no weapons. Unlike VTMB you can't carry guns, knives, swords, etc. You hit with your claws, magic and at best you can use telekinesis on enemy guns like that shotgun to shoot around, but you also can't go with that telekinesis gun through doors.

>>719032581
You can't wield guns in VTMB 2 only lift them with telekinesis and then force them to shoot.

>>719032779
oh fuck thats lame

bloodlines was a rare first person rpg, not an fps. this seems to be purely a fps

>>719032779
Someone liked Sleeping Dogs a bit too much lol.

>>719032759
Why do you need to pick a shotgun you're not blade

>>719032425
lmao

>>719032779
yikee

>>719032425
What the fuck is that shit? why the telekinesis instead of using the gun like the human you should be acting like?
Did they forget what the masquerade is all about?

>>719032625
yeah but the original was carried by a lot of dialogue choices, the ability to create your own character and some really immersive hubs

All the previews I've seen have indicated they're really let down on all fronts. You're forced to play as Phyre with Malkavian Fabien's voice in your head no matter what. The dialogue didn't seem to offer enough options to directly antagonize other characters nor were there a lot available to speak with.

>>719031589 (OP)
>here is a sequel to this cult classic game from over 20 years ago
>it’s lacking most of what people liked about that game and has been in development hell for over half a decade
Curse of Caine, the chink room doesn’t stand a chance.

>>719033365
Where to?

>No Character Creation
>No Guns
>No Melee Weapons
>No Stats
>No Stat Checks in Dialogue (e.g. Persuasion, Intimidation, Seduction)
>No Inventory
>No Quest Log
>No Hacking
>No Lockpicking
>No Nosferatu
>No Humanity System
>No Gangrel
>No Frenzy
>Toreador locked behind $30 Day 1 DLC
What the fuck man, why even bother calling it bloodlines 2 when they removed everything that made it what it was?

>>719032912
One where you can't really even shoot
I'm actually trying to think of a first person game where the combat is primarily melee while using the occasional ability. Dishonored is the closest thing I can think of but even there you can use guns

>>719033634
TES if you are not a 3rd person player or an steath archer.

Please preorder bros

>>719032759
>Levitating guns instead of holding them normally
>>cool
-From Unnoficial White Wolf Wikia-

Masquerade (VTM)
Edit

The Masquerade is an organized disinformation campaign heavily enforced by Kindred society (mainly the Camarilla), meant to convince humans that vampires and various other supernatural creatures do not exist.

The basics of the Masquerade are enforced through self-policing and harsh penalties.Generally, a breach consists of any evidence of vampiric powers: feeding on blood, obvious use of Disciplines, regeneration in plain sight and the like.

Camarilla vampires are taught to blend in and to cultivate their Humanity in order to make imitating living people easier.

>>719033480
Anywhere but here

>>719032779
The fuck?! Why would they do something so obviously retarded?!

>>719031589 (OP)
>a dishonored clone.
Pfft, yeah, right. They wish.

>>719033893
The Masquerade is TOO FASCIST, CHUD! It is MEANT to be broken by levitating your guns!
Rule of Cool!

>>719031589 (OP)
People forget that VTMB was a massive flop that literally killed the studio that made it.
I don't believe that it will flop to the same degree that the first game did.

>>719033976
I'm thinking it has something to do with that demo from the hardsuit labs version where the game journo couldn't aim a gun properly

>>719034171
not exactly fair though
it was a flop because it was released the same week as half-life 2

>>719033893
oh yeah that's true... lol uhhhh i guess leave no survivors or some shit idfk man.
>>719033041
blade is cool...

>>719033893
As much as I hate the change and think the game is going to be a huge pile of shit, you could easily argue that since the protagonist and an elder that's been asleep for a good long time the mask of humanity has slipped more than a little bit, and since anyone daring to attack them is going to (presumably) get the shit killed out of them, its less of a big deal.
Its pretty clear chink closet just dodnt want to make a shooter and thus just had guns as a temporary environmental weapon, though.

>>719031589 (OP)
>comparing this game to dishonored

Shill tactic. Dishonored is a good game, this is not. It may poorly ape a few things dishonored did, but that does not merit the comparison. In gameplay terms, I dare say it is the single most derivative game of the decade. And what I have seen of the story is exceedingly pedestrian.

>>719034171
>was
And now it's a cult classic that will be remembered for all eternity. A good price to pay to avoid filling Activision's coffers.

>>719033949
https://youtu.be/KvknOXGPzCQ

>>719031589 (OP)
They should have just cancelled it

please...

>>719033634
Vermintide
Dead Island(s) and Dying Light
Killing Floor as berserker

>>719033509
Publisher wanted the name so that it could retain sales based on brand name, the actual dev teams (both former and new one) wanted to call it something else.

>>719034595
Shame this didn't go anywhere. Sounded like it was going to be a real MMO.

>>719034595
A wod mmo would be a lesbian's paradise

>>719034609
>Dead Island(s) and Dying Light
oh of course
dead island 1's melee combat was just dreadful

>>719032581
I'm thinking more and more that Paradox has 1 or 2 people on here trying to push the game.
You are pretending to be retarded for money.

>>719032779
>removing features the first game had like proper FPS gun models
A PROPER SEQUEL THIS ONE LADS, AT LEAST SAVING MONEY FROM ANIMATING GUN MODELS SURELY MEANS OTHER AREAS OF THE GAME WERE IMPROVED RIGHT?

>>719032425
GOTY!
goyslop of the year

>>719034838
What gave it away? The near daily spam threads of the one dicksucker who has collected all the info he can get on the games and spends hours talking to himself?

>>719034678
>>719034701
>1000 neonates descend on whatever city the game is set in
>masquerade goes out the fucking window pretty much immediately
I see no way in which the game would NOT become an absolute shitshow, though the idea of a three-way cammy/anarch/sabbat faction war in an RPG would be hugely kino. Maybe make the sabbat like the enemy faction in LOTR where there's perma death but you have an unlimited number of shovelheads ready to hatch out at a moments notice.

>>719034978
>>719034838
I unironically thought the guy hating the game was making these

>>719034595
MMOs are always disappointing, just let it go.

>>719035087
what's the actual music also why do his arms look like jelly

>playing as a famous centuries old vamp instead of some rando neonate
i actually like it. of course, gameplay wise, it's not going to translate. they're going to use some excuse for why nomad isn't as powerful. because of the long sleep or the mark or some other bullshit. but it's nice not being a historyless small fry. liked bg2 because of that as well. you started off pretty strong right off the bat.

>>719032425
>>719033158
>>719032779
i think what they're going for is you're supposed to pick up the gun, magdump it quickly and toss it in seconds, of course it looks stupid if you're trying to walk around with it when all of the enemies are dead

yes, i also think it's stupid that you can't own guns in the game like VTMB and don't get the focus on first person melee combat which has never been fun in any game ever, but this specific aspect will probably become less annoying when you get used to the idea

>>719034443
You know the economy sucks when even an antediluvian murderer has to work as a cabbie

>>719035373
Bro just wanted to take a break

>>719035365
HAHAHA IM SHOOTING GUNS WITH MY FRICKING MIND

>>719035551
>bioware
That's why

>>719035481
If thats so, he could just say sorry to Abel

Female protag is kinda ugly

I can begrudgingly accept it being more of a Cyberpunk than a proper RPG but wow does that look like shit.

>>719035728
Cyberpunk is 100x more of an RPG than this pile of dogshit.

>>719035551
this reminds me of the same discussion during dragon age 1 times, and it's always a cover for shittier writing. when you have to account for every single line of dialogue you have to write shorter retarded sentences to save time and money.

>>719035365
I think in the demo it looks stupid, because you are Jackie Chan fighting three copy pasted clowns in every encounter. If there was enemy variery or harder fights, maybe it would look good. Like, in Harry Potter, there was a disarm combo that worked on specific enemies, and it wasn't bad.

>>719033158
I doubt there's going to be a Masquerade violation.

>>719031589 (OP)
It shouldn't have been a Bloodlines game, it set expectations way too high and besides the version we'll be getting won't even be an RPG, more like an action/adventure game. Also locking two clans behind day 1 DLC is peak fucking scum from Paradox, what a bunch of retards.

>>719035858
Talking about DA2 threads before game got released, right? Man how time flies.

>>719035551
You shouldn’t need a paragraph to express the degrees of sadness present in a voice regardless

the development of this game has been such a slow and painful thing to watch. there have been far less offensive projects to get their plugs pulled while this abomination persists.

>>719035927
Why should there be any?
Theres no such thing as Masquerade in "Vampire: the" franchise

>>719033509
You forgot
>no sexy bitches

Should've just titled it "Vampire the Masquerade: The Curious Case of the Great Seattle Phyre" or something, sold it for $40.
People would play it just for the story - the only people who care about this are already fans.
Now it will be hated and remembered as a franchise-killing debacle.

>>719036428
>designated bleeding streets

>>719036182
DA1 also because all characters were voiced besides the main protagonist. It was all downhill after DA1. These games are just too hard to make properly and it is evident that the industry has given up on making anything nearly as good. DA1 had like 160 voice actors.

>>719036637
At least in DA:O's case: it was a labor of love and a last hurrah for the retiring dev team. It's not only issue of being too hard to make, the people who want to make these games are simply not there.

>>719036451
They care about luring fans into a trap and getting their money. Many such cases.

>>719036451
The entire point of paradox buying white wolf was because they wanted to make Bloodlines 2

>>719036637
Think of the poor multimillionare companies, old games were able to do it without the techonology and development of today but...... please......please......PLEASE THINK OF THE MULTIMILLIONARE COMPANY FFS

>>719036872
I'm thinking about them, but not the way they think I should.

Last thread was a goldmine

>>719036996
this looks like a retarded bruja simulator or something

>>719036996
Why are zoomers throwing themselves at some guy who can gravity blast them 10 feet away?

>>719037110
>this looks like a bruja bruja simulator

>>719037140
for the content

>>719036872
a million is a small amount of money. that only employs 5 programmers for one year. so you cant really expect that a game with a 160 million dollar budget and an 8 year dev cycle is very well made since the dev team couldnt have been large.

>>719031589 (OP)
>turning it into a dishonored clone
Turning it into a *bad* Dishonored clone.
What did you expect from a studio that has zero experience making such games?
>How badly will this game flop?
I'll pirate it and give it a few hours for fairness but I think it is obvious at this point to any potential buyer that this is not the successor of VtM:B the fans wanted and will not scratch the same itch the original game did. whether or not it'll stand on its own merit is to be seen (but it does not look good currently, imo).

>>719036996
how the fuck does this look like it has worse combat then the first game. thats the 1 thing it should be better at.

>>719036996
Goldmine of what?

>>719036996
Yoooo this combat fire fr

>>719037235
>the chinese room
>named after the experiment where you throw a dude in a room and give him instructions to write chinese and on the outside ppl think he knows chinese but he doesnt actually understand anything about chinese
>make shit videogame
lol

>>719036996
It doesn't look like the guy is enjoying this

>>719037325
Funny webms

>>719037323
It's almost like it was developed by a walking sim dev

>>719037325
Gold

I think it looks fun in the same way as Swansong. I'll buy it when it's less than 20 bucks for the edition with all the clans.

>>719037228
>a million is a small amount of money. that only employs 5 programmers for one year.
It's ok 50 indians can make a game for 50% of that amount. Indeed, western programmers are too well off and demand too much money. If great games are to be made they need to humble themselves and work for a coffee and a croissant like the old days.

>>719037587
Why I not think of that saar? Great idea saar, we make AAA quality using UE5 great engine saar, save you money saar.

>>719037804
And Indians don’t need to flush so safe money on waters

>>719037587
>What if, instead of the chinese room, VTMB2 would be developed by the Indian room, and instead of Vampires sucking blood in it and killing people with blood magic, they would shit on streets and kill people with pungent smell

>>719036996
Obviously I don't know what it's really like to control, but this guy sure seems to be playing it like a geriatric whose last game was Galaxian

>>719036996
Man
Just make it turn based at that point or something

>>719032425
there's a filthy faggot in your webm

>>719037339
*this combat Phyre

>>719036996
buy an ad

>>719031589 (OP)
Women will flock to it

>>719032425
Please understand sir, we already went 20x the budget for this game and had no money left for adding the first person animation for guns

>>719036203
Paracuck invested too much on this turd and is desperate for some return

>>719038889
But the player character is a androgynous blob and there's no sexy vamp men.

>>719040454
Well then they fucked up

>>719037563
Yeah, pretty sure this is the play.

>Removes all sense of roleplaying
>Turns the Gameplay into a poor mans dishonered.
>Removes any semblance of sexuality
>No hubs.
>No word on sidequests.

>>719038805
if you really think someone from paradox or the chinese room is posting here on 4chan of all places you are beyond retarded

>>719041773
There's no side quests for the same reason there's no lockpicking, hacking, or persuasion - there's nothing to get rewarded with since there's no inventory or stats

>>719035365
>don't get the focus on first person melee combat which has never been fun in any game ever
first person melee combat is literally the most fun type of melee combat

It's crazy that VtmB and Riddick are 20 years old at this point and still btfo first-person adventuredoomRPGvanialites.

>>719037325
Pain.

>>719042127
all the upgrades from what i could see are just different ways to kill people, the game is literally just
>talk to some people, maybe make some moral choices
>move to an area to kill a bunch of guys
>repeat

>>719041773
>>719042127
Apparently there's sidequests

>>719042448
>>719037325
>>719036996
of yous. zoomtards and normalniggers turned this place into reddit.

>>719042127
I guess thats the reason behind the retarded "you're a super cool elder from the start" shit ass decision.

>>719042717
You have Reddit in your eyeballs, you should cut out your retinas immediately.

>>719032779
oof
gaming continues to progress backwards it seems

>>719042508
Yeah, the preview we got apparently ends like right before the game opens up, which is a really fucking weird choice when you're trying to market your game.

>no more psychopaths taking the limbs off of people
>no more storming a penthouse controlled by the russian mafia
>no more tracking down a snuff film made a Tzimisce
>no more fighting a giant fish monster with a girl dressed like a japanese schoolgirl
>no more saving a girl's life by unwittingly making her a ghoul and having her become obsessed with you

In short, no more soul.

>>719036996
Why the Covid masks?

>>719031589 (OP)
It wont flop but probably won't do well. Normalfags are lining up to buy it so they can be part of the "Yeah, I have played Vampire:Bloodlines" crowd so they will make it some cash but it being a pile of shit will stop it from doing well.

>>719043319
Oh I'm sure they'll keep the wacky fishmalk humor though.

>>719032779
why the fuck this game is called Bloodlines then if it has NOTHING from Bloodlines in it!?

>>719043960
probably to either save on animation costs by covering the face up, or dehumanizing them so you don't feel bad for murdering them on mass.
although probably that first one

>>719044114
money

>>719044097
Wacky fishmalks are seen as insensitive to people with mental illnesses nowadays.

>>719044097
I don't even want to know how modern female writers would try to write fishmalk dialogue

>>719041076
>toreador playable clan
>toreador discipline training
>4 NEW toreador outfits
Can you dress in any outfit in this and some are supposed to be inspired by specific clan like toreador that are already in the game? Or does this list basic gameplay mechanics (new clan = it's own model = it's own abilities) as separate features

>>719036996
This is the power of an elder, huh

>>719032425
This master lock can be opened by another master lock.

>>719044097
That would require effort.

>>719044114
last i checked Damsel is in it.

>>719044236
You can change outfits and accessories for your MC at any time, so I'm sure you get to dress as a Toreador even if you aren't a Toreador
As for why they have clan and clan specialties as different things, the whole system of this game is that you get the abilities of your clan almost for free but then you can also mix and match with all the other clans. So if you don't own the good goy edition, not only are you losing out on being able to select those 2 clans, but you miss on 10 abilities you can get, no matter which clan you pick.

>>719031589 (OP)
Whats the point of these projects the west seems to do it non fucking stop?
Buy franchise ignore original audience.

Why don't Korean, Japanese or Chink devs ever do this but Western ones do it all the fucking time?

>>719044584
what?
Japanese franchises ignore their fans all the fucking time.

>>719044114
because he opened it

>>719038724
turn on your monitor

>>719044097
They're not even going to keep that, because it would give some pink haired dyke on tumblr a panic attack or something

NOOO, YOU CAN'T MAKE BLOODLINES 2 UNIQUE AND INTERESTING, IT HAS TO BE A SHITTY GENERIC FPS GAME INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM A THOUSAND OTHER GAMES.

New interview with the devs. They say that the game takes place over nine days (or nights).
https://youtu.be/ZEVU4s8rXnk?si=bGff0YtJKnm9TVba

>>719044097
The voice in the player's head is a wacky Malk who uses Marvel quips

>>719033509
Only faggots want to play Toreador but yeah locking two clans behind day 1 dlc is bullshit and typical of Paradox

>>719043213
They don't want to market the actual game because it is shit.

>>719045159
Looks sick, just not Bloodlines 2.

>>719045159
It is not even a shitty generic fps game. They removed the "shooter" part

>>719045159
>NOOO, YOU CAN'T MAKE BLOODLINES 2 UNIQUE AND INTERESTING
You can, just don't call it Bloodlines 2.

>>719034391
You insta lose on masquerade breaks tho

>>719031589 (OP)
I just don't fucking understand why they insist on keeping it Bloodlines. It's not like this is some big name, the first one only has a small cult following.
The first devs probably really wanted to make a Bloodline successor, but it's obvious this has been ditched long ago. Just rename this shit.

>>719045159
this looks as stupid as killing floor 3

Are there any good vampire games besides Bloodlines? Are any of the text ones like Night Road good?

>>719045159
For all their shitty failures with this goyslop, I hope that at least the Character will yell "MUDAMUDAMUDA, WRYYY" with those celerity punches

>>719045680
What is a vampire game? Does castlevania count

>>719045680
Yeah, I enjoyed Night Road. Have you played Redemption yet?

No Nosferatu.

No Gangrel.

No Malkavian.

Paid Toreador.

Included a clan no one wants to appeal to a minority of hyper polarized leftists with a suicidal muslim fetish.

>>719045283
The gameplay of Bloodlines was terrible. Why are people so married to it?

I'm wondering, did we see this same kind of drama when Resident Evil 4 came along and ditched survival horror and completely changed the core mechanical design?

>>719045901
It's pretty obvious why people like Bloodlines they haven't shut up about it for two decades. There's no mystery here. The people that complain about VtMB combat are the same smooth brains that complain about Morrowind combat. There's no ignorance here.

>>719045965
No, we didn't. People were excited for RE4.

>>719031589 (OP)
Crazy how a game can be an obvious incoming flop for years upon years, you can have everyone on planet Earth screaming at the devs that their game WILL flop, and nothing will change.

>>719046046
Morrowind combat is objectively bad tho?

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore—
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
“’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door—
Only this and nothing more.”
Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December;
And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.
Eagerly I wished the morrow;—vainly I had sought to borrow
From my books surcease of sorrow—sorrow for the lost Lenore—
For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore—
Nameless here for evermore.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48860/the-raven

>>719046046
>It's pretty obvious why people like Bloodlines they haven't shut up about it for two decades.
Atmosphere and writing. Which is something the new version does seem to focus on perhaps too much.

>>719044097
>>719044949
The devs have said on record that they're writing Malks to be about depression because the MODERN AUDIENCE devs found the fishmalk and Jeanette in the first game to be icky

>>719045159
>UNIQUE AND INTERESTING

The rapid fire punching is a system devised by Batman Arkham, and picking up a gun and using one mag and then dropping the gun is a system devised by Mirror's Edge.
Nothing about this game is unique.

>>719046102
The thing is, it wasn't really avoidable. The original Bloodlines was a flop. Everyone knew it would flop. You have two options. Stick to your vision to make game people will remember, or sell out and try to make some mainstream popular game. Give the players what they want, as they say.

The part that's weird is Bloodlines fans pretending their game flopped because it released next to Half-Life 2, not because nobody gives a fuck about games like VTMB.

>>719045901
Would have been nice to get a game like that only with a more thoughtful approach to combat. Wasn't going to get it from Hardsuit though.
Item and level progression is a big part of what makes RPGs enjoyable and this is just an action game with stealth, super powers, and a few dialogue choices at select spots.
>>719045965
There were a few survival horror diehards, but most people liked it. The turn happened when 5 and 6 became more and more action.

>>719046226
>The devs have said on record that they're writing Malks to be about depression
Is there a source for this? I find a lot of people get the two completely different versions of Bloodlines mixed up and attribute quotes from one to the other.

>>719046226
Those were the old devs, the new devs haven't. Fabien is a jokester, not depressed.

>>719045717
>I hope that at least the Character will yell "MUDAMUDAMUDA, WRYYY"

No, if they don't go Omae wa mou shindeiru I'm not playing it

>>719031589 (OP)
Define flop.
Will it sell more copies than Assassin's Creed Shadows? No
Will it sell more copies than Bloodline 1 and every other VTM game? Yes

>>719033634
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Condemned 1&2

>>719046287
>The rapid fire punching is a system devised by Batman Arkham
No, it's devised by a bunch of anime.
>and picking up a gun and using one mag and then dropping the gun is a system devised by Mirror's Edge.
Mirror's Edge didn't build its interaction system around telekinesis.

What they've clearly done is go back to basics -- Half-Life 2. They started out making HL2 mods. This is very much what a Half-Life 2 inspired Bloodlines would be like. Once you get the gravity gun in HL2, it becomes essential to combat. The idea of picking up guns with the gravity gun and firing them at people is something people would have thought was sick as shit.

>>719046151
Morrowind combat is Objectively RPG combat that is based on your character's stats and abilities versus the enemy stats and abilities. That's not good or bad. That's something that appeals to people that like fully character side combat, but doesn't appeal to those that like their own skill to factor in. The entire point of a true RPG is that YOU don't matter 'your character' is what matters, what they can and can't do, what they do and don't know, etc.

You're proving the point by simply not understand the Morrowind combat or, worse, understanding the intent perfect but acting like you don't so you can keep calling it bad.

You don't go to a game of chess and complain that your physical football skills don't apply.

>>719033634
>a first person game where the combat is primarily melee while using the occasional ability
The Geriatric Tomes

>>719046356
Eh... Fabien is coping about something. The enthusiastic gumshoe thing is almost certainly a facade.

>>719046474
It's bad because it doesn't feel fun to play at all, like turn based or some real time with pause RPGs can. It was a flawed execution.

>>719046474
NTA. I do understand how it works, it is still shit.

the levitating guns (desu i hated the idea of guns as 'temporary power-ups' mechanic that was present early into development) feels like a modern california-esque 'we don't want to encourage gun usage so we will divorce the concept through a fantastical element'.
However, it's very important for a vampire to be strapped, should they encounter a scenario in which they cannot use their vampiric powers, and need to deal with hostile threats in a socially palatable way (see: masquerade violation)
>yeah well our game doesn't have any scenarios where the player will encounter some gang bangers or regular humies in public streets where they might be seen by civvies
okay but does the player character know that? did they read the script?

>>719046604
>>719046554
Congratulations. You've pointed out that something is not to your taste, not that it is bad. The game appealed to an entire audience of people that loved it, still play it, and create all sorts of content to expand it so they can do it some more.

Where else has that happened?

Oh right.

Bloodlines.

HMMMMMMMM

Do you understand out you drooling smooth brains?

>>719033893
>It's the same reason you don't let humas see you feeding. It's why the wolf doesn't want the sheep to know he's there. It's also why you don't go juggling dumpsters or out run the 8:15 from Sacramento. It's why you didn't know any of this when you woke up this morning. Keep our secrets secret, and you make things easier on all of us. We're living in the age of cell phone cameras. Fuck ups ain't tolerated.

>>719046474
anon i 100%ed Morrowind.
the combat is complete ass, i don't know why you're defending it.

Did the shill finally come here

>>719046698
>and need to deal with hostile threats in a socially palatable way

It's Seattle, anon. The third horse in the San Francisco Portland Seattle triple crown of faggotry

>>719046710
>Bloodlines.
and most of the community agrees that Bloodlines combat is bad, so idk what's your point here.

>>719046710
It's bad, that's why Bethesda abandoned it and no developer has ever made a game like that again. People like Morrowind in spite of its combat, not because of it. The same applies for Bloodlines.

>>719046710
No one enjoys early morrowind combat. You either use mods, console, exploits, use magic on side and/or strong early builds. Morrowind is a good game but not because of its conbat

>>719046808
>pacifist sections where you need to path through hordes of street-shitting fent hobos without using your powers, because you're denied weapons
mite b kino tho

>>719047019
>Seattle fent zombies
>Even Nosferatus instantly vomit if they bite any of them

>>719034171
Troika had cool ideas, but all of the games they released were buggy as hell. VTMB, Arcanum, and ToEE all need fan patches to even run in most cases.

>>719031589 (OP)
>been in dev for a decade
>niche target audience that are pissed off by a laundry list of criticisms
Financially, it's going to be a massive flop. I'm not a Paradox shareholder, so I don't care about that.
Looks like it might be fun for a single playthrough.
inb4 SHILL SHILL SHILL SHILL
Niggers tongue etc.

>>719047019
In tabletop, punching people isn't a violation of the Masquerade unless you punch them REALLY hard, like, with SUPERHUMAN strength. But you can sell this to kine as just being a good street fighter when you knock people out with one punch, which really easy to do if the opponent is a human.

>>719047113
>Sets it up to evoke the OG plaguespreader quest from the first game
>Turns out there's no mastermind behind it all, or supernatural element to it, they're all just that dirty.

>>719047192
Paradox already wrote off the cost of Hardsuit's version, though yeah it's still going to lose money.

>>719046698
Your character can double jump. Civilians notice you doing shit like that and call the police. But you can, you know, just MURDER THEM ALL, and wow, masquerade upheld.

>>719047002
I like it more than Oblivion, Skyrim or Starfield combat.

>>719047019
Fabien doesn't have any weapons. He represents the VTMB1 experience. In fact, his whole thing feels tailored to cater to fans of 1. His dialogue is first person. He uses disciplines in dialogue. All that stuff.

>>719046698
It's purely to cut costs. When you possess an enemy as a ventrue and switch to their perspective that character shoots guns just fine.

>>719047192
It's a bit of a misnomer that it has been in dev for a decade. There are basically two different games with the name Bloodlines 2. One influenced the other, and they assets made for one were reused by the other. But people really need to wrap their heads around the fact that they threw out the old game and hired a team to make a different one.

>>719047331
>In tabletop, punching people isn't a violation of the Masquerade unless you punch them REALLY hard, like, with SUPERHUMAN strength.
https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?si=ylQW1nTkMvm4RjdO&t=220

>>719047416
I think Ventrue have a mind wipe ability so instead of murdering civilians before they can call for the cops, you can make them forget.

>>719047529
>It's purely to cut costs.
No, it's not. They were determined to never let the player hold weapons physically. If they'd wanted shitty gunplay they would have copied the code over from the Hardsuit version. (This game just completely ignored all the work they did.)

>>719047597
Are we sure the MC is from the Camarilla!? Isn't she Sabbat or something? Because the flashy way she fights (powerful punches, levitating weapons instead of holding them normally, using claws), that's prime Sabbat behavior, desu

I can only see two things happening. People not really being all that interested because its shit enough that even the average retard is bored. People being completely obessed with it because it gets things like killing and looting right so nothing else matters and it makes more money than any Vampire The Masquerade game + TTRPG book has ever made.

>>719048054
>it makes more money than any Vampire The Masquerade game + TTRPG book has ever made.
That is not a high bar anon

>>719048168
I know but it make for good clickbait that will just make it seem like a good game in the eyes of the general public.

>>719048054
The game will live or die entirely on its writing and characters. Why did Veilguard shit the bed? Because people hated the writing. Because the characters were writer mouthpieces. Because you were railroaded into agreeing with the people who wrote the game. This isn't like that. It's the opposite of that. You meet characters like Lou, and she's just a complete asshole. Super prejudiced, hates goddamn socialists, hates thinbloods, all that.

anybody have the "lol i'm going to frenzy on purpose!", "human are cattle", and the "I'm going to punch a car!" mspaint image?

>>719048362
Lou uses the "U" word. She, and many of the other characters, are basically vampire Nazis.

>>719047743
You think the devs have some sort of political grudge against your character holding weapons in a game where you beat people to death with your fists, fangs, and special powers. Occam's razor suggests it's a resource issue. Paradox originally wanted this out within 2 years.

>>719048559
>>719048362
honestly surprised they seemingly didn't tone down or downplay the fact kindred society are a bunch of inhuman assholes.

>>719031589 (OP)
can only assume a lot, they aren't letting vampires use guns or melee weapons... or have tits/ass... utterly retarded

>>719048640
>You think the devs have some sort of political grudge against your character holding weapons in a game where you beat people to death with your fists, fangs, and special powers
Yes. From the devs themselves, two years ago:
>While making decisions about Bloodlines 2, one constant reference is our first game pillar: “Feel like a Vampire”. Everything you do in this game should make you feel like a predator of the night.
>In video games, we often get to be a mighty hero fighting against the darkness. Vampires, especially as playable characters, are underrepresented. We’re building the game around the experience of doing things only a Kindred can. With non-combat gameplay, we found early on we were doing the RPG tropes: find a keycard to open a door, turn on a generator to restore power to a lift. We put in a rule that the non-combat gameplay should be about something only a vampire could do; keep it aspirational.
>When we were exploring combat, it started off playing like Dishonored (which we love), but that didn’t feel right for a vampire: players were very cautious and afraid of the enemies they encountered. To us, a Kindred should stalk its prey and strike fearlessly like a predator. We want to build an action experience where players feel confident, almost trolling the enemies with their disciplines. Testers use the phrase “playing with your food,” which we love and illustrates how we think a Vampire: The Masquerade ARPG should feel has come up in playthroughs.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/welcome-to-the-chinese-room

>>719048559
Did they make Lou uglier? I could of sworn she was hotter when they first introduced her.

>>719049167
playtesters on the right

>>719049391
based

right is comprised of both 60iq and 200iq individuals

>>719049352
hey look, a blood feast!
I knew Seattle was a Sabbat Den

>>719049352
I was always annoyed how Swansong's concept art had stuff like this, but basically nothing like this ever happened ingame. (There was a vampire party, but you only see the aftermath after the SI gatecrash it.)

>>719049306
Nope, the Hardsuit version just showed her with very different lighting, same reason why some people believe they nerfed her tits.

>>719049167
That mentions nothing about having a grudge against holding a weapon. They and the publisher have eyes, they know the telekinesis is masquerade-breaking and looks silly. They're doing their best to spin it as a positive.

>>719049306
They shrunk her chest

>>719049656
I haven't gotten around to playing swansong yet, what should I expect?

>>719049672
>gameplay should be about something only a vampire could do
The whole game is built on this pillar.
>they know the telekinesis is masquerade-breaking
They do not care in the slightest. Everything you do in this game is masquerade breaking. You have double jump, which breaks the masquerade if you do it in front of people. The game is completely disinterested in having the player pretend to be a human.

>>719049821
A shitload of jank, and frustrating dice rolls. But an interesting story and characters. In the hands of a more capable developer and less awful publisher than Nacon it could have been something truly special instead of a worthwhile but deeply flawed game.

I will form my opinion after trying it for at least 2hrs then refunding it if I dont enjoy it

>>719031589 (OP)
>How badly will this game flop?
Bad. It's a cult niche classic game, but it's not like God Hand of Earthbound where everyone pretends to be a fan, so it's not going to get a bunch of secondaries latching on. It's also going to be shit so the fans of VtMB won't play it. It has no chance of doing well outside of a few kike faggot journalists pretending to be old fans of the original video game who insist that this one is a worth followup that's totally made for original fans.

>>719049889
Animations are not gameplay. Walking is also something humans do and yet your character isn't levitating everywhere.

>>719050125
>and yet your character isn't levitating everywhere.
Actually, you glide everywhere. (But you shouldn't do it in front of people.)
https://youtu.be/B5BDK0w_muU?si=l3yHmeL7kr5GdwcW&t=1680

>>719050106
It's selling itself as Dishonored meets Deus Ex meets Mass Effect 2. Doesn't that seem like a game with significant mainstream appeal?

>>719035365
>i think what they're going for is you're supposed to pick up the gun, magdump it quickly and toss it in seconds, of course it looks stupid if you're trying to walk around with it when all of the enemies are dead
Why wouldn't they let you do both?

>>719050330
lol

>>719050330
When was the last time the mainstream cared about any of those series?

>>719050330
>It's selling itself as Dishonored meets Deus Ex meets Mass Effect 2.
That's a lot of meetings. Setting itself up for a grand fail already. Why even mention ME2? Can you form a party? Don't think so.

>>719050671
Didn't the Mass Effect remaster trilogy sell a few million?

>>719049656
What Smiling Jack is doing there? KEK.

>>719050793
>Why even mention ME2?
Because the devs used it as a reference for Phyre as a character. It also has Mass Effect 2-style game design where combat areas and talking areas are strictly compartmentalized. Also, central dynamic of meeting various characters and "getting close" to them during sidequests. The game as a whole draws a lot of inspiration from ME2. Even the camera system during conversation is partially Deus Ex, partially ME2.

>>719050793
ME2 ditched skill checks in dialogue and also ditched squad control.

Nobody is going to buy this. It will get middle of the road reviews.

>>719050909
>game design where combat areas and talking areas are strictly compartmentalized
Not a feature exclusive to ME2.
>central dynamic of meeting various characters and "getting close" to them during sidequests
Not a feature exclusive to ME2.
>camera system during conversation is partially Deus Ex, partially ME2
Absolutely meaningless statement.
Yawn, miss me with this marketing. If they wanted my attention could've said that it's close to the original, not some random famous titles.

>>719050858
Trolling

>>719051231
The marketing is that it's more of a spiritual successor to what was a "competently good game by 2004 standards."

>>719051231
I'm sorry, but Mass Effect 2 was the first RPG where people were like, "Why is this secret meeting location a series of waist-high walls? Wait, this is an ambush, isn't it?" BL2 deliberately copies this aesthetic. So you always know if an area if for talking or for killing based on its design.
> If they wanted my attention could've said that it's close to the original
Their job was to reimagine Bloodlines.

>>719051387
>Their job was to reimagine Bloodlines.
Nobody asked for this. I didn't ask for this. Adam Jensen definitely didn't ask for this.

>>719051127
I'm predicting a Metacritic of 85. Some 10/10s, some 9/10s, some 7.5/10s. A small number of outlier 4/10s.

>>719050802
Xbros aren't really a thing anymore and I thought everyone started hating ME after Andromeda and Bioware in general after the ME3 ending.

When is it releasing again

>>719051484
Actually, Paradox asked both HSL and TCR to deliver them something akin to Deus Ex Human Revolution.

>>719051718
October

>>719051718
October 21. They're doing a new video every week until release. Cast reveal on October 1.

>>719035365
>first person melee combat which has never been fun in any game ever
ENTER.

>>719051753
They are retarded then. Bloodlines is a better game than HR, but you need some competent people to take that and polish it for new game. Even the original devs couldn't deliver their vision fully and got broken by the crunch.

>>719051679
The original trilogy is beloved. Mass Effect 3 is a hugely popular game now that the seething is forgotten.

>>719052146
No one has forgotten how shitty ME3 is. Begone with your feeble attempts at historical revisionism.

>>719051867
>video roadmap

>>719052134
When it comes to gameplay, no way.

>>719052315
People like transparency.

>>719052315
its so fucking stupid lmao

>>719052450
trans people

>>719052582
reminds me of how lame the killing floor 3 roadmap is

>>719052682
same shitty color scheme too

I cant see this doing well sales wise. Theres a load of random shit coming out in the next month or 2. Silksong, Hell is Us, Cronos The New Dawn, Borderlands 4, Dying Light The Beast, Silent Hill F, Ghost of Yotei,Outer Wolds 2 and probably Metroid Prime 4. It will get buried.

>>719052146
You seem confused.

>>719033634
Hexen series if you play as the fighter

>>719050330
not even the good deus ex (the original) but mankind divided

>>719052776
Maybe, but the reviews are probably gonna hype it up as one of the best RPGs ever made. Paired with the years of preorders it will probably move some units.

>>719031589 (OP)
>Will it be the biggest flop of the year?
Biggest flop of the year is Mindseye.
Second is probably AC shadows...maybe.

One tricky point is that AC shadows budget isn't known and it's production is one of the most fucked up ones in video game history. I don't think it's possible for it to beat Mindseye, which had a Secret Level episode, and is by far the flop of the year.

And how good Bloodlines is is a wildcard. Could be worse than Werewolf. Could be actually playable or decent.

---
Sub AAA weight class:
South of Midnight
FBC Firebreak

>>719053757
>Second is probably AC shadows...maybe.

>>719053757
>Second is probably AC shadows...maybe.
AC Shadows is actually the best selling game of the year in Europe.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/assassins-creed-shadows-is-europes-best-selling-new-title-so-far-according-to-new-data
Shows how disconnected online discourse is from sales.

Are world of darkness videogames, cursed?

>>719052582
What is wrong with a roadmap showing what they'll be doing in the leadup to release? They had a similar roadmap with the developer diaries, showing the upcoming next two diaries each time.

>>719032623
That's dumb, they should make it so that you can either unlock the other clans by grinding in the game or buying the DLC.

>>719034595
PSSHHHHHHHHH

>>719053916
>What is wrong with a roadmap showing what they'll be doing in the leadup to release?
You have to pay for half of it on top of the actual game.

>>719053830
>/v/ once again not understanding budget.

>>719032623
>>719054009
Bear in mind this was announced about two years ago. People didn't suddenly find out that the clans were DLC now. They've always known

>>719031859
filtered

>>719035607
>Arone Le Bray
This appears to be his first game that he's lead on.

>>719035927
Probably just a narrative one.

>>719036203
THE CURSE OF CAINE.

>>719037235
hey, if they have ANYTHING playable, I'll be pretty amazed.

>>719041076
The extra clans aren't even in the Deluxe edition?

>>719045159
who are these madness combat looking ass guys

>>719054559
>hey, if they have ANYTHING playable, I'll be pretty amazed.
The game has hours of gameplay online already. What are people like you talking about?
https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?si=ywoABkGHptv3IGbT

>>719054628
The original pricing structure in 2019 (when they opened preorders) was:
>Base 60 dollars
>Cosmetics 70 dollars
>Story DLC 90 dollars
Because there's no story DLC in this version, they've developed two extra playable clans as a substitute.

>>719045965
We had drama but it was different. People trusted Capcom's track record to come up with SOMETHING, even if it was completely different, and give it a shot. 4 being great gameplay also was a factor. See also Clock Tower 3, and Castlveania 64.

>>719031589 (OP)
At the very least this piece of dogshit will have Rik Schaffer music, and will be pirateable Day 1.

>>719035365
ah yes, the quintessential "I'm not a shill...but" post

>>719046698
It also feels like they don't want to animate holding guns, reload animation and shit like that.

>>719045159
>when I started to believe Chink Room shills were not actually here

>>719054946
If they wanted to do that, they could copy the animations from the old Hardsuit game. They just don't want to. They straight up do not want to.

Except reload animations, I mean. There was no reloading in the Hardsuit game. You picked up guns, fired them a few times, and automatically dropped them.

they cutta tha damsel?

>>719035365
>you're supposed to pick up the gun, magdump it quickly and toss it in seconds
So Mirror's Edge approach then? Pretty meh ngl. I mean I get it but having it displayed that way is not doing the look of the gameplay any favors.

>>719054946
Did you guys not Play Machine for Pigs? That game was built directly on Amnesia's codebase. TCR made the following changes/removals:
>Inventory system
>Item collection and combination
>Oil and tinderboxes (resource management)
>Sanity meter/effects
>Physics-based puzzles
>Health bar and healing items
>Makeshift weapon/distraction throwing
This isn't the same kind of game. This has a physics focus. It has healing items. All that. However, this is the company that took Amnesia and PURPOSEFULLY removed all the gameplay mechanics. They didn't have some inability to know how to design a sanity system. They took out the one that the previous dev. They are not somehow unable to do things. They are purposefully not doing them. If you handed them a VTMB2 with sword combat, they would toss it out. It doesn't fit their vision.

Back in the day, the head of TCR once said he'd love to make a STALKER 2 and it would focus on isolation and based on his description it would basically be a walking sim with very rare combat, no A-Life, and focusing entirely on atmosphere and storytelling.

>>719036996
Even the first game's janky ass melee combat looked more impactful.

>>719053846
Fake news. Those stats don't cover Steam digital only releases as well as a bunch of Nintendo shit, and even by their own stats, FIFA is ahead. Fifa from last fucking year.

Beyond that, AC shadows has sold millions and millions more will play on live service, but the issue is that it's budget is so goddam high, full AAAA. They need to dominate to just break even, and based on what Ubi has reported on bookings and revenue, they aren't doing that.

>>719055202
Nah, Damsel's in the game. (Apparently.) I heard from someone on Reddit that she's connected to a questline where you visit the homeless encampment. (Yes, it's the same homeless encampment from the HSL version.)

The same person was claiming that the Mr. Damp model isn't in the game, though. Also, that the game's twist villain is Safia. It is revealed that she's an ancient vampire impersonating the real Safia.

>>719053830
>best selling
>only ever talks about player numbers

>>719055567
They should not be allowed to take IPs then. And they for sure killed Amnesia as a brand.

>>719056085
Their Amnesia is the only good one. That said, VTMB2 is written by Ian Thomas, who wrote Amnesia Rebirth, a much lesser game.

>>719049391
Jej. I've had very serious and grounded D&D campaigns but VtM always ends up being a total fiesta. It's fun though, having the goofy ass party against the serious backdrop.

>Malkavian who was running a shitty cult and terrorized the local housing market
>Campaign where 3 separate Lasombra characters all died by getting hit by a car
>Weeb samurai nosferatu who ran around with a katana
>Entire sideplot of fighting a coven of witches over an incredibly small misunderstanding
>Brujah boxer who lost every single serious fight but rolled crits on regular humans and committed manslaughter multiple times in a row

Yes the TCR shill is here. Just like how their vtmb2 will be better than the original.

I'm surprised that the endings of Bloodlines 1 being clearly unfinished and some of them being the same ending but they fade to black early didn't garner more criticism.

>>719056174
>Campaign where 3 separate Lasombra characters all died by getting hit by a car
It's just so mundane, that it's actually pretty funny

>>719056330
i think it did but ppl have fallen in love with the overall package so much that they're at peace with the ending. when the atmosphere and writing is so charming, you can get away with a lot. look at system shock 2. it gets shit for the ending, but most of the game is loved

>>719054662
>The game has hours of gameplay online already. What are people like you talking about?
NTA. The gameplay looks jank af, the combat looks artificial and the hands are too close to eachother making the first-person pov look weird. This comes from a studio with no experience in making RPGs or action-adventure or stealth games at all.

>>719056330
The final stretch of the game is awful but like that other guy said the overall game is nice.

I was wondering where they got the stupid fucking name from; turns out it's actually been mandated by White Wolf. Pic is from Night Road - they probably did marketing research for inoffensive, gender-neutral MC names or some shit.

>>719056330
the game barely ran at all on launch and the entire game is unfinished
we got kotor 2 unfinished with shit endings the same year
the games and stories themselves up to that point were fun/atmospheric enough to excuse it and chronically bitching about the things you like 24/7 wasn't as popular as it is now

>>719056639
Naming a vampire after fire.... funny right...

>>719045159
This is literally fuckin shittier cyberpunk with "le World of Darkness grim magic" except they're too pussy to actually do World of Darkness. People get raped, trannies are Nazi doctors who survived WW2 and flesh craft you into a butt plug, and homeless people give you AIDs if you feed on them. Much like real life in some ways. Too much for the modern audience.

>>719046386
https://old.reddit.com/r/vtmb/comments/1ai8877/did_outstar_lie_to_us/koth5u8/

>"This game is targeted at 25m copies sold."

What Paradox told shareholders as the not-flop level of the game. With how long the game has been in development it could very well be given an AAA level budget.

>>719057315
>25m
Is Paradox that retarded?

>>719034701
*transbian

Even when there are negative threads about this game, it still feels like viral marketing. I've literally never heard of this franchise before, and yet it still has a "hardcore fanbase". WTF.

>>719032623
>You only do that if you're a Grand Theft Auto level guaranteed success
Or published by Paradox.

>>719056024
not the lovely damn sail! I fret at the thought of how the woke fags might have ruined her as a character. is she black now and a guy? wtf!

>>719052042
I thought i was the only person who played this

>>719056024
I wonder if they got Damsel's old voice actress back.

>>719058395
Vampire The Masquerade (the TTRPG) is more than thirty years old and was at one point considered number two behind D&D and bloodlines is a beloved classic
no shit there is a hardcore fanbase

>>719058395
Bloodlines (not this one) is great, you should play it!

>>719057458
the answer is always yes

>>719031589 (OP)
Looks really woke so probably really bad.

>>719032425
Dude what in the fuck is happening with Cohh

First the pedo stache
Then the hair? Youre not 16 anymore my guy, viking haircut is not it
And now hes dyeing it blonde too?

Like is this guy going through some sort of ultra midlife crisis?

>>719031589 (OP)
>All criticisms of this game is going to be washed away with "well the first game had flaws"

>>719060343
That is a premium slut

>>719057315
25 million copies sold is not completely unreasonable for an action RPG like this.

>>719062890
it would be reasonable for a good action RPG, everything about this one screams dogshit
at absolute fucking best it might sell as much as one or two million copies but im expecting way worse, probably a few tens of thousands

>>719062890
>not completely unreasonable
it would be in the top 60 of the best-selling videogames, all time
it IS unreasonable no matter what

>>719059286
Does anyone have any proof of the woke boogieman in any way negatively affecting this game?

>>719063141
>>719063436
They're hoping for this to be generation defining RPG on par with Cyberpunk 2077 or The Witcher 3. They're hoping/expecting it will release to universal acclaim and be seen as one of the must-play games.

>>719054329
Did they say it was going to be day-one DLC?

>>719063630
no way, no one is retarded enough to genuinely believe this game will do that well

>>719057169
you can clean your blood of stds btw just takes effort

>>719031589 (OP)
i'm slightly less interested than i was in Cyberpunk (which was an above average level of interest, to be fair), but i finally played Cyberpunk this year and it immediately became one of my Top 5 games of all time. so i'll probably just approach this the same way. wait for reviews, find out if it's even functional, and if it isn't then i'll wait for updates, and if they don't come, i won't buy it.

>>719059747
some would say number 1 but d&d had the "family friendly" title for some reason, which has pretty much ruined it as a franchise now.

>>719063552
yes be silent.

>>719063674
>>719063630
it's not expectation, it's the absolute best possiblity.
Paradox already said they have no hopes on this.

>>719031589 (OP)
The DEI filth means nobody that they hoped to cheat with nostalgia will buy it.
The shameless Paradox nickel and dime DLC means nobody with common sense will buy it.
The complete lack of atmosphere, the retarded combat, the fact that you can't carry guns and the horrible story means nobody with good taste will buy it.

So their only hope is homos, trannies and women because these people don't know any better. But no matter how much they shill for games that are made for them, they never buy them.

>>719063673
According to a dev who worked on it, it was originally meant to be released shortly after the game came out, but delay "shenanigans" changed that.

>>719064241
>The DEI filth
What DEI filth? Be specific.
>The complete lack of atmosphere
I always thought people liked brooding urban landscapes and Rik Schaffer music.
>the retarded combat
When has that ever stopped an RPG being huge?
>the fact that you can't carry guns
Yea, I imagine this just killed The Witcher 3's sales.
>and the horrible story
Elaborate.

>>719031589 (OP)
The game doesn't look that bad if it wasn't VtMB2. It should've been a spinoff instead of a sequel if it's not going to pretend to even be an rpg.

>>719064241
Then they should have added some better outfits because the fashion in this game is just not it

>>719064404
No, shill, I don't think I will elaborate on things everyone can plainly see with their eyes. And you need to give serious consideration to killing yourself. I mean it, take your own life. Make it violent, make it gory. Shoot your brains out, step in front of a train. Do whatever it takes to make sure you never try to shill on Paradox's dime ever again. No one will miss you, not a soul. The world will be better with you gone, and so will this board.

>>719064404
>he didn't even TRY to defend the paradox dlc shit, arguably the worst of them all
Shill kun... it's over...

>>719064460
We already had Swansong. Nobody cared and it's forgotten already.

>>719064662
If it's ready for day-one than it can be released along with the game itself, with no need for a higher price. It is no longer outside the scope of the game.

>>719064662
Devs can't into marketing. It should have been delayed, then promoted to make people replay it and lure new people in. But then it looks like Paradox just wants to put it all out and be done with it.

>>719064662
>we always PLANNED to take things out of the base game and sell a season pass for a walking sim
Epic truly epic

>>719064525
>>719064595

>>719064812
>"the game is finished everything we sell is just extra frills and weren't removed from the full experience"
>you have to buy the premium edition to get the FULL EXPERIENCE
heh

>>719064662
Is their discord open to people. Can I be toxic and shit on them there

>>719064761
>>719064812
Imagine someone gives you a budget to build a house and you ask for 20% extra, to buy an adjacent patch of land and build a swimming pool. The swimming pool was never part of the original budget. The understanding was always that the swimming pool would be sold separately.

This reminds me of the story DLC for Tomb Raider Underworld which people accused of being "cut" from the main game. No, it wasn't "cut". It was created using funding from Microsoft separate from the main project specifically for the purpose of exclusive DLC.

When you spend money on additional content for a game beyond what you were budgeted, the whole POINT of that additional content is additional revenue. Otherwise you would not get approval to make that content. There's a reason the game has 4 base clans. Those are the ones they agreed on. That the game is built around. Any additional clans were created solely to be sold as part of higher tiered editions. They were not part of the base design.

I think it'll just be canceled again. It's a miracle the original actually made it to release but I think the franchise is just cursed at this point. The IP will get picked up post industry crash or someone will make a spiritual sequel. It's just a bad moment to try this - aesthetics and preferences are switching and this attempt is going to have too much 2010s baggage

>>719064812
I know the Bl1 stuff is for nostalgia bucks but TCR seems to hate it the first game.

>>719064997
You're missing something, shill-kun. The premium edition is advertised as being the "full-experience". If something is advertised as the full version, then any lesser version would be one with cut content. The standard game is that lesser version.

>>719064997
I didn't commission the game. They showed up at my door and said if I want more than 4 clans I need to pay extra. Like the majority of the market, I'll say no.

>>719064924
There are rumours that the story DLC was integrated into the main story, which is why the initial plan of a standalone clan DLC and an extra main campaign clan turned into two main campaign clans. That is maybe true, maybe not. I lean towards it being true. I think that Paradox looked at the game and felt it wasn't long enough, which is one of the reasons it was delayed from late 2024 to mid-2025 and then October. We know it takes place over 9 nights in its current form, but not how much content the later nights have. The first "night" takes about an hour. But that's the tutorial.

>>719064812

I'm a big fan of Lasombra, I'll definitely pirate the game and try it out. Although it'll likely be a lot of stealth and shadow tendrils.

>>719032879
>>719032581
>>719032425
WTF

>>719065086
>muh industry crash
You guys have been saying this shit for years.

>>719065167
>I'm a big fan of Lasombra
You should sit down and figure out where shit went wrong in your life to lead to that outcome.

>>719065086
>I think it'll just be canceled again.
It's literally releasing in 8 weeks.

>>719065126
>The premium edition is advertised as being the "full-experience". If something is advertised as the full version, then any lesser version would be one with cut content.
If I give you a chocolate freddo frog with the premium edition, the chocolate freddo frog was not "cut" from the base edition. I purchased a bag of freddo frogs specifically to give away with the premium edition.

My pre order from six years ago apparently includes all of the day 1 DLC. Don't know if I preordered some collector's edition or if it's a courtesy to customers like me who did not refund at any point. It's nice either way.

>>719065331
>>719064997
>pool metaphor
>food metaphor
Please get an immediate brain hemorrhage and die in your seat.

>>719065331
>freddo frog
Hows Brighton, TCR shill

>>719065284

I always hated the idea of good or nice vampires and liked the idea of vampires who didn't give a shit about that, without looking like something that came out of Goblins 2

>>719065087
>but TCR seems to hate it the first game.
Whatever gave you that impression?

>>719065331
>Food analogy
Immediately discarded. Please justify the rationale for cutting content from the game to release it as day one DLC. If it's ready to be day one DLC and it's advertised as the full version, then it stands to reason it should be included in the base game, no?

>>719065404
TCR's Brighton is the British Brighton not the Australian Brighton. Do they have Freddo Frogs in the UK as well?

Alright, thread is done. It's just three paradox employees talking to each other now.
I've never seen this degree of blatant shilling before but it really does tell you just how abysmally bad this stinker is. For reply to me paraniggers, I don't want to hear your retarded shit.

>>719065425
>If it's ready to be day one DLC and it's advertised as the full version, then it stands to reason it should be included in the base game, no?
Because it was created for the sole purpose of meeting Blood Moon Edition contractual obligations. How is this hard to understand? They had to set up a mini-team to make some content that wouldn't be in the other versions because they had sold preorders for those versions years ago.

Why are people so fixated on the fact that the DLC is ready by the time the game comes out because the game was delayed twice. Why do they want the publisher to pretend the DLC isn't finished?

>>719065460
>now produced by Cadbury.
Uh huh you aren't fooling anybody

>>719065496
It's to be expected. As we get closer to the release, the blatant marketing will ramp up. We can only hope the sequel is forgotten quickly so we can get back to comfy VtMB threads.

>>719065546
>It was created to fleece money out of the few suckers dumb enough to still be interested.
Thank you for clarifying. By the way, here's an image of the clans being present in the base game's clan selection screen but they're locked because the DLC hasn't been paid for. Totally not cut content, right?

>>719065546
Paradox shill is floundering.

>>719065546
You have to understand that gamers don't really understand how games are made or how they're budgeted or how any of this works. Part of the reason for this is that publishers have spent a lot of time and energy obfuscating how the sausage is made.

>>719065795
Are you saying that the clans shouldn't shown if you don't own the DLC? That's just confusing UI.

>>719065795
Who cares everyone will play Tremere anyway

>>719065795
The purpose of that screen is to make you feel insecure for not buying the premium edition. Basic modern DLC psychology. To make you feel like you have an "incomplete" experience.

>>719065795
>It- it- it's just EXTRA content for TRUE fans is not cut out of the game, even if you can see that it's in the game but not unlocked that doesn't mean- shit, fuck wait I have to check my shill manual for how to defend this
>okay, I got it, "imagine you order a burger..."

>>719065795
>no nos
Whack

>>719065905
>shills say the base game is the full experience
>but it was designed to make you feel like you have an "incomplete" experience.
Mhm.

>>719065975
Buy my game NOW

It won't flop. And the fact that it won't will drive you all nuts.

>>719066024
Will you be having a blast with this return to form, fellow average organic poster?

>>719066024
It will flop because nobody outside of 4chan has heard of this fucking franchise. Remember when they couldn't even get a battle royal shilled during the height of the br hype?

>>719066024

I hope it doesn't and they make more DLC for the game, like a melee weapon DLC and being able to hold guns DLC.

>>719066161
>guns DLC
What is this Dying Light 2?

>>719066185
Unlock the ancient Elder vampire power to hold guns for only $19,99

>>719064404
way to confidently say vague irrelevant shit as a comparison. witcher is medieval themed and mostly about cutscenes and dialog, so guns being in it wouldn't matter much, the games combat isn't its best feature.
bloodlines 1 had good, yet clunky combat, with variety besides just hack n slash with two swords and dodge rolling. oh and a spell or two. meh.
therefore you're ignoring the biggest problem so far, bloodlines 1 is already a better product and game than the proposed sequel.

>>719066024
Game's gonna flop harder than Failtard.

wow this looks like shit

>>719045159
combat actually looks fun

>>719065881
probably yes

>>719066591
It does not.

>watch demo
>every time you come up on a group of enemies fabien has to say something
i feel like i'm tired of hearing his voice already

getting xp per kill isn't something i really like much in an rpg either

>>719066024
You said this about Killing Floor 3 too and yet here we are.

praying for a vamp wife

>>719065496
It’s just one, he samefags

>>719067193
You retards gotta realize reviewers and the gaming population at large does not care about this see: Cyberpunk 2077

>>719068440
i don't have to realize anything

I've watched every single preview imod the game. The writing appears solid in the first two hours (no "wokeness") the traversal is good, the combat is good, and I like Fabian as a character.

The day one DLC sucks and no Nosferatu/Malk clan isn't great, but a good VTMB game does not need those to be good.

>>719068440
The difference is that was Keanu Reeves and this is some random.

>>719068613
Fuck off shill. You haven’t even played VtMB.

Lou, my love.

>>719068440
>Cyberpunk 2077
cyberpunk had a huge marketing campaign and hype. Not only us autist but every single fucking normie was talking about it.

vtmb2 has nothing. No marketing and no hype.
It should've been a game made for fans of the original and rpg fans in general but since it doubled down on being an action game with rpg elements made for broad appeal no one is gonna care about this game.

>>719068613
False. No Nos no buy.

you guys remember?
dont forget to preorder to get access to the stop sign!

>>719068634
>celeb worship
And no that doesn't make a difference.

>>719047331
>be old asian man vampire
>put on some robes
>can now do potence 5 punches that break bones in public
>everyone will just think I'm a martial arts master instead of some supernatural creature

>>719069034
ehm sweetie it does

>>719069034
It does you're just too autistic to realize it.

>>719068656
What will she say to Lasombra. What will anyone say to Lasombra.

>>719068649
seething

>>719068440
Johnny doesn't comment on every encounter though

>>719068289
Jeanette doesn't have a cups

>>719069473
sadly, she would've been so much hotter with them

>>719031589 (OP)
>>719031589 (OP)
it will perform exactly like Thiaf did. drive away the core fanbase, fail to make waves with normies, and have disappointing sales, which will ultimately convince publishers the franchise and type of game is dead and can't possibly turn a profit in the modern era.

>>719064997
still not buying the game, shillnigger

>>719068613
Wow. It seems like a return to form and that I will have a blast on release day. Thank you!

>>719032425
Speak for yourself. I'm a big fan of dishonoredslop.

which modern dev would even be capable of doing a proper vtm rpg first person rpg?

>>719034391
>you could easily argue that since the protagonist and an elder that's been asleep for a good long time the mask of humanity has slipped more than a little bit
Is flipping the finger some ancient vampire tradition in the lore or something

>>719070973
>>719069093
You know who.

>>719070973
InXile

>>719070973
CDPR maybe?
>inb4 Cyberpunk was kinda shit
You'd need a team of decent writers and someone who understands what made the old game so great. Then keep all the "problematic" jokes abd characters in.

>>719070973
NiggerKillerz Ltd. Japanese Studio, bit of an problematic translation of their name though. Supposed to refer to slaying the night.

>>719071015
>>719071070
I think if cdpr would make a vtm game it would look almost exactly to what the chinese room is doing, cp by itself was more of a looter shooter instead of a proper rpg

>>719071168
To be fair, if the combat is good enough it's fine. It wasn't like the original broke new grounds on that front.
The more important aspect is the writing, the characters and the whole athmosphere.

>>719071260
AI can do it. I vet if I fed the whole vtmb game script to a Grok session and told it to make more of that it'd have no problem doing it.

>>719071260
I do agree that the combat in the original bloodlines was pretty subpar but the biggest thing they nailed is how every clan played incredibly, not only from a narrative standpoint but also from a gameplay standpoint.

>nos forces you to use sewers and stealth
>toreador makes you slow down time in combat and makes you a shooting ace
>malk rewrites almost the entire dialogue of the game
>tremere turns you into a mage

Now in cyberpunk, whatever lifestyle you chose at the beginning of the game didn't change anything apart from 1 quest and a 10 minute intro. And while the writing it in was pretty decent for the most part, none of it really impressed me all that much.

You're gonna play it anyway

>>719070973
I was about to ask your very question. Because i don't know who the hell would have given us a good VTMB. I was just thinking the same thing and i don't think there's anyone. Some people will claim that Larian or Owlcat might have been up for the job but i honestly think they'd screw it up too.

>>719032425
They've just copied Dishonored and ran it through a DEI filter?

>>719071653
an isometric rpg would certainly be something owlcat and larian will be capable of, but a first person one? im not so sure

>>719071638
When it gets a 95% discount

>>719031589 (OP)
it's going to giga flop
and it'll be funny
and deserved

>>719045235
elder vamp? what generation? 5,6,7?

>>719072125
>and it'll be funny
its sad how this will probably the only chance we will ever see of getting another bloodlines game and then it shits all over the original, with the devs publicly saying they never even played it. Its like a slap to the face for anything who has been in love with the original and wod as a whole.

>and deserved
100% I hope paradox loses millions and the chinese room will never be contacted to make any game ever again.

>nos no longer violates the masquerade on sight because the average american is now ugly enough for nos to pass as one
You can't make this up

Shame that VTMB the original will be a game idea inevitably lost to time. 2 isn't going to do well critically, that's my predictions. But for all of the right reasons of why it's not going to go over smoothly. Opposed to the last time of where the original development of VTMB just needed more time for the game to have really came to fruition, most of it was simply extending their deadline with work that could have been and it wouldn't have been received as poorly critically. Combat wise, that was hard to change. The rest of it not so much.

>>719071638
Famous last words.

Love me the music in that game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHET7usWDho

>>719071917

an isometric owlcat hunter the reckoning investigating supernatural crimes in towns across America would be pretty nice

>>719032425
oh jesus, it's just like SW Outlaws

>>719073378

Rik came back for this game before the developer shuffle but I heard that his music will still be in it.

>>719073489
>oh my god I'm choking on a million dicks om nom nom nom pls buy game
Okay.

>>719031589 (OP)
Maybe normie vagina havers will but it, they like them bloodsuckers.

>>719073489
neat, now i can still not play this steaming pile of dogshit and wait for somebody to upload his music to yt

>>719032425
>opening the door is a cutscene that hides the loading of the next scene
Jesus fuck this game will flop hard.

>>719045159
it is SLOP.
you are a PIGGY.

Only 5 people here were ever going to buy it a full price anyways. Despite there being daily vtmb threads that game is insanely cheap to buy on sale.
Even if 2 is guud it's not going to change much of the opinion here. I do wonder where's the hidden million players for this to justify the large dev time. Maybe they'll get a review like mandalore to beg people to buy the game or maybe one of the schizo vtmb diehard youtubers to buy several.

>>719033158
Their thinking is that, since the protagonist is a elder vampire, it would be lame to have to use weapons, as it goes against the power fantasy, ala Viktor in Underworld. Don’t think it’s a smart idea, but this just stems from the game abandoning any pretense of being a RPG.

>>719074154
Thr Hardsuit version had loadscreens for building interiors.

>>719060343
It's for charity.

>>719031589 (OP)
I will pirate it

>>719032425
Wait, it is not some kind of special power to shoot quickly or something like that? You just cant use a fucking weapon normally?

>>719074679
>elder vampire
Starting off as a powerful entity has only ever worked if, and only if, it was some kind of flashback or w/e with a NPC that transitioned into a tutorial with the actual player character.

>>719056128
A Machine for Fags is the worst game aside from Afterbirth. Dark Descent and The Bunker are both far more interesting.

>>719033976
weapons are problematic, hun.

>>719058395
If you don't know about VTMB you're a newfag. VTMB, Deus Ex and SS2 were the /v/irgin triumvirate.

>>719074679
The more likely explanation is that they won't have to bother animating and making a bunch of weapons work in conjunction with whatever gameplay mechanics they have, so they just resort to punching and levitating weapons

>>719044114
Same reason notPrey is called Prey, to try and lure people into buying fucking dogshit

>>719035262
Power fantasy is good in moderation.

>>719045159
Is the gameplan in this just facetanking everything?

>no character selection
Can't even select my pronouns? Wtf paradox

>>719071917
Troika's two other games were isometric RPGs.

>>719031589 (OP)
I think it has potential to be mediocre, but likely it'll be bland and barely functional.

>>719075573
troika was made of actual competent developers who loved videogames.

>>719051867
Wasnt the terrorist clan made up like a couple years ago?

>>719064662
That is... ehm... that is cut, Mr Chimein
It is also, as a matter of fact, the reason I am not buying your fucking game
So congrats I guess

>>719064997
I didnt ask them to build shit shilltard

>blew the entire marketing budget on pdxcon years ago
>for a version you didn't even release
But looks like they can still afford someone to post on 4chan

I'm only interested in seeing what a trainwreck it's going to be. I have no hopes it'll be good considering how it's been passed around like a cheap whore from studio to studio, and it ain't even game studio when White Wolf is the one that's full of the worst kinds of bluehairs.

>>719064997
Lets use your same mongoretard analogy even tho it doesnt work
Its like buying a house with a swimming pool, they finish building the pool and its small as fuck and then they tell you you can pay more to make it bigger

>>719068656
She looks worse every time they show her lmao

>>719031589 (OP)
There are so called human being who pre-ordered this game 5 years ago

Here I am years later wondering why they didn't just make a remaster of the original game which isn't broken to bits.

>Make werewolf action game
>It's terribly mid and outdated
>Make wraith game
>It's on VR ONLY SO NO ONE FUCKING PLAYS IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BAD
>They'll never make a mage game, never! Freeform magic? Not in MY video games, thank you very much!

Fuck it, everything will hinge on the writing. The levitating guns are stupid, the silly backdash is stupid the neglect for the masquerade is stupid the ads are fucking stupid the greedy DLC bullshit is stupid but if the writing is good then it'll be an improvement on the first game.

>>719076649
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they make Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines: The Definitive Edition™ featuring AI upscaled textures and with none of the bugs patched out while delisting the original from all store pages.

>>719076649
>if the writing is good

>>719075816
they trace back to 1st edition, they were just renamed a few years ago

>>719065352
Neat

>>719077371
They've made a whole new video game from a thing I like and now I am mad, how could this be happening to me?

>>719075816
Nah. Has been neutered for a modern audience a couple years ago.

>>719076649
game's in licensing limbo and paradox doesn't want to fuck around with activision

>>719076072
How much do interns get paid these days?

>>719077553
water and some fruits

>>719034289
An hour after Half Life 2 dropped. Thanks to Activision meddling.

>>719031589 (OP)
i'm going to do the right thing and wait and see what happens. if it turns out to be a legit good game, i'll get it at some sale or whatever down the line. but if it turns out to be meh and parashit are gonna treat it as a fully finished product with no more dlc incoming, then fuck it. i always hope they do a no man's sky/cp2077 and save it in these cases, but i'm always left bitter and disappointed. the dream is that it does well and parashit does the right thing and makes a big meaty story dlc for it to cap it off and give it a good send-off, but i know deep in my heart that that won't happen. paracuck could never do something that honorable and gracious towards their gamer fans, sadly. which is quite ironic, considering how parashit is the king of the dlc milkers...

>>719076970
the modders will save us

>>719077627
Activision stopped funding it months before release, but they weren't able to release it before Half-Life 2 because Valve didn't want any Source game released before Half-Life 2 so they went with same day. I doubt it would have given them much of a boost if they had delayed it any further, Troika were forbidden from working on it.

>>719072398
lel

>>719077830
>if it turns out to be a legit good game

>>719045159
>Hit enemy with shotgun blast
>Just flinches back
>No blood or any gore

>>719068946
imagine making a stop sign a preorder bonus. imagine spending more than five fucking literal minutes modeling a literal stop sign. this feels so insanely cheap, it's just crazy. and worst of all, the excuse that they have to do this to satisfy earlier preorders is total fucking bullshit, because hardsuit labs also promised story dlc later down the line, and that was scrapped. but they fucking saved the stop sign?? they could honor that part of the preorders?? really???

>>719077503
Activision still has no problem shooting out DMCA takedowns on any conversion mods to this day.

>>719041076
>standard edition
>half game
>deluxe edition
>remember old game?
>premium edition
>full game
Riveting.

>>719032425
This is especially retarded when you realize this takes place in modern day so the character is basically going around waving guns around with their mind while there's a high likelihood of a HD camera from a smart phone being pointed at them.

>>719031589 (OP)
It won't be enough to cover for all those expenses Paradox wasted on it already, but I think it will sell better than people here think

Overall it looks like Prey situation to me, with the biggest issue being incorrect game title antagonizing playerbase of an original game. Some sloptuber will make a video about Bloodlines 2 being an underrated game after few years from release and suddenly people will pop up claiming they always liked this niche game.
Happened with Tyranny and Prey
>>719071638
Maybe if it's on some -75% sale years from now. Or if I get it from somewhere else

>>719077830
Fuck you shill nigger.

>>719080037
why? if it turns out to be good and it gets story dlc too, why not buy it at some point down the line at some sale?

>>719080941
Should have made a real rpg if you wanted sales

>>719076649
TCR writing is supposed to be their strong point (it sure as hells isn't gameplay) but somehow it's ALWAYS garbage.