Thread 719162872

Hollow Knight threads are proof of /v/'s greater issue of rampant, Reddit-tier contrarianism.

>>719162872 (OP)
This has been the /v/ opinion on Hollow Knight for like 3 years
Yeah it's retarded but these are the same people who obsessively love dark souls 2 while hating elden ring. Can't expect much

contrarianism is more 4chan than reddit

it's a shitty side-scroller bro

>>719162872 (OP)
I'm sorry for not thinking a game that's only liked for being cheap is mind blowing and amazing.

>>719162872 (OP)
HK is overrated garbage tho, it also gets extra hate points from me for ruining the metroidvania genre since for the most part it became just a bunch of HK clones

It will be hilarious when all the normies who never played Hollow Night buy Silksong to be trendy and can't make it past the 1st boss so they turn against the game

>>719163380
HK sold 15 million copies so the surprise is probably going to be minimal.

>>719163349
They're still bloated with RPG bullshit so they clearly didn't take enough from the game.

meh, I'd rather play fuckin Ghost Song than Hollow Knight honestly
It's a game that should have come and gone but somehow got stuck

For me, it's using enemies to platform
Jus dun loike it

>>719163380
I feel like filtering is the core of Hollow Knight contrarianism to begin with. I actually 100% the original game and it's great.

>>719163349
>game is so good other studios copy it
>ITS OVERRATED GARBAGE
Go back.

>>719162872 (OP)
It's a 7/10 game overrated by poor people that only have money to play cheap indie games

>this random person I don't know didn't like the game ive been gooning too nonstop 24/7 for the last 40 years
>they must be a redditor

Op is a faggot.

>>719163605
Yeah that's actually quite often the case, retard

>>719162991
>/v/ opinion
No it's schizo spam.
nu-/v/ is full of retards to be sure but the negative spam threads are a handful of people trying to fake a consensus. Don't give them what they want.
This applies to a ton of games btw not just Hollow Knight. For instance there's a schizo who spams anti-Mother 3 threads.

>>719163623
Post nose.

>>719163708
But that’s not the game’s fault everyone is copying it, dumb dumb. Direct your autistic rage in the right place.

I have no dog in this race but any time I see an anon say something about Silk Song being GotY some other anon will INSTANTLY respond that HK sucks cock and E33 is better. Its such bizarre behavior I can't tell if its falseflagging or not.

Can someone actually elaborate why HK is bad? I've tried a couple of newer metroidvanias like Ori and the Blind Forest + the first Ender Lillies game, I have to say HK blows these two out of the water.

>>719163838
It's just shitposting, if it wasn't E33 it would be some other game, they don't actually care about any of the games involved.
I'm sure if/when Prime 4 comes out there be faggots trying to compare it to Silksong non-stop.

>>719162872 (OP)
>ignores the past few zealotry threads
HKfags are the UT/DRfags of the metroidvania genre.

>>719163950
It's definitely not a bad game at all.
Hell Ori is a good example because Blind Forest had weird shitty combat and then Will of the Wisps copied Hollow Knight and it was a major improvement. Yes there's been some shit HK clones but overall it's been a positive for the genre.

>>719164045
I bet you're the OP in the screencap.
You are what's wrong with /v/, kill yourself immediately.

>>719162991
open world games are pointless and stupid and take up RAM with diminishing returns. Metroidvanias are all the same. If you played either SoTN or Metroid 3, you’ve played them all.

>>719164124
>immediate newfag psychosis out of nowhere
what a surprise

>it's Castlevania but better designed
fixed

some people just really, really want to dislike some things because of what they've heard somewhere else.
the thread you're pointing to isn't all that bad though. guy just says he's not into it and that's fine. you can like different things.

>>719162872 (OP)
>noooooo you can't criticize my reddit game!!!

>>719163824
studios have been trying to copy CoD for well over a decade. are you telling us that CoD is a good game?

>>719163950
Haven't played almost any newer metroidvania, only Metroid and some Igavania, but HK felt really boring in comparison. Hated the minimalistic art style and the storytelling/tone felt like copying Dark Souls in a really lame and direct way. Also it just seems too big, always drop it a few hours in since it feels like I have so long to go.

>>719162872 (OP)
You never played it so why do you care?

>>719162872 (OP)
I always thought the game was boring trash

>>719163950
It's widely known and well regarded so contrarians gonna contrarian. Like most games "/v/" "hates" everyone on here was creaming their pants over it when it released because it's pretty good.

I don't have a single hour of playtime on it on steam because I 99%'d the pirated version (cuz the last nail upgrade drop from the arena was glitched) when it released and went "well shit that was good guess I should throw 15 bucks their way so they maybe release a sequel in 8 years"

>>719162872 (OP)
I watched a bit of gameplay, way too much shitty ass autistic platforming, not worth my time

>>719162872 (OP)
I'm of the opinion that it's okay to dislike Hollow Knight
Not everyone can stick with first 5 hours in which the game is very dull, slow and feels bad to play.
I dunno what they were thinking locking all of the fun behind abilities you don't get til later

>>719163950
It got too popular, so it's bad now.
Also, a Youtuber said.

>>719162872 (OP)
>one part "shitty metroid"
>another part "shitty castlevania"
>and presto. you have a "metroidvania"!
shit genre lmao
hollow knight is caca

>>719162872 (OP)
For whatever reason, Indians seem to hate Hollow Knight and Silksong.

>>719164049
>Will of the Wisps has HK combat
I'll check it out, I thought the first game had nice visuals but those escape sequences sucked ass.

>>719164305
>they put platforming in a platformer??
See, these are the people who think SotN is the peak of the genre.

>>719162991
i like hollow knight, dark souls 2 and elden ring

It's strange, when I'm on /v/ I'm perfectly fine talking to contrarians because that's just the standard here and it can be pretty funny. On the other hand, I utterly despise the people under 25 who were clearly raised on /v/ who have made it their personality. I'm so fucking tired of talking with people about random shit and they're just being negative about everything because it's popular. It's just so fucking tiring dealing with people who have made /v/ their personality.

>>719162872 (OP)
>calls everyone else reddit while doing very reddit things, like captalizing the 'r' when mentioning it, and posting 4chan screenshots of his own post.
Go back.

>>719163950
Two big negatives for me were how 95% of the game takes place within the same biome; and there was zero weapon variety. Another that >>719164269 mentioned was that the game had too much content. Again, perhaps it would have felt more enjoyable to progress through if you weren't attacking with the same nail the entire game or seeing the same dark cramped corridors and caverns most of the game.
And that's why the best metroidvania is Salt and Sanctuary

>>719164436
*love

isn't it SOTN but for discord furries?

>>719164361
It's easily better than at least half of all Metroid and Castlevania games.
SotN is like the worst one, as well.

I played it when all the DLC and stuff was done and I found it just OK, maybe good.

>>719164546
I think the lack of weapon variety is a good point, you can only really go melee or spellcaster but even that uses melee to get souls. Having more weapon types with different movesets or abilities would be great.

>>719164531
You definitely do seem like the kind of down syndrome patient to enjoy constantly backtracking for the most miniscule bullshit. Anyone that doesn't worship review scores is a contrarian. You're supposed to like Elden Ring.

>>719164436
Indians are capitalising on internet rage culture right now.
>sirs, don't you remember when gaming was the good? Please subscribe to my X!
>no, my town did not have electricity in the 90's. How did you guess?

>>719164708
This indians hate silksong we need to buy it to support the devs they are white and based

>>719164531
It's funny when you do the contrarian thing against things they like and they can't handle it though
>I think Eminem is a load of shit, and it's embarrassing for white boys to rap

>>719163950
The enemies and bosses are way too simple and don't offer much, if any, challenge
It's visually bland as all fuck, the level design is so-so with platforming being a complete non issue and the music is extremely understated, which makes traversing the map incredibly boring
You don't get any exciting, interesting or creative combat or traversal tools, it all feels like shit you've already seen before
It's not a bad game, it is alright for what it is, but I'll never understand the praise.

>>719162872 (OP)
Those anons creating engagement through rage, have never played it, or are third-worlders/minorities who lack souls.
That's all there is to it OP.
>Anons who never played the game in the first place, who only garner their opinions through e-celebs and posts on /v/
Imagine if /v/ had a Steam/Amazon review system where you can only post about games you ACTUALLY FUCKING PLAYED. Hollow Knight has a 95% Overwhelmingly Positive review on Steam (from people who actually played it)
>Zoomer ragebait mental illness
>Third-worlders (non-americans) and underage kids
The internet was so so so so so much better when I was a kid. I'm nearly 30yo growing up trannies were non-existent.
No weird political-correctness in my vidya, no race baiting, "cuck" wasn't a part of internet vernacular.
The worst thing someone could do was post a pastel horse and derail a thread. TF2 was playable, Runescape wasn't overrun by third-worlders and bots. 4chan and the internet WAS better back then, only middle-class whites could afford the internet. No ESL uneducated third-worlders dragging down the average IQ. Indians weren't harassing white women to show bob and vag on AOL messenger, it wasn't a thing. People weren't fat, women didn't dye their hair purple and have trashy tattoos.
I miss 2012 so fucking much you have no idea.

>>719163957
>I'm sure if/when Prime 4 comes out there be faggots trying to compare it to Silksong non-stop.
Probably the Hollow Bitch fanbase going to. They're the most insecure motherfuckers on the site and spent Hollow Shit's entire lifespan trying to pick fights with other metroidvania fanbases.

>>719164846
>MLP posting was a thing when you were a kid
You're one of them, bro.

>>719162872 (OP)
I played it and it's not that good. it has the same fanaticism as undertale and delta something.

>>719162991
based, ds2 has a semblance of a good game unlike elden ring

>>719162872 (OP)
Well, duh. 4chan is driven by ragebait, because that's how zoomers were raised and pajeets think. That's subhuman scum who only think in terms of replies and advertising, and are more algorithm-driven than actual AIs.
That's literally all 4chan is at this point. It's insincere ragebait, grifting (depending on the board) and advertising, sprinkled with faggotry and perverse simps.

The weirdest thing about this game's fanbase is how all criticism is dismissed as "you're just being contrarian". Like they cannot fathom their game NOT being a masterpiece to anyone who played it.

>>719165028
You never beat it lmao, I doubt you even played it. You watched an eceleb play it. Fuck off you mentally-ill fucking faggot.

>>719165065
day of the curry pot can't come soon enough.

>>719163838
Apparently it's an actual schizo. Started up within hours of the announcement last thursday

>>719164652
I think it had decent enough variety with the spells and special skills, along with the charms you could use to augment them. More variety can be fun but I think the game got more of a benefit from being able to design around a tight moveset than it was held back by lack of variety. The basic attack also being a movement utility opened up a lot of space to play around with combat and exploration, and that would have been a very hard balance to keep up with more weapons.

>>719165117
I beat it and I didn't like it. I much prefer sotn and bloodstained.

>>719165090
It's always "you're being a contrarian" or "you didn't play the game" with those people.

>>719162872 (OP)
maybe the issue is with reddit. maybe people outside of it don't actually worship the video games they play. maybe the artificial hype generated around reddit marketing and fake positive reviews sets up people with unrealistic expectation of playing a good game and they're understandably miffed when they get a mediocre experience.

>>719165028
UMMMM THIS CONTRADICTS MY WORLDVIEW I AM GOING TO CALL YOU NAMES AND CLAIM YOU WATCHED IT BECAUSE I AM SANE AND CALM

>>719165028
Except Undertale/Deltarune earned their reputation by being great games
Hollow Knight is a decent game. It does nothing groundbreaking or new, but it does it well.
Silksong fans are just extremely vocal, and the hype sort of built around that, and others who never played the games hopped onto the SILKSONG WHEN meme to fit in

>>719165243
undertale/delta rune are nothing groundbreaking either.

i don't like it but i can see why people do
i legitimately do not understand how it can generate so much seething do

i literally quit 5 minutes in and never thought about it again, i don't know why people have a hard time doing the same

>>719163380
didint hollow knight just get challengeing in the end and with optional bosses

>>719165028
lol >>719164045

>>719165303
Yeah but something has to keep tumblr contained.

>>719165303
lmao you never even played em nigga

>>719165090
It's always people going "dude, it's just shitty Super Metroid/Castlevania Sotn!", but I've played all three of those games, and HK stands out as slightly better.
>Super Metroid - dude, bomb random tiles until you figure out where to go, and the wall jump has the worst controls ever
>SotN - Literally just a broken game with no challenge, and level design largely consisting of long flat corridors. Any patforming that exists is trivialised by the time you get the bat
How are these better?
If you like this genre, you should be happy that it's actually improving over time.

>>719165342
I concede

Hollow Knight -> Nine Sols -> Symphony of the night
I played all 3 within the span of a year and this is my unironic rating.
Nine Sols' final boss was absolute kino, the world building and characters, and honestly every boss was fun and memorable. One of the few games I enjoyed 100%'ing. Symphony of the Knight's combat is dogshit. The ambience and castle is beautiful, but the gameplay is mediocre. Half the bosses you kill immediately, it's far too easy and simple.
Hollow Knight is a masterpiece in it's own right.
>>719165182
You didn't beat it lmao, you're lying on the internet for social interaction because you're a friendless loser IRL and /v/ is your only place to fill that social hole.
Because you're such an insufferable fucking human being nobody wants to be around you IRL. You're only a burden on the people around you, you have no purpose. Never forget that.

>>719165402
who pissed in your cereals ? I talked bad about your favorite game which your whole personality revolves around and you're throwing a tempter tantrum lmao

>>719163950
HK is the only metroidvania that doesn't lack in some area. It manages to do everything at least decently well. Only more focused games like Rabi Ribi with its bullet hell bosses or Aeterna Noctis with its platforming can stand alongside it.

>>719165376
THANK YOU, YOU ACTUALLY PLAY THESE FUCKIGN GAMES
10000%
YES
You're damn fucking right, and you're arguing with contrarians and zoomers who garnet their opinions from ecelebs instead of playing these games themselves.

>>719165376
I thought Super Metroid was pretty bad (much prefer Zero Mission) and SOTN was good but overrated, but HK was just fucking boring as hell I'm sorry. The fact that even you only see it as "slightly better" should make it obvious that it's not that clear cut and why others would prefer those other games, no?

>>719165028
>the same fanaticism as undertale and delta something.
I remember when I was an insecure 14 year old and I would act like the things I was shit talking were so far beneath me that I didn't even know the name because I thought it made me look cool and above it all. Things really do get better after high school, hang in there champ.

>>719162872 (OP)
Contrarianism isn't an issue, a polarised internet is the issue. Reddit is the exact opposite of 4chan where you can't voice a negative opinion. Even a mild criticism must be phrased in ways that pay lip service to group consensus out of fear of dogpiling. "I like the game but...". The issue is the internet more broadly. Basically if you like a game you have to go to Reddit to talk about it, and if you don't like it you have to go to imageboards. There's no site which allows nuanced opinions.

>>719165402
This might be the most inane newfaggotry I've read on /v/ all year. I hope you work through that psychosis before you assault somebody in real life, champ. In all genuine seriousness, get help before you eat a bullet.

>>719162872 (OP)
/v/ despises scrimblos because... yeah they just do

>>719165314
>start a thread calling anyone that doesn't like a product literally hitler
>people who didn't like it remember their experience with the game and go into the thread to say that ur game sucks dick and your shit's all retarded
It's pretty simple. Too many people nowadays treat the things they consume as parental replacements. An attack on Hollow Knight isn't an attack on you.

>>719162872 (OP)
I played Hollow Knight a while back and just couldn't get into it.

I am willing to give Silksong a chance though since it seems to be addressing most of my problems with the game.

>>719165621
Nah, mentally-ill contrarian zoomers deserve to be treated like the fucking filth that they are.
I'm richer, /fit/er, and better off than anyone else in this thread.
The fact that I share a board, let alone a world with these fucking insects is incredibly unfair to me as a human being.

>>719165723
I keep telling people but no one listens
It takes 5 hours to become fun

>>719165526
They prefer them because "new bad", and truth be told, have probably not played all three of those games to begin with.
or they just got filtered by HK, because it asks a little more of you, and are hiding the fact that they're mad about it

>>719165691
i see
makes me wonder what causes this or if it's just plain ol trolling

>>719165691
UMMM IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY FAVORITE GAME THEN YOU'RE A FRIENDLESS LOSER
ALSO I'M RICHER THAN YOU HAHAHA I WIN I WIN I WIN I OWNED YOU

>>719165682
but this isn't a scrimblo
this is an inventory management simulator

>>719165376
>implying you don't smack every wall and floor in Hollow Knight to find new paths and items

>>719164846
you are retarded, the game saw a spike in player count recently, twice even, the people who hate posting this game played it just now due to all the shilling you tasteless mongrels give this game and get disappointed because you fags prop this 5/10 shit as if it's a god game or something

>>719165028
undertale and deltarune are the metal gear solid of indie games, fucking shitty gameplay with tons of dialogue/cutscenes but the details and memes and ironic weeb shit tone make them immune to criticism on the internet

hollow knight is also pretty average and extremely overhyped by overemotional sissies, all the mechanics come from other popular games so it doesn't even have the argument of being original either

>>719165376
at least you can superbomb the entire screen in metroid instead of checking every wall like a retard

>>719165691
I've yet to hear a non-stupid complaint against it.
>uh dude, it's too big, and you have to explore too much
That's the point!

>>719165946
Hitting shit with your sword is snappier and more fun than turning into a ball and laying an egg, and most of the secrets are visually signposted.

>>719162872 (OP)
It's retards that get easily filtered. Look at how many complain about the system.

>>719166032
>at least you can make the game play itself

>>719166123
>I-it's okay when MY game does it.
Fuck you. You make me ashamed to have played this game.

HK threads before Silksong announced
>Guys this boss is hard to beat
>Omg the OST is so good
>I thought the game was pretty good but not a perfect 10
>Silksong never
>Bug sex
HK threads after Silksong announced
>Guys this boss is hard to beat
>Omg the OST is so good
>I thought the game was pretty good but not a perfect 10
>OMFG HAHA YOU RETARDS ACTUALLY LIKE HOLLOW KNIGHT THIS IS A SLOP GAME FOR SLOP BABIES IVE DEFINITELY ALWAYS HAD THIS OPINION AND AM DEFINITELY NOT JUST SHITTING UP THE BOARD NOW BECAUSE I NEED ATTENTION
>Bug sex

>>719166039
and you have to explore too much for little to no reward*
Poor form. Either do the entire bit or make up the entire thing.

One thing I really dislike about Hollow Knight is that little freeze and flash that happens whenever you get hit

Remember how the original Hollow Knight was like 15 bucks? I'm expecting Silksong to be quadruple or quintuple that price at minimum.

This board is riddled with stupid reddit faggots and zoomer nigger retards.

>>719166289
why are you so mentally ill?

>>719162872 (OP)
Reddit loves Hollow Knight
Take from that what you wish

>>719166039
i found it really visually boring, i rarely like a setting that calm outside of the combat i guess

but again, i do understand why people like it, it's certainly not my cup of tea but i think i've seen triple digit threads about complaints only
i really don't understand what drives people to talk so much about something they didn't like

>>719166289
>I thought the game was pretty good but not a perfect 10
Never seen a single HK fan say this.

>>719166283
Firstly, basic progression is very rarely hidden behind false walls in HK, and secondly the process of turning into a ball and laying a bomb then waiting for it to explode takes like four seconds in Metroid. You're comparing apples to oranges (and you don't play games)

>>719166289
It's a last remnant of shazam. The game's inevitable success will likely break them for good.

I just installed Hollow Knight on my Steam Deck. Ended up playing Cult of the Lamb for 3 hours instead

>>719166039
>BRO WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DONT WANT TO EXPLORE GREY NOTHING FOR 30 HOURS??????????????????????? IT TURNS PURPLE AND GREEN SOMETIMES!!!!!!!!!

>>719162991
>the /v/ opinion
What do you even mean by this?

>>719166289
They're losers who need the attention their fatherless homes never provided to them.

>>719166490
This. We won't let them succeed. We will preorder it.

>>719166306
There's always a reward though?
Plus, filling in the map and seeing everything is it's own reward.

>>719162872 (OP)
I think the biggest issue with HK is the dash being so late to get (sure it is still "early" on but thats still 2-4 hours away for a first time player)
the game really opens up after you get it, and it should have been in the first area

>>719162872 (OP)
one day you'll be 70 and realize that you spent practically your entire life pretending to be retarded

>>719165741
your brain can't handle someone disliking the thing you like and you bury yourself deep up your ass instead

>>719166461
You started the comparison shit head

>>719162872 (OP)
Everything about it is uninteresting. The combat is too simple, same with the movement, the environments all look the same, platforming isn't ever interesting. It's like a whole game that's nothing but the most basic bitch first level. Any other decent to great metroidvania has cool levels and crazy power-ups, Hollow Knight has jack shit. Puts me to sleep just thinking about it.

>>719166506
It's clearly black nothing. You didn't play the game.

I don't care if they are actually good, I will never touch HK and Undertale games because the fanbases are garbage and full of autists. Simple as

>>719166326
My guess is 30 max. I doubt they're going to forget how much glowing praise they got from stuffing that much game into a 15 dollar price point, going up towards AAA prices seems like a fuckwitted thing to do when blowing out AAA games on a price to quality scale is what got them on the map.

>>719166548
There's no pre-orders, faggot.

>>719166670
>the environments all look the same
>platforming isn't ever interesting.
Ah, you never played it. Got it.

what should be improved in hollowknight?
hard mode: no making it harder or make enemies harder/more complex
i'll go first with the charm system being reworked to actually have synergy with each other, so that you don't have useless charms that either do no damage or barely negate damage.
add a screw attack or something, because a measly double jump sucks when enemies can all fly

>>719162872 (OP)
>oh boy I wonder if this charm will make the game play any different
>it's all just damage modifiers
T-Thanks.

>>719166661
Yeah, and I justified my opinion that Metroid is more annoying. Not sure what you're confused with.
I wasn't complaining about games having secrets. I was complaining about that thing Metroid games do where they lock you in a room and go "haha, find the bombable tile, or you don't get to leave!", as if that's supposed to be fun.

>>719162872 (OP)
>Reddit-tier contrarianism
Been here since 2007, 4chan was BUILT on being the contrarian no fun moaners it's not a "Reddit thing" it's what separated us from Reddit.

>>719166761
good world design, better power ups in quality and quantity, improved pacing, and removed losing slop on death

Watching Nerrel videos isn't a replacement for a well researched opinion, or personality.

>>719165774
You made me check and well... I don't know about that. Do you get upgrades that make the movement faster/more interesting in under 5 hours if you know where you're going or something? That was my first complaint about the game: You move slow and jump like a Flash game character. My second complaint is that the knight is a dinky little character, not cool to play as at all. Hornet looks cooler and seems to actually move with grace and deft, which is a must for me in a Metroidvania. I know you unlock the double jump at some point but I must have not gotten very far in the map. The nail bouncing is interesting I guess, but not enough for me. The map and the way you unlock parts of it plus the way you save on benches was also shitty. I have seen the entire map posted on here before and I wasn't really impressed. It's not that it was too big to explore but it just didn't really have interesting connections, locales just seem placed in haphazard spots. Im hoping since Silksong is a "work your way to the top" game like Dread it'll have more cohesive map design.

Trust me, I don't want to shit on this game like the /v/ contrarians, I just struggle to play it and go "Oh! I get the hype now.". It seemed average in all respects and wasn't doing anything earthshattering as a Metroidvania besides the boss fights I guess.

>>719165774
what happens after the 5th hour? The game boots up an emulator with a Super Metroid rom?

>>719167052
you finally get your first movement upgrade

>>719165842
Dread is up there with Super Metroid (even better at times) in the same way Tropical Freeze is up there with DK trilogy.

HK is shit. It will always be shit, it handles like a mobage and you niggers are killing gaming.

>>719166694
You're coping.

>>719166853
Yeah and back then we were right and reddit was full of mouth breather retards

but nowadays Reddit is right and we're full of mouth breather retards

Case in point: reddit loved Fallout 3. We hated this game because of his numerous faults.

Now Reddit hates Fallout 3 because of his numerous faults. We love this game. This is not new, on every single point it seems we switched those past six years with Reddit as the laughinstock full of retards (and Reddit the game patricians)

>>719167298
I highly doubt you're capable of understanding the posts you read.

>>719167298
>Case in point: reddit loved Fallout 3. We hated this game because of his numerous faults.

No we didn't.

>>719167195
Dread got old after like the second EMMI. They went too hard on that gimmick.
Plus the 3D graphics look soulless in comparison to good 2D art.

>>719166927
Who's this nerrel faggot again?

>>719167196
ou're oping

>>719166407
So youve literally never been in a HK thread before. This was an extremely common opinion before the autistic spergs started seething about the game a week ago

>>719167725
Guy who made a bunch of really strained and tenuous arguments for why HK is bad like "the environments all look the same"(they don't), and "it's bad that the game rewards you money for exploring, because Super Metroid doesn't do that".

>>719167561
The bosses in the back half of the game more than make up for it.

>>719162872 (OP)
>Reddit-tier
>Contrarianism
Redditors are the most genuflect consoomer retards, faggot.

>>719162872 (OP)
SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND (male), PHANTOM, WHILST HORNET WATCHES.

>>719166692
>Not touching a game because of the fandom when you're not nearly retarded enough to know you can play a game without ever interacting with its fandom
Surely you're not that retarded right?
Oh wait, frogposter, that makes sense that you might actually be that retarded.

>>719163950
play symphony of the night, dawn of souls and order of ecclesia then play HK and you will see

>>719168364
I don't even know what people mean when they say a fanbase is bad. Where do you have to go to interact with these people?

>>719164219
More or less. OP is a coward who had to create his own echo chamber instead of replying to the thread he's complaining about.

If we were to start shitting on current videogames that play like older games there wouldn't be a single /v/ videogame thread anymore

>>719163838
>>719165141
its a falseflag from the bg3/e33 hater(s) (possible discord) to create a flame war between the two "fandoms"
he/they already tried it with ff, donkey kong, ds2, etc.

>90% of complaints in this thread are "X old game did it better"
You are not an individual. You have no unique thoughts. You are a late 20s/30s year old person who is bitter and repetitive. Your opinions hold no weight, value or merit.
And most importantly, nobody thinks you are cool, or smart, for bleating this out.

>>719162991
ER is better than DS2 but both suck

>>719168774
Why are you talking to yourself in second person?

I did not need anyone to tell me I did not like this game, and no I'm not going to write a 2000 character manifesto about it because obviously I just thought it felt like doodoo and I didn't want to spend 30 hours poking things with a toothpick.

>>719168774
samus return/dread and axiom verge was better than it. What now zoomie? The only reason this game is shilled as much as undertale, it is because people are simps for the characters. But the gameplay is incredibly mid at very best

>>719162872 (OP)
I'd be interested in seeing how well Silksong sells 2bh. I don't know a single person that paid full price for Hollow Knight.

>>719167153
HK's dash isn't that fun though. it's the floatiest most boring kind of airdash.

>>719162991
Ds2 has a whole lot more merit than elden slop

>>719169826
>samus return/dread and axiom verge was better than it
By every possible metric this is untrue. What now zoomie?

>>719168774
but i unironically dont think these normies have bothered to play other games like 9sols

crazy how this will absolutely mogg the fuck out of that astroturfed pile of shit e33

>>719170118
I played Nine Sols long after Hollow Knight and liked both.
>>719170209
Kill yourself, schizoid

i didn't like hollow knight when i played it

>>719170209
the e33 vs silksong situation is CRAZY

>/v/ turns on New Vegas because of Reddit/trannies
>/v/ turns on Undertale because of Reddit/trannies
>/v/ turns on Hollow Knight because of Reddit/trannies
It will happen to (You).

>>719170118
The last MVs I played were Touhou Lunar Nights, and Pharaoh Rebirth.
There are simply so many of these now, that you have to pick and choose whatever appeals to you, and leave the rest.

>>719162872 (OP)
>how dare people not like the game I do. CONTRARIAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!
and you wonder why people hate you HK niggers

>>719162872 (OP)
It's one of the most aggressively astroturfed games of the past decade. Outside of /v/ and game journo circles, you won't see a soul talking about it.

>>719162872 (OP)
>/v/'s greater issue
Kill yourself.
>>719162991
>the /v/ opinion
Kill yourself.

>>719162872 (OP)
"Popular thing bad" isn't about contrarianism, at least not always. it's about expectations vs reality. HK is a solid 8/10 game, tons of content and pretty fun, but when everyone tells you its a 12/10 genre defining masterpiece, and so you play it, and its nowhere near that, your brain overcorrects and makes you feel like the game is a 4/10 piece of shit, basically the difference in what you got from what you were told you were getting is doubled. so many latecomers who go in expecting an unbelievable game see only the flaws, leading to them to being excessively critical because they feel like they were lied to by the fans.

>>719163349
Nah kill yourself, it's an incredible game and anyone who says otherwise is a baby brained gay loser

>>719170521
might wanna check out youtube and countless HK essays unc with gorillions of views
some people made their entire "career" talking about this singleplayer 8 year old game

>>719167809
care to post some threads to back your statement up, the archive exists if you've been to them before, should be easy

>>719170369
I appreciate the avatarfagging because it makes it easier exposing you pathetic faggots

I thought the powerups sucked
it had a generic double jump, and a worse shinespark

I dunno what to tell you OP. I'm 35 and loved games like SOTN and Aria and Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin and Super Metroid and Zero Mission and Metroid Fusion but I found Hollow Knight very boring and tedious. I'm not trying to be a contrarian.

>>719162872 (OP)
I'm halfway through it right now. It's charming. It's not Super Metroid. I don't really feel excited to find secrets and I never feel like I'm led in any specific direction. I also don't love how much of a waiting game the bosses are. Like I don't feel like it's a test of skill but just patience.
Maybe because they take so long I notice more. I feel like I'm not really wanting to experiment with the badges because I just don't have a reason to do so. Got the super dash, been looking around for interesting crap on the map, but it's weirdly annoying to look at the map and figure out where to go. On top of that, the areas are way too big for their own good. Just annoying to get through.
So far it's a 7/10 for me.

>>719170521
I was told I should play it by a normalfag friend.

>>719162872 (OP)
Gay as always, OP

>>719162872 (OP)
It's the most overrated game in the most overrated genre.

>>719170978
TRVKE

>>719169826
Axiom Verge is easily one of the worst metroidvanias I've played.

>>719171171
you're supposed to play the first one bro...

>>719162872 (OP)
Imagine getting so butthurt and rekt in the other thread you make a new thread to whine about it.

Come home white man

>>719162872 (OP)
I've seen more hate post than praise ones, maybe the only contrarinfaggot here is you

>>719171252
I haven't played this since it first came out, i really enjoyed it even though the talent tree was really half-baked. Did the updates add anything fun?

/v/'s entire identity is blind contrarianism. Hollow Knight was quite well liked on release, then it got after a year or so and /v/ turned on it.

>>719171384
They made a sequel that was Co-op focused that was somehow worse in the talent tree, where they had to go back to update the original to make money. So not really. It still gets updates once in a while but it's more a randomizer game mode and not much else outside bug fixes.

>>719171384
The sequel is garbage to be avoided.

>>719171437
Well I agree about blind contrarianism. SilkSong is obviously overhyped but I am looking forward to it.

>>719162872 (OP)
The ambience is the only good part of the game.
The exploration and level design is not that great. Too many empty hallways that stretch out forever. Feels like they're artifically making the map bigger.

>>719171437
Yeah, it's the same cycle every time. A game comes out, people actually like it, then once it picks up mainstream attention or gets talked about too much, /v/ turns into a seething cesspool of revisionism. See also: Undertale, Dark Souls, and BotW. Doesn’t even matter if the game is good or not-once it hits a certain threshold of popularity, contrarian seethe kicks in like clockwork.

Will Silksong have teleporting between benches????
If not, I'm buying it, leaving a negative review, and refunding it at the 1:59min mark.

>>719171567
randomizer's can be fun so i might check it out again. i had fun with Axiom Verge and Bloodstained's randomizers.

>>719165316
Yeah, it doesn't get ball crushing difficult until path of pain and the pantheons. And it also has a very well done difficulty curve.

>>719171705
>SilkSong is obviously overhyped
Not even sure it is. The people who played and liked HK just want more HK, and SS looks like that.
Obviously there will inevitably be people who didnt play the first or disliked it, get SS anyway and then are dissatisfied

>>719171969
based, same if theres runback to bosses

>>719170498
You aren't a contrarian. You just coincidentally hate every popular game, and can't articulate why, without quoting Youtube videos.

>>719162872 (OP)
Op pic is how i feel about shantae

>>719162991
Dark Souls 2 does not have stupid ass Dark Souls 3 style crack bosses. Elden Ring does and it fucking sucks.

>>719162991
Funny to bring up DS2 since HK literally steals its retarded King's Door gimmick

>>719170580
>but when everyone tells you its a 12/10 genre defining masterpiece
No one said that.
What would that even mean? What genre was it defining? Metroid is over thirty years old.

>>719170443
Even if reddit/trannies don't live in my head rent-free?

>>719171705
Silksong isn't even overhyped. It's just a meme at this point, because they spent eight years making what was supposed to be a DLC
Show me one person who expects Silksong to be the best game ever, as opposed to more HK, and probably pretty good.

>>719170580
>when everyone tells you its a 12/10 genre defining masterpiece
You can't even find a fucking post in this very thread that says so. You are making up strawmans in your head.

>>719172063
>runback
God, I hate that term so much.
You literally just don't like playing video games if you say stuff like that.

>>719168410
Ok I did, and every other metroidvania under the sun too, and HK is miles above all of them, now what?

>>719172376
Remember all the savescum, yep, it was to avoid the runback.
Nobody likes wasting their time so games can inflate their playtimes.

>>719163950
Absolute dogshit start. Legitimately worst in genre.
Absolute dogshit pacing. Again, legitimately worst in genre.
Unmemorable visuals and music.
Combat is basic. Would be OK, except see above.
Exploration is not fun at all in a genre where the entire point is exploration.
Charms suck. There are obvious winning combinations and tax charms just to deal with annoying problems baked into the game that didn't have to be.
Hop dash being the best form of movement. It sucked when backdashing was the best way to move in Castlevania, it sucks here too.
Rewards are slow paced as fuck and generic.

>>719164546
Nerell??

>>719172463
We call it "savescumming" because it's a cheap and scummy way to play a game.

Part of the formula of something like Dark Souls or Hollow Knight is that you're rewarded for learning a level, so you can get to the boss with a full health bar, and then have a better shot at beating the boss. It's supposed to be like that.

>>719172016
>path of pain
>difficult
did we play a different game? path of pain was a joke, only thing difficult about it was not falling asleep because it was too long.

>>719172348
>nobody said that today
>that means its never been said ever
meanwhile in reality you have faggots literally here on /v/ trying to rename the genre to hollowlikes.

>>719172481
>why is it bad?
>just lists parts of the game and says they're bad
lol. Okay, what makes Metroid's combat not "basic"?

>>719172574
You're retarded and it's just a waste of time thats why even Fromsoft put in Stakes of Marika in ER. I hope Team Cherry played that and have sometthing similar in SS.

>>719172576
>it was too long
>did we play a different game?
I think so, yeah.

>>719169467
Having watched dozens of youtuber playthroughs, I can tell this is the opinion of someone who couldn't remember where the town was, never bought the map, struggled to fight flies and roly polies, didn't understand the healing system, have no idea you can attack up and down, and quit after doing a loop three times around the first level.
You'd be astonished how many times I've seen all that.

>>719172668
Find one person who said HK was "genre defining". That's not a thing that happened, because it very clearly wears it's influences on it's sleeve.

Nerrel was right

I still don't understand why developers lied that they'd never heard of Dark Souls and all similarities are coincidental.

>>719172726
>playing video games is a waste of time
So just watch the end on Youtube, and be done with it.

Zoomers lack all earnestness. Really cucked generation. Theyre all vaxxed too lmfao

>>719172857
Nerrel picked a bizarre angle that all "Metroidvanias" need to be judged on how well they emulate Metroid, when that wasn't even the intent of Hollow Knight (they were largely inspired by FaXanadu).
I like Nerrel when he's talking about Zelda or motion control, but he had a weird autism fit about this game, and also defended the Last Jedi. He's not right about everything.

>>719172809
>>718998547
there you go, just a couple days old too.

>>719172895
iirc the SotN devs lied about playing Super Metroid, so its really just par for the course for the genre.

>>719172687
Nothing. But Metroid isn't paced like shit.

>>719172452
>I PLAYED EVERY METROIDVANIA EVER MADE GUISE I SWEAR
you are a poser

>>719162991
/v/ loves Elden Ring because it's full of brainrotten eceleb-worshipping consoletoddler turd worlders

>>719173104
That's clear bait, and you probably posted it.

>>719162872 (OP)
Hollow Knight is fine. As a Metroidvania though it is legitimately a 3-4/10. The best thing about HK is it inspired ender lilies to be made

I wonder what the consensus was on HK here was when it first came out.

>>719173253
>big game TOO BIG!
That's the point.

>>719173414
It was considered really good, and I liked Metroidvanias, so I tried it.
It was really really fucking bad

>>719173308
>post is >50% buzzwords
No, Anon, you are the brainrot

>>719173386
This is bizarre because I've played every 2d metroid and every igavania sans the one with juste and most of them are all around worse than HK

>>719172895
Never happened. They outright said they were influenced by bloodborne. You just insist that it's a souls clone when it isn't.

>>719172795
You need to learn not to post things that make you sound like 10x more of a loser than what you're trying to make fun of you dumb zoomer.

>>719173435
The point of the game is to be a bad Metroidvania?

>>719164586
I dislike the castvania side of Metroidvanias so I disagree. I do think HK is better than the bottom 3rd or so Metroid games

>>719172795
>have no idea you can attack up and down
Not surprising, considering the game never tells you you can do that, even though it goes out of its way to tell you how to move, attack, and jump.

>>719173369
not me, just looked in the archive for "hollowlike" because i knew i'd find a few.
and i never assume someone being retarded is just pretending, because there's way to much real retardation out there to give people that benefit of the doubt.

>>719172687
Dude I swear. All those retard spouting "babby's first metroidvania, where literally everysingle aspect of it is better and more complex than in any metroidvania ever made.

Metroid has one weapon, shooting. You get the missile shooting that opens red doors, the laser shooting that opens purple doors. Yet somehow HK lacks weapons.
Bosses are zelda-like where you just repeat the easy pattern, hit the weak point three times and you win. Your options are jumping and shooting. HK has crazy action packed bosses where you dash and bounce everywhere, cast spells, heal, reflect attacks in a bullet time fashion.
Castlevania SotN bosses are mindless HP sacks that ignore you and just spam aoes for you to avoid. You have jump and attack. Oh but the attack has different skins because the game has lots of weapons. You can have a skin that takes the whole screen so it takes no skill!
Neither game even HAS platforming. At no point are you required to overcome difficult traversal, you just keep walking. Oh wait no, Castlevania has the clock tower, that's one platforming section, and only due to medusas, not actual platforms. HK has plenty of tricky labyrinths of spikes you have to dash through. And let's not talk of the white palace. And still /v/ will tell you HK has bad platforming and level design and Metroid's is amazing, somehow.

>>719173547
The point is that it's a big world that you get lost and have adventure in.
It's not supposed to be a perfectly neat and concise little speed running game. You're free not to like it, but that doesn't mean it has flawed design.
I'd also say you should probably stop playing games about exploration if you don't like exploration and play a racing game or something, but that's just me.

>>719172895
the resident evil guys also lied about never having played alone in the dark and only admittedly it 15 years later

>>719163950
HK isn't a bad game. It's a SHIT Metroidvania.

>>719172081
>goes right to assuming I watch youtube for my opinions
Damn get new material HKfag

i got stuck after like the first boss

there's the people in the mine but i dont know what to do there. i like the song

La mulana then HK then la mulana 2 then 9 sols then the rest

>>719173531
Hollow Knight isn't a Metroidvania though. It is a 2d dark souls game

>>719162872 (OP)
how did hollow knight succeed over bug fables in the "x genre but with bugs" genre?

Yet another peak player count has been reached.

>>719173690
So the point of the game is to be a bad Metroidvania?

>>719173830
>uh ackchually, I read Twitter threads!
That's worse.

>>719173531
>They outright said they were influenced by bloodborne
They didn't, they only named a bunch of NES games like Zelda 2 and Mega Man.

>>719173874
No it's not, a 2D Dark Souls would be much much better than Hollow Knight. We know this is true because Salt & Sanctuary is much better than Hollow Knight.

>>719170443
Nah, I still love New Vegas, but I can't stand Shallow Knight and its tranny fanbase.

>>719162872 (OP)
Oeople on /v/ have just played enough games to know that Hollow Knight isn't anything special. It's an informed opinion vs reddit hype

>Reddit-tier contrarianism
it's /v/ that is contrarian, Reddit isn't
it is a site of self contained little hug boxes where people that enjoy things re-affirm each other in enjoying it
the opposite happens here, that's how it's always been, if a game has fans people will fight about it, because every game gets hate, but the ones that are loved also have people defending them
if anything these threads are evidence that HK is one of the more loved games, because so many people will argue on it's behalf

>>719173526
Difference of opinion. You barely progress your character in HK where every other fucking games gives both more and upgrades and more impactful upgrades

>>719173951
Why

>>719173959
>Metroid is good because you can rush through it
I hate people who think like this.
The best thing in any Metroid game is where you're playing it for the first time, and you fall through a floor and end up in some strange place where you're not even sure if you're meant to be, and then you think you've fucked up progression and softlocked yourself, but actually the game was thinking ahead of you.

>>719173951
>Literally "HK fan excited to play HK for first time"
Lol

>>719173982
>keeps making assumptions
Least mentally ill Hollow Knigger.

>>719174304
>actually it was Discord!
This just gets worse for you.

>>719173848
Have you tried going to holes on the map leading to another room?
After the first boss you get the fireball spell, and it makes you fight an armored enemy from a distance using the spell. You should have already seen an identical enemy in the same area that you couldn't beat earlier, you now can.

The mine is like the 5th or 6th area, you need the downwards slam.

>>719162872 (OP)
>>719162991
OH NO ONE PERSON DIDN'T LIKE HOLLOW KNIGHT

ONE PERSON DIDN'T SUCK THIS GAME OFF AND WORSHIP IT AS THE BEST THING EVER

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!! CONTRARIAN!!! CONTRARIAN!!!!!

>>719174246
>He thinks it's about speedrunning
No. It's about the game being concise and rewarding from moment to moment. It's about the game not outstaying its welcome.

>>719174176
Can you repeat to me all the ways your character can progress in HK. Thanks

it's just boring
i know it was your first metroidvania but its average in all respects

>>719174176
>double jump
>dash
>wall jump
>the long dash thing
>I frame dash
>3 sword abilities
>3 spells, each with an upgraded version
>bunch of charms that modify shit
this is at least on par with most igavanias and metroids

>>719173951
Funny how it only has 50k because the succes grew slowly over the years. Silksonk is going to get in the 500k.

>>719174418
So pick a different genre. Play a rhythm game. Literally the most on-rails and non-stop fun genre you can play.
Don't walk into a game that is supposed to be more of a gradual and deliberate journey and throw a tantrum because you're jonesing for dopamine hits.

>>719174301
This is the same annoying shit as a fighting game having an online update to actually make it playable announced and then suddenly hitting peak player numbers right then instead of when the fucking update actually comes out, fucking hype monkeys.

>>719174245
it's on deep discount + silksong hype I imagine

>>719174620
No you fucking faggot, I'm not picking another genre, I don't have problems with Metroidvanias. I don't need to get out of a genre I've been playing before you were even alive.

>>719174620
>I want this Metroidvania to play like a Metroidvania because I like Metroidvanias
>No play a different genre
You are retarded

>>719174479
you forgot the health, soul and sword upgrades
you forgot the dream nail and it's associated travel method
you forgot acid immunity
and, technically speaking, some enemies (mantis people, shades) becoming passive is a kind of character progression, however minor

>>719174716
You played Metroid for the wrong reasons, and never really played it. You wouldn't get it.

>>719162872 (OP)
>>719170443
>>719163005
I've never liked Hollow Knight that much. And I'm especially annoyed over the years by the fact that Hollow Knight cultists are constantly screaming at everyone else telling them they aren't allowed to enjoy Metroid or Castlevania games anymore because their game is surely just the best thing ever made.

I find it laughable that they even try to play the victim in this scenario, when they literally threw the first stone here. Hollow Knight fans only gain attention themselves by being contrarians and aggressively attacking beloved games like Super Metroid.

That's the #1 way they advertise their game to begin with. So why are you crying about this exactly, hypocrite?

>>719162872 (OP)
>Reddit-tier contrarianism.
What an incredible oxymoron. Reddit's problem is that they are terribly, horrifically sincere at every and all moments about shit no human being should ever express pride in

>>719174775
>Bro you haven't played your most played genre for the past 30 fucking years
This is why people hate HK fags. They jerk off the lest Metroidvania and claim it is the peak of the genre

>>719174361
acktshually' I get my opinions from /v/ threads! :^)
just like you.. wait a minute..

>>719174620
Or, he could just play an actually good metroidvania like TLC or Ori that is engaging right from the outset.

>>719174815
>And I'm especially annoyed over the years by the fact that Hollow Knight cultists are [HEADCANON]

>>719174245
I'm replaying it right now in anticipation for silksong. Figures plenty of people are doing the same

>>719174815
>telling them they aren't allowed to enjoy Metroid or Castlevania games anymore
No one said that. It's literally the other way around.
Just because I can articulate why I think HK is better than Metroid and Castlevania doesn't mean I don't like Metroid and Castlevania.
That's like saying I don't like Mario 1, because I think Mario 3 is better.

>>719174815
The one with a victim complex here is you.

>>719174979
See >>719174775

I fucking hate HK DARVO fags. Your game is an 8/10. As a 2d souls like it is a 9/10. As a Metroidvania it is a 2/10.

>>719174815
Also lol at the obvious elevation of Super Metroid as some kind of sacred cow in this anon's mind.
Why can't it just be a good game from the early 90's?
>NoooO! It's the best ever!
Why?

Hollow Knight is boring pixel slop. Shadow Complex on the other hand was a good and influential Metroid clone which pushed the genera forward and has a ton of features which are standard now.

>>719165376
>dude, bomb random tiles until you figure out where to go

You are an unimaginably dumb nigger if you ever had to resort to spamming bombs to progress. The ONLY times I could see having to do that is for some optional expansions and even that becomes a non-issue once you gets things like power bombs and x ray scope.

>>719174890
I play games and then express my opinions to /v/. I don't absorb the retardation that half of this site is. I challenge it, more often than not.

>>719165376
The wall jump is easy you're just low IQ and can't recognize when to do it.

>>719175123
Because it released in 1994 for one thing, and why can't a good game from 1994 be the best game in its genre

>>719174176
Not even talking about the various movement uprades, skills and charm builds you can do, just actual pickups you find laying around in secret areas

HK has :
Sword upgrades for more damage
Life upgrades
Mana upgrades
Charm slots upgrades
Grub map upgrade

Meanwhile metroid has...
Life upgrades
Ammo upgrades
That's it I think? Maybe bomb upgrades in some games

>>719175163
>pixel slop
it's not a pixel artstyle game, have you even seen the game?

>>719175030
Yes, those are both me,
I have no idea what you guys who want Metroid to be a fast and snappy experience were even playing Metroid for. You know stuff like Conta and Gunstar Heroes exist, yeah?
The whole point of Metroid is wandering around, getting lost, taking in the ambiance. It's not like it plays that well as an action game.

>>719175297
Uses pixels THOUGHBEIT

>>719175249
Why can't games that came out after 1994 improve upon something from 1994?

>>719175394
This. If you are even comparable to a game that was made 30 years ago your game is shit

>>719175358
no man, it uses sprites

>>719175394
>>719175487
No one says this about movies thoughbeit

>>719175335
Metroid is and always was a well-paced experience.
A Metroid game that was the same game except its content was stretched to 50 hours long and most secret paths didn't give you anything would be shit.

>>719175657
I don 80s movies are so much better as movies it is sickening.

>>719175657
Bull fucking shit. And if they don't they should

>>719162872 (OP)
i'm typically not very contrarian about /v/ core but this game IS not a masterpiece and at its core is very basic. silksong will be a disappointment to the fans

>>719175297
pixel slop is a game design mindset involving taking old ideas and simplifying things which don't need to be simplified

>>719175619
And what are sprites made out of?

>>719175674
It's ok he will just ignore your point or miss represent it. Classic DARVO

>>719162872 (OP)
It's because the zoomers who played it have never played a metroidvania before.

>>719175775
what did HK simplify, specifically?

>>719175919
Every HK fag I know is either 27+ and hated other metroidvanias or it was literally their first one

>>719175657
No one thinks it's impossible for a new movie to be as good as an old movie.
They do recognise that Hollywood is largely in the shitter because studios aren't willing to give young people creative freedom anymore. That's a little different.

>>719175394
nobody knows. it should absolutely be possible, but devs keep failing at it.

>>719175674
>describes a game that isn't HK
wow

>>719162872 (OP)
>don’t play good game
>play other good game instead
Every thread Hollow Knight hate thread.
Is this minmaxing pleasure by exclusively playing the best possible games and avoiding anything with flaws?

>>719175919
I literally played NES Metroid to completion as one of my first ever Metroidvanias. How many of you can say that?
You probably just like SotN, because it's easy and for babies.

>>719175335
>The whole point of Metroid is wandering around, getting lost, taking in the ambiance.
And guess how it reinforces that point, dumbass? By giving you stuff. By making it frequent enough, but never long enough that it wears itself out. Even if it's as simple as a missile tank, Metroid has given you something that matters for poking around since the 80s. Hollow Knight barely gives you shit that's off the beaten path, let alone shit that does anything, and when it does it's spread the fuck out.

>>719176271
>I only like exploring because it gives me stuff
So you don't like exploring.

>>719176230
I can.

>>719162872 (OP)
I don't know why people can't just accept that HK is one of the higher quality games in this genre.

>>719176230
Me. Metroid 1 is unique but product of it's time. 2 fucking sucks ass though. As for SotN I hate the Castlevania style of Metroidvanias. If the genre was 80% Metroid 20% Castlevania instead of 30:70 the other way I would be much happier

>>719162872 (OP)
If you think reddit knight is good YOU are reddit

>>719176313
I don't see you playing Ubishit games, now, do I.

>>719175935
movement is simplified compared to other platformers by removing momentum and combat is simplified by giving you a dash with I frames making every boss battle a simple test of timing that dash

>>719176271
>I need to be dripfed dopamine or it's bad
I think something like this would be better for you.

>>719176448
Because they just drop you in a field with no challenge or resistance and mark everything on a map. About as much adventure there as using google maps.

>>719176510
Some people like simplicity.

>>719176524
>Injecting Metroid games directly into me
Fucking please. As long as they aren't mercury SHITs games

>>719176565
So you don't like exploring.

>>719176603
Having a red line point you to your destination is the opposite of exploring.

>>719176510
>giving you a dash with I frames
More proof that haters don't actually play the game.

>>719162872 (OP)
OP pic is true though. Ori was always better than HK and apparently nobody gives a shit about Ori anymore

>>719176313
Exploring without a point isn't exploring.

>>719176750
Exploring with a point is just doing chores.

>>719176727
First game had too much story crap and railroading for me to want to play for more than a few hours and the second game added mediocre combat that kept interrupting the platforming.

>>719176947
No.

>>719176947
Oh so you don't like exploring now?

>>719176750
You explore for its own sake.

>>719177069
I explore to see the entire world, not to pick up groceries.
You wouldn't get it. It's genuinely just not your genre.

>>719177162
No, it's not yours. You don't understand the basics of the genre. You explore to find stuff to explore better.

>>719162872 (OP)
You turbo niggers made me download it.

>>719173673
>And still /v/ will tell you HK has bad platforming and level design and Metroid's is amazing, somehow.
Makes perfect sense actually. /v/ sucks at video games

>>719177240
we won gangstalker bros! he bought!

>>719177240
It's good. Have fun and avoid spoilers and guides.

>>719177114
No, you don't.

If you find this guy's tail and don't consider whacking it to be a good reward for exploration then you simply don't like exploring.

>>719162872 (OP)
>A game being dogshit is contrarianism
lol

/v/'s biggest issue is inventing narratives to be mad about and fight against imaginary /v/ poster while doing it on /v/ with the support of /v/

>why does the game X makes /v/ seethe
>/v/ now hate game Y, what happened?
>but /v/ told me game Z was bad
>/v/ this
>/v/ that
YOU ARE /V/ YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARDS

Hollow Knight recieved overwhelming praise both here and on the internet overall, stop being such obnoxous /v/ictim.

>unironic posters coming out of the woodwork to go 'wtf is hollow knight, is this a shilled game? ive never heard of it so it must not be popular'
this board is fucking pointless

>>719176579
Some simplicity adds to a game's depth but Hollow Knights simplicity is degenerate in the sense of removing thought and being exploitable. An extreme example of a game that is too some for its own good is Soul Blazer on the SNES where you can just stand in a corner or by a wall mashing attack and the enemies will always run into you and die. The game becomes degenerate and less for it. And on the other hand there are games which are made better by their simplicity like Ghosts and Goblins. That game takes away your ability to change directions in the air without using your double jump but instead of being degenerate it makes you have to think about your jumps and come up with plans tackle each segment. Hollow Knight is more like the former than the later and the solutions to most problems devolve into just dashing.

>>719162872 (OP)
Maldtendofags doing their thing.

>>719177315
That was a great memorable moment, so yeah.

>>719176313
There has to be a point to exploring. You won't be particularly happy if you drag your physical self into a cave in the middle of nowhere and wander around to find your reward is that it's just a cave. Not a discarded miner's boot or scrap of an old signboard to be found. No funny geological formations, no fancy scenery, no underground rivers, just rock walls and darkness until you give up and go home. That's Hollow Knight. Explore away, there's nothing that way, or that way, and there might be something that way, but you'll practically glitch your way up and wonder if you just sequence broke it. But it doesn't matter if you did, because, surprise surprise, there was nothing up there. Except more copy/paste scenery that's identical to everything else in the entire biome. But eventually you'll hit a boss. Those are alright. And you'll get an ability that will mostly suck...

>>719177387
doesn't really work this time because it's the most wishlisted game on Steam

>>719162872 (OP)
The problem with /v/ is that everyone takes their opinions as fact. If someone doesn't like a game, it's a bad game, there is a no room for other's opinions.

>>719162872 (OP)
he isn't wrong though. HK is pure soulless garbage. also it's abbreviation links it to chinks which makes it even worse.

>>719176647
>umm aktually it's only I frames for 90% of the boss's attacks

>>719177457
Real people will explore caves just to study rocks and moss. It's not a wasted journey just because you don't get pirate gold every time.

And no, Hollow Knight is not a game where you "just find nothing" every time. That's a narrative you've invented. You very often run into unique NPCs, or interesting landmarks.

>>719177508
yeah, by Indian bots

>>719177721
So they're exploring for a point.
>And no, Hollow Knight is not a game where you "just find nothing" every time.
Might as fucking well be. Geo is worthless.

>fall down a hole
>enter a whole new area, and uncover an optional boss fight
How is this "bad exploration with no reward"? Explain this to me,

>>719164531
>WAAAAAAH YOU MUST ONLY NOT LIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR
Actually I played it and it was a waste of money, 5/10 at best. You are a mindbroken tranny
>>719165376
>dude, bomb random tiles
Absolute retard, these are the people giving their opinions on /v/
>Any patforming that
You are indian.
>>719165741
Newfags like you are killing /v/, no one cares about your tumblrtranny opinions, go the fuck back.
>>719176347
>Why can't people accept something that is blatantly wrong???
Retard
>>719177387
HK is overshadowed so hard by titans like SoTN and Metroid Dread that it's normal for fans of the genre to not have heard of it

>>719177721
Or hell, just random stuff like >>719177315 where it's just at the top of a certain room

>>719177819
There's like several dozen things to buy in shops.

>>719162872 (OP)
That and Undertale are just tumblr troon tier zoomer games

>>719177937
And do you get Geo exclusively from exploration? No.

>>719177884
>uh oh, you made a typo...
So we've reached this stage of the thread.

>>719175201
suuuure you do

Silksong will break /v/
Can't wait to see schizos malding for next 10 years over Kinosong

>>719177884
hollow knight sold five times as many copies as metroid dread. you are living in a fantasy world

Do you guys move with the stick or the dpad?

>>719177854
Figure it out yourself.

>>719177992
So you sit around grinding basic enemies for cash, and then you blame the game for not giving you things to do?
>>719178052
No, I really don't talk shit about games I haven't played. What's even the point of doing that? So you can get called out for getting basic facts wrong?

>>719177884
>HK is overshadowed so hard by titans like SoTN and Metroid Dread that it's normal for fans of the genre to not have heard of it
Uh huh.
Shazam lost btw.

>>719178162
You didn't play the game?

>>719178179
You get more than enough just from killing. Geo is not a reward.

>>719162872 (OP)
zoomers ruined this place, they grew up with social media and influencers so shitty negativity baits is all they know

>>719177884
Symphony of the Night is mediocre bro. Aria and the DS games completely mog it.

>>719165989
>5/10 shit
why can't you tasteless faggots just be real, you need dunked in the trashcan with your opinions

>>719178247
I did. It was awful.

>>719178150
stick although i might try pad when skong releases

>>719178129
He's literally me...

>>719178150
Stick. After playing some action games I don't use dpad anymore.

bro bro mid frfr bruh bro e33 is NOT slop bro no cap unc rizz on god frfr brobruh malding

>>719178150
I use the keyboard.
People keep telling me to get a console controller, but I probably never will.
Never felt I needed it for any game.

>>719178389
So uh which boss filtered you?
It was the praying mantises wasn't it

have you beat the radiance?
be honest

How is contrarianism even a real concept? You expect me to believe that there are people who consciously make an effort to be against something using made up criteria as a basis for their opinions that they will then announce to the world at every opportunity?

I doubt it.

>>719178489
>after playing some action games
ok gachafag

>>719178503
is e33 slop? friends say it's good, but I'm not into jrpg or jrpg-likes, never tired them

>>719178606
are you being sarcastic?

Years of obnoxious HKfags taking a shit everywhere because "their metroidvania is the only and the best" caused this reaction.

>>719178614
bruh it’s bussin asg no cap on god also rizz up uncs frfr also I’m trans btw tho and brown

>>719178517
>Never felt I needed it for any game.
You don't "need" any specific input method for any genre. Using the wrong input method still makes it a worse experience.

>>719162872 (OP)
The secret is to get the artistic components right.
Urtuk: the Desolation is better than Darkest Dungeon gameplay-wise, but nobody gives a damn because its art style is messy.

HK = 9.5/10 world setting, 9/10 art direction, 8.5/10 gameplay
Ori = 7.5/10 world setting, 8/10 art direction, 9/10 gameplay

>>719178521
None. I never had trouble with any boss before I quit. I beat the Mantis Lords literally 2nd try and wouldn't have had a 2nd if my controller at the time didn't have stick drift and flung me into the spikes when I was about to win.

>>719178614
It's pretty good. Definitely astroturfed to hell, but you should probably buy and play it to support real ass quality video games being made, and sold at a non-extortionate price.

>>719178778
You still haven't answered the question. People often quit the game after finding a boss that makes them rage

>>719178614
it's one of the least sloptier games released in the past 5 years while simultaneously using the biggest slopengine that every slop game is made on. as someone who makes an effort to play the least amount of slop possible, I do not consider E33 "slop" in any sense of the negative connotations associated with the word.

>>719178672
No one said it was the only one.
Why can't it be the best one? Or at least better then Super Metroid and SotN, which is what we're actually talking about here (no one is talking about La Mulana or Rochard)

>>719178853
>buy and play it to support real ass slop quality slop of the month journobait made by jews
fixed

They're really trying their hardest with with e33 vs silksong shit lol.

>>719178993
>as someone who makes an effort to play the least amount of slop possible
I got bad news for you sis…

>>719178916
I did answer your question. I wasn't filtered by a boss, I was filtered by bad gameplay between the bosses.

>>719162872 (OP)
maybe you should just accept that HK isn't god's gift to the world if it wasn't one of the first few video games you've played in your life

>immediately starts seething about e33 being called slop and impulsively shilling it
lol
lmfao

>>719179161
what was the last boss you remember playing?

>>719177884
>The most wish listed game on steam ever and top rated indie game ever are completely overshadowed by a dead series and a literal who game
Fucking lol

>>719162991
It’s literally spam, anon.
Learn to detect trolling and disengenuous posts.

>>719162991
>just pick whatever opinions you see on here to construct your custom, personalized version of /v/ that is always wrong and makes you always right
Genious
And here I was thinking that there constant shitposter background noise simply hates everything and does whatever gets the most (You)s

>>719175831
Vector based artwork.

>>719162872 (OP)
Damn, OP
You are right
We should just suck everything off if it is popular enough so we can always feel like we are part of the popular opinion

We

>>719179235
Gorb, which I 1 shot with zero effort

>>719179039
Nice brainrot. It's a good game though.
Fun gameplay, intriguing story, distinct lack of AAA slop tier gameplay (no big Bethesda checklist of tedious ass "sidequests" they expect you to spend a hundred hours on. No cinematic stealth takedowns. No yellow paint or on screen quest markers)

>>719178583
Yes. And nightmare Grimm, whose achievement has a lower % than Radiance's.
I started clearing the pantheons but shit happened IRL at the time and I just kind of forgot to go back to the game. But I still remember it fondly, quite fun and rage inducing.

>>719179086
get both

I played the first hollow knight for an hour and a half on release and it was still tutorializing me. there was no shmoovement the combat was lame and the level design was the worst parts of super metroid and sotn combined (big open flat rooms). we've had a million other games like it fo free on good old GameHippo back in the day. only reason HK did well is cause muh cute bugman graphixx and also the game is apparently piss easy. combine with strong marketing and boom instant winner. but not liking it is perfectly reasonable too because it kinda sucks. fuck all of you, I'm not buying silksong, I always post with sage, suck and dick.

>>719179497
>I love journo slop
translated for non shilltroons

>>719177884
Careful they gonna pivot to the popular=quality argument

>>719173951
Bought it 3rd time on steam finally, after playing through switch and gog versions back in the day. Great to revisit it after such a long time, I've forgotten all moment to moment stuff, so it feels very fresh.

>>719179625
Bro, I don't even follow games journalists or have any idea what they're saying.
I took a chance on the game because it was 40GBP, as opposed to 60, and it's pretty good.

>>719179196
Baldur's Gate 3 was a success, same with E33. Unless you can prove otherwise

>>719179702
you just slurp up whatever slop they’re shilling as the savior of the industry that month, got it

>>719179494
every time I see him he looks like a GTA cutscene render

>>719179902
Sir, that is not what I said. Please refrain, or I will be forced to employ force.

>>719179783
posted it again award
you cultist shills really can’t help yourself kek

>>719179783
nobody is saying otherwise
take your meds

>>719179949
It’s not what you said but it’s what you meant to say

>>719180067
I think people should buy good games that come out properly priced, and not pay $100 for GTA6.

>>719180134
meanwhile in delta threads people are saying $80 is perfectly reasonable because you can get it on sale for $60 on a certain website. people are more retarded than you think.

>>719180134
>I think people should buy ugly 40$ slop journobait and not ugly 100$ AAA slop
translated into non slop eater

>>719179625
>>719180287
(((((((trans))))))lated alright.

>>719180270
Don't buy Delta until it's significantly discounted.
>>719180287
E33 is a good game.

>>719180918
>Don't buy Delta
good advice, that game has brown all over it, if you catch my drift hahaha

>>719162872 (OP)
>Reddit loves said boring indie shit game
>"What do you mean your views don't align with Reddit?! You're Reddit!"
This is how retarded you sound

>>719181087
Reddit post.

>>719181015
No not really, are there scenes where snake takes a shit? Does he have a shit camouflage? Smear it all over his face?

>>719181198
Reddit reply

>>719181349
Reddit Reply 2: The Search for more Seething

>>719181087
*Everyone loves it. Even /v/ loved it until last week. These threads are just shazamfagging for attention.

>>719181423
I have been shitting on HK as a Metroidvania for 8 fucking years. I even like it a as a game it's just a shit Metroidvania

>>719181423
see>>719179623
I've always hated it because I hate every game that treats the player like a retard.

>>719181613
Really specific concession to make. Also feels like one of those complaints that comes from someone who isn't actually good enough to give that criticism.

>>719181613
Those are just words. "Metroidvania" is just a loose categorical term to describe a sidescroller with a mixture of combat and exploration.
If people are going to be autistic and decide a game has to be literally be Metroid to "fit", then I would rather abandon the term, and start calling them exploration platformers.
Games don't all have to be the same thing. That's a stupid way to approach creativity.
You literally offend me saying shit like that. Get out.

>>719181723
Well you are a retard if you think the game tutorializes you past the 5 minute optional tutorial at the start. So maybe they were right.

>>719182124
I surely hope you aren't saying the game being slow as piss and afraid of challenge past an hour and a half of gameplay isn't a tutorial and is just how the game is. that would be even worse lmao.

>>719162872 (OP)
Reddit loves HK, if anything that shit ass game doesn't belong on /v/ is quite literally a reddit tier game.

>>719175123
>>719174979
>he says while Hollow Knight fans have a crybaby meltdown anytime someone criticizes Hollow Knight, as evidenced by this thread

>>719182231
I really can't believe how RAPED you sound in every single post you make. I've played Control through to the ending and I fucking hated that game. But I couldn't summon the sheer ANAL GAPE that you can for a game you played for an hour. Like this fat bug dick really cored you the fuck out or something.

I really don't know if you even know how to form a legible thought. Saying, "If the first area (where you have no abilities or upgrades) is easy then it must be a tutorial." Makes me think you don't even know what you're saying. You're just spouting nonsense words. You're like a parakeet.
>If it's not the tutorial then that's even worse lol.
Not really. It's the first area. An hour in. You don't have any of the movement, the upgrades, anything really.
Did you even fight one boss or anything.

>>719174815
Literally every single time a Hollow Knight fan talks about the game, it's just them shit talking all of the other popular games in the genre

>>719182661
Reddit loves literally everything. That's how Reddit works. Whatever you're into, there will be a board, and it will probably have enforced positivity.
They also used to have racism and weird pervert boards, and probably still do if you care to go and scour for them

>>719181613
>I have been shitting on HK as a Metroidvania for 8 fucking years.
Cool life.

>>719182860
>>719182960
RAPED by HOLLOWBVLLS. Rent free.

>>719182860
Your criticisms don't hold water, and more often than not prove you haven't even played Metroid or Castlevania.
If you're going to pull the "pointless rewards for exploration" thing, I may point out how there are things you can do in SotN where the reward is a hotdog, or a weapon you wont use because it's weaker than what you have currently equipped.

>>719183005
Reddit died with fat people hate

>>719178606
"Contrarian" is just a meaningless term people throw out when they're upset someone has a different opinion from them. Even if it's "I like this very popular and beloved thing more than this other very popular thing"

It's actually a very /v/ thing to do, funnily enough. Accusing everyone else of being contrarian, accusing others of being "Redditors", the arbitrary use of the words >>719162872 (OP) "-tier" or "unironically"

>>719183071
>>719182948
>Dragonball Super rape/cuckmeme posting

Oh so that's what you people are.

>>719181980
Nobody needs your permission before criticizing a shitty game like Shallow Knight.

>>719183005
One thing is certain, an anon made a poll with Super metroid, SotN and HK, on /v/ super metroid and SotN were closely even, with HK lagging heavily behind, but on reddit HK had an overwhelming majority.

Hence, HK is a reddit game.

>>719183134
I've barely posted in this thread, faggot. Why am I not allowed to simply dislike Hollow Knight? Why am I not allowed to like SotN?

>>719183315
Always was. HK niggers are a bunch of mentally ill DARVO fags

I feel HK is very mediocre. It's large, that's it.

>>719183349
I don't give a shit about any of this Reddit or /v/ paranoia. I fucking hate Hollow Knight fans, period.

>>719162872 (OP)
Who cares? Let people enjoy things, you disingenuous faggot.

>>719183251
Even if you've scrunched it down to a funny little nub, bare of its meaning and fucked around in a way that benefits you, it won't stop dumb niggers from literally saying "Just because journos and millions of players like it doesn't mean that anyone would ever find it enjoyable." Which makes this effort to deconstruct a word with clear meaning pretty pointless.

>>719183474
>Let people enjoy things

Which Hollow Knight fans don't.

>>719182960
You think we're talking shit, because you have some emotional connection to the idea of specific games from your childhood being flawless and the best ever.
I like HK, because I was already a Metroid and Castlevania fan, and HK is just even better.
If you think that's shit talking, I dunno what to tell you. Am I talking shit about The Labyrinth if I say Lord of the Rings is better? Because it is better, and you would hope progression would happen within a medium. You would hate for The Labyrinth to be the peak of fantasy movies, unless you're some variety of weirdo.

>>719175657
Nobody cares about movies except trannies, and faggots.

>>719174815
why is it always super metroid trannies malding at hollow knight?

>>719183370
Why am I not allowed to say HK is better than SotN, when it demonstrably is?

>>719183345
Stop replying to other people's reply chains you ugly nigger.

>>719183315
>>719183381
I have a confession to make, I'm neither Indian nor Mexican nor have I ever watched DBZ or participated in those funny meme threads. But that should narrow it down for you to come up with some other boogeyman, just use your noggins and then keep bringing it up in future threads so I can laugh at you.

>>719183545
>specific games from your childhood

I played them for the first time very recently, you dumb motherfucker. Again why am I not allowed to like them more? Why am I forbidden from having personal preference by these fucking Hollow Knight fags, WHO ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TRYING TO *DEMAND* FROM EVERYONE ELSE THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGE HOLLO KNIGHT AS BEING FLAWLESS AND THE BEST EVER? To the extent that they're simply banned from preferring other games or thinking other fucking games are better than Hollow Knight? Huh, dumbfuck?

>>719183530
True. They've been getting kinda culty in the past few years. Just like a troon without it's HRT, a HK fan without a new game to play starts going crazy and attacking everything in sight.

>>719183349
You look at the guy who replied to you and tell me that this shit got 100% honest ballots with this level of derangement.

>>719183474
Hollow Knight fags are the ones always attacking others.

>>719183775
You can like whatever you like, but then don't come in here trying to start fights.
Saying Hollow Knight is a shitty zoomer reddit game or whatever the fuck, is clearly asking for a fight.
No, it's a good game, and your criticisms don't hold water.

>>719183629
>when it demonstrably is?

See? You're the one here actually trying to create some kind of declaration of law that demands that no one should have any favorite but Hollow Knight.

>>719183781
HK thread btw.

>>719183906
You deserve to be shit on, when you Hollow Knight fags are always the aggressors, incapable of accepting the fact that someone doesn't like the fucking game.

>>719183251
>denying that contrarianism exists
>on /v/
>in a thread about a game that /v/ was happy to sing praises about until it got popular off site

>>719184004
Hollow Knight fans were the initial contrarians then.

>>719183839
>>719183921
>>719183990
Stop crying because people won't validate your victim complex

>>719183921
I can intelligently articulate why I think SotN is pretty questionably designed overall, and have done so, and all you do is get mad.
Super Metroid admittedly is a lot better than SotN. Aria and Dawn of Sorrow are too, for that matter. But nobody is arguing about whether Hollow Knight is better than Dawn of Sorrow.

>>719183839
>>719183921
>>719183990
You guys really latch on to any random shit and just start spamming it en masse, don't you. Do you really think, "HOLLOW KNIGHT FANS ARE BULLIES AND STOLE MY LUNCH MONEY." is the angle you wanna work.

>>719183990
I have literally never seen this happen, unless you think people going "wow, this is even better than Metroid" is aggression. And that says more about you and your presumptions.

>>719183781
>>719183839
>>719183990

>>719184112
>entire thread exists because OP is upset one anon said something bad about Hollow Knight

>>719184231
And you came in to say that you're an even bigger victim, so big whoop.

>>719183906
"It's a 'it gets good after x hours I swear!" game just like every Pokemon from x/y up just like breath of the wild just like monster hunter wilds. like FUCK man I'm not retarded just let me get to the part where the game starts gamin'. though apparently hollow knight never actually picks up so fuck me lmao

>>719183839
I know, I'm agreeing with you.

>>719184206
Yea, Hollow Knight fans are belligerent dickheads always trying to sling shit at other games as the main way of advertising their game, and this thread goes to show that when even a little bit of criticism comes their way they can't handle it in return.

>>719183990
>I got bullied by HK fans and now I will take my revenge
Hollowbullybros... This is great...

>>719184297
I'm saying Hollow Knight fans are the bigger assholes, and are the original contrarians.

>>719162872 (OP)
Hollow Knight is just an overrated game

>>719184345
All I know is going back to Metroid games after playing HK felt a little limited. The whole time playing Dread I was like "sure, but where are the side bosses? Where is the challenging platforming?" I was kind of bored.
Am I allowed to think that, or are you in here fighting a holy war for Mercury Steam?

>>719184345
>>719184402
Clearly, this is revenge

>>719184331
I was fully absorbed from the get-go.

>>719184505
>he immediately resorts to shitting on others games as his only way of pushing Hollow Knight on others

>>719183837
Don't revision history, /v/ spoke, this is a super metroid/SotN board, reddit knight begone!

>>719184505
hollow knight sucks but dread super mega mondo fucking sucks. AMR2 and axiom verge were the last somewhat interesting games in the genre to come out.

>>719184608
>you are now not allowed to compare games, or it's bullying
Sir, this is a video game forum.
I'm literally a Metroid fan. I even beat regular Metroid 2, which you probably didn't.

A Hollow Knight fan really cannot talk about the game without saying "All other Metroidvanias are worse! Hollow Knight is better than them! Why isn't Hollow Knight your favorite?!"

>>719184561
I do not understand how. for like the first hour all you do is jump around in threadbare rooms, mash X on things, and stop to charge your J/O crystals if you somehow manage to get hit by the one slow moving retard enemy every other screen.

>>719184674
What I'm saying is that it's really the only trick you know. Make a thread about Metroid games, and no one will even talk about Hollow Knight.

>>719184698
I did't say it's necessarily the best ever. I said it was better than SotN and Super Metroid, and also Metroid Dread.
I'm not going to pretend I've played every game in this genre. Find me a better one. I will play it.

>>719184609
Really gonna hit me with that ESL special.

>>719184608
This is really delusional shit. It's not glass houses any more it's like everything is made of glass and you, as a single person, just keep provoking some guy to throw rocks in random directions.

>>719184402
Okay? So Hollow Knight fans are actual intelligencia and sophisticates and you're the Reddit niggers trying to shit on people with actual taste.

>>719184794
>Trick
What fucking trick? What are you being tricked into, liking a game?

>>719184815
Why isn't anyone allowed to say they like SotN or Super Metroid or Metroid Dread without you attacking them?

>>719184794
Okay, I don't talk about HK in Metroid threads either.
I talk about how they need to stop making us collect the morph ball and missiles in every game, because it's getting old.

>>719184727
Answer my question from earlier on if you even fought a boss you dumb nigger.

>>719184875
I like all three of those games. You have a strange victim complex.

>>719184846
This whole thread is about ONE screenshot of ONE post, because Hollow Knight fags are such a fucking cult that they can't accept that someone simply doesn't like Hollow Knight, or even that they like one of these other games more.

Hollow Knight fans absolutely are authoritarian minded cocksuckers

>>719184875
Usually when you intentionally draw comparisons to other things in order to disparage someone they have to draw those same comparisons and make the same disparagements.

>>719184846
Go back, hollow troon.

>>719184906
of course not, the game was far to afraid to stick a basic pattern recognition challenge in front of me until hour three. I obviously cut my costs way before then and got a refund.

>>719184965
But someone isn't allowed to have one of these other games as their favorite.

>>719184990
Have you tried not liking it without calling all of the fans retarded babies who haven't played Super Metroid?
You can just say you don't like the cute characters, and I'll get it. I love the cute characters, personally.

>>719185056
Bro, you could have Bubsy as your favourite game, and I'd respect you more than I do for doing this bitch-baby shit you're doing.

>>719185082
and you are allowed to say the cute graphics is the only redeeming feature and you're perfectly happy to play a bland game as long as it's pretty and well marketed

>>719185082
>Have you tried not liking it without calling all of the fans retarded babies who haven't played Super Metroid?

Which I have never done. Again, this is about other people simply liking different games more than Hollow Knight.

>>719184990
This is pretty delusional. I mean you guys are the ones who can't accept it. Half these posts say the same thing, after all.
>HOW IS THIS GAME POPULAR?
A literal rejection of reality. The refusal to accept that this is the truth. Then when someone tells you to stop being a fag you just keep posting in this thread for hours instead of simply coming to the conclusion, "I don't care about this game." Instead you're in here with a victim complex crying about how you're not allowed to have an opinion or that other people's opinions are too mean.

>>719185140
It's one of various redeeming features. I also like the structure of the game, I like how big and meandering it is. I like how the platforming is real platforming. I like how the bosses are tough. I like how there are straight up optional side areas and bosses. I like the sound design. I like the NPC quests.

>>719185210
>>719185138
All the poster in the OP said is "I don't understand why this game is getting so much praise"

And the reaction is "THIS IS EVIL CONTRARIANISM HOW FUCKING DARE THEY THIS IS A FUCKING SIN THIS IS A AN ISSUE WE MUST PUT TO AN END"

>>719185021
>Actually got filtered by a 30 minute long starter area with literal one path to leave
>Bumping the time you spent playing the game up to 3 hours
>"refund"
My fucking sides.

>>719185269
You faggots really overexaggerate this game as some sort of hardcore "le git gud" soulslike. Give me a fucking break.

>>719185306
It's better than SotN tho

>>719185269
>big and meandering
you mean time wasting. maybe the bosses were sick, i'll never know because the other 90% of the game is a soul sucking time dump of holding a direction.

>>719185383
It's harder than Metroid or most of the Castlevania series. Maybe not Order of Ecclesia, which might be my favourite one. I like games that make me earn my wins. Am I allowed that?

>>719185332
>illiterate can't into implications
>is the one who is elastic with sense of time
>is the one happy to piss away time with a babby game and then has to rationalize it because small ego
shiggy
my
diggy

>>719185306
>THIS IS EVIL CONTRARIANISM HOW FUCKING DARE THEY THIS IS A FUCKING SIN THIS IS A AN ISSUE WE MUST PUT TO AN END
Wow cool tell us more about the fanfiction you've made up in your head

>>719185393
>hehe, well I think it's boring so-
I don't agree.
Lots of people don't agree, considering it's a very popular game. Dunno what to tell you, chief. Maybe you don't like exploration.

>>719185449
>Am I allowed that?

Obviously yes. You're the only one allowed to like things, because Hollow Knight fans will aggressively attack anyone with a different taste. In fact, you're the ONLY one allowed to like things.

>>719185306
Which is the truth. The bare truth. People make posts like those every day about a lot of different games, and the sole purpose is to simply inject into the discourse, "This game is bad." But to take a step further and go, "This game is SO bad that NOBODY should be allowed to like it."

The OP is a commensurate response, honestly.

Now this is a fuckin meltdown

>>719185532
stop being a bitch.

>>719185510
It's literally the OP. Meanwhile Hollow Knight fans themselves have been doing the "STOP PREFERRING OTHER GAMES" bullshit for far longer

>>719185530
you are correct, I hate "exploration" in games because getting trickle fed game mechanics I've seen a million times over in a million other games actually fucking sucks.

>>719185306
You know the archive exists, dumbass

>>719185613
Then you don't like Metroid.

>>719185613
It's the cinematic bullshit style of exploration in Hollow Knight

>>719185660
Yes, so there's more proof of Hollow Knight fans being the aggressors and forbidding anyone else from being lukewarm on the game.

>>719185668
incorrect, I do. I also shilled for AM2R and axiom verge earlier because they actually do interesting stuff and respect your time with their pacing and density. you can fuck yourself.

Hollow trannies get the rope.

>>719185602
>anon confuses his delusions for reality

>>719185496
This isn't a fucking book report little chuddy. I'm not reading in between the lions (on pbs) about how you actually secretly want to fucking suck some big cock.
If I ask you if you fought a boss and you say "no" plainly, when I know for an absolute fact that you could get past the tutorial and just walk to the boss in 2 minutes. And that there isn't ENOUGH content available game-start to spend 3 hours doing fuck-all in the starter area. I'm going to make fun of you.

>>719185761
NOOOO HOW DARE YOU PREFER A GAME THAT ISN'T HOLLOW KNIGHT

>>719185783
>greater issue
>rampant contrarianism

>it's just one post, when there are many more of Hollow Knights attacking everyone else to tell them to stop preferring other games

>>719185795
the tutorial that is an hour of holding forward, occasionally interspersed with tapping jump or attack. one of us is being disingenuous and I guess we'll just never be able to figure out who!

>>719165090
maybe if the criticism was something more elaborate than "it's shit/it's overrated" you'd have a point

>>719165090
Pretty much.

>>719185967
well my very specific criticism of "I tried it and it was boring as fuck for an hour I'm good" was met with YOU DIDNT GET TO THE GOOD PART as predicted so lol

>>719162872 (OP)
OPs pick is my opinion.
Tried it, wasn't impressed.
There is other 2d games I enjoyed more to be honest. But I don't see redditards drooling over.

>>719185920
And the truth is the bosses and the meatboy spikes aren't all that challenging or interesting either. They really oversell that aspect.

>>719185917
>>719185806
>>719185984
You're not a victim, anon.

>>719186092
I didn't figure they could be because that would be an insane difficulty spike which would make the game unmarketable

>>719185920
I mean it's absolutely the guy who played a game for 1 hour, didn't even make it to the first boss, and then made a blood pact with the biggest HIV ridden fags on this site (rip to that furry diaperfag) to fight to the death over it. You aren't even worth chatting with over the quality of the game and yet you persist as a little worm with a stick up its ass. With the only recourse you have being, "You expect me to PLAY a game? How do I have the free time?" When you've been here for an hour doing nothing but shitpost.

>>719186142
i also dislike the fact that my method of sustainment is dedicating 6 to 8 hours of my life a day being compelled to do nothing but stay alert and attentive. I too have great remorse that my free time is readily filled by shit posting but not something more distracting like video games. were I to have the time I wished for, I still wouldn't waste it forcing myself to play things that aren't mechanically engaging, even if they're very pretty. eat shit and die.

>>719186078
Hollow Knight is good if you beat it and never play it again. But it's awful to replay.

>>719186332
see I almost universally dislike games like that because I have played too many video games. if it's not doing something wacky and new and letting me rip right from the get go I do not see the point.

>>719186135
Stop accruing pointless happenstance third-party muttered from the gutter "knowledge" about some shit as if it'll help you win arguments about nothing.

>>719186294
You still did nothing but sit here and shit your pants for an entire hour longer than you played the game. So I guess, hey. The game did waste more of your life. And I hope I see you in another thread so I can know you just keep wasting more and more of your time. I hope that you remember this when you die.

>>719186405
I'm just calling out OP on his bullshit. One screencap of one post

>>719186404
I'm sorry that someone saying your favorite game is boring hurts you so much. that's me being facetious by the way I love that you get so butthurt about it. go suck an exhaust port.

>>719186404
Hollow Knight fans would demand that others be forced to play the game even if they don't like it, even if they prefer another game more.

>>719186536
>>719186451
Anon, you're not a victim.

>>719163950
Exploration feels extremely unrewarding. Right down to actual traversal and collectibles. I think the combat and the boss fights are okay, but this whole subgenre isn't really about the combat. I don't think the map is good either. Don't hate the game but it's annoying that HK became kind of this new face of metroidvania for people who clearly have never played much of the better examples. Not even in an elitist type of way, but I just can't wrap my head around how anyone can find this game to be a 9/10 when it's more like a 6/10 on any reasonable rating that isn't IGN 9/10 or it sucks ass.

>>719186451
You know now that I actually think about it, your pivot into crying about bullying is pretty funny when the OP basically doesn't say any of that.
>>719186536
Like damn you're mindbroken.

>>719186492
Not really. I mean what about me saying, "Your opinion is pretty much valueless." implies that I'd be particularly hurt. The more you go on about how disconnected you are from everything, the less value it has, honestly. The fact you even sat around for an hour when nobody replied to you was pretty funny.

>>719186605
Look at OP

>>719186692
>full personal attack mode
>still elastic with sense of time
>conflating multiple posters as one
yikes

>>719186676
Because the Hollow Knight fandom is a cult

>>719183990
It's just objectively a good game
cool vibe
fun boss fights
fun platforming
fun exploration
not super long
all the truly difficult stuff is optional
do you really expect people who actually played through it to hear you go "BUT I DIDN'T LIKE IT ITS BORING" and go wow... yeah it must be overrated if that Anon who quit after 45 minutes disagrees with the vast majority of people who finished the game? Get a fucking grip, mate

>>719186886
>vast majority
I wonder about that

>>719186886
Someone can not like it, and that's a sin to you.
Someone can prefer other objectively good games and have them as their favorites instead, and that's still a sin to you.

>>719186998
As if anybody is fucking allowed to say anything bad about Hollow Knight to begin with.

>>719186676
So, which games are better?
Surprise me and say something that isn't SotN or Super Metroid.

>>719187074
>SotN or Super Metroid
>picks out the two most popular games to shit on, to garner attention for Hollow Knight

Contrarian.