Thread 719169491

Something occurred to me recently. Why does even gacha have deeper and more complex gameplay than RPGs? Are RPGs the most casual genre?

>>719169491 (OP)
>Why does even gacha have deeper and more complex gameplay than RPGs
It's an incredibly low bar. Watching paint dry in more mentally demanding than playing pretty much any highly praised CRPG. And this isn't even getting into slop like Diablo.

Gachas need to appear complex in order to convince the player that they are winning due to their deep understanding of the system, instead of just winning because their paid jpeg has higher numbers than the free jpeg. And also to trick the player into thinking they need a collection of different jpegs for different situations.

I hope you're not talking about the gacha webmrelated because it's just rng on top of rng on top of rng on top of rng, and it's p2w as fuck

>>719169917
>Gachas need to appear complex
I don't think it's purely appearances. Give this a look.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11X2P7pLuh-k9E7PhRiD20nDX22rNWtCpC1S4IMx_8pQ
This is an objectively more complex system with more modularity and strategic purpose than, say, feat stacking in PF WotR or Underrail. If you're saying developers have to make a game of high quality to sell a product, well I wish, but obviously the existence of RPGs is evidence contrary to that. Like FF7 is basically one long netflix movie padded out with poorly made minigames. It's quite shit.

>>719170559
Have you tried not being a brainlet? Determinism makes for poor gameplay, as it leads to games being solved instead of won.

>>719169491 (OP)
>Are RPGs the most casual genre?
Yes. I would argue they aren't video games at all.

>>719170559
Uma Musume is an otaku hood classic, buddy.

>>719170682
Uma Musume is basically the perfect example; it's "complex" enough that someone wrote a 136-page document explaining all the nuances, but a fully upgraded Kitasan Black gives enough raw speed to satisfy the scenario requirements on her own.
There's a huge amount of stats/abilities/systems, but in the end it really boils down to a game of just "is number big enough"

>>719170803
>just pull the right cards bro
>just get the right hints bro
>just win all the G1 races bro
>just inherit all the white sparks bro
>just get 3* stam as well bro
>just get triple rainbows bro
>just don't get night owl'd bro
>just get S bro
>just don't get late start bro
>just have all your skills activate bro

>>719171516
>in the end it really boils down to a game of just "is number big enough"
It's fairly trivial to hit stat caps in the game. This is another problem with WotR and Underrail and Diablo and so on, the numbers go up endlessly so there's few restrictions to work within. Like imagine someone pouring water. If it doesn't land in a container, well it's just a shitty puddle. However, in Uma Musume the bulk of benefits are from skills, not only can they decrease your opponent's hard capped stat values, but they also offer certain personal advantages on the track, can be strategically synergistic, and give you a ton of bonus points in and of themselves for activating. Furthermore, kitasan is lauded because it *frees* up a slot for other cards, as it functions as two speed cards. So you could, say, put a wit card in your deck instead, which will not only boost your skill activation bonuses, but also improve your training overall by making tapping wit restore more energy.

>>719171779
Yes, all these conditional circumstances add depth, as no one can reasonably hit all of them in a limited amount of time, especially not on a team of 15 characters, which additionally requires legacy horses in its construction. The best they can do is work with what they've got, making the challenge dynamic and replayable.

>>719171779
>just get great mood bro
>just don't get tissues bro
>just get fast learner bro
>just get charming bro
>just don't get brocked bro

>>719172001
I love mahiro...

Yeah slot machines have such deep gameplay.

this is a secret uma thread

>>719169491 (OP)
This is all true. Mods should delete reoccuring rpg threads and send them to >>>/vrpg/ where they belong.

>>719169887
they need to have oguri cap's first song she danced to in cinderella gray on the jukebox

>>719172556
My jukebox is just someone selecting the bakushin song over and over

>>719172337
What's wrong with uma threads? Uma is a video game and this is a video game board.

>>719169491 (OP)
Because you haven't played real games in your life.

>>719173202
I like these games. What *real* games should I play? Clearly my knowledge is lacking.

>>719169491 (OP)
You know what? You're actually right. It's genuinely concerning that you can openly shit on RPGs like this and despite the catalog being constantly spammed with threads on them, not a single person can put up a decent fight. Maybe this place is going in the wrong direction.

Look at the excellent discussion in this thread that has been made over 200 days in a row >>719173192

Because it definitely takes the better half of a year to play BG2.

>>719169491 (OP)
>Are RPGs the most casual genre?
yes, especially any >attack/defend/item slop banking on dragon quest nostalgia

Another extremely high quality RPG thread that gets made every single day for years on end
>>719172294
This one is so big brained they've ceased communicating with words. Thank goodness the janitor has heroically protected such high quality discussion.

>>719169491 (OP)
More like trooncend haha

>>719169917
What if you actually overvalued the complexity of your own games while undervaluing the complexity of others in error

>>719167687

Another totally organic rpg thread that gets made every single day.

>>719169491 (OP)
Gacha need more complex mechanics than the average RPG, because they need to push those for their newest meta waifu PvP monster so people will pay a gazillion dollars for their ingenuity. You won't get that if it was just "one extra attack to your chain" or "you can press to dodge mid attack chain". The more PvP there is, the more synergy the devs also have to include to make some whale lineups work even better with each other until someone else can be slotted in thanks to their more bullshit skills than what the previous meta monster had.

>>719177437
This is actually a bit funny to me, because tabletop does exactly this to sell more books and figs, and often times what we get in CRPGs is just a watered down version of feature bloat.

>>719169491 (OP)
Because gacha makes more money than normal games. Hence everything becomes gacha.

>>719177605
I hope that it becomes more common for RPGs in the future to have really good extra skills you can obtain, even if it would lock you out of some other route with their own kind of special bullshit.

>>719178151
I don't, no dnd crpg should ever go over level 10.

>>719169491 (OP)
This board is full of a deep ressentiment for games due to tourist casuals migrating here in 2016. Every time someone is screeching about how video games are bad now, culture war drama, or incredibly cringe console slop threads its always someone who's obsessed with RPGs. They are a nitwit's ambrosia.

Hey, its yet another top notch super high quality RPG thread that's been made every single day for the last 10 years.
>>719177858

>>719173202
What games do you play, anon?

>>719179856
lmao this is incredibly grim, why is this shit allowed

>>719169491 (OP)
I have never seen a good RPG thread on /v/ in the entire 2 decades I've been here.

>>719172320
Isn't looting a corpse the same exact thing as pulling in gacha

>>719171779
Sounds like a (You) problem.
If your opponents can do it, why can't you?

>>719169491 (OP)
I'm not playing the chinkslop no matter how many shill threads you make.

>>719182925
>chinkslop
This game is Japanese, newgirl. The "chinkslops" are allowed to stay up undisturbed.

>>719169887
Cap... as in peak

When is the new event supposed to drop?

>>719183936
Tomorrow

>>719170559
>rng on top of rng on top of rng on top of rng,
Unfortunately that’s exactly what I like about it.

>>719181630
Now there's 2, the other thread wasn't getting enough attention so it also needs a dumb thread will everyone will reply in the same exact manner they did the last 100 times. Surely a third one will be totally acceptable. Keep em coming.

>>719185539
What about a 9 hour old /v/hu thread? Now that's what I call video games.
>>719151618

>>719185839
Let's find out if they play games

>>719186427
Apparently no

I've never seen a janitor this dedicated to seething over harmless meaningless horse threads. His shift is well over 9-5. He is doing it for the love of the game

>>719187994
this is beyond a regular janny melty
this is a personal grudge now

Does clicking on a shiny +100 button count as gameplay?

>>719188097
Who will win? I can't really see who is more autistic and dedicated, us or him

puffy fortune

>>719188217
no matter who wins, the internet janitor that does it for free always loses
hell atleast discord and twitch mods get to flex their stupid status, 4chan jannies work anonymously for a jap celebrity that doesn't give two shits about this site and even less about them.

>>719171516
For career mode yes but when it comes to PvP it's pure spreadsheet autism

>>719188287
Shiraoki-sama did NOT say to wear that

>>719188217
He is completely incapable of actually doing anything. He deletes the thread and issues warnings to everyone? People make fun of him and continue discussion in the next thread. Just laugh at the hall monitor and keep walking

I guess Im gonna use Rudolf to slap Teio around for all nine legend races

>>719188441
Yeah but I actually really enjoy these threads and it sucks that discussion gets constantly cut off
>>719188695
Honestly if he keeps doing this I assume many people will leave since it's a pain in the ass to get cut off and then try and find the next stealth thread

>gacha thread that's just a softcore porn dump?
>looks good to me
>gacha thread where people are actually playing the game?
>DELETE THIS

>>719189320
It's just an unexplainable personal hateboner, it's not even about enforcing the rules

>>719188661
Shiraoki-sama said that today's symbol of fortune is the rabbit. And curiously he said that with a voice that sounded very much like my own...

This is embarrassing

>>719188125
the gameplay was getting there
pressing that button is more of a... victory lap.

nichibros at home:

>>719189320
there's no gameplay posts in any of these threads
gameplay posting is for shills anyway

Yet another high quality janny approved thread
>>719182813

>>719189930
>gameplay posting is for shills anyway
wow this post sure is something

Around 10 threads or more got deleted or autosaged today.

Wait
is this thread just a gachafag butthurt that his thread is being deleted by the jannie?
That's sad dude, weird to try and go bitch at rpgs instead of complaining about the jannies.

Also, 99% of gacha ARE rpgs so your point is moot.

>>719190384
we live in a clown world

>>719190384
probably the biggest daily tantrum he's thrown yet
I hope this means we are getting under his skin and wearing him down. Won't be satisfied with anything less than total ego death

>>719190385
>Also, 99% of gacha ARE rpgs so your point is moot
This one isn't. In fact it's the only one that isn't.

>>719187721
Another excellent janny approved thread.

I'm begging you, difficult pronunciation uma, please don't fuck this up.

>Gachafags seething that they are being targeted
The Janny is the enemy of all of /v/ not just you. There is a reason this site is so slow and so shit now.

>>719190510
It's never been this bad

>>719190850
it's over unless she starts in gate 7

>>719190539
>this one
I don't even know what the fuck gacha you're talking about dude, you just said "gacha" in general in the OP.

>>719190850
>he still believes the green devil's predictions

>>719190385
Nah rpgs suck dude

>>719190903
All other gacha, porn threads, AI generals, political garbage and the rest of rulebreaking posts don't get as targeted as ours, in fact, barely at all

>>719190961
Well anon, mentioning the name of it in the OP gets the thread deleted within minutes.

>>719191013
Again, 99% of gacha are RPG or action RPGs, so your comparison doesn't make sense.

>>719191089
Ok? Your enemies are the jannies, not sure what that has to do with RPGs.
>but casual game
VN threads don't get deleted either and those 100% not games.

>>719191046
That's the strategy. Let shitposters break every rule there is, and persecute actual organic on-topic discussion. It's all part of a plan to slowly kill the site's userbase without having to overtly shut the site down.

>she won the Hopeful Stakes but lost the Satsuki Sho
IT'S OVER

SHIRAOKI-SAMA SAVE ME

>>719191189
The janitors are the ones spamming the rpg threads. /vrpg/ has a militant janny that makes the same exact threads you'll find on /v/ every single day. It's just bad moderation turning the boards into their personal playground, see abib flooding /v/ with smash shit.

>>719190384
Why am i doomed to enjoy games that are hated by jannies on this board?
First it was lobcorp and ruina during the cultural phenomenon shit where I'd make fake smash stealth threads, now this.

>>719191361
Why does everyone glaze the fuck out of Hopeful Stakes so much?

Could this work well as a parent for gemini cup? Not sure what I'm supposed to be doing, but Oguri won 17 G1 races.

>>719190850
I should really do a mtknfkktr career where I watch every race with commentators on.

>>719191951
Has a good white spark and winning enough of the same races helps with breeding affinity.

Cun Turbo when

>>719192012
>7 Stamina 6 Ura Finale 5 Long
Yeah that's probably good

>>719191951
Hopeful Stakes is one of the first things on the list if you're routing G1 races for parent affinity and sparks. It's not a complete deal breaker if you lose, but it sucks to see things go awry that early on.

>>719192275
when's that banner where you can just select any uma you want at pity?

>>719192212
sweaty creature

>>719191046
If your thread has very active organic discussion and it's constantly on the catalog beyond the "release hype" jannies are instructed to view them as generals and delete them. It's a feature of the moderation designed to keep things "fresh" in theory. But in practice of course this leads to useless troons desperate for power to police the board into what they like and delete what they don't like. Which is where you get the hypocrisy of off-topic /pol/bait and porn threads staying up for days being bumped by the jannies themselves when they are on page 9 while any good threads that pick up steam are killed.

There is no reasoning with these retarded jannies, they're dedicated to keep the site bleeding users. You got two options go to /vg/ or keep hiding like jews under floorboards until they give up, I don't blame you for either. 4chan has been utter shit since gamergate but after the shutdown it truly has become unusable. Jannies are killing the site, I understand your pain gachafag, know that at least your girls are hot and I coom to them.

>>719192382
It's the second smart falcon so Jan-Feb

>>719192012
>Oguri won 17 G1 races.
The only races that grant additional affinity are those which have been won by both the child uma and their parents.
Assuming an O affinity, this parent alone grants you a 17.5% chance of triggering a Long spark and a 7.5% chance of triggering a Turf spark during an Inspiration event, which is pretty good.

>>719190384
that hijack of (crossover with?) the sloppa thread a few days ago was funny

>>719192520
That's been a recurring thing, I don't think Uma is the first to do it.

GEMINI CUP TRAINING IS SO ASS

>>719192507
>instructed to view them as generals and delete them
Except AI generals and others because they coom in them, Uma threads are some of the most fun I've had in years on /v/ and everyone there is helping with builds, breeding and making tournaments among each other. It's literally the "perfect" thread

>>719190384
sounds based? this game wasn't meant for whites and/or redditors

>>719192516
Thanks, very helpful, I'll keep this in mind when training.

Does it matter how much you dump into a stat when spark farming or is it just hit 600 and pray to the three godesses

>>719193270
The chance goes up when it's higher

>>719193270
<600 = 90% for 1*, 10% for 2*
>600, <1100 = 50% for 1*, 45% for 2*, 5% for 3*
>1100 = 20% for 1*, 70% for 2*, 10% for 3*

why is matikanefukukitaru a good parent foe gemini cup?

>>719193545
>>1100 = 20% for 1*, 70% for 2*, 10% for 3*
im glad i can only do 3 careers per day

>>719193270
Getting it super high helps, but not by as much as you'd like.

>>719193737
Less for Gemini and more for the upcoming Xmas Oguri who is supposed to be broken and wants stam recovery skills like Matefucker's triple 7s

if you're a real machikanefukukitaru fan i better see you running her as your ace with super lucky 7 in the next CM

>>719193737
Fewer a-rank aptitudes makes it easier to get a spark for the one you want (long).

>>719169491 (OP)
>remake is cringe and gay

>>719174592
>>719176771
>>719185539
Holy shit this is so bad, why are they like this?

>>719172001
Come post on NeoGaf, your posts deserve better than this.

>>719192146
>>719192361
Wait, what's this about races and sparks? Is this just more for trying to get the sparks for a particular race length?

>>719169491 (OP)
RPGs are just like every other genre, there is good and there is bad, but there is a lot of weirdos and retards that float this genre, which is kinda sad but its a genre for people who don't have social life.

Also i noticed a thing with CRPGs, it attracts people who think more is good, CRPG fans think the bigger wall of text you have that means your story is deep, the more brown and grimdark the world looks that means its mature, the more serious and grounded the tone is that means the game is le immersive
CRPG fans think that the more feats and skill you do and the more builds you can make the more depth gameplay is, which is false.
They think the more unbalanced and poorly designed the encounter is the better and more hardcore it is.

It wasn't like this before, i dont know what happened.

JRPG fans are not much better either they are just less pretentious

>>719194760
I like the new one more

>>719195316
An uma winning the same graded races as their parent(s) will increase the affinity per race when that uma is used as a legacy themselves. This is later changed to only count G1s at an increased rate, so it's most efficient to just do G1s.

Winning a G1 or the URA finale can also give you a unique white spark named after that specific race, which are either stat boosts or skill hints.

>>719196462
>get a 1* spark for a race that gives guts
>it procs in inspiration
>guts+1
T-thanks.

This is probably the best i can accomplish
>inb4 not enough stamina
i really tried but fucking mcqueen gave me deep breaths and i had +40 in speed in the last turn vs +19 stamina
At least i have standard distance which should put me in 1100 stam

>>719196374
Now there's a third one

>>719197173
>negative hp
I'm sorry bro, should have clicked that +19 stam instead.

>>719197173
Wait fuck ignore me, I looked at the wrong colour. You do have enough stam. It's pretty close though, if you meet any stamina eaters it's not going to be pretty.

>>719197173
I'll make sure to bring two debuffers and target end closers!

>>719182925
>Chinese
Anon it's Japanese. Watch the Anime and play the game, you will now what we mean.

when do I get to breed her

>>719190384
You have to post in Afternoon American hours.

>>719197173
>No Straightaway Spurt
Back to the mines.

>>719197173
the best I can is 900

>>719196462
What the fuck. I'd learn so much about this game if a certain faggot janny wasn't constantly deleting discussion.

>>719198252
When I'm done with her.

>>719198252
When you steal her hat and blackmail her

>>719198260
So what timezone is janny? India?

>>719196462
I don't think this is in the game yet anon

>>719198728
>>719198804
is it true what they say about her?

>>719199729
yes

Janny finally fell asleep huh?

>>719201383
everyone' is over at the other thread, titiki shuckle

>>719190385
>weird to try and go bitch at rpgs instead of complaining about the jannies.
Fuck off, making fun of jannies is a time honored tradition in /v/