Thread 719941027

FF1: A group of adventurers restore the power of four elemental orbs and close an infinite time loop.

FF2: A group of survivors of an Imperial attack join a resistance movement and kill the Emperor, only to face him once more as the King of Hell

FF3: A group of youths chosen by crystals set out to restore balance to a world on the brink of destruction

FF4: A conflicted knight and his entourage uncover a conspiracy to steal the world's crystals and discover an ancient civilization on the moon.

FF5: A world is temporally split to seal an ancient evil who begins their plan to reduce everything to non-existence, when a group of adventurers restore the state of the planet.

FF6: A meglomaniacal psychopath throws the balance of magic out of place, scars the planet, and forces a resistance group to destroy the source of all magic.

FF7: An eco-terrorist group tracks the spectre of a former elite soldier under the influence of an ancient space alien who intends to absorb the 'blood' of the planet by summoning a giant meteor.

FF8: A powerful sorceress attempts to cheat fate by compressing time into one moment using the unique abilities of a girl who can project people into the past when she is killed by a group of child soldiers who only became soldiers because of her actions.

FF9: Two Angels of Death are sent to a world to harvest souls to revitalize their dying world. One of the Angels gets amnesia, and saves the world because he wants to bone a 16-year-old princess. Everyone has an existential crisis.

FF10: A dream manifests itself as a blonde fuccboi and encourages a spiritual mortician to end a cycle of violence on the world.

The OG Moviegame Franchise

You want me to continue OP?

FF12: Literally it's the first Star Wars movie, you team up with Han Solo and Chewbacca to fly into the evil empire's base and defeat them

FF13: People are enslaved by God and given tasks, if you don't do them you turn into a monster, but even if you do you turn into a fucking crystal, so you kill God to stop this

FF15: Bruh I don't even know... Noctis is trying to marry his wife Lunafreya but the evil empire takes over and it's controlled by this dude in a fedora

FF16: There is a slave class of people kept under control by giant crystals, and different empires control the crystals so you have to defeat them, also there's this Ultima guy who gives you headaches so you kill him too

>>719941276
FF got tired of subtlety after VI and just went full anime theater with every installment. Didn't even try to hide the movie envy anymore. By the time you hit XV it's like someone watched a Fast & Furious marathon, got sad about friendship, and dropped a fantasy filter over it. Still, somehow, they make it work.

>>719941478
Not sure it's workin' out anymore. They've been in their remake/remaster phase for a decade now. Rebirth sold like ass. XIV was the only thing keeping them fiscally afloat, key word being "was".
All they've got left is Dragon Quest XII, which despite being the most generic, copy-pasted franchise with zero ingenuity or effort behind any of its technical or creative elements, is taking fifteen years to release. And Spirits Within 2. Which hopefully tanks them for good, cause holy shit I can not think of a company (and their fanbase) that have done more harm to the medium.
Fuck it, they'll probably surprise announce Final Fantasy X made in UE5 and that'll sell 30,000,000 units in 24 hours despite Tidus being bogged and Lulu looking like a ghoul.

Full disclosure, I don't even care about FF having 10-20 hours of cutscenes/dialogue, I just wish the gameplay inbetween was actually worth a damn. And maybe, JUST MAYBE, the player having some involvement in the story/world. You know, like an RPG.
How the fuck is this series not considered a visual novel? It's got the gameplay of a big budget WEG. Shit, even the animations and visuals are just as janky nowadays.

>>719942073
ask me how I know you were born after the millennium

And that's why 9 is the best. Always will a hottie bring balance

>>719942073
I hope e33 wakes them up and they make FFs like they used to make in the 90s

>>719941398
Wouldn't 13 be more like :
-The Pope summons the demiurge to eventually summon God, the demiurge enslaves some unlucky few that eventually kill both the Pope and the Demiurge.

>>719941398
>he didn't comprehend the basic plot of ffxiii

>>719942073
Refrain from posting such a disgusting image. It gives me zero insentive to read your post.

>>719943160
Except when she doesn't

>>719943502
Dick science isn't exactly hard science

>>719941478
To me, it just seems like they dropped all the fun stuff and worlds that made Final Fantasy interesting. I didn't like XII cause the plot and world are generic, but I can at least appreciate how much effort went into the offline MMO experience and the hunts and all that shit. But XIII completely got rid of everything. Maybe the world is interesting, I have no idea because I just walk down a hallway while these retards just whine. And any of the interesting shit about the world is hid in the data log thing instead of actually being part of the damn game.

Like, FF X is linear too, but it feels like an actual world. An interesting one at that. And you get to see actual parts of it unlike XIII. They didn't have to put a sports mini game and subplot in, but they did to try and help bring Spira to life. Or in VI, the second half you explore how the world has changed because you went all across it before Kefka blew it to shit. You get to see first hand how it changed societies and your party members. (More RPGs should try the half linear half open world approach as an aside.) Or just stupid fun things like the secret affection thing in VII or X. They cut all the fun shit out in XIII.

From what I understand XV is even worse but I haven't played it. XVI actually slightly interested me because it's an action RPG but nothing about the setting or plot stands out like Midgar or Spira. FF post-XII is probably the clearest example of losing SOVL I can think of in vidya. Maybe I'm biased because Square used to be my favorite dev but they're probably my most hated dev now.

>>719943630
And forgot to add while I'm sperging, I don't know why they stopped looking at different cultures for inspiration like they did with X. Spira still looks interesting for an RPG setting and you can see the polonysian or however the fuck it's spelled influence but Spira is still it's own world.

>>719941027 (OP)
FF3 should be "A Trio of Sorcerers is betrayed, and two of them decide to seal away then evil ambitions of the third sorcerer, who intends to summon a Dark Cloud from a paralell world to destroy all light."

>>719943630
I don't pretend XV and XVI are better than the rest but you are just butthurt because it is now not turn-based anymore.
>FFX feels like actual world.
>I didn't like XII cause the plot and world are generic.
Eat shit and kys.

>>719943404
Or the basic plot of FFXII. It’s hidden gods control history through puppets and your party eventually wants to stop them.

>>719941398
>Literally it's the first Star Wars movie
I don't remember the part in Star Wars where gods offer Leia her own death star laser cannon so she can blow up Coruscant.

>>719943630
>XII
>generic
I doubt you even played it past the tomb of raithwall. The only game with a similar plot is FF2

>>719945792
I don't care if the combat is turn based or not, I liked XII's combat. I just didn't like it enough to play through medieval Star Wars more than once. I don't think it's a bad game, just the cracks in Square were staring to show.

>>719946212
TL note: playthrough means dropping the game when it got open world.

>>719941398
>Literally it's the first Star Wars movie
>he didn't into based Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress
Shamefur Dispray

>>719946352
I dropped FFXIII shortly after this.
Not because I have a problem with mothers being strong for their children. No, it was because the gameplay sucked, and the story was leaning into anime contrivance.

>>719942073
>Which hopefully tanks them for good, cause holy shit I can not think of a company (and their fanbase) that have done more harm to the medium.
Capcom
The answer is always Capcom

>>719946521
FFXIII does suck. Nice art and a good skeleton of a battle system but it was crippled by no direct control over positioning

I like how they gaslit millennials into parroting that the midge fest 9 is for the classic fans

which FF is the closest to Deltarune?

>>719946954
Shitty, overrated, somehow deludes people into enjoying it anyway? Gotta be FF7, maybe FF11

>>719946352
Why do you like XII's plot so much? There's interesting things in it, but they feel like Matsuno's finger prints left over before he had his nervous breakdown and then got changed or never went anywhere. I get why people like the gameplay and I do like the gambit system, but XII's Ivaliace just seemed like an MMO overworld. Save Basch and Balthier I didn't really care for the party besides Fran being hot. Gabranth and Doctor Cid were cool too but that wasn't enough to carry the story for me.

>>719946954
>The game begins with a voice prompting the player to create an avatar, but the "vessel" is ultimately discarded, as "no one can choose who they are in this world". Instead, the player is given control of human teenager Kris, who arrives to school late.

>>719946954
I haven't played Deltarune, but VI was the (pixel) FF which by far focused the most on the story and the characters.
So I guess that?

>>719941027 (OP)
>>719941398
> non-subtle 5th gen fanboy

>>719941478
>went full anime theater
That began with VI, arguably IV

>>719942073
You don't play FF games asswipe, sit the fuck down.

>>719941027 (OP)
ff6 is the most overrated game in the series. the "actually ff6 is le better game" fags love to fellate themselves over this dog shit game that gets handily beaten out by ff4 and ff5 in the 2d world and by half a dozen 3d games

i could barely find the drive to beat ff6. way overrated game that shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as ff4 let alone ff7-ff10

You know what's bullshit? Cloud's living situation in Advent Children. I've passively sold many All materia. Cloud should be rich as fuck and living in the coolest house.

>>719947414
>posts the only good FF in the last 15 years and it's actually made by a different (and better) company all together

>>719947480
Yeah, I love FF5. It was a mistake to play the PR's in order. Ending with 6 was such a letdown after years of hearing that it was even better than FF7.

>>719947414
Nah, more like the localized stories got more complicated in 5th gen.
>Complicated doesnt mean good
I wasn't arguing that, fucktards.
>anticipating responses and responding to them
I equipped my pre-emptive materia, cunt.

>>719947492
He hates himself thoughbeit for "letting" Aeris die
He's punishing himself with low living standards
I did this too when my mom died

>>719947124
Why would I talk about the plot with someone who speaks in buzzwords and either didn’t finish the game or skipped all the cutscenes? Like how can yo call Ivalice an MMO overworld when it has the most NPCs and reactivity of any FF game? Those NPCs will change dialogue multiple time based on plot progression, side quests and hunts. Sometimes zones will change like the westersand after the earth tyrant or bur omisace after the fafnir hunt. Or how most overworld viera will different dialogue if Fran is your party leader. The MMO shit basically comes down to some areas being proportionately as large as on the world map, like the sandsea and tchita uplands, which is dumb but tolerable

>>719947579
Nta but
Ctrl c
Ctrl v
His supposed buzzwords

>>719947637
MMO overworld and Star Wars plot. It’s just 20 year gamefaqs memes from people who never played the game.

>>719941398
FF15: man in hat orchestrates his own elaborate suicide

>>719947727
They're both legit subjective criticisms thoughbeit, not a buzzword
I don't agree with them but I can see how someone might have those opinions

>>719947854
The game has some MMO influences but Star Wars is just completely wrong. He game rejects the good resistance vs evil empire dichotomy, the chosen one meme and Ashe is a crazy person that wants to turn Archades into another Nabudis until the Occuria out-crazy her.

>>719947995
Like I said, I agree
It's more referential of Hidden Fortress of you're familiar with that

>>719947197
>"no one can choose who they are in this world"
Sounds like FFIV then. You have no control on party composition or which classes you have.

>>719946046
>The only game with a similar plot is
any Star Wars game

I didn't think 12 was like Star Wars at all when I played it. It still sucks. The only redeeming feature is the gambit system. It was really fun to set up a perfect list and watch your team execute fights perfectly. The game got more fun the less I had to actively play it. If the game had been just about these two, that would have been great as well.

>>719941027 (OP)
>>719941398

Yeah and? These sound fuckin' ballin. Have you considered that you're jaded from being terminally online and constantly consooming without creating?

>>719946954
Plot wise probably 5 or 12

>>719948282
Like 3 star wars games have Han and chewie in them, let alone playable
And there's even less based on a new hope which is the only sw movie that ff12 can be compared to

>>719948328
They did it better than Dragon Age: Origins when it comes to gameplay.
Story is a whole can of worms.

>>719948347
Nigger, I summarized every Final Fantasy plot up to it's tenth installment, and you think I don't have the stones to create? Go back to playing Silksong. You were born years after I graduated High School, you fucking embryo.

FF been obsessed with Star Wars ever since FF2.
So I think the original movies really did leave an impression on japs watching it as teenagers back then.

>he's here
Oh nice, just give a moment

>>719946954
I'm not sure but unironically some parts of shadowbringers and endwalker reminded me of undertale

Holy fucking shit you Japanese media illiterate philistines

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Fortress

>>719941027 (OP)
Sounds great. Much better than the remakes overcomplicating things with kingdom hearts convoluted shittery

>>719948728
And yet they will be defended to the death by people who would have loved them no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>719948789
Ain't that the truth. It's sad to see japs fall for the subversion and meta meme.

>>719948789
That's why extended universes exist. Some fans are obsessed with certain works of fiction for whatever reason and creators find in this love a way to milk they for their money.
Maybe someone was really considering becoming an hero and for some esoteric mystical reason a line from Vincent made them reconsider and now they will yell BRAVO and consume everything he reappears in no matter how decent the piece of work is in general.
This is even a big reason why these works are doomed to be subpar, they sole existance is to cater to a very specific need of an attached audience.

>>719941027 (OP)
BASED
>>719941398
CRINGE
except 12, that's also BASED

>>719948789
This but also purse owner spin offs
And I'm an fatlus fag as a direct result of squeen8x shitting the bed since 13, with the exception of 13-2 and Jack's game

>>719948789
Your copypasta is moldy and unseasoned.

>>719948789
7R was already going nowhere with the Zack stuff and they lost me completely with Schrödinger's Aerith shit. They couldn't even in killing her again or making her live this time, just to bait this "mystery" for the sequel, which I'll probably never buy because of that.
And all the Zack stuff amounted to nothing and it's there just because some creeps wanted more of a side-character made at the last minute. I thought Crisis Core was enough already.

>>719948789
7 is my favorite, and I've only seen Advent Children. Never played the spin-offs. Tho, I probably will play the 7Rs when the third one gets a release date.

>>719947579
That's why I don't think it's a bad game, there's a lot of effort that went into it and those little touches are there. I enjoyed the hunts, but more for the gameplay than the world. I think that might be the difference of opinion here and why it does get compared to an MMO so often besides the combat. A lot of MMO players completely forget about the story after a while because they enjoy the grind. And you can tap out for a while to go do hunts in a similar way, which I did. But going back to the main plot just felt a chore because it was so bland to me. So I never really got attached to Ivalice so the little touches didn't help. I'm not trying to use buzzwords or shitpost, I just really never understood why people like XII's plot at all. Maybe just a me thing.

There's things to like in it, like I said you can tell Matsuno had a big hand in it. But due to the messy development you can also tell he left before it was done, not that the guy is the best writer ever but he usually gets political intrigue right. But they had to fill in the blanks when he left. I guess we'll just agree to disagree, but I'll give you it at least turned out better than XIII and that doesn't have the excuse of the director tapping out.

>>719949009
Jack's game is somehow better than it had the right to be. Especially considering how Team Ninja turned out later with Wu Long and Rise of the Ronin.

>>719941027 (OP)
>>719941398
Can either of you do XI/XIV?

>>719949017
Actually it's still fresh and factual

>>719948789
If a new FF7 game was released next month and all the reviews, both professional and public, were bad... I'd still play it because of the characters.
And I'm sure others here would too, even others who claim you're wrong.

>>719949198
I know you're not lying because I would, too.

>>719949054
>Tho, I probably will play the 7Rs when the third one gets a release date.
I take that back. I think I'll need to see how it ends if the 7Rs are worth my time.

>>719948789
Your dogshit pasta grew stale the first time, and it's off-topic here

>>719949109
>"still fresh and factual"
>In a thread about the sequles, not the spinoffs or remakes
Retard

>>719948789
No lies detected

>>719949095
FFXI and FFXIV are long running and span novels, they're hard to boil down into sentences.
But I'll try, why not.
FF11: The asshole ancients decided to seal every evil, now you gotta kill them all because they're ALL breaking (conveniently sequentially in power and horror).
FF14: You are the only person gods can't enslave by waving their hand at you, so please go and kill every single god in the world (there's a lot).

>>719949095
FFXI: An ancient race tries to restore the world to its original divine state, and in doing so link up to the reforming god of death. A nun, a samurai, and a simple adventurer have to stop the god of death from committing suicide.
FFXIV: A coven of bodyhopping liches have been manipulating history from the dawn of time with the goal of restoring Atlantis. The leader's best friend has reincarnated into a simple adventurer and ends up opposing them.

>>719949198
If I was completely honest with myself... yes, I would buy it too.
>>719949263
What about you anon? Would you buy this game >>719949198?

>>719948789
I got so mad reading this post, then I accepted the anger revealed theres some truth in what its saying

>>719949341
Not any of those anons but after 8 hours of ff7r1, I'm never giving squeenix money again
I even boughted Jack's game physical 2nd hand

>>719949357
It only made one guy very angry, and he's the maddest because he's the one who knows it's true, but doesn't like that.
Ask him if he would buy a bad game what had the FFVII characters in it and see what he says. He proves the pasta more right than anyone.

>>719949330
>FFXIV: A coven of bodyhopping liches have been manipulating history from the dawn of time with the goal of restoring Atlantis. The leader's best friend has reincarnated into a simple adventurer and ends up opposing them.
Perfect.

>>719949441
Based

>>719949063
Because you unironically didn’t understand the plot and you think Matsuno had some grand political plot sketched out because that’s a popular thing to believe. No one knows what if anything was actually cut from FFXII’s plot but it’s still complete. The point of Rozarria, the imperial senate and whatever is to give Vayne’s actions weight. Would it have been better with a flashback to his brothers rebelling, Zargabaath drinking with Drace or the party bonding at Phon Coast? Probably, but it wouldn’t add anything to the plot. FFXII is kind of similar to FFXIII with the gods are bad actually narrative. Venat betraying the Occuria and Vayne and Ashe defying them are fully realised. The political conflict is basically world building like proving Ashe’s legitimacy or Ondore playing every side. It’s not the plot of the game but it does tie into it, like Reddas/Zecht being Ondore’s agent after Nabudis.

>>719941276
more like the OG "getting your money's worth" franchise. seriously, if you could only buy one game for the PSX, how could you not go with FF?

Anyone else never finished a FF game? The furthest i got was X and X-2. I like them all but it feels like a chore quickly, and having to repeat stuff if you die is just not how I want to spend my time.

>>719949589
I'm like this with Dragon Quest. at least with FF games it feels like it's going somewhere. with DQ you're just doing filler after filler.

>>719949589
I've beaten almost all of them. Just 8 and 10 left. Well, also 13 and 15, but I'm not going to play those.

>>719949198
>If a new FF7 game was released next month and all the reviews, both professional and public, were bad... I'd still play it because of the characters.
I doubt anyone in the thread will say they wouldn't. After all, the pasta is factual.

>>719949589
I think I finished every game except for 13. Gran Pulse made me give up for some reason.
Never tried any of the spin offs but I guess only 10 and 13 had them so far.

>>719949589
I'm bite sizing my way through Jack's game a mission or two at I time ATM.

Otherwise I've finished every ff I've started
1,4,5,6,7,8,9,X,12,13,13-2
Plus a bunch of the earlier spin off's like crisis core

the FF7 remake games actually the best combat system of any FF games. the problem with them is that the Remake is unironically the definition of a movie game (and I can't stress this enough. it's what people who never play FF games imagine them being when they say "movie game") and Rebirth had too much bullshit bad side content in it wasting your time. And of course the story being completely butchered by the meta narrative.

>>719949790
Uh nigga your compilation of ff7?

>>719941478
XV is the biggest shit FF they've ever made up to now. You can't in good faith defend this piece of shit unless you're either that obsessed fanboy or some kind of a trannoid for whom every FF game is 10/10, because you lack critical thinking skills.

>>719949986
Ruh roh
Glad he's not here to read that
Based and factual tho

>>719949982
Haven't touched them. Waiting for 7R trilogy to be complete to try it but judging it about what I know so far, things like time jannies reminded me of Kingdom Hearts past 2.

>>719949095
>XIV
A reincarnated popular politician has to prevent globohomo from happening at the hands of the shadow government

>>719949982
>compilation of ff7
No one actually cares about them since Cloud isn't the MC.
Like, who the fuck cares about a cuck and Cloud's dead friend?

Now, if you were to give me a Barret prequel, fuck I'd be all over that.

>>719949986
FFXV was THE game that killed all hype in gaming for me. MGS5 before that didn't help much, either, but at least it had an enjoyable gameplay experience.
But in a way I'm thankful for it since now I wait a lot and make informed purchases more than ever.

>>719950168
They hinted at more Avalanche branches in 7R but I think they went nowhere with it in Rebirth? Just the regular Barret+Corel+Dyne stuff?
This remake trilogy feels like the Nu Star Wars Trilogy when it tried to be the same while also pretending to change stuff and went nowhere in any direction.

>>719950234
>They hinted at more Avalanche branches in 7R but I think they went nowhere with it in Rebirth? Just the regular Barret+Corel+Dyne stuff?
I wouldn't know. Haven't played them yet myself. Time Niggas put me off of it for now.

>>719946954
How come deltarune looks worse than FF1

>>719950398
Same reason as Touhou and KC - it's made intentionally shitty so more people are compelled to draw fanart.

>>719949749
This appears to be the case

>>719950168
ugly annoying nigger
let me fix that for you

>>719952075
How is making him homosexual better?

Final fantasy deserves the sonic treatment 2bh
>it was never good

>>719947480
>>719947569
Had that problem with FF7, went into it thinking it would be the best shit ever and in the end it just felt incredibly underwhelming because of the massive hype prior to playing.
I went back to it years later with an open mind and was surprised at how good it ended up being in the end. They're all solid games but they won't rock your world if you already expect greatness I guess.

>>719941027 (OP)
IV~X remains peak video games

I~III and XII are ok

>>719952682
Prior expectations are unfortunately very bad in enjoying things.
Truly, never believe the good/bad hype.

>>719952521
I mean, there are some FFs I like a lot. But as a whole, I've been massively disappointed by the series. Since the PRs were released, I've been going through the whole series over the course of a few years. The majority of them are extremely subpar games.

>>719952856
They're "you had to be there" things. That FF6~10 streak was godly in the late 90s.
>inb4 FFX is ackhsually from 2001
No point in revisiting old visual novel jrpgs with high hopes they're going to be like a Dickens novel.

>>719948328
This 100%. The game is way better when Balthier and Fran are doing literally anything. It nosedives when other characters are on screen. I wouldn't mind the boring combat if the story was just those two and whatever cretinous characters they interact with.

>>719948328
I only played FF12 on release and it's been years I'm unsure on spending money in Zodiac Age. I always back down and spend it in other games.

Jesus... playing those pixel remasters was insane and inspiring.. the music and the artwork... fuck i even read "the sky" artwork book that blew my mind on opium.... fuck.. sometimes i wish i wasnt a drug addict loser and could be bothered to make my own jrpg and write the story and create all the piano music and design all the enemies pixel by pixel... i wish i knew how to do that shit...

>>719952936
That's a retarded way to enter these games either way. This franchise was always aimed at teens, the fact that now adults playing them are expecting some kind of next level writing is hilarious.

>>719953221
Start it little by little. Don't try all at once. I dont know if you have previous musical or writing skills but you could start with one or another.
Many FF music pieces were composed even before Uematsu had any idea what their purpose would be and somehow many feel like specifically crafted for when they were used etc.
Same for sprite/character designs when it came to Amano.

>>719941398
>kept under control by giant crystals
The aren't, they're kept under control by the ruling class enslaving them at birth.
The mothercrystals are literally giant saps draining the land of it's aether spreading Blight, placed there by Ultima and his people.
XVI is probably the simplest plot of all FFs, how did you mess this up so bad??

>>719952936
I mean, I love 7 and 5. X was pretty good. 6, 9, 12, and 16 were massive letdowns. I liked 1 a lot cuz it sets up all of Final Fantasy. Even in FF16 there are still traces of FF1. That is very impressive. FF2 was surprisingly good as well. I played the 3D remakes for 3 and 4. I like 3, but 4 was meh. 13 and 15 are just bad.

>>719941027 (OP)
>FF10: A dream manifests itself as a blonde fuccboi and encourages a spiritual mortician to end a cycle of violence on the world.
Also underwater FIFA, for some gay ass reason

>>719953301
They're a good guys vs. evil bad guys at face value aimed at teens but there are a lot of good
I read once that Sakaguchi's mother passed away in a housefire in the 80s so all the different ways the cope with death is explored in different ways within the series may be a reflection on how he felt about that loss as he grew older and had a family etc.

>>719953301
Well the franchise has evolved. 1-12 were made for kids, but 14 is not for kids obviously. And 16 has a 35 year old main character. I don't think Rebirth is for kids either.

Of course the themes of Terra in FF6 are childish though

>muh story
>muh themes
games like FF7 and 9 are great because of their settings and music and characters, no one is going crazy over the plots themselves

>>719953741
9 doesn't have great music or characters tho

>>719953635
>I don't think Rebirth is for kids either.
Nah, while 7R has a lot of great character interaction and drama the shounen-plot DNA is still there.
Every single fucking time the gang lets an absolute monster of a person go pissed me off.

Hojo at CdS.
The fucking Turks scene at the Temple was driving me insane. Rude and Reno were DIRECTLY responsible for killing FIFTY THOUSAND people yet they're let go.. Even if Tifa didn't want schizo-Cloud killing them, Barret by all rights should've turned them into swiss-cheese but... shounen-writing DNA from OG prevents that.

>>719953741
7's themes weren't all that great. 7 is all about the characters and their stories imo.

>>719953950
>9 doesn't have great music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eobb-Li2RsY

Cloud ver. Shinra Goon A pwning Sephiroth is an all-time classic moment

>>719953741
That's mostly my stance on it too. It's the sense of adventure, the worlds, the soundtrack accompanying it. Those aspects coming together in a high quality way is what made these games so memorable. The stories are fine for what they are.

>>719953741
>>719954237
The stories can't even be that much different. You need to find excuses for battles and then a big battle at the end to conclude things.
It has to exist in service of the video game part.

>>719941027 (OP)
>elite soldier under the influence of an ancient space alien who intends to absorb the 'blood' of the planet
Sephiroth is not under the influence of Jenova.

>>719948347
True. I still read these FF hating threads sometimes but barely respond because the hate at this point is so mindless and nonsensical. You can tell is just a bunch of old people butthurt that they aren't young anymore and the confirmation is every time they bring up E33. A pretty dark, grim, sad game just like their lives. FF was always youthful, silly and multifaceted, not a one track pony like E33.

Also other than FF13 and 15, which are still like 7/10, most FF games are actually really good. FF16 as really good and Rebirth was amazing game.

>>719954365
At first he was, then he "absorbed" her Will and took over. That's a convoluted shit Ultimania and interviews and subsequent retcons by expanded lore made very murky.
But he ultimately becomes Le Big Bad Ayy Lmao Guy(TM).

>>719954421
He was "influenced" for a period of about 2 hours when he labored under a misapprehension about what Jenova is and was. It was a pretty bad 2 hours and he kinda burned down a town during it, but he figured it out shortly after getting stabbed in half.

>>719954534
Yeah. He was such an engineered Ubermensch he managed to override the mind controlling alien trying to mind control him.
But there's still the thing that I don't remember if he ever figured out Jenova wasn't a Cetra or just said fuck the Planet anyway.

I've only played 6 and 7 and I only finished 7
am I missing out

>>719954683
No. This ship has sailed. Enjoy your gaming hobby with something else.

>>719954050
Meh. 9 has very few good tracks, and that isn't one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_rbyp2UbK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_353uJagE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvJ5MjcXDjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMzb6MFOZgY
There might be one or two more, but that's it
Hell, the biggest crime is that all the battle music and the overworld music are fucking awful.

>>719954760
The only two tracks I like in FF9.
Just kidding, but they're among my favorites.

>>719941027 (OP)
>FF9: Two Angels of Death are sent to a world to harvest souls to revitalize their dying world. One of the Angels gets amnesia, and saves the world because he wants to bone a 16-year-old princess. Everyone has an existential crisis.
FF9 really did have the most kino plot in the entire series when you put it like that

>>719954760
>overworld music
>fucking awful

>>719954870
It's a remix of a lot of stuff from previous games. Too bad Square killed IX by releasing it so late into the PS1 lifespan while also announcing it together with FFX. What a retarded move.

>>719954901
fuckyoufrogbitch

>>719954683
5,4,10,9 and 1 are all worth playing too (ordered from best to worst)

>>719953950
Still has very charming and interesting art direction because of the highly detailed pre-rendered backgrounds. The world feels real and intriguing. All FF games have always been good at portraying worlds that feel like they exist somewhere else separate from ours. Most Jrpg's just feel like either an extension of ours or some anime bullshit but not FF. These always come with their own original history, traditions and lore full of gods and creation and existence and all that stuff that gives it substance and meaning... And they do this again and again with every single game. It's not just a trillion sequels like Resident Evil or whatever slop retards play nowadays, these are all original games each one of them.

You guys just seem to be too low IQ to realize why FF for decades have been one of the biggest, most important and influential franchises in gaming but you talk so much shit you have managed to convince the younger generations to ignore it and is stuck with only a few bitter old men caring about it even though the "bad" games aren't even bad when put in perspective.

>>719954760
Crossing Those Hills is just kind of okay. It's an alright theme on its own. It's no Terra's Theme, it's no Main Theme of FFVII, and it's abso-fucking-lutely no Blue Fields, so it's way behind it's competition for most FF overworld music. But I can't call it awful.

>>719954406
You hit the nail on the head with this one.

>>719954406
>>719955104
You're the only one talking about E33

>>719955078
Crossing Those Hills/Over the Hill sounds like toddler music or underwater music to me. Take your pick.
>and it's abso-fucking-lutely no Blue Fields
Blue Fields is the best Overworld track of all time and easily one of the best FF tracks ever.

>>719955075
Don't try to blame fans. Square managed to ruin their golden goose themselves. All the shit, schizo and baitposting had way lesser impact then the owners of the IP not dealing with it very well.
To be fucking fair, it started going downhill the moment they became SquareEnix but the ripple effect was only felt years later.

>>719948789
True
>>719949749
Anyone with a problem with the pasta seems to have gone silent once this question arose. Very telling.

>>719952075
Fixed dat fo (you) Timmy

>>719952521
Yep
Atlus mogs
Press turn mogs

>>719955075
>stuck with only a few bitter old men caring about it
Well at least you're self aware, gramps

>>719953301
yes but i wish people were more upfront about this. i got tricked into buying x recently (as someone who had only previously played the remake of III on the ds) because people say its one of the greatest rpgs of all time and what i got was an extremely slow game with excessive cutscenes and dialogue aimed at 8-13 year olds. i guess its my own fault for just buying it based on the opinions of retards but it also has one of the most rabid fan bases. if you try and criticise this game people get extremely butthurt.

>>719955458
You wanna know the funny thing? FFX's reception was somewhat polarized on release and only later became a dogma do criticize it. And many of the reasons for that were the ones you just mentioned when it comes to gameplay.
Nothing as close as the absolute hate wars newer games spark, though.

>>719955358
Why did you make them homosexual?

>>719941276
>1 huge game across 3 Discs

You are technically correct, does Metal Gear count as a moviegame franchise?

>>719955612
MGS is a more literal moviegame but technically FF came first if you consider all the walltext and "cutscenes"?

>>719955560
Cope, wh*te boi

>>719941398
>FF12: Literally it's the first Star Wars movie, you team up with Han Solo and Chewbacca to fly into the evil empire's base and defeat them
Which is why it's the only FF worth playing and the rest are dogshit in comparison

>>719955458
FFX being popular with women on Tiktok should tell you it's a bad game

I'll also say FFIX is about as deep as Mario RPG

>>719955750
>Mario RPG
incredible game

>>719955458
The games are made for 13 year olds, and the people who play them in their early teens have their minds blown and spend the next 40 years convinced they're flawless and telling everyone else as much. Is it any wonder younger people are put off when they play them, don't have the same experience, and have geriatric cunts ranting and raving at them for daring to not love them enough?

Make no mistake, the sad faggots in each of these threads crying about HATERS every day are rarely talking about actual HATE, but just other people who DARE to give these games 7 or 8 out of 10 and express some criticisms about them. That's all it takes for them to go into a spin and rant about haters and low IQ zoomer and bitter old people who "can't enjoy anything" and something something E33 just for the hell of it.

>>719955718
I said the same thing when the other guy made Barret white. Race changing, without fail, makes characters look gay.

>>719955524
its probably because the people criticising it on release were older than 15, and the people who defend it as the greatest rpg ever made were 8-13 when it released.

like i get it, i played shit games as a kid too that i absolutely adored and as a result still like them now, but at least i can recognise they are objectively shit.

>>719955808
Trvth

>>719955808
Someday you will realize people to the same to any piece of media, be it games, opera, movies, books.
More or less what you enjoy in your formative years will influence you for the rest of your life and little else that comes after that will have as much impact.

I like E33 and FF7. Fantastic games.

>>719955885
What makes you think I don't already realize that?

>>719955923
Because when you criticize ff or ff fans I assume you only do it to them and nothing else

>>719955923
Keep complaining about repeatedly. There's nothing much deeper in Dante, either. It was just his fanfic about traveling in his fantasy land.
You're not more adult of mature because you're able to point a video game is aimed at teenagers but it's not a sin to enjoy them if you're older.

Reminder that you can play XIV completely solo like a single player game and it's free up to the second sequel.

>>719956142
>play xiv back in the day
>base game was a living nightmare
>slow as fuck, cringe as fuck dialogues, stupid boring quests
>manage to beat it
>suddenly, postgame
>somehow worse than the base game
>after what it feels like purgatory irl, beat postgame and reach HW
>they say it's a million times better
>the story is still boring as fuck
I expected a lot more from a final fantasy game, holy fuck

>>719955358
>>719955718
imagine making something objectively worse and then shilling it because of your skin color

>>719955995
>You're not more adult of mature because you're able to point a video game is aimed at teenagers but it's not a sin to enjoy them if you're older.
Good thing I didn't do that, then. But thank you for exposing your insecurities.
My post is a criticism of the people who played FF when they were young and now spend all their time lashing out at anyone they brand a HATER at the drop of a hat. Someone finding FF9 less than flawless does not warrant a tirade about bitter zoomers/boomers who are unable to enjoy anything because they're addicted to misery or too low IQ to see these games are all without flaws.

Now go ahead and dismiss my point by pretending I said something else, again.

>>719956312
Who is doing that, too.
Games are just a past time. No need to cling to them as much as love and hate.
Even as early as FF7 released a lot of japanese played complained about it and it led to overcorrections in FF8, which devs admitted to.
Only retards treat them as flawless things, not even their creators do.

>>719956252
The only shame is you paid for it

Mod this chad into og ff7 when?
it would get taken down in hour lol

>>719956308
>shilling
Newfag

>>719941027 (OP)
>>719941276
I think if Square kept making Final Fantasy on Super Nintendo we would’ve gotten battle scenes that use Mode 7 to its fullest potential. And also each battle having Mode 7 visuals would fit perfectly with the numerical numbering of said Final Fantasy game I’m just now noticing!

>Mode 7
>Final Fantasy 7

>>719956519
gay

>>719956142
Why would I subject myself to [Current Year] FF14 though? You say "Oh but the free stuff is the good old days" but because of sweeping global system changes the old stuff doesn't play like the old stuff, it plays like the new stuff, which sucks. Worse, it plays like a worse version of the new stuff because they make jobs feel incomplete until level cap, and it's not just a function of missing the shiny new toy, but actually going back and pruning and moving abilities around so being level 60 has fewer actions and a less coherent kit today than it did back in HW.

>>719956587
>more niggers in games!
Race traitor
Or more likely, supremacist

>>719942073
>Dragon Quest XII

Nuh uh uh we gotta wait for DQ I and II remakes first

>>719956702
All race swaps are gay.

>>719955458
To be fair with what they could do at the time, they still managed to make fairly memorable characters and stories that are enjoyable enough to go through.
But this franchise also made a huge impression on a lot of us growing up, so there's a lot emotional ties there. Problem with discussing FF is not only that but also everyone has their own vision of what FF needs to be. Usually shaped by whichever game introduced them to the franchise, even though its identity has consistently been a moving target. It's why some games feel like a "betrayal" despite them not even being bad games. It's made it a messy franchise to discuss in a genuine way and why hanging around in the "comfy" threads is really the only worthwhile thing for them here. There is barely any point to the debates because there is never a real consensus to reach about it, people aren't that open to hearing about anyone's likes or dislikes about a game especially when they have made up their mind about it ages ago.

>>719955995
>it's not a sin to enjoy them if you're older
Funny how you proved my point by assuming I was a hater by the way

>>719956739
This. The FF fanbase might be the most insecure in all of gaming.

>>719946521
>>719946705
XIII mentioned!

>>719956806
Because you are, I just want to gift (You)s.

>>719947569
That sprite of Bartz always cracks me up, FF5 has no business being as fun and silly as it is, the limitations forced developers to get creative on conveying movements and expressions

>>719956739
I liked every FF more or less except for 13. 15 was shit for asking full price for a noticeably unfinished game but its premise was fine.

>>719957073
Wrong, I've not hated any FF I've played. I like some more than others, but have enjoyed the ones I've played. But I am very glad you're proving my point. Haters haters everywhere! Don't say every FF is flawless? Hater detected!

The moment Cid gets to space is very nice. I felt happy for him. I like how it mellows him out a bit, too.

>>719947569
>It was a mistake to play the PR's in order.

Final Fantasy ports are weird, they were always adding and removing content to the extent that very rarely is there a definitive version of each game. I’ll explain 4, 5 and 6

FF4
>The GBA version redid the translation, allowed you to change your party, added in 2 new bonus dungeons with 2 new superbosses and the dark eleidons, added numerous new equipment, and rebalanced the game to make it generally harder and more in line with the SF original.
>The DS version removed ALL the bonus content from the GBA version and has a much worse translation, but added 3D graphics, full voice acting, the brand new "augment system", NG+, and a new superboss.
>The PSP version is identical to the GBA version but with better graphics and sound while also including FF4 The After Years and the brand new FF4 Interlogue storyline.
>The Pixel Remaster has the best OST but reverts ALL the additions made in the GBA and PSP versions. It uses a slightly modified GBA script.

FF5
>The GBA version adds in 5 new classes, a new bonus dungeon, 3 new superbosses, and completely redone translation from the PSX version.
>The Delisted Mobile/Steam version is basically the GBA version but with worse graphics.
>The Pixel Remaster uses the GBA translation but removes the bonus content and dialogue character portraits from the GBA and old Mobile/Steam release.

FF6
>The GBA version adds back in cut content from the SNES version and undoes censorship, but has significantly worse graphics and sound.
>The mobile/steam versions of FF6 are identical to the GBA version but with the same terrible art style and altered gameplay, which thankfully can be reverted back.
>The Pixel Remaster is basically the SNES release with the GBA translation and A LOT of added QoL and balance changes. (Buffed Cyrus, nerfed Sabin and Edgar, Deathgaze can now be seen on the map, etc)

>>719957367
Another (You), facetious hater.

I just played 1, 2 and 3. Should I keep playing them in order?

>>719956739
>they still managed to make fairly memorable characters and stories that are enjoyable enough to go through
you could say the same thing about for example, sonic games. the difference is, when sonic fans grow up most of them recognise that the games were pretty bad. and i think final fantasy should have the same perception - adored by children because the designs are fun and imaginative, but clearly childrens games and quite poor games from the perspective of a more mature audience. but a lot of final fantasy fans seem to think they are the greatest games of all time, which is frankly absurd. I'm not saying they're horrible, but they are clearly for children and quite hard to enjoy if you're not a child in many ways. compared to something like jak and daxter or mario kart which are clearly for children, but also quite easy to enjoy as an adult.

>>719957472
Who can answer that better than yourself? Are you enjoying them? Are you curious about the next one?

>>719948728
>Kingdom Hearts convoluted shittery

Dream Drop Distance (or DDD for short) lore dumps you a ton at the end game and a lot of said lore feels like it was really poorly foreshadowed or came out of nowhere, also I'm already half Xehanort

>>719957506
People went out of their way to redeem Sonic Adventure 1 as finally a "good game".

>>719957432
The most insecure fanbase in gaming. It's true.

>>719953961
>7's themes weren't all that great.
I think the theme of environmentalism was good, but a bit underdone in the game. It sort of comes and goes as it pleases. 7R should've expanded on that, instead of completely abandoning it for "fate", the most overused plot of all time.

>>719957678
Don't be sad, you'll have plenty of (You)s.

>>719949589
I started FFX a while back but fell off and had no motivation back to it, I guess I was too distracted with other games and I still kinda am, it was the Switch release

>>719957739
I told you that I like FF and you're still upset. Care to explain why?

>>719955818
>le fence sitter
hola redito

>>719957881
That's not what fence sitting is.
You are retarded.

>>719957549
>Are you enjoying them?
Yeah.
>Are you curious about the next one?
Kind of, 3's plot felt a bit generic coming from 2 though.

The Switch is such a crazy console because what do you mean I can play the first 20 full years of Final Fantasy, legally and officially, on a single console?

I bet other franchises wish they had their entire franchise playable on Switch

*Laughs in F-Zero*

>>719947569
6 IS better than 7, retard.

>>719957605
yeah but i dont think anyone took those people very seriously lol

>>719957725
Does anyone even like the "Fate" shit and Whispers? They just seem so... Unnecessary, and they kinda muddle the narrative for no reason

>>719958210
no

>>719950398
Limitations vs No Limitations

>>719958210
Brit spotted.

I agree, though.

>>719958198
damn that's actually wild

>>719958198
Ah, to be 10 again but with modern technology. All I could do back then was dream about any game before 7, because they weren't released here.

>>719949527
The plot wasn't complicated. The problem is the party being boring as hell. You could remove Vaan and Penelo and nothing would change. Even Fran is somewhat frivolous.

>>719958198
Can't you do this on pc?
I don't mean emulation
What's there that isn't on steam?

>>719952521
Don't be contrarian. FFI-FFX are straight up classics and helped define JRPGs for the west.

>>719958237
No. People "like" FF7R because they want more. They have no concept of quality, only consuming more and more of a product, more of a world, more of a character, anything, even if it's a perversion of the original.

>>719958978
Atlus made turn based actually challenging and worthwhile gameplay and rendered final fantasy retroactively obsolete

>>719959089
So which 3D FF has a better combat system than FF7R

>>719959089
Sadly true

>>719959089
This

>>719959165
X.
Ys and Souls/likes mog remake/birth as arpgs

>>719959165
If Part 3 had bad combat, would you not play it?

>>719959089
>>719959202
remakes or rather remasters are literal printing machines for money
$100 for the oblivion remaster collectors ed and people stopped playing it after a week. i'm not poor but i still have to think about what games i want to buy, while a shitload of people out there just threw a bunch of money at bethesda for a very lazy product

>>719959252
I can find homeless people with less controversial opinions that yours.

>>719959272
I didn't even finish part 2, so no. It's still the best thing Square's shat out since the original Bravely Default.

>>719959252
You're not supposed to like any combat system more than FF7R

>>719959165
X
13
13-2
Jack's game

>>719958817
Sure, yeah. Remove Vaan
>Ashe is still a revenge obsessed loon who isn’t stayed from cutting nethicite because she didn’t see someone get over the death of their loved one at the hands of the empire
>doesn’t care about creating hundreds of thousands of orphans like Vaan in Arcadia
Remove Fran
>party can’t get through Golmore because the empire made the Viera more isolationist or find Giruvegan through Fran’s knowledge of old legends cause she’s super old or read the dynast king’s message at the Pharos
Remove Penelo
>party doesn’t bond with Lara’s, Bach doesn’t take over for Gabranth to protect him and Archades turns to civil war with Cid’s nukes weaponized
Fucking retard

>>719959346
>Jack's game
That's the best FF.

>>719959319
>ys being the agreed pinnacle of Japanese arpgs
>controversial
Unironically play more games
Like a lot more

>>719959346
Fuck I'd even say 12

>>719959089
>>719959089
>only consuming more and more of a product
Get excited for next product, bing bing wahoo

Is that a jpeg of my favorite vidya character slapped on a different game entirely? Give me every copy.

>>719959460
I don't have much experience outside FF and KHs but I'm certain 7R is the pinnacle of action combat and all future games need to use the same system.

>>719959639
comfy looking hoody

>>719948789
>AC
>BC
>CC
>DC
is that intentional
whats the hidden message there

>>719959165
If you're playing an FF game for the combat you're a fucking mong and your opinion is irrelevant.

>>719959694
It is intentional, there's also EC, the current mobile game

>>719959658
PLAY MORE GAMES
EVERY Ys
EVEN THE NEWER ONES
EVERY SOULS AND SOULSLIKE
THEN FORM A VALID OPINION

>>719949539
if you want gameplay that goes beyond "press O to win"

>>719959658
>7R is the pinnacle of action combat
I think it has the bones to be good but the materia is too boring. Give us more interesting combinations to create to allow the player to go crazy if they want. Look at ARPGs like Path of Exile for inspiration, for example.

>>719959158
I mean FF have inspired a lot of major devs from anywhere in the world be it from gameplay, music, story, even minigames
I dont think any other JRPG series has done that barring pokemon maybe, megaten and persona is cool but I never see any dev saying their game is inspired by persona.

>>719959712
3,5 and tactics for job autism
Throw Bravely and octopath in there too
X for decent but not Atlus turn based
13 for unironically the best implementation of atb
13-2 for above plus pokemon
12 for programming if/then autism
Jack's game for actual good arpg combat

I'm an anti storyfag so these are good games

>>719959694
>Mfw we will have 7 shit until ZC
>Mfw AD.

>>719959395
The characters I mentioned only had one or two pivotal scenes or uses before being relegated to the background. The writers could easily come up with whatever plot device needed to get through Golmore for example.

The point is, after their introduction, it becomes the Ashe/Basch show

>>719959976
>12 for programming if/then autism
damn, I'm autistic then

>>719959901
Megaten inspired pokemon
It is the most influential jarpig in terms of mainstream success of the genre
It only lacks cutesy designs and a plot for children and an anime

>>719959158
Etrian Odyssey and SaGa have far better combat

>>719960064
All programmers are autistic anon
Don't feel bad

>>719960112
Etrian is atlus
And Saga is ff2 rewarding bad player trash

>>719960108
I doubt it was only megaten but probably a mix of a lot of things.
Pokemon had a "working" world with its own unique worldbuilding and evolving monsters that fit in your pocket. Not a shill but I always hated people saying megaten was the pioneer when even dragon quest 5 had similar mechanics, or when people say shit like digimon is a ripoff of pokemon even.

>>719960028
You didn’t play the game larper. Vaan and Penelo have an important scene entering Archades, the point is to show them getting over their hatred of the empire and their eagerness to see Larsa SOLIDOR again. Then at the top of the Pharos it’s Vaan stopping Ashe from falling to Gabranth’s goading her into cutting nethicite to take revenge, because he wants revenge for Landis. Both those scenes are also important for Basch, but he’s not the focus again until Bahamut because his whole character is guilt and duty, he’s willing to go along with whatever Ashe wants mirroring Gabranth and the Solidors.

>>719960419
DQ5 was 1992 anon
Megami Tensei 1 was 1987
Megaten is king anon, sorry not sorry

>>719960563
2 scenes
Got it

>>719957506
But children's games can be good?

>>719960686
Didn’t play the game, got it. Not going to explain again why the behaviour of the war orphans is important for Ashe to see.

>>719960783
Literally didn't matter who stopped Ashe
Balthier Fran or Basche could of done it and it changes nothing
They just chose the two tag alongside to give them something to do and give the illusion that they're important to the plot
2 scenes

>>719960563
I played the game two years ago before dropping it. All I remember was doing endless dungeon crawling from one temple and cave to the next while occasionally seeing background characters doing political stuff. I also remember that massive info dump exposition right at the start of the game that you are somehow supposed to remember and understand. Defintely not the best start for a FF game.

Fran was hot at least

>>719959976
>3,5 and tactics for job autism
Tactics is good, but I was mostly thinking mainline, which I guess 7R isn't but whatever. 5 has nice job stuff which I autistically enjoy but the actual gameplay in battles is just generic boring menu cycling, which I get is just RPGs in general but still sucks dog dick.
>X for decent but not Atlus turn based
Meh, same as above. I like sphere grid, don't like moment to moment gameplay again.
>13 for unironically the best implementation of atb
13 is a fucking abomination for giving the player no freedom in their build until like 40 hours in. Also, while it almost never has an issue, the fact that enemies have AoE attacks that will sometimes hit 1/2/3 of your party, but you have no direct control over their position, is such a bafflingly stupid choice I actually can't believe it's real.
>13-2 for above plus pokemon
You know what? Yeah ok.
>12 for programming if/then autism
This one I think is close-ish?
>Jack's game for actual good arpg combat
Didn't play it, looked like absolute unrepentant garbage.

Weird, thinking about this 7R is the opposite of most of the others. I hate the external systems but enjoy the actual meat of the gameplay.

>>719961016
Jack's game is an unironic top 5 ff.
Fuck top 3 even

>>719961303
I enjoy schlock garbage in films, but not in TV shows or games. Stupidity is best enjoyed in a nice 90 minute package, any more than that and I just lose interest.

>>719960732
of course they can, which is why i gave examples of ones that are. final fantasy isnt one of these.

>>719961431
The gameplay is anything but schlock. It is extremely enjoyable.

>>719961431
The cutscenes probably only run 90 minutes at most in stranger of Paradise
It's 95% gameplay
I'm not shitposting you, you're seriously missing out

>>719949095
FFXIV, you are the all-powerful Warrior of Light, blessed by Crystal entity that created your world, with powers other mortals do not possess, you face down any and all threats to the realm of Eorzea whether foreign or domestic while also exploring the deeper mysteries involving the true state of the planet Etheriys

>>719960941
No they couldn’t have, because those characters had no emotional stakes in the war with the empire similar to Ashe. Only Vaan and Penelo lost family, larper.
>>719961012
>massive exposition dump
There’s no such thing. Archades invaded Dalmasca and the royal family died, then Vayne becomes consul of the occupied state. That’s literally all you get until Bhujerba.
>dungeon crawling
Yes, it’s a classic FF game in 3D, most strongly inspired by II. Not a linear Kitase game like X.

>>719961550
>>719961575
Ok anons, you might have actually sold me on this...

>>719961739
Convincing anons to spend money on SE products is my job. You're welcome.

>>719961875
My job will be posting a torrent link to the game

I've only beaten one FF game. I get too impatient playing these games.

>>719961739
It's actually a shame how much the game is meme'd. I mean, that stuff is great if you enjoy it like I do, but it turned people off of a very fun game that is packed to the brim with Final Fantasy. Yeah, it's a bit "member berry" but I like that too.

>>719961643
The intro name drops
>archadia
>nalbadia
>dalmasca
>rabanestre
>fictional calendar
Within minutes, that is several proper nouns and a date that means nothing to players at the moment and won't become relevant. Then it switches from a wedding to a war room and then a battle of which we care little about. As a whole its a messy intro compared to how elegant FF games used to start
>most strongly inspired by II.
Its mainly inspired by wrpgs

>>719961739
Jack's game enjoyer here
I was in the same boat, thought it was another shameless cash grab by SE "we want the normie audience (again)"

But /v/ wouldn't shut the fuck up about it so I caved and boughted it on sale

Just watch this shit
https://youtu.be/Hkj-uvg2sRU?si=wRZAplIY5ApQtqBE

Gameplay is Nioh with a coat of final fantasy paint and job autism

>>719941478
meme opinion because objectively speaking

X >= VII > IV >= V >= VI > VIII

12>og 7> tactics wotl >Jack's game>13-2>the rest

>>719962109
The only real issue is Nabradia and Nalbina. Dalmasca is your team and Archades is the evil empire. The game is bad at explaining that the empire blew up the capital of Nabradia, Nabudis, and that Nalbina is a border fortress at the isthmus that controls access to Dalmasca proper.

>>719958978
I dont consider a games legacy/influence to be relevant to whether or not it was a good game. Pong is one of the most influential games of all time, I still think it's boring as shit.

Also, I could maybe accept your argument for FFI defining jrpgs for the west, but the formula barely changed across the series. You can't do the same thing over and over again and take credit for defining a genre 10 times just because the first time you did it it could actually be considered genre defining.

>>719959089
As someone who never played the original ff7, i still think ff7r is cool. Although I only started playing it recently and I'm not that deep into it yet.

>>719962109
Also within the context of the series it’s definitely most inspired by II. It’s the most open of the early games, has an unorthodox leveling system, you fight with a royal rebellion, Basch and Gabranth have similarities to Leon, it uses a Flying Fortress commanded by the emperor and the empire more or less wins. Obviously XII has a more western tone but the early games were also wrpg inspired iirc

>>719963284
so you never played ff7 then?

>>719958406
Poetic that most of SEA likes FF10.

>>719958406
Based worst Korea, Pakistan, italoniggers and hues

>>719950178
>FFXV was THE game that killed all hype in gaming for me
Same. I can't even begin to explain how excited I was for XV to finally come out after waiting for Versus XIII for a fucking decade, only for it to be launch XV, which was even worse than XV Royal Edition currently is.

I completely stopped following gaming shit after that. I literally don't even know what games are coming out until YouTube starts recommending me videos or the shills start making a thousand /v/ threads. I don't buy games anymore either. Fuck that. It might even be the most disappointing event in my entire life. I just made it so I can't be disappointed anymore.

>>719958406
Did Russia only get the NES or something

>>719963284
If it's just the gameplay, fine. If it's the story, then I'm sorry but I think you're probably an idiot.

>>719964484
I don't remember writing this post, but it is literally me

>>719964484
>>719950178
It was XIII for me. I was a massive Final Fantasy fan, 14 years old, faked being ill so I could scive off school for a week to play it. I hated it. I hated it so, so much. The characters, the overall story, Vanille's voice acting, Hope, the on rails gameplay, the linear upgrade path. By the time I got to the more open world section I was so checked out I don't think a thousand blowjobs could've made it palateable.
I went back to school on the Thursday.

>>719953741
kek, FF7 throws their cool seting into the trash 6 hours in.

>>719963317
>an unorthodox leveling system
Its similar to the sphere grid

>>719963174
Legacy is only part of it but most of them are genuinely good

>>719965142
>It was XIII for me.
You're not wrong. XIII was also dogshit, but back then we still had the hope that Versus XIII was the real Final Fantasy XIII so we kinda let it slide. Then we had to wait 7 more years for XV and that killed all the good faith Square Enix had and also "ruined gaming" for me.

>>719955357
That does seem to be the case

What is it about Japanese stories often being extremely convoluted? Is it just a language/culture barrier?

>>719965432
I really wanted Versus XIII as well, that original trailer was like porn for teenage me, but by the time it released as XV I was far too jaded to be disappointed. I knew what it was going to be. I didn't even finish it.

>>719965462
As an og ff7 fag I'm not sure I can recover from this

>>719965478
>What is it about Japanese stories often being extremely convoluted?
That's a Tetsuya Nomura and Masato Kato thing. If you avoid games with those people on them, you will mostly avoid the needlessly convoluted narratives.

>>719948789
>Is 7R good?
Yes.

>>719965478
they often have very simple stories told in the most ass-backwards way possible

>>719941027 (OP)
FF10 felt like the last true FF. Everything that came after felt like completely different games in a completely different franchise.

>>719965462
Never got the hype for 7. It's not bad, but 6, 8, 9 and 10 are way better.

>>719966009
psx was a LOT of kids first console

Which FF game has the best love story?

>>719966009
>really good music
>exceptional intro
>good onboarding to the world
>varied and interesting characters
>cool, aloof and dangerous antagonist
It's very easy to see why it became so successful at the time. Playing them now, out of order, it might be less obvious though.

>>719941276
Games with a lot of story are not moviegames. Moviegames are games that were designed to have little to no redeeming qualities other than their movielike cinematics

FF7 was the first really big budget game with flashy cinematics but it's also a game jampacked with mechanics, exploration and minigames.

>>719941276
>>719966418
Agreed. A movie game is where the creators clearly wanted to make a film, but do not have the talent, resources or contacts to make one, so they made a game instead, where the standards for storytelling are far lower.

Final Fantasy games have a lot of story, but the majority of every game is some form of actual gameplay, not watching cutscenes/reading dialogue.

>>719966008
must be why FF11 is the best FF game and it's not even close

>>719966294
XV

>>719966294
8 or 10 with original japanese translation. Not even being a dickodillo about this like the translation in FF8 changes Rinoa from a curious, cutely prying chick into a whiny/childish seeming one who just annoys squall. The FF10 translation makes Yuna seem way too vague and mis handles some of Tidus' awkward responses to her as he very gradually starts to realize her intense personal situation/destiny.

FFIX due to this ends up the best overall romance but only cause the other 2 got mishandled enough in translation to make it difficult to judge them vs it.

If you pay GOOD attention, FFX probably has the better romance. Otherwise go with the flow of 9.

I will always be partial to FF4 and simply starting the game as Cecil who's already in a fully committed long term relationship with Rosa. There's not as much development but noticing your MC has "immediate" romantic support from someone else close to them is its own sort of vibe.

>>719966736
Truth

>>719965462
>what if we remade FF6 with these new polygon shits but with extra Evangelion shit because that's really popular right now

>>719948436
kys faggot, I played the first one on a Dendy, something YOU never even heard of

>>719967990
The evangelion shit was snatched from Xenogears script

>>719941027 (OP)
I always found it awesome that FF3, FF5, FF6 and FF7 had this moment where you were playing the game, get like 10-15 hours in, then suddenly you just realized there was a second whole part of the world that was hidden. FF3 had you on the floating continent with the drowned world below, FF5 had the split planets, FF6 had the world of ruin, and FF7 leaving midgar and again when you change the first disk out to discover that it wasn't even close to being over.

I miss that.

>>719966736
I know 11fags hate 14fags, but both games are far better than their single-player counterparts.

>>719969001
But anon!
13 has an open world 40 hours in

>>719969001
It's very hard to be ignorant now, which makes surprises very hard.
Completely unrelated, but I watch Weapons when it was released, didn't see the trailers, didn't really know anything about it, was completely surprised at everything that happened and loved it.

>>719969049
red pill me on the mmos as a single player fag who really likes 12

This, but in the reverse order

>>719969209
Never played 13, was an auto-skip because better RPGs were out at the time, sadly.

>>719969217
Yeah, the feeling of wonder and excitement is gone because we have a bunch of fucking weirdos data mining non-stop to farm clips/views for their dying streamer/youtube channels. It's so tiresome.

I hate that the internet has turned into such a pile of dogshit. Nothing is exciting or interesting, there's no surprise just mediocrity.

>Everyone has an existential crisis
Pretty sure Quina didn't have any issues.

>>719953540
Blitzball isn't soccer, it's water polo.

>>719969704
qu8na is barely sentient thoughbeit

>Final Fantasy is an R-P-G
>I only play games that are pop-u-lar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2448Rp5JoAk

>>719969930
>Stillbirth
Shan't be watching

>>719969293
Well, both of them can be played mostly solo now, but it's great how the story just keeps on going. Like, you never get to spend this much time with characters in the single-player games. 40-100 hours, and those characters are complete. With 14, you get the proper slow ass build up from adventure to hero of the universe. There is no other game where you can see characters progress like this. It's a one-of-a-kind story experience. Not everyone likes it since it's a lot of walking and reading with combat sprinkled in, but it's awesome. If the single-player games are movies, the MMOs are TV shows. A character like Walter White wouldn't work nearly as well in a movie because you wouldn't have all that buildup. I don't know how else to tell it. It's just a one-of-a-kind experience. The only similar experience would be playing all of the Mass Effect games back to back.

>>719941027 (OP)
>FF8
FF8 isn't about the Sorceress or the world or even most of the main cast so much as it is about Squall and his growth as a person.
The entire nonsensical nature of the plot post DISC 1 is there purely to fuck with him since he's supposed to be a very straight-laced sort that's set in his ways and having to deal with all the asinine bullshit thrown his way is what helps him grow as a person.

>>719969892
Blissful ignorance is still bliss.

>>719970060
What's the ideal finishing up.point in 14 considering all I've read about Wuk Lamat or whoever shitting the bed

>>719966294
IX maybe
I really do not think romance is Final Fantasy's strong suit

>>719969704
It might not be football, but it plays like a JRPG-ified FIFA.

>>719970406
I don't think she's functionally capable of an existential crisis tbqhwy sempai

>>719965462
There are a lot of other things ripped out of VI as well.
The thing about VII is that it's just better executed with a fresh spin so playing VI after VII just makes it seem like a clunky prototype and playing VII after VI makes it feel like a rehash.

>>719970478
The story of XIV is slop, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or has had their brain ruined by too much anime. For every worthwhile, story/character progressing line of dialogue, there are a thousand filler lines to keep people subbed for as long as possible.

>>719966294
None of the love stories are particularly good, you're better off looking elsewhere.
FF8 is the most interesting one to me though it doesn't pay attention to the relationship itself so much as it does Squall's response to it and how it serves to change him over time.

>>719970478
You could easily stop after beating Endwalker/6.0. That's when "book 1" ended. No need to play the Endwalker patches.

>>719970060
>>719970658
Who do I believe
I really don't wanna pay any kind of subscription desu
doubly so because I'm a ps5 poorfag

>>719970478
>What's the ideal finishing up.point in 14 considering all I've read about Wuk Lamat or whoever shitting the bed
The end of Endwalker is considered to be the end of the "arc" that began with ARR, so probably there. Shadowbringers is the peak, and with any luck, then within the next year Shadowbringers will be included with the XIV Free Trial. Or maybe not. If we extrapolate on what has been occurring since the introduction of the Heavensward Free Trial, then by the end of Dawntrail, the Free Trial should include Shadowbringers, but maybe that's where they will draw the line, since everyone knows Shadowbringers is that good shit. Legitimately one of the best Final Fantasy narratives. You just have to play like 100-200 hours to get there.

>>719948789
>>719949341
>>719949280
>>719949198
>>719949237
So this is the power of J when hes left unchained...heh....

>>719970871
>it gets good 100-200hrs in
Fug
That's at least 2 months of ps plus
Plus ff14s subscription itself
Which is a Judaic as paying for the air you breathe

>>719970801
You can play it for free until you beat Stormblood. After Stormblood is Shadowbringers and then Endwalker. You only have to pay during those two expansions.

>>719970023
Here's the battle theme of FF16 then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPuSHq-Sl0M
It hurts that the game keeps crashing for me after the Dragon's Breath battle :(

>>719941398
FF15: An isolated nation protected by a ancient line of kings habors the Crystal gifted to mankind, while under guise of amnesty and with an olive branch marriage proposed, the empire from the outer world imposes its heretic order and invades the kingdom, killing the king while absconding with the Crystal, forcing the ill fated prince and his trusted retinue to go on the run. The prince now seeks a journey to reclaim his homeland, the Crystal and his throne.

>>719970801
There are nuggets of good to FFXIV, but overall it is a very, very poorly told story.
>the majority of cutscenes are acted out via awkward in-game emotes
>there are 1000 quests in the Main Scenario Questline, and they are not skippable (unless you pay)
>quests involve talking to an NPC, teleporting somewhere, talking to another NPC, teleporting back to where you were originally, talking again, the end, rinse repeat for 1000 quests
>you will have a 2-3 button rotation for probably the first hundred hours of playtime, no that's not a joke

If you were to translate FFXIV to a book (and you very easily could, the audio/visual qualities are exceptionally bare bones, except the music), it would be very, very poorly received, because the quality of storytelling outside of games is significantly higher.

>>719971097
>16
You're not really trying if you clicks

>>719959089
I would love to entertain this idea but ive seen time to time that people here, when wanting to criticize remake/rebirth in general, have no critical thinking. They just take events in a vacuum and just compare them directly, they dont take context or plotting in account, and if the remake did it exactly like the original, then it is good, otherwise it is bad. And even if its like the original, they still manage to find something that supposely "ruins everything". One pixel, one dialogue, something. There's always something.

>>719948728
>kingdom hearts convoluted shittery
Want to know why? It isn't some masterplan all along they unironically just made shit up after KH2. Just look at the ending states of KH1 and KH2
>KH1 : Story about Sora trying to find his friends, ends with him getting separated but with bittersweet hope
>KH2 : You reunite with your friends and beat the biggest bad of them all with your best friend. The story has completely concluded
So what do we get?
KH BBS, DDD, AND DAYS BROTHERRRR MAKE SOME SHIT UP WE GOTTA WRITE A NEW VILLAIN AND PLOT FOR KH3 TO HAPPEN AND FOR EVERYONE TO COME BACK FROM THE DEAD
KH3 : START ANOTHER FIGHT.
I can't even begin to imagine how fucking stupid KH4 is going to be if it doesn't get canned

>>719971229
*You want clicks

>>719971229
If I wat? You want to try that post again?

>>719971057
>>it gets good 100-200hrs in
Well, it gets as good (and better) than a typical Final Fantasy game 100-200 hours in. Up until then, it has moments where it's kinda good and you kinda care what's happening, but more often than not you do not give a fuck what is occurring and you're mostly just doing it so that you can get to more content. However, with Shadowbringers, the main driving force is the story and you genuinely want to see what happens next and you kinda want to skip the content so that you can just progress through the story faster.

>That's at least 2 months of ps plus
>Plus ff14s subscription itself
XIV's Free Trial includes all the way up to Stormblood and is infinite as long as you never start paying. As I said before, with any luck, then within a year or so Shadowbringers should be added to the Free Trial. That might be where they draw the line on the Free Trial though. Like, they know Shadowbringers is the expansion everyone knows as "the good one", so they might not ever add it to the Free Trial even though - going by the past - it should be added to the Free Trial near the end of Dawntrail.

>>719971057
I like the story from start to "finish". Some people only think Shadowbringers is good, but A Realm Reborn's story was great to me when it first came out. It helped big time that no other MMO had a story like this before. It was the first MMO I ever reached level cap in because of the story. And most of the game is free to play. >>719971073

You'll have to pay for PS+ the whole time tho

>>719949986
>>719950178
>>719964484
>>719964915

only a trannoid seethes over xv because it's fundamentally better than anything before or after it

>>719971307
>>719971294
I swear I'm not Indian

>>719943630
xv has the only ff world where you can actually do stuff in it, and it has the strongest core vibes of the entire franchise

Pack it up, Ba7ry is here
Thanks for thread lads it was a good one

>>719971359
Go away, Barry

>>719946954
isekai with a furry party member so ff10
schoolkids so ff8 or ff type0

>>719971462
Go to bed Barry it's 2:44am in Melbourne

>>719971236
Then you haven't been reading the threads very thoroughly. There are many, many good critiques from many, many people about 7R. I will give you one of mine, from right at the beginning of the game.

During the first bombing mission, the original has the player blow up the reactor, causing severe damage. One of the great things the remake does it to show you the civilian damage you have done, and make you question whether that was correct.
Unfortunately, that is all undercut by a very, very stupid change. The bomb you planted wasn't what caused the reactor to explode quite so violently - Shinra did it themselves, as a false flag operation against Avalanche.
All this accomplishes is to show us that Shinra - the evil megacorporation - are actually SUPER DUPER evil, willing to kill civilians in order to achieve their goals. I wonder if a later event in the game already demonstrates that?
In addition, this removes the moral ambiguity of our heroes. Are they really heroes? They are willing to make real world sacrifices in order to achieve their goal of saving the planet, and I'll also add that whether or not Mako reactors harm the planet isn't actually thoroughly demonstrated (although kind of obvious) until later. All we see that they do is create power for people in a very dangerous world, which lets them live their lives.

The change is ultimately not bad because it deviates from the original. In fact, the change to show more of the destruction in Midgar is one I wholeheartedly endorse. The change is bad because it actively undermines the overall scene and seeks instead to cast our heroes as unambigiously good and the villains as unambigiously bad.

If you want a change that goes the other way, perhaps we should lean into a different angle. Shinra allows people to live on Gaia without dying to monsters constantly. There technology is life-saving in so, so many ways, a thread which is never really discussed in the original.

16 sucked, but it was a 10/10 compared to 15.

>>719948789
hope you're ready for ff7 advent children in ff7r3
they just made new advent children cg models
plus ever crisis has advent children game models for enemies, environments and characters being added, all the ever crisis character, environment and enemy models are down scaled versions of ff7r, ff7 rebirth and ff7rp3 game models

>>719971835
>All this accomplishes is to show us that Shinra - the evil megacorporation - are actually SUPER DUPER evil, willing to kill civilians in order to achieve their goals. I wonder if a later event in the game already demonstrates that?
I'll add onto this that the shock of the plate collapse is completely undercut because we already know Shinra is willing to accept mass civilian casualties in the Remake. They do it right at the start. That is bad storytelling.

>>719943542
Maybe if you're impotent.

>>719971939
FF16 won't let me get past the 2nd mothercrystal so it wants me to leave with good memories before it sucks I guess

>>719971952
Was wondering how they'd get 200 plus hours out of "cloud goes schizo, get the huge materia, go to the northern cave, maybe fight the weapons"
There you go
Ff7r3 is going completely off the rails
Shan't be buying either way

>>719953378
15 has more of ff1 in it than 16 does you retarded faggot
16 is dogshit
15 is a masterpiece in comparison

>>719971952
If Advent Children is part of the 7Rs, I will finally pick them up. I don't even think that's a good idea, and I don't think AC is good. But I'd 100% want to play it lol.

>>719971835
I actually like that but it was presented wrongly.
In the remake version, Avalanche bomb didnt do shit, and Shinra willingly escalated when they didnt have to.
I would have written it like Avalanche bomb ACTUALLY destroyed the reactor functionality and effectively succeeded. And Shinra, seeing that the reactor is useless anyway, decided to escalate things further, because he needs the people's favor if he wants to properly rule/destroy wutai/get people to Neo midgar.
As it is, Avalanche seems like incompetent, and President shinra waay to evil.

>>719971985
That was already in sector 5 bombing. Shinra could have done something to stop Avalanche, they didnt and they let Avalanche walk free into the trap.

>>719972147
So why didn't you Platinum the dlcs
Too hard or just bad content

>>719971952
Sounds good to me, it means I'll get to see more of the characters. What else do you need?

>>719954406
15 is a 9/10 minimum
16 is a 2/10 maximum
14 is a 1/10

>>719972147
>no u

>>719941398
>>719941027 (OP)
Why is final fantasy so antichrist bros?

>>719972252
GO TO BED
IT'S 3AM

>>719972306
cuz japan

>>719972306
That's just jrpgs

I'm playing through 5 now, is this game ridiculously hard or am I just playing it wrong?
I died like three times to the Garula boss before I beat him with a good job combo and now Shiva is absolutely kicking my ass.
I've been switching jobs every two levels or so, is that too much? Should I just stick with one job?
I'm starting to miss how brainless 4 was...

>>719971985
that's a really good point. there as so many small changes that you hardly notice but they add up to making things feel weightless. plate fall in remake had practically no impact.
I also suspect this is intentional so you don't hate reno and rude too much so they could become cuddly comedy characters later on.

>>719941398
15 and 16 have better told stories than all of the previous FFs.

>>719972246
>MORE JAWS?!? I GET TO SEE MORE SHARK?!? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME POGCHAMP
Disgusting consumer

>>719972427
the rare barry/16kun hybrid

>>719958198
every mainline ff is on steam
every mainline ff besides 11, 13 and 16 are on ps4
every mainlin ff besides 11 and 13 is playable on ps5
every mainline ff is on xbox series s/x, 11 and 13 playable via bc

switch is still missing 11, 13, 14, main 15, it has pocket edition 15 instead, and 16
7r is coming to switch 2 so 7r2 and 15 will likely also get ported next year

>>719959089
Unfortunately, this has proven itself to be the case time and time again.

>>719972412
There are other glaring issues with the plate collapse as well. Jessie gets an incredibly long, drawn out death scene that goes on forever, right when we need to actually leave her because the plate is about to drop. We can't hang around to talk to her, but of course we do. It's like a shitty Hollywood film. In the original, she has 2 lines of dialogue while collapsed part way up the tower.

Want to change it? The party gets to Jessie, she's injured, she tells you to go on, she'll be ok. You go a few floors up, big explosion, tower sways a little. Go another floor up, over the radio of one of the Shinra grunts you're fighting (during gameplay, not a cutscene), you hear someone say "That crazy girl with the bandana took herself and a whole squadron out", or something to that effect. Ultimate payoff on Jessie's bombmaking, and she didn't accidentally make it too big and bring the whole tower down, just enough to slow down the Shinra troops.

Anyway, back to reality. You owe me a pizza.

>>719964484
fake fan detected
versus was always a roadtrip like xv
it delivered everything versus promised

>>719972859
GO TO BED

>>719965354
there are things to like about them, but they are not what i would describe as good.

>>719972427
I love the gameplay of 16, and the beginning of the story has so much promise, but I fucking hate how hard it falls off after cid dies. The characters are motivational black holes, the dialogue is insipid, all the politics, factions, and intrigue are just immediately dropped. It's hard to describe how empty and lifeless the world becomes. It's like watching S1 of GoT, then jumping straight to S7 and 8. I want to believe in future final fantasies but they've got to get a motherfucking WRITER in the room over there.

>>719971510
Eat my shit xvitroon

>>719958198
I was gonna say this is the case for every single Playstation console up to the PS3, but I forgot they adamantly refused to release FFIII until the DS remake.
What was up with that?

>>719971649
>>719971875
>>719971939
Go 41% yoshitpiss fag

16 is the worst dogshit ever made

>>719973120
wtf is 41%?

>>719946954
IX, probably. Fun chibi adventure but actually it’s about death and being forgotten and stuff.

>>719971939
16 is worse than 15.
FF16 is a 2/10. The visuals and the music are doing all the heavy lifting but it's an utter DOGSHIT story, this is the writing of a fucking 10 year old.
The way there's just these constant coincidences and shit like, oh they arrived at the city and it just so happens that's the night Dion stage his rebellion, or like, oh just so happens when they come back to fix the ship that's when the gates bust down and the Akashic come through the gates and also Sleipnir is there again. Fucking Clive loses his whole entire family, his whole entire life, living day by day with no personality, hopes or dreams apart from finding out who killed his brother (turns out it was him but also not really), and then in the space of fucking FIVE minutes finds his long lost "sister", forsakes his whole station, kills his squad mates, meets someone who recognizes him for the first time, and that person just so happens to have his fucking DOG from when he was a kid, this happens literally FIVE fucking minutes after the fucking flash forward.
I can't even say it had good characters because it really didn't, at best there was Dion but he has barely any screentime, Cid was ok but was a fucking moron, there was no good villain and any villain that could've been good was killed right when they were about to get interesting. There was no interplay between the pathetic excuse for a party, Jill was just a whole nothing character for the whole game, there was no chemistry between her and Clive, and shit like when Joshua reunites with Clive he doesn't even ask anything like "where the fuck where have you been?, Why didn't you try to find me?".
The characters don't make decisions that make any amount of sense, they're not engaged in the story, they're not exploring their options, they're not thinking or talking, they're just nothing, they're just vessels to move the plot forward, it's like a bunch of school kids larping on the playground. This story was absolute dogshit

>>719973298
>The visuals and the music are doing all the heavy lifting but it's an utter DOGSHIT story, this is the writing of a fucking 10 year old.
name a final fantasy game that this doesnt apply to
>protip: you cant

>>719973027
I could write a pretty strong FF.

>>719973298
tldr
16 is better
15 sucks even harder than 16 or 13. crazy how bad it is

Threads over lads pack it up
go HAM, vay cation doesn't worry me https://x.com/_bazztek?lang=en

>>719972230
I did plat 15

why didn't you even play ff16 on ps5 despite shilling it for a year when it was only on ps5

>>719973298
>Has cities to explore
It has one city.
ONE.
>oh but Altissia
Basically only exists for the colosseum.

>>719972296
No argument I win

>>719972827
To their credit, very few deny it and openly admit they would buy any game with these characters regardless of its quality
>>719972839
A lot of jarring tones that hit harder once you give the world a "realistic" look

>>719972309
Go to death you're a troon

>>719973504
You didn't Platinum the dlcs
Reading comprehension Ba7ry

>>719973571
Yes, you didn't have an argument. You just reworded what I said, but in favor of 15.

>>719972935
I know that you're 12 years old because you cocksuck ff16 while spouting shit about hype moments and aura, but people in the real world dont have bedtimes, also I literally just woke up after sleeping for 12 hours

Barry thinks the people who say 16 is better like 16 because he likes 15. They both suck, but 15 sucks more. Way more.

>>719973441
>all that seethe posting September 3rd
Holy shit bazztek is unhinged

>>719973352
15 has better writing than any rpg

FFVII is so highly regarded because, at the end of the day and despite how fantastical it actually is, it still is the most relatable entry in the series for the common man.

>>719973298
You forgot
XVI
>no blatant shilling for real life brands
>you don't need to watch a movie to get a grasp on its female lead
XV
>blatant shilling for real life brands
>need to watch a movie so Lunafreya has more than 5 minutes of screentime (bonus point: you actually get to see Ravus's backstory too which isn't in the game)

>>719973751
>defending a shit video game at 3am your time is "mature"
Holy shit Barry
14, 15 and 16 are all absolute dog shit
Please stop "stumbling across" 4chan as a whole

>>719943423
Suck a nigger dick

>goes off on Neif for being racist
>is transphobic himself
Never change BarryBazztek

>>719945392
You're referring to Doga, Unei and Xande, right? See, I know my shit

I love how unapologetically anime FF7 was.
The 1990s was a great decade to be a weeb.

>>719973298
>16 is worse than 15.
eternal reminder

>>719973441
>33.4k tweets
I don't think I've even posted a third as many posts on 4chan and am a '08 newfag

>>719973431
then why is 15 higher rated and better selling than both 16 and 13?

"FF was never good"

>>719958198
too bad the FF9 switch port is unplayable

Thoughts on the original beta version of FF10 that we never got?

>>719973441
Looks like he is btfoing you tards since he's living rent free

When's your game coming out
Looks neat

>>719974702
>/v/ cites games urinalists and sales numbers as proof of taste
this is how I know you fags are from r/games
reminder that troons and tankies deserve the rope

>>719974807
>rent free
>20 tweets a day seething about Nomura, Yoshi P, ff16, ff 14, KH, random game FAQs users from 10 years ago
>"he's"
It's (you) shitskin
GO TO BED

>>719974801
I like it.

>>719973751
>slept 12 hours and woke up at 3am
Jesus fucking christ get your life together you slob

>>719974801
Where's this pic from
Any moar

>>719948789
checked and verified: 100% true

>>719948789
>100hr VN set in a bar
>basically the bar section in Catherine with multiple missable characters and arcs
You need to update your pasta because this unironically sounds based

>>719974801
Neat, this looks a fair bit weirder than what we got.

>>719975481
>change the pasta because this part is accurate
huh?

>>719974801
Looks cool, unique. They should lean back into that with 17, enough with the "realism"

>>719975575
Because you say 100hrs in a bar like it's a bad thing
It would be a kino VN
Look at Catherine
You're supposed to provide negative examples when shitting on ff7 comp consoooooomers (which I agree with)

>>719975752
if you can think of a game idea shit enough to put off 7sloppers I'd love to hear it

>>719973564
altissia
lestallum
insomnia
on top of locations like galdin quay, meldacio hq, prarie outpost, cauthess, hammerhead, wiz chocobo post, old lestallum, caem, tenebrae

things to do in altissia
>walk and and explore
>buy stuff from the many stores and and people selling stuff from weapon to items to food ingredients to accessories etc
>the oracle ascension coin trader where you can finally use all the oracle ascension coins you've been getting all game to trade for rare stuff
>take on hunts for unique fights in the city at night and a unique boss chardanook from the painting
>fish around the city
>take on goldola rides
>multiple photo op spots
>multiple minigames
>the monster colluseum
>a fuckton of unique party dialog just by walking around the city and interacting with stuff
>ton of npc dialog pertaining to the story including foreshadowing ravus's heel turn against niflheim
>as well as main story sequences such as with altissisas political leader and luna scenes
>fight niflheim soldiers and MTs
>the entire leviathan boss fight set piece teleporting acrosd debris and in the air as well as swim in the water during the fight
>lunas entire death sequence
>ride the royal boat manually

>as well as the entirety of episode ignis where you
>first get to play as ignis
>swim around as ignis
>fight off niflheim soldiers using ignis's elemental daggers
>grapple hook onto rooftops and run around jumping from rooftop to rooftop across the city, as a war is unleashed between titan and the enemy empire
>fight off mechs and coerls while uncovering the conspiracy that niflheim is plotting
>ride the speedboat up to titan while hell is breaking lose against niflheim forces and then engage caligo in a boss fight where he finay dies at the hands of ravus
>team up with ravus and fight against the onslaught of niflheim forces
>sleuthe around taking out mechs
>uncovering more about ravus
>fight ravus
>going blind againt ardyn

that's more than you ever do in midgar

>>719973668
You really have no argument, that's how I easily won

>>719973645
I did plat 15

why didn't you even play ff16 on ps5 despite shilling it for a year when it was only on ps5

>ba7ry
are you getting your boogeyman mixed up?
ba7ry is the 7r shill

>>719973787
no
16 sucks while 15 is the best ff
only 16troons pretend otherwise

I liek Fnal Fantas end no matter how much you shtiters want to birng it down I still liek it
Doesn't mean square dont puct down shitty games ever since ff10

>>719973981
I accept your concession

>>719974053
blame Nomura for that retard
like it even fucking matters

you also don't need to watch anything outside xv to understand xv main story
luna does more in base xv than jill ever does in xvi despite jill having screentime for 70% of the game

>>719976470
Why didn't you Platinum the DLC's
THE D.L.C.s
Ba7ry is your nickname given how much you seethe about anything Nomura
You're so tired you can't even read.
GO TO BED

>>719974067
you're the one cocksucking xvi here yoshitpissfag

>stumbling
oh look the phrase the yoshitpissfag us obsessed with but you're totally not one now just because
fucking gook

I'm drunk and I just bought both FF12 Zodiac Age and TO Reborn. Fuck me in the ass.
damn

>>719974407
>Anime mostly available on specific VHS tapes with terrible English dubs and translations
>Most stuff on TV was shounen garbage
>Limited toilet paper editions of manga with even more terrible English translations
>Most anime games available only in Japan. Never published in the West
>Extremely small niche fanbase with zero good organized events

Not really. The 90s were a barren desert if you were a weeb living in the West. The 2000s were a great decade for being a weeb. The fanbase of people who generally liked Jap stuff became a lot bigger, and as a result, we got a lot more stuff published, localized, and available in the West. You had fuck ton of great weeb games like Persona 3, Shadow Hearts 2, Digital Devil Saga, Dot Hack, FF10, and many others. You also had a great era of anime with amazing, varied, and experimental series like Death Note, Stand Alone Complex, Code Geass, Monster, Haruhi Suzumiya, Eureka Seven, and many others that you could watch not only on many TV stations like Toonami but also on the internet with decent subs. The manga market became a lot bigger and professional, while at the same time not being oversaturated with too many mainstream series. Don't even let me start on internet forums and fandom events. That shit was fire

>>719976780
Yeah. I remember going to a rental store and being overlwhelmed by that many weeb shit available. It was a good time.
>captcha: t. gay (lmaaao)

>>719974284
Your boogeyman doesn't exist here

>>719974524
15 is better than 16
also fan rating for 15 is higher there and it only had like 10 critic reviews most which gave it a C score which gets counted as rotten for some reason

>>719976884
Didm't hate 15 but never felt the combat was rewarding
16 is a shitty devil may cry clone with MMO cooldowns
trying to pitch 15 aginst 16 is kinda dumb but I respect your opoinion anyway
i personally cant say i preferred 15 over 16 and vice versa, although YokoShimomoura score is better than soken's.

>this is the gaming ability and taste of someone who thinks xv is good
Why'd it take you 6 months to Platinum XV Ba7ry?
Bad at the game?
It was mid slop you had to force yourself to finish?
Why didn't you Platinum the dlc's?
Were they just worse than the base game?
I thought they added insight in to the bland boy band party members?

GOT TO BED IT'S 4AM

>>719976724
>calls Neif racist for saying nigger
>drops gook

>>719976734
Zodiac Age is pretty fun though

>>719974801
You mean when it wasn't a Final Fantasy but instead was a new IP called "17|SEVEN TEEN (仮) Angelic Impact X Devils Shock"

I think the original Tidus designed by Naora looks better than the redesign by Nomura when it became FFX

>>719977063
Has Barry ever finished any game other than XV?
I can't tell by this trophy list. Did he finish Remake or KHIII?

>>719977172
Damn, is that an AI art? looks identical to the real thing
Also, I was never a ff12 hater anyway, and since I read zodiac version has a turbo function the grind might be fine.

>>719974982
those are fan ratings not journo scores you retard

>>719974985
>talking about a product for a series you like
vs
>you obsessing over 1 random twitter guy
yet here you are letting him live rent free

>>719977290
He private-ed it after getting butthurt on /v/
Finished ff7r from what I remember
I guess Nomura slop wasn't that bad after all

>>719975183
its the weekend

>>719977372
>10 mentions of Bazztek (you) ITT
VS
>33,400 tweets, all shitting and pissing themselves about shitty games that no one cares about anymore and dick sucking one game everyone thinks is shit

IT'S 4AM

>>719976123
This is actually really difficult

>>719976734
Based. Use xeavin mods for FFXII if you have a nexus account. Some stuff like the bazaar bug fix is essential imo. Fair warning though, quick casting can make some endgame bosses much harder

>>719976670
why do you keep pretending like platting the dlcs is platting main game
why do you keep deflecting from answering the fact that you havn't even PLAYED ff16 despite shills it here for over 2 years now
ba7ry is 7rkun you retard

>>719977459
>going to bed at 3pm and waking up at 3am to shitpost on 4chan is okay because it's the weekend
Pic rel

>>719977063
Why are you yoshitpissfags so retarded
ba7ry is 7rkun not your barry boogeyman
why havn't you even PLAYED xvi yet despite shilling it for years?
that image also shows the plat for ff15 is obtained so what the fuck are you even crying about retard?

>>719977759
Here you absolute fucking retard
>>719972230
This is the first comment, I only asked you about the dlc's

I know you Platinum'ed the base game, it took you 6 months

Either because you're shit at games

Or 15 is shit

>>719974801
Looks a lot cooler than the final game imo. I really like this more technological setting, darker art style, and sleeker sci-fi designs. The soldier lady looks really cool and cute. I also like this a lot more mature and down to earth take on Tidus

>>719977140
I'm not your boogeyman

>>719977748
i tried sarching for them but I'm shit faced rn
what is baaar bug fix and xeavin mods?
I'm aware ff12 had a bazaar/¢craft system based on what you managed to rng drop from some mobs.

>>719977290
for ff related games Barry has finished

>ff1
>ff2
>ff3
>ff4
>ff5
>watched ff5 anime
>ff6
>ff7
>ff7cc
>ff7dc
>ff7r
>watched ff7 ac and acc
>watched ff7 anime
>read all 8 ff7 canon novels
>ff8
>ff9
>ff10
>ff10-2
>read ff10-2.5 canon novel
>ff11+ xpacs
>ff12
>ff12za
>ff13
>ff13-2 plus dlc
>ff13-3 lr
>listened to ff13 drama cds
>read ff13, ff13-2 and LRFF13 canon novels
>ff14+xpacs
>ff15+dlc
>watched ff15 bh and kg
>read the non canon ff15 novel
>ff16 plus dlc
>read ff16 ultimania
>ff adventure aka 1st mana game
>ff crystal chronicles
>ffcc rof and eot
>ff tactics
>ff tactics advance
>ff ta2
>ff3 3d remake
>ff4 3d remake
>ff12 RW
>ff Type-0
>ff explorers
>woff
>ffo sop
>kh1
>kh1fm
>kh2
>kh2fm
>khcom
>khrecom
>khbbs
>khbbsfm
>kh358/2 days
>khrecoded
>kh ddd
>khux
>kh0.2
>watched khx backcover
>watched kh 358/2 days and recoded movie versions
>kh3
>kh3 remind
>kh mom


meanwhile xvi-kun hasn't played any ff yet worships yoshitpiss

>>719977664
>33k tweets over the span of 13 years, which includes retweets being the majority of that count
are you retarded
you've sperged over barry more in this thread already

>>719978858
I know for a fact that Barry hasn't finished most of these.

>>719955357
>once this question arose
I see no questions though?

>>719977664
if nobody cares about it why are you triggered over everyone liking xv more than most other FFs

>>719979054
Well then don't worry about it. The pasta remains factual.

>>719978040
Literally no one else on the internet defends ff15 as much, as often and with the exact same writing style and pure seethe for Nomura, Yoshi P, 14, 16, KH and FF7r

Literally no one.
No one cares about any of these games any more. Including 15 as well.
Just (you)
Everyone knows it's you Bazztek.
You just pretend you're not racist or homophobic on twitter so you don't get banned, everything else is the exact same writing style and content.

IT'S 4:30AM
GO TO BED
SHIT UP TWITTER INSTEAD

>>719979013
>an average of 7 Tweets per day, going by these stats
Is that normal? I'm not a faggot so I don't use Twitter. 7 seems kind of like a lot to me.

>>719977819
yet here you are

>>719978858
Totally not Barry posting this btw
Un-private your psn and prove it

>>719979127
I mean if by factual you mean it showcases how successful writing good characters matters over plot/narrative.
Expedition 33 won't be remembered in a year's time because none of the characters are memorable in any way.

>>719977983
Why have you PLAYED 16 or is it too shit despite you shillimg it
you claim your boogeyman didnt llay the dlc yet the main quests in the dlc were done, who fucking cares about plats?

why haven't you EVEN PLAYED ff16 despite shilling it you fuck stain?

>>719941027 (OP)
FF5 was the best FF.

>>719979178
It's 1:30pm here retard

>>719979154
I'm not the guy you initially replied to
Can't you read?

>>719978858
>Barry is now falsely claiming to have played XI, XIV, and XVI along with a litany of other games
kek

I guess this proves that the only game he's ever finished is XV

>>719979287
16 IS Shit Barry, never giving Squeenix money after 15.

>>719979154
>n-nobody else praises xv over xvi even though its higher rated than xvi every platform
Keep telling yourself that Yoshitpissfag

>>719979352
GO TO BED BARRY
SUN WILL BE UP SOON

>>719979250
True. If a bad game released next month with the ff7 cast in it, we'd both definitely play it. If a bad ff7 movie came out next month we'd both watch it. We can't say no to those great characters.

>>719979159
7 is miniscule especially when most of it is retweeting fanart for a bunch of games and anime

>>719979445
No, no one talks about 13, 15, 16 anymore

And they just talk about how shit 14 is now. (Which is true).

Only (you) talk about 15.

Poor Barry. If XV had been good and well liked by Final Fantasy fans, maybe he could have been the good guy rather than the bad guy

>>719979250
Nothing you said refutes the pasta, in fact you're proving it right

>>719979547
He briefly "won" after 16 flopped and 14 went down the shitter
But then he kept acting like an obnoxious retard and converted it into an L for lolcow

>>719979612
I'm not trying to refute it, I'm calling it factual. Everything I say about it is in agreement.

>>719947578
Godspeed, anon.

>>719979484
Objectively this can be a true case as characters (people) can make anything objectively good or objectively bad. For instance the new God of War games, for instance, may have great gameplay or even a great story, but with the way they massacred Kratos no one actually takes the games seriously and it hurt the brand for it.
In the case of Final Fantasy 7 (and I'd even argue six) the characters were written well enough that they do end up carrying a franchise of it.
Final Fantasy 8, 13, and 15 seemingly have terrible characters and thus those games end up being objectively bad for it because no one can connect to the characters so they end up being objectively bad even though, for some reason, everyone and their mother loves triple triad.
what you seem to be very...upset about...is Final Fantasy 7's popularity and criticize people for keeping the franchise going because of the well written characters which make up for any seemingly negative things you have to say about it (which you never do but passive-aggressively post it over and over).
So I have to ask you this: Why do you hate Final Fantasy 7?

>>719979547
Given his personality and likely autism
He'd just be another obnoxious ff6/7 fan if ff15 was actually good

>>719979612
I'm refuting the fact that he created one of the best shitposts I've ever seen in my life because no one can identify that he is being completely passive aggressive in his disdain for Final Fantasy 7 with it.

>>719941027 (OP)
FF xv: Giga Shilled unfinished faggot gay fujobait game featuring Not Sasuke uchiha vs some fedora faggot from assassin's creed and there's a time skip after lunafreya dies and everyone dies in the in bravo Noland
FFXIV: woke game of thrones copy featuring more grimdark rape, browns, and ugly hags and the twist is extremely obvious from the start featuring combat from devil may cry also the writing is even more boring and sterile also Giga Shilled

>>719979878
He doesn't
He hates the compilation for poor writing
Like anyone sane does

>>719980028
BASED
Barry literally can't fathom anyone hating 14, 16 and 15 at the same time. Which most normal people do. You're either camp Tabata or camp Yoshi.

Thoughts on 13

>>719979878
>>719979973
If you want to tell us that you would not buy or watch a new bad FF7 game or movie that comes out next month, go ahead.
But you would. Because you like the characters. That's fine, but it also proves the pasta is right. You know that. And you don't like that. But that's the bottom line, and you can either accept it and say "sure, I'll play a shit FF7 game to see more of the characters, so what?" or you can piss and moan and seethe and try your best to spin it into some other argument because you refuse to accept it.

So?
Would you play a bad FF7 game to see the characters? Would you watch a bad FF7 movie to see the characters? Go ahead and say no to prove the past wrong if that's what you want to do.

>>719980349
Holy based

Ffix fags are cucks
Beatrix is a Mary Sue cunt

>>719980349
>Would you play a bad FF7 game to see the characters?
Nope. I played FF7R, got it refunded on Amazon, then never played Regurgitation or whatever the sequel is called.

Compilation of FF7 is DOGSHIT

>>719980264
Final hallway simulator with sexy looking girls
Something something le cie
The game's playing itself
Something something the second game doesn't matter
Worship the producer's waifu tolberone
HURTS MY HANDS

oof...

>>719980618
Okay then. Sounds like you're sane and don't have fanboy brainrot. If you don't like compilation, no need to complain about someone else calling it bad.

>>719980349
Not pasta anon but

Played og ff7 for Christmas 97, loved it

Watched advent children (for free, pirated), story was shit, cg was good, fights were epic to 12 year old me

Boughted crisis core, which wasn't entirely terrible
Focus was on Zack, who had no character in og ff7

Didn't buy Dirge, because it looked like shit even though I'm a Vincent chad

No idea about the mobile games and shit, gacha is for fucking degenerates

Bought and played 10 hrs of FF7 remake, dropped it for being unrepentant dog shit, "more time with the characters" be fucking damned.

Not touching Stillbirth with a twenty foot pole after that shit show.

Jack's game is the only good modern FF

>>719979326
It's 2:54 in the Philippines (where you are) fucking moron

>>719980696
16 bombed because everyone regretted buying 15
Same thing will happen to the next monster hunter after Wilds

Good sales for a shit game,
Shit sales for the next game, regardless if it's good.

>>719979360
XVI-kun you havn't even played xvi despite having shilled it for years

>>719981051
Nope.
Chicago
Unless

>>719979535
then why is 15 talked about everywhere in praise while people only shit on 16 for any mention of it?

>>719981154
I'm on vacation there
Post hand Barry, we know you're brown

>>719979547
XV is good and well liked, its amomg most popular ff and is the best selling ff in the last 20 years

>>719981213
>1 hour autistic rant about ff15
>account in Australia
>Literally 3 videos
Hmmmmm
New alt methinks

>>719980925
I'm glad to hear others here have some sense.

>>719980028
nothing about 15 here is true

>>719980264
nice try xvi-kun

>>719981360
None of this is true.

>>719981360
So 9, Crisis Core and X are all better than 15.
I agree.

next.nexusmods.com/profile/Xeavin/mods?gameId=2304
>>719978595
Here

>>719981462
16 is shit.

No ff past 13-2 is good.

You can make me a new bogeyman if ypu want Barry.

"13-2kun"

Except I don't sperg out about all day like you and 15

IT'S 5AM BARRY
SUN'S ALMOST UP
GO TO BED

>>719981075
>immediately deflects to 15
wanna explain why ff15 got a 2nd round of dlc via ardyn dlc and royal dlc due to fan demand for more dlc after the first round of 2017 sold so well and was highly evaluated amongst fans?

wanna explain why ff15 is the best selling ff on steam?
wanna explain how ff15 kept on selling while ff16 stopped selling immediately?

ff16 was in bargain bins quicker than any ff ever too so low price isn't it either

>>719981402
>i liked remake but i liked rebirth even more
lol
lmao

>>719981217
>posts incel arm
lol

Reminder that Barry spent almost an entire year of his life manually creating between 3-6k fake metacritic accounts to leave fake reviews on XV and XVI in an attempt to raise XV's score while simultaneously lowering XVI's score, because he couldn't stand that XVI was naturally rated higher.

>>719981714
15 sold because of sales and people getting tricked by journalists, plus the good work of Final Fantasy 4, 6, 7, 9, X.

15 is the monster hunter wilds of final fantasy

>>719981857
"Incel arm"
It's called being white and hating ff15.

Post your brown arm Barry
You won't

>>719941027 (OP)
>FF4
Oooh, so that's where FFXIV stole all its ideas

>>719981874
This is what he does because he doesn't play video games. Outside of 6 months to Platinum ff15 and not Platinum any of the dlcs

Just
Tweet
Sperg on 4chan
Create sock puppets
Eat hot chip
And lie

>>719981813
Others felt the same way, but not enough to improve rebirth sales. What a shame.

>>719982127
14 is just member berries

>>719981394
>rant
>video is praising xv for 1 hour 50 mins

>video shitting on xvi by a completely different person uploaded in the same week is as long as your average movie too

nice cope xvi-kun

why are these ff15 moveset and combat videos uploaded in 2024 from AFTER the ff16 moveset and combat videos were uploaded and is generating more views, interest, comments and likes than the ff16 moveset vids by a single channel account?

>>719980925
If I agree with you, someone will get upset at me, but not you. Do you think that's odd?