Thread 720064465

> https://news.gamebase.com.tw/news/detail/99435494
>Originally, 6.0 was meant to focus on the Garlean Empire. However, 5.0's reception exceeded our expectations, so we decided to condense the Empire's storyline to allow for greater developments.

We were going to get a full fantasy WW1 expansion as the Eorzean Alliance invaded Garlemald but people loved Ishikawas fujoshi bait and old man yaoi so much that it caused the entire direction of the game to pivot away from what made ARR such a hit in favour of the path that lead to Dawntrail instead.

I have never felt so disappointed.

>>720064465 (OP)
>PR man says PR things for PR
shut the fuck up, yuckshit piss is a scam artist
>>>/vg/

Behead all Garleaboos

>>720064576
Glory be to Garlemald Alamigger.

>>720064563
u mad

>>720064465 (OP)
You're all caught up to 4 years ago, great job

All that ended up doing was rushing the Garlemald story and then rushing EW altogether. Leaving us with the 13th/ff4 plot that should also have been its own expansion.

They are making the same mistake with the Ninth/Alexandria.

>No loporrits
>No ancientwank
>No time travel bullshit
>No space otters called grebuloffs because Kate thought it sounded le reddit quircky
>Just an actual war between the heroes and villains established in the original trailer
But then that hag emet selch had to win over the gays.

>>720065315
>The cope that the SECRET in fanfest art was shalooani was Whalauqee land and a legion went rogue and stole the land for cerulium and the second half of Dawntrail would be "neo garlemald".

S-so smiiillllleeee and let the rainbow siiing....

Heres what you do:
>8.0 or 9.0 launches
>One of the zones is Corvus or another large province
>A legion put up walls ala Bealsars wall, closed the gates and went full north korea
>Tell the people not to believe eorzean propaganda that the emperor is dead and garlemald fell
>We have to team up with Julus and the popularis to infiltrate this "Neo Garlemald" to try and solve this situation.
>Ticking clock element is the Garleans dug up some allegan super weapons and have a young kid from the Tia clan who was born with the Red eyes a few decades early because of Grahas old man soul bullshit and they want to use him as a master key and theres too many of these weapons they could launch all at once for the Scions to stop them if they all get out.
>The largest of which is a chained up giant monster of a weapon called Vegnagun.

>>720064465 (OP)
There's something about this that just doesn't line up.
How was 6.0 changed due to positive reception to 5.0 when in 5.0 they kill off both Varis and Emet/Solus?
Would it really have been Zenos as the main antagonist again? In Shadowbringers it seems like his main goal had already become absorbing Zodiark, so how were they planning on having a Zenos story that follows up on that without also concluding Zodiark?

>>720064465 (OP)
Are you the faggot who keeps whining about Garlemald

>>720064465 (OP)
He said that in a live letter before 6.0 even came out, we've known that for years.

>>720066112
>How was 6.0 changed due to positive reception to 5.0 when in 5.0 they kill off both Varis and Emet/Solus?
>Would it really have been Zenos as the main antagonist again?
Yes? Varis's death was necessary to set up Anima being summoned out of his corpse. The first few levels of EW were the Garlemald expansion story condensed. Ishikawa confirmed that Anima would have been the final boss.
>so how were they planning on having a Zenos story that follows up on that without also concluding Zodiark?
He still would have been aiming for the moon and going for Zodiark, it just would have happened later. All they did was condense the intended story.

>>720066212
Always has been

>>720066112
Did you skip the cutscenes in Ivalice and Bozja? -not being rude genuinely asking- because there was a LOT of stuff about how the empire was falling into civil war with different houses claiming they were the true heirs and some legions just peaces the fuck out to go rule one of the provincial kingdoms as an independant feifdom.

Remember Zenos in Stormblood and Shadowbringers was set up as little more than a left over unifinished project by Solus from his genetic engineering in the womb, to his artificial echo, to the whole "what difference is there between him and an ascian now" stuff like being unable to die and body hop. He was never the next emperor leading a military. He was a wild dog to cause trouble.

>>720066384
That seems like it would have been shit honestly, literally Stormblood 2.0
I think they just realized that they can't keep doing this back and forth of stakes between a high stakes fantasy concept expansion and then a lower stakes war with Garlemald expansion that kills all of the story's momentum.
So they wisened up and had Endwalker escalate off of Shadowbringers.

>>720064465 (OP)
Honestly good that it didn't happen because the Garlemald part actually felt well paced and impactful, the Empire has been effectively over since Varis's death in the patches, but it also allowed them not to drag out the whole Unsundered saga for another 2-3 years which would've just been annoying.
Garlemald hadn't been interesting for years anyways, they were just the big evil facist faction we beat up, finding them after they completely destroyed themselves after infighting (as such factions tend to do) actually did something interesting with them.

>>720066830
>I think they just realized that they can't keep doing this back and forth of stakes between a high stakes fantasy concept expansion and then a lower stakes war with Garlemald expansion
HW was lower stakes than SB. It was a local conflict. It's only ShB that suddenly escalated everything.

>>720064465 (OP)
Should've liked Ala Mhigo more than Doma. Then Oda would've been promoted to Scenario Writer instead of Ishikawa.

how would (you) fix FFXIV?

>>720066830
>That seems like it would have been shit honestly, literally Stormblood 2.0
it genuinely would've and kneecapped the overarching pacing, which is why they condensed it into just part of EW.
>So they wisened up and had Endwalker escalate off of Shadowbringers.
exactly, its like how they brough up the Warriors of Darkness in HW patches and then that thread got paused for SB, lots of people either forgot or just found it pointless until ShB was announced

>>720067170
Turn it into a mobile game made for China.

>>720066924
>HW was lower stakes than SB
>fighting giant dragons and a godlike primal that outsmarts the Ascians in a story about uncovering a millenia old conspiracy that was the catalyst for the whole war
vs
>the 57th conflict with Garlemald in the middle of the desert helmed by a random fight autist
Ok anon.

>>720066919
Varis died in the ending of 5.0, not in the patches, which is why I think this is bullshit. They would've had to pivot way earlier (during early 4.x) if they wanted to have an entire Garlemald expansion with Varis at the helm. They decide on the general story beats years in advance, which means they'd already decided by the time ShB launched that the 5.x side content's overarching plotline (in both Bozja and Werlyt) was the Garlean Empire going into freefall.

>>720067170
Shorter MSQs that has more stuff like 7.3's puzzles or just shorter time between duties, solo or regular duties.
They're doing good with the actual combat content so thats fine, MSQ has gotten a bit too damn long and uninteresting for its own good, and lots of these issues goes back to ARR, DT was just when a lot of people started noticing it because the writing wasn't that strong, it felt drawn out and had few and uninteresting duties, world building is fine but they should just put more into sidequests, plus shorter MSQ is good for people that just want to skip through it

>>720066924
>HW was lower stakes than SB
no it wasn't because the threat of the Dragons would've not ended in Ishgard if the war got to continue, Niddhog was mad at all of humanity and if he had taken down Ishgard he would've gone after Eorzea too, SB was arguably lesser in scale because we only freed 2 countries and never actually dealt with the empire directly and they could just decide to invade again, they didnt because Varis was a moron

>>720067187
>it genuinely would've and kneecapped the overarching pacing, which is why they condensed it into just part of EW.
yeah, instead they made the much wiser decision to speedrun the resolution for every existing plot thread as fast as possible

>>720067282
>Garlemald hasn't already conquered most of the known world
>Garlemald doesn't dig up new world ending bullshit on a weekly basis
>Shinryu doesn't exist
Retard.
>>720067490
>Nidhogg is a global threat because he might still be mad and go after everyone else even though he wasn't ending Ishgard on purpose so he could have an eternal torture pig farm
>Garlemald isn't a global threat despite already conquering everything because uuuuhhhh
You're an idiot too.

>>720067170
better replayable content rather than the "clear and done" thing they keep doing

>>720067170
I would genuinely sunset the game and start work on another. The game is rotten to the core at this point and all the stories worth telling have already been told and retold. Do we really need a dozen expansions going to each of the shards? Cancel 8.0, have a small team spend the next two or three years adding an epilogue arc to cap off the game (low budget, maybe one or two new areas in Meracydia) while the A-team build FF17 Online from the ground up. New setting, new characters, new gameplay and for fuck's sake NO CONSOLE SUPPORT. Ten years on and we're still hamstrung by the fucking PS3's ancient legacy.

>>720067397
>Varis died in the ending of 5.0, not in the patches
honestly I forgot but yeah it was a post credit scene or something, either way it did lead to the Garlemald civil war and them destorying themselves.
>which is why I think this is bullshit. They would've had to pivot way earlier (during early 4.x) if they wanted to have an entire Garlemald expansion with Varis at the helm.
whos to say they wanted Varis at the helm? a civil war is the perfect reason for us to go there, we would back a good faction to take out the others.
>They decide on the general story beats years in advance
they've also freely admit that they wing a lot of stuff.
>they'd already decided by the time ShB launched that the 5.x side content's overarching plotline (in both Bozja and Werlyt) was the Garlean Empire going into freefall.
well yeah of course they did, but again a civil war is a good setting for an expansion, they just decided that it would just kill the overall storys pacing, because at that time we're not actually invested in Garlemald, we want to see what Zenos is doing and what actually caused the end of days, so they just skipped it and made Garlemalds fall a part of EW, but if they wanted to they could've easily done a Garlemald expansion, but I am glad they didn't.

>>720064465 (OP)
>Garlemald
I don't care

>>720065315
speedrunning Emet's list was the wake up call for me

What was this dumb bitch expecting

>>720067397
Varis died in 5.1, remember the solo duty with Estinien when he and Gaius book it out of the palace?
>They would've had to pivot way earlier (during early 4.x) if they wanted to have an entire Garlemald expansion with Varis at the helm.
Why would Varis be at the helm? The intended story was civil war Garlemald with Anima as the final boss. Anima was summoned out of Varis. They didn't rewrite, they just condensed.
>which means they'd already decided by the time ShB launched that the 5.x side content's overarching plotline (in both Bozja and Werlyt) was the Garlean Empire going into freefall.
Yeah. A Garlemald expansion doesn't mean everything is fine. Going there to save them from killing themselves is a perfect set up. Marching on them as antagonists while they're at full strength leads to black rose.

>>720067272
are you an SE executive?

>>720067521
>yeah, instead they made the much wiser decision to speedrun the resolution for every existing plot thread as fast as possible
Garlemald wasn't sped through, it had been brewing for years, ever since Solus showed up we've understood that the Empire was basically fucked, and SB showed that many of the factions and legions cared more about themselves than the empire, and in ShB we saw directly how the Legion leaders instantly tried to seize control and power, Gabranth planning to make a new better Garlemald with his 4th Legion or Valens planning to take the Empire with his not-Gundams, them deciding that Garlemald destroyed itself in a Civil War was just a logical step and wouldn't kill the pacing of the story

>>720067407
>They're doing good with the actual combat content so thats fine
anon, every job has been nuked to ez mode hell

>>720067563
Anon, who the fuck cares?
The Warrior of Light up to Stormblood has never lost a single fight against the Garleans.
Heavensward itself makes it a point to purposefully defang the Garleans by making them a footnote in the larger story of the expansion, only able to have power over the narrative through specific key figures like Varis and later Zenos.
By the time Heavensward is done the Garlean empire as a threat just pales in comparison to Nidhogg and Thordan, the latter of whom is purposefully portrayed as smarter than the Garleans since he doesn't just go along with Ascian bullshit.
You've been dealing with these guys since mid ARR, the novelty has worn off and so has their threat.

>>720068074
No, just a prophet.

>>720068015
that her sister would listen to her

>>720067170
Make Dawntrail non-canon. The wol just a weird nightmare.

If they want to make Trusts the Scions each dungeon/trial... they have to do better. It was really jarring how forced some characters were just for the Trust inclusion.

I have no idea how they can fix jobs. Occult Crescent should have been better.

>>720068171
>dude you should ignore major foundational lore that affects the entire planet because MUH POWER LEVELS BRO
Do you write for Blizzard?

>>720067771
ps3 servers went down years ago, the problem is the memestation 4

>>720068170
jobs were ez mode hell back in ARR, HW, SB, ShB and EW too, the actual content has been fire in DT

>>720068068
>Varis died in 5.1

>>720064465 (OP)
>Jobs not changing
Where is that Anon who said he was holding out hope for the 8.0 job rework? I'm sorry lad, I'm so sorry.

>>720068171
>the latter of whom is purposefully portrayed as smarter than the Garleans since he doesn't just go along with Ascian bullshit.
He literally did which is why he's a a fucking primal at all.
>no dude because he was gonna backstab them later!
So exactly like Varis?

>>720068331
It's over.

>>720067170
Rewrite 7.3's ending to this

>>720067490
>they didnt because Varis was a moron
They did invade again, that was the lead up into Shadowbringers that would have led to Garlemald getting pushed back to their borders and deploying the death gas

>>720068274
Yes, but they didn't exactly remake the game with the PS4 specifications in mind. Tons of things from the tiny instanced areas in ARR to the debuff limit are there because the PS3 forced them to be there when the game was in development more than a decade ago.

>>720067170
7.2 showed me that firing the entire development team is the only answer
>completely rework black mage to be like every other caster job in the game even though you just made picto as the new big damage mage job for people to play
>but don't don't actually fix the multiple buttons it has that are completely useless, make them even more useless instead

they can't even homogenize the game into samey sludge properly, let alone actually course correct.

>>720068474
yeah in Ala Mhigo with the full backing of all Eorzean cities, and it was still a stalemale.
>that was the lead up into Shadowbringers that would have led to Garlemald getting pushed back to their borders and deploying the death gas
you're talking fanfic here because they were never gonna use black rose, it got dealt with and it was used in another timeline, and Varis getting killed by Zenos meant Garlemald was never gonna hold because they got thrown in a civil war
>>720067563
you're missing the point, a Dragon horde is far more dangerous than a Garlean army that doesn't even work together

>>720068331
>So the players who already like the way things are can feel at ease that nothing is going to change for their experience.
What the fuck? How can they do a job rework while also changing nothing?
>But we are trying to do something new on top of what we already have
Like adding a couple of new abilities like they do every expansion?
Come the fuck on.

>>720068258
I did not say the Garlean empire should be ignored, I said that making them the sole threat, like in Stormblood, risks making the story seeming like it's smaller in scale due to the main enemy being overall unimpressive.
A lot of thought has been given to why Stormblood doesn't work as well as the expansions surrounding it and I really do think a core foundational issue with it is that there's no reason to not just send the WoL in guns blazing every time they need to deal with the empire somewhere because that's literally what you do every time and is even what you do in Stormblood itself, just after like 25 hours of padding.
Every time you have to watch the WoL cower behind the rock as like 4 jobber imperials fuck up some villagers I died a little on the inside knowing those guys die to a single Decimate in a dungeon.

>>720068658
>a Dragon horde is far more dangerous than a Garlean army that doesn't even work together
The father of all dragons had to kill himself to take down one Garlean flagship. And the chaos of multiple legions out for themselves has plenty of potential danger. One legion managed to replicate auracite and create multiple doomsday weapons. Another legion started summoning lucavi, had cloned hypertuned monstrosities, AND had access to a black hole weapon capable of eating its way to the planet's core.

>>720068526
>entire appeal of the job was fire 4's long ass cast time and big ass number, longer cast then recast time meant you could instantly start casting the next one
>change it so you now have a 2s cast and a 2.5 recast so you don't have the proper lengthy build up and release, instead you quickly shoot it out and then sit there doing nothing
>because you can technically cast it more often also nerf the damage heavily

meanwhile samurai gets to do the most damage AND have the best movement AND 100% uptime because of longer then normal attack range AND the best defensive cooldown in the entire fucking game to the point where you can just larp as a tank in dungeons so they clearly don't actually give a shit about balancing the classes at all.

>>720068358
Thordan backtabs them immediately after he gets what he wants, it's a pivotal moment where you think he's gonna get played like Gaius was in ARR but instead he's the one who plays Lahabrea.
Like, it is literally a narrative tool used to make Thordan a more competent villain than Gaius.

>>720068884
>Thordan backtabs them immediately after he gets what he wants
After he's already been tricked into tempering himself.

>>720064465 (OP)
The problem isn't 6.0 being what it was, it was 5.0. Shadowbringers is ultimately a zombie apocalypse filler episode that has little influence on the overall plot, when it instead should have been a Garlemald expansion. You could even keep Emet as the final boss and Amaurot as the final zone after heading to the capital, and as a result, unfuck most of the terrible story pacing 5.1 onwards and make 6.0 a more concentrated Final Days story instead of having nonsensical time travel segments and a rushed first half.

>>720068962
So much this.
People need to open their eyes to the fact that Shadowbringers is by and far the worst expansion in the game's history.

Im still disappointed not every zone was affected by the Final Days apperance-wise. Would have been cool.

>>720068962
>Shadowbringers is ultimately a zombie apocalypse filler episode that has little influence on the overall plot

>>720068686
>What the fuck? How can they do a job rework while also changing nothing?
They CAN'T actually change anything, the job trinity is never going away due to every piece of content being queued instances, and the game engine restricts the combat to the same shitty feeling shit we've had for 12 years.

>>720069045
Are you Lysefag

>>720068954
Yeah I'm sure Lahabrea's dying thoughts as he screamed in agony were
>just according to plan

>>720069278
Okay so Varis wasn't retarded then? Because he was gonna do the same.

>>720069363
nta but Varis was retarded because his idea was just "lets the Ascians do their plan and then we'll backstab them!"

>>720069045
I get it, the ShB story itself was good. And honestly, it would have made a damn good future expansion. But it came too soon, and at the most important time in the story's narrative. The result is an entire X.0 MSQ that has little lasting influence or bearing on the rest of the game's story outside the ending, and you see this in 5.X rushing to wrap up long-standing plot threads like beast tribe relations and tempering; problems that stem all the way back to 1.0. They also waste Elidibus (although he had been written like an OOC retard since Stormblood) only to introduce Fandaniel one patch later, who serves the role Elidibus did as a wildcard mastermind.

Ultimately, most of the problems with FFXIV's story pacing up to 6.0 can be traced back to Stormblood, but it was still recoverable. The only reason I can think of why they did ShB as something completely different and mostly separate from everything is because they thought people would be sick of having the Empire being the main bad guys two expacs in a row.

>>720065516
Whalaqee in general showing up in Dawntrail never even clocked on my radar, that seems like something destined for sidequests including BLU quests themselves

>>720069363
And why does that matter? That plot point didn't even exist in 4.3 let alone 4.0 which is what we're actually discussing.
And I already talked about how Varis is basically the only part of the Empire that actually allowed it to have any kind of bite narratively, while the legati and everything below them had already become jobbers by Heavensward.

>>720069363
Varis wouldn't have had the opportunity, he would have been dead if he allowed them to finish the rejoinings

>>720069278
>Emet-Selch's dying words: "Remember... remember us. Remember that we once lived..."
>Elidibus' dying words: "The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it."
>Lahabrea's dying words: "WHAT!?!? AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!"

>>720068013
We aren't speedrunning it, one or two places on it we've barely even visited in-depth regardless of visiting it, and the obvious intention as of Dawntrail is that he's listing off other places where the Ascians were meddling really hard or where something the Ascians did is about to go off, and you should go look there so you can clean up our mess. We ain't speedrunning shit

>>720068962
>>720069045
>>720069471
You guys sure are really mad that FFXIV decided to focus on the actual threat instead of the Empire we've spent ARR and 2 expansion destroying constantly and coping hard

>>720069471
I was shitposting.
You're a retard contrarian.

>>720067170
make it a single player RPG
the biggest flaw is that it's an MMO, this genre is flawed to hell and back and ruins games for no reason

TRVTH NVKE:
So many people are using auto rotation plugins that any amount of time spent on making jobs interesting to play will not matter for 80%+ of users. They're going to be mashing 1 key over and over regardless of what the rotation is.

>>720068013
He knew we would suffer with a retarded furry, his revenge

What's the point of deployment tactics? It doesn't share catalyze. If I wanted to put a regular shield on everyone I can just cast succor. Am I missing something?

>>720068770
The Agrius claimed its own size-class as the biggest and baddest thing Garlemald could drum up since it was a flying fortress or a Garlean aircraft-carrier meant to house and transport an entire Legion, Garlemald wouldn't push another out until years later with the Gration that Regula had and Shiva fucked that one up, everything else here is much more devastating on a 1v1 level or it's Garlemald still excavating Allagan weaponry and devices, or in Gabranth's case he's outright defected from Garlemald and doesn't claim allegiance to them anymore

>>720069887
Addlo crits give a bigger shield.
If you DT a critlo it goes on everyone.

>>720064563
What positive pr does he get from this exactly?

>>720069586
>we aint finna speedrunning!!!
>yeah we did go to all but one location on the list already and we basically just dipped our heads in and out
>BUT WE'RE NOT SPEEDRUNNING BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT!!!

>>720069974
So adlo crits make galvinize stronger too?

>>720069737
im glad it's a solo player RPG with MMO elements desu
i've had some neato moments with randoms

>>720069695
Your actual threat could have had an entire expansion dedicated to it instead of Endwalker being split between it and what ShB didn't do. And yes, I'm upset that a long-standing antagonistic force in the game's story was basically off-screened in a series of "Meanwhile..." cutscenes.
>>720069725
Refute my point, then. Refute how 90% of ShB isn't unimportant or rushed storytelling that's better than the alternative of having something that actually mattered and allowed proper pacing and satisfying payoff.

>>720069759
There are not nearly as many people doing that as you think. Your gay sample size isn't even 0.01% of the population.
And jobs don't need complext rotations to be fun. They just need to be engaging to play like they used to be in ARR.

Doubling down on the simplistic design and 2m meta is the biggest mistake Yoship could possibly do and I don't know why he is so fucking out of touch with his userbase anymore.

>>720069937
>The Agrius claimed its own size-class as the biggest and baddest thing Garlemald could drum up since it was a flying fortress or a Garlean aircraft-carrier meant to house and transport an entire Legion, Garlemald wouldn't push another out until years later with the Gration that Regula had and Shiva fucked that one up,
And they already had two more by the time of Stormblood to use on Rabanastre.

>>720069978
>yeah we did go to all but one location on the list already
We've barely scratched the surface of any of those areas
>HURRRRRR ALZADAAL'S LEGACY IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE RUIN IN THE BOUNTY
>HURRRRRR WE'VE EXPLORED THE ENTIRE SOUTH SEAS ISLANDS IN THIS VARIANT DUNGEON
>HURRRRRR BLINDFROST IS THE ONLY PLACE WE'VE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN BECAUSE WE WENT TO THESE TINY FRAGMENTS OF EVERYWHERE BUT TURAL
South Seas Isles, Meracydia and Blindfrost + the treasure islands can very very easily make up three more expacs

>>720070124
>Your actual threat could have had an entire expansion dedicated to it instead of Endwalker being split between it and what ShB didn't do.
you know Ascians has been in the game since 1.0 right?
>And yes, I'm upset that a long-standing antagonistic force in the game's story was basically off-screened in a series of "Meanwhile..." cutscenes.
you kicked their ass so many times before this should not be a surprise, its also just logical that the hyper facist nation would fall to civil war without a clear successor, in fact it had already happened when Solus died, Varis was the winner of that civil war and he instantly appointed Zenos his successor, this is just how Garlemald is, it's the most true to them and the most interesting route they could've gone with them while also not killing the pacing by having to spend an expansion dealing with them and putting the actual story about the unsundered, final days, Zodiark and Hydaelyn on hold.
It was a good choice they did.

>>720067170
public executions on balmung

>>720070194
>I don't know why he is so fucking out of touch with his userbase anymore.
guy is talking about shaking things up pretty big for 8.0 job design
"out of touch"

>>720070275
So when the next expansion is not any of those things, what is your cope going to be?

>>720070275
>South Seas Isles
got expanded in DT and became the source of the Azem travel crystal
>Meracydia
we've not even been there so why are you mad
>the treasure islands
literally went there and we found out it was a vault for a fissure which lead to EW's patch MSQ and introduced concepts that got expanded onto in DT.

>>720067170
By just ol' yellering it already. If you didn't experience 1.0-SB on-content, you didn't experience XIV.

>>720070479
alzadaal's legacy wasn't blindfrost and what lies beyond, it corresponds to the underwater ruins of the bounty

also his argument is that none of the currently explored areas actually mean we've combed through and found whatever possible ascian or winterer plot is unfolding there

>>720067170
Go back to what made it a hit: politics, military drama, the rich fucking over the poor and general final fantasy stuff before its final act.

>>720070408
>shaking things up
I'll believe that when I fucking see some actual substance.
They talked about wanting difficulty to be more pushed to a degree in DT and while dungeons were slightly more engaging, what they actually did was make tons of pretend midcore shit you can't do like fork tower and chaotic.

>>720070440
Why wouldn't the expansion be any of those things

>>720064465 (OP)
>6.0 wasn't a ludo garlemald expansion and 7.0 wasn't the finale
if square did this, they wouldn't be losing players

>>720070037
Wait I'm an idiot, this hasn't been true since Shadowbringers.
Basically Adloquium gives a slightly stronger shield (180% of a 300 potency heal vs 160% of a 200 potency heal) so a spread Adlo is gonna be marginally more powerful than a Succor.
Just be sure you don't Adlo the tank when you do this since you risk them getting auto'd and only spreading like a 100 HP shield.

>>720070725
>while dungeons were slightly more engaging, what they actually did was make tons of pretend midcore shit you can't do like fork tower and chaotic.
Please do raids, alliance raids and Savage

>>720065315
I am glad they rushed Garlemald. Otherwise we would have gotten a whole expansion in Designated Shitting Streets.

>>720070275
>dude we already did Garlemald in SB, there's literally no other story to tell, it's impossible, it's already covered
>yeah we're going back to the Bounty as a full expansion, you're basically retarded, we wouldn't just scratch the surface and bounce out you fucking idiot peepee poomer barry!

>>720070341
The pacing is already killed because they *didn't* do that stuff in 5.0, and instead crammed it into 6.0. Again, the only part of Shadowbringer's main MSQ that matters in regards to the overarching story is Emet-Selch, and there is absolutely no reason he couldn't have been the focus of the finale of a Garlemald-focused expansion that explicitly fleshes out the civil war you speak of and other things like a solution to the beast tribes and tempering. It all could set the stage for a focused 6.0 experience in a way that feels satisfying, whereas 5.X does not because it covers topics that should have been in 5.0 - and shoddily.

>>720070931
muh garlemaaaaaaaaaaald

>>720070738
Why didn't we have an expansion in Paglth'an? Because that's not how this team works.

>static disbanded cause everyone is quitting the game until 8.0
Sheeeit. I haven't PF'd a tier since Stormblood. Anybody PF a DT tier? How did it go?

the amount of faggots who pretend story and music matters the most to shield this games criticism for having objectively awful gameplay are to blame for where the game is now. it's not yoshidas fault or the mog station whales fault. it's the people who were too pussy to say the game was turning to shit when the game spent 4 expansions nosediving into the shittiest imitation of a japanese wow until they finally took off their japanese worship goggles and realized it was too late

FUCK storyfags and musicniggers. play games for gameplay. read a book or listen to an album if that isn't important to you.

>>720071169
It's alright if you can get through it as quickly as possible. The longer you take to clear the more suffering you will experience. Anyone that's actually good in PF will clear within the first week.
If you are aiming to slow and steady, I would strongly urge you to reconsider.

>>720071202
Platform Masters by Ulilillia would melt your brain and make you rescind any notion of "music and story don't matter"

>>720070803
>raids
Did them. More engaging than EWs were, but not by much
>alliance
First step was boring outside of the group boss. Have not done the second one as I am not currently subbed.
>savage
I lack the patience to sit around waiting 25 minutes for two of the like 100 healers still playing to join, have the party wipe twice to the first two mechanics, and then have half the party leave.
>just get a static
It's a video game. If i have to set up schedules to play, it's not happening.

>>720066076
>from the Tia clan
>Tia clan
Anon... "Tia" is not a miqo clan name. It indicates a male miqo that doesn't have a harem of wives. If he settled down and had a harem, he'd be G'raha Nuhn of the G Tribe.

>>720071248
ironically this 100% supports the argument you're mad about and keep taking bitchy limp-wristed homo potshots at. only a tiny sliver of coerthas in ARR led to a full ishgard expansion

>>720070948
>The pacing is already killed because they *didn't* do that stuff in 5.0
You sure are just wrong about ShB
>Again, the only part of Shadowbringer's main MSQ that matters in regards to the overarching story is Emet-Selch
wow if only he was a major part of the expansion and set up things for the next expansion while giving new context on previous expansions and Ascian actions, if only.
>and there is absolutely no reason he couldn't have been the focus of the finale of a Garlemald-focused expansion that explicitly fleshes out the civil war you speak of and other things like a solution to the beast tribes and tempering.
because none of this would thematically even fit? because the Warriors of Darkness plot thread got left in HW? because they wanted to truly introduce the concept of shards which has been teased for years and make us go there to see how life was different, how Ascian actions impacted other shards and to find Amurot in a world that hadn't gotten hit by 7 calamities so it could still stand.
Maybe just maybe they actually did move the plot forward and actually did tons of stuff in ShB ontop of actually fleshing out the Scions, maybe just maybe all of it was more interesting than another expansion revolving around war and the faction we learn is just an Ascian tool for chaos.
have you considered this or are you too buttmad you didn't get a whole expansion of Garlean gear?

I always knew that the Job that'd swap betweel a twinblade and dual wield should've been Judge. And a tank class, no less.
That would free the Gunblade for the glorious dps role it always deserved.
But alas, this is not the timeline we got to live.

>>720064465 (OP)
>5.0's reception exceeded our expectations, so we decided to condense the Empire's storyline to allow for greater developments.
>so we decided to condense the Empire's storyline to allow for greater developments
And this is where it got us, great.

>>720071524
>a whole expansion of Garlean gear?
Probably the most profusely boring idea I can think of would be an expac of Garlean themed gear honestly, stuffing FF12 Judge armors into Bozja was the best they could do and should have done for the whole idea

>>720071662
good thing we didn't have a whole expansion that was just Garlemald that also would just retread ideas and themes from Stormblood

>>720071725
The only thing I think we actually lost on in that regard is Anima EX and associated weaponry

>called Gunbreaker because they broke Allagan guns
did they get Kojima in to right this

>>720071627
surely a Judge would use hammers because you know, hammers, gavels instead of dualswords, thats more anime or old persian thing, or viking with axes

>have the leader of Garlemald doing all this shit, raising hell and a half and being a genuine menace, and even after everything is said and done up to 5.3 Garlemald is still a major threat on the table, with implications that we're going to seriously have to deal with them next
>huh people really like 5.0, what should we take from this
>lets introduce Fannydanny, have Zenos fuck up Garlemald internally, and absolutely 180 the plot in the most blatant way possible towards world apocalypse because no one ACTUALLY wants to really sit down with another war-focused expansion against Garlemald

>>720064465 (OP)
>he wanted hiror to write the ending of dawntrail
kys

>>720071452
Honestly, my mind went right to Ram Ranch and the concept is hilarious to me.

>>720071149
Knew it was you, little buddy. You just hate the foundations of the setting. Anything prior to EW makes you boil with rage. Anyway, enjoying the Yok Huy quests?

>>720071887
you're so fucking mad you didn't get a whole expansion of garlean gear, despite getting both garlean dungeon and gathering gear in EW

>>720071879
Fun fact that Gunnhildr being the source of the word "gun" in-universe is very similar to the real world origin of the world "gun" (originally slang for siege weapons as "Gunilda")

>>720071880
He wants a Gabranth job not a Zidane job

>>720067170
Emet comes back and creates a 1,000 year Ascian reich. Also, hin and WoL kiss.

>>720072074
well yeah I get that, but he can just use Bozjan armors to do that, I am more poking hole in his whole judge thing because swords does not actually scream judge, nor does dualwielding

>>720072159
More specifically he wants a Gabranth job called Judge because Gabranth is a Judge Magister in FF12 and he doesn't actually want a job themed around judges or judgment, and doesn't get/doesn't care that Garlean legatii fulfill the same role and aesthetic in-universe and those guys are off limits

How shitty would it be if I fake being sick on April 24 next year just to make sure I catch the expansion announcement live? (I am european)

what the fuck, is this an actual thread with discussion about FFXIV with no mare screencaps for once?

>>720072280
You know we got a Garlean job last expansion right?

>>720072074
Yeah. But Zidane Job was good anyway.
>>720072159
There’s no hole to poke, it was just wishful thinking. I have no idea if something like Judge was ever actually considered by the devs.
They could use big hammers as someone pointed.

Zidane is infinitely more interesting as a twinblade job than Gabranth would be. Flashier animations and a much more mobile, agile fighting style.

>>720072363
it will come, they're just asleep

>>720064563
If you keep on calling him that, he won't invite you to the media tour.

>>720072074
I want a Nero job
fuck I just want more Nero

>>720072457
I'm not sure there'll BE a media tour for the next expansion, after all of the content-creator monkeyshines the past year.

>>720072363
just wait 15 min or so

>>720071524
>You sure are just wrong about ShB
I'm not. Tell me how the entire story with Ryne, the Sin Eaters, Vauthry - any part of it except Emet - is important to the saga's narrative, when none of it matters after the fact. 7.0 proves they have no problems making us deal with shards (Ascian's introducing electrope) and the problems they still have, as said problems haven't gone anywhere. Naturally, character development can be written into this /all hypothetical/ MSQ rewrite.
>if only he was a major part of the expansion and set up things for the next expansion
Yeah, he's the only part of it that fucking matters, and could have just as easily played the same role in a Garlemald-focused expac, as I've said.
>because they wanted to truly introduce the concept of shards which has been teased for years and make us go there to see how life was different
Would have been more fitting for 5.X content which would need to be restructured anyway given that 5.X as-is only exists to do what 5.0 didn't.

>>720071887
>>720071984
Considering we got one entire zone dedicated to a fan favorite character from the previous expansion as a background loredump setting only to give every character involved in it amnesia as a workaround explanation I'd say its justified.

>>720072419
he is, just a shame that Viper really doesn't do much with it, really they don't do much at all beyond being cool 2 sword guys, their lore is genuinely paperthin "we're hunters in Tural, we're called Vipers because um we fight with 2 swords that kinda looks like a vipers fan and we strike fast? also we got a trance ability for no reason"
at least theres some vauge pararells to the soul things in arcadion but thats still extremely weak

>FF3
>Emperor Xande is just a pawn in Cloud of Darkness's schemes
>FF6
>Emperor Gestahl is just a pawn in Kefka's schemes
>FF7
>President Shinra is just a pawn in Sephiroth's schemes
>FF9
>Queen Brahne is just a pawn in Kuka's schemes
>FF12
>Emperor Gramis is just a pawn in Vayne's schemes
>FF15
>Emperor... uh... the Emperor is just a pawn in Ardyn's schemes
>FF14
>Emperor Varis is just a pawn in Elidibus/Emet/Zenos's schemes

How do we stop this madness? Why was FF2 the only time the emperor got to be the final boss?

>>720072394
You're choosing the Garlean job that's comprised of anti-heroes specifically pushed out of and hunted from the Empire for noncompliance, fulfills the same societal role as a Dark Knight, and is mostly a reference to Marluxia in Kingdom Hearts.

>>720072419
We didn't get a Zidane job either though.
>>720072363
I can post some if you want.

>>720072457
I'm honestly surprised they're doing a fanfest considering how much those venues cost.

VIPER WAS A FUCKING WASTE OF A JOB SLOT. ITS JUST WORSE REAPER AND I'M FUCKING RIGHT.

>>720072598
You’re kinda stretching. Jenova-Sephiroth sliced President Shinra just because, they had no use for him or his company specifically.

>>720071984
I could care less for Garlean gear unless there was some tacticool bullshit in there. It's the principle of just how fucked this whole thing is to me. And it also shows how whimsical and impulsive the developers and writing actually are; if we argue that the big shift was around 7.4, then that means they decided in the year and a half after launch to completely change their plans in a completely different direction, which makes me wonder just what exactly is actually "pre-developed" over the patch cycle period.

>>720072591
I'm in agreement overall, I think Viper is the most aesthetically bland job they've ever put out (fits with them claiming Kirito in SAO as an inspiration, most obvious from the artifact coat) and it's odd that it's supposed to serve as a Zidane reference while not actually pulling much from Zidane.

>>720064465 (OP)

I love everyone two years ago was fucking sick to death of Ancient Amaurot and all of the Ascian crap. Now here we are post-Dawntrail and you morons are lapping it all up as we return to that direction again. You are fucking hilarious hypocrites, the lot of you.

Honestly, neither DT job was a success in job design
Picto is blatantly broken, even after the nerfs, and does anyone fucking even know or care how vipers buttons even work? It's literal press the glowing button design.
>>720072678
Nah, reaper was a failure too.

>>720072732
Yeah but it's still an example of the authorative leader being a decoy main antagonist who gets killed by the real villain.

>>720065315
I have been saying this since endwalker launched. Endwalker was not good because it fucked up the pacing entirely. Yoshi is a retarded faggot and deserves to lose his golden goose.

>>720072615
Yeah, a Garlean job.
>and is mostly a reference to Marluxia in Kingdom Hearts.
What's with this little thing you do where you randomly toss in unrelated trivia to make yourself seem informed, little buddy?
Anyway, here's a quick handwave to explain Judge.
>An enforcer of law from the era of the Garlean Republic, stricken from the records after they attempted to resist Solus appointing himself as Emperor (that's a reference to FFXII bro, you can stick that in your posts!).
If you didn't kill your brain jacking off to dogs on /trash/ day after day, you might be able to think of stuff like this yourself. But hey keep being an argumentative little rat faggot, that works too.

>>720072773
>7.4
5.4, fuck, that trazodone is really fucking up my brain from sleeping last night

>>720072826
President Shinra dies an hour into the game. Rufus is the face of Shinra for most of it, and he's not a pawn in anything. Plus Hojo is aiding Jenova all along, and is part of Jenova himself.

>>720072568
>Tell me how the entire story with Ryne, the Sin Eaters, Vauthry - any part of it except Emet - is important to the saga's narrative
well bucko I'll try keep this short
>establishes how shards are both different and similar
>Sin Eaters serves to demostrate that too much light is also bad
>they also serve as the catalyst where we learn that light is actually stillness and darkness is activity which explains the void later
>Ryne's story is not only her own story about learning to become her own person, its the final goodbye to Minfilia
>this also ties into Thancred's story of finally moving on from the trauma of losing Minfilia and grow as a person but most importantly become the father Ryne needs
>this later has him become the spear head of the Scions and be the one to literally save us all from dying in Ultima Thul, and later helping Koana grow as a person
>Urianger grows as a person and does his final trickery which he hates but does for the greater good, this carries over to EW where he finally stops being so secretive and gets closure on Moenbrydas death
>Y'sthola gets taste for inter dimensional travel and hrothgar cock
our travels in the First gives extra context on rejoining and it also gives EW even greater stakes when we learn that letting the source planet die means all other shards die, which means Ryne dies which gives Thancred resolve to fight Meteion and save the Scions.
So much carries over in the characters, motivations and themes, it does way more for the MSQ than another expansion about Garleans would've done it.
>(Ascian's introducing electrope)
holy MSQ skipper

>>720073006
>President Shinra dies an hour into the game.
Um, ackshually....

>>720072591

Pretty sure Viper is meant to be aesthetically our hunter and spirit medium role with how it's Reawaken literally cycles through past lives as we attack enemies junkied on soul overflow. (i love how virtually NOBODY talks about this in-game or even mentions it in the quests)

>>720073178
Who the fuck takes 6 hours to get that far even on a first playthrough?

>>720073178
People really took 6h to leave Midgar in average in OG FF7?

>>720073272
>>720073274
generated summary
chatbots are always wrong

>>720073337
I asked jeetpt because an hour seemed too short in my memory, 1 hour is definitely exaggerating on the short end.

>>720072778
>and it's odd that it's supposed to serve as a Zidane reference while not actually pulling much from Zidane.
I think that was more a side effect of them already pulling so much from FF9 that the 2 sword job naturally got some Zidane refrences thrown into it, but yeah, Viper really was just made to please people that wanted to be Kiriko, and yes its fun but also impressive that we got a job with so little identity, meanwhile Pictomancer got it in spades including that the spells actually work with actual color theory.

>>720072598
Kinda funny how in FFII it's literally set up the same way with the emperor dying and Leon taking over the empire, only for the emperor to be like "dude I'm in hell, I just killed Satan and now I'm taking my hell army to conquer the world"
It's straight up a subversion of a trope that wouldn't even start until the games that came out after it.

>>720073337
Damn. Maybe if you keep grinding rare drops like that one in the train graveyard you may take that long.

>>720073272
Honestly the safer estimate is probably 3-5 hours, 6 is too "generous". But a lot of folks do underestimate how much time flies by if you're going about seeing every nook and cranny in the opening of the game, partly from the battles, partly from how much Midgar has jam packed in it. It's still one of the best examples of a long prologue in a JRPG because it barely wastes any time yet simultaneously gets to explore and establish so much.
And it sure as fuck didn't need a 30-40 hour remake dedicated strictly to that section alone.

>>720073406
FF2’s Emperor being literally too evil to just die and stealing Hell from Satan always makes me crack.
He probably is the worst motherfucker in FF history to this day, too bad his game is not only relatively obscure but has a weird reputation because of the leveling system.

>>720073547
Clawing his way out of Dissidia and into Jack's version of FF1's world in the Stranger of Paradise DLC to try and take that over is funny as hell

>>720073180
yeah it is just really weird how Viper has this really insane implied lore that just never ever gets mentioned, and it even has parallels with how they overload their souls with animal beasts in Alexandria and just nothing
>>720073272
>>720073449
6 hours is honestly expected for someone playing it for the first time and isn't a habitual gamer or has played many jrpgs, I can see some also feeling they have to grind to beat bosses because they dont know what they're doing

>>720073449
I remember wanting more of Midgar in 7(not necessarily longer prologue but to visit other plates later on instead of just the city in a war alert), then 7R happened and proved me wrong.

>>720073272
>>720073274
Longplay does it in 4 hours, 6 hours doesn't seem like that much of a stretch if you don't know where to go in certain places.
https://youtu.be/BOUMiEbkZUM&t=4h10m57s

>schizos insisted for years there was no planned Garlemald expansion
>this drops
KEKAROOOOOOO

sex with Khloe Aliapoh

What i want from 8.0:
>A Realm Reborn 2
>Go back to Eorzea
>One new zone for each of the four city states and a final mystery nigga zone as per usual
>Expand on the southern deserts of thanalan with those strange ruins
>Expand on the north shroud and all its riverways and waterfalls filled with the now rusted out remains of the failed garlean invasion of 1.0
>Visit the volcanic peak of La Noscea where tropical jungle meets an ancient Nymian settlement half buried in ash and lava flows
>Go to the endless northern pine forests visible from Idyllshire to see what might be there now the dragonsong war is over and explorers and colonials will be settling new towns out there
>Revisting each city state from ARR to see how the former beast tribes now interact and perhaps intergrate with each city
>Pull on some old story hooks ARR set up but never went anymore. Small mysteries and criminal syndicates not world ending shit
>How have people been effected by the Final Days and maybe time skip a year or two to really have some dramatic changes
>Update the original 2.0 zones. Not full on Cataclysm style but maybe add some new quests for people that have beaten post ARR stuff to do some follow up quests and give alt jobs a bit more to do outside fates. That and just add stuff like Armalja traders in Thanalan towns for example
>Bring back Hard Mode dungeons. Why was there allag tech in Nidhoggs eiry for example. Whats changed in our absence in ways that need cleaning up
>Grand Company ranks added that unlock new fates with different rewards in ARR zones
>Hub town is like Mor Dhona, starts as a little trade caravan and over the patches builds into a real settlement.
>Relic is a nod to Zodiac Braves and brings back the books
>No shard/ancient bullshit at all.

>>720073696
Makes sense. 6h in my head would encompass all of Midgar and the Mithril Cave section.

>>720073006
>>720073178

>>720073856
FFXIV should add unprotected creampie sex with Tifa.

>>720067282
>Thordan
>godlike primal
Lol?

>>720073856
I don't know what this screenshot means. I last played FF7 in 1997 and have never revisited it.

>>720073856
I underestimated retards, indeed.
But it’s so weird there’s so much in Midgar but it also feels like you get out of there so fast.

>>720073934
this but Jessie instead

based on the jobs flavor and aesthetics

>>720073962
boss you fight a two dozen text boxes before leaving midgar

>>720064465 (OP)
Shadowbringers was good in a vacuum but it was a mistake.

>>720073856
Look up Sector 7 Guard Skip. Also, I need to work on the new FF7 layout for him like I promised. :(

>>720073856
President dies before the Valkyrie split tho.

>>720073934
>>720073993
Mako radiation poisoning made Cloud sterile anyway so he has nothing to fear.

>>720074085
Well that one didn't work.

>>720073976
Well I think one thing that contributes to it is the Shinra building on a casual playthrough is like an hour long by itself.

>Huh people really like our game's story
>I know! Lets rush through it so we can be done with it faster!
Yoshi is the type of faggot who probably bust's inside a dude the moment his dick slides in.

>>720074118
>life energy makes you sterile
shouldn't it make him a turbo chad just spurting it out because he is filled with so much raw vitality?

>>720074118
BON ITALIA

>>720074076
I can't blame the game reaching Shadowbringers even if it was a hilariously awkward diatribe to the post-Stormblood war going on, and I can't really blame the core content of Shadowbringers itself as someone that has issues but appreciates it. It's all entirely on the dev's shoulders for taking every single wrong lesson and getting turbo complacent because alongside what they changed going into Endwalker, the aftermath of that shit was the real catastrophe for XIV.

WHY ADD THE PELUPELU IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE FROM 10 WHAT THE FUCK I WANTED SIN AND LULU YOU FFFFFUCK YOSHIDA!

>>720073806
God I just want Grand Company content.

>>720074212
Mako outright kills you in high enough quantities, takes a highly controlled environment to produce a SOLDIER and it doesn't always work either. Think ADAM in Bioshock

>>720074242
they felt they couldn't reuse the vanu for a tribe daily again and wanted lalafell proxy with none of the interesting parts about them

>>720074242
>7.4
>a Lalafell guy with red hair kept in a big slicked back spike in the front appears
>"Ey brudda, I'm Wakka Wakakka, captain of the Besaid Aurochs."
>"We're looking for an ace to help us beat those damn Whalaqee Westwolves in the big tournament coming up. You in?"
KINO KINO KINO KINO!!!!!!

>>720074242
>SIN AND LULU
Bismarck in HW and Y'shtola's Black Mage outfit

>>720074212
I’m not big into FF7 minor lore but Mako poisoning and even falling into the raw Lifestream seems to fuck you up bad.
Also sterile =\= low sex drive, he could still fill Tifa up to the brim thrice a day every day

>>720074234
Endwalker being the worst expansion by a significant margin is not a conversation must people are ready to have just yet. You'll get called a trancer or Garlenigger for even suggesting it.

>>720074393
Bismarck isn't Sin, he's Bismarck.

>>720074448
He's pretty Sin with the needing to grapple him closer

>>720074242
We gave you a dungeon boss, did you rike it?

>>720074413
>Endwalker being the worst expansion by a significant margin
It's not the worst expansion by a significant margin, that is and will forever be HW, it fucking sucked when on content and had fuck all to do, they had to rework Diadem 3 times and the Gordias tier almost killed the game again.
EW had tons of issues but it didn't threaten to kill off the game.

>>720064465 (OP)
I'm pretty sure he already said this, that 6.0 was supposed to be Garlemald and end on the moon with Zodiark's death and 7.0 was supposed to the end times with the intervening postgame being about how the world was falling apart without something to stabilize it. It's a shame they rushed things, Endwalker didn't have any time to stew on its developments and rushed from one plot point to another.

>>720074413
>>720074550
Ladies, please, HW and EW are BOTH dogshit.

>>720074413
EW and DT are pretty equal to me, but EW hurt much more since it was first. I'm pretty numb to all of DT pitfalls because of EW.

>>720074550
>and the Gordias tier almost killed the game again
Found the endbryo who heard secondhand stories from redditors and twitch streamers. Gordias didn't almost kill the game, it just fucked up raiding populations anywhere but Gilgamesh and Sargatanas. You basically had to transfer to those two servers to raid. The biggest problem in HW was the four month wait for 3.1 which earned a public apology from Yoshida.

>>720074550
Oh not the GORDIAS ALMOST KILLED THE GAME when the subs were within the average of players.

>>720074393
I think the closest thing to Sin in XIV would be, y'know, the Sin Eaters.
You even get a Yuna expy to go alongside them.

>>720074413
You'll get called a trancer or a Garleaboo for fixating on Elpis's time loop or rawdogging every Ancient into your mouth at once, not for saying EW was bad

EW was pretty fucking bad, it had nothing to do the instant MSQ was up, Myths of the Realm is piss easy and the only mechanics that were interesting through all of it were Nald'thal's scales and Nymeia tankbusting you if you flirt with her, Pandaemonium was an amazing story with a horrible Savage, TOP was a second Gordias in killing the raiding scene and very probably the wake-up call for how awful their raiding template had become, the Four Fiends' only interesting fight was Golbez with special mention of Hyadain appearing to mix the theme for Rubicante.

>>720072813
I like Reaper, i like my cringy fedora wearing edgelord class

>>720074815
Sin is a mass of dead souls forged into armor by a summoner to wield as a weapon, which then lost its purpose and went on autopilot as the summoner lost his mind. Zodiark is much closer to Sin.

>>720074714
>>720074793
You do realize that people were not happy with the raids right? they were actually ass on release which lead to the team changing them.
even outside of the raids there was fuck all to do in HW, it was just a bad expansion to actually play when it was current.
>>720074675
HW is more dogshit, EW has at least redeeming qualities and actually added things and made PvP not complete hot garbage and finally took Feast behind the shed and shot it to replace it with CC

>>720066076
Square, fucking hire this man.

>>720074953
Zodiark is closer to Sin thematically
Bismarck is closer to Sin in being a flying gravity whale (wind technically but who cares)

>>720067170
Delete the Crysal Data center and ban all accounts tied to it. It is the only way a new, pure Eorzea emerge and survive.

>>720075030
Aether still seethes about us even though they supposedly got the better end of the deal in no Balmung, I take it

>>720075030
Don't know if you're aware of this, but most people engaging in the faggot gooner shhit are and primarily from Aether.

>>720075014
>You do realize that people were not happy with the raids right?
You do realize that the raiding population in this game has never broken 15%, right? Gordias smashing statics and isolating raiding populations to a handful of servers was not a threat to the game.
>even outside of the raids there was fuck all to do in HW
HW included everything ARR had and expanded upon it. It did everything an expansion should. EW had less than ShB, which had less than SB. You're trying to compare HW to SB or ShB which is dishonest because it SHOULD have less than those things. It had more than ARR, which is the important part beacuse ARR is what it was expanding upon.

>>720067170
merge all the regional DCs into one DC, have Aether and Crystal finally reunite and work things out

>>720073856
Please DNP washed up strimmer. He is so damaged from being cucked out of WRs he does item only "challenges" instead. And very bad X3 PBs
Looking forward to him no showing tonight

>>720074815
There's a lot of parallels you can draw between X and Shadowbringers
>Flood of Light/Sin Eaters = Sin
>Minfilia/Ryne = Yuna
>isekai story
>G'raha = Auron
>Ran'jit = Seymour
>Ardbert and Tidus as the protagonist sacrificial lambs at the end
>Al Bhed vs Yevon = Crystarium vs Eulmore
>Zanarkand = Amaurot

>>720075181
My understanding of the DCs' relationship is
>Aether: I pity you
>Crystal: I don't think about you at all

>>720068331
Christ it is fucking over

>>720075338
Using normalfag twitter memes is a pretty good depiction of Crystal, yeah.

>>720075106
>>720075126
Aether must also be deleted then. Only the greatest DC, Primal, should remain. For Eorzea's sake.

>>720075421
I don't think about you at all, Aether.

>>720068331
Please just remove this retard from the game already. He is going to kill it if he already hasnt.

>>720075146
>You do realize that the raiding population in this game has never broken 15%, right?
>Gordias smashing statics and isolating raiding populations to a handful of servers was not a threat to the game.
you really don't see the issue here? the raiding content destroyed the playerbase that would touch it isnt great.
>HW included everything ARR had and expanded upon it.
wow, such as what? grandcompanies? wow what great content, EW reworked ARR content to give us soloable versions, made old ARR dungeons actually have mechanics, fixed PvP which caused way more to actually engage with it, actually gave us rewards to grind in PvP not to mention just tons of QoL which they've kept up with.
But I guess you're right, they didn't have a foray which the playerbase famously always loved and would never bitch about no way sir.
Lets just ignore that HW's foray was so bad they had to rework it several times before saying fuck it and made it a thing for Ishgard restoration and left it at that.
>EW had less than ShB, which had less than SB.
man you sure love to believe your historical revisionisms
>You're trying to compare HW to SB or ShB which is dishonest
wow you're actually retarded

>>720075298
>autistic metronome bullshit to manipulate RNG?
>nah fuck that i'm just gonna run it how i want
He's based.

>>720064465 (OP)
So glad we rushed through good content so we could get to the dogshit content!!!

>>720068331
larger snippet for more context

implies some system or subsystem will be added for more pizazz, job homogenization is mentioned by name

not far enough in on talks of the plans for us to really know what he's supposed to mean by basically anything said

>>720069091
Nigger they would have had to update like 1,000 NPC’s dialogues in every zone to reflect the fact that THE WORLD WAS ENDING and then update them again when the world was no longer ending. Their creativity would be taxed to the extreme for no reason.

Please understand and please don’t look forward to it

>>720075338
it's more mutural dislike and Crystal players going to Aether to do content to escape "bad crystal players" only to get them on aether.

>>720075582
It really boggles the mind. Any smart developer would milk a cash cow for all its worth and for some reason they did the opposite.

>>720075582
you've made this post like 5 times already

>>720075541
>the raiding content destroyed the playerbase that would touch it isnt great.
It didn't destroy it, everyone just moved to Gilgamesh or Sargatanas.
>wow, such as what? grandcompanies? wow what great content
Grand Companies, FC crafting, Diadem (content even if you don't like it [you weren't there]), expanded upon all combat kits, PotD
>EW reworked ARR content to give us soloable versions
Yeah that's a BAD THING you fucking retard. This is an MMO. Of course a fucking endbryo thinks it's good to rape old content to make it single player.
>made old ARR dungeons actually have mechanics
lol?
>Lets just ignore that HW's foray was so bad they had to rework it several times
Having content is better than having no content like EW.
>man you sure love to believe your historical revisionisms
What revisionism? That's a fact. EW had less than ShB, which had less than SB.
>wow you're actually retarded
Wow you actually have no argument. You judge an expansion based on how it expanded upon what came before it. Not by future expansions that didn't exist when it came out.

>>720075605
Uhhhhhhhh wait but people who post about muh job homogenization here are supposed to be shitposting barry pablos who don't speak for anyone........ Why is Lord Yoshida bringing it up sisters.....?

>>720075605
>>720069180

>>720075825
>(content even if you don't like it [you weren't there])
what does it feel like, being /v/'s most contrarian poster and the only person on the entire internet willing to defend the diadem

>>720075894
HW added content, EW didn't even attempt to. You have no cope here, having Diadem with ridiculous RNG rewards that made everyone shit themselves is objectively better than not having anything at all.

>>720075874
you have absolutely no life, even among /v/ posters, and i pity you.

>>720075541
You see the critical difference between HW and EW is that back in HW the game was still fun to play on an intrinsic level so basic content was actually like a welcone addition, gimmicky shit like Diadem being awful wasn't a big loss cause the game was fun enough in other areas for it to not matter.
By contrast in EW you basically NEEDED the content to be interesting because the simple act of playing the game was just not.

>>720071287
Fuck it I might just skip ship too then.

>>720076009
>back in HW the game was still fun to play on an intrinsic level
Back in HW I would still reach up and twirl my little propeller hat and lick my giant swirl lollipop and go "haha weeeeee" while I played a game that was nearly fucking identical in general GCD combat and content-model approach

>>720075990
>>720076079

They need to make frontlines have map rotation like CC does, instead of it being a daily thing

I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES I NEED TO HAVE A XIV THREAD UP AT ALL TIMES

>did every raid
>pvp'd a lot
>got most achievements barring the really autistic ones
>used to be a storyfag

Endwalker wasn't even that bad but Dawntrail made is so much worse that I go like a week to two weeks without logging in now

>>720075990
>>720076162

>>720075990
>>720076218

Hey, let me guess who is behind all the shitposting
Venat did nothing wrong and she is better than zodiACK

yoshi suck me good

>>720076079
>>720076162
>>720076218
>>720076292
Shitposter hangs on to every single post that ever made him mad before #47392844798312934765398476280768

>>720076156
>no you see they both have GCDs so they're the same
Explain how you used Fracture on MNK.
You didn't play HW. You started right before ShB, little buddy.

>>720075825
>It didn't destroy it, everyone just moved to Gilgamesh or Sargatanas.
that is destroying it elsewhere, its the same issue we have now with every DC except one being dead for raiding.
>Grand Companies, FC crafting
uh huh, things that were just kinda deadends
>Diadem (content even if you don't like it [you weren't there]),
it was reworked 3 times, that alone should tell you how bad it was
>Yeah that's a BAD THING you fucking retard.
it's not, it makes the game more approachable for people and its a good solution if you need to do an old duty no one queues for not to mention just good future proofing
>This is an MMO.
you can still play it with other people and its faster than NPCs, NPC is just an option that you're irrationally mad at
> thinks it's good to rape old content to make it single player.
anyone who thinks that Tam-Tara was good before the rework is just delusional and lying to themselves
>lol?
ARR dungeons didn't actually have mechanics, now tankbuster markers actually show up, they got straight up improved and brought in line with the rest of the game
>hAViNG coNteNt sO baD they hAd To rEwORK it 3 timEs is beTTER ThAn EW
please don't trip when trying to walk because thats clearly too advance for your brain
>That's a fact. EW had less than ShB, which had less than SB.
genuinely wrong
>Wow you actually have no argument.
no I got plenty, you're just retarded ontop of that
>You judge an expansion based on how it expanded upon what came before it.
no you base an expansion on how good it was, HW wasn't good, the other expansions are better
You're also retarded because you keep comparing the other expansions so you can't even follow your own shitty logic

The FFXIV team has to know they’re in a hole. They have to know that there’s too much content for new players to have to wade througj to get to the new expac and too much boring repetitive shit to keep vets. What the fuck can they do? Do they make a new game? Do they make content easier to get to? Do thwy change game plans entirely from what they’ve made before? They’re fucked. They’re fucked and they know it

>>720076320
Sisters...? Does this m-m-mmean....? *G-GULP!!* Is Yoshida... the f-f-folder dumper?!

Someone say it ain't so!!!

>>720076009
if they released HW today people would doom over it harder than they do with DT, an expansion with actual content

It's a bold plan for dumpy, let's see if it works out.

>>720076156
Yeah man it was the exact same thing just ignore the fact that they got rid of aggro management, MP, TP, like 90% of the skills on every single job, most buff timers, DoTs, overtuned defensive and healing cooldowns to ridiculous degrees and deliberately undertune dungeon numbers so they are as brainless as possible.
But you know, it's the exact same game otherwise.

>>720076313
I'm afraid Yoshi-senpai will have to sacrifice his asshole too
All in the name of XIV's prosperity of course

>>720076473
Well, they didn't release HW today. They released HW in 2015, after ARR which is what it actually expanded upon.

>>720076497
How could Yoshida talk about job homogenization when it's only folder dumper who pretends it's a problem...?! What's going on here?!

>>720076181
no, Frontline has map achivements so its just better to have it be daily because it would otherwise be a fucking nightmare trying to get in enough matches to make any meaningful progress, now you can at least setaside a few hours of Onsal day to try and get some wins for the achivement, the CC rotation makes sense for that since matches are short and maps are far more gimmicks so it keeps it more fresh

>>720066076
Only if Gaius returns to them in the expansion after, takes over as leader, and has them try and drop a large asteroid onto the planet for revenge (but really because he wants a rematch with the WoL going all out).

Should I level MNK or RDM? Or SMN/SCH

>>720076532
>Well, they didn't release HW today.
yes because that would be shit
>They released HW in 2015
oh god you're really are retarded or insanely obtuse, probably both

>>720076693
MNK > RDM > SMN/SCH
try and colevel RDM and SMN/SCH since they share gear

>>720066076
>FFX-2 references

SQUARE
HIRE
THIS
MAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2dR27Hb6xw&list=PLVoerqML4MHhsWnDY_9ok4kV87Ug2V9_J&index=53&ab_channel=DoomedAccount

>>720076509
No anon don't you see, all those things just made the game more clunky.
I don't want to think about resources in a dungeon I just want to spam the same 1-2 AoE combo to kill everything as fast as possible.
... wait why are dungeons so boring now? Please slash them so we only get one per patch.

>>720076509
Butt guuuugghhhhh the clunky spinning platess sguuuugugghhh

>>720076786
Makes sense. Guess I'm gonna go full-ham into casters for a bit then.
Man I really need to clean up my inventory and armory chest.

>>720074085
He's got a good stream to throw on while I fall asleep

>>720068331
oh my fuck

>>720076509
aggro management didn't really exist for any job but tanks and ninja and it was never intelligent on tanks

>>720077118
So true anon I'm so glad we got rid of that mechanic and replaced it with literally nothing so the tank jobs can now just be DPS with braindead rotations.
The game is so much more fun now!

>argue with anyone
>call them a dumpy
I'm noticing again

>>720077118
lol you're out of your fucking mind. Stop pretending you even played HW, you retarded faggot. The amount of PLDs who couldn't keep aggro properly because they couldn't juggle their combo between multiple enemies and only knew how to spam Flash is why Flash is gone now. The amount of WARs who couldn't keep aggro because they only knew how to spam Overpower and raped their TP is the reason TP was removed. BLMs not using Diversion was a meme for years. Fucking kill yourself dude, why do you retards insist on shoving yourself into conversations you have no business being in?

>>720076509
>>720077118
it was worse than that, Aggro management genuinely did not work if DPS jobs didn't press their mandatory aggro buttons, they were not some interesting buttons to mange their aggro placement, it was literally just there to make them do part of the tanks job and DPS that didnt press it could just rip the aggro it was just so bad and unfun

>>720066076
>final boss cutscene is us running in as the main villain activates Vegnagun
KINO INBOUND

>>720077257
Many people are known for screenshotting their arguments...

>>720077297
>aggro management didn't exist
>also it was extremely demanding and everyone had to do their part or everything went tits up

>>720077297
To my memory aggro management was basically the DPS pressing cooldowns and tanks having a stance on while doing even less damage, yeah. Sometimes healers had to be careful about their thoroughput but not usually. There's an argument to be had about whether they should have refined it, but it's not something I was broken up about divulging entirely either.

>>720077285
>is why Flash is gone now.
no Flash is gone because it was fucking garbage, them giving PLD a proper AoE combo with aggro is just making a functional job
>spam Overpower and raped their TP is the reason TP was removed.
no TP was removed because it was just an unfunny arbitary mechanic that didnt actually impact anything, it just made dungeons longer because physical DPS were punished for using their AoEs
HW design was just bad all around

>>720077297
>NOOOOO PLEASE GIVE ME LESS THINGS TO THINK ABOUT
Well I hope you like the game now

>>720077410
This is true. And combat now is just everyone pressing buttons on cooldown so honestly? Not losing much by automating it entirely.

>>720075807
No this was my first post in the thread, take your fucking meds.

>>720077430
Defending Flash means he's so deep in the Kool-Aid he's about to burst through a wall, is Heavensward Derangement Syndrome a thing?

>>720064465 (OP)
XIV is infested with women and women don't like politics, 6.0 was always going to be power of hope feelsgood bullshit

>>720076915
>... wait why are dungeons so boring now?
Lol
Do people that pretend to have played ARR and HW actually believe dungeons were anything more than boring shit people wanted to speedrun through?

>>720077374
>also it was extremely demanding
it wasn't, it was just badly designed, there were no thoughts going into it, DPS were just forced to press a less aggro button on CD instead of pressing buttons that related to their actual rotation and job
>>720077410
>To my memory aggro management was basically the DPS pressing cooldowns and tanks having a stance on while doing even less damage
exactly, all SE did was removing actual bloat on DPS and didn't punish Tanks for having tankstance on, which made would try and stay out of for as long as possible anyways, which was just good design, the aggro management we got now is simple yes but its far better for the actual game

>>720077430
Wow dungeons took longer because you couldn't just spam AoEs and thus it put more strain on tanks and healers who needed to utilize more of their kit to stay alive in packs that took longer to kill?
People had to actually play the game and engage with its mechanics instead of just facerolling through everything?
You're telling me this for the first time?

>>720068686
They'll be reintroducing cross-class skills and calling it the Subjob System. They'll literally be the cross-class skills we used to have, but with a new name/animation/icon and vaguely tweaked numbers.

>>720077430
>no Flash is gone because it was fucking garbage
You were only supposed to use it to grab initial aggro, retard. Your actual aggro maintenance was supposed to be juggling your single target combo between multiple enemies. That's what we call job identity.
>nooooo if it's not the same as everything it's not functional!
Kill yourself.
>no TP was removed because it was just an unfunny arbitary mechanic that didnt actually impact anything
>also it severely limited what you could do and you had to actually consider if spamming your AoE was going to be worth the resource expenditure

>>720077502
There was nothing wrong with Flash, you just don't like that you had to actually play a video game.
>is Heavensward Derangement Syndrome a thing?
Yep, you've got it. Make the post about Aymeric getting stabbed again.

SE should have already started on a new FF successor MMO years ago when they were still making money. Now they seem like they're going to go bankrupt in the near future and are stuck with the absolute ancient dogshit engine. They could have gotten everyone to move over to it too if they promised you could transfer your cosmetic wardrobe to the new game or something

Unfortunately Square Enix are actually run by actual braindead retards who thought NFTs, putting live service mechanics into everything and hopping onto game trends 5 years after everyone was bored of them was a good way to make money. Also they needed to publicly gut and cannibalise whoever greenlit Forspoken

>>720077572
Worse, they are people who believe dungeons were better on any front than exploratory and that they somehow "went away" when the vast majority of them are untouched and still in the game because they're not MSQ-critical and therefore weren't modified for Trusts

At any point at all you can still go through them as they were through minimum item-level or equipping period-relevant gear on a period-relevant job, and the only difference is your hotbars are mildly more boring than they would have been back in the day

>>720076693
RDM is based and idiot insurance for group content so they never fuck with them with patch nerfs.

>>720069759
And I won't stop until they limit the number of ability keys to eight. Guild Wars and Wildstar had the right of it.

whos the coolest non msq npc

>>720077603
uggghghhhhh so clucknky spinning plates uguggghhhh its so jank to play the gaeaammeeee ugggghh let me get back to the nightclubbbb auuugghhhh this boomer jaannkkk knobody caaarresss uuuggghhh

>>720077603
your "arguments" really are falling apart there pal
>>720077624
>You were only supposed to use it to grab initial aggro, retard.
and it was ass at that
>Your actual aggro maintenance was supposed to be juggling your single target combo between multiple enemies.
meanwhile WAR and DRK got actual AoE attacks and PLD got a shitty Flash and jank single target attack, maybe PLD was just badly designed and they finally fixed it by giving it an actual AoE attack.
>That's what we call job identity.
no we call that a nonfunctional job
>also it severely limited what you could do and you had to actually consider if spamming your AoE was going to be worth the resource expenditure
no anon, it just said "sorry you're not allowed to actually do things" it wasn't some deep system where you had to consider resources, you just pressed your TP restore button and got mad at the MNK for not giving you Goad as BRD, it wasn't good and got gutted because it was an ass system that only lasted as long as it did because FF11 has TP (and actually used it well) theres a good reason why no one actually misses TP

>>720077726
Lol

>>720077847
Edda Blackbosom

>>720077447
diversion was not something you thought about, you pressed it on CD and that was it, there were nothing more to it, even party buffs has to be held sometimes

>>720077974
>level 50 and 60 dungeons untouched
Lol lmao guess where the vast majority of each expac's dungeons are

>>720077847
this is the sort of riveting posts we get here as the game dies and bleats out
pure bot drivel

I want Grand Companies to get more content and also an Ishgardian Company

Anons who are still here, if you’re still playing ffxiv, why are you still playing it? Are you happy with the current type of content or disatissfied? Genuine question, want to know what people think who are still playing

>>720077847
you posted him, I like to think he's the same guy as the Duty support DPS they added for the HW dungeons

>>720076156
Yeah, you did not play during HW or even SB. Shut the fuck up.

Good, fuck Garlemald and every retard who wanted an entire expansion to revolve around that shit hole.

>>720077902
>and it was ass at that
It had a Blind attached, so it doubled as a mitigation. Again, this is what we call job identity.
>meanwhile WAR and DRK got actual AoE attacks and PLD got a shitty Flash and jank single target attack, maybe PLD was just badly designed and they finally fixed it by giving it an actual AoE attack.
Again, this is what we call job identity. Some jobs are better at some things than others.
>no we call that a nonfunctional job
Thanks for proving my point. You just want everything to be the same because you don't want to think. Hurdles are considered bad and nonfunctional to you because you hate video games.
>it wasn't some deep system where you had to consider resources
It literally was. You just agreed that it limited what you could do.
>you just pressed your TP restore button
Which could not sustain TP expenditure on trash packs, even on single target bosses it was a net negative and you would eventually start to run dry as a fight went on. Which is why NIN and BRD were so valued for their TP restoral.
>and got gutted because it was an ass system
It got gutted because actual synergy and resource management scares the shit out of retards like you who just want an interactive youtube video to pat you on the ass.

>>720078092
Haven’t played since 2022. Otherwise I just lurk FF14 threads and reminisce about how fun it was.

>>720078173
Started in shb not sure if that matters btw

>>720078092
>Anons who are still here, if you’re still playing ffxiv, why are you still playing it?
it's something nice and comfy to fall back on if I just want to play something for maybe an hour or listening to a podcast while crafting, or just play with friends that are still progressing through the game or just fill in for an unreal or EX if needed.
>Are you happy with the current type of content or disatissfied?
genuinely happy with it, I do not actually do savage though, but I've done the first fight and watched friends play the rest, they're genuinely a good step forward, I just don't do them because I don't want to dedicate the time to savage anymore, but I am happy for those that do, the memes were 10/10
been really loving the 7.3 though and the trials have been cool, really looking forward to the deep dungeon stuff

>>720078185
>actual synergy and resource management
>TP

>>720066076
>Tia clan
You don't get to be in charge of writing anything, lorelet.

>>720078328
>Goad and Army's Paeon aren't synergy
>managing a resource isn't resource management
You forgot your argument there, little buddy. Want to try again? Or are you busy with those Yok Huy quests?

>>720076509
please anon I don't want to get depressed about things we've lost

>>720078185
>It had a Blind attached
Wow, that so good and totally not garbage thats still worse than an actual aoe attack!
>Again, this is what we call job identity.
I must admit I almost admire the dedication to be as contrarian as possible despite being pants on head retarded
>Thanks for proving my point.
>yes thanks for proving that plds job identity was being a disfunctional barely playable job!
I'm dying

>>720078394
Disagreeing with me or heckling me or calling me gay means you're my original character, Little Buddy the Homestuck.

>Gordias killed the game
>No one does savage they don't need to exist
Never change casual retards

>>720078491
I really can't tell if you honestly believe you don't glow in the dark.

>>720078361
besides we already got a Tia clan, they're called male vieras

>>720078462
>IT DOESN'T EVEN DO DAMAGE WITH ITS AOE INSTEAD THE AOE ACTS AS MITIGATION WHAT THE FUUUUUCK THIS IS UNPLAYABLE IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE WARRIOR!!! NO I WON'T JUST PLAY WARRIOR IF I WANT AN AOE ATTACK EVERYTHING MUST BE THE SAME!!!

>>720064465 (OP)
>in favour of the path that lead to Dawntrail instead
Sure, cause dealing with garleniggers would have totally made Hiroi a better writer.

that one garlean blowing his head off was really allegorical

>>720078508
you're so mad, maybe you should just give up or are you gonna talk about how Diadem was totally great again?

>>720078541
Little Buddy's special technique: Parrot Old Insults Used Against Me

>>720077726
This is just straight up not true and it's not even that hard to disprove.
Let's look at Warrior
>Storm's Eye
>your basic bitch combo finisher that you do every 5 seconds
>in A Realm Reborn and Heavensward it had a potency of 270
>currently it has a potency of 500
Fucking 500!!!
Just for the record, 500 was the original potency for Fell Cleave back when it was your biggest attack on the job.
It's not the same game.

>>720078631
uh oh melty over someone pointing out PLD was badly design, hes really lost in the sauce

>>720078717
He does like to do that, yeah. It's how you can tell that something makes him mad. Like every time I find him in another thread and laugh at him, he tries to act like he can tell which posts are mine and links a bunch of shit I didn't post lol. Or when I tell him his fat pig of a mother who raised him without manners shat him out in a public bathroom out of wedlock he starts calling everyone fatherless.

>>720078715
Not even the same guy
Diadem was pretty great for gathering though yeah
You could do both blue scripts and red scripts there, got my miner, botanist and fisher to 60 there

Was Blue Mage a waste of resources?

>>720072153
This. Give the people what they want.

>>720078870
What resources? It's all reused assets.

>>720078743
It has a combo potency of 500 *after traits unavailable at that level*, anon sempai
It's still boosted, to my memory, but not to THAT absurd degree in THAT gameplay era

>>720078828
>He

>>720068331
it's over

>>720078846
>Not even the same guy
uh huh lets go with that
>Diadem was pretty great for gathering though yeah
well yeah, but thats Ishgard restoration Diadem which is the first version that was good, but Diadem was added back in HW and was basically a proto eureka zone, it was not good so they ended up having to tweak it until they just reworked it, and that version was still bad and no one did it so they decided to make it a part of Ishgard restoration, its genuinely the greatest failure in this game and the only one that have gotten reworked this hard several times too, Diadem was the rare objective failure

>>720079020
Yes, little buddy. I'm aware you made the post I replied to. I was going along with your little joke and mocking you at the same time. Like I said, you are not hard to notice.

>>720079045
>well yeah, but thats Ishgard restoration Diadem
lol so you don't even know original Diadem had gathering? Sit down, stupid fucking larping endbryo nigger. You contribute nothing to this conversation.

>no cute male characters
>no new WoL simps
>two shitty forced waifu characters
>Wuk being treated like the main character
>shit writing that basically just rehashed everything that already happened in other expansions
Is it really any surprise that FFXIV turned into a dumpster fire?

>>720079071
*steeples my fingers together like a dark wizard*
Hm hm hm... You didn't even know I was mocking you... FOOLISH

>>720079141
oh no I forgot one aspect about it, it was still so garbage that they had to rework it several times, it is an actual failure

>>720079221
>oh no I forgot one aspect about it
You didn't forget shit, you just never knew. Sit down and keep quiet. We'll ask you when we want to talk about the good old days of Island Sanctuary.

>>720078924
Yeah, fair. I guess I should ask instead if it should have been more than just a limited job.

>>720079243
lets just say thats the case, this doesn't change the fact that Diadem was so bad they had to rework it several times and finally just made it a side mode in a different piece of content, so no HW is a bad expansion.

>>720078936
Yeah true, it's like 380 which honestly is still a bit absurd considering in ARR you'd be in Defiance with a damage penalty but whatever, I guess I'll live.

>>720078508
There are less than ten thousand of you world-wide, there is no reason to make content or systems that cater to you. If you want more difficult content, make a plogon that artificially increases the cooldown on your abilities or otherwise hinders your ability to fight.

>>720079264
Yes, it should have been. Every excuse Yoshida listed for why it had to be limited was actually instantly refuted by what we got.
>But what if you don't have the required skills in DF?
Job quests require you to get certain skills like every other job quest in the game.
>Well you have to learn from monsters directly!
Core skills are taught through totems.
>If you just cast Lv5 Death on Omega, it wouldn't be fun...
All bosses resist Death.

>>720079045
>well yeah, but thats Ishgard restoration Diadem
Nope, dumbass
HW diadem was amazing for scripts and had spruce logs/darksteel ore
You don't know anything
Many such cases
It was far better than now with all its worthless fake materials

Over status?

>>720079345
Yeah it's still not going to be 100% accurate but you're also not gonna completely invalidate walking around in there at MINE

>>720079192
we need the new Ascian to be a hot man that takes a special interest in WoL to bring back the fujos and save the game

>>720079404
not even close (some people are big angy it's not close)

>>720079354
>There are less than ten thousand of you!!!!
Maybe on your tranny data center (crystal)
The rest of them enjoy playing the game

>>720079424
Didn't someone say that the new Ascian character model was female? So if anything we're getting another Zero.

>>720079484
>TF2 image
>discord baby speak
It's a little buddy moment.

>>720079484
So it's over

>>720079396
>It was far better than now with all its worthless fake materials
if that was the case it'd still be in the game, but it isn't, even the devs admitted it was bad, only retards like you cling to the idea it was good out of a need to be contrarian, just accept that HW was the worst expansion and be happy they actually improved the game after it

>>720079528
I thought I was Little Buddy

>>720079354
hee hee stay mad i like doing hard content
go grind fates faggot

>>720079519
>Didn't someone say that the new Ascian character model was female?
it's over.

I hear people bashing pld, yet it was still the king in ARR.
Nothing like my pld friend in brayflox hard pulling literally everything and giving me a solid 17 seconds to spam holy.

>>720079404
not over and youtubers ""opinions"" does not count, now get back on the weapon grind while you wait for the deep dungeon

>>720079691
Gunbreaker was born for retards and stayed for retards. Can literally solo current content dungeon bosses because ffxiv can’t into tanking

>>720079715
So many of the FFXIV youtubers and streamers that popped up after Shadowbringers have been doing a right-wing grift pivot or saying they fucking hate the game actually, I wonder if we're gonna not have media tours for 8.0 or ever again since that's a lot of poison Yoshida would be smart to not give a platform. Could even result in earlier expansion release with not running media tour after fanfests

>>720079691
But Flash was mitigation instead of damage so it was literally unplayable, you can trust me I started in ShB so I'm kind of an oldfag.

>>720079568
You're actually retarded
It was amazing to get to 60, it simply was never updated because the majority of playerbase is as retarded as you are and think diadem was only for combat content
Had they just added SB and SHB nodes diadem would be fucking amazing, instead they made it its own separate thing and can now only be used for ishgard restoration shit and is now DEAD AGAIN

>>720079394
Admittedly, I have fun with the Masked Carnival if I ever feel arsed enough to actually do it, but it's annoying how that's all there is to it.
Has me wondering if they're even gonna attempt another limited job again. Then again, at that point it might as well just be another proper job.

>>720079839
No way Yoshida gives up fanfests. He needs that validation.

>>720079396
I remember the "Hard" map was only accessible via FC that you had to unlock with Airships. And it needed some kinda fuel to start?

>>720079932
No not the fanfests, the Media Tour afterwards where it's mostly just streamers getting an early try at the game and shilling it after

I genuinely think it's hilarious that people would deride Diadem while defending Eureka and the like.
EUREKA IS LITERALLY JUST DIADEM AGAIN.
Diadem, whether you found it good or not, didn't fail due to some kind of bad design, it failed because the rewards were awful.
We know this is the case because in they rereleased Diadem under the name Eureka and had it holding the relic grind hostage and suddenly it was a success - or well, as much of a success as a Diadem-like can be.

>>720079921
>Has me wondering if they're even gonna attempt another limited job again.
Beastmaster already got confirmed over a year ago. It's coming in 7.5. But because of that I don't see them updating BLU again after DT. They could barely support BLU, they're not gonna do two at once.

>>720079970
Oh my mistake. Would be funny.

>>720080016
they straight up are doing two at once already, BLU also has an update slated this expansion

>>720079715
>grind out a weapon with zero value
nah i'm good chief
keep slobbin yoshida's knob

>>720079962
Yeah. I made my own airship just to gather old ARR materials

so did the erpers find a new mare clone yet

>>720079839
>So many of the FFXIV youtubers and streamers that popped up after Shadowbringers have been doing a right-wing grift pivot or saying they fucking hate the game actually
ffxiv youtubers from before ShB's pop has done the same
> I wonder if we're gonna not have media tours for 8.0 or ever again since that's a lot of poison Yoshida would be smart to not give a platform.
no thats just a good source of publicity to them they'll just be more selective with which youtubers get in, do not expect Zepla, Xeno or Arthars to get in but people like mrhappy and Jessecox probably will, and they'll still have the actual media for that too

>>720080276
I remember Arthars was already kind-of on thin ice for Dawntrail's and had to beg to get in, don't remember if the bald pedo did too

>>720079839
I don't watch redditor fake masculinity faggots but I'm gonna make it a point to come back and laugh at you when Xenosys posts his 8.0 media tour video.

>>720080367
>i don't watch soi-beard grifters but i hope this one wins

>>720080357
Xenos just showed up and told them to let him in and they did

>>720080423
Yep, I will make sure to come back here and post the thumbnail for his video just to laugh at you.
>MUH RIGHT WING GRIFTERS!!!!
Go back to posting Zodiark trancer twitter screenshots you seething retard.

>>720079909
>You're actually retarded
no anon, I can just accept reality
>It was amazing to get to 60
wow how great, I cant wait to do it! oh wait. it doesnt exist as it did anymore.
> it simply was never updated because the majority of playerbase is as retarded
holy cope, you really cant accept it was bad and they had to rework it twice to make it actually somewhat decent? if it was good they would've left it, but it wasn't, it was heavily reworked twice, it was that bad.
>Had they just added SB and SHB nodes diadem would be fucking amazing
no it would still be bad
>instead they made it its own separate thing and can now only be used for ishgard restoration shit and is now DEAD AGAIN
it unironically has more use now to farm ishgard scrip to get colors people want than it ever did before.
Face reality, Diadem was a bad piece of HW content, an expansion that was just bad.

>>720080502
Congratulations on being the sole purchaser of a Make Eorzea Great Again ball-cap

The annoying thing about these nu-RW grifters is they never ask the JQ.

The saddest part is that YoshiP is just going to use all the retards spewing hate to completely ignore all the legit complaints.

>>720064465 (OP)
This was said like 5 years ago

>>720080548
Go back to posting Zodiark trancer twitter screenshots you seething retard. Remember how you pretend to hate leftists when you think it will convince 4chan to give a shit?

>>720079839
Not to turn this into an eceleb thread but does anyone even know what happened to Momo?

>>720080531
>IT'S GOOD NOW BECAUSE IT HAS REWARDS
You can't make this up

>>720080003
no Diadem failed because it was badly designed, Eureka is them learning from Diadem, Eureka still had tons of issues and got nerfs, but it wasn't so bad that they had to completely rework the whole damn thing, and even then it was still hated on release and is still disliked to this day, it just has more shooters now that it has gotten heavily nerfed and isnt as ballbustingly grindy as it was when it was current, and even those will admit that Pagos sucks.

>>720064465 (OP)
They love fizzling out major plot points. For example, the primal tempering. It was like some post-MSQ shit 3 quests long where they found a cure for this shit that was a MAJOR point in the plot for over a decade. "lol fixt" and it was done. I remember thinking "What the fuck just happened?" because they closed it out so fast. It was a HUGE deal throughout the entire game up to that point.

>>720080552
>yoshida pulls a black powder pistol from under the table at pax east and pops the questioner in the head
>announces corsair is the poster-job of 8.0

>>720080698
>executes kate live on stage
imagine

>>720080747
kate derangement syndrome
she cute

>>720080669
I didn't say that but yes content having things people like generally helps with getting people to do it, new diadem is still better designed than both of the old diadems, again face reality that they were bad or sit in your own delusional world while the rest of the world moves on, HW isn't even the expansion people claim is the greatest anymore its SB and soon to be ShB, including content

>>720080826
>EXECUTE THESE FUCKING RIGHTOID GRIFTERS GET THEM OUT FUCK THEM
>"lol kate"
>whoa whoa now hold on

>>720080826
homestuck... let it go dude

>>720080882
trying too hard

>>720080672
ffxiv players really can't read

>>720080837
New diadem sucks ass because the materials can only be used in ishgard restoration, it only exist to level up and get ishgard scripts
At least old diadem let me gather actually useful materials and real scripts, all they had to do was add new rewards, since you know, it already did have some
How's your pegasus doing?

>>720080672
They're like ADHD kids that get bored of something so they rush to finish it, if they finish it at all, so they can move on to something more fun.

>>720064465 (OP)
>reception for 5.0 closes off an entire continent
>the time dilation is already written off
>can't do any of the cool scouting/spy shit with estinien
>varis' death could've been a secret revealed at a later time
>allows for greater development
So Shadowbringers really is to blame for all this.
It is on sight at the next fanfest. I'm gonna get him faster than Yamaguchi did to Asanuma.

>>720081039
Kissu
>captcha
Kate Cwynar JAV incoming

>>720081039
Would date.

>>720081096
Careful with the snaggleteeth

>>720081023
>New diadem sucks ass because the materials can only be used in ishgard restoration, it only exist to level up and get ishgard scripts
these are not bad things, its more focused and gives you a reason to keep grinding it for those specific rewards
>At least old diadem let me gather actually useful materials and real scripts
we already do that in newer zones
>all they had to do was add new rewards, since you know, it already did have some
or they can just add new zones with those new rewards, because you would bitch if they didn't

>>720081184
She's going to put her razor thin lips to work

>>720081039
i had a dream that i was Yoshi P's buddy and he accepted my resume (and was even impressed by my references) and felt jealous of Kate, bros

>>720064465 (OP)
Frankly I hate the Garleans and there's no way I could stomach 6 entire zones with those faggots. One was already too much. If fact if Tural had been as ignored as Garlemald was in EW then maybe DT wouldn't have been quite so insufferable.

>>720080668
Still getting achievements, I'm assuming he just burned out on streaming the game.

>>720081085
you've made this post like 6 times now

>>720081229
Don't feel jealous. Kate is an industry plant. She didn't get her job organically. There's no other explanation for how she joined the team, instantly had the weight to start making lore decisions, and then got promoted to the boss of her division within two years, past all her seniors (which doesn't happen in Japan).

>>720064465 (OP)
>what made ARR such a hit
ARR was a hit because it turned the game into a WoW clone with FF nostalgia strewn about, not because of the cartoon villains that were 2.0's Garlean Empire

>>720081190
New zones would have been nice, with SB, SHB, EW materials

Wait, Anima was in fucking XIV?! I actually might have to play this now.

>>720075605
>"we're counteracting class homogenization"
>Every job update in DT has stripped away the unique aspects of whatever class it's touched
I have zero faith whatsoever in what they've got planned for BLM

>>720069476
Blu the Whalaqee is in the Fisher role quest for Dawntrail.

>>720081467
It's just a shitty dungeon boss because it got cucked out of final boss status by the story squish talked about in OP.

>>720081467
Don't bother. They did Anima as dirty as dirty can be.

>>720081467
Halfway through Endwalker, so about 400 hours in, maybe 300 if you skip cutscenes and don't understand WHY Anima is there.

>>720081486
black mage feels about the same as it did before desu

>>720081527
That's disappointing. Anima and her creation was one of my favorite parts in X.

>>720081309
Discrediting me? Despite pointing out his bullshit?
Me oh my, sounds like the cultist faggot are already out doing damage control.

>>720069476
Yeah, nobody expected one of the only two Turali civilizations we ever heard about to show up in DT. Especially not after the lead-up quests at the very end of EW forced you to read about them. Like people expected Doma to show up in SB like whaaaaat? lol that's NIN sidequest material dude...

>>720081608
trying too hard

>>720081527
Anima wasn't that big a deal in X, it was by no means minor, but you sound like you're playing up that it SHOULD be more than a Dungeon Boss; I could at least agree it should've been a Trial instead, but even that's only so much more important in the overall scheme of the story.

If we'd gotten the full Garlemald expansion, it probably would've been the final Expansion boss a la Emet/Meteion/Speen

>>720081518
And you only see two of em, the one kid that learns fish spells by eating them, and then his friend that helps to judge his trials (she only shows up twice I think)..
I still can't wrap my head around how the Ishikawa written one (MIN/BTN) was so good compared to everything else. Just the idea of a familial tragedy being the product of an unfortunate natural disaster is so simple but perfect creatively.

I'm replaying SB on an alt right now and I can't believe all the faggots I've seen trying to say this MSQ is worse than DT. This MSQ looks positively shakesperian next to DT.

>>720081662
>but you sound like you're playing up that it SHOULD be more than a Dungeon Boss
Ishikawa did confirm that Anima would have been the final boss of the Garlean expansion. And as the primal embodiment of Garlemald as a concept, yeah it definitely should have been.

>>720081608
If you had actually done the BLU quests you'd know the village would be infected by smallpox and got medicine at the end of the first blu job quests, enjoy that horrible mismatch if you didn't do the Blu quests before DT, we also got blu stuff in side quests

>>720081685
You should be asking how Ishikawa wanted a song like Smile.

>>720081737
i remember ninja theory describing DmC as shakespearean so i'm forced to assume you're taking the piss

>>720072598
You forgot how in FFIV Golbez is literally just a pawn in Zemus' scheme.

>>720081748
>enjoy that horrible mismatch if you didn't do the Blu quests before DT
You can go start DRG quests right now. You can go talk to Urianger in the Waking Sands while he's stuck on the First. That hasn't been an issue for a long time, all sidequests canonically happen in the patch they're included in.

>>720081806
To play devil's advocate, Smile "by itself" isn't a terrible song...it just made NO SENSE in ANY place it was used in the entire expansion until part of 7.3. Just like Wuk Lmao isn't a bad character "in a bubble", she's just fucking awful because the WRITING was fucking awful in general, including and especially about her. With a competent writer, Wuk Lamat would've been a better and less-prominent char, and completely absent after winning the throne.

>>720081826
DmC is unironically a better written game than DT though.

>>720081960
now you're just being silly

>>720081662
Look I'm not saying you're wrong, but the final boss of ARR was a random boss from VII
HW was the ultimate summon from VII
SB was a superboss from V
ShB was a random summon from VII
Anima really wouldn't have been that out of place, if anything I'd argue it's a little too iconic to its original game for it to be reused as a story central boss like that.

>>720081892
See, I thought that at first too, then you realize he was listing EMPERORS specifically; Golbez was never an Emperor nor was there an Emperor in 4

>>720081892
Well Golbez isn't really an emperor conquering other lands, he's just stealing crystals.

>>720081662
Actually Anima and Seymour were intended to be the real big bads of X originally but time and budget meant they cut a bunch and pulled Yu Yevon out their ass.

Fun fact: that room right near the start where tidus ends up in Spira in some ruins and starts a fire? its covered in writing in the guado tongue and its all talking about what happened to seymours mother and how "he is a monster wearing a mans face" but in the original PS2 release the textures were too blurry to read so even after the plot was changed for time they left them in. But in the HD rerelease they are there now clearly legible.

Also theres writing in the floor of one of the hanging prison cells when the party gets taken captive that matches no other language or script in the game and to this day remains untranslated.

>>720082054
>>720082095
He did become captain of the Red Wings.

>>720072598
>>720081892
Also how in 8 Edea and Adele are pawns in Ultimecia's game.
I'm surprised Seymour didn't turned out to be a pawn for Sin and was just autistically evil on his own.

>>720081997
ah it's yshtolabot
haven't seen you shill for npc dating lately, did you update your script?

>>720082156
there's like four or five different poopshitanon accusations flying around in this thread alone and none of them are right

>>720082115
>Fun fact: that room right near the start where tidus ends up in Spira in some ruins and starts a fire? its covered in writing in the guado tongue and its all talking about what happened to seymours mother and how "he is a monster wearing a mans face" but in the original PS2 release the textures were too blurry to read so even after the plot was changed for time they left them in. But in the HD rerelease they are there now clearly legible.
Yeah, it's the temple where Seymour was raised because his mother was exiled there. You go back there to get Anima.
>Also theres writing in the floor of one of the hanging prison cells when the party gets taken captive that matches no other language or script in the game and to this day remains untranslated.
Wouldn't it be the writing of old Bevelle, like from 1000 years ago?

>>720082005
To be fair, ARR had no fucking clue if they were even going to flop again so there's a LOT wrong with the writing and ideas, most of which got removed/retconned anyways, so that tracks. When you put hte rest that way though, yeah that makes sense. In that vein of thought, though...

>>720082115
>pulled Yu Yevon out of their ass
This is disingenuous because "surprise bosses that come out of nowhere" is just as much a hallmark of FF as Summons and Chocobos

>>720077663
You retards who keep saying a company should make a new MMO have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

>>720082254
No i don't mean narratively pulled out their ass. I mean it was their first HD title and like most japanese devs making in house engines they struggled and wanted it in the launch window of the PS2 so things had to be shaken up. There was never a Yu yevon planned for the game till late in development where the final boss went from Seymour to Yunalesca to Jecht to a static bug model inside sin.

>>720082372
This. People already like XIV, they just fucking hate DT. XIV does not need to be replaced, only DT does. The latter is much cheaper than the former.

>>720067170
Make it an RPG

Remember how the lizard without any personality was the main bad guy of the expansion?

>>720083059
Remember how a tranny with no actual acting experience was hired to voice a character that was meant to have been the face of the expansion and had so much dialogue written for it, that it eclipsed most characters of the expansion combined? What's up with that?

>>720082372
>You retards who keep saying a company should make a new MMO have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
It's the best thing they could do. XIV being your first MMO and you having too much of an emotional attachment makes you a bad decision maker.

I've ran out of things I want to do and I'm bored. I'm just logging in for the daily relic roulette bonus and it's depressing.

>>720081561
BLM is in a fantastic place rn

>>720083243
>eclipsed most characters of the expansion
Eclipsed long time characters that have been there since ARR

>>720083314
Their company even break even these days, they haven't the money to make a new MMO. They may have had a chance for it after the success of Shadowbringers, provided they shitcanned every other moneysink project they had been working on and even then that probably would not have been enough. Developing an MMO is insanely costly.

>>720083439
i wish with all my heart they would FUCKING REVERT THUNDER'S CHANGES but otherwise i'm still fine with it

>>720083059
>Gulool Ja Ja is basically the messiah, uniting an entire continent
>one child gets shipped overseas for his entire life and comes back a sharlaboo with zero connection to his own home
>one child is a sheltered, spoiled animal who inexplicably still has heroic fighting prowess
>last child is the biggest misfit of them all, a complete fight autist and sociopath who lusts for power because... he just does
I love that the story completely glosses over the fact that Gulool Ja Ja was unironically a fucking awful parent, likely because the writer expected you to just nod your head every time the plot tells you something without actually backing it up.
Every single aspect of character writing in this expansion is a complete failure, it's almost a spectacle in itself.

>one child is a fight autist who'

>>720064465 (OP)
Don't care

>>720083439
It's kinda boring. You just have too much resources for moving around and it makes it feel too brainless.

>>720083484
nah I like it

>>720083447
I was trying to only talk about the expansion, so that my critique would be fair and self contained. If we compare it to the rest of the game, the picture becomes even more dire, but that's neither here nor there.

>>720083535
you do not belong in my world. step into nothing

>>720083531
speak for yourself

>>720083449
>Developing an MMO is insanely costly.
Should have put any of the money back into XIV instead of Forspoken, and the other hundreds of millions of dollars flops, then.
Yoshi-P never fought for it.

>get a couple of friends to start playing the game
>all they do is start crafting
should i tell them crafting endgame fucking sucks?

>>720083650
No, encourage them to power through it so you have easy access to crafters and don't have to do it yourself.

>>720083650
When I started crafting, I just enjoyed the idea of being self sufficient and making my own shit instead of having to pay hundreds of thousands for a fucking sofa on a marketboard. Your friends probably enjoy that process instead of the supposed "endgame".

>>720083484
Same

>>720072457
No idea who that is but he comes off like an ego-inflated ultra faggot.
>Thumbnail
Make that a double omega faggot who thinks he's people.

Just finished Dawntrail postpatch.
>S Tier:
Heavensward, Shadowbringer
>A Tier:
Endwalker
>B Tier:
ARR
>C Tier:
Stormblood
>D Tier:
Dawntrail

>>720083834
ego-inflated ultra faggot is an accurate read of him, he's the retard from heavensward era that popularized "aggressive tanking styles" and the general practice of slotting STR accessories instead of defense ones for higher damage, leading to fragile tanks. he is extremely horny to become asmongold 2.0 for FFXIV

>>720083880
I'd put Endwalker into B tier and Stormblood into A tier. Stormblood might have suffered from the same issues Endwalker had, but not to an extent that massive and it was one of the best content expansions for the game.

>start lvl 1 alt
>don't have to acknowledge dawntrail's existence for hundred more hours
It's just that shrimple

>>720083406
>He hasnt finished his relic already.
lol, lmao.

there's gonna be a case study on how dawntrail managed to occupy space in so many people's heads rent-free while being incredibly average when placed against other expansions in direct comparison

I remember defending EW at launch but going through it a second time and I'm just realizing wow, this expansion fucking SUCKS. Awful Pacing, the "ishikawa woe is me" wank gets triple downed upon. Every interesting thing in the expansion gets fucking DROPPED. INDIA!!!!!!! The absolute PEAK of Wowfugees holy fuck how could I defend this mess.

>>720083880
Pretty much agree

>>720084209
extremely rough sex with this rabbit

>>720084215
Tonight's the night!! Go go go!! Just a few more posts and you'll convince everyone that Dawntrail wasn't shit!! Ganbarre!!!!

>drop a well developed faction
>for fujo fanservice

>>720084209
Nta but I tend to go slow on relic grinds because I main SCH/SMN and except a select few last steps most are just shitty ass books. Maybe I'll do PLD first for once.

>>720084267
its just a mess. Nothing stands out worse than the first half of yak tural
>we are having a cooking contest...why? shut up!
>Here we are partnering you with anyone but the people you will clash with for interesting moments
>You could have gotten to know bakool ja ja better and represent both sides of the race war in this zone you both come from
>Instead you just cook the perfect meal and beat him up yyaaaaayy wuk lamat never gets push back and just keeps winning forever!

Embarassing writing.

>>720084353
The first phantom SMN relic is so fucking good and then they ruined it with the shitty low poly cartoon bat/dragon thing flapping up above it.

>>720084209
>Skipped Eureka
>Skipped Bozja
>Skipping Cresent
No relics for me.

>>720084353
Its worth it this time because stat wise they are pretty disgusting.

I stopped playing this game because there's too much FOMO (shut the fuck up yoshi-p you lying cunt, you know clearing shit after week 1 onwards is a fucking mess) and the community is actually grimey. I don't expect any of these fixed but I really want to start and finish dawntrail already but I can't push my ass to finish the game. Shit feels like a second job.

>>720083880
HW > SB > ARR >>> SHB >>>>>>> EW >>>>> DT

>>720084434
Yeah I hate the bat too

>>720084472
A year and a quarter of daily posting hasn't convinced anyone so far, but you can't let that stop you!!! Keep going!! This is the thread where it all turns around!!

>>720084284
perhaps ease up on the "dawntrail killed my father and raped my mother" posts if this is the reaction you have to me saying the expansion was painfully average. i can backhandedly agree with you and you will still have a temper tantrum that actually it was the worst thing ever. completely childish

>>720084429
ENDWALKER
EEEEEEEEEENDWALKER you dumb shit
NOT DAWNTRAIL

>>720084506
What's the ilvl? Isn't it just 645?

>>720084578
Keep going!! The next post could be the one!! You just need to keep calling people idiots and they'll realize that you were right all along!!! Ganbarre!!!!

>>720084578
But it wasn't painfully average, it was very much below mediocre, it was worse than ARR in everything but visual fidelity.

>>720084553
>A year and a quarter of daily posting
Nice self-report, retard.

>>720084446
You don'r need to do OC for the DT relics. They dropped that real quick once they realized everyone hates it.

>>720084578
DT was the worst thing ever, you tranny faggot. You must be kate because no one else could possibly defend it.

>>720084706
You can do it!!! It can't all be for nothing!!! You can't have devoted every night of your life for over a year just to have it all result in nothing!!! Go go go!! Don't give up!!! Everyone will realize Dawntrail was great!!!

>>720084618
760

>>720084710
Yeah I've been grinding fates on and off. Got 5 atmas so farm.

>>720084683
I actually think ARR looks better. Visually DT looks like a Saturday morning cartoon for babies.

>>720084763
I'm sorry what.

>>720084763
Eh fuck, fine. Guess I'll get the God damn books again..

>>720084850
You can do it!!! It can't all be for nothing!!! You can't have devoted every night of your life for over a year just to have it all result in nothing!!! Go go go!! Don't give up!!! Everyone will realize Dawntrail was bad!!!

>>720084791
ARR was crafted with more heart and loved what they were doing. Dawntrail was crafted by people who were working to diversity quotas.

I can't find a good glamour for DT....

>>720084885
This doesn't work because everyone has agreed since launch week that Dawntrail is shit lol

>>720084926
When in doubt just wear your job's AF

>>720084859
RDM one has like a 34% stat increase over the Howling Wolf farmed weapon its massive and clearly intended to not be finished by casuals for a long time.

>>720084578
DT is fucking garbage dude
>Look how diverse were are!
>Literally everyone is wearing an uniform and the only difference between them is their fucking job
Comical

>>720067170
>how would (you) fix FFXIV?
More Big Black male Roegadyn fanservice. I only need Big Black Roegadyn males to enjoy FFXIV

>>720085008
I'm already half done and I've literally been doing the bare minimum.

>>720085021
>DT is the worst ever
>look inside
>the same snippets of 7.0 everybody else has cried about for a year
Move on

>>720084885
>>720084706
>>720084578
>>720084472
Holy shit this dude is boiling lmao

>>720085125
What you wanted more problems?

None of ShB, DT, or EW has happened. We're just adrift in the void between shards.

>>720085125
>DT is.... LE GOOD!!!...
>"ok why?"
>because... because um ITS BEEN A YEAR OK?? MOLVE ON!!
What HRT does to a tranny.

>>720085145
Somehow still not boiling as hard as the guy back-searching that AVGN image hash, that is critical levels of non-argument.

>>720085159
He doesn't understand that if a game doesn't fix it's problems it doesn't matter how old your criticisms are. He thinks your only allowed to complain if you have a criticism of the game from one week ago. In short, he's a product of the 24 hour News-cycle generation.

No Stormblood is not suddenly good

uhh my wifes expansion was fine actually

>>720085323
It doesn't even matter whether I'm mad or not. I wasn't so mad I checked hashes for a post I didn't like to try and find a post history for it.

>>720085328
>lyse
>alisaie
>yugiri
>cirina
>kurenai
>yotsuyu
>fordola
the gaming is healing expansion

>>720085429
>It doesn't even matter whether I'm mad or not.
You are mad tho.

>>720085286
SB was always good, you're just a woman who hates politics and fun job designs

>>720085286
I'm playing it right now and yeah, it is.

>>720080214
They jumped ship to Loporrit Synch almost instantly.

They need to mention rape in the MSQ again.

>>720085473
Oops, this gif was in older FFXIV threads. That means you are mad.

stormblood revisionists......

>>720085557
How'd you know that if you didn't backtrace it? Are you mad or something?

>>720085545
This. We had plenty of rape through SB and now I can't even remember the last rape.

Stormblood had so much SOVL

>>720085286
I liked parts of it, but it's different to Heavensward and Shadowbringers for sure.
However it still had Krile being badass, it introduced Zenos, it had Gosetsu being his best and Yotsuyu. It had Estinien being a badass, it had my relationship with Alisaie finally taking hold.

>>720085598
Milk man.

>>720085434
all of those girls are really boring, so it does line up with the "gaming is healing" threads

>>720085576
Yeah retards hated SB so what

>>720085676
my bad, forgot to mention sadu.

>>720085739
now we're talking

>>720085629
>pic
GIWTWM

>>720084791
I meant purely the texture quality, not visual design. Visual design in ARR is superior to DT's.

>>720080668
Unironically he's just gooning and raiding. Saw him a lot at ERP clubs all over Crystal

>>720085825
>Visual design in ARR is superior to DT

>>720085825
And I don't just mean design. Like you said, texture quality: everything in DT is too sharp. Looks like a cartoon.

>>720085598
>I can't even remember the last rape
We, the playerbase were raped with the shite that was Dawntrail. Raped by this Furry bastard.

>>720085991
It is.