Thread 720195846

You DID beat Act 1 before the nerf, right?

>Fixed permanent nude bug
BOOOO!

>caved and made the game easier
Shit/update.
Shit devs.
Refunded.

>>720195846 (OP)
>spineless devs
fuck em

>>720196294
You are not entitled to a fixed difficulty.

What the point of nerfing the first boss?

If these people can't beat it there is no way they will complete any metroidvania games.

>bug fixes
That's very rude, they have lives, you can't just "fix" a person
Anyway these are not particularly significant changes.

>>720195846 (OP)
>Sister Splinter
>Moorwing
Huh? Why nerf these bosses? They're pretty easy to read bosses.

>>720196361
The devs released it that way because that's what they thought was best. This is them caving in to casual gamer demands.

>>720196505
I've seen people struggle hard on flower jumps.

It's hopeless, we just need to wait for the tourists to cry and leave.

Too bad the devs are folding that easily.

>>720196602
I guess they were wrong. The fixes to other bugs (haha) is proof that they are not perfect.

>"No, you don't understand, they wont make the game easier because they already sold a lot of copies and they don't need to do anything"
>Didn't even took a entire week and they already made the game easier
HAHAHHA WHERE IS THE FAGGOTS SAYING THEY WOULDN'T NEVER NERF ANYTHING NOW? KEEEEEEEEEK "MUH DEVS VISION" Faggots in SHAMBLES right now

>Nerf Sister Splinter
>Not Beastfly
I mean Moorwing has too fucking much HP so it's understandable

>>720196505
A lot of people who left negative reviews never got past Greymoor and Shellwood.

>people giving bad reviews were struggling on THIS
No fucking way lmao

>>720196653
Lol when they get to the clock area

>>720196835
One of better bosses with gimmicks in the game, most act 2 bosses are shit except for dancers

Sister splinter, really? Why?

Does any boss fight with adds just make people's heads explode?

>>720195846 (OP)
Yeah yeah YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME etc. etc. Moorwing and Sister Splinter are very easy to read, but the tankiness and damage output of Moorwing, and the annoying ads with Sister Splinter made those fights pretty unfun, Moorwing I think would actually be a pretty fun fight if it didn't take forever to kill him, he could use a health reduction imo, I'm interested to see what their "fix" for splinter will be, the ads are the thing I see people complain about most, is their health going to be nerfed? or their damage? Or is she just gonna have her health toned down?

>>720196505
I struggled on both these bosses. Moorwing was not easy to read and his attacks take up the whole goddamn screen. Trying to space him out puts him offscreen too which is annoying AF. The camera legitimately feels too close to your character for the way this fight was designed.
Sister Splinter would be easy as fuck without all the adds.

If you dont have a gog offline installer downloaded before the patch hits, you have never and WILL NEVER BEAT THE GAME.

>>720196869
The gears are definitely getting nerfed next

>>720196869
>>720197076
Normies will have to actually reach that area first before they can complain about it.

>>720196602
They were wrong and now they have data to show them what is best. Moorwing and Sister Splinter need a nerf according to their data. This change is now what they think is best.
So, your "argument" is stupid.

>>720196927
>Does any boss fight with adds just make people's heads explode?
yes. i can think back to a ton of conversations with just people i personally know who've gotten assblasted at bosses with adds. there's some kind of universal phenomenon that turns people retarded the moment adds are introduced.

>>720196927
>boss with adds
Really depends on the scale of your screen. I have a big monitor and it gets tough for me, tho sister splinter wasn't hard

Welp better get my trophies asap

Don't wanna be one of those Nioh 1 conquered faggots

>>720197209
Nope, the game is a giant success. They actually read the data wrong, and listened to the vocal minority.

>>720197209
Their data are 500k players who never played any metroidvania games before complaining about difficulty.

I would not rely on that data.

>>720196835
This very easy for me. Took like 4 tries.
No one is talking about the last judge because they haven't even got there yet i suppose. The runback is fucking disgusting.

>>720196679
They are not wrong. The game is a success. Changing perfection is stupid.

>>720195846 (OP)
>making an easy game even easier
why though?

>>720197136
Coming up on a week since release, so normies are going to start getting into act 2 areas and complaining about everything there, the gears doing 2 damage for what normies will describe as a "path of pain sequence" (it's literally no harder than regular white palace and is far shorter) will immediately become the new thing to rage about

>>720197292
>>720197323
How do you know they're even listening to anyone?
They can see where players got stuck and quit the game.
Those two bosses were an obvious roadblock for too many people early in the game. They are fixing that issue. It's as simple as that.

>>720197408
They'll add a bench in that little area up top right before the boss room, and they'll probably put one in Bilewater too

>>720196980
>Moorwing was not easy to read and his attacks take up the whole goddamn screen.
How? Even his upgraded wind blades are just doing the same pattern. He's pretty easy to deal with.
>adds
Use your silk skill to destroy the vines and then add at the same time.

This is why there should be difficulty options.

Time to disconnect my ps5 pro from the internet

>>720197437
This, they aren't nerfing Beastfly cause it's an optional challenge, Moorwing (if you don't skip him with the fleas) blocks entry to Bellhart and pretty much the entire second half of Act 1, Sister Splinter gives you access to wall climb which opens up the game immensely and is required to progress the story

Both of these bosses are fought before you have access to most tools, silk abilities, and any needle upgrades, they're the early game walls, and I'm sure they've seen data of players ragequitting to them

>>720197437
If you made 50 million fucking dollerydoos on the first game EACH
you don't have to patch shit based on player drop off in the sequel you made purely out of love for the devving and creation.

So they did it because -
A. They're greedy jews and want to make another 50 million bux each
B. They caved and bent the knee to casuls because they're soi

There is no other factual, rational, empiric reason.

>>720197214
>there's some kind of universal phenomenon that turns people retarded the moment adds are introduced.
just imagine how hard they're gonna nerf the high halls gauntlet once normies reach it

I think this gives the case to have difficulty options. You just ruin the whole game because you listen to the complaints of the minority when you only have one difficulty. With difficulty options you can point to those with skill issues and say they should play on "weenie hut junior" mode instead.

>>720195846 (OP)
So when people were bitching on reddit about the game being too hard and runbacks it was about these TWO? I died a fair amount of times to these but I never felt like they were unfair or anything, they have like three attacks you just need to use your brain a little

>>720197408
After a few runbacks it gets easy. Less than a minute

>>720195846 (OP)
People had trouble with Splinter? Really?

How can you tell what "act" you're currently in? How do you know when one act ends and another one begins? It doesn't make sense.

>>720197683
You are a retard, bro. There are plenty of rational reasons they might want to change their game's balance that have nothing to do with your schizo-babble.
>>720197661
Exactly.

>>720197848
It literally tells you, which means you are in Act 0

>>720197848
The game will tell you

>devs add tools and skills to easily deal with adds
>people don't use them
>cry on reddit and bomb reviews

>>720196927
to be fair, these fights are just garbage because the way RNG works is retarded
bosses can just spam spawning ads if you're unlucky and then flying enemies also just like fucking off to africa sometimes too

>>720197848
>pepenigger is retarded
of course

>>720197429
It's great that the difficulty is in the platforming as well as the combat. I prefer the platforming challenges than the boss battles

>>720197886
>>720197894
Fair enough, but I've seen people describe other using the same terminology

>>720196980
I think it's pretty obvious that you want to stay under moorwing at all times, pretty easy and well telegraphed boss I thought

>>720198021
other games*

>Nerf Moorwing & Sister Splinter

That's a really weird choice. I can understand wanting to make the early game bosses easier so people are more likely to get invested into the game and see it through, but at the risk of sounding like a gamer elitist; if you're having trouble with Moorwing, you're not going to be able to beat The Last Judge

>>720198034
Stay under him? He swoops down and flies across the ground constantly and he throws those razorblades under him too.

>>720197751
That's why there is no point in nerfing them.

People struggling on this are obviously not the target audience and will never finish the game anyway.

>>720195846 (OP)
Buffing bead rewards on deliveries is actually a fair change. 120 is nothing by the time you unlock the quests, so it never felt like it was worth the trips.

>>720195846 (OP)
Yes.

>>720195846 (OP)
>didnt fix dash-jump delay on steamdeck
ugh, if you play on desktop, no issue, all jumps 1:1 with the press
but if you play on steamdeck, the sprint jump and ONLY the sprint jump is 0.5 seconds delayed.

>>720195846 (OP)
I pretty much posted this in the silksong thread but figured I might as well share this here too.
Nerfing moorwing is dumb and it's just because retards don't realize that if an optional boss is too difficult, just come back later after you get upgrades. Not everything needs to be easily beatable as soon as you encounter it.
I didn't bother too much with it until I gotdouble jumpand easily beat it the first try after that

>>720196505
Moorwing was easy to read but I swear his boomerangs are glitchy. Half the time they run along the ground towards me, the other half away from me, one time one glitched and got stuck in the ground spinning so it was just a permanent obstacle from then on.

Beat it anyways.

>>720196436
the first boss is mossmother, untouched.
moorwing is the one to the right of the bell town in greymoor, no? Sister splinter is even further beyond that.

>>720195846 (OP)
The bosses they nerfed are easy though? I can agree with tweaking Rosary costs because certain areas are rather Pilgrim-light in Act 1 but those two absolutely aren't the bosses I'd nerf. The gauntlet in Hunter's March is harder than those.
>Moorwing literally has a Dark Souls NPC summon
>Sister Splinter is so basic it might as well be a Nintendo boss

>>720195846 (OP)
How do you even get captured in the Slag? I am at a point where I revealed most of the map and never encountered this capture thing, whereever it is.

>>720197880
>There are plenty of rational reasons they might want to change their game's balance
Such as

>>720196726
Your ESL is showing

You can't even reload the Rosary Cannon with keyboard, dev...

>>720198443
>I need to do the optional boss RIGHT NOW, this is bad game design and artificial difficulty
>I need to buy all the stuff in the shop RIGHT NOW, buff rosary drops or I give bad review

>>720195846 (OP)
Yes
That said, good on them for realizing that early game is both grueling and boring enough to turn off people from replaying the game
I expect cogwork wheels and 2 mask contact damage enemies to get the nerf in the next patch

Once again, this would have never happened if they had implemented 2 levels of difficulty.

>>720195846 (OP)
I think I skipped moorwing by taking the flea caravan

>>720198795
Then you will meet him later

>>720198819
I look forward to handing his ass to him

>>720195846 (OP)
>nerf
go back leldditranny

>>720195846 (OP)
Moorwing wasn't that hard, it just had a bit too much HP.

>>720196980
>Moorwing was not easy to read and his attacks take up the whole goddamn screen
retard, had all his moves down quickly personally.
>his charge
jump and down stab him, you have time to hit him once more too
>he yells and opens his mouth
hes going to go for the slash attack, back off then punish him, he never has a follow up
>boomerang
if close, jump over it, smack him 3 times, if far, back off and go under it, dash and hit him once
phase 2 moves
>dash
same as before, but he tosses ONE boomerang after, so only hit him once then jump over the attack and hit him twice more
>boomerang
he throws 2, see above and figure it out
>the double boomerang thing
if close, hit him once, go under the rang coming at you, hit him again, jump over the OTHER rang as it comes across the floor, hit him again.
if far, just wait it out and jump over the second rang.
wow.

I swear this board doesnt get the simple idea of playing slow and passive the first time round to learn moves, THEN trying to fight, instead of just slamming their head into an unfamilliar fight and bitching about not knowing how to dodge a move they havent seen yet.
stop getting greedy and aggressive on a boss you dont know how they attack until you are sure what move is what first.

>>720196980
You can just oneshot all the adds with silk spear
The only real bullshit about the fight is that she damages you when she gets stunned and falls on you and you have no way of knowing that the first time

>>720195846 (OP)
Added my bad review to the pile

>>720196602
>The devs released it that way because that's what they thought was best.
Not a fan of the difficulty reduction but this is a flawed argument. They have also released the game with numerous bugs and glitches. Did they also think that's the best? Should they have not fixed the issues?

>>720195846 (OP)
Sister Splinter doesn't need a nerf lmao who bitched about that?

>>720198919
Moorwing slapped me once, but he really has generous tells. Even the two boomerangs colliding on the ground and rebounding has a very distinct sound effect to help you out.

>>720199009
>They have also released the game with numerous bugs

I'm currently 2-5 attempting and beating every boss so far I'm 13 hours in
I'm retarded at 2d combat and platforming
I even struggled with early game SotN until I got some gear and mist form

I'm gonna make it bros

Git gud isn't a meme it's a prescription for late stage instant gratification syndrome and movie game brain rot

>>720198630
>"muh esl"
That's all you got now? HAHAHAHAHAH COPE, your devs have no Vision and YOU LOST faggot

>>720197323
>Their data are 500k players
Where the fuck did you get that number from, lmao

>>720199009
>flawed argument
>offers a retarded disingenuous whataboutism
So this is the power of the fence sitter

>>720196980
Most people didn't kill Moorwing legit, probably 80% of players used the exploit. He's even harder than Last Judge to do legit without the platform or entrance cheese.

>>720199057
This is what happens with shills, now they have to pretend that is a good thing after a entire week saying to others "git gud", just always moving the goalpost LMAO

>>720195846 (OP)
That's it?

>>720199132
https://steamdb.info/app/1030300/charts/

>>720199230
Second patch is being worked on

>>720199191
Lmao no, Judge is harder because of the psychological strain once you are aware of the runback.

>>720199209
I will admit I was wrong. I was 90% sure they wouldn't patch in easier shit.

Shan't be updating the game ever thoughbeit
you might need to tho, as you clearly butthurt about the dreaded -
https://youtu.be/ZEI4-c9x1C4?si=UGbg5zkXjqbMK8Uz

;^)

>>720195939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ

>>720199191
I knew about the flea and cheese, but still did the fight legit because I thought I would just feel cheap and get fucked later down the line if I just go the easy way.

>>720199057
KEK This. They legit thought that the devs would listen to tryhard fags and speedtrannies instead of your average joe that bought the game lmao

>>720199340
stop spamming this shit

>>720199231
>https://steamdb.info/app/1030300/charts/
>concurrent players on steam somehow is equal to total sales on steam, gog, psn, nintendo store, etc
Holy fucking retard

>ask Garmond for help
>he keeps calling you a retard

>>720199339
I accept your concession fag, now better turn off your updates and play the game offline cuz this is going to be patch 1 of many HAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>720195846 (OP)
at least they're starting to realize rosaries are retarded

Patch 2 or 3 they will fix the runback to the boss, that probably will take more time to code tho

>>720199484
FIXED

>>720199475
Uh that's the plan, you fucking b4ain dead casul
Imagine looking forward to multiple patches
Couldn't be me

Moorwing did feel like a bit of a difficulty spike so it makes sense they nerfed it a bit. Honestly the second savage beastfly fight is the hardest thing I've seen in the game, took me significantly more tries than Lace 2.

>>720199135
You have no way of knowing what they were thinking is the best for the game, so your argument is literally out of your ass. Your reasoning that it was released like this means it's best, is nonsensical since clearly devs can make mistakes. You are trying to prove a point that you have zero back up for. Unless we get a message from the devs themselves saying what version they deem best, there's nothing to discuss here.

>>720199542
nah, it fits the theme of exploitation and such

just use the many, many machines to bank them into items if you die a lot, or, stop dying.
Bank excess, so its safe for later.

>>720196602
Actually they released it that way so people would talk about it and create more buzz. They already had the perfectly tweaked easy mode ready to go.

Come on dude, keep the fuck up

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW BITCH?

>hunter's march and savage beastfly untouched
There's still hope, right? They're gonna stop there, right?

I did beat moorwing before the nerf...with help from the knight bug.

>>720199191
I haven't been paying attention to the threads cause I've been playing so much. Do people really think Last Judge is that hard? I enjoyed that fight. The run back to it was annoying but you can find a pretty quick route.

>>720199692
Nope
Marikas stakes incoming

>>720199635
nah they're just a badly implemented mechanic. you need hundreds for early game vendors and there aren't enough sources of them. you have to grind them out if you want to buy shit and the enemies that drop them don't respawn on screen transition so it means going all the way back to a bench. just awful design in a single player game.

>>720199645
>schizophrenic headcanon
okay, anon. time for bed.

>>720199692
No, there's blood in the water now, Reddit will whinge and whinge and whinge until it's easy enough for them to play. They did it to Helldivers 2 as well.

>>720197209
moorwing is one of the easiest bosses though, you can pretty much just pogo it to death

>>720199616
>noooo you casual looking forward to easy mode patchs
Faggot if i wanted easy mode i would just download mods. And i also play this game on Keyboard and mouse and have 0 fucking issues LMAO. You are just a retard who really thought that the devs would listen to Speetrannies and tryhard faggots instead of 99% of the player base that sucks ass, because devs "muh vision"

>>720199542
Not really. They should've just increased the amount of beads dropped from enemies, not the rewards from relics and psalm cylinders.

>>720199734
>you need hundreds for early game vendors and there aren't enough sources of them
you dont have to buy every item as soon as you can, anon, HK was the same, not enough geo to empty every store instantly.
>you have to grind them out if you want to buy shit
no, you dont. just come back later when you are richer. if you grind them now, thats on you, but lategame theyd be fucking pointless since you have everything. The only thing then is benches kek
just stop being a pussy and play the game, the 500 key is literally a signal of "come back later" to you
>the enemies that drop them don't respawn on screen transition so it means going all the way back to a bench. just awful design in a single player game.
maybe thats the games way of telling you that you dont need to, and shouldnt want to grind, anon?
Just.
Play.
The.
Game.

you will get rosaries as you progress, nigger.

>>720199736
It's the "Sonic's movie design" situation all over again, come on you can't be this retarded

It's so funny that poser elitists and TC bootlickers turn on each other now because TC has absolutely no vision and just been tweaking the game for 10 years subjecting to whoever produces the loudest voice.

>>720199873
>schizophrenic headcanon

>>720199874
>listening to customers is bad

>>720199191
I legitimately was surprised when people started saying moorwing was a roadblock. Maybe I got lucky but I beat him less than 5 tries. Just jump over the saws retards. Like wtf.

>>720199874
Indeed, this is a very funny thread

>>720199692
>savage beastfly
You actually enjoyed that dogshit fight?What are you, retarded?

>>720199871
Let it go anon
He has terminal "BUY ALL THE THINGS NOOOOOOOOOOOOW" instant gratification brain rot

>>720199940
same, and two deaths were 100% on me rushing or fucking up buttons because I literally thought "meh hes easy why bother focusing"
kek

>>720199904
According to faggots crying about this patch because it's turning the game easier, yes it seems that way for a lot of them

>>720199904
didn't say that

>>720196602
they were wrong and they realized it lol.

>>720199901
>midwit consoomerism

Can't you just play the older version if you want to?

>>720195846 (OP)
>Been taking my time and savouring the game so far
>Only got to Act 2 yesterday after beating Last Judge, spent most of the day scrambling around the underworks and choral chambers

I CAN SAY I STILL BEAT THE GAME

also the last judge run back isn't that bad you fucking pussies, you can dodge every enemy after the first coralfly

>>720195846 (OP)
The cult is getting hit so i'm expecting the feces eaters to start screaming about their rights to be hit in the balls

>>720199940
I took my first death to him and it ended up taking several more attempts after that so it felt like a bit of a spike. Not unreasonably so though. I will say that the knight you can get to help in the fight is totally fucking useless though, which just makes the fight feel more annoying.

Am I just imagining or is there a thing where you turn back and forth to attack faster?

I don't read the forums
how many elden ringbabies are crying about benches being too far?
I could only think of like 2-3 examples
but seriously, after recently playing a disappointed that was ER, SS just hits different with its old school runbacks

>>720200101
So true xisters, runbacks are what make a game fun, not bosses

>>720195846 (OP)
>snitch pick was bugged
>not a delibery scam by the little thief
Soulless

I think the problem is that hollow knight actually wasn't that hard until the DLC shit. You could kinda just facetank shit and rush a lot of damage really fast on a lot of bosses. You get fucked if you do that here in almost all bosses and really need to use your damage windows properly. People just want to mindlessly push through the games and enjoy the non-gameplay aspects of it.

>>720199871
NTA, It doesn't work for the rocks though, the crafting tools are too expensive.
Besides, you say that today, when you'll be in Act 3, your opinion will change greatly. You'll have soooo many stuff remaining to buy, everything giga expensive, you'll hate the farming.

>>720197683
they are both A and B
pathetic

>listening to shitters is bad
yes

>>720200101
You should play MMO games if you like doing chores

>>720195846 (OP)
>t-they won't cave
Lol lmao

>>720200101
The only bench run I've had in the game that I absolutely fucking hated was the bilewater one, which is clearly intentional on their part. All the fucking maggot water areas are such a fucking slog, so much less fun than the rest of the game.

>Contact damage reduced to 1
>Hazard damage reduced to 1
Literally the only changes the game should have

>>720200135
kek you got filtered by runbacks lil sissy lmfao

>>720196294
>>720196052
Yup. Not buying this shit now. I'll just pirate the 1.0 version.

>>720200243
Why? Isn't healing way easier in this game?

>>720200302
>standing still for 3 seconds is easier than being able to cancel your healing

>>720200261
Chores are not filters. It's just a padding for game lacking contents.

>>720197506
>Moorwing
This is one of the flyers with weird hitboxes you get stuck in while trying to pogo

>>720200302
Sure but what does that have to do with either? It's purely to make exploration not feel like dogshit

>>720196505
Moorwing was easy if you fight it on the platform next to the water, so his blades get stuck on the walls of it.

>>720200240
You got so many tools by that point, it's so easy. The boss himself is easy, he has like two ultra telegraphed moves. The summons are easy.

Are people truly playing the game by just pressing the X button and nothing else?

>>720200221
Welp I'm official /v/ lore now.
You won, grats, gg
At least I didn't say Switch 1 or monhun world would bomb

CasualGODs can't stop winning.

>>720200367
Move better, so you take less damage.
Then you won't need to heal.

>>720200172
When you go into HK blind, you might end up doing dream fights way earlier than you're meant to. I know I did Lost Kin way too early, so it's not like the game is devoid of difficulty.

>>720200357
you got filtered by losing to the boss and having to get back to the boss
you got filtered faggot

>>720200218
>playing the platforming game is a chore
true xister, game should only be boss rooms should actually just be a singular tunnel, with benches after each segment then 1m walk to the next section

>>720195846 (OP)
Fuck I'm tired of shills.

>>720200397
it's fine anon, just imagine the shitters reaching act 3, to get walled by the platforming out of the abyss
now this will be funny to read in a week

>>720200421
I'm not even talking about changing the heal

>>720200221
>>720200281
>needs self (you)s

>>720200470
I know, you're talking about taking less damage.
And I'm saying you can take zero damamge by playing better.

>>720200357
nah it's essential for good pacing
use your brain for one

>>720200462
Yeah I saved it.
I've never been in a screencap before, especially for a collosally wrong opinion
Lel

>>720200505
Not an argument

>>720200439
>broken record
A repeated path doesn't filter people because they already reached the end once and it's the same every time.

>>720197501
There is a bench there already, but you can only access it far after the last judge

I love "you didn't beat it" posting

Fucking weak-willed casuals again. Just learn the boss's moveset; it doesn't matter if you die a few times in the process.

More rosaries from relics and psalm cylinders is good though. These are some of the most out-of-the-way obscure items in the game, yet pay a pittance of like 100 rosaries for each one.

>>720200531
>good pacing
>it's just do the same thing again

>>720200553
I'm not making an argument, I'm correct.
Why do you think the damage needs to be reduced?

>>720200564
you lost to a boss because you’re bad and you need something to seethe at and chose the run backs because you don’t have to blame yourself, you got filtered shitter

>>720200386
I mean yes, it only took a couple tries, but the first time I died there I hadn't found the hidden bench halfway up bilewater yet so I got placed all the way back down at the bell station. Even using the hidden bench it's an annoying run back. The comment wasn't about the difficulty of the boss, it was about how annoying the bench run is, and that is an extremely annoying bench run.

>>720200608
yes

>>720195846 (OP)
Lmao! I didn't even knew moorwing existed. I actually explored the game and get to skip the fight altogether as intended

>open silksong reddit
>see this
Holy fuck shitters ARE mad

>>720200614
I already said, so the exploration feels less dogshit.
2 damage hazards actively discourage exploration and trying new things because if you get punished once you effectively get punished twice for no good reason. 2 damage bosses and big enemies are fine, but having functionally 3-5 health at max when there's nothing on screen seems a bit excessive and makes every area feel like the exploding egg section of Fog Canyon

>>720200787
>I already said, so the exploration feels less dogshit.
If you weren't getting hit, it wouldn't feel dogshit.
This just reads as you crying
>WAAAAAH!!!! THE GAME IS TOO HARD! WAAAAH!
But I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're better than that.

I'm surprised Moorwing is getting nerfed. I think he took me five tries which is less than the average Silksong boss because I'm a shitter. I don't know. Picrel was harder the first time I played HK1 but last time I played it I beat him first try. Moorwing reminds me a lot of him, using basically the same tactics to counter his movement besides when he's throwing the shit around. Guess it's just another HK is the tutorial for Silksong moment.

>>720200664
Then it is quick as fuck, especially if you agree the fight is easy. You die like once or twice to gimmicks, and beat him. Hornet is so strong that point. So why complain at all? That's just too funny to read.

Comparatively, the last judge may take you way more times to do because you're way weaker, which means a lot of run backs (even if there is a route to skip the enemies). Now that's a boss where I can sympathize about it.
But Groal? Bro it takes 2 attempts at most and as you said, it's an obvious design choice.
And it's required to go into act 3, so that's a big motivation.

>>720200787
I think a reasonable compromise would be a trinket that reduces damage from spikes/thorns like the one for lava. Or hell, just make the lava one do both since the lava trinket has been pretty much useless the whole game for me.

>>720196602
>The devs released it that way because that's what they thought was best. This is them caving in to casual gamer demands.
It's
Okay
When
It's
/v/
Doing
It

>>720195846 (OP)
>nothing on the Last Judge
this is where I gave up
fuck this game

>>720200768
>taking a break after a straining activity is now bad according to reddit
imagine being mad at basic physiology because you're bad at videogames

>>720201002
https://youtu.be/CcbXK445YBU
use lava charm to not receive double damage from fire and its gonna be great, good luck

>>720200829
>Just never take damage ever
Anon I've finished the game and I'm currently at 95%, it's purely a gamefeel thing. Immediately going to extremes just makes you come off as a hysteric retard

>>720200481
Cope

>>720201061
I know about the charm, but I choke in phase 1 in seconds and the runback is 5 years. I don't wanna play a rage game, thank you very much.

>>720201002
They are specifically reducing the hazard damage of the runback, retard-bro.

>>720200858
You asked for shitty bench runs, that's the shittiest one I've seen in the game. The last judge one wasn't that big a deal, it was very easy to work out a safe and quick route to the boss. Yes, Groal is a relatively easy boss, which is presumably why they felt comfortable making his bench run so shitty, you'll only do it a few times. Every moment spent in bilewater is miserable though. Fucking awful zone.

>>720201002
Here's how you do Last Judge
Phase 1
Just wait for her Jump attack, Poke her 2 times, move away
Phase 2
Wait for her Jump attack that makes the floor fire
Poke her 2 times then keep distance
Just avoid every other attack
Use fucking tools to damage her from far away

Thats literally fucking it.

>>720201158
How about they fix the boss killing me in 3 attacks/bumps in 5 seconds first. Pants on head retarded design.

>>720195846 (OP)
>/v/: "Game devs need to stop listening to the vocal minority and just give the majority of players what they want!"
>Also /v/: "NOOOOOOO! Why are game devs listening to the majority of players and changing the game!? They need to take the opinions of the vocal minority into account!!!"

>>720201076
Why do you think it would make the game feel better than not taking damage? Be specific.
Healing is already super OP in this game, so it doesn't matter that you take damamge most of the time.

>>720201002
Beat Judge on my 10th attempt earlier. It’s really a test of patience by finding the right time to hit them (after their charge and stomping moves) and when to back away to heal.

>>720200440
This, but unironically

>>720201153
>I don't wanna play a rage game
That's Miyazaki's vision. Enjoy not being able to play any modern game.

>>720195846 (OP)
Ok, thank god it isn't too much. I wish they told us exactly what was nerfed. I assume less adds spawns on Splinter and Moorwing doesn't spam his blades as much.
Funny to see Beastfly was untouched.
Dunno what Sandcarvers are, I assume the falling worms in Wormways dealing 1 damage instead of 2? They are supposed to be environemental damage so it makes sense, no big deal really.
And then some money increase, heh, not a huge deal either. Thank got they buffed the courrier deliveries, you make way more money farming a couple citadel rooms than doing an annoying courrier quest.

Let's just hope they keep the nerfs at a minimum.

>>720200650
>I didn't die once to the boss
If that's true, I guess the game is too easy

>>720195846 (OP)
Been in the dark but whats the appeal of this jew made indy game?

>>720201229
its fine brother, you just need to dodge, last judge is a fairly easy boss and you can heal pretty much anytime on it, just take a break and try again later, if you are choking in 5 seconds, thats skill issue, pretty easy phase one, runback is fine as well.

>>720195846 (OP)
if you beat the game after all that, it doesn't mean anything. not an accomplishment in the least. Kudos to the hundreds who truly played and beat the real game.

>>720201256
Why would healing matter in platforming sections with zero enemies to get silk from

>>720201153
every attack is telegraphed and the runback is safe and less than 20 seconds
it's probably better you quit now than deal with the actual hard bosses and painful runbacks later on

>>720201315
good metroidvania, simple as that

>>720195846 (OP)
No I'm playing two games at once and enjoying my sweet time. (now I run screaming from thread to avoid spoilders)

>>720201336
Because you said you took damage on those sections.
Please stop dodging my question and tell me why it would make the game feel better if the platforming sections were all twice as easy.

>>720198464
Because he has two attacks. The basic one where he simply throws his boomerands in a left/right arc, and the phase 2 one where he throws them in a circle around him and they go along the floor.

Shitters ruin yet another game.
RIP release day Balteus I will never forget you.

Lace 2 made me feel like I'm getting old because it was so fucking fast. Satisfying to beat though. I just unlocked the parry, am I correct in assuming that it would have been extremely powerful against Lace 2?

Honestly, my favorite fight in the game so far was the clockwork dancers. It's not a tremendous challenge or anything it was just really fun and novel.

>>720201356
>it's probably better you quit now than deal with the actual hard bosses and painful runbacks later on
Like I said I already quit, I won't be doing this "walk of shame" runback any more. Hollow Knight was a great game, this is digital masochism.

>>720201054
You got it wrong. It's mocking people who claim to enjoy difficulty but saying they are taking breaks.

Why is everyone saying the game is ruined? It's 2 shitter early game bosses and we don't even know what they changed yet

>>720195846 (OP)
>No nerfs to the fucking Beastfly fight (actual early game filter that most players ignored until they got some damage upgrades)
>Nerfs Moorwing AND FUCKING SISTER SPLINTER
>THE SAME SISTER SPLINTER THAT YOU CAN EASILY HIT BETWEEN ATTACKS AND KILL THE MINIONS WITH 1 ABILITY
What the fuck is the dev team doing? Not only do they make retarded fucking decisions BEFORE releasing the game (run backs are fun, right guise???), they make even more retarded decisions AFTER the fucking game released?
How can they be so fucking incompetent?
What's next, nerfing fucking Widow because niggers can't into 45° angles?

>>720201493
Why do you dislike these walks back to the bosses, but the Hollow Knight ones are good for you?
I only ask because it feels exactly the same to me.

>>720199542
God I hate retards like this.
I'm having so much fun actually having a use for money even halfway through the game. I've never been in need of rosaries either. I always have enough for benches and shit (and the few times I don't I use rosaries). Then I slowly buy out shops as money arises.
Citadel has me drowning in money anyway, I just run around 5 minutes and end up with 500+.

>>720201535
BEASTFLY IS LATE GAME

>>720201578
When people say runbacks I feel like they specifically mean Last Judge and Bilewater

>>720195846 (OP)
>nerfed morwing but no mention of fixing the cheese strat to beat him

>>720201521
you do realize that both are possible retard
how short sighted are you actually?

>>720195846 (OP)
No matter the game...

>>720201617
>fixing cheese strats
>in a single player game

>>720196602
No, this is analyzing post-release data and seeing players struggle more than expected on these forgetable bosses that aren't supposed to be hard.

>>720196602
this.
i'm a bit disappointed.

>>720201667
TRUTH NUKE

Seeing this vtuber play and the grub boss is using royalty free groans? how cheap can you get?

>>720201578
Because HK bosses were vastly easier and you didn't die in 5 seconds on your first few attempts? Silksong's main bosses are like fighting Radiance, no joke. Except Radiance was slower lol

how the fuck do you get this ending? i'm going insane

>>720201535
>actual early game filter that most players ignored until they got some damage upgrades
So, the intended way?

>>720201735
So it's just a difficulty issue? That's fair.

>>720201629
Look at the text. It's clearly against posers.
Also normal people don't announce taking breaks. Be reasonable, anon.

>>720199871
Giga cope

>>720201597
I've had to grind for at least 2 to 3 hours to actually be able to buy shit in the shops.
Because who would've thought that spending upwards of 80 beads per bench, per area (there are often multiple benches in one area) would eat the player' savings?
And that's not even mentioning the absurd prices in the store (800+ for a fucking "charm", really?) or the bell stations.

>>720201756
It is still a bullshit fight. The fucking beastly can clip through 60% of an enemy sprite and still not kill it with the downwards smash.

>>720201836
I haven't, and I bought every single bench. I even lost a good thousand to deaths. Explain this
My only guess is that you lost more than me in deaths

>>720201820
>Look at the text. It's clearly against posers.
Post a specific quote.

>>720197209
just like radahn in er base, now he's piss easy. they shouldn't have caved

>>720201836
I had to mute the game and listen to stuff in the background while farming for a few hours.

>>720201923
I don't go to reddit

>>720195846 (OP)
Are "sandcarvers" the environmental hazard in Blasted Steps?

>>720201921
You probably missed like 50% of the shops available to you at any time then.
Not surprising, since a decent chunk of them are hidden behind walls.

>LMAO GIT GUD THE DEVS WON'T NERF SHIT
Looking forward to when they fix other bullshit like enemies not dropping quest materials until after you accept the quest, that only enforces farming since there's a very good chance you've already been through the area with the enemies before you picked up the quest.

>>720201984
>He can't do it
Concession accepted.

>>720202029
>shops hidden behind walls
wait what

>>720202059
Yeah I wouldn't mind at all if that was changed.

>>720195846 (OP)
Only two zones I really hated were cold one and coral one and its going to be a week at least until "general population" gets there.
What exactly did they do to Moorwing? If they just toned down HP a little I am fine with that, it did feel like boss can be a bit too fat given how early you can reach him.
And I have 0 clue why sister splinter even was nerfed.

>>720199901
Overconfident midwit in action. That is exactly why this style of marketing works on you naive retards

>>720200768
based silksong redditors for calling out soulslop taking a break enjoyers

>>720202059
>>720202151
Portrait of Ruin and Order of Ecclesia had the same issue. Team Cherry can't even fix retarded systems from decades ago.

>>720199191
>>720199940
I beat Moorwing my first try. Didn't even realize it was supposed to be a problem. Meanwhile Savage Beastfly redux took me an entire goddamned hour.

>>720202097
It's ok if you want to defend reddit posers on an anime feet image board just because they said some common words that you feel related.

>>720197408
Runback isn't that bad, but those fucking lingering arena-wide fire circles that instant ignites and hits for 2dmg.
Yeah, that's pure bs and is just there so you can't back off and heal.

>>720195846 (OP)
small beer desu

If Forsen can beat act 1 on a keyboard and mouse, it's not hard.

>>720195846 (OP)
yeah, I don't know why they're nerfing shit, game was perfectly good already, I also don't get the rosary complaints from people, I never struggled with money at all in the game, and I was a stubborn retard that didn't break any of the rosary items, I don't know why people have this expectation of buying out a shop the first time you come across it, it's perfectly fine to buy a thing or two and then keep a mental note to return to it later instead of immediately grinding, if someone even mentions that word at all to me I just discard their opinion

>>720202141
>thinks the rosary economy has no problems
>doesnt know shops are hidden behind walls
KEEEEK

>>720202231
Why are you still replying?
I already accepted your concession.

>>720202141
I am fairly sure he is full of shit, only ant and arguably Grindle are somewhat missable.

>>720200768
>take a break
>never come back
Many such cases proven by steam achievements.

>>720199690
Kek

>>720200059
>schizophrenic headcanon
do you shadowbox the strawmen you create often?

>>720201732
>watching vcancer
how retarded can you get?

>>720202309
I'm not the other anon, I hate the rosaries lmao

>>720202270
I did Karak on KBM. I think I worn out my spacebar kek.

>>720202312
It's ok anon. You misunderstood the image. Doesn't want to admit looking silly. We all been there.

>>720202270
keyboard is so much easier than controller though

>>720196738
>beastfly was the hardest boss of act 1
>halfway through act 2 and second beastfly is so far the hardest boss of act 2

>>720202315
Would post map, but there were at least 3-4 hidden shops in Act 1 alone.
And that's without taking into account the refills that can occur with progression.

>>720202424
I didn't. What do you think I misunderstood?
Be specific.

>>720196835
I had no problems with her but it's clear they were developing the game with small knight in mind, som bosses just hog too much space

>>720202309
I'm not that guy, I don't have money problems precisely because I explore and find all the hidden walls. Also I never said I bought everything in shops, which is exactly your problem, you farm to buy everything immediatly. I bought everything of importance, and I slowly empty the rest.

>>720201669
It's just curious. And don't tell me that doesn't happen all the time these days.

>>720195846 (OP)
Yes! I got the cursed ending first because I got cursed a bit after I defeated Cogwork Dancers[/spoilers], so I had to do the Vault + High Halls + Cogwork Core while cursed, since I didn't want to miss out on this ending by healing Hornet. Honestly, it was really fun. It forced me to get good since I lost the ability to heal, use silk skills and tools lmao.

>map for starting areas are more expensive than late game maps
glad they fixed it, that was retarded

>>720195846 (OP)
Fug. They actually catered the demands of the grifters? It was great while it lasted I guess.

>>720200183
couple of things
The "rocks" im guessing are the shards? theyre meant to be relatively low output to limit you spamming tools, since the tools would objectively rape the challenge if they were paid for per kill and all, especially when you get upgrades. Imagine poison darts paying for themselves.
case in point, the spitting guy to the topleft of not-dirtmouth gives an item that only gives IIRC 80 shards, or about 18% of a base pouch. That isnt much, is it? but it is enough for 26 throwing knives.

There is a charm early on to generate more shards if you want more tools though.

secondly, im in the final arc of the game, I could finish it im just cleaning up. Please dont project your own skill insecurities onto me. I have never farmed, its okay to not buy every item, anon.
granted if I want some autistic 100%, id probably need some grinding to get 100% items, right now theres a charm or two, some map pins, and something else ive never bought, and like I said, im able to end the game now.

Can you turn achivements off on Steam yet?

>>720201054
Zoomers cannot fathom that you can just not try to do something in one sitting because exhaustion and anger get in the way of playing well.
Need that instant gratification NOW or else the game sucks.

>>720202536
>which is exactly your problem, you farm to buy everything immediatly
Its not my problem lmaoo

>>720196505
Look at the achievement rates. Console players weren't getting past the bell boss. PC players were only getting past by cheating.

>>720202370
Some girls are cute.

>>720200243
Why?
you heal literally like 6 times more efficiently

2x speed to heal 3HP
safer heal, can do in the air
9hits per 3HP -1 per silk recharge upgrade
getting more silk means leftover for the next heal

logging them all in, to heal like 30HP it is 6x more efficient in silksong.

>>720202568
tell me what to avoid so I don't get cursed early.

>>720201421
Nta but hazards and contact damage = one damage. This is how god intended.

>>720200934
fyi, the trinket also reduces fire damage from enemies.

NTA but its kind of retarded for anyone to argue 2 damage hazards shouldnt exist, like some little spikes are the same as a literal lava pool or chainsaw, but like the other anon said, why lower damage to 1 when the game has such a powerful heal compared to HK

>>720202903
Nah.

>>720200429
>People just want to mindlessly push through the games and enjoy the non-gameplay aspects of it.
see >>720199602

>>720201054
I get really into it and dont WANT to take a break, because "look, im going to get it, this guy isnt hard I just keep fucking up, next time I wont fuck up"
then my gf will usually point out im fucking up, i'll take a break, come back and one shot it

you absolutely should take a break if you need to regain focus.

>>720202881
There's a crying baby that gets put in your inventory at one point, when you figure out who to give it to, that person will offer you a new quest, don't accept that quest until you're ready.

>>720196505
I died a bit on these bosses but it was because I'm retarded and kept dashing into the fucking minion spin attack and the phase two air cutter attack

>>720196602
No, the most up to date version is always what they think is best. They are not caving to anything, they are improving the game in a way that they want to.

>>720203207
ok thanks.

>>720202920
Yeah I figured that out when trying to figure out how to beat beastfly 2. But it still isn't that useful a trinket even with that in mind.

>>720201336
because you dishonest niggertard, healing is so powerful that you can offset a major amount of damage thus ignoring the issue of being shit at platforming
you say "no enemies" but the fact is there is always a nearby enemy to regain silk from in 90% of the platforming sections, very rarely can I think of spots where there werent.
even so, platforming is a challenge just as much as combat is. Why do you want easy platforming? just go play a different game then?

why doesn't steam let me say "never update this game" anymore. they're going to force this shit on me because im slow and i'll never be a real gamer

>>720202636
No he's talking about objects in the environment that give rosaries, there's both the strings hanging from a ceiling and the monk statues with rosaries hanging on the neck. Both tend to give 20, maybe 30 at most and that's even assuming you grab all of them and don't lose some to the bead rolling off the ledge into spikes. In act 1 these are pretty much your only source of rosaries since barely anything drops them.

>>720201315
good game
hand crafted
only 3 devs yet matches if not exceeds any other indieslop or AAAslop
has soul just like HJK did

we get it, you dont like it. Good for you, but your contrarianism wont work here.

>>720203478
They never really allowed it. That option didn't install updates without your approval but it also didn't let you play games that you hadn't updated. Steam has never allowed you to just keep playing games without updating them.

>>720201756
please understand anon, /v/ is mostly kids zoomers, indians and chinese now.
They simply do not understand how to play games logically, they grew up on movie games.

Pic related, anon was saying that the bounce segments were bs as you cant know when to do them, one anon pointed out the red buds all had vines on them at 45 degree angles, which let you line up with them
and the retard gods honest replied with
"but the vines are on the other side, none of them have vines on the top side"

in the same thread people were claiming you HAD to go do hunters march early (its not even that hard, guys) and when they finally admitted the deep docks route existed, they called the game linear, since theres only "one true option"
>he didnt find the wormways
>he didnt find the farfields route
>he didnt find the greymoor route
>he didnt find the deepdocks door route
like christ I didnt get around to hunters march until after the bell town because I just kept pushing on, I didnt get the dash until like 5 hours in kek

they simply do NOT understand "come back later" mechanics

Wait, they removed a flying ant in a pogo area

>>720201667
I hate the idea of making games easier for plebs, and dont want to defend them for doing this... but, hes wrong anyway.
The goal isnt to make it easier for everyone, its to make it easier for more people.

no, you cant solve povery by printing money, but you can make a few people richer no?
You cant solve the issue of plebs sucking at your game, but you can expand the amount of people playing it massively

its all a matter of artisitc vision + gatekeeping vs appealing to a wider audience.

>>720203793
hornet has a horribly animated flip that is wonkey and stops you from being able to visualize where her center is.
they just made the collision bigger in a patch for this reason.

>>720201202
>not getting parry then immediately doubling back to parry him

>>720197323
>500k players
>not ONE of them played a mvania
>ever
>not in any point
Faggot~kun, you do know that the first game sold 15 mil copies right?
Git gud

>>720201826
>no rebuttal
>no attempt at a counterpoint
>didnt even try to refute
concession accepted, nigger.

>>720201836
you too, are a dumb zoomernigger.
you dont have to buy every item as soon as theyre available, you dumb dumb zoomer.

>>720202214
>yet more schizophrenic shadowboxing
take yer pills, anon. You keep talking to yourself.

>>720197408
It's literal 30 second runback you shitter, you know you can sprint right

>>720195846 (OP)
Absolutely abhorrent pandering to lowest common denomintator. I shant be buying another Team Cherry game if this is how they act.

>>720202214
>I was only pretending to be retarded
did you really just pull that card, anon?

Has anyone figured out what the condition is to trigger Shakra not appearing in the hunter's march challenge.

>>720203187
>then my gf will usually point out im fucking up
>didn't even give you a BJ
Look for another girl, this isn't the one

>>720199628
>>720199009
>comparing programming errors to balance decisions

>>720203931
I agree.

>>720204367
fun fact, I learned somewhere that companies like EA and probably all the major ones banned the use of difficulty modes mocking players, or even so much as suggesting which one was "intended" as that could hurt the fee wees of people playing below the intended challenge.

we uh, we coddle way to much for these babies

>>720202536
>I don't have money problems precisely because I explore and find all the hidden walls
Just wait until you find the architect, have to buy the nectar for dmg upgrade, and donate to the towns.

>signis
what a shit fight

>>720204045
Another giga cope kek

I'm tired of unskilled apes presuring devs into holding their mangled hands

>caravan fucks off together with the bench before I got to fight skull tyrant
Nevermind, fuck this shitty game

>>720196602
>The devs released it that way because that's what they thought was best.

No, they released it that way because they were retgarded and didn't hire out-of-house testers. Literally any tester that was not a Hollow Knight speedrunner would've told them their game was horrible to play and the most unfun thing since prison.

>>720195846 (OP)
Tempted to let the honor of never having played this slop go and pirate 1.0 just to confirm the muh git gud muh prepare to die shills were just as full of shit as HK shills saying it gets good 20 hours in.

>>720204536
>cope
>cope
>cope
you are still wrong, though, and havent shown otherwise.

>>720195846 (OP)
Sister splinter is an odd choice. That's one of the easier bosses.

>>720204558
The last time a normal person playtested Silksong was 4 years ago, its so obvious.

>>720199191
What exploit?

I'm already late into Act 2 and these seem like reasonable changes to me.
I found Moorwing straightforward enough, but was surprised by ho wmuch health it had so I'd hope they nerfed his health more than anything. I've since learnt Moorwing is a very glichty fight that can easily get stuck in the open area you encounter him in, maybe that's being addressed by this patch too.

Sister Splinter did feel a bit too tough for an early game boss, it's like the 4th boss you fight and it's a significant step up in difficulty for the time you encounter it. I think a lot of players haven't quite grasped their silk abilities yet when they face it, and some may not even have a good weapon tool equipped yet either.

I also experienced the floating bug when pogo'ing off of projectiles a few times, glad that's being patched so soon.

>>720199692
It's an optional area so I don't see them touching it.

>>720204685
It's a mandatory boss, and presumably they've seen that a lot of players have been getting stuck there and giving up.

NOT SO FAST PATCH KEKS
https://www.ign.com/articles/hollow-knight-silksong-fans-discover-secret-mode-that-actually-makes-the-game-harder-heres-the-code-to-unlock-it

BASED TEAM CHERRY CATERING TO BASED REAL GAMERS

>>720204513
I've already done all of that
Still have to buy a tool from the architect but I don't have the craftmetal, and a mask shard from the songclave merchant, but I don't need it because I only have 1 shard right now.

>>720202017
Yes.

I was so fucking pissed I beat Last Judge and then found out I had a damage upgrade I could’ve grabbed the whole time from the bell town. No wonder the fight took me actually 5 minutes straight (hit save on ps5 after I finally managed it)

>>720204681
no u

>>720204926
This sounds like bullshit, I mean surely steel mode is just unlocked by finishing the game?
Not really a hard mode either, it's just a don't die mode.

>>720195846 (OP)
How can you develop something for 7 years and still have so many bugs? These retards didn't exist before online updates.

>>720204926
>bragging about steel soul mode, something which was also unlocked by beating the game in hollow knight
>>720205038
You get steel soul mode once you clear act 2. You do not need to clear act 3 for it.

>>720204550
I beat that nigger first try, shitter

>>720195846 (OP)
They should have made a better game to begin with. My autism does not allow me to install an easy mode patch even though the game desperately needs a better economy.
Now I'm in for the long haul.
Also Moorwing is kind of easy. Savage Beastfly is what needed a look at.

>>720196052
>>720196294
And right on cue, the faggot fans start crying bitch tears once the devs make any moves to fix their broken unfun trash game. You fucking crab bucket faggots are actively trying to make the game fail.

>>720195846 (OP)
But sister splinter was easy I first tried her. And moorwing can be skipped until later.

>>720205170
I wasn't addressing the difficulty, you retarded Silkbrained nigger.
I addressed the asinine design to randomly remove the bench. Why are you faggots so insecure about your shitty game, you fucking cunt?

>>720205189
Oh and Sister Splinter was even easier than Moorwing so yeah I don't even know wtf they're smoking.

>>720205090
Most of the time this is justified by developers jobbing, and theres some inexcusable issues in silksong like rosarh cannon being unusable for KBM
But for the most part, its understandable because of how autistically extremely vast silksong is. theres much more to account for than almost any metroidvania
at most i can think of Rain World

>>720204926
Not a secret. It existed in the first game and you can get it by clearing act 2.
It's also a time waste mode, the overwhelming majority of people who do it cheese it to oblivion

>>720204829
You see wrong

>>720196835
the adds were asscancer
but once I started spamming gossimer storm to instakill them the fight became trivial

Moorwing was surprisingly tanky so I could see them reducing HP, but Splinter wasn't bad at all.

>>720204996
>ah, ive been bested and proved a retard
>I know, if I suddenly pretend to be retarded, I can also pretend that I was BAITING all along, therefore, I win!
wont work, nigger.

>>720205189
>Savage Beastfly is what needed a look at.
He's an optional boss. Just come back after getting more tools or upgrades if you can't beat him.

>>720195846 (OP)
>slightly tweak two bosses
Nice of them to find a middle ground that enrages the psychotic fanbase but doesn't actually fix the game.

Here's what I want:
>50% reduction to the health of every enemy, both normal and bosses
>50% reduction to damage of every non-boss enemy
>50% reduction to all rosary costs
>compass does not take a slot, once collected it's simply always on

>>720205427
I assumed making sure players knew when to use silk skills was the point of this boss. I used storm myself, but I've also seen people say spear is good for it too.

>>720205487
I beat the boss ages ago, the fight is just an abysmally designed RNGfest and is completely out of whack in Act 1's difficulty curve.

>>720205276
you are crying about the bench because you died little seething bitch

>>720205539
If you want to play the game on easy mode, there are mods available.

I haven't started yet because I'm busy BUT I saw this coming from a mile away after reading the reactions on the game's difficulty and did this preemptively
That means I can keep hornet naked right?

>>720205484
Another giga cope kek

>>720205539
>compass does not take a slot, once collected it's simply always on
That shit is still a thing? Did they improve on anything at all from Hollow Knight?

>>720195846 (OP)
how do I stop the game from updating...

>>720195846 (OP)
i never play anything on day 1

>>720205697
I don't play games that need mods to be tolerable. I have principles.

>>720196927
They probably couldn't beat the Greymoore bird gauntlet which would have given them that aoe silk ability which trivializes sister splinter.

>>720205767
>That shit is still a thing?
Yep.
>Did they improve on anything at all from Hollow Knight?
Absolutely not. They doubled down on every design mistake they made, thanks to their idiot fucking fanbase telling them the first game was perfect. Textbook toxic positivity.

>>720205587
I disagree. You can manipulate his attacks based on your positioning. He can slam down on his ads if you kite them properly. By Act 1 you have silk storm and tools like poison, triple pin, long pin, and even one nail upgrade if you wait until bellhart.

>>720205789
So you're not playing Silksong?

>>720205251
They still didn't nerf any of the actual hard bosses so keep crying

>>720205767
>>720205539
I'm so tired of compassfags
that's a noob trap charm in HK and it's a noob trap tool in SS.
you put it on when you first get it and it's the only charm you've got, and then take it off when you get to the second area. maybe put it back on in deepnest if you're really desperate.
the rooms are very distinctly shaped so you can always tell which one you're in. if you get lost without it you might actually be a woman.

>>720205934
>boss literally has two moves and is only challenging because he can sometimes summon a flying blender that takes 5 hits to kill

>>720206021
ive never bought either charm
why would I pay money for something I wont use and dont need?
the map is enough, are people THAT bad at navigation? holy shit

>>720205942
Refunded it obviously. I don't play games that are for assholes.

>>720206021
>wanting a functioning map is a noob trap
Or they could have made it a permanent upgrade

>>720206136
Cool. So you only played the game for an hour or so?
Doesn't seem like enough time to "know exactly how to fix it" but I'm glad you got your money back.

>>720206021
>that's a noob trap charm in HK and it's a noob trap tool in SS.

We know. That is literally what we are complaining about. It should not be a noob trap. There should not be ANY noob traps at all. The compass should simply always. Be. On.

>>720195846 (OP)
FUCKING HELL pirating a release copy right now

>>720206021
>one of the most fundamental metroidvania feature is useless bloat actually
Can you please spew your bullshit at someone else, or better yet, kill yourself?

>>720205934
>He can slam down on his ads if you kite them properly.
Even when standing on the ground they can still float high enough to not get smashed. The fight is cancer as a whole. But that's my biggest issue with it.
Not being able to reliably kill the big adds with the smash attack makes it an intolerable RNGfest. You just have to hope it either doesn't summon those or, if it does, beastfly actually does the slam and that the adds will cooperate and fly low enough for it to matter. And since the thing has 10 billion health, it's a roll you have to make over and over.

>>720206196
Look, shithead, it's not some big mystery. It's INCREDIBLY clear the game is too hard, too grindy, and jerks the player around for fun. It's incredibly clear what's wrong with the game to anybody who isn't a retarded blind idiot Team Cherry dicksucker. They didn't learn anything from the first game, they doubled down on it.

I watched streams after I refunded, and I saw I did the right thing. Everything in this game is terribly designed.

>>720206374
Mad cause bad

>>720205789
You suck at games though.

>>720195846 (OP)
so all you do in this game is swing a sword and dodge? are there not any alternate attacks?

>>720206245
>I'm in the gay frog area in a triangle shaped room
>quickmap automatically opens on gay frog area
>there's 2 triangular rooms
>I use my powerful ability to remember which room I was in 5 seconds ago to deduce which one I'm actually in

>>720206374
Why are you getting so upset at me?
I just said I was happy you got your money back. No need to start crying kid.

>>720206021
>yellow tool that is actually somewhat useful
>noobtrap
Nigger, I spent one of my precious craftmetals on fucking scuttlebrace.

>>720206578
sorry anon, magnetite brooch is king
I don't make the rules

>Moorwing and Sister Spinter are early game bosses
What the fuck? I haven't reached either of them yet, and I've been playing every day since release. How long is this game???

>>720205934
You are talking to delusional filtered shitters, they will never accept they’re the problem

>>720206656
There is a chance you have missed Moorwing (its not a permanent state but you can lock yourself out of him if you do flea quest first) and be right behind Sister.
Otherwise what the fuck are you even doing unless you are playing like 3h/day.

>>720198067
I had a easier time with the last judge than moorwing
Flying enemies are the niggers of pharloom

Sister and Moore are fine, its all the gank bosses that are complete garbage like the big drill dude that summons little drill dudes etc.

>>720206686
To be fair you can get buttfucked by fat fuck summon RNG pretty hard. Remove them from the fight and I'd say he is fully manageable.
Basically every my failed attempt was "fat fuck is here and his positioning does not allow me to throw a boss slam above him so I drop my spaghetti trying to navigate both"
And desu none of a1 bosses were difficult, last judge had annoying runup but overall was pretty fair.

"Grinding" in silksong.

>>720206912
I think it's funny that none of the bosses people complained about since release got tweaked in any way.

>>720206405
This is /v/, that's expected

>>720206936
What the hell is this shit lmao

>>720206336
I still think he's manageable enough with your Act 1 tool kit. Ranged tools and spells make the ads go down quickly. There are even a few located near the far fields area close to the boss room so that you can practice fighting them. There are even a few points in the fight where he's a free target for silk spear and storm.
And again, he's optional. You don't have to beat him immediately. You can die in the boss room, grab your stuff, and come back later.

>>720206936
>wordswordswords
What is this, a left wing meme?

>>720206936
I'll spare you this (you) so that you don't spam this shit in 50 more threads, now fuck off.

>>720197408
>The runback is fucking disgusting.

>>720206936
Your comic is cringe.

>>720206780
Taking my time and enjoying it.

>>720206936
never let bro cook again

Any tips regarding the pale oil?

>>720195846 (OP)
>Slight increase in rosary rewards from relics and psalm cylinders
I should've hodl...

>>720207153
30 seconds and redditors are calling this a 10 minute runback

>>720207153
On the one hand, people are overexaggerating how bad the runback is but on the other, if its so easy and uneventful, why even have it? Those 30 second runs aren't really adding anything.

And there were anons who didn't believe people were struggling on sister splinter. Casuals get their way, it's sad to see.

>beat those nerfed bosses before patch
I'm based
Why are they even nerfing Splinter Moorwing? Moorwing fight was great.

>>720207118
Of course it is, its someone defending Silksong.

>>720207245
She took me like 1 attepmt and one death was at multiple thornwall 2nd phase attack because I somehow pushed myself back into another wall while I was breaking one of them.
I assume their logic is make easier so people stop bitching about lack of discovery options or something.
I wonder how playerbase would react to CBT that is a frozen zone climb.

Pssst.
Nobody cares about your game achivements.
Just reminding you.
Gamedevs wants to make money they don't care about you.
Funny how this patch dropped after a reasonable time after the two hour refund term rite?

>>720207153
No shit retard. Its 30 seconds of mechanically complex runback, with annoying enemies in between.
If you miss a single jump, the red flies will make sure to annoy you as much as possible.

>>720195846 (OP)
>Sister Splinter
The adds were more annoying than the actual boss
>Moorwing
I guess people didn't get that guy and his pet to help

>>720207243
Veiled parkour challenge.

>>720199191
>He's even harder than Last Judge to do legit without the platform or entrance cheese.
What fucking crack are you on?

>>720201061
>use lava charm to not receive double damage from fire
fuck i struggled at last judge a lot. didn't equipped this charm, and haven't leveled up weapon, i sit there for some hours. but that was okay boss.

>>720205934
What's long pin? The harpoon?

>>720207153
Holy fuck the sheer lack of self awareness on display here

>>720207245
I still don't believe it. When I beat last judge over 20% of people already had that achievement. People are making their way through the game just fine.
And if you can't get through sister splinter then you're either going to run up against an even steeper wall later on, or they're going to nerf everything.

>>720206936
Go to bed Quentin

I beat the two bosses they're nerfing.
>Sister Splinter
What the fuck? That boss is literally the epitome of "just stop fucking jumping around and LOOK at what's happening." It hits hard so you have to set the stage up so that there's no chance of the claws catching you, and then her murdercopters each die to a single silk spear.
>Moorwing
If you couldn't read this thing's attacks after a few times, you're fucking blind.

>>720207385
>complex
Your brain is mush. Skill fucking issue.

>>720204129
anon, those are painkillers. i used to parachute these kek.

>>720206916
>To be fair you can get buttfucked by fat fuck summon RNG pretty hard.
You can stop trying to squeeze in this cope because no one is falling for it

>>720206021
NAVIGATIONLETS BTFO'D

>>720206936
I really hope this is some avantgarde post-post-pseudo-ironic type situation

>>720207243
Because runback is a punishment for loosing the fight.

If there is no punishment for loosing, then you don't stress about loosing.

>>720207382
>Funny how this patch dropped after a reasonable time after the two hour refund term rite?
Anon what are you even implying here, the process of updating patch to steam probably alone takes more time than that. And it has fuckton of failstate fixes which is, I guess, was the main reason for update.

>>720201002
Have you tried the backdoor?

>>720207385
running and wall jumping is complex to you?

>>720207153
>kino
looks good to me
Also, this 30 second clip is "10 minutes" according to /v/edditors.

Literally WHY THE FUCK NERF MOORWING.

It was a bit frustrating but once you saw the patterns it got easy as fuck. I genuinely do not fucking get it. Are absolute retards playing this game?

>>720196927
I really don't understand this either. Legit one of the easiest bosses in the game. Use the nail r1 spell and literally clear all the vines

>>720207425
He can help with that? He fucked off elsewhere before I fought Moorwing. Randomly came across him in Sinner's Road afterwards.

>>720207385
>WAH, CHALLENGE
in my challenging game, no less!

why should the platforming be any less challenging than the fights? stop fucking up if it bothers you so much, slow down a bit.

>>720206936
this comic really struck a nerve

>>720207595
Anon if he got filtered by Last Judge there is no fucking way he makes it trough that wormy diarrhea zone.

>>720199191
Everything on that boss is telegraphed.
>Phase one is dive, blades, or claws, and you can see them all coming and dodge them. Claws you literally walk away from him to reduce the chance of being in a bad spot for the next attack.
>Phase two he starts sending out double blades, and either follows it up with another double blades, with claws, or with a dive that he ends with a third blade.

There isn't anything to even exploit. It's just a really vanilla Hollowknight boss.

>>720199191
>probably 80% of players used the exploit
The exploit is backtracking a few area and get an NPC to help with the fight. I died 9 times before realising the two fuckers were right beside the bellway and it took me 3 more tries before killing it

>>720195846 (OP)
It's barely even a nerf, all I see aside from 2 early game whatever bosses no one cares about is fixes and quality of life.

>>720207609
i haven't seen an ounce of what makes moorwing frustrating. he flies above you at an angle and then throws some projectile or swoops in. i constantly stayed directly underneath him (and slightly to his back) and he was attacking AWAY from me the whole time. honestly one of the dumbest boss AIs. i can't imagine why it needed a nerf the most.

>>720207385
>mechanically complex
>annoying enemies
Yeah if you can't figure out the route that has no enemy and is easy as fuck, that bodes well for you finishing the game lmao.
More nerfs soon at this rate.

Does anyone know how rosaries changed for the quests

>>720206936
Lmao this comic is 100% correct.

It's like if you grinded enemies in the first level of DMC or something to get every item instead of playing the game naturally.

>>720207478
It's a red tool. It's a ranged weapon that pierces through multiple enemies. You can find it near the start of shellwood.

Did they add a way to skip all dialogue yet? I don‘t give a shit about the story or characters

>>720207243
Precisely because people are so bad at parkour. It's a babby tier challenge but apparently people are struggling with it. Other runbacks are questionable though, for instance the Grimm wannabe guy

>>720202619
>grifters

That word does not mean "person who disagrees with me".

>>720207585
The punishment is not being able to progress and having to start the fight over.

>>720207824
just mash through lazy faggot there isn’t even that much of it

Imagine defending Silksong. The game is epitome of artificial difficulty. Literally unplayable for anyone with normal life. I don't have time to fight same boss for 2 hours. I have responsibilities and kids,

>>720207663
The only reason I know is because I saw it in the trailer lmao. I talked to him a couple of times before heading straight to moorwing and died a couple of times until I realized he was beside the bellbeast thing

>>720207772
He literally has a vastly different half a second wind-ups before every type of attack so you can tell them easily and avoid them.

>>720207819
Right yeah the harpoon. Was checking.

>>720207917
Exactly glad you agree now run back to the boss and don’t get hit like a scrub

>>720207582
nu-/v/ wouldnt get it, most if not all of the people here are too young to have even grown up with the KIDS of the original comic shitposters, let alone the post-golden age era /v/
Just look at how theyve responded with zoomerspeak. Theyre so detached from the golden era of 4chan, they dont even understand the art of it anymore.
thats some genuine oldfag material there.

>>720207590
>what are you even implying here
Release game at 0.9 (leaving some bugs unpolished) for the hardcore fanbase, the tryhard cattle that buy shit day one to brag for they cheevos. Then wait a safe period of 3-4 days so nobody can refund the hour time. After that you release the 1.0 game which appeals to casuals so you can cash in from the casuals that says "oh those devs caters to the normies". To avoid idiots protesting you put also some "fixes" so it appears to be a real patch.
I am not even implying it, i can bet solid money that's the winning selling strategy.

>>720207681
It's not a platforming challenge you drooling retard. It's a mildly annoying platforming challenge on the runbacck to a boss.
You don't get any points for pretending to be good at videogames on 4chang. You just look pathetic.

>>720207385
>complex
Either switch to reaper or gitgud with angles

>>720207257
>Balteus
>Shrine of Amana
>Radahn
>Radahn AGAIN
>Nightreign solo
For an anti-casual game dev studio, they sure do love nerfing shit a lot.

>>720207707
>what the fuck, IM THE GREEN GUY?!
>f-f-FUCK THIS COMIC!
yeah, theyre really mad about it kek

>>720206936
>>720207809
Or you could balance the game properly. You could make the enemies easy enough that the player doesn't feel the need to desperately grasp at every little bit of advantage he can get. People don't grind for no reason, they grind because the game is too fucking hard to play normally and they think they can make it easier by grinding.

>>720207718
I had already made it up to the mist before I started blasted steps. And I did get my ass thoroughly beaten by Last Judge, so going through Phantom would have been easier if I'd known how.
Getting through levels is not the same as beating bosses. Some people find one or the other easier.

>>720207707

Lies often do.

>>720206936
>yeah bro just get the things later haha
>it's not like they become inaccessible haha
>act 3? whats that? haha

>>720208153
spotted the green retard

>>720207937
why are you playing so shit?
this boss is so far into the game you should have the basic controls down by then

jesus fuck, theyre not sending their best.

>>720195846 (OP)
not my problem Im playing the GOG version as we speak.

>>720206936
This has to be an intentional parody of I AM SILLY right?

Hollow Knight series has the worst fanbase I have ever seen. It's the only one that actively campaigns for making the games worse for 99% of players just to stroke their own pathetic egos.

>>720208172
name one thing

sister splinter was easy, i still can't believe people struggle on that one. i died on the last judge like 30 times

>>720208253
cry more faggot

>>720206936
Grinding rosaries before reaching the citadel is retarded

>>720208042
>It's not a platforming challenge It's a mildly annoying platforming challenge
... and you are calling others a "drooling retard"
holy fucking kek.

this is after you just bitched about failing a single jump spelling doom.

>>720208284
Thanks for confirmation.

>>720208224
>this boss is so far into the game
It's just two movement upgrades in. It's really early. Though it is pretty easy still if you don't let it fill the entire room with shitter adds.

>>720207234
takes them 20 attempts on average to beat it, so yeah it is a 10 minute runback

>>720208153
>Lies
what lie?
no really, tell the class. Floors yours, nigger:

>>720207153
There are unironic retards that think you have to fight everything along the way, and die on the runback lmao

>>720208391
if getting up to the boss was a complete fluke i doubt they're ready to win the bossfight

>>720208360
and that’s a good thing

>>720208279
I died more to splinter than judge though I didn't even realize I could break the branches until a few fights in.

>>720207513
>>720207597
>>720207776
>>720208053
disingenuous replies.
Don't act like you didn't know what he meant.

>>720206936
why are people acting as if they DON'T regularly double die and lose all their money? it has happened to me so many times now I've stopped caring.

>>720208224
>>720208387
he's making fun of people who die to this by just running into it over and over instead of observing stuff (like how you can make it take longer to recover if you make it charge into a wall rather than having it stop early)

idk, the lava version of this fight was more annoying because the arena removes many of the control methods you use in the first fight, but by then you have so many tool/crest options you can just bumrush the thing

>>720205251
It has 500k top concurrent players it's not failing because your bitch ass can't kill savage beastfly kek

>>720208387
sure, but you agree that by that point you should have the combat mechanics and movement down, no?
like this is post hunters march, how long does that anon need to stop literally walking into bosses and fucking up bounces?

>>720195846 (OP)
Developing game for no life virgins was a mistake.

>>720208448
you might be a bit stupid if that's what you took from my reply.

>>720208391
More likely close to 50, so about 25 minutes.

>>720208467
that’s exactly what he meant tho

>>720208476
i noticed the areas had higher lethality than HK so i just made sure i had rosaries to break for maps/benches if i was going somewhere that seemed to be designed as an endurance run

>>720206936
If Team Chudry didn't want people to grind, they should have implemented two separate currencies - one for the bench/fast travel/map tax, one for TheCoolShit™.
You can't buy things like the Multibinder without grinding. This is a game design issue because Shitsong can't decide whether it wants to disincentivize grinding or incentivize it.
And don't even get me started on the boneshells.Tools are already kinda mid in this game, they didn't need to be currency-based.

>>720208253
nigga iam not even a hollow knight fan and I can tell you right now that NONE of these changes where needed, the game is still relatively easy its just that faggots want an easier time.

>>720208253
I don't even fundamentally disagree with balance changes. There's several bosses that should have health nerfs simply because of tedium, not difficulty. But sister splinter isn't one of them.
If they're going to nerf a boss that easy, what else will they nerf? Widow, the very next available boss, is harder. But she's also a cool and fun fight. I'd hate to see them nerf her too.

>>720208001
Once you're old enough, ugly shit you see on the internet is still ugly shit no matter what the intent behind it is or who does it actually mock or if it agrees with you or not and the amount of people who genuinely need their brains checked is outnumbering ironic posters 9 to 1 anyway. "Getting it" just isn't fun anymore.

>>720208521
LMFAO
go back

>>720208628
skill issue
cope and dilate

>>720208628
>You can't buy things like the Multibinder without grinding
You can. Try to use anal beads to save your rosaries.

>>720207153
I've had plenty of runbacks like this, but also runbacks where the cone flies decide to be a total cocksucker bitch and just stand in your way which kills your mojo before the fight.
As usual, one cherrypicked ideal run does not an average experience make.

>>720208640
stfu dumb toxotranny nigger

>>720208803
why are you so mad

>>720208494
>running into it over and over instead of observing stuff
>>720208503
>how long does that anon need to stop literally walking into bosses and fucking up bounces
I still do that... It feels like the longer I play, the worse I get. I might be disabled actually.

>>720208253
>>720208360
Shazam lost.

>>720208726
Retard, if you have a skill issue you're probably going to struggle LESS with beads because you clear through the areas quicker and in fewer attempts, ergo you collect less enemy drops.
Again, game design issue.

>>720208628
>they should have implemented two separate currencies
that sounds gay and retarded, and also defeats the theming of the game.

>>720208839
>t. seething toxotranny

>>720208872
That's the common solution to this problem which virtually every game with a currency system has implemented in the past two decades, so you might just be very, very gay.

>>720208864
nah it’s definitely (You) issue aka skill issue aka scrub issue aka you got filtered issue

>>720196505
>>720204685
>>720197942
>>720196980
>>720198919
Moorwing just has too little cool down between attacks, and if both the adds for the sister start spinning you're out of luck.

>>720208785
That run is pretty consistent. The cone flies never bother you unless you miss a jump and have to go back a bit.

>>720208848
>tranny sees its discord boogeyman everywhere

>>720205767
>>720205879
I don't get the niggers complaining so much about compass, yellow tools are pretty much universally situational, there's only a few that I'd say are great to have on all the time, you can easily slot in compass, especially if you've got vesticrests or are using wanderer, it IS a genuine improvement on the original because now situational mildly helpful charms get their own slots and don't take away slots from the more important combat oriented charms

>>720209081
>sees a tranny boogeyman behind every post

>>720208937
no one cares about that normalcattle slop stop crying and fuck off back to your movie slop

>>720209125
I'm using objective observable reality tho

>>720208628
>You can't buy things like the Multibinder without grinding.
you can, though?
if you die a lot, spend some rosaries making chains to bank them just like geo
if you arent dying much, ration your money. You dont need to empty every store, pick what you want/feel you need and move on. As you explore you naturally fill up on rosaries, often warranting a trip back once you find a new fast travel spot to go buy up shit you missed.
also, you dont need most items for sale so if grinding sucks so much... just dont do it? maybe consider skipping the item you were never going to use anyway, or get it on a new playthrough?

this is 100% a you control the buttons you press issue.
Tools need to be currency based because theyd be broken cheese otherwise, which is what skill-lacking faggots like you want of course, but nothing would stop you spamming them.
Even just poison + dart is OP as fuck if you want to cheese everyone.

>>720209187
i'm sure it's real in your tranny obsessed mind

>>720207937
Didn't realise not jumping in front of a charging enemy was artificial difficulty. What I did was dodge the boss, which seemed to work pretty well.

>>720209192
Simply put, you're full of shit.
The Multibinder costs 880 beads.
You are not getting maps, unlocking fast travel and paying the bench tax while being casually able to drop 880 beads on the Multibinder. End of story.

>>720208785
That's why I just always killed the two in your way. It doesn't take long since you can dunk them into the worms below. And with wanderer at least it is easy and consistent. But that does add up, which runs counter to the "it's only 30 seconds" thing.
It is a relatively long trip back. The alternative route to the citadel has a bench with way less shit between it and the boss. But getting there is a test in itself. Both routes are skill checks to make sure you're ready for act 2. And having to pogo your way past annoying enemies on every attempt at last judge is a part that.

>>720209292
Not that Anon, but I did. I also bought the spa recently. I do a lot of exploring, and I don't tend to die much, since getting to act 2, even if I spend all my rosaries, I'm usually back up to 1000 within 30-40 minutes of wandering around and enjoying the vibes

>>720196980
He has 3 moves...

>>720209192
>Tools need to be currency based because theyd be broken cheese otherwise
Currency based =/= being able to use a finite amount before restocking on a bench, you dumb bitch.
Tools don't have to be currency based for them to have a finite amount of uses, you dumb bitch.
Tools already matter fuck all in boss fights because of how poor their damage is for most of the game, so even less of a reason to make them currency-based... dumb bitch.

>>720208841
nah its normal, im getting old and I keep fucking up, in my head im perfect but my hands wont stop making mistakes
just take a quick break, step away for 10 mins and come back focused and its usually fine for me, for now.

still that one anon is playing awfully and blaming that boss so, what can you do for him

>>720209014
use your tools?
play slower and stop getting greedy?
get better at managing groups of enemies?

you know people beat ornstein and smough 14 years ago and said the same thing

silksisters we're getting btfod badly in tis theead

it's over

>>720195846 (OP)
These issues, especially the early bosses, seem like something a closed playtest could prevent

>>720195846 (OP)
If it come out tomorrow then I got to the second lace fight with most of the sidequests. You're all filtered journalists if you havent made it past last judge since release day and if the hunters march poggo filtered you then you're a woman who should go back to animal crossing or cutting my sandwich into triangles with the crusts sliced off.

>>720209775
And yes I'm trans too but you don't hear me talking about it.

>>720209292
>cope
I literally bought it, anon, no grinding at all ever.
I only died like, I dunno, a few dozen times. cant have raised that much money from loops (especially as I skip most mobs if I die to a boss)

880 beads, enemies in the area drop like 8-10% of that themselves, each.
and again,
YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT RIGHT AWAY, come back later when you have the money, you stupid fucking nigger.

>>720209474
cope, you are wrong on all fronts.
try again.

>>720209562
never happened

>>720209827
Nope, I just spent more time getting good and less time whining about it online. Hope your transition fails.

>>720209775
>cutting my sandwich into triangles with the crusts sliced off
who the fuck does that
no way this is real

>>720209897
It might be that I'm not a shitter like you are - areas are one and done for me so I barely collect beads, and bosses don't give any almost always.
So I fear that this conundrum is rather easily explained by you sucking cocka, and being a natural grinder - because you keep on dying to some gayass robed shitmobs, you spend 94.82% longer in each area on average, by my calculations.

>>720210087
>instant ad hominem because you lost
kek, sure bud keep strawmanning. You are still wrong though.
The knight guy up there drops like 50 beads, one pass through the area gets you over 700 beads alone.

>>720195846 (OP)
As a dad gamer, that's a relief :)

>>720210087
while this is true it really doesn't give you the right to talk down on me... some of us have handicaps, personally I get really bad motion sickness from the pogo jumps so i spent 20 hours in the huntresses march, but that doesn't mean Im grinding.

>>720210194
>replying to yourself
thats, thats fucking embarrasing.

>game i like has obvious issues, devs should listen to players
>devs listen to players and fix the issues
>FUCK YEAH NOW THE GAME IS GOOD, PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT

>game i dont like has fans complaining about issues i ignore, fans should just shut up and git gud
>devs listen to players and fix the issues
>FUCKING DEVS WITH NO SPINE, BENDING TO FANS DEMANDS

i wonder if this will ever end

>>720210194
>replying to myself
thats, thats incredible.

>>720195846 (OP)
huh, i never realized you're supposed to fight moorwing that early since i went through wormways instead and he only appeared way later into the game, so i thought its just an optional boss.
To be fair, he was quite punishing and i think fighting him early on would've been much more frustrating

>>720210087
>this butthurt because he can't afford the multibinder
kek

I've just been watching this shitfling, and if grinding is such a big deal to you that you were complaining about the cost of multibinder and how it required grinding. Now pretending you're speeding through the game; so why are you complaining about something you'll never need use?

>>720210452
I don't want the Multibinder, I'm just rightfully criticizing Team Shartry's lack of vision in their game design.

>>720210452
because, hes a malding retard and is lying.
Either hes lying about grinding being needed, or hes lying about being le pro gamer.

>>720210692
I'm 100% cereal.

>>720210543
You don't really need to grind. The expensive stuff can wait until you're later in the game. People who are addicted to unlocks and battle passes think they HAVE to grind and unlock everything ASAP in order to play the game properly. They don't know that you can unironically play the game without ever having to buy half the shit from stores.

>>720208628
Yeah i agree, the shards feel completely superfluous with how the tools already have a limited amount of uses per bench. I get how they wanted to make them independent of silk since people clutch onto it for heals but this feels like a not very elegant solution

>>720209474
nigger, tools are already limited in use, the starter dart has 12 uses, the bone mine thing as 6
the shards limit you from spamming them between benches and on bosses you keep losing to.
the shards limit you per-rest uses, not post-rest uses, you dumb mouthbreather.

>>720210968
>Went through the entire sand area just to get a tool thats worse than the ones i had already

>>720211157
theres probably some tech or use for it that hasnt been explored yet
maybe
possibly.

>>720211208
>tech
I'm not trans, or a zoomer who has to speedrun everything. Cogbug is fine with me

>>720199057
>>720199367
am i missing something? i've been saying day 1 that they're probably gonna patch stuff because 2 of the 4 dlcs for hollow knight were specifically meant for balacing.

>>720211383
>one word triggers all of that strawmanning
okay schizo