Thread 720352860

My hatred for normies is unfathomable at this point
Nobody FORCED you to play a hard game, you bought it yourself, and now you're complaining
Then the game gets ruined for the rest of us, who actually like a challenge
God, I hate you

I doubt you've even played the game or care about it at all.
You're just one of those weirdos who visits blogs to find something to screenshot and then post those here for attention that you don't get in real life.
Well here's your reply. I hope it helps with your situation. Good luck and god speed with your recovery from this madness of yours. I hope you'll go outside some day to enjoy life. Maybe meet with people.

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Nobody forced the devs to nerf it either, they chose the majority over your particular need for difficulty. Are you retarded?

>>720352860 (OP)
>My hatred for normies is unfathomable at this point
indeed, behold, the greatest badge of honor for them.

>>720354875
>uhm, actually sweety the devs compromised their artistic vision to cater to the autistic mass so dont complain about being mad that it changed, okay?
are YOU retarded?

>another discord tranny thread
you're not even getting paid hahahaha

>>720353962
>I doubt you've even played the game or care about it at all.
>You're just one of those weirdos who visits blogs to find something to screenshot and then post those here for attention that you don't get in real life.
>Well here's your reply. I hope it helps with your situation. Good luck and god speed with your recovery from this madness of yours. I hope you'll go outside some day to enjoy life. Maybe meet with people.
>im off to make more silksong is too hard threads now

I see
>Indie Metroidvania
I skip

>>720354932
You'd have a point if there were any yellows worth shit. I struggle to fill 3 slots in a way that doesn't feel like a waste.

>>720355006
No, you clearly are. They want the money/popularity more than they want their artistic integrity, so why the fuck would that be anyone's fault but theirs?
Cattle are allowed to ask for more food even when they are already fed, doesn't mean you need to give it to them. If you do, there is nobody to blame except you for them turning fat and retarded.

>game gets ruined
just don't update, faggot

>>720355075
the game needs more good yellow options for sure, but assuming you only have the 1 or 2 slots, id rather go with the rosary magnet and shard drop boost over a compass in the early game when the pickings are slim, theyre just more useful

later trinkets are just significantly better, but either way using the compass is a sign of the lack of awareness of the map and navigation, so Its fair to laugh at.

>>720352860 (OP)
>"the patch will have some small nerf to two easy bosses and it will slightly boost the amount of beads you get from certain sources"
>patch isn't even out yet
>OMG YOU GUYS THIS PATCH MAKES THE GAME WAY EASIER
I hate journalists with a passion

>>720352860 (OP)
Anyone who wanted a challenge defeated said challenge before this patch dropped OP.

>>720354932
I've got no trouble navigating a map, or remembering or deducing where I am on it. But the compass is still the best way of knowing exactly where on the map you currently are in detail. Which is good if you for whatever the reason have an interest in knowing where exactly things are on the map without the slightest bit of error.

>>720352860 (OP)
this is 100% on the devs, it's them who choose to listen to the majority and nerf the game because they are reddit faggots that fold under a tiny bit of pressure after years of non stop dick sucking

>>720355450
true, but when does that ever come up?
if im marking a door or something I cant get yet, a pin in the general area, even if its off, is enough to get me back later.

The only defence I see for this is the early game not having other options worth using either, but the way some people on /v/ screech about needing this and the number of downloads the compass mod got, im thinking its a shitter badge.

>>720354932
>one less slot to use for items that make combat easier for you

that means using the compass actually makes you better at the game

>>720352860 (OP)
HELP ME GAMEDEVS IAM A MINORITY PLEASE CATER TO ME

nah fuck off
if the majority thinks the game is too difficult it just is and needs to be patched

I didn't buy it, and I'm not gonna play it. No amount of manufactured outrage or people incessantly talking about it will convince me otherwise. The genre is completely explored, there is nothing this game can be doing that is worth even five seconds of attention. Eat shit and die. Marketers get the rope.

>make 905% the first game have the difficulty of assassins creed
>make all of the second game like ninja gaiden
the devs are retarded trannies
Hr8t (lmao)

>>720355871
next time please make the post before having a lobotomy

>>720355838
The first game was better anyway

>>720355982
>oh no he put a 0 in by accident
If you weren't retarded you'd know what I meant without much effort. You are an autistic tranny

>>720352860 (OP)
Cool, I was waiting for a balancing patch before pulling the trigger. I like souls and metroidvania games but being a geriatric 35 year old I'm not as sharp as I used to be and am not going to waste my free time getting frustrated by walls of difficulty spikes. It's just not worth it to me anymore. HK was already pushing it for me at times. It's okay to not be a masochist. It's also okay if you are and want balls to the wall challenge, that's fine. I don't see the point in the only available difficulty level being super hard, since that will just shut out most casual players from enjoying a beautiful game. If it's optional you can still enjoy the challenge and boast about it if that's your thing, right?
I understand the desire to feel like you're in an exclusive elite club of those who managed to overcome a certain hard challenge but getting mad about giving people the option to tone it down so they can actually have fun (the primary objective of vidya) is just petty and childish.

>>720355871
Agreed, it's obvious this is a feminist game where women (especially mothers) have all the power, fathers are absent, and the only male with power is a faggot. Tranny devs.

>>720354932
the only yellow badges (besides compass) I found useful is the rosary magnet and the one that lets you cling on walls.
I guess the fast running one might be situationally useful

Do you think it's possible that a developer might create an unbalanced boss that's just terrible to fight against?
That's why balance patches are a good thing.

Also, some FromSoft fags are so far gone that even if Miyazaki himself said a boss was a botched hack job and totally unbalanced, they'd still argue it was actually good
if you play with a very specific playstyle.

>>720356013
it fucking sucked too fuck you.

Notice how all the guys complaining about the game do not talk about things in the game. It's almost like they either never played the game or got filtered hard by it.

>>720356031
the game isnt any harder than other metroidvanias
you just suck at vidya

>>720355598
>yellow slot
>combat

>>720356193
I am not complaining about it and I definitely did not and never will play it. There is no reason to because the first game sucked, the genre is stupid, platformers are tapped, and there's no such thing as missing out. Additionally, any amount of pattern recognition will make one realize that as a species we are fundamentally incapable of producing anything of value anymore anyways and that this has been the case for almost two decades now. I'm good on wasting my time, thanks anyways Matt. By the way, Wanderlust is a shit series and you suck at game development. But you sure are a indie marketing wunderkind! Good for you ya piece of shit.

>>720356235
It's way harder than the vast majority of HK. Which is what matters

>>720356479
the game assumes you finished HK before playing SS, which I guess makes sense and is based (it filters the FOMO zoomers who bought the game despite never playing or finishing HK)

>>720356147
artists can have shit taste in their own art, gamedevs aren't exempt from this. see nidhogg 2.

>>720356479
for me both games are the same i dunno but iam also no casual shittard so it makes no difference to me either way

yiffai was way harder than both of them

Hollow Trite: Slog Song.

>>720356549
It's always a push and pull
and sometimes artists have to pull
not to mention mistakes are made

>>720352860 (OP)
>normies
You are a normalfag, OP.

>>720352860 (OP)
this just prooves that vidya as a whole would be alot better if normies never got into them

it also prooves the theory that a vast majority of people are non sentient beings that cannot act or think for themselfes, no internal dialogue either
they just see e-celeb talking about thing and want to be part of it
actual cattle
it should be legal to own them as slaves

My problem isn't that it's hard, but that it's fucking tedious. The game tests your patience at every fucking turn, every single fucking encounter, and eventually I just ran out.

>>720352860 (OP)
>change early bosses
>whole game ruined
How? The normies still aren't finishing it.

>>720356672
nah you just suck balls
its as simple as that and you should stop trying to pretend otherwise
either get gud or uninstall

>>720356638
protip: being a no thought retard is a multi stage event. you're in stage 2, where you wind up being just like all the other retards who reject anything that strikes them as collectivism. call me when you finally break through to stage 4- "everyone is a fucking retard, nothing has ever been in the history of ever, burn everything."

>>720356672
you are the hundredth person to say "it's not hard it's tedious" and it's an obvious cope.

>>720356794
it's the oldest cope in the world, you could say it about literally any video game that's too hard for you and it can't really be "debunked" since it's based on subjective feelings

>>720357059
difficulty is not subjective
if you put enough time into it you will get better at it
youre not trying to get a world record speedrunning the game
you are just trying to beat it which anyone can do if they got the time
wanting to "git gud" has never been a question of skill

>>720356479
Nothing I've fought has been any harder than Mantis Lords, Soul Master, Dung Defender, Lost Kin, Watcher Knights, and that's just normal ending bosses

>>720357284
I meant that tedium is subjective, and it's also tied to skill because I might defeat a boss in two tries and have fun while the guy needing to do its runback a dozen times might start to hate it.

>>720357432
as someone who's 100%ed - i felt like mostly everything was harder, and yet it was easier to win in a low amount of attempts and learn attack patterns because you have a midair heal. very fast paced and demanding of the player but you should fall into the rhythm quickly. people who claim it's tedious because they "bash their head against the wall" betray the fact they have a learning disability.

would you?

>>720357592
yeah HK might be overall easier but healing was more perilous, SS is more hectic but it often gives you the opportunity to heal back a lot of damage

>>720356057
I am 35 and Silksong is easier to me now than HK was when they released the final expansion content for it. You're just a bitch.

>>720352860 (OP)
Normies saw a popular thing and wanted be part of it despite not liking the thing.
So they demand the popular thing to be changed so they can enjoy it
Same thing has happened with fromsoft games as well
Tale as old as time

>>720357932
only difference is fromsoft never caved into normie demands and ironicly the souls formula only got even more popular over the years

turns out normies/consumers dont know what they want most of the time

if team cherry caved in more and gave us easy mode + disability features there would be less discussion about the game in total

>>720352860 (OP)
I completely avoided social media until I finished the game and it's funny to see how much people are seething. The game was difficult but nothing even close to justify being so asshurt.

>>720358054
silksong was 10000x more popular on release than the first game so a shitton of normies who never even heard of HK jumped onto the bandwagon which resulted in alot more difficulty complains

I didn't buy the game, I pirated it so patches are no concern for me. And the game isn't even hard.

>>720358027
we don't even know how much TC caved in yet, so far they've only said "Slight difficulty reduction in early game bosses Moorwing and Sister Splinter." which sounds like it'll barely affect anybody's experience with the game

>>720352860 (OP)
It doesn’t really make the game easier.

>>720352860 (OP)
>>720352860 (OP)
What I'm seeing is a lot of people who never finished HK to begin with (remember all the complains from people getting filtered by Hornet 1?), or people who only watched their favorite streamer play Hollow Knight, bought into the blind hype and just jumped straight into Silksong expecting a comfy, wholesome low impact adventure because of the artstyle and cute characters.
The reality is also that people suck at video-games more than ever nowadays and it's only gonna get worse in the next years: millenials are dead-beat zombies hooked on antidepressants who don't have the time anymore to keep their skills sharp, zoomers grew in the age of the widespread casualization of game mechanics and were not allowed to develop critical thinking and challenge themselves, and alphas who were raised by phone/tablet shit designed to play itself are already hitting the market.

I don't mind if Team Cherry thinks some early stuff deserves some rebalancing (in fact I agree with the slight economy/reward changes) to make the difficulty curve a bit smoother on people who suck at vidya. The problem is that the people who are getting walled by act 1 stuff, will cry even harder about the difficulty and the need for nerfs once they reach act 2. It's just never enough.

There also needs to be a new conversation about the current state of "toxicity among casuals". Everytime someone suggests the compromise of introducing an easy mode later on, they go ballistic. They want the game to be easier but they don't want to have to select "easy" on the screen because it would their ego. So everyone gets fucked instead.
This is why nerds used to gatekeep much harder in the past.

>>720352860 (OP)
Can you be "Overcharmed" like in the original? That caused you take double damage and makes the game way harder.

>>720352860 (OP)
>Nobody FORCED you to play a hard game
It isn't even hard. When I heard people were seething about the moth boss I was confused. She was easy. Maybe it was trivialized because I got help from the knight dude but he did barely shit, it was more a lore companion like in a souls game boss fight. That boss itself was easy with obvious techniques you just needed to learn to dodge. The only seemingly difficult part was that one of the thrown wheels curves and returns at half distance but its incredibly easy to dodge.

>>720358852
lol I killed Hornet 1 in my first go. The fuck?

>>720356141
>and the one that lets you cling on walls.
The one that stops you from taking damage if you get caught healing is nice. And the skull that functions as an extra life/skull.

>>720359103
the game's not that hard but you have to consider how bad and braindead the average modern gamer is, and this game sold quintillions so 90% of the people playing it are retarded normalfags that aren't even familiar with 2D platforming

Oh no, now the game will have less trial and error. The horror. What will we do now that the single player game where you have endless tries for a challenge will make you go trough less tries?

Maybe just pick up a real hobby instead of playing video games if you want a challenge.

>>720358852
i have an autistic friend that i pressured into doing path of pain and it took him 15 hours of gameplay, kind of astounding how some people don't get better with practice. i say this scientifically as i made a shitter do something they never would have otherwise

>>720359262
videogames are a hobby

>>720356338
bro, your barbed bracelet?

>>720359262
i have real hobbies AND i play video games, what now?

>>720352860 (OP)
>for normies
bitch we are metroidvania fans, we are as far from normies as possible, we just want good fucking game design instead of a game being asshole at every possible opportunity. "how do we fix useless currency? let's make everything cost money" devs are clearly retarded for that alone

>>720359298
A braindead one. Pick up mathematics, programming or a sport like climbing on ice mountains if you want a challenge. Imagine already doing the easiest shit, sitting on your ass and pressing some buttons on a retard input device and then complaining about challenge.

>>720359262
>plays trial and error game
>"this has too much trial and error"
the game even has a story mode for those that only care about the plot and shit, it's called youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5sfS14gyw

>>720359262
By that logic, why not just push a button so a popup appears that says "You win!" and go to end credits?

>>720352860 (OP)
>Play a normie game, loved by normies
>Get surprised the normie game for normies gets made easier for the normies when they complain about it being hard

>>720359443
This is for the developer to decide, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Just don't play the game if you don't like it.
>>720359429
It's the developers that have decided this. They decide what they want their game to be and they have spoken.

>>720359404
dont feel like it but thanks for the advice

>>720359287
Forget about Path of Pain, there's a lot of people who were incapable of finishing the White Palace's main route.
That's how bad some people are at video games, and in my experience, it often has more to do with stubbornness than actual lack of skill. Most people are not playing to their full potential, they just refuse to grow and learn because that would mean to first admit they're the ones failing and not the game.

>>720359138
Wish I could find some of the screencaps from reddit and steam that used to be posted and laughed at in the old HK threads.
It really puts some perspective on the type of people complaining about difficulty in this type of games.

>>720359404
>mathemathics is a hobby
what?
>>720359494
>It's the developers that have decided this
they just tweaked two (2) bosses slightly you buffoon, you think the crying unskilled retards are not gonna have trouble with the game after the patch?

>>720352860 (OP)
oh no!
>looks at gog version i downloaded a few days ago in prep for this exact thing happening
anyways.

>>720359613
>mathematics can't be a hobby
Holy fucking brainlet.
>you think the crying unskilled retards
You are crying about the nerfs. I'm telling you to shut the fuck up already. Just don't play the game if you don't like it. If you seek challenge don't seek it in the most braindead hobby known to man.

>>720356794
It's true though. I get bored of perfect play for 5 mintues on every boss and just turn off. I'm not a tranny on adhd meds

>>720359404
video games are a test of your mind and the hands-controller link are just the way to transmit those electrical signals
by being good at silksong i'm actually as acrobatic and responsive as hornet is, she's literally me

>>720359701
most boss fights take less than 2 minutes THO

>>720359751
not the ones I've fought so far. It feels like this game was made by hk discord trannies who only enjoy speed running and no hit runs. HK was easy as fuck

>>720352860 (OP)
>muh normies
>after /v/ has been crying about random shitter bosses and pogo sections for a week straight
KEK
you fuckers are complete shitters, don't pretend that it's somehow other people's fault

There was another round of nerfs?

>>720359689
>You are crying about the nerfs
I never did you dumb sperg.
Btw I have an engineering degree, I competed in several sports throughout my life (mostly skiing, raced for a decade), I play and instrument, and I have actually climbed mountains (admittedly not icy ones), and if someone goes on the internet to cry about a video game being too hard I consider him a little whiny baby bitch precisely because it's a braindead hobby.
>>720359921
the first one isn't even out yet and idiots are already losing their shit for some reason

>>720359983
>I never did you dumb sperg
You are directly arguing me you piece of shit and my only point is that people need to shut the fuck up about crying about video game difficulty in in any way since video games are braindead shit.

>>720352860 (OP)
normies play COD.

>>720359832
you're literally part of /v/ retard

tl;dr
the store page says nothing about difficulty except the user defined tags that came after it was released
so players couldnt know how difficult it would be
(also why would you buy games first day anyway)

>>720352860 (OP)
I uninstalled because the insects raping Hornet was unbearable, I'm talking about the ones who grapple and take down.
Devs have played too much H-games.

>>720360112
Well I don't make Silksong threads, so I am a god among you.

>>720359983
the air of the mountains must have killed the 2 neurons you had because you're arguing with the wrong guy unc

>>720359832
do people still cry about pogo sections despite the fact that the reaper crest nulifies any "challenge" they pose?

>>720355534
>true, but when does that ever come up?
I get that it only barely matters. But I still convince myself it makes myself ever so slightly faster at the game. If I can look at the map and know beforehand where something is on it down to the cm. So I always use the compass at least for my initial playthrough.

>>720360026
I argued with you because you were crying and pissing your pants over a video game (that you could stop playing at any time in favor of anything else) being slightly too hard for you.
IDGAF if the devs will decide to nerf everything to the ground, my point is that getting into a game that you know to be hard and then bitching because it's exactly as advertised is beyond pathetic.

>>720352860 (OP)
>the game gets ruined
how does it get ruined though, you mentally ill incel? anyway, glad to hear you're seething, let me know what other games you like so I can ruin those for you too. you fucking mentally ill, subhuman incel.

>keep seeing people complaining about the nerfs
>look at the patch notes
>2 early bosses got slightly nerfed
wow, once again a big pile of nothing

>>720360369
thats just the first batch
you can bet your ass that double damage will be taken out too

>>720360295
>you were crying and pissing your pants over a video game (that you could stop playing at any time in favor of anything else) being slightly too hard for you
So you argued against some completely made up point your schizo ridden mind came up with.

>>720360369
and we don't even know the details yet
>>720360396
>double damage will be taken out too
I doubt that

>>720360369
>>720360432
The game is already easier than hollow knight. I fear for the game if the updates continues in this direction.

>Beating the game unlocks Ironman Mode

WHY on earth would I want more challenge?! If anything, after dragging myself through this ordeal, I want the game to unlock fucking cheats.

>>720360431
no, I was calling (you) specifically a piss baby bitch, problem?

>>720360481
>WHY on earth would I want more challenge?!
Because it's fun.
I never cared for the steel soul challenge in Hollow Knight, but for Silksong I jumped on that opportunity the moment I reached 100%.

>>720360396
>>720360476
>muh bogeyman
what a bunch of crybabies ffs

>>720360564
No, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Just with your schizo fantasies about made up events that you probably came up with once you saw that you had no actual points.

>>720355006
They updated the game to be more in line with their artistic vision.

>>720360476
>The game is already easier than hollow knight.
If you mean easier as in more fun to play than yeah. HK was harder because it was hard to stay awake playing it

>>720352860 (OP)
Glad i pirated the game

>>720352860 (OP)
Why is it so impossible for these modern devs to implement different difficulty levels? Just make a fucking hard mode and an easy mode. Hurr.

>>720360779
i want a rape mode where hornet can get stunned or you can press a button to go into stun on purpose

>>720360839
This. Night of Revenge overhaul mod when?

>>720357284
>difficulty is not subjective
Congratulations on being the most retarded poster to ever grace /v/. I'm genuinely curious about what upbringing you had to bring you to such a mentally stunted state. Never post again, retards like you are killing this fucking site.

>>720352860 (OP)
They should have just added an easy mode instead of fucking with base game difficulty.

>>720354932
I like seeing hornets icon on the map in areas i haven't found the map for yet to gauge how deep in I am

>>720354932
>>720355075
>>720355252
>>720356141
>>720359158
>is lowkey the most broken badge in the game
I cannot count how many times I've heard that pop that saved my ass

>>720360779
Blame israel bot for making this tard successful

>>720357664
How about a mod that gives everything 1 life
including you
with perma death

Forget about difficult, game's outright cruel, in order to enjoy Silksong you need to enjoy cruelty.

>>720360779
it already exist. It's called tools.

>>720356057
Dude I'm 37 and I barreled through everything in the prepatched game in a few tries.

>>720359548
white palace main route issues are lack of healing and knight in general being rather clunkily coded in terms of controls. But nowhere near the level of Hornet. White palace and path of pain would be easy in celeste, dead cells, or even megaman.

I mean, HK1 does one damage, HK2 does two, it's only logical.

>>720361152
These things are great, makes me appreciate Wanderer having an extra yellow slot.

>>720360985
>no arguments

i accept your concession
if a game is too difficult for you that just means you didnt put time into it
normies complain about difficulty in games because they barely spend time on them

>>720356338
>didn't play the game, or worse, too retarded to understand it if he did.

I tihnk what's important to see is that hype feels like the promise of a good time no matter what, Silksong generated tons of hype and lots of people didn't/couldn't get the memo that the hype was for the difficulty almost first and foremost.

>>720352860 (OP)
>Make a bad game design
>Nooo this is actually a good thing, please don't complain, I love artificial difficulty
Just close the game whenever you get hit once

>>720352860 (OP)
Leave a negative review complaining about the patch and demand a refund. If you can't make a dent in their score/sales then your complaints are effectively worthless to them.

>>720352860 (OP)
>Nobody FORCED you to play a hard game,
You don't understand. They DID have to, or they wouldn't have been able to participate in "the next big thing". Video games are just a means to social activity to them, they have little interest in the game itself much less its integrity.

>>720361891
But I'm not Chinese

>>720354875
/threaded

Only troons defend contact damage

>>720361152
>trying to farm soul for a heal
>missing 3 masks
>get hit
>I can't stand missing 1 mask
>I know I will have to refarm all the soul just to heal the 1 mask
>lol nope the dices spare me
It's kind of crazy to be honest how shit everything else is.
Even the poison for the tools is mediocre and it is one of the most useful trinkets.
Hollow Knight already has some bad charms that were pointless and I feel silksong was like "You know what, let's make even more pointless trinkets!"
Even the moss trinket is trash by comparison, since it restores half a thread on a hit... in a game where 50% of enemies deal 2 points worth of damage.
Cool I restored 1/18 of what I need to heal.

>>720362004
i defend nigtard damage where my asshole gets spread so widely that the shit just falls outta it across your face and theres nothing you can do about it

>>720360779
You have to rebalance and test the game for each difficulty level. It was easy back in the day when games were like 4 hours to beat.

I didn't buy it :3

>>720362004
Contact damage is fine in some cases but I do feel that in some situations it should be removed or at least reduced.
Most certainly 2 masks worth of damage just by touching an enemy who's doing nothing is an idiotic design choice.

>>720362035
What a weird comparison, is there something you want to tell us?

>>720352860 (OP)
Easily mitigated with a difficulty tweaker mod, thoughever.

>>720356672
I put my hornet in(to the enemy attack range)
I take my hornet out( of the attack as it lunges at me)
(I wait out the animation)
I put my hornet in(to range as its in recoil frames)
And I shake (my weapon) it all about
I do the hokey pokey and i (jump to the next enemy on the next platform) turn it all around
Thats what its all about!

>>720362004
Most enemies attack by simply moving, removing contact damage would be retarded.
There should absolutely not be any contact damage on a stunned boss though, that's just obnoxious.

>>720352860 (OP)
>Failed normie bitching about normies
Rich

>>720352860 (OP)
>normies

>>720361197
>Pharloom Must Die mode
Wouldn't go for the permanent death myself but I'd play it

vros...I did it and installed the mod to respawn anywhere. Now I'll never have beat the game...

>>720352860 (OP)
Is the game even that hard?
I don't consider myself particularly good at video games, I straight up don't play games that require fast reflexes like shooters or fighting games and I struggle with games that need to use lots of different abilities like MOBA or MMORPG.
For the last 10 years I've basically only played strategy games, puzzle games and turn based shit and while Silksong was challenging so far I never felt it was unfair. I haven't oneshot any bosses, but it was always doable after enough tries. And when I hit a wall I would just go somewhere else on the map and then come back later and be able to beat it.
Whenever I died on a boss I could clearly recognize the mistakes I made, attacking at unsafe times, backing myself into a corner or similar.
The only part that pissed me off was the half height charge of the boss in the Beast Chapel since you can't go under or over it. Until I realized it was because I was jumping too early.
I also gave up on the lava hole escape but I'll come back once I have the trinket that lets me stick to walls.
People either have no patience or cannot deal with being confronted with their own mistakes, since they are used to blaming teammates or RNG in other games.

>>720362009
Part of why reason why nobody liked HK/SS's combat. Almost all the upgrades are boring or just really bad.

>>720362275
being crushed to death by moorwing was surely not insanely frustrating

>>720352860 (OP)
They didn't do anything though? From the patch notes they decreased costs for bellway and benches later but I don't see anything about damage being reduced though.

>>720362009
>hasn't upgraded the moss trinket yet
don't worry it's not worth at a full one either

>>720363058
Getting two free silk bars every two hits you take isn't bad at all.

>>720360396
Every time someone complains about double damage now you can just tell them to install the mod that removes it.
Guaranteed to make them mad as fuck too, lol.

>>720356638
anon, spinning an apple in your mind and knowing about not having breakfast doesn't make you smart

only 3 things i would change

>more enemies should give you rosaries, its not good game design when you have to grind them later on to buy out shops
>button to use tools should not be the same one that uses my special attack
>flying bosses usually too far away to properly attack them make it so they fly abit closer to you but not too close

other than that its perfect

>>720362825
>Is the game even that hard?
I mean the game isn't a complete cakewalk and you need to pay attention and might even need some attempts for a lot of it. But the game is genuinely easier than hollow knight.
Kind of beats me why so many people claim otherwise.

I am really starting to lean towards the conclusion that the game is easier, even for general audiences. But that it is for several reason, scarer and more intimidating for most. And that a lot of people confuse being intimidated for feeling like the game is more difficult.

>>720363235
its not about being smart/dumb
its about being a sentient human being
ive met dogs and cats that had more of a personality than some of my coworkers

>>720352860 (OP)
Journos told them it's the new hot shit to play right fuarking now like their favourite streamers. They never had a chance to not buy the game that "broke Steam".

>Fractured Mask
I can't find the "vendor" in Hunters zone... that area is practically empty... am I cooked chat/grok?

>>720362004
contact damage is fine but the bosses being big and spastic makes you take a lot of bullshit damage, especially when the sprite can clip you during a pogo when it squashes or stretches for the tell. moorwing hit me a lot while pogoing his head

Game designed around using silk meter for damage instead of hoarding it for heal. Because you can get it back very fast and the heal itself is X10 times stronger than healing in HK. At any point of time you can regain silk and heal. This isn't the case of first game where you have only few opening to heal or non in the endgame. 2 masks attacks are perfectly balanced with such system. Hornet is much more mobile than shade. The average normalfag gameplay looks like this.

>>720363383
secret room in the room above the bench room, where the updraft stops

>>720363383
The room above trapped bench. Jump and rub your face on the wall.

I feel like Silksong is already too easy for me. Didn't encounter anything challenging before Moorwing, and even that wasn't too hard.

Hornet healing 3 masks at once is just so OP.

>>720363423
ayo not cool to just be uploading my gameplay like this

>>720363451
>>720363463
thank you, I somehow mistook that area with the one where you fight big and and flying ant

>>720362825
Having beat all the games in the Castlevania Classics collection earlier this year (and I suck at games too it took me for fucking ever), I can say that the game is harder than most modern Metroidvanias, but anyone that has been tempered by NES games that aren't friggin Mario will be fine. Like Axiom Verge on Hard, the original base game for Hollow Knight, Afterimage on Hard, Timespinner, basically everything that's come out recently is easier than this (I haven't played Blasphemous, apparently that's kinda difficult?) All the 2D Metroids (I haven't played Fusion or Dread) are easier than this. So it's hard for its genre but "average" for gaming as a whole.

>>720352860 (OP)
normies havent ruined nortubel yet

>>720352860 (OP)
I don't play the game, but it depends. If there was artificial difficulty, and they are fixing that, is fine.
I heard that it has save points far from each other.

>>720363503
most normgroids never played any of these games
they think hollow knight is like mario where you just gotta jump abit
or ori and the blind forest

>>720352860 (OP)
How is it possible that they had this game in development for almost 8 fucking years but NEVER noticed in all that time that maps and benches were too expensive and having to constantly farm to afford them is annoying? Are they stupid? They put farming spots next to each map vender location because they know you'll have to do it, but it never once occurred to them this is a bad idea? How come I'm expected to perform at my job when these fags are allowed to tunnel vision on autism until they break all their own shit?

>>720363554
I never had problems with buying maps. You know you can safe rosaries right?

>>720363296
>>button to use tools should not be the same one that uses my special attack
I would agree but I'm not sure where you would put the input. The controller's already kind of full.

>>720363423
>This isn't the case of first game where you have only few opening to heal or non in the endgame.
This is blatantly untrue, especially with the charm that makes healing faster.

>>720363503
Silksong is literally 20x longer than your average NES game, hence why there's so many complaints about burnout and why fanboys keep having to tell people to periodically temporarily drop the game so they don't get sick of it. What's fun as a <8 hour sprint of a game is less fun when it's now a 40 hour marathon where you're expected to be sprinting the entire time.

>>720363656
>fanboys
shitter cope

>>720356108
>it's obvious this is a feminist game
Based go woke, get gold!

>>720363656
i mean i beat the game, but that's because of the hype. A game of this length usually takes me like a month or so while I'm bouncing between other games. If you're burnt out playing a 25+ hour game in a week, well fucking duh

>>720363608
the only one time i found the npc and didn't have enough beads to buy the map I was like "oh well let's go next room and maybe farm the remaining 10 that I lack" and when I went back she was gone...

>>720363296
>>more enemies should give you rosaries, its not good game design when you have to grind them later on to buy out shops
But you never need to farm rosaries. If you haven't had enough rosaries to clean out all the shops by the end of the game, then you must have surely have lost countless rosaries to dying and then losing your cocoon.

So you really do not ever need to farm. You just need to accept that you might not be able to buy everything immediately. But instead of farming, you can just accept that some purchases may need to wait. Which is totally fine in my book. Don't know why everything needs to be bought asap.

>>720355672
>game made to be difficult is difficult
Why does this warrant a nerf you stupid cocksucker. The game is reasonably beatable.

>>720363608
Only at select merchants (the one at Bone Bottom just leaves, cucking you out of the feature until Bellhart), and otherwise the necklace machines only exist near certain benches because Hornet is a stupid bitch who can't craft them herself. If you want rosary necklaces it's better to just spawn at Greymoor and farm due to how close the necklace machine is, rather than hold onto beads and risk death until you happenstance upon a random one in the wild. Farming and farming and farming and farming. You can write all the contrarian cope posts you want in response to this, but the farming is already getting nerfed because that shit is fucking gay and it's retarded they wasted so many years without any kind of sanity checking about it. They delayed Silksong like 4 times to make the game bigger but apparently never double checked if any of the content was actually fun. Ridiculous.

>>720352860 (OP)
>My hatred for normies
You're playing slopsong, you are the normies, faggot.

>>720359262
Why can't my hobby of videogames have challenge? I'm not asking for every game to be challenging or difficult, but why should ones made to my taste be lessened because of dipshits who probably won't even finish the game?

>>720363747
Your average game doesn't burnout that hard. I've never been burnt out by anything as hard as Silksong before. Grinding Pantheon of Hallownest was less burnout that this.

>>720363820
The first merchant only leaves after clearing out their inventory. I guess some questions answer themselves, don't they?

>>720359832
People going
>FUUUCK THIS IS HARD
Doesn't mean they want shit to be nerfed you genuine troglodyte. Do you want people to complete the game completely pokerfaced with no emotion showing?

did those 2 bosses really need a nerf? i think they were both quite fair. i would have understood if they reduced widow's HP or something

>>720363847
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! You take that back!

>>720363917
>Grinding Pantheon of Hallownest was less burnout that this.
Nah dude you're trippin. I ate up damn near my whole vacation week trying to get that shit done

>burnout
Is this new shitposting tactic?

>>720363968
No. They were cool.

>>720363923
What's your point, fag? You're not supposed to buy all of the very important items she sells? While you're already farming for cash to buy the map bug's stupid fucking map tools that they STILL make you purchase one by one? Farming and farming and farming and farming and farming. You'll cope and seethe, and you'll continue to cope and seethe when the patches actually drop.

>>720361197
Do the enemies also have perma death?

If the default down attack went about 25% further, I think I would have no issue with it whatsoever. 95% of my mistakes with it are barely overestimating the distance and taking contact damage.

>>720352860 (OP)
kill yourself autist

>>720363296
>>button to use tools should not be the same one that uses my special attack
Blame controller tards

>>720363820
>>720364092
And I thought I'm bad at video games.

>>720363648
Not that anon. But let's not pretend like Hollow Knight isn't super strict with whatever heal opportunities it gives you, even with the speed heal charm.
And it's certainly nothing like Silksong where you can claim an opportunity to heal at practically any given point in time.

>>720364001
I grinded it for 14 straight days 4 hours per day and I was less tilted practicing Ascended Markoth than I get playing horseshit content in Silksong like the mechanical spiders who randomly spawn in the Citadel to steal your silk and launch nukes at you while playing the keepaway game. Silksong is just fucking annoying. Everything about it is annoying.

>>720363820
>If you want rosary necklaces it's better to just spawn at Greymoor
Fucking lmao
Greymoor sucks dick for farming.
There are two get rich quick areas in the citadel but that would require you to reach act 2 and not suck.
Even killing the fags near the mount boss bench can afford you the early stuff and if you aren't a retard and losing shit all the time you'll be fine

>>720364168
Being an apologist for cuck time waster mechanics doesnt mean you're good at videogames, it makes you a cuck.

>>720364187
No one cares about (You) and your shit tastes.

>>720354932
This, talismans are as casual as it gets

>>720364251
What good is the citadel for early game farming when you're still in act 1 and haven't unlocked it yet, you stupid faggot?

i dont do parkour

>>720356338
That you?

>>720364256
Seethe. Don't forget to take a break from the thread if you're getting burnt out! Pce yourself lil threadshitter!

>>720364252
>Being an apologist for cuck time waster mechanics
You're the one who is so bad at video game you need to farm fucking maps.
In the game where you can turn rosaries into item.

>>720355424
Yeah but now we get to laugh at them when they try again expecting to steamroll the game now

>>720354932
Most yellows are pretty bad.
I used the run fast one for the meat delivery but honestly apart from that one I just have the rosary auto collect and more shards.
I switch out compass when I want more
>>720364316
Deep docks has some good spots early on and like I said near the first bellway boss you can kill like 4 guys and rinse repeat.
Greymoor doesn't do much drops, it's much more worth it to stack early and then if you need more in act 2 you can do it there but that would require future planning which the average normalfag lacks.
Not even worth buying mask shards until you know you are getting an upgrade soon, I image you are squandering the money you do get like a retard

>>720364375
I'm not playing the game without the map when it takes 5 minutes to farm the mobs next to the map bitch's initial spawn, which the game gives to you for that exact reason and tells you to do it, only to backtrack back to her and buy them later. Because that money I earn while traversing the level for real can be used to buy actual shit from the other merchants later on like tools. Everybody already agreed that having to buy the map in HK was stupid because it was de facto forcing a round of grinding on you unless you're a speedtranny who's already got a route memorized, they brought it back for SS because they spent the whole dev cycle sucking their own farts and getting high off contrarianism.

>>720364335
Parachute status?

There should be a special achievement for those who beat the funko pop game before it got patched. You guys are the real hardcore gamers.

>>720355871
I have never played a single assassin's creed game. But knowing Ubisoft and the audiences they go for, I'm guessing it's casual-hell and baby easy?
Is that what you were implying? That Hollow Kngiht is an utter cake walk until the last percentages?

Which might be true. But is that even what you're saying?

>>720364562
Yes.

Silksong is GOTY

>>720364562
>journalists can now beat sister splinter and moorwing after only 4 tries each
The sky's the limit really

>Silksong is more Ninja Gaiden than Ninja Gaiden: Ragebound
my sides

>>720364443
Greymoor is the only location before Act 2 that has a rosary string machine, you can get like 40-50 beads per run killing the pilgrims to the right of the halfway home and then run straight to the bead machine instead of having to fast travel there from somewhere else.

>>720356479
If Silksong had its own Godhome update. I bet the achievement percentages would start to look higher than Hollow Knight's before long. I really do not think the game is more difficult.
>but the platforming
The platforming too. There might be a lot more of it, but I wouldn't say it's even White Palace tier. Let alone anything like Path of Pain.

>all these challenge autists screeching
i'm glad they're making the game easier just to make you cocksuckers seethe

>>720364789
Hell no. Currently less players have reached act 2 than have beaten the entirety of hollow knight including the any% ending. You are delusional if you think that trend would somehow be reversed in a godhome update.

>>720354875
>Candy crush players now decide game difficulties
Fuck this gay earth

This massive collective meltdown of shitters unable to accept being bad at a video game and demanding it be nerfed to their shitter skill level that we have witnessed in the past week is an event that should be studied
Is it simple narcissism? Or is it something more?

>Currently less players have reached act 2
The game is out for like week and has ~500000 real time active players 24/7

>>720364895
>Hell no. Currently less players have reached act 2 than have beaten the entirety of hollow knight including the any% ending.
Because the game is only a week old. I know we're all gamers here. But the masses have jobs and other normalfag shit. They're not chewing through a game like Silksong in a week and act 1 is still fairly long if you don't beeline the end of it.

>>720364983
i find it especially perplexing that videogames is the only medium where this happens

you dont see people complain when a book is hard to understand and requires a certain level of intellect before reading it

>>720364983
Embrace the Void is the canon ending of Hollow Knight as per Silksong's true end, so Team Cherry considers the 5% of players with that cheevo to be the target audience for Silksong. Crazy to think you can try to filter 95% of your existing audience in the sequel to your knockout indie gem and think there wouldn't be backlash. Is it ego, autism, or both?

is it a good game? yes
is it a good HOLLOW KNIGHT GAME? no

>>720364757
You get so many strings out in the wild I didn't use those machines. Even when I did farm early game. I Just hoard them until there is something I really want and either turn in rosaries for stranded ones at shopkeeps or burn them all on stuff I want but keep the rosaries for a rainy day. I am paranoid as fuck though so I tend to overprepare money.
It helps if you don't die and if you are smart about item prioritization though.
I only got mask and spinner upgrades at shops when it would actually get me to the next point unless I had that much money to burn.
For me it was about shards mid game (late act 1 until late act 2 where I still am trying to get everything I can) because unless you want to spend rosaries you have to grind a lot for them. I wasn't using tools until I learned how hard they can burst down stuff and destroy annoying enemies too.

>>720364983
>>720365136
It's a human nature after all. If anything out of all video games EVE Online can be used to study human behavior.
Some games are basically mirrors of reality. All interaction in them is similar to possible real life situation.

>>720360638
sounds ableist ngl
>>720362045
just make two-mask damage less common and reduce the health pool of enemies, and increase silk gain, there's your easy mode. Doesn't need much testing at all, just a playthrough to ensure that the changes aren't too strong

>>720352860 (OP)
Give one justification for this game being way harder than the first Hollow Knight

Go on

>>720361152
> True finished the game without them
> Get them for 100%
> They trigger costantly and I basically get a 20% damage reduction

Is this the easy mode? It feels like shit to have errors be reversed for free

>>720365152
>is it a good HOLLOW KNIGHT GAME? no
But it is. It even has the knight's moveset, but with hornet's boosted movement. And while act 1 might be rather different from hollow knight with its relatively linear progression, act 2 is much more hollow knight like. And it's great.

>300 years later shitters are still crying about mask damage when you have unlimited 3 mask heal and insane movement
>and strong tools

>>720365361
I reject the very notion that it's more difficult.

>>720365217
Enemies don't drop that much money bruv, you saying "you didn't use tools" tells me everything I need to know. You will not have the cash to pay for maps and the tools at the same time, the merchant in deep docks who sells that shit charges infinity bajillion dollars for them relative to how much you're earning at the time and how hard you're getting raped by maps and benches. The more you interact with the systems as intended (as you yourself mentioned about discovering the shards grind), the harder you farm.

>>720365389
>It feels like shit to have errors be reversed for free
Why? It's random. I don't even think about the dice.

>>720365361
HK was mostly easy but a lot of people seemed to enjoy the harder additional content they had put out, so they thought that the fans would have appreciated a more challenging base game

>>720358027
are you stupid? from soft in every single game nerfed bosses that people bitched about the only exception to that to this day is demons souls every other souls games had various bosses nerfed

>>720365392
hey man sorry, i played neither game. i just thought it sounded right to say that

>>720364517
I got every map with no farming

just beat the game and now i learn that I played on easy mod (reaper) the whole time

>>720365509
elden ring is a million times harder than demon souls still

>act 2
>play game
>500+ rosaries average from exploration
Why do those cucks farm? Seems unhealthy. Why they don't stop farming? Is this form of self-harm?

>>720365136
That's a damn good point, but they'll probably say the book or film is bad for some other reason before they admit it's beyond them and they're retarded.

>>720362825
>And when I hit a wall I would just go somewhere else on the map and then come back later and be able to beat it.
I don't know how's so far with Silksong, but back when Hollow Knight started to get really popular, we would get a lot of people who seemed incapable of the initiative needed for the decision to abandon a boss or an area that's too hard for you at the moment, and try progress somewhere else. People would just bash their heads against a wall for an entire evening and then come crying that the runbacks ruined the game.

I think because of how hand-holdy a lot of modern games are, people are just not used to the freedom of exploration that a typical metroidvania gives the player.

>>720365458
I think I just took a better route than you and was very selective with tools even when I did get them. Like I wasn't really using the paid tools, mostly just triple pins for a while because I felt like unlocking a red slot was a waste. I only went around buying stuff when I already had tons of rosaries.
If you have no merchant and have to use the machines I'm assuming you don't have Bellhart and I'm assuming you took the farlands path, I took the wormways and never really ran out of money. Accidentally skipped the boss too until way later.
I'm still only in act late 2 exploring the map to find anything I missed so I'm not even turbo late game

>>720365136
>you dont see people complain when a book is hard to understand and requires a certain level of intellect before reading it
For better or worse, they typically reject the entire medium instead.

Don't forget to set the app manifest to read only guys if you haven't beat the game.

>>720365642
I remember playing Hollow Knight 100% blind and it was pretty challenging. I have no idea people apparently had an issue with map? I still don't know how and why.

My bonebottom merchant died and I don't think I ever bought all its stuff.
Did I fuck myself out of 100%?

>>720365642
I wouldn't say this is a "new" phenomena. I remember being frustrated at how people were getting filtered by the Triforce Hunt in Wind Waker when it was my favorite part of the game because it encouraged you to explore the world and do sidequests on the way. An overwhelming amount of gamers just want to go from point A to point B.

>>720352860 (OP)
Game's already been sullied by the normiehype. It can't be divorced from the game, what would normally be a metroidvania n5437 that you pick up and drop/not drop and leave on your library is now twitternews and dropping or not is a big deal. The experience is reddit. I'd pick a random metroidvania n5437 from the tag over this, it's the only way to get the authentic, organic non-normie experience.

>>720365561
try and grasp the point being made idiot

>>720365738
anything you didn't get would be by his corpse. You probably bought everything and forgot.

>>720352860 (OP)
Lol seethe

>>720365859
>anything you didn't get would be by his corpse.
Oh really?
So I don't need to ever worry about my merchants dying before having bought their stuff?
That's good.

>>720365838
we don't do emojis here zoomphoneposter

>>720365445
I never had to retry a boss more than a couple of times in Hollow Knight
>>720365502
It's a dumb decision. Optional content being hard isn't a problem but main content being hard is

>>720365904
iirc the only other one that does die will ONLY die after you've bought everything from them

>>720362275
Keep contact damage when it makes sense then but remove it when it doesn't.

>>720365712
>I have no idea people apparently had an issue with map?
They spent years crying about the map system updating only when you sit on benches. It was pretty pathetic.
Personally I feel it makes exploration way more interesting and engaging, it actually forces you to think a bit about your general direction and pay attention to the surroundings.
But a lot of people (and not just casuals) just want a permanent mini-map auto-updating with every single step, because they don't actually enjoy the process of exploration, they say they do, but when they talk about "exploration" what they mean in their heads is "the map is telling me to go to point A, so I followed the map to go to point A".

>>720362825
I'm also not that good at video games, especially with my reflexes getting rusty as I get older but I can still enjoy the game. I just change my approach instead of whining and pressuring the devs to make the game easier. I think these people keep whining because they have never faced any challenge in games or otherwise and always get what they want by crying.

>>720366053
normgroids essentialy want the game to play itself so they can be done quickly with it and post memes about it on reddit

if they are stuck at some boss at the beginning they cant do that and will feel left out

>>720365914
personally I'm fine with the game's difficulty, but given that surely they knew that it would have sold massively it would have been wise to give easy/normal/hard options

>>720364547
Trainer
this is normal for those who will use the keyboard, because the game is not designed for the keyboard

>>720366114
>so they can be done quickly
That's another thing. People nowadays are obsessed about consuming things as fast as possible so they can post on social media about it and jump into the next bandwagon asap.
Remember all those retards saying that HK was too long and it had "too much content"?
Can't wait to see the same shit takes but worse with Silksong.

>>720363952
>People going
>>FUUUCK THIS IS HARD
>Doesn't mean they want shit to be nerfed
so you haven't seen any of the threads spammed over the last week, huh?

>>720365445
It obviously fucking is and you are delusional if you claim otherwise. I am not saying that it is a bad thing though, as hollow knight, barring the end game & usually optional shit, was quite easy game. Silksong starts out far harder than Hollow Knight was in the early game, and only gets harder as you progress, with only map traversal becoming easier. The enemies you face consistently ramp up in danger and your own survivability and even ability to deal damage does not grow at the same rate it did with the Knight.

By mid game the knight is already tough as fuck, being able to facetank many bosses you encounter, and you have the descending dive and shriek spells that fuck up enemies and bosses alike, plus probably 2 or 3 nail upgrades, whereas by act 2 in Silksong you may have gotten one or two extra masks at most, your spells are still just the needle throw and thread storm (not to mention that your spells in general suck shit in comparison to what Knight has) and you have at most 1 nail upgrade because in order to get more nail upgrades you need pale oil that can only be obtained from the Citadel.

>>720356756
>>720356794
Long run backs post 2010 arent an acceptable mechanic in a game. Older games even ditched that trash. Not retards like you pretend it acts content to a game.

>>720365643
>I took a better route than you by basically ignoring all of the game's mechanics that it's trying to get you to use
Maybe those mechanics just fucking suck then, if the best way to play the game is not using them

>>720366752
>implying that game design hasn't only gotten worse since 2010
you played yourself

>Unlock Needolin
>"Oh it's like the Dream Nail"
>"Wow this NPC has a ton of dialogue, there's at least 5 different lines here"
>"How cute, everyone is singing"
>"Holy shit I just blew 3/4ths of my silk, what the fuck?"
Silksong has a insane Catholic Guilt complex over the player being able to actually use the keys it's jangling in your face. NOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST DREAM NAIL THE NPCS THATS BAD GO FARM SOME SILK AND COME BACK. Really, nigga? What the fuck's your problem?

>>720352860 (OP)
I hated when ID did this with Doom Eternal TAG p1.

I haven't played the new version, so I don't know if the game is really difficult. But in my opinion, Metroidvanias can't have a difficulty level equivalent to, I don't know, arcade games like Metal Slug from the fourth level onwards, or classic shooters like Strikers 1945, that is, all these arcade games that are genuinely difficult.

They are exploration games where you revisit areas all the time, and if it's too difficult to navigate the areas, you start to have an obstacle to progress in the fucking game.

Hollow Knight, for example, is SUPER easy outside of the bosses. Despite this bringing its own problems, I think it's the right thing to do within this terrible genre of Metroidvanias that I've learned to hate over time (and the first version of Hollow Knight, which didn't even have pins to put on the map, was one of those responsible for this hatred).

>>720364335
somehow this made me burst out laughing
what were they thinking with those wings coming out of her ass? lmao

Get poison charm
get cogfly
get tacks
get magnetite dice
get upgraded moss stew
get fast healing

boom you can now curbstomp any boss

FREN

>>720366983
I've done most of Act 1 and the difficulty has been pretty chill so far, it's certainly not close to something like Metal Slug, maybe it gets insane later but I have no idea why people insist that it's super hard from the start.
HK had pins but limited ones that you had to buy, and it's the same in SS btw (dumb mechanic if you ask me, I wish I could put highly customizable pins on the map since I play slowly and I can't remember everything)

Are the deliveries to Pilgrim's Rest and Songclave just generic and repeatable for Rosaries or is there a point to do them?
I did Pilgrim's Rest and now it's just back.

Do we know the rosary changes?

>>720367281
only the food ingredient to the citadel one is important and counts for 100%

>>720354932
in the defense on normies, it's in a slot that offers little benefit
I think that only charms I've gotten that actually matter have been:
>bead collecting charm
>wall holding charm (it's optional, but I got use to it)
>poisoned weapons charm
>stronger heals charm
everything else is whatever, I'd put the Long Claw there, but I'm not really feeling it

>>720352860 (OP)
what is harder, this game or sonic
>run
>hit enemy you can't see
??

>>720366918
Needolin using silk makes 0 sense to me

>>720367519
The single string is made of silk.

>>720367412
>poisoned weapons charm
isn't this for another slot? I think it was for the blue ones like the bell

>>720367641
I blame lore autists then

>>720365906
wait what emoji

>>720367641
Just say she plucks some silk and keeps in in a pouch or something to use as a string so she doesn't have to make new silk each time. Seems like a pretty simple lore blurb to me

>>720367659
I'm listing out the only charms I found useful, I don't even remember the color of the slots.
I also forgot the the crutch mask.
Charms are borderline irrelevant most of the time.

>>720367894
sorry my bad

My hatred for OP is unfathomable at this point
Nobody FORCED him to patch a hard game, he patched it himself, and now he's complaining
Then the game gets ruined for him, who actually likes a challenge
God, I hate OP

>>720366918
This and clawline, I hate it.
Imagine if HK released today, the dash with iframe would 100% cost soul for no reason, even with the tiny cooldown.

>>720352860 (OP)
>makes the game WAY easier
nothing I've read in the patch preview seemed like a drastic change, did I miss something or is journos being faggots as always?

>>720367996
>Honestly, I think this patch is good. It’s making the game easier without taking away from the overall challenge - and the targeted changes against bosses and mechanics players have flagged is a positive sign.
>We’ll know for sure when the patch drops and we can experience the changes first-hand, but at a glance, this looks promising.
last few lines from the article, which also quotes random reddit comments by the way. I think this answers your question

>>720367953
maybe he uses steam and it auto-updated
not everibody is a GoGod

>>720368369
I don't think the patch has been released. I never tried it but can you really not stop automatic updates on Steam? This sounds ridicolous

>>720368531
Are you really afraid of bug fixes and -10% HP for a couple of early game bosses?

>>720361197
this would only work if the game was well designed and didn't have frame traps.

>>720368531
Not anymore it seems. You can set it to not auto update so it waits until the next time you try to start it. But I don't think you can start it without updating in that case.
the patch is also not out until next week unless you opt into the beta branch.

>>720368636
no I don't care about Silksong's patch and I'm already past one of the two nerfed bosses anyway, I was just wondering in general

>>720364672
>Ninja gaiden.
how dare you compare this souls slop to ninja gaiden.

>>720368716
>You can set it to not auto update so it waits until the next time you try to start it. But I don't think you can start it without updating in that case.
damn that's stupid, why would they do that?

>>720352860 (OP)
Just pirate the day 1 version of the game you already bought it why not get the version you want?

>>720352860 (OP)
YOU lot did this to yourself by campaigning against easy modes, without your spergouts on this the game could have just had a difficulty selection and avoid all this drama

>>720362045
Ah yes the famously made to a tight deadline Hollow Knight:Silksong

>>720368761
Steam is generally peak trash drm

>>720368992
this unironically, imagine if you could just tell all the fags crying about a boss being too hard to switch to easy mode, everyone would be happier

You can literally heal in the air lmao while floating there, how is it more difficult?

>>720367401
Not even the Queen's Egg?

>>720352860 (OP)
yup, remember you lost OP

>>720366273
>Can't wait to see the same shit takes but worse with Silksong
they're not making it to act 3 lol

>>720352860 (OP)
>noooo i HATE normies
>posts on the most normie central board on the most normie central imageboard
>doesn't even know about underground chans
kek
keep believing you're special kid

>>720352860 (OP)
what did they nerf?

>>720352860 (OP)
The devs hoodwinked everyone by not marketing the game as a difficult game. Hollow Knight's main story content was quite mild in comparison, and it's reasonable for people to assume the sequel would be pretty much the same.
Team Cherry is in the wrong here. They kept Silksong's difficulty a secret because they knew it wouldn't help sales to be upfront about it. People are right to complain.

>>720363816
it is now, lmao

>>720352860 (OP)
HAHAHA based. Get fucked OP this my game, not yours. And want it EASIER.

>>720356794
ironically calling it cope is a cope

>>720352860 (OP)
>Nobody FORCED you to play a hard game, you bought it yourself, and now you're complaining
Except you did, with decades of difficulty shaming and gloating. You brought this on yourself, and now you're complaining.

>>720360985
that anon is correct, if something proves difficult to most people it is difficult, that's how it works in a video game. it's why balance patches are to be applied in most games.

Maybe the game needs something like Mimic Tear so normies can clear it like they did with Elden Ring?

>>720359262
red pilled

>>720359429
>>plays trial and error game
>>"this has too much trial and error"
correct, time to patch it. has too much and you've correctly identified it as such.

>>720352860 (OP)
I didn't update DS3 during my magic only run and I won't update this game either.

>>720365445
>buries his head in the sand

>>720369076
We would have had to wait another 3 years for an easy mode at the rate they were going.

>plays a normie game
>complains about normies
What did he mean by this?

>>720369642
>lethal acrobatic action
>battle over 200 ferocious foes
>vanquish over 40 legendary bosses
all quotes from the release trailer, which also shows some challenging sections.
Granted coming out and saying "this is definitely harder than the first game" would have been even clearer
>>720370112
>time to patch it
first patch isn't gonna do much, but if the complaints keep coming maybe they'll add an easy mode

>>720365361
Are you serious?
>Pogo is harder until you find a Crest that lets you do the first HK move set, but then you're stuck with 2cm of range.
>More challenging platforming sections in the main game (excluding PoP because that's optional), like Mt Fay is enough of a challenge
>More challenging enemies on the path with more moves that deal 2 masks of damage. Enemies also retreat way more and fly everywhere
>Stuck with 5-6 hearts for 70% of the game.
>Most bosses deal 2 masks of damage so it's essentially a get hit three times, you're dead.
>Healing is 3 masks, but takes longer and is super unsafe, a lot of bosses punish you for trying.
>70% of the game you're stuck with Silk mostly being used for healing and nothing else.
>70% of the game, the tools do nothing in terms of damage because you have to upgrade the kit to be effective
>50% of the game you have a basic needle without upgrades...
It's super easy to find out why this game is harder than the first HK...

HK and SS give you way to be able to heal without really needing to go back to a safespot, not every MV has that yet people complain about mah difficulty... Imagine if you had limited potions to use for healing...

>>720359158
>The one that stops you from taking damage if you get caught healing is nice.
That's a blue though.

>>720371429
>Healing is 3 masks, but takes longer and is super unsafe, a lot of bosses punish you for trying.
Only thing I disagree with flat out. It's far safer because you can heal in the air. Can even be used to dodge some attacks.

>>720371676
You can but that's also a risk depending on the enemy and situation, and since all bosses have a jumping move, unless you heal in the top right or left corner of the screen...You're always taking a risk. Same as the enemies, they all have a fucking pattern of dashing towards you. If you think you can heal, you're wrong. It happens a lot, unless you totally retreat from the fights. (But sometimes you can't because you're in a tight platform surrounded by tanky flying enemies)
You have to earn that heal way more than in HK I feel. Bosses are also faster in their patterns (aside from DLC of course) so it's even more of a risk.
The tool that lets you tank a hit while healing is also a scam because you don't get the heal. And you lose all your silk. In HK you could stun way more the bosses too for a quick heal. And just dashing out and healing was legit.

>>720352860 (OP)
Does it make the game way easier? They only touched two bosses. And gave you a little extra beads for collectibles. Doesn’t even touch act 2.

>>720372071
Healing has been way easier than Hollow Knight, but also just less flexible in terms of spending.
With HK you could heal one heart for a percentage of the bar.

>>720366701
You can't really get around how it's way, way easier to heal in Silksong. You can do it safely at practically every time, and with how much silk you get you can just keep on doing it.
The Knight being tankier doesn't mean Hollow Knight is easier if Hornet can just keep on healing far more reliably than the Knight. The latter is obviously far better and reliable since it can be done perpetuity while the former, even with being tankier, still demands the player to actually know what they're doing or their health pool will surely drain with time. But with Silksong you can play real, real sloppily and still climb back up. Repeatedly. Again and again. You don't even need to learn the fights. You can just heal.

That said. I don't really think the early game is very representative of either game. And I honestly think Silksong is easier even in the early game. Because you're still many, many times more agile than the knight. So not only should you be getting hit far less than in Hollow Knight, when you do get hit, you can just heal. Which as stated, is easier and more reliable. This is true at the start of the game and it just becomes even more true as the game progresses.
Not being as tanky means nothing when you're that fast, has that much control, and can heal that easily after taking damage.

what the hell is a pogo

>>720372410
You only need 1/3 of a bar to survive another hit from most bosses in Hollow Knight. Healing is the first game is not risky or difficult to pull off even without the charm that increases healing speed especially since you can cancel it mid heal.

>>720353962
reddit peaked right here

>>720363810
>Don't know why everything needs to be bought asap.
Because people are retarded. I see it in a friend. He finds a shop, the shop asks him for 1.5k rosaries to clean the stock, and instead of going to explore the next area and return later to the keeper, he goes back 2 areas before, where the "rosaria farming guide for 500 rosaries per 15 minutes" told him to grind.

>>720372678
>Healing is the first game is not risky or difficult to pull off even without the charm that increases healing speed especially since you can cancel it mid heal.
What? Late game bosses in particular barely allow you opportunities to heal at all unless you stun them first, even with the charm equipped.
And even most bosses early bosses still ask you to analyze and identify specific holes in their move patterns that allow for a moment to heal. So even the easier bosses are far more stringent when it comes to allowing the player to heal.
That is not to say that something like Mantis Lords or whatever is overtly difficult or whatever or that you can't heal easily during it. But realizing when and where you can heal, and to not misread what throws or lunges the bosses are doing, is still more of an obstacle than what you're faced with in Silksong. Especially since the Knight is far les agile than Hornet.
And I really take issue with the idea that it doesn't matter or something because you can interrupt the heal. Not only is a partial heal at the wrong place or moment still a huge risk, you'll have wasted your precious soul resource and you'll be in a much worse spot than you were in before. And if you needed to heal in the first place then that probably doesn't bode well.

But in Silksong you can just heal if you want to. Almost every single boss allows you to heal whenever. Somewhere. And you just need to use your great agility and speed to claim those heal opportunities for yourself.
I'll admit that taking a hit while healing is a bigger bane than it is in Hollow Knight. But you're very unlikely to get when healing to begin with given how much safe it is to heal. Especially compared to in Hollow Knight. So that's unlikely to even happen. Instead you just run off and heal. Like this.

>>720372578
There used to be these things called "pogo sticks" that you could ride and bounce along by using springs.
So by "pogoing" off enemies and spikes means you are bouncing off them with your attacks.
This method of attacking and obstacle avoidance became iconic back in NES days with Ducktales.

History lesson over, sonny.

>>Patch Notes
>- Removed float override input (down + jump, after player has Faydown Cloak).
WHAT THE FUCK????
THEY'RE RUINING THE GAME

WHY?????

>>720373418
>you can parry Lance's AoE slashes attack
huh, never even considered trying it

>>720352860 (OP)
you sound like a vibrant faggot. Did you thought of the kys?

Putting the 2 slight boss nerfs aside, are the bug fixes actually important ones and the improved economy a good change?

>>720373716
Be thankful you didn't Any game with a parry turns into a parry slop once you consider parrying.

>>720373716
Hornet's parry is reliable as fuck
A lot more reliable than the Knight because it's easier to parry more than one attack consecutively without having to have SF3 Daigo parry skills.

I never played Hollow Knight because I normally prefer short metroidvanias (~5 hours) but I picked this one up because it was cheap and I was looking for something to play.

It’s definitely challenging but I’m having fun. I like the visuals and music more than anything else, it’s a very aesthetically pleasing game. I just beat the bell beast, interested to see what the late game bosses are like because he kicked me ass for a few attempts there

>>720373715
And here I was hoping they'd update the game to allow for diagonal down to also be able to do it. Not for them to remove the command altogether.
This genuinely makes the Faydown Cloak, in many respects, a downright downgrade. Even if it might be an upgrade at other times. But that's still really awkward and dissatisfying.

>>720373418
>>720372410
To anyone not using wanderer this isn't going to be very reflective of their experience for bosses. They're going to be getting one or two hits in every now and then, while being constantly at risk of taking two masks of damage. They won't be able to outheal in that manner without learning the fight to a sufficient extent. And learning the fights, which are significantly harder than HK, will make SS a harder game for them. Furthermore, healing is not as relevant to platforming and environmental hazards, which are common in SS.

>>720372410
>Not being as tanky means nothing when you're that fast, has that much control, and can heal that easily after taking damage.
>has that much control

This is the main proble, in theory your tools to play well are much better than in HK but in practice people can't use those tools that well, basically having greater potential to play well doesn't mean much when most people can't use those tools as effectively, the problem with the difficulty is that Silksong is more skillbased than HK, it may seem dumb when you analize it but you would be surprised how many people are incapable of being halfway competent in games

>>720374048
I played reaper and basically got enough silk for another heal after every heal.

>>720373915
>>720373972
yeah it's pretty damn reliable once you get the hang of it

>>720372071
There is a fight in silksong that's basically pure vessel 2.0 and I was able to heal like 5 times literally during the fight. For the actual pure vessel in HK I beat him hitless because there was no chance to heal.

>>720374048
>Furthermore, healing is not as relevant to platforming and environmental hazards, which are common in SS.
Common, yes. But sadly none of it even compares to White Palace. Let alone Path of Pain.

>>720374537
You can heal when he's stunned or if you're in the exact right spot when he does his big orb magic attack

>this fat fuck shows up again
>now in lava with disappearing platforms and little faggot bugs with input reading projectiles
lmao they really want to filter the normies don't they

>>720352860 (OP)
i already backed up my original patch gog version before any fixes.
So doesn't affect me, not updating it.

>>720362009
The only balance change they need to make is to just make the charms actually useful. I don't care if they leave the double damage on contact or whatever, just give me actual fun charms.

>>720374662
Meanwhile in silksong you just jump to a top corner of the arena at random and you're fine in 99% of fights

>>720373980
>It’s definitely challenging but I’m having fun
The movement is really satisfying isn't it? Have fun!

>>720374707
The enemy gauntlet a few screens to the right is way harder.

>>720375067
Yeah fuck doing that without max health and damage upgrades

>>720374046
The steam comments are full of stuff like this. Guess people like this are to blame.
Sounds like insanity to me though.

>>720355075
>>720354932
The colored charm categories was such a stupid arbitrary and limiting idea.

>>720373972
I parried first sinner's gremlin ground crawling combo thing (4x parries in a row i think) once accidentally while panicking and felt like a god

>>720364187
there's a hidden room in High Halls that lets you permanently disable those silk stealer enemies forever, from the entire game

>>720375664
I don't get the point either, tools being on their own makes sense but the separation of charms into yellow and blue seems super arbitrary

>>720352860 (OP)
>Metroid dread is good because its HARD
>Uhhh how is it hard?
>Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>Instant kill attacks
>Really shit aiming control
>It has one boss that is like an easy rabi ribi boss

>>720363296
I want on-the-fly crest switching, DMC-style.

>Patch note is just some bug fixes and nerfing 2 early game bosses a bit
>The Internet
>HOLLOW KNIGHT DEVS NERF THE FUCK OUT OF THE GAME, THE WHOLE GAME IS EASIER NOW

>>720376601
They literally said a second patch is coming

>>720376672
>slightly nerfed Bell Beast
>decreased the amount of shards required ro the first two donations at Bone Bottom by 20%
>slightly increased the base max amount of shards that you can carry

>>720356147
it's possible, of course
but the bosses the nerfs are patching are some of the easiest in the game
i have no idea what the fuck team cherry is doing

>>720376984
Theyre the mandatory bosses

Splinter blocks off wall jump and Moorwing blocks off Bellhart if youre a retard that doesnt know the two other ways to grt there
I expect Judge to get hit next and then High Halls

>>720373715
this, anyone who actually plays the game knows that this the change to actually get mad about
the rest in the patch are absolute nothingburgers

>>720375890
>nerfing
Wait. So sandpits are now just yet another spike/spike hazard?
Is lava going to be the only lvl2 fall pit now? Aside from the lvl3 void I suppose.
That's utterly horrid. Fucking why? Absolute baby shit. Now the sand is no less scary than any regular bottomless pit or basic spike.
I'm actually really upset by this. I already disagreed with the two early game bosses they decided to nerf, but at least those were just two early game bosses that weren't terribly impactful already. But sand pits is fucking huge and the defining characteristic of entire regions and several platforming challenges.
What's next? Going to nerf lava damage too? Then why not just make everything deal 1 damage.

>>720364335
those are some puffy, fluffy spinnerettes

>>720352860 (OP)
Does this mean the mod is no longer necessary?

>>720377432
Now you'll need to install the double damage mod to truly have beaten the game.

>>720352860 (OP)
Sorry guy, devs need to fix it or i'm going to complain and demand my money back.
I didn't pay to get a game I couldn't beat and I don't care if some turbo autist speedrunner who has trained thousands of hours dedicating his life to the game can just barely manage to beat it with a bunch of tricks and hacks they studied.
If they are selling the game it publicly it needs to be beatable by normal sane people with real lives and jobs or they need to put a warning up front saying that the game is for no-life obsessed autists only.
Those complaining about the fixes are probably just angry that other people being able to play the game will diminish their exclusive eRep as part of some handful of rare people who beat the game. If so they should open up their own game studio to make games that only they and their buddies are allowed to play.

I don't have time for insane online discord circlejerk showboating "pro-gamer" bullshit. This is a game being sold for entertainment not to to be some very sad persons crowning achievement in life.

>>720352860 (OP)
They're Hollow Knight fans who got used to how pathetically easy the original was

>>720378172
why wait, just use cheats
>inb4 I'm on console
then you're a subhuman and you deserve to be parted from your money

>>720378172
>implying you can beat it with the present nerfs
Nobody told you about Last Judge huh?

Shit OP. Shit article. Mid game.

>>720377432
Read the patch notes

>>720378256
>They're Hollow Knight fans who got used to how pathetically easy the original was

I hear this occasionally, what makes the game 'pathetically easy'?

>>720371429
I said a justification. I know it's harder. I want a reason why they made it that way

>>720373715
LMAO WHAT THE FUCK

glad i pirated now, idk why the fuck they just didn't make faydown an up + B input rather than reinvent the controls

>>720365361
Because those of us who played the first need a harder challenge?

Can't entertain plebs who play nothing all the time.

>>720373715
>>720374046
>>720377150
>>720379526
it's good that it's getting removed because it creates inconsistent jumping behavior ONLY when you're trying to pogo straight down, which makes the combat suffer. nobody wants to have to release the dpad for every pogo if you're using wanderer's crest, which naturally lets you land pogos faster. it's a straight upgrade for the combat, your muscle memory, and qol if the jumping sequence is always consistent, and there is literally no situation where the double jump is bad for you.

>>720374976
>just beat bell beast
He hasn't even started moving yet lmao

>>720373980
hollow knight is even cheaper and even shorter, why would you not play that first? paying more to have the story not make sense to you sounds like a bad deal.

>>720352860 (OP)
really? That's two in one year. Now the only definitive way to play Hollow knight or E33 is to play the pirated day1 version.

Thanks, Fitgirl!

>>720380963
i simply beat the game before the patch (which is still not out)
also, the game is drm free so you're retarded for downloading viruses

>>720380963
Huh? E33 was patched to be easier?

>>720352860 (OP)
i was about to buy this but this changed my mind

>>720380529
>nobody wants to have to release the dpad for every pogo
So you don't. Instead you let go for your double jump.

>>720365361
im finding it easier than hollow knight at i'm 22 hours in.

>>720380529
>and there is literally no situation where the double jump is bad for you.
That's utter bullshit. Double jumping can be downright fatal. Because double jumping early means you won't be able to double jump later, because you've only got one double jump.
Which is why it can be massively beneficial to first float and then jump.
And let's not lie here. Something gaining too much height can be dangerous, and jumping and falling almost all the way back only to double jump up again to float without gaining additional height, both takes time, and robs you of your double jump if you actually wanted to use it later.

But really. The float is an incredible movement option and a lot of the time it really is preferable to a double jump, whereas the latter is both unnecessary, more time consuming, can easily be riskier, and rarely it's even downright insufficient for what a simple float could have achieved.

>>720363810
I lost about 500 rosaries to death over the course of the game and had to grind about 6000 extra of them to clean out every shop in the game at the point there were no new items added / no free rosary pickups left.

>>720363423
this is the worst gameplay i've ever seen, whoever made this had to be doing it as bait

I wasn't sold on the wanderer crest but holy shit I just found out about the dash attack and the after hit link. Goddamn that's amazing. Also, I hate the fucking reaper air down worse than beasts.