Thread 720374957

I'm doing literally everything I can before going back to fight the frog nigga in the maggot swamp, I'll delay it was much as I can.

Will they reuse godhome for the inevitable boss rush? They're still at large

>streamer beating Groal in 2 tries by spamming poison drills
Massive disappointment

>>720374874
Only boss I’ve first-try-cleared, a little easy but that end was cool as fuck so I will forgive.

>>720375113
Godseekers make sense, the only difference will be the outcome

>>720374957 (OP)
This looks like nortubel

>>720375142
its almost like you have to use your tools.

>>720375113
I thought it got destroyed in the Pantheon ending

>tfw made it to the double slammajam in conductor's melody
Apparently I can get Garmond and Zaza's help if I look for them around choral chambers, I already encountered them once so that's good, fuck that fucking gauntlet

so there's this little opening on the top of the map just before you get to the last judge. you can climb into a nook but the position of the nook on the map doesn't seem to line up with the hole. I smacked every piece of ceiling I could reach and it didn't look like there were any false ceilings you might be able to reach with later upgrades. what gives?

Niggas having trouble with Nyleth like me, use the hunter crest, the pogo is perfect in this case

>>720375113
They will do boss rush but in kingdom of steel and ending will be Hornet harnessing the power of void.

>>720374957 (OP)
Does this cutscene imply that a significant number of prisoners in the Slag avoided the Haunting? How?

>>720375369
This door opens from the other side

>>720375369
Its for later, much later

>>720375417
Flies don't have souls

>>720375113
godseekers are content with the shade lord now. Why would they look for jobbers?

Game would be better if it was on the HK level of difficulty

>>720375417
Fliggers are already slaves,they don't need to be haunted.

>>720375352
Shakra helps in High Halls apparently.

>>720375589
Silksong difficulty is also backloaded its not that different

>>720375410
is this an act3 boss?

POSHANKA

>>720375660
yep
Imagine fighting a boss where The floor is spikes and the wall the boss is on is also spikes, and it has an AoE that covers most of the room

Fuck that piece of shit gauntlet in the coral tower. That shit is probably going to be the reason why I'll never replay this game once I've beaten it. Fucking bullshit has taken 6 hours of my life.

>>720375290
Yeah I doubt they'll reuse the last boss for this one

>>720375352
Garmond and zaza chilled in the first shrine and didn't come to help me.

>>720375615
Anon in another thread told me you have to get all her maps first, but I can't find her in The Slab and one or two other areas I can't be bothered to explore
G&Z probably easier to get, I think

Colosseum of Fools was in the base game right? Why are there no repeatable fights in SS?

>>720375745
Act 3 is so bad. If you replay, just skip it, that's the play unironically.
>Don't have to do all sidequests (that gives shit rewards)
>No reason to do meme boss like Groal
>Most act 3 bosses are so terrible it's just not worth it
>You don't fuck up the citadel and world
>Shaman crest sucks cocks

>>720374957 (OP)
>frog nigga
cheesy strat(?):
bro just pogo
he's completely helpless if you're above him, beyond where he shoots his green shit
there's also a maggot charm that gives you 10s immunity, which can be helpful if you're shit

Wow fuck Father of the Flame, that was so annoying. Reward better be good.

>>720375741
She also has no HP, or so it felt at least. Where's data anon? I want all the numbers.

>>720375909
>spend silk and deal shit (10) damage

>>720375909
The reward is shit.

>>720375812
Oh god no. This game has enough gauntlets already

Finally got him, all it took was spamming the conch. There was one point where he was in a corner and 1 conch hit him like 8 times lol

>>720375793
The slab map is just found there, she doesn't appear in every zone.

>reserve bind
>cogfly
>memory crystal
>magnetite dice
>fractured mask
>scuttlebrace
I don't even have to hit the enemy and if they get close I can just backdash away and if they hit me I get a chance to negate damage and even if I take damage I drop a crystal for more free damage and even if they hit me a lot I have a free extra heal and even if they kill me I can negate death once

WE NOT WORRIED ABOUT NOTHIN

>>720375541
the true ending of SS is literally the kingdoms greatest power jobbing to the void. theres nothing stronger than the godseekers current god in pharloom

>>720374957 (OP)
How long before the patch drops? I wonder how many time I have to beat the first two bosses before nerf if I buy the game now.

>>720376140
You'll have many time(s).

>>720376140
All the time in the world as long as you don't update?

I wonder what song from the OST they'll use for the medley if Silksong is a GOTY nomination.

>>720375741
everything is spikes just isn't a real threat when you have slowfall cloak + infinite harpoon
you barely need to pogo to stay in the air. you probably don't even need double jump if you're good at harpoon.

>>720376140
Personally I'm just waiting for the snitch hook and plasmium fix

Why isn't my architect crest restoring cogflies? What is the trick to this shit.

nobody likes her right? I wish I culd let her die

>>720376189
>GOTY nomination
LUHMAO

>>720376237
She's like 5 lines in the game, how can you like or hate her?

>>720376223
I think it's up + bind but you need silk and it's really not that great

>>720376237
I love her <3

>>720376280
she feels forced, and I dont like that

I am at the tail end of act 2, I have cleared pretty much all quests available, Garmond is in songclave right now, is his duel after he leaves, or am I fucked?

>>720376280
smug but it feels unearned

>>720376280
I don't really feel either way about her but it seems odd I'm supposed to care about her if she barely shows up

>Could have had more epic endings like Hornet's ascension to godhood
>Rescue Lace and """""save""""" Pharloom instead

WTF TEAM CHERRY

>>720376346
too late

>>720376237
She attacked her own mother and sacrificed herself for hornet.

>>720375417
you can check if they have strings attached or not with the needolin
although I don't know how consistent that is

>>720376439
So many porn materials

>>720376387
But Hornet does? She feels a bit of kinship to her, that's why. And her life is messed up, she was basically ruined Pharloom's janny for a long time.

I just started recently, and so far the hardest part for me was the bird area and getting up there with the balloons. Gotta say I was surprised how much there was to find in that big ass room though.
Making airjumps diagonal was a weird decision ngl, I assume it's only gonna get harder from now on.

Sands of karak isn't fun. I don't undrestand the point of it.

>>720376443
God damn it, I backtracked everywhere, and I couldn't find him, then he suddenly show up there.

Just got to the Last Judge.
Is there ANY way to make the runback faster?

>>720374957 (OP)
>jump down
>Hornet theme starts playing for the fight
Absolute cinema

>>720376439
wow maybe you shouldn't have let some fucking alien implant an eldritch fetus up your ass?

>>720376453
yeah when it was already to late for forgiveness

>>720376237
I can fix her.

>>720376550
If you're on PC you can use mods to get rid of runbacks.

>>720376291
>Not that great
>Just killed Savage Beastfly in 11 flies without even having to attack it once

>>720376237
I find the frailty of her existence endearing. And she has a nice butt, but mostly the frailty of her existence.

>>720376550
By beating the boss

>>720376525
you will eventually get new crests that change your move set, both of them offer a normal down attack, one is identical the knight's moveset.

>>720376550
Just run. If you go fast enough you'll skip past everything including that annoying ass fly in the first screen

>>720374957 (OP)
>just died in coral tower
Please don't tell me there's a boss at the end of this and that I have to do this every fucking time i die to it.

>>720376550
>Is there ANY way to make the runback faster?
die less
>>720376582
if you mean the first beastfly: no shit you're halfway thru act 2 fighting an early game boss
if you mean the second beastfly: it just falls over anyway so who cares

>>720376550
Go beat Rayman Origins then try again.

I hate how useless most rewards and items are from secrets. Why even have an item that recovers your cocoon when HK did it better with an NPC you could pay to retrieve it. The cocoon in this game is also placed either where you die or in a worse position; I remember failing a platforming section and the cocoon was placed at the end of the section, not at the start.
Getting different crests is okay but having memory lockets as rewards suck after the 3rd one. I liked the weapon and charm system in this game until I realised how this new system was used to pad rewards.

>>720376550
like the other guy said just sprint and ignore all the enemies, not a long runback at all

>>720376671
Nigga yes the rematch and that is still insane.

>>720376660
hahahaha, oh, anon, you sweet summer child
of course there is a boss at the end, of course it's bad, it's an act 3 encounter
don't worry, the boss itself has one or two moves, you'll even start to wonder mid combat what's the point to even put a shitty boss like that in the late game act

>>720376660
You get a shortcut after the first 3

>>720376520
I feel with the little heart to heart conversations they have before the end and the end cutscene that they were trying to have me care too, like I was supposed to feel sad for how her life ended up but I really didn't

is there somewhere i can get map pins for the elevator tube stations in the citadel?

>>720376582
Architect crest is great but the recraft from silk isn't great it does very little

I just reached a new area, the one with the purple blooms, and finding new stuff in this game honestly gives me the opposite of a dopamine rush.

As I walk in the map bitch removes 40 rosaries from me. I don't have enough to buy the second map piece which costs 60.
I continue exploring and find some rosaries but also a save spot. I should be happy but the save spot removes my in the meantime gathered 60 rosaries that I need for the map piece.
Explore some more find a fast travel spot that costs 80.

Everything costs goddamn currency.
I am not going to busywork farm stuff from respawning enemies.

This is dogshit anti-fun design.

>>720374957 (OP)
So i talked to that green statue in Whispering Vaults, it seems like it wanted me to remove the items so did and it changed dialogue. "let our voice be your own", etc.
My question is: do i need to walk around with no items in order for whatever this is develops or can i go back to normal? Also, whatever this is, it's an inuitive thing that one can naturally do or some cryptic bs nearly impossible to do without a guide?
I'm just trying to find a path to that inacessible part of Bilewater, for fuck's sake.

>>720376439
>>720376509
>Hornet gets kidnapped and stripped nude by ugly and smelly flies
>The flies have an attack where they shoot sticky goo that incapacitates Hornet if it hits her
>A bunch of enemies and one boss that can vore Hornet.
>An enemy that binds hornet with it's tendrils and you have to smash buttons to escape
>another enemy that pounces hornet, and you have to smash buttons to escape.
>A tentacle parasite implants itself into hornet.
>a bathhouse owner pervs on hornet while she bathes.
>A bunch of characters try to smooch hornet.

Team Cherry took inspiration for events and mechanics straight out of H-games.

>>720376780
at that point, most people just want to get it over with, with how exhausting act 3, not really lace's fault

Do you just not get upgrades in act 2? I've been through like 3 areas and haven't found anything yet.

>>720376660
There is a boss at the end but you can open up a shortcut so you only have to do the last bit of enemies and the boss.

Are the courier quests for anything? I did one of them and it showed back up, so I assume its just a way to make some rosaries.

>>720374957 (OP)
>Jesus expelling the merchants

>>720376819
Talk to Shakra a second time after she introduces you to whatever place you just find her. Hornets asks for these to be made a next time she will already have them.

>>720376002
I killed him with the AI flying bots, if you use them before the fight starts, they'll hit the boss 12~16 times before he's done roaring lmao.

This will probably be fixed, but it's funny how only the player is stopped on the presentation animation, while your minions can hit the boss.

POSHANKA!

>>720376854
you forgot the bestiality (dog(roach))

Just beat the gay robo mantises.
first of all, cool fight, i unironically wish it was harder, or i could fight it again.

second, does either the wanderer crest or the not-steady-body give you a chance of critical hits or something?

while i was fighting them i occasionally smacked them extra hard, not sure if it was just flavor to represent them breaking down.

since it was my first time using either i'm not sure.

>>720376550
there's a way to bullshit xir damage to be lower instead, no cheatz

>>720376970
wanderers crest has random crits yes.

>>720376970
>or i could fight it again
act 3greymoore

>>720376838
>Does very little
>Instant refill of poison cogflies that beat the boss for you
It is objectively overpowered.

>>720376970
wanderer can crit if you hit the enemy at the exact frame the enemy attacks or so I heard

>>720377023
was it really a copy paste? I have not seen any major difference between the two fights

So what happened to Hollow Knight?
The godhome endings had him wandering out free from Radiances corruption and into Hornet.

>>720374957 (OP)
>jump on enemy in game: you take damage
>Hornet jumps on an enemy in a cutscene: epic auto-kill
Dishonest game design

Time to do Liquid Lacquer

>>720377024
>YOU MUST USE COGFLIES IF YOU'RE USING ARCHITECT
can people stop projecting their minmaxing ways to others? it's annoying

I'm just going to say it.
Charms in SS are weak.
In HK fighting with a no charms bind actually mattered in Godhome, if charms got disabled in SS I would not even notice, except for having to grab beads manually.
It feels like there is no actual charm builds, they're just random bonuses that do a little thing here or there.

>>720376839
Are you aware that you have a rosary reserve in your inventory? Unless you are constantly losing rosaries or buying everything untill you're at 0 then i can't see how you can be so broke as to not have beads to buy map, benches, etc. I'm not particularly good at this game, i die a lot and never farm rosaries, but i never found myself broke enough to not be able to afford benches and maps.

>get grapple
>realize I forgot to mark every spot that needed the grapple
kill me now

>>720377129
It's super easy.

I've been trying for the bud ending for quite a while now, and I just learned that Grandmother Silk's web attack can create webs off the top of the screen. I double jumped to clear a string and still got grabbed from something that I couldn't even see.

>cogflies
You didn't beat the game

>>720376931
>See that a new thing is coming out
>Jump back to the middle
>He roars and stops me in mid air
>Fall into the soup
reeeeeeeeee

>>720377192
>>720377157
Woah guys we got a video game pro here. Somebody give this guy some Twitch subscribers.

>>720376858
you get 2 nail upgrades in act 2

>>720376943
I did mention it.

>Free Pharloom from the curse of the the haunted silk
>It's replaced by the Void
What the fuck was their endgame?
Never trust a slimy shellback snigger

>>720377169
that's a good thing, retard

>>720376237
I thought she was the most interesting NPC and I'm glad she turned out important desu

>>720377270
They worship the void.

>hornet canonically got dunked on by a random clown for like an hour
why is he so tanky

This is GOTY.

>>720377241
Bro I only used cogflies once to test it, but it's fucking annoying having people associating architect with it every time.
We get it, you used it yourself and you're ashamed, stop projecting now and talk about something else.

>>720377270
Shamans, can't tell right from wrong.

>>720377270
trolled

>>720377196
this is the runback people will not stop bitching about, that an an empty room

>>720377024
I just wish it would recharge the minigun

>>720377349
I bet you beat Last Judge first try didn't you, what a badass.

>>720377342
It would have a chance if it didn't have act 3.

>>720376550
If you can't deal with the Last Judge runback Bilewater and act 3 is gonna murder you.

Do I get locked out of any vendors when i hit act 3? I want to 100% the game eventually but I'm also too lazy to farm right now and want to progress the story.

>>720377294
why?

>>720377406
>changes the entire world and lets you optionally reexplore everything and find the new events and fights
>best boss fights in the game in act 3
You issue.

>>720377023

>>720377015
>>720377064
man, i feel like crests are kind of tacked on at times.
no charm slot system means that every crest has to compete with all the other ones in the same category 1:1, which obviously doesn't work when you have shit like the mask or the poison vs worse-deep-focus or you-can-stick-to-walls-better
and none of the crest explain what they do in any capacity, this shit ain't written anywhere in-game

>>720377241
fuck off faggot I'm just letting that very red pepe know that he's not in for a bad time.

>>720376550
the runback is part of the boss, same as every other boss in the game

>>720375745
I did it in 2 attempts then found the shortcut. Reading some of these posts is weird, I don't understand the struggle.

>>720377270
On reflection, I really think they didn't intend it. The reason that the void is ass-raping Pharloom isn't because they invoked it, but because, in the game's words, Grand Mother Silk is using her threads to divert the void away from Lace and herself to save her daughter. They probably thought that their plan would work, but because they worship the void it doesn't matter to them that it didn't.

>>720377471
Not him but act 3 really lacks contents while having a few cool bosses
>reexplore everything
That's just not true

>Play through the whole game with poison cogflies
>Played blind so I didn't know I wasn't really beating it.
Is this what blind mimic tear fags felt like?

>>720377171
Yes I am aware. I used most of the items to buy actually useful stuff like tool pouch and new equipment slots or tools.
I still have one that gives me 30.

Still doesn't change the fact that they designed this to be as annoying as possible.

>>720377471
>best boss fights
>act 3
Holy shit what a retarded opinion.

>>720376840
idk where that statue is but you don't need to do that to get to bilewater through there

>>720377490
Even if it isn't hard and even if you can technically save at every bench and just turn the game off if you fuck up, it is still Bellhart to the top of Mount Fay without taking damage.

Is there a better shortcut to the last flea village or do I need to go through the ducts every time?

>>720377406
act 3 is great, wtf

>>720377540
>That's just not true
How else are you gonna find the new NPC interactions, dumdum? Follow a guide? kek, go play games with Ubisoft towers or something.
>>720377553
Yes, you already shared a retarded opinion above. No need for the delayed self-commentary. We're aware.

>>720377471
What I find funny is that it is almost universally agreed that the best boss in the game is Cogwork Dancers and that is also one of the easiest fights in the game.

>>720376558
Late for forgiveness? she was helping hornet since the beginning.

They unironically should've spent another year or two on Act 3.

>>720377476
very little is explained across the entire game deliberately. experimenting and shit you know.
Like did you know that taunting not only draws aggro from further away so you can fight in an area of your choosing it also provokes enemies that like to hang back into closing the distance so they are easier to hit?

>>720377542
You probably should have realized that the game playing itself is pretty broken

>Lace just randomly dashes a 4th time with literally no wind up if she hits you with a 3rd and you essentially take 4 damage
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?

>>720377584
the shortcut is going through that area above the big room, it's connected through a hidden passage rightward to the big vertical room, next to the bellstation

>>720377698
because she's trying to kill you

>>720377631
Then please talk about the "awesome" bosses of act 3. I'm waiting.
I'll only accept Karmelita and Seth without any explanation, but you'll have to talk about why the others are "the best". You're the one who said it, back it up with words now.

>>720377632
That's an inferior version of Clover Dancers in act 3. People just haven't gotten to them, or any other act 3 boss. All act 3 boss achivements are at sub-3% acquisition on Steam.

>>720377691
but it's cute and sleeps at the bench with you and sings with you when you play the viola

>>720377643
>Act 3: A B Y S S
>Abyss is just a really small "zone" with shitty platforming
Zero vista in silksong baka

>>720377759
True...

>Radiance is sent to the void
>nothing happens
>Grand Mother Silk is sent to the void
>everything goes to shit
Why is Radiance so weak

I can unlock Act 3, but I like how comfy some of the towns feel at the moment.

>>720377737
If I was a boss I would just insta-teleport on top of the player as a random mixup in the middle of my attack patterns desu.
>>720377643
It's for that souls game feeling

>>720377643
You know, act 3 is just like the beating heart you bring back to your bellhome: it ruins the game.

>>720377471
The only cool bosses were Seth, Karmelita and Lace. There wasn't that much things to explore compared to previous acts and the only new fights in old areas I remember are just random enemy gauntlets. The only new interesting interactions with NPCs I remember are Shelma and that one guy in Survivor's Camp, maybe Eva too.

>>720377797
Silk did not get slapped by the Knight

>rush reaper on steel soul
>scissor enemy fucks off and never comes back
>have to quick load
:(

I have all maps for the achievement but one (I'm guessing that's Verdania)
The thing is.. I cleared it and still don't have a map of it. How do I get it?

When do I get the dodge that actually lets me pass through enemies?

>>720377739
We've already established that you're retarded. Why would anyone spend time arguing with a retard, let alone trying to convince one of something? I just don't value your opinion and whether you agree or not makes no difference to me.

>>720377797
The power of love.

>>720375142
Using the drills well is actually quite dangerous. Respect for him.

>>720377196
I'm already doing that.

Sometimes the pogo/wind/drills still fuck it up and waste minutes.

>>720377757
Cogwork Dancers is better than Clover Dancers because Cogwork dancers has better presentation and it doesn't overstay its welcome in terms of difficulty. Literally the only thing Clover dancers does different is it has a slightly harder to dodge clash move and you can only hit one of them. Calling it better is a massive stretch.

You're only saying its better because you are a soulsfaggot that thinks "well I'm a leet gamer so harder later boss is better"

>>720377858
lol
lmao

>>720377858
When you get Double Jump and go back to Wormpaths.

>>720377858
it's a silk art, don't remember which weaver gave it to you

>>720377829
Lace 3 wasn't even a good fight, it's just like the second fight but more annoying. She barely has new abilities that aren't the ability most voided bugs have.

>>720377797
Radiance has personal beef with the void and it fucking killed them outright.
There's also the whole untold ages of being trapped away and forgotten weakening the shit out of it.
Meanwhile Grand Mother Silk was just teleported there and still had shitloads of juice in the tank and even after that the only reason she's fighting so hard is to save Lace who inadvertently got sucked in too

>>720377739
Not him but Tormented Trobbio is leagues ahead of fucking HP bloat Karmelita.
Seth attacks from off-screen and blocks half of your attacks.

In what fucking way are those two any better than Tormented Trobbio, Pinstress and Lost Lace

>>720375897
>there's also a maggot charm that gives you 10s immunity, which can be helpful if you're shit
That shit was so ass. I heard about it and picked it up for the fight not realising it was fucking useless.

I would have been better without it

were there anywhere near as many blatantly input reading flying enemies in hk as in ss? i definitely dont remember it being such a thing

>>720377829
I really liked Pinmistress but that's just because I'm air combat pilled and spent the whole fight jumping on her while using the sideways platform above the arena and parrying her charge attacks.

>>720377526
Not that guy but
>shortcut
WHAT
EXPLAIN
If you mean that rock you drop near the top I don't care about that.

>>720377529
>>720377270
To their credit they're perfectly willing to help fix the problem too.

what was the reason that some people were victim to the haunting and others went the entire game unaffected?

>>720377956
Lost Lace fucking sucks.

>cogwork dancers phase 4

I'm not going to cry because of gay robots
I'm not going to cry because of gay robots

>>720377980
No and it's the worst part of the game. The fucking flying enemies all backing away and darting around erratically and every swordsman enemy jumping back is such bullshit.

>>720377157
Yeah, tacks with architect instantly deletes any boss that touches the ground

Just beat the coral tower, bug doflamingo 2 and the father of fire in the last hour. Only 1 heart left but I onyl ahve 2 crests, where do you get them all from ive dona all the wishes

How do I finish the green prince storyline? I delivered the 3 hearts already

>>720378003
Plot convenience, same shit with Garmond randomly getting blacked for D R A M A

This game isn't very good. How do you spend 8 years on it, reusing the same skeleton, assets and gameplay, and yet manage to make it worse than your first game? HK1 wasn't like a 10/10 either so it's not like I had amazing expectations for it either.

>>720377202
I'm doing the same. It's always the horizontal needles that fuck me up somehow

>>720377891
>Sometimes the pogo/wind/drills still fuck it up and waste minutes.
That's on you being dogshit desu. You can float to make pogoing easier, and you can wait for the wind to finish. The onyl drillnigger you need to be concerned about is the last one, and you can mitigate it by floating in place for a second before moving to the gongs so you drift right under its spawn.

tl;dr you have absolutely zero thoughts to call your own and the reason you're struggling is because you're trying to robotically mimic the run

>>720377632
>best boss in the game
>easiest fights in the game

>Everyone says first sinner is god tier
>Go there
>Kill it in two tries.
It did look really cool but its attacks were too easy to read and it folded instantly to aggressive play. I feel like people just want a couple free wins sprinkled in with all the ballbusting

>>720378003
luck

By the way, I don't know if you anons have been talking to Eva but Hornet implied that she has tried to concieve children but couldn't because of the weavers curse (of being basically sterile).

>>720378003
The snail in the Citadel explains it but it's literally a Bloodborne thing, everyone was injecting silk into themselves to extend their lives and that got passed on to their children and their children's children and now the pilgrims don't even realize they have silk spun around their DNA that's making them susceptible to being controlled.

Some of the characters just don't have silk poisoning.

I think it would be cool if Sharpdart was invincible from frame 1 or if you could cancel into Cross Stitch from a normal attack. Getting hit during the startup of my invincible dash move and having to be in a neutral state to parry just feel really bad

>>720377849
It's to the right of the ruined version I thought, I mean it does have a map and the area you can still explore is very small so it can't be that hard to find

>>720378003
Same reason people die of cancer and others don't.

>spend the last like 8 hours with the tool to speed up heals
>take it off for something else
>cannot survive
oh

>beat one of the dancers
>the other one is pathetically just floating around the screen
why did it feel bad killing it

>>720377934
I agree but it still was decent fight compared to shit like that one flower boss and guy that only can throw corals at you.
>>720377984
Honestly I forgot about her. She was one of the good fights too.
>spent the whole fight jumping on her while using the sideways platform above the arena and parrying her charge attacks
I never really thought about going on side platforms so I can jump on her so I just stood under her and poked her.

>>720378142
im enjoying it well enough but it definitely has some glaring flaws. most bizarre to me is that a lot of the things silksong does poorly are things hk did well

>>720378205
Minor correction. People were having silk injected into them, not them doing it by choice.

Grand Mother SIlk did nothing wrong

>>720378142
My main problem is I'm having virtually no fun playing this but I had fun playing the first game.

Either I changed or they made it worse like you said.

>>720378174
Literally my only complaint about the difficulty with most bosses is that they are too long. You could cut the HP of most bosses by 30% and they would be hard without wanting to off yourself. Phantom for example is another really fun fight and Phantom felt like it lasted half as long as every other boss.

>>720377867
See, even others
>>720377829
agree with me. So I accept your concession of weakness. I will tell you why act 3 bosses are mostly bad, they are either
>Gauntlet (Khann, Crowfather
>1-2 moves spam, mostly ranged/projectiles (Khann, Volt, Gurr, Pale deer)
>Copy pasted (Trobio, but worst, can't see shit, I honestly haven't seen any difference between old and new dancers)
That leaves Nyleth, which is annoying but that's a personal preference, and Lace, which is an obvious downgrade of Lace 2.

Final words: Act 3 is dogshit. Skip it for replays.
Thank you very much for your concession.

I still ship Hornet and Lace.
>b-but she calls Lace a-
Everyone calls everyone "child" in Hollow Knight games.

>>720378293
Is there anything she did right?

>>720378032
Wrong. It's a fair and complex fight, she has dashes, parries, jumps, dives, aoes and regular attacks. And since she's the true final boss it makes sense for her to be as tanky as Karmelita. The main negative aspect of her fight is the color, she blends perfectly with the environment and her own attacks.

Karmelita is HP bloat, fuck outta here.

Only things left for me to to in the early game seems to be last judge, savage beastfly and sinners road. And two of these are annoying as fuck runbacks. This slowly drains the fun out of me and I beat everything in HK except the pantheon / path of pain stuff.

>>720378360
Her final act is about it.

>>720377196
>30 seconds
Yep that's way too long

>>720377894
I don't even think they're harder because you'll be even stronger at that point, I mean I died to the regular boss and not to them but I guess I also knew what to expect

>>720378316
I think this is because they balanced around tools.

>>720376237
She's my silk wife.

>>720378367
Ah yes, trying to dodge projectile spam only for her to literally spawn right in front of you with quite literally no warning. Very fair.

>>720378264
>one flower boss
Yeah she is such an annoying boss, she's not fun at all. But we have cocksucking anon like
>>720377471
>>720377631
who loves every boss of act 3 for some reasons he won't even tell.

>>720378319
>>720377829
Wait I forget about Tormented Trobbio too, he was also one of the cool bosses and my favorite from act 3

>>720378142
a matter of taste, I really like the design decisions of SS
more HK would've been stale, the faster gameplay and multitask focus keeps it fresh

what garbage is this
do I need some double jump bullshit to get to this area

I found the hotsprings episode

>>720376237
Why did she help at the end of act 2?

>>720378371
>savage beastfly
Should I have skipped this fight for later?
Was one of the first I did and it was no fun.

>>720378510
HORNET YOU OLD HAG GET AWAY FROM THAT LITTLE BOY!!!

how do I get to the part of shellwood where the heart is

>>720378524
rage against the creator

>I can't wait to try different builds with beast crest
>remember I will only ever have 1 blue slot
What a sick joke

>>720378567
Tom Morello guitar solo

I just defeated the Last Judge and I'm not sure if I want to keep playing. All these bosses dropping nothing after making you witness all their bullshit sour my experience so much. Does Act 2 is better or more of the same....or worse?

>>720378354
Chance is Lace is older

So what the hell is act 3? It's just cleaning up quests? Because you guys keep saying certain stuff is act 3 but I'm only in act 2 and I've done most of it

>>720377632
i likd them because they actually had clear telegraphs. the fight could have been way faster and longer and id still have liked it. so many bosses in this game have very similar looking telegraphs (and their forward swings have a backswing which deals damage, and vice versa, which makes them functioinally the same).

cogwork dancers, last judge, phantom, and fourth chorus (which granted, was particularly easy, but its in an early area) are the only bosses ive fought so far whose movesets and telegraphs felt well developed. yes, theyre all on the easier end, but the difficulty with a lot of the harder bosses doesnt come from needing great mechanics; its just that the bosses arent fucking readable

>>720378441
Nigga I learned to glide or clawline after the 2nd time it happened.

>>720378561
Grand Gate elevator

>>720378524
Same reason she helped Hornet at the start of the game.

why is this slut always getting naked

What the FUCK is this little nigga?

Just unlocked the architect crest is it good? Not a fan of the pogo move.

>>720378642
Just accept that you got filtered and uninstall, I can already tell it's over for you.

I got the flower, surely i can kill void fags faster now

>>720378658
The boss fights are their own reward. Take that rpg mentality somewhere else.

>>720378642
Your reward is more exploration.
Bosses that actually give a reward (like the first silk heart with bell beast) are actually very rare.

>>720378274
>>720378303
It just seems like the game is LITTERED with small annoyances, purposefully frustrating areas or bosses, timewasting runbacks and long stretches of travel to find new areas once skills unlock...

I also don't appreciate how you spend the highlight of the game, The Citadel, wading mostly through fucking ratholes and shitty pipes, especially with how DRAB the areas in Act 1 are. I just cannot fathom where all the time went to and I kinda wanna chalk up the price drop as the devs admitting they really did fuckall for the vast amount of it and to tone down the criticism.

>>720378658
Act 3 adds new areas, new bosses, a new power and re-contextualises existing areas

>>720378658
it's more game to play
do your chores and get to act 3 before you get spoiled

>>720378732
child
parasite
god

>>720378732
That's your son

>>720378743
It's the peak "I don't actually want to learn any fights" crest, but be prepared to pay the price

I don't feel so good

>>720378763
>The bosses of act 3 are their own reward.
Wow... I didn't know you could give cancer as a reward. Thank you team cherry.
Surely the final boss must be the most amazing boss ever made???????

>>720378142
You're nuts. Hollow knight was already great and silksong built off that to make something amazing

>>720378753
No but they don't drain your silk anymore which is neat

>>720378660
You've pretty much summed up why I fucking hate every swordsman fight in these games other than Phantom. The fucking tiny sprites and lightning fast reaction times.

>>720378763
Was for >>720378642

HIS NAME WAS PILBY

>>720378606
>Hey, here's your new Crest!
>By the way, you only get one of each charm and tool
>By the way, you don't heal from bind, but instead lifeleech off enemies by expending silk!
>"Cool, does that I mean I can just toggle that ability on?"
>NO YOU FUCKING FAGGOT GO THROUGH THE SAME SLOW ANIMATION THAT LEAVES YOU TOTALLY EXPOSED
>Also enjoy you downward attack, we made it purposefully unusuable, as a joke

>>720374957 (OP)
>There are multiple waves of regular enemies before the real boss shows up.
>The boss's attacks are so aggressive and sweeping, you can't even comprehend how to avoid damage, before you're dead in 3 seconds, because every blow does double damage.
>You have to replay the regular enemy part of the fight, just to get another chance to learn the boss.
>Once again, he's so aggressive and his attacks fill up the whole space, that you can't even see a path to avoid him.
>You're just forced to give yourself arthritis getting through the enemy waves, to have another shot at the boss and learn nothing again.

What were Team Cherry smoking, this fucking SUCKS. I can't even think, because I have to look out for every micro twitch the boss does to read his attack, and just GUESS which direction the game wants me to dodge, because his attacks come out so fast, it's literally impossible to react in real time. If you don't read his tell, you can't dodge the attack. But all of his attacks take up so much fucking space, I don't know how to avoid getting cornered and dying in seconds of starting the fight.

Oh, and the regular enemies don't even drop rosary, so you're not accumulating any money from this fight. Dogshit.

Fuck it, I'm going somewhere else. I already explored most of the citadel before getting the harpoon. So now I have the option of revisiting all the harpoon spots. Yayyy, backtracking to cool off from the boss.

>>720378848
Yeah, the true final boss was pretty great

Is there a puzzle here that I'm too dumb to get or was there nothing here aside from the metal at the back?

Replaying the game in steel soul made me realize how bad reaper actually is, so fucking slow, such a small hitbox.
Might just learn hunter pogo for fights and do reaper for platforming

>>720378807
>>720378825
I want an abortion. Where can I do it?

What happens to Zaza after you know what?
;_;

>>720378774
>I kinda wanna chalk up the price drop as the devs admitting they really did fuckall for the vast amount of it and to tone down the criticism
the reputation around hk1 would have been very different if it had been a $60 game, which for its playtime i dont think would have been outside of the realm of possibility, but it doesnt compare so favourably to other games in that price bracket

i suspect they wanted the same leeway with silksong. im extremely baffled as to how it is the way it is, given how long they had, but they MUST have known it had issues

>>720378903
>true final boss was great
>reskin with 2 new abilities
amazing

>>720378142
I have no idea how someone can post this without being trolling, which tbf, It's obvious that a lot of you are.

>>720378934
The real king of that mode will be architect.

>>720378908
Talk to fleamaster
if nothing happens explore more ducts

>7 years of development could made each boss to give boss power as reward like mega man
>lmao all efforts go to the gauntlets

>>720378951
I will tell you only cause you still have the statuette
Remember the pollip heart quest in shellwood? Go to that person, she will raise the baby for you

>>720379004
I already met the flea hulk, I meant that room specifically, since it seemed kind of anticlimactic and there's the pillar of light at the upper right.

>>720379000
not really for me its always gonna be wanderer with longclaw im just gonna rush it this time

>>720378934
Learn to use wanderer.

>>720378976
5 new abilities. We get it you got filtered and had to power through it, but the boss fight is still good.

>>720378984
NTA but I didn't think HK1 was as good as people were saying. I'm not a metroidvania fan. However, I'm having a blast with Silksong even if some parts can be frustrating. I might actually go back and play HK1 to give it a second opinion since I didn't actually do everything

>>720378898
Everything in this game is designed to annoy you.
The fun is had in not playing it.

>>720379084
wanderer without longclaw doesnt hit shit

>>720378857
>I fucking hate every swordsman fight in these games
bosses were something i think hk did well, outright filler like mossy aside. but my one big gripe was how many were variations of "sword guy". not only were they very samey, they were some of the weaker fights.

from what ive seen so far, SS's bosses sit much closer to HK's sword guy tier than its peaks. im so confused by so many of the choices made for this game

>>720379084
What's there to learn, it's the most basic attack set possible

>>720378976
It has 5 new attacks and it makes an already decent fight better

>act 3 abyss possessed savage beastfly
aw hell naw

>>720379143
Skill issue. Played the whole game with it and it was incredibly easy.

>>720379061
come back with the act3 superjump to that last thing you mentioned

>>720378160
>missing the point this hard
the wind forcing you to wait is annoying because it's wasting extra time, same with the fly occasionally getting in the damn way. Anon's complaint wasn't that the runback is "hard" (it isn't", it's that he wants the runback to be consistently faster.

>>720378071
Hookshot, bro, that’s what it’s there for

>>720379143
Yeah it does

>>720374957 (OP)
Shakra keeps talking about finding her master but how do I start her quest? I want her help for High Halls but she's nowhere near here.

>>720379102
>2 abilities that you've seen all act 3 from voided bugs
>the tsunami
>she does 3-4 dashes instead of 2
>teleports everywhere like a sperg
wow amazing final boss that reuses 70% of the kit of a boss you've fought not once, but twice
imagine if HK's final boss was hornet with 4 more moves instead of radiance

>>720379207
I didn't know about that.

>>720379232
50 years for a basic enemy
i kneel

>>720379048
YEET

>>720379257
Idk, eventually the quest was in bellhart for me after I had done most stuff.

>>720379310
Trust her

>>720379293
>10 seconds with only basic attacks
>50 years
Retard-kun...

>>720379293
We don't know the nail upgrade status, can't blame that on the crest

>>720379265
I forgot about the teleport. Make that 6 then.
HK final boss is the exact same boss as before but faster and with spikes cluttering the arena floor forcing you to pogo spam. Amazing design.
Don't know who you're trying to gaslight herr but it certainly won't be me.

>>720374957 (OP)
I just beat the frog last night. He was slapping my balls. Felt like I was getting worse at the game the more I played. Then I shut my brain off. Played in the most boring way possible. Got close. Short hops. Slow. Lots of hits. Only reacted to his movements. Easy peasy. He went down like nothing. For the mobbing section, I just stick to the wall. The bush faggots can't overwhelm you so much on the wall, plus it's easy to set up preemptive strikes on both types there as well.

>>720379232
you could just parry the battou attack

>>720376237
Why the FUCK did they make a shitty refight of a boss you've already fought twice be the final boss of act 3? I'm not the only person that thought this was just a disappointing end fight am I?

>>720374957 (OP)
When does it start getting fun?

>>720379484
It is pretty fun until fourth chorus

>>720379265
>imagine if HK's final boss was hornet with 4 more moves instead of radiance
bad example desu because radiance fucking sucked

wait as im typing this i realise im thinking of absrad so now this is just a comment reminding you how absrad sucked

>>720379357
What does happen if you say no to the Wish I wonder? I imagine most people just said yes right away, I bet she wouldn't let you

>>720379107
NTA but I'm not metroidvania fan either. I've played like 5-6 other metroidvanias other than hollow knight and they were all so boring I dropped them. The reason I like hollow knight isn't for the metroidvania aspect. It's because the combat is good and the world building is interesting. That's what kept me playing and silksong does combat even better and while the world building is weaker it's still solid. The issue with both hollow knight and silksong is that they're unironically "it gets better after 5 hours" games and most people don't want to wait that long to get hooked. So if you're not like me that was hooked immediately then it's a hard series to get into even before the git gud stuff

i've seen ZERO fanart of the bell beast babies
Fucking artist always so slow

You think we're ever going to visit these places in the future?

>>720379232
>actually using your movement abilities in combat instead of just awkwardly walking back and forth fishing for safe hits
You didn't be-

Silksong definitely has that Elden Ring thing going on where it feels like people still don't know how to truly play the game. Clawline is underutilized by 99% of players, half the playerbase defaulted to using the basic bitch wanderer crest instead of realizing that the diagonal pogo is really good, and many players ignore tools not by choice, but out of ignorance.

I broke my attempt at avoiding spoilers to come here and say FUCK the fleas.
>highest tier nail upgrade is locked behind asinine minigames
>instantly all my goodwill towards those goofy little guys evaporated on the spot
I fucking hate this shit.

>>720377676
stuff like the base effects of crests should be more explicit.
i encourage adding niche stuff like the taunt, but the meat and bones should be at least be roughly explained.

i don't need
>25 damage, +15% silk generated per hit, -15% swing speed
but at least a simple description like
>slower, longer range attacks that generate more silk
or something like that

>>720379424
>>720379536
I'd take anything new other than a reused boss for the 3rd time. That's simply it.
I'm not gaslighting anyone or anything, but you can't deny that this isn't a valid opinion.

>>720379310
>>720379048
I thought they were male desu

>>720379232

Equip the barbed bracelet and have nail at 3rd upgrade for faster results

>>720378490
just wall jump and you have to go from the other side iirc

>>720379573
I thought that was a poem, it's a report lmao

>>720379603
The fact they look like White Lady insta-locked their "girl" status to me.

>>720379484
When you fall down in bone bottom.

>>720377676
there is a taunt?

do you learn more about the silk mother in act 3? compared to the pale king you barely learn anything about her and shes kind of thrust upon you right at the end of act 2 with minimal lore

>>720379597
>it's not valid because I said so
>it doesn't matter if Lost Lace is the most complex boss from both games
Man...

>>720379484
The second you get sprint

>>720379583
I wish the game wasn't catered to abusing tools honestly. I never did magic in Hollow Knight and I never felt like it was holding me back, while it absolutely feels like that in this game.

>>720379597
oh i wasnt disagreeing with you; i just wanted to shit on absrad. radiance as the final boss for the original true ending was pretty good iirc, thought i think i only fought her like twice

its just absrad that should never have been put into the game

>>720379603
Well, it is the witch crest

These threads cannot stop flip flopping between praising the game and raging at it lol.

>>720376237
>saves Hornet twice
>Caretaker mentions that she was also protecting Songclave a bit
>just a mesugaki who wants attention
>great boss fight
>absolutely MASSIVE hips
Why am I meant to hate her again?

>>720379693
A lot of the lore in this game is hidden behind needolin on dead bodies.

>>720379583
>half the playerbase defaulted to using the basic bitch wanderer crest instead of realizing that the diagonal pogo is really good,
I use it because I like the fast attack speed

>>720379760
It only happens at certain times of the day

>>720379760
There's a lot of filtration happening in this particular thread

Can't wait for the coral king lore video, nigga was fighting gods and shit

>>720379760
It's mostly trolls, they must have realized that concern trolling is more efficient than spamming child porn, one of them in particular, doesn't even try to pretend he isn't samefagging.
Whenever most of them go to sleep, the threads get comfy again.

Rosary vendor. Im going into BATTLE. Im telling you I need only your STRONGEST equipment loadouts.

Dont you need wall cling from sherwood for the wanderer?

>>720379232
you literally hit 3 actual regular attacks per enemy not including the hook and you only got those attacks because of the hook

>>720379701
>it's not valid because I said so
Never said that. I said that it's bad because it's a reused boss. But I see that you're just close minded.
>Lost Lace is the most complex boss from both games
Now, that is trolling.

You fucking bitch
Now I have cancer

>>720374957 (OP)
>beat Savage Beastfly 1 third try
>"that was kinda tough but it wasn't so bad, what was everyone bitching about?"
>see that there's one more to fight when I get the Beastiary
>"oh, I guess that's the one people bitch about"
>finally get quest in Bellhart
>"ah shit, let's see-"
>beat the refight SECOND try
Holy shit you guys suck ass. Use your tools and spam Silkspear on the adds and this guys is piss easy. I think I even fought (pre-nerf) Moorwing more times

where tf is the key for the thing in whiteward

>>720379909
I've done a majority of the game without longclaw and when I finally got it, it's only a 10% increase in reach so it's not even worth it

How do you get the mask upgrade?

>>720379701
Absolute Radiance has to be more complex by virtue of having 6 phases

>>720379705
its not abuse theyre part of your toolset and overusing them is limited by your currency, you are meant to use them bro they're like this games version of charms in terms of power

>>720379948
Well you did agree to complete the final rite

>>720379705
True but you definitely feel how utterly retarded powerful the Knight's spells actually are with Shaman Stone.
That and moreso when Flukenest used to have its ridiculous bugs like a kill being multiplied by the amount of Flukes hitting an enemy, which could speed run the Colosseum and multiply Geo gains.

>98% Completion
>Still can't find the key for the lock that's in the whiteward
I'm not going to look at the replies as I don't want to spoil it, but fuck me this is just banging my head against the wall at this point.

>>720379909
Wow, so it's shit if you rip the l2 button off your controller.

>>720379760
It's because people are starting to finish the game at 100%. It's not just the guy posting pic because he was walled by Fourth Chorus.

Let's make no mistake, this is a great game. But Act 3 is clearly the worst of it for many real reasons. You can't discuss these reasons with people, they will never accept it, even if there you have legitimate issues about it. It's good to be a fan, but people are so inflexible in their ways of thinking, things will never change.

>>720380013
you don't actually have to choose.

>>720379948
>I suffer why shouldn't they
hehehee

>>720379998
explore and get mask 4 shards

>>720379956
A lot of people are terrified of using silk skills because they want to save silk for heals, not realizing that killing enemies faster also saves you from dying.

>>720380065
No I've seen people with weaver masks instead of normal masks.

>>720379904
most busted is definitely architect with poison flint, since it applies the extra damage a ton of times with the drill attack

>>720379967
beam of light above the one final little platform by the 3 long boys with the blades corridor, fake nothingceiling and you will need the hookshot to get the item

>>720379838
That's also true. I really think they need to rebalance crests.
>slightly reduce wanderer's damage
>do nothing to hunter, it's fine
>slightly increase reaper's damage
>give beast a fucking blue slot, increase its damage after binding, and make its sprint attack hitbox activate earlier
I haven't played enough with witch, but architect and shaman are also fine. Wanderer's attack speed is just such a disgusting advantage over reaper's range, or any crest other than architect for that matter.

>>720380067
Would help if getting hit while casting anything didn't delete your entire silk bar.
Would help if you didn't have to use an entire spool to heal
Would help if the gains were better

>>720380043
hint, use your new abilities somewhere

>>720379903
This. It's pretty obvious in this thread in particular.

>Can't parachute without triggering double jump first

I'm not sure if I like this gameplay adjustment. Having on demand parachute was quite useful on multiple occasions.

>>720379701
>Lost Lace is the most complex boss from both games
Anon that doesn't really matter when you effectively beat her the same way as act 2 Lace. The same moves are safe to punish and her new ones can mostly be avoided by staying airborne. She even drops the counter midway through the fight.

>>720379905
No, I got there on first playthrough with nothing but pogo and the simple key. I didn't even have dash.

>>720380235
hold down and you'll float right away when you press jump again.
better hurry tho, they're patching this one out for some fucking reason.

>>720380095
idk, might be the last upgrade from eva

>>720379917
Name another boss from both games that has every type of attack, cycles between all of them and reacts to player input.

Give me a good fucking reason why this 8 years in development game doesn't have:
>Homeward Bone equivalents
>Stake of Marika equivalents
>Blood Bullet equivalents

>>720380160
NTA could you pls tell me what ability you use where I can't find that fucking key either

>>720380258
Oh anon be careful, they will think you're a troll too!
Like
>>720380198

>>720380043
Actual environmental design issue, I was mad

>under 10 attempts each for seth, nyleth
>sightread khann and clover dancers
>took like 30 attempts to down karmelita
just me?

>>720380131
>beam of light above the one final little platform by the 3 long boys with the blades corridor
Might be the most useless direction ever

Someone please help a retard out. I saw a post saying that there's a spool under the whiteward elevator, so I'm trying to get there via the way from the cauldorn, but the doors are closed, so it seems like the path is only one-way from whiteward. So how the hell do I get under that elevator otherwise?

>>720380360
:)

>>720380309
Of course, I got the hint in these threads as well
it's in the whiteward, use the super vertical jump to find a new area, it's the surgeon key, where exactly I don't remember, near the end

>>720380358
Not 30 but I did find her the hardest of act 3 I think.

>>720380358
she is the trickiest one, each phase removes openings by extending her combos

>Missing the last mask shard and its not sold by vendors
fuck

>>720380378
Hint: you can move the elevator without being inside it

Lost Lace is a shit fight because it's got too much visual clutter and reused mechanics from the previous encounters (but with a TWEEEEEST)
It's not even hard, it's just that you have to keep track of black thing on a black backdrop with black projectiles
here's hoping they put in something challenging in some future updates
also fuck them for not letting me fight Lost Lace with the parasite active, had to actually upgrade to beta branch just to finish that fucking quest

>>720380418
you can just walljump, even without double jump

>>720380378
Jump off the walls to climb to the top and call the elevator and then jump down and get below it I think

>keep hearing that act 3 is dogshit cancer aids
You fags are demotivating me

>>720380459
No, no, no, Anon, you can't criticize Lost Lace, the other anon said it is the most complex boss from both games!

>>720380489
Well shit

>>720374957 (OP)
Bros
How did you guys get captured to do the naked portion? I went in through the apostate key and I guess I skipped the whole thing??
That sucks I wanted to see Hornet naked

>>720380137
Witch desperately needs a range increase on its bind. It's shorter than the burst from the mirror and you can't heal unless it hits. Also the way the pogo works makes it so sometimes you just take hits that you really really shouldn't. For instance if you pogo an enemy during act 3 when they do the void tendril attack you will take damage from it. Witch is fun, but it's quite bad

>>720380550
it's actually pretty good

>>720379760
Don't listen to retards and casuals. There's maybe one quest that I think needs a bit reworking and everything else is fine. People just refuse to do 2 things. Think and git gud

>>720380550
Act 3 is fine. Last boss is a coinflip as to whether you'll like it or not.

>>720380550
See for yourself, anon. Maybe it's bad for some, maybe it's good for some.
The bosses are pretty bad, so if you're looking for cool fights, you won't have much

>>720380146
Would help if the player was better too.

>>720380550
traversing definitely becomes cancer, bosses are kinda hit or miss

Is this an act 3 thing? This zone is very annoying to traverse.

>>720380550
It's more annoying than anything, if you didn't mind random mooks doing double damage already, nothing much changes

>>720379948
Now go beat the final boss for a secret ending

>>720380589
>one quest that I think needs a bit reworking
Anon? This is a perfect game? You can't criticize it. Are you a troll?

>>720375142
I'm gonna go in with architect and toolspam that nigger to death too
Bombs, lil flying attack bugs, spike traps, all poision
Fuck that guy

>>720380458
>>720380501
Unless I am extremely blind, that does not work. You can't move the elevator without being inside it.

>>720380282
So this is why I wasn't triggering double jump sometimes, I guess that's why they're patching it out, but now that I know that, it does seem useful.

>>720380607
You will not disrespect my beautiful ant queen like that

>>720380550
Act 3 is aids because everything has a chance to do 2 masks of damage + suck your silk out
But (most of the) the bosses are great and it's a massive world revamp
honestly if Karmelita didn't block so much she'd be top tier but out of the heart bosses i gotta hand it to my nigga Khan for being the most honest out of the 3 while still being entertaining (stop bitching about the gauntlet)

>>720380607
>Carmelita
>Pinstress
>First Sinner
>Bad

>>720380697
Isn't there a button at the very top you either hit or stand on to call it up there?

>Been hearing that Trobbio was hard as fuck from people here
>Finally find him
>Easier than Widow

what the fuck are you complaining about niggas?
His only dangerous attack is the tornado, if you get hit by the balls or explosions you are retarded

>>720375909
That boss was piss easy

>>720380550
>basic enemies now have double health and spam void aids that sap your silk and do 2 damage
>75% of boss rewards are shit for your bellhome
>special crest is shit
>F L E A G A M E S
Act 3 is awful.

>>720380627
Yeah, don't forget to play a song if you see anything with strings

>>720380753
First sinner is not an Act 3 boss tho

>>720380765
Awoo!!!

>>720380753
>He did first sinner in act 3
Anon... Maybe that's why people like act 3? They think they did a boss, but it was an act 2 boss LMAO.

>>720380765
itchy

>>720380801
I thought you needed super jump bweh

>>720380765
AWOO

Holy shit the game was good, can't wait for the expansion(s)

>>720380307
>save and quit
>because they don't want to completely sell out to casuals like fromsoft
>never played bloodborne, don't know what that does.

I stuck for 1 hours with seconds Bestfly. I have hook and double jump. And It's still not enough of mobility against him
The least fun game in the whole game so far.

>>720380856
>I-it's fine because fuck c-casuals!
Nice argument you have there.

Genuinely really confused as to why bosses don’t drop shards or rosaries. Feels like it would solve everyone’s issues with progression feeling slow and the economy being stingy.

>melty after people pointed out his samefagging
It's too easy.

>>720380840
You can just use the side of the chest to make it.

>>720380756
Yes, but the 2 other ways into whiteward that do not use the elevator do not work so that doesn't get me anywhere.

>>720380307
>Homeward Bone equivalents
it does, hold up + needolin button
>Stake of Marika equivalents
get fucking good, there is probably 2 or 3 bad runbacks in the entire game and none of them are even long
>Blood Bullet equivalents
i don't speak zoomer

>>720379585
Beating seth's score in flea dodge was pure unfiltered pain.

>>720380002
That's not what complex means.

>we have been injecting the local flora and fauna with plasmium and there have been no noticeable consequences!
glad they redeemed wormways

First Sinner took several tries but I managed to kill her the first time I saw her phase 2 lol. Needed to swap from Reaper for the first time, had to go Wanderer because her openings were so quick.

>>720380924
Thanks for keeping this threads bumped, many more to come!

>>720380262
? its left of the bone bottom right? or am i missing something
you still need at least dash

>>720380850
If expansion there is (not a very risky "if") I hope it's not just pure combat content like it was for HK, that's not what I'm here for.

>>720381025
I'm guessing it would have to do with the city of steel? The name was mentioned and there is that kickstarter character who wears steel armor and didn't appear in the game yet

>>720380978
Can't you just get out of the pipe above you? Sorry it's been awhile since I did it so I might be misremembering, maybe you have to go all the way around through the eastern exit

>>720381007
Well what's your definition, she has a lot of abilities that you have to react to in different ways, that's complex to me

>exhaust organ flea
How?

>>720380856
>"Just waste your time lol"
>"Just waste your time lol"
>Sacrifice health to gain back tool usage

>>720381018
I don't really care, if you think I hate the game, that's not it. I do love the game, but it's not perfect.
If you think I'm the only guy complaining about valid things in this thread, well I guess you're going to think this is me for the next weeks 24/7.
I'll live rent free in your head.

where do i get the nail upgrades in act 3?

>>720380978
If you really want to know. When the elevator is at the bottom, call it up from the top. As the elevator is rising jump down and go in the hallway halfway down before the elevator rises. Now jump down since the elevator is above you

>>720381168
>he didn't get them in act 2
ngmi

>>720381125
Wait until Act 3, it drove me crazy too don't worry.

>harpoon into double jump, x30
>here's your path of pain bro
7 YEARS

>>720381168
Rescue every flea then there will be a flea festival, win all minigames to get the last oil

>>720381148
Make sure to bump the next one too, my fellow silksonger!

>>720381216
You are a fucking moron
>>720381125
Secret exit inside the Organ

>>720377676
you can taunt?

>>720381125
>>720381216
There's another door inside that takes you outside higher up

>>720381228
HAND DRAWN

>>720375410
Nyleth is fucking easy, just fucking bounce off her head and transfer to the the other side when she shits the touhou pattern or explosion out

there are literally no proven negative effects associated with injecting plasmium and its been cleared by the FDA

>>720381140
So architect? Looks like all your points have been addressed.

anyone else really like nyleth
battle felt like a cuphead boss with how unconventional she is to other bosses

I'm scared of Mount Fay...

>>720381324
>fully furnished
Those shelves looking pretty bare anon

>>720381372
No I hate her

>>720376237
Damn bratty ojou needs correction

>>720380926
I assume because
>Timmy-kun gets stuck on the Hunter's March or High Halls gauntlet for 2 hours
>little to no risk of losing his cocoon
>walks away with 1,200 rosaries, 2 areas into act 1
I'm on my second playthrough and I'm beginning to agree with how Team Cherry decided to distribute Rosaries in Act 1. I think it's good that it's a struggle.

>>720381181
Oh my fucking god. Now I feel extremely retarded. Thank you anon.

>>720381379
It's easy, just keep going. At least, it's bright so you can see everything.

>>720380607
Crust King Khann was only good boss for me.
The gauntlet was shit tho

>Think Mount Fay will be annoying.
It's actually fun, hard but fair.
>Think The Mist will be rather easy after finding out how to traverse.
It actually kicked my ass more times than I want to admit.

>>720381115
Let's give Karmelita 6 phases then, with each one being a rehash of the previous ones but faster and with one cuckshit on the floor forcing you to pogo spam.
Complex as hell and not obnoxious repetition at all.

>>720381324
>fully furnished
bro, your mementos?...

>0 Karmelita porn or even art
fags

>>720381286
Press right stick to Hornet.

>>720381324
Falling asleep to the sound of surgeon recording

>>720381286
on controller you click one of the sticks. It's useful for platforming since you can aggro flyers for pogo skips

>>720381447
>>720381389
I'm in act 2...

>>720381297
>>720381261
Legit had no idea, at least there's more than one way to get most fleas

>>720381389
>>720381447
BA-THUMP BA-THUMP BA-THUMP BA-THUMP BA-THUMP

>>720381336
Blood Bullets was a universal mechanic you can use with any weapon or build type in Bloodborne because giving up health (which didn't consume Silver Bullets unlike Architect which still consumes Shards by the way).

None of my points have been adressed and the game has the careful design of someone in crunch rushing to the finish line.

>>720381429
Isn't that exactly what I told you to do first, what did you think I meant

>>720381379
They established fire damage could be mitigated with a tool, so I expected something like that for cold damage
There's no tool like that, brave the cold

>>720381441
I just went slow on the mist and baited the wraiths. They get fucked up by down attacks when they charge.

How do I open that giant skull-like gate at the top of the Marrow? I KNOW there's something behind it but the Needolin isn't doing anything

Where was the simple key door I've forgotten about? There was the one in the docks, one in the high halls, and there's the cage for the guy in sinner's road, there was one more door but I can't remember where it was now that I have the key.

>>720381469
>>720381464
Neat
Thanks anons

>>720381523
Doesn't the flintstone thing help with ice damage?

>>720381551
i don't remember but you exit through the skull, not go into

you genuinely didn't beat the game if you had to remove hornet's uniqueness and make her fight like the knight in order to play

>>720381585
Fucking hell

where does this thing want me to go? I've been looking around and can't find anything, NPCs don't say anything about it either
I thought it was the inn but no luck

>>720377196
This is the correct way to do the runback.

silksong is very bloodborne coded

>>720381551
You open it from the other side, it's tied to a quest the one for gathering the purple bugs in the shellwood, so don't worry about it.

FUCK BEASTFLY
FUCK BEASTFLY
FUCK BESATFLY

>>720381512
You can't expect to have people agree with valid criticism in this thread. The first guy literally told you to use the speedrunners' tech (AKA save and quit) to have your makeshift homeward bone so...
Either that makes you a casual or a troll to them. Or both.

>trobbio is easier than widow
You people are insane. How the hell are you having trouble with widow she's like the second easiest fight in the game. Are you guys trolling?

just lost 2000 beads, AMA

>>720381442
It's not completely a rehash, the arena and her teleporting changes too so it also changes how you have to interact with her and stuff like the orbs, like she's significantly easier to hit in her first phases compared to the middle one, I'm not saying it's necessarily a better fight but I still consider it more complex

>>720381616
Stay mad

>>720381643
Craw HQ, they got a steel door inside their house, bottom right

>>720381664
>>720381592
Ahhh, gotcha. I'll just come back later then

>>720381643
the room with craw gauntlet, bottom floor with all the rosaries that used to hang at the top
knock on the door

>>720381643
There is a door inside the place you activated the bounce balls

>>720381643
Where's the home for craws? Just ignore the thing about a wheel, I don't know why it's in there.

>>720381692
Why didn't you have a silkworm in hand?

>>720381420
I’m not talking about gauntlets, I’m talking about full on bosses. Why don’t they drop anything? Bosses dropped a shitload of geo in Hollow Knight.

>>720381685
Trobbio is annoying as his fight has too much visual noise

>>720381616
I'm glad I beat the game going architect and letting cogflies beat bosses for me.

>>720381441
What the fuck are people doing in the Mist to get filtered?
I cleared it first try after figuring out the gimmick.

>>720381573
wormways

>secret gauntlet room in far fields with a bunch of aerial enemies above the lava
cant wait to get a whole one shard bundle or something for this. judging by all the platforming stuff i saw on the way down, the lava is gonna chase me out too

>>720381762
Sorry, my mind was elsewhere. Yeah, relevant bosses should drop rosaries.

What do?

>>720381692
Did you really need them for anything if you accumulated that much?

>>720380418
>>720380489
Where? I've done multiple laps around whiteward and can't find shit

>>720380786
you're forgetting the ____fun____ you get out of fighting bosses
same with fleagames

>remember that wormways is a thing in act 3
>oh

>>720381685
the diagonal bells and their bouncing messed with my brain man

Mist's ghosts should have had input reading and homing, the current state is not very silksong-like

The samefagging accusation really pissed him off.

>>720381816
Nothing yet.
You'll come out from the other side waaay later

>>720381797
Are you sure? There was a pin guitar door there, you aren't mixing them up?

>>720381694
The only thing the teleport really does is make her more annoying to chase down and sometimes randomly slam you for 2 because she appears directly on top of you. The later phases are decimated by cogflies since they just track to her.

>>720381719
>>720381723
>>720381731
>>720381751
gotcha, thanks bugbros, I completely forgot about that place, I genuinely thought the moors were the bird's house

Go to hell!
Man, why did this fight feel so rng?

>>720381879
what enemies do you guys keep bitching about having "input reading"? you mean the flying enemies that back off if you approach them?

>be me
>decide to do songclave delivery
>choose path and clear it out working backwards
>songclave > archives > trobbio's gooncave > elevator to underworks > mist thicket > down the windmill > across to bellhart
>clear out enemies using wisp lantern and robitbugfrens
>path is actually quite easy, with only one real danger area in the thicket, as the spiders respawn
>do delivery with no troubles
>decide to do the courier's rasher next
>same exact path, except also clear out the top long corridor and room above the dinner hall
>forget to fast travel to bellhart. Not sure if fast travel resets the enemies or not, pretty sure it doesn't but idk
>get all the way to greymoor
>take a slight detour to get the vintage nectar
>think that because I'm paying for it, he'll just give it to me
>he tells me to grab it myself from the cellar
>uuuuhhhhhhh
>have a bad feeling about this
>head down
>only rats. Carefully take them out
>because of clearing the whole path im at half health and out of tools
>ambushed by antniggers
>in panic I immediately fuck up and get killed
>thankfully the game puts you back at that bench even though I didnt sit on it
>clear the arena and get the vinatge, which was the last one I needed
>have to clear the whole fucking path AGAIN
>this is like the 4th time I'm running this
>finally do the courier's rasher, only messing up once in the thicket by being retarded at platforming (tried to harpoon with no silk)
>on the second try deliver it with 25% or something to spare
It was actually alot easier than I thought it was, though, only thanks to learning about the thicket from an anon here. I knew there had to be an area in the middle there, but Idk if I ever would have found it. It was the one location that was kinda spoiled for me. Idk if there would have been anything to point me there anyways. Kinda a weird place. Automatically you get a map and it's only like 3 rooms.A shame cause it's very unique and I would have like to see it as a full on biome

>>720380786
>75% of boss rewards are shit for your bellhome
One is outright ruining your home, kek.

>>720381857
Nuu hints at something being there just in case you don't check it out of your own initiative.

>>720381020
Where do you think you need the dash at? You don't. You can get across the gap with a good jump and maybe an enemy bounce, but I don't think you even need that. Then you key into Wormways and go through the path leading down which spits you out right at the chapel. No dash required.

>>720381942
>zero tools used
>likely zero skills used too

>>720381838
right after the sausage sentinels by the cauldron, fake ceiling where light is coming from

>>720381685
Trobbio is pretty easy, you just need to jump fast to avoid his tornados that sometimes come at bad times, but everything else is extremely easy to dodge.

>>720381879
I swear they absolutely have different timings each attack.

>>720381372
She's neat, I just think that she's too easy and her area is a disappointment. I do like that the two triads in Acts 2 and 3 each have a different gameplay focus:
>whispering vaults is mostly exploration, clockwork core is mostly platforming, high halls is mostly combat
>Karmelita is a basic 1v1 boss, Nyleth is a gimmick boss, and Khann is an elongated gauntlet boss
>also Lost Verdania is just pure exploration and puzzle-solving, which is welcome at that point in the game

>>720381857
Yuuuup
I have a feeling this shit is in fact a problem of the same magnitude Radiance and Grandma are
Wouldn't be surprised if dealing with this brand new cancer is the topic of a DLC

>>720381918
We were talking about Radiance from the first game not Lace, I don't think her arena changes much other than the wave attacks which are cool but come to think of it are very similar to the giant laser beams Radiance has

>>720381694
No shit it's easier to hit on the first stages, there's no cuckshit on the floor forcing you to waste time pogoing.
A boss fight that only requires dash, double jump, walk, spells and pogo is objectively less complex than a fight that requires all of the above plus sprint, hook and tools.
Sometimes I think the nostalgia goggles are too tight. I re-beat HK days prior to SS release and the gap between both games is huge.

>>720381909
Yes. You can skip over it once you get abilities so you dont need to use a key but it is in that region

>>720382008
I spammed Thread Storm. Both on minions and Beastfly. And I'm out of sharts

>>720382084
Thanks, I guess I'll slog back over there for another look around.

>Whiteward is the Research Hall from Bloodborne
>Plasmium returns and we see why the Pale King made it taboo to use as it mutates bugs and gives them regeneration while making them utterly hostile
I like it, very kino

>>720382040
>Lost Verdania is just pure exploration and puzzle-solving
When you put it like that, it seems like it's a big things, but the zone takes like 5-10mn to do (not counting the bosses)

>>720381857
>introduce lifeblood as some weird alien substance that is beneficial but unnatural
>have some gigantic ass monster thing hinting at yet another void/light type element
>akshually it's science in SS

Honestly they ruined it

>>720381973
Congratulations, although clearing out the enemies is the coward's path

>>720382131
>>720382048
Lifeblood is literally airborne cancer

>>720382131
It also helpfully explains why the little guy can take so much of it safely and hornet can't, nine units inflicts cancer, void gonna void.

>>720382186
>akshually it's science in SS
No? Did you even pay attention?

>>720382186
>akshually it's science in SS
You guys are so fucking retarded it's unreal.

>>720382186
That guy is clearly a crackpot that transplanted a non-native species with no care as to the consequences of his actions or understanding of what he's done

>>720382186
you might be retarded son

>>720382261
>You guys are so fucking retarded
Yeah? What're you gonna do about it?

>>720382186
He literally says he found a specimen and decided to spread it in wormways to harvest lifeblood (plasmium) from the plants later, are you reading diagonally or something

>>720382186
You dumb? The scientists are fucking around with it they didn't make it. It even backfires spectacularly in act 3 and corrupts the entire wormways.

>>720382080
Whatever, I'm not going to change your mind on this and I don't want to argue over it forever, different people have different ideas of what they consider complex, for what it's worth I don't think sprint, hook or tools were required for Lace nor spells for Radiance, though you can probably argue that Lace is easier to get the most from your full toolset while Radiance is more dependant on RNG what with all the teleporting

>>720381967
I didn't say any shit like that lmao I just said ghosts should have that
Anyway, most flying units back off if you go near
drillfly predicts jumping and fully calculates ricochet (ironically you can just stand still and not get hit because of that)
Ghillie fucker in Bilewater and most projectile-throwers predict your movement (other than some like ninja crow that shoot at fixed angles)

I wish more things counted towards 100% completion...

The lucky bro in the blasted sands was dead when I went to see him again in Act 2 and I picked up his magnet dice. Is this like dark souls where if I don't bring him the Shinbone of Grunklefuck the Ambivalent before talking to Old Fungo Bumshits and pogoing 10 times off Lil Tummytins, all the NPCs eventually die?

>>720382020
holy shit thank you that was driving me nuts

I fought the first sinner yesterday
Damn what a fun fight bros
>fast pace as fuck
>especially with wanderer, having not properly used it before in bosses, being a reapershitter or hunterchad
>there are times you can parry each of her strikes as she's running across the floor swiping
>the parry skill feels so good to pull off on her
>her needle attacks are fun to dodge and look cool
>her teleporting around is actually fun because it's never too far away and you can always hit her immediately again
>you can interrupt her own bind and prevent her from healing
>I was running a bindbuild with faster and stronger healing, there were times when I started my bind AFTER she did hers and I still finished before her and had time to strike her out of it
Might be one if, if not the, best boss in the game that I've encountered so far

>beast is so cucked i have to dedicate a tool slot to plasmium just so i can heal when platforming
just 1 blue slot team cherry, that's all i ask

>>720381967
i swear there is the same kind of logic that souls games have, aka whenever you press the heal button within the enemy proximity it makes them more aggressive

>>720382186
Trolls don't even bother fact checking what they're writing.

>>720382186
He's called an alchemist for a reason, what he did is pure retardation, not science

>>720382213
>spoiler
Uh what? I hadn't tried that yet

>use plasmium with venom
>fart a cloud of gas after 5 secs of usage
t-thanks...

>>720382467
Nah, I think that anon is just retarded.

>>720375369
>that rest bench

Literally HOW?

>>720382317
>>720382317
>>720382317

>>720382396
sorta

Do you get anything from defeating Shakra, and does her fight stay available in act 3? She's pretty hard so I'm giving up for now.

>>720382506
It's very cool and grants a better hiveblood effect

Seriously how did you guy get the hornet capture section of the game? How did I miss it? I went to the slab before I got the apostate key and explored everywhere I could, didn't find any place to get captured. The slab was the last location I cleared out. I even did ducks before...

>>720382536
Flea caravan.

>>720382550
no reward other than an enemy log entry that doesn't count towards 100%, just for fun

>>720382506
The second hornet gets a ninth unit of lifeblood she screams, the screen flashes blue, she loses all the extra units of lifeblood health and her normal HP masks are replaced with hiveblood-type regenerating masks, except it's the whole meter instead of the last lost health. This lasts unit you fast travel or use a bench.

>>720382550
journal entry and no

>>720382604
>Met guy with a bell/cage
>he used some move
>kidnapped
I didn't plan it, it just happened, I got kidnapped in the lower bilewater.

>>720382550
if you beat her twice she gives you the legendary fish map and the fishing pole

>>720382604
I'm in act 3 and also never got kidnapped. I think I know the exact enemy that does it too but he never respawned after I killed him twice and its a specific attack you have to get hit by that is easy to dodge.

>>720382186
>Average HK fan literacy

>>720381857
Yeah this kingdom is fucked. Just take your mesugaki gf and get away

>>720382901
Take Sherma, the Bell Beast and her kids, Zaza and the Flea Caravan as well.

Last Judge more like First Faggot

>>720382857
>>720382716
Damn that's a shame
I wanted naked horney

Big thanks to the anon who said you can cheese the fire pogo boss with voltvessels. Instantly killed him in phase 2 by stacking a few of them.

>>720383070
oh so you don't actually know that she has a moveset without her nail

>>720383148
most based subweapon in vidya
>hit it by accident
>angle changes
keeno

I finally found moorwing. I heard about him being super tough but I already cleared out half the citadel and he randomly showed up right before the flea caravan screen in greymoor. I don’t know what I did to trigger the fight but he was easy and I one tried him

>>720383358
Yeah, he was really easy. Some people are so confidently bad, they'll think you're lying if you beat him on your first try. I also beat him on my first try

>>720383358
>cleared out half the citadel
>he was easy
Maybe there is a link between these two things?

>>720383547
NTA but I cleared it first try while still exploring in act 1
https://files.catbox.moe/offsb7.mp4

>>720383649
Good job, here's a medal just for you:

>>720383547
If they wanted me to fight him in act 1 then he should have been there when I first got to greymoor. Developer issue

They don't seriously expect me to make my way back down, right? I don't see any shortcuts or anything. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't quit and reload at the bench.

>>720383819
If you reload it leaves you right there, buddy.

I am so fucking sick of gauntlets
There are so many guys I've put pins on to come back to later now. Groal, the one in high halls, The whiteward guy, The deepdocks brothers, I keep running into bosses gated behind gauntlet slop that I have no interest in attempting them again until I'm as OP as possible. Broodmother was total bullshit too and some others probably there's too many to count

I just fought the first sinner and phantom and those were such amazing bosses, even if there were only quarter as many bosses and they were all of that quality I'd enjoy the game much more. First Sinner was mega kino

I think most the complaints I've seen about the game are retarded, I like that it makes you struggle for money and has a punishing early game, but there are TOO MANY GAUNTLETS

>>720383649
watching this makes me realize how hard he gets cucked by simply standing under him

>>720383951
>Broodmother was total bullshit too
I beat her first try. She was really easy and only has like 3 moves, if that

>>720383924
So it does, fellow save scummer. But at least It restored my health. The way down should be doable.

>>720383993
flying enemy moment

>>720384010
Yeah my problem isn't broodmother herself it's the fact she's in a gauntlet, it's just repetitive cancer. I didn't mind at first but late in the game they're still pulling the one trick fucking over and over again

>>720383951
>that I have no interest in attempting them again until I'm as OP as possible.
have you considered the architect charm

>>720379760
Because anyone playing this game to be fair exists in one of those two states
For example, if you'd asked me yesterday as I was having a baller time against cogwork dancers? Best game of all time
Today, as I finally brought myself to plunging in Bilewater and can feel my seethe levels rise with every fucking screen? I want to nuke Australia.

>>720384185
The enemies in her gauntlet are incredibly easy to kill