Thread 723674202

Bro, 15k likes. We're never ever getting a good Pokemon game

>>723674202 (OP)
yeah but i flat out could not get past the technical problems. they are a UX nightmare

>>723674202 (OP)
>If you get through the bugs it's great
>Aping mechanics already done 20 years prior makes them good

>>723674279
Notice how it doesn't actually say "it's great." The actual quote is "some of the most interesting and fun experiences in all the franchise." The comparison is that they're better than the older games, not that they're necessarily great or even good on their own.

>>723675323
great is a meaningless buzzword

>>723674202 (OP)
LMFAOOOOO Pokefags can not be real

>>723674202 (OP)
>If you get past all of the problems, you can gaslight yourself into believing you're having fun

You're a grown ass adult. Stop giving a fuck about Pokemon. Stop giving money to Nintendo. It's a game for 12 year olds. It's not supposed to be good nor is it for you. It's a stupid concept and a stupid series of games that belongs in the past. It cannot make the transition to 3D because the franchise is a joke.

>>723677019
they just need to make a good JRPG
that's fucking all they need to do, other studios with properties that no one gives a fuck about do it, why can't the #1 worldwide brand do it

>>723677019
>its for 12 year olds
Like all Nintendo games?

>>723674202 (OP)
He's not wrong though. The irony about 99% of all the complainers is that they don't play video games in the first place. Or they grift to make money out of retards and then use said money to buy Nintendo anyways kek

>>723677487
Nah I play video games which is why I wish Game Freak could make good ones

>>723674202 (OP)
Funny how pokemon games got the graphics, but lost their soul.

>>723677019
/thread
If you want actually good Pokemon PLAY SMT V

>>723674202 (OP)
>if you get pass through the

HALLO SAAAAAAAARS

>>723674202 (OP)
SV was good and you don't care about pokemon if you think otherwise. And that's ok. You don't have to care.
But understand that for the people who do care, >MUH GRAFIX is not a compelling argument.

scarlet/violet is easily the most enjoyable mainline gen on quality of life features alone
even with
>dogshit art direction
>terrible performance
>horrendous victory road
>no end game
>ugly trainer customization options
they are still better
nobody cares about any gen with a gimmick that is usable by 1% of pokemon
and if you mention something from before physical special split then you should go back to the stone age enjoy your fucking hms buddy you'll need them considering the learnpools from those gens

debt collectors are your friends

>>723674202 (OP)
Um, where is Sword & Shield?

>>723674202 (OP)
I mean, not wrong.
SV was the most fun I've had with the franchise since HGSS.

>>723674202 (OP)
Does the Switch 2 version of ZA have any technical problems?

>>723674202 (OP)
>MUH GRAPHICS
I don't care.
>B-BUT
Don't. Shut up.
>RRREEEEEEE
Bought another copy. Cry :)

>>723674202 (OP)
>If you can get past the technical and graphical problems

If you have to say that, It probably means those games are terrible, technically and graphically.

If a game has impressive gameplay but the graphics actually hurt my eyes I'm not going to play it. Simple as

>>723674202 (OP)
>botted likes

It's the Number One game in the UK by the way ;)

>>723674202 (OP)
SV and PLZA are so trash

>>723674202 (OP)
If your favorite pokemon game is between gen 3 and gen 7 (inclusive), you killed the franchise.

>>723674202 (OP)
The fuck

Genwunners are so right it's not even funny

Arceus is actually somewhat okay.
The lack of bloat mechanics like Abilities/Items and you just being some kid on your own in the wilderness is the closest the franchise gets to feeling like a modern day Pokemon Red. You actually can feel like you're exploring on your own and the world generally feels quite threatening.

The issue is it's not THE game and Gamefreak will never make it because they budgetcuck every project. God fucking knows where the money goes.

>>723674202 (OP)
>SV is the first true open world game with free progression
>Legends Arceus is a huge change to the formula, focusing more on pokedex completion than the typical pokemon adventure
>ZA flips the script again by focusing on battles again, even featuring a new battle system for the first time ever
He's not wrong. It is the most interesting era. It's the most experimentation Game Freak has ever done.

Game Freak loves going backwards even when they have a decent thing going

This thread has convinced me to buy the game. Thank you /v/.

>>723680664

The actual focus should be on exploration and adventuring, with mechanics focused AROUND that.
Pokemon at its core was basically just an alternate iteration of Earthbound, you're a dumbshit kid thrown out of the house at Age 10 and only magic dinosaurs can you protect you from the harassment of bats, ghosts and walking poisonous plants.
It's a ludicrous fairytale concept but with a modern theme.

Gamefreak is desperate to focus on anything but the thing that requires effort and money, and actually represents what the GAME part of Pokemon always was.

>>723680858
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>723680664
too bad both sucks hot ass

>>723680736
I think being a $70 title meant to sell the Switch 2 is a slight handicap for ZA. The lack of polish is outright unacceptable for a $70 flagship title. lol we both posted in the wrong thread

>>723679189
Well? Anyone?

>>723681094
I've seen some crashes happen on Switch 2 on Twatter

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokemon fans are hilarious, even now that you can just walk around in the middle of battles is still the most basic shit ever made but somehow they act like the franchise discovered gold

Pokemon is the franchise that taught me that Fun is indeed a buzzword, people have yet to bring up good things that made the latest pokemon games good at all when shit is so assbackwards as a whole.
Battling most certainly can't be that fun when attack animations look like shit unless you're the 1% shillmon that gets good animations (i,e. Cinderace's Pyro Ball)
Exploration is doubtful because the big areas are just big craters full of grass that are just segmented hubs akin to what monster hunter did way back, except somehow more bland
Pokedex collection 100% cannot be it because ever since national dex got axed, the ''catch them all'' slogan no longer applies
And artstyle is a hard pill to swallow because SS feels like the last game where the default player character, NPC trainer, Gym Leaders, Elite Four and Champion had great cohesive designs while SV's only good design is the rival while everything else looks like varying degrees of ugly angrogynous shit like that period of time Pokemon GO made the female models look so bad it caused a major uproar of transgenders wanting it to be reversed

And truth nuke but if the only reason to care about Pokemon is for memes (recent example: MegaStarmie's goofass design and animations) and porn (the thousands of Meowscarada pics on esix outnumber every other gen 9 as the only standout thing from SV) then why are you buying pokemon shit when making silly pokemon memes and downloading + jorking it to pokeporn is FREE

>>723682368
Also another note about the artstyle that is more apparent with LZA, how can you justify Pokemon's shitty graphics when they don't even adhere to the artstyle?
The fact this stupid meme edit does not feel out of place is a very damning thing to see, as shitty and infamous the N64 textured sword & shield tree was, the rest of the game at least looked like a pokemon game, LZA feels like an asset flip and that is just unjustifiable.

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokemon fans are all insane and will support literally anything. Az literally has barely half-finished textures and buildings that don't even have windows but just a terrible-looking low-poly texture that's supposed to be of a window or something, of some kind.

>>723674202 (OP)
Just pirated the games. I want my hours spent refunded. Dogshit trash frfr. Romhacks are more fun than this shit.

>>723682368
>Gwafix Gwafix Gawfix Natdex Gwafix
Hilarious, my favorite though is "animations bad therefore battles not fun"

>>723683325
I'm not a grafx hoe, but enough is enough. Pokefreak can afford to make their games look nice. They don't have to act like a literal poorfag indie company anymore. And they can also afford to actually finish them and not release them in an obviously half-finished state.

>>723683325
>"animations bad therefore battles not fun"
Yes this matters a lot, ever heard about Weapon Feedback?
Unless you have rock bottom standards, which i don't have, it does not matter how important or effective an attack can be, if it looks like shit, all it does is make battles look unfun and joyless that it makes basic flash animations that Pokemon Showdown look good because at least in that shit, you can justify it by saying it's a free browser game made for pure pvp's, but Pokemon games are not free browser games and as such they need to be held at a higher standard.

>>723683609
>I'm not a gwafix fag, but the gwafix!

>>723683691
>La la la i can't hear you!!
Have fun with your charizard firing beams from his forehead, anybody with common sense should not buy pokemon because it's clear there's nothing left if pokefags cannot Show actual positives.

>>723674202 (OP)
this is some grade S cope

>>723674202 (OP)
Palworld 2 will be here soon.

>>723674202 (OP)
>if you ignore all of the problems then the game's good!

>>723674202 (OP)
What technical problems does Arceus have?

And isn’t it still the best looking Pokémon game?

>>723684139
PLA has shitty textures in some places which is apparently one of the highest weighted factors in any gamer's scoring system

They don't play anything else

>>723674202 (OP)
>The most interesting and fun experiences of all the franchise

Tell me you haven't played Pokemon Rangers without saying it directly.

>>723674202 (OP)
>this entire image
are poketroons even human?

>>723680935
>The actual focus should be on exploration and adventuring, with mechanics focused AROUND that
Which the newer games are doing. Meanwhile in le ebin peak of the series you get dogshit like this

>>723684465
Pokemon ZA is actually a really good base for a new Ranger's game

>>723674202 (OP)
only PLA had decent ideas hidden underneath the incompetence and lack of polish, and they didn't iterate on it instead making the pile of fucking trash that was SV and the cancer abortion that is PLZA

>>723674202 (OP)
It's more complicated than that, but I know you just want to be inflammatory so I'll just tell you to kill yourself.

>>723674202 (OP)
Unironic truth nuke. I'm surprised people are still whining about graphic/performance when those were never the point of nintendo games. You want those, get Sony games. Simple as.

>>723680306
Didn't the leak prove genwunners right about everything?

>>723684628
>Which the newer games are doing.
???
PLA and SV having sandboxes full of nothing is a far bigger offense than something locked behind story progression

>me playing PLZA reading all the fake outrage
Why do people make up shit to hate about the game instead of legitimate gripes like the 90 minutes of hand holding to start the game and the bullshit 1,000 battles research task? It's a solid 8.5 game bookended by a bunch of bullshit.

>>723689632
>nearly 2 hour long tutorial
>grindy time-wasting checklist
I dunno, doesn’t sound like much of a good game to me

>>723689526
>pokemon is nothing
>items is nothing
>trainers is nothing
what the fuck do you even play pokemon for? jerking off to hallways with zubat random encounters?

>>723674202 (OP)
People that shill Arceus are retarded, right? Fucking game is a boring catching simulator. Ugly, empty wastelands full of nothing. Caverns turned into single room corridors. Ugly ass new regional Pokemon. Viscerally ugly n64-tier world. Same mainline combat but even more dumbed down.
Absolute shit game

>>723677019
This. Just play digimon or SMT.

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokemon has been okay since gen 4
bad since gen 5
shit since gen 6
How the fuck have you been coping for a good game all this time?
ESPECIALLY when we know gen 10 in set in SEA, is going to be procedural generated slop with this being your main goal for the game?

>>723675680
Just like comparing things to shitter things.
>Everything is more interesting that shit, wow.
>5 billion people agree that eating food is better than eating shit. India disagreed
>not having to tuberculosis is better than having tuberculosis
It's all meaningless trash.
The entire fucking post is literally just saying "eh its better than the old ones" not that it's good in any way at all.

>>723684128
A handful of poor textures and rare bugs are not major issues.

jeez it didn't take long before butthurt pokenigs start talking about "He's right you know" or "at least it has" they literally have nothing but nothing burgers

>>723691205
5 was the peak. 9 was better than 6, 7, and 8. Fuck off, you haven't even played any of the games you're pretending to be an authority on.

>>723690692
I don't get it. You had all this shit in the 2d games, and nearly every screen had a point of interest. Walking between these took a few seconds. Why even make the games 3D if all you're doing is taking the stuff that was there already, and spreading it thinly across an incredibly amateur 3d open world. Pokemon was never groundbreaking in terms of graphics, but over the past 30 years they've gone from respectable to serviceable to being so bad they detract from the experience. Having 3d graphics this shitty is like attempting a difficult ice skating routine and falling on your ass repeatedly. No, trying to do something harder does not excuse sucking dick at it when you're being judged for it.

>>723691521
3 games in a row with noticeable bugs pure insanity and also mediocre gameplay not to mention half the maps were pure dog shit besides the dlc one for SV all of them were pure dog shit

>>723691612
>5 was peak
No it wasn't. You were a child when you played it, there was no sense of exploration and it was a railroaded experience.
>9 was better than 6, 7, and 8
We're not defending 5FPS assets in the background, poor texture tiling, being barely able to hold 30FPS on the platform it was designed to run on and textures on-par with N64 games as well as some of the fucking ugliest NPCs the series has produced set in a generic open overworld. Absolutely fucking kill yourself you retarded slop-eating faggot.

>>723687225
what i hear
>all games must look like ass and have the most mediocre gameplay with barely any work put into it

starting to believe these people are on the same level as kids who play steal a brainrot on roblox

>>723691752
>You had all this shit in the 2d games
With dogshit exploration and shitty random encounters? Yeah, true.

>>723674202 (OP)
>the games are good if you ignore it looking like an N64 game and game breaking bugs everywhere

>>723692069
nta but i would rather this than a tutorial that is like 3 hours long just to play the game

>>723682619
>think this is someone recreating Pokemon assets in Gmod
>it's actually just editing the Gmod UI into PLZA
What's funny is that this isn't even a "haha Switch bad" thing since I played Wonder and the MP remaster on a borrowed Switch Lite and both games looked infinitely better and more consistently better because both knew the limitations and quirks of the system and worked around that like devs are supposed to do.

>>723684628
>spec-limited handhelds with no RAM and no storage limit a game made by a C-tier company, causing them to have to hamfist a few roadblocks here and there
>despite the limitations, most dungeons/caves are whole-ass sprawling environments with multiple floors and with some secrets to find
vs
>that same company suddenly gaining 100x the specs and doing jack shit with it, leading to several games in a row where there's some half-assed open world slapped into worlds where the biggest dungeons/caves are like 3 hallways and an exit
Still maddening the only decent Pokemon game on either Switch is LGPE, and that's held back by the Pokemon Go shit slapped in to cash in on a trend.
PLA's okay.

>>723691205
>>723691612
For me, 5 was fine, didn't play 6, and 7 was solid despite the tiny map (and piss-easy difficulty with every trainer having like 1 Pokemon). It's really just the Switch games that ended up being irredeemably ass.
People meme about "oh no stop whining abotu the dexscut lol" but it really was shocking that the same gen that cut the dex ended up having some of the most cut content in general, AND having the worst performance, fewest animations, one of the worst gen gimmicks, the emptiest map, the smallest dungeons/caves, one of the worst regional dexes, the highest price and having overpriced DLC
Gen 9 was far less awful than 8, but that's not much of a hurdle.
The moldier this franchise gets, the more I realize that the main reason normalfags even buy them is for the sovlful starter intros each game gets.

>>723674202 (OP)
The problem is it took them this fucking long to try

>>723677019
/thread
there are plenty of developers out there more worthy of your money

>>723692279
>spec-limited handhelds with no RAM and no storage limit a game made by a C-tier company, causing them to have to hamfist a few roadblocks here and there
Glad we agree Gen 5 is worse.

>>723692213
>I’d rather have a 20 hour tutorial than a 3 hour tutorial

>>723679094
explain why quality of life features make the games better

I enjoyed Scarlet greatly (on PC)(at 60fps)(modded)
Arceus, not so much

>>723693042
Opposite for me. I thought Arceus was decently fun albeit very rough and needing much more content and polish. Scarlet/Violet just have nothing redeemable about them at all.

the problem of the game having bad graphics on a technical level is not a problem at all, old school visuals are kino

the art direction being pretty terrible especially for characters and mons is however unforgiveable

it would still be shit with ps5 graphics

>>723692279
>>723692279
>>723692279
Wait is let’s go Pikachu actually good?
I haven’t played it cause I already played
Red and FireRed
Like isn’t it the same

>>723692740
>Interaction =/= tutorial
but anyways
20-hour tutorials are only valid if the game is an in-depth mechanical game like scrap mechanic or one of those build a thing simulator games like kerbal space program

>>723674202 (OP)
pokespicjeets deserve shit slop

arceus WAS fun

>>723693795
I don't fucking get it
Arceus was really fucking good which is why it made me hype about ZA in the first place

literally just make Arceus again but with different visuals and some new features again how fucking hard could it be

>>723674202 (OP)
>if you get pass through the
I am not surprised a brownoid is still addicted to pokemon

>>723693841
the B team made it(supposedly), and I think GF saw how much people liked its departure from the usual game style and made everything different so nobody could go back and compare the 2

Don't care, Pokemon is for us Trans folk!

>>723694012
>seizure inducing area
how was this allowed in the final product literally looks like it was meant to torture the eyes

>>723693354
LGPE is a weird one. (I hope I remember everything clearly here.)
On the one hand, it's meant to honor and highlight the beginnings of the franchise, to put big emphasis on Pikachu and Eevee and interactions with them, honoring two staples of gen 1 and the franchise as a whole, and the whole thing looks and feels like it was hand-made rather than just shitting garbage out to meet a deadline. It's based on Pokemon Yellow, specifically, bringing back Jessie and James, and fucking GREEN for some reason. Any(?) Pokemon can follow you, they all get custom animations+speeds, and the riding animations are all custom too (people meme about the Snorlax one.)

On the other hand, it was made when Pokemon Go was huge, so wild "battles" are literally literally just Pokemon Go's catching minigame and the only actual fights are trainers and gyms. It makes catching shinies trivial, simplifies a lot of shit, doesn't add that much content over the original games, and then there's that memeworthy shit where they added new moves to the Pikachu/Eevee with silly baby names like Baddy Bad and Sparkly Swirl so they have coverage.
Plus, like, it's not like gen 1 was a HUGE game or anything.

I never got the hype for Arceus, way too many trite dialogues and cutscenes and the gameplay is boring at best and cringe at worst (rolling and throwing shit at legendaries). SV was so much more fun despite being the more traditional game. It might look ugly but I never encountered any of these oh so terrible bugs that people love to ramble about which makes it obvious to me that it was just the product of someone fooling around with the leaked version and then everyone ate it up just like that.

>>723694331
sounds like youre a mangina

>>723674202 (OP)
Good thing we have Palworld.

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokemon fans don't play other games.

>>723674202 (OP)
>never ever getting a good Pokemon game
Palworld is right there

>>723678019
SMT is unironically too mechanically simple and it's way too easy to make a broken demon.

>>723694448
>>723694497
Look at him, he's obsessed with getting the leg up on pokemon.

>>723682619
>The fact this stupid meme edit does not feel out of place
Somebody's going to need to explain to you the difference between facts and delusions.

>game is open world
>try to explore said world openly
>phone appears
>Noooo you can't do that you have to talk to a massive faggot first noooo
fuck you game freak, let me explore.

>>723674202 (OP)
Yup

You guys are just going to have to do it yourselves. I don't know how how your going to do that since even pal world is getting sued.

>>723694410
no because it's almost on the same level of a map only consisting of two primary bright colors like bright red and dark red its eye straining i don't see how anyone could probably stay in that area any longer than 5 minutes without getting eye strain also this doesn't look any better and the fact you had to cherry pick to try to make this game look good is telling

honestly wouldn't had said anything if they had dimmed down the yellow or orange sand a bit

>>723694515
>SMT is unironically too mechanically simple and it's way too easy to make a broken demon.
Is there any hard turn based game ? I'm asking genuinely because I've been playing nothing but turn based this last month and they really are piss easy once you pass the tutorial phase

>>723694854
Play Pokemon romhacks

>>723692213
Dont reply to yawnfag

>>723694585
>leg up
and it's a bunch of autistic man children buying the game and making an excuse for every criticism thrown at gamefreak

>>723674202 (OP)
>tertiary post twitter and think he's a gamer
every time.

>>723694771
That's only the first 30 mins of the game

>>723694953
the irony of this post

>>723695024
I don't care. There's a pokeball laying on the ground, let me get it.

>>723678019
>actually good
>SMT V

>>723694932
>and it's a bunch of autistic man children buying the game and making an excuse for every criticism thrown at pocketpair
There, now it's accurate.

>>723674202 (OP)
Arceus is better than the other two

>People here thinking people are furious about graphics when a lot of Japanese are all like "Cute pokes" and "Cute girls"
https://x.com/Graena262/status/1979831660234575890

>>723695381
I'm surprised that there are still people here who think n that people care about hyper realistic AAA graphics in this day and age.

>>723695381
Nips also think spending thousands on a cute character in a gacha game is normal
That said, it's nice they fixed the character customization, clothing options in SV were atrocious

>>723694798
textbook case of vagina syndrome. Im afraid its terminal

>>723695565
Nobody wants hyper realistic graphics in Pokemon, you dishonest faggot

>>723695381
Nigga Japanese people would die if they criticize anything. This is a whole cultural thing there around being too nice and polite.
>>723695565
>I'm surprised that there are still people here who think n that people care about hyper realistic AAA graphics in this day and age.
Strawman.
Nobody is asking for that , people are asking for a beautiful looking game a decent art direction and what we got is jpg buildings that don't even connect properly on the edges , one boring samey looking city because catching pokemon on asphalt is what everyone wants to do and some voice acting here and there.

>>723695657
And yet that's all you see when people cry about the graphics.
That or they try to compare it to a game with worse graphics thinking they'll get people mad.

>>723695337
You can't even battle other players in Arceus

>>723695721
>Japanese people would die if they criticize anything. This is a whole cultural thing there around being too nice and polite.
Criticism isn't about being nice or mean anon that's why nips tend to be more critical rather than less.

>>723674202 (OP)
This is a joke right? One tiny shitty "city" is more fun the exploring full regions?

>>723695721
Japanese business owners will call police if you give them a low enough google review

>>723695813
The idea of scale is a foreign concept to you, isn't it.

>>723695736
>And yet that's all you see when people cry about the graphics.
>That or they try to compare it to a game with worse graphics thinking they'll get people mad.
Because the game genuinely looks ugly, the world looks boring and ugly. Even the people who gave the game 8 and 9 said that there's no sense of exploration and nothing particularly nice to look at if you decide to relax for a moment. Arceus at least had some kind of aesthetic to it , a certain world, culture, clothes regardless of how low quality it looked sometimes.
In ZA you not going see anything besides awful looking buildings and asphalt

>>723695657
>>723695721
You know we have threads and threads of people saying they want pokemon to be more realistic in the archives right?

>>723674202 (OP)
Ok

>>723695948
>reviews
Maybe you should learn to form your own opinions.

>>723693841
ZA is actually XY2 but labeled as Legends to fool morons

>>723693841
>Arceus was really fucking good
lol

>>723682619
someone here joked that the game looks like you should be fighting silver while he throws chairs at you and that made me laugh

>>723696027
Be honest anon, you're the one who said it and you're sad no one else laughed.

>>723674202 (OP)
>15k likes
Literally all bots, why do you care what clankers 'think' ?

>>723696057
dang... i guess it was no use...

>>723695883
The city is shit its not like the one in Yakuza

>>723695998
It's the opposite, it's advertised as XY2 to sell and fool morons but it isn't

>>723695951
Can you genuinely not see anything in-between hyper realistic AAA slop and what pokemon za has ? Like are we seriously ignoring all the good looking jrpgs that clearly don't have realistic graphics?
Hell digimon Time Stranger was the game used to dunk on Pokemon graphics wise and it doesn't have realistic graphics , it's pretty anime looking with some low quality textures here and there

>>723696094
There is nothing Legends about this piece of shit

>>723696093
>its not like the one in Yakuza
Which is a good thing Kamurocho is boring.

>>723677019
TRVTHNVKE4RM4GEDD0N

>>723695996
>reviews
>Maybe you should learn to form your own opinions.
My opinion on the game is worse than all reviews published. I'm just citing them because they are positive about the game and they still think it looks ugly.

>>723689632
>make an open world game
>start the game off by constantly telling the player what they have to do

Imagine in Breath of the Wild if the opening kept telling you NO YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE OLD MAN, or NO YOU HAVE TO DO THE SHRINES IN THIS ORDER. What'd be the point?

>>723677019
>Stop giving money to Nintendo
Gamefreak is not Nintendo

>The graphics dont matter
Yes they fucking do every other nintendo franchise has decent graphics for games on the Switch so Pokefuck has no excuse

>>723696156
There's even less XY in it

>>723695951
>>723696131

>>723696314
Valerie got a cameo

>>723696131
>Can you genuinely not see anything in-between hyper realistic AAA slop and what pokemon za has
Reading comprehension anon. If we have threads and threads of people asking for that exact thing do you think that's what I believe or what they believe?
Now I know you're a bit slow so take your time answering.

Also TS making everything dark to hide the quality isn't good by any stretch of the imagination. That's why it looks abysmal and the 2d assets stand out like a sore thumb in the daylight sections.

>>723674202 (OP)
The post isn’t wrong though, everyone’s main complaints are entirely on the graphics and with za it’s not even dumpster fire levels like Arceus and sv were. I’d say za is another step in the right direction

>>723674202 (OP)
I only played S/V. It's the worst open world game I've ever played. It's just an open world with like 20 or so points of interest where you're supposed to go to trigger one of three events - gym, shitty boss battle, enemy team base. Otherwise it's completely empty with just pokemon and trainers randomly dropped in with no consideration for area design to speak of.
It makes generic Ubishit look like a masterpiece in comparison.

>>723696231
You mean like how Botw started you off on a plateau you couldn't leave until you finished the tutorial?
Or how XCX had you on a path until you hit NLA?
Or how GTA 5 had the tutorial intro mission?
What about Skyrim's intro tutorial?

Its almost as if every game has a tutorial before letting you go.

>>723677019
What video games should adults be playing?

>>723696476
You've basically described every open world game.

>>723696494
BOTW gives you a tutorial area that's basically a miniature version of the whole map, tells you to figure it out and then lets you loose when you got all the tools you need. That's not the same and you know it. And GTAV is just as obnoxious with its constant NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT, MISSION FAILED YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE ARROW ON THE FLOOR EXACTLY bullshit.

>>723696246
Pokemon is not developed by Nintendo.

>>723696461
>I’d say za is another step in the right direction
it did literally everything worse
fucking 2 hour long intro tutorial. Braindead combat
wild zones are worse than wild zones in sword/shield

>>723674202 (OP)
good. i like being able to hear something as basic as "i'm a pokemon fan" and know i can instantly tune out all of their thoughts and opinions

>>723696625
>it did literally everything worse
>fucking 2 hour long intro tutorial
It's like half an hour, how are you taking two hours?

>>723696395
I'll take whatever TS has yes please I don't care about the technicalities and clearly gamefreak absolutely doesn't so if it can reach TS level In possibly the next 5 years I'm happy

Pokemon sucks. Making it open world made it 100x worse.

>>723696246
Graphics have never mattered anon.

>>723696680
So basically you want ZA as is with the contrast turned way down.

>>723696613
Indeed but they are one of Nintendos brands

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokefags need to be culled en masse. Despite how shit the IP is now they still consume it happily despite better alternatives existing, there is no other solution.

>>723696707
Again its 2025 Gamefreak has no excuse as smaller studios have made better looking games

>>723696739
Yes Anon please how much should I lower the contrast to fix this ?

>>723696839
Again, graphics do not matter.
No matter how much you cry and whine it won't change that fact.

>>723677019
> It's a game for 12 year olds
The problem is the “target audience” you implying don’t a flying fuck about Pokemon. If you spoke with some around you will quickly realize they are interested in:
>Fortnite and some do goon to the new “skins” at young age
>any shooting game for that matter
>watching their favorite streamer playing all sorts of games because they are broke
>tiktok and other shit
>if the kid was little knowledgeable, he can watch movies and anime to his heart content
> sus sus and any trendy games
> Discord

>>723696859
However much you want?
You're the one obsessing over this.

>>723674202 (OP)
>most interesting and fun experiences of all the franchise
a VERY low bar

>>723696859
Dreamcast tier graphics lmfao

>>723696859
>100 billion dollar franchise

>>723696932
If you only play pokemon*

Just let Falcom make them, cowards.
>cheap AA company
>can put like 3 games per year with decent quality
>best action/turn rpg hybrid gameplay

>>723696859
Are those windows flat? Fucking hell shitty PC games in the 2000s had graphics like that

>>723692881
because they mean you have to play less, and playing less of modern game freak games is always a positive.

>>723683691
A game doesnt have to have good graphics to look good. This game is simply ugly.

>>723696859
the nameless mod, originally released in 2009, built on a game from 2001. made by deus ex fans on no budget. has balconies that have models

pokemon legends z-a, released just recently, made by one of the biggest developers in the industry on a 20 million dollar budget. balconies are textures

Why does it look worse than a 360 game?

>>723697076
>>723697089
Anons anons please it's just the contrast.
If you want hyper realistic AAA slop go play persona or something.

>>723697081
>>A game doesnt have to have good graphics to look good
you mean "graphical fidelity". and no, it doesnt

>>723697089
Oh no not the balconies! Everyone was waiting desperately to see those! How will this game ever sell now?

>>723697160
TWO THOUSAND AND TWENTY FIVE

>>723696896
None of what you said changes all pokemon products being designed for children.

>>723697089
>>723697076
Not just the windows
Almost everything about the building is jpegs not actual models.
If you get close to any of the buildings in the game you'll notice that everything is flat
Even in accessible buildings someone showed that they had flat columns sticked on the walls instead of 3d ones.

>>723697258
It'll sell because Pokémon fans got no standards. A building that's just a cube with a bunch of jpegs slapped on is lazy and if even an ancient mod knew not to do that, I'm questioning how much Game Freak still cares.

>>723697362
Canari is clearly not for kids and that thing Jacinthe

>>723691612
>9 was better than 6, 7, and 8
I don't care which one wasbetter when they were all shit anon
>5 was the peak
okay, so it was bait all along, enjoy your (you)

It's not about graphical fidelity, the game is just ugly and lazy, that's all there is to it.
There's not effort put into modeling etc. Fucking Sun and Moon look more appealing than S/V and ZA.

>>723694854
>Is there any hard turn based game
Last hours of FFX

>>723674202 (OP)
A-Z is genuinely the most dogship pokemon game of all time.

>>723697375
Wtf Gamefreak needs to be sued for selling this garbage for 70 dollars

>>723697258
>Oh no not the balconies! Everyone was waiting desperately to see those! How will this game ever sell now?
Ok then why does every other company bothers with making actual 3d textures ?
If it doesn't matter then we probably might as well not bother with the world of any game.
Honestly I wonder why gamefreak itself botherd making NPCs in the city, I don't think anyone was waiting to see plot irrelevant characters standing around.

>>723677313
Sneed, fromtranny shit is 10x more basic than BOTW's combat

I thought the game looked like shit so I didn't buy it. Anyone who still buys modern pokemon games should be round up and kept as cattle to be used for meat. Have some convictions in your life, I see so many people crying about how bad it is but they're still financially supporting it and playing it. You knew it was going to be dogwater

>>723697694
Sorry some people don't care about the graphics and just want to play a cool adventure with their pokemon bros

>>723697258
>Oh no not the balconies! Everyone was waiting desperately to see those! How will this game ever sell now?
The game was gonna sell regardless of anything. It can be a 2 hours walking sim and it would sell enough copies to generate a profit.
Gamefreak games don't need to sell more than 200k copies to generate profit.
But such mindset shouldn't be encouraged regardless. Caring about how the world you're roaming looks forces devs to actually care when creating it and if they care about the world they making even small details the average player might not encounter or notice then they are definitely putting more effort into the more important aspects too.

>>723677019
Pokémon, modern Pokémon to be specific, is a soulless, no identity no man's land in the sense that it has no idea who it wants to appeal to. The new monsters are cutesy, simplistic, plushie-bait but at the same time we've been getting nothing but KANTOOOO pandering which only appeals to millennials. The graphics and art style make the games look like Cocomelon slop but there's a lot of creepy wink wink nudge nudge fetish-bait inserted like having the option to crossdress the little boy MC and have him take pictures alongside fat ugly bastards or having mons like that flamboyant water duck starter. You claim these games are for 12-year-olds but children of that age would find the ever-increasing dumbing down of an already simple IP to be lame and unexciting. Game Freak is under the impression that they have to both appeal to small children and emotionally stunted adults stuck in the past and that's an audience that is guaranteed to produce slop.

>>723697640
rent free lmao

>>723697865
Some people also eat glue buddy. Buying dogshit games = they will continue to make them. The fact that everyone has a slave mentality like you is why we get bad games thats the simple reality, even if you think it won't make a difference you should always stand by your convictions

>>723697865
za offers neither. I've seen more people talking about the trans options in the characters customiziton than the actual story or supposed adventure since you really don't leave the asphalt hell

>>723696476
That's 90% of open world games

>>723696476
The open world serves its purpose. You find Pokemon out there in the open world and catch them. That is the reward.

Just finished it
Not as bad as I thought going in it's a solid 5.3 for me

>>723674202 (OP)
>This is your brain on social media
Turn off your screen. Touch grass.

Besides, Legends Arceus is one of the best games of the series. It is kind of ugly but close to what the anime made you feel as a kid. You truly go on an adventure.
Scariolet and Z-A suck really bad though. So do Sun and Moon and Sword and Shield.

>>723674202 (OP)
>twitter screenshot
>starting sentence with bro

>>723698753
Arceus doesn't even have multiplayer battles

I've long since accepted that these mouthbreathing retards are going to make sure we never get any amount of effort put into a Pokémon game again. I've already seen the hordes on twitter with their "UHHHHH IM ACTUALLY HECKING ENJOYING THE GAME SO HOW ABOUT THAT CHUDS IM HAVING A BLAAAAAAAAST".

>>723698960
lel

>>723698954
I consider that a positive since they don't have to consider balance for the retarded multiplayer competitive shit

>>723698990
I like the idea of the "Pokémon Uncle" being the male equivalent of a wine aunt.

>>723699105
Wine aunts are meant to be cool though, I don't "Pokemon uncle" as described by that comic is intended to be a positive thing

>>723699019
>I consider it a bonus that one of the critical features the series is known for is missing

Why is Nintendo hated a lot all of a sudden? It feels like it's the number one target for grifters online now.

>>723699180
>Wine aunts are meant to be cool though
According to who? The wine aunts themselves? Everyone else sees them as sad, bitter women that make Thanksgiving dinners uncomfortable.

>>723674202 (OP)
You know I haven't played Pokemon since the gameboy but I always hear pokemonfags complain about shit like tree graphics or rendering or overworld sprites or the nationaldex or some shit, but every single time without end, each product breaks records and justifies itself. So frankly, the fanbase can say what they want, but if this is the case then why would they bother trying? They're clearing getting a good return

>>723699189
correct

>>723697640
Amazing ubislop combat. I hope Ubisoft will finally sue shittendo and bankrupt their company for ripping off them for over a decade

>>723699189
> Critical feature
90% of the people who buy this do not care for online battles

>>723698954
I never play against others players. Pokemon is all about escapism for me. I don't want to deal with any of you.
Arceus is comfy and doesn't need any of that.

>>723678019
V was good and VV was great but SMT games aren't really similar to Pokemon at all outside of being JRPGs and people would not like them for the same reasons.

NDSfaggots really thought they could scare pokefags away from eating slop. They are even more delusional than I thought.

What's interesting and fun about them? I found myself struggling to find anything worthwhile to do in Scarler/Violet. The introduction is way too fucking long and when the game finally opens up it dumps a laundry list on you with cutscenes every five steps filled with some of the worst writing in history. In terms of battling, it has the worst camera angles, tempo, flow, animations, etc... of any title and is just in general a visual nightmare.
Nothing fun or interesting about it. Unless you're some niggerfaggot turboautist who only likes to grind/breed Pokémon to and look at their numbers, in which case there's a lot of QoL improvements to make that shit a lot easier/streamlined. Seems like each new iteration makes it easier and easier to just custom mod your 'Mon like a car in no time with no restrictions or dedication required.
Soon enough I imagine Types will be pointless, and Pokémon will just be aesthetic, which is sort of ironic considering 98% of the designs in the last 15 years have been ugly as fuck.
In a decent world, Atlus would be allowed to develop the next mainline iteration.

>>723697986
Z-A isn't a bad game and you haven't even played it.
The best you can do is write "IT LOOK BAD!" and call anyone who disagrees a slave.
People like to catch pokemon, battle pokemon, see the new megas, see what the characters from XY have been up to, explore and do side quests.
>>723697998
Obviously, I meant the 15 million people who buy the games but don't go on the internet to talk about them.
>I've seen more people talking about the trans options in the characters customiziton
This says more about the circles you hang around in than the game

>>723696314
Free my nigga Clemont

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokemon fans should have their human rights revoked. People in vegetative stage have more brain activity.

>>723677019
Brother I talked with my younger nephews and they think Pokémon is cringe as fuck. The Pokémon fanbase is aging out.

>>723699404
>arbitrary statistic
Pokemon is carried by it's multiplayer. Yes, it's a critical feature that has been it's arguably number one selling point since inception. What a ludicrous thing to say

>>723699564
Monster collecting is still an integral part of those games

>>723699756
Maybe Clemont has a framed picture like Sycamore

>>723699942
I'm occasionally forced to interact with middle schoolers for work and from what I gather everyone's into minecraft or roblox. There are some kids who talk about Pokémon and play with the cards but they're outnumbered at least 5 to 1. The franchise is being driven by middle aged card scalpers and franchise fanatics. Nintendo knows this and that's why they've been licensing out their properties as of late

>>723699621
it's not a visual issue, it's a performance issue. the games HAVE to look like dogshit because if they didn't, they'd have no frames. this is a problem because it severely limits what gamefreak can actually do with the games.

but anyhow, let me talk a bit about the gameplay.
>People like to catch pokemon
this is the one thing about the game I don't have a problem with.
>battle pokemon
did you really still enjoy spamming the same 2 or 3 buttons over and over by the end of grinding out the Z-A Royale? I didn't.
>see what the characters from XY have been up to
obviously there's Az and Lysandre, but apart from those two, there really wasn't a lot.
>explore
exploration was extremely dull because there's little to no visual variety, there are no fun traversal options and exploration rewards felt lacking.
>do side quests
got bored with them relatively quickly, so I didn't do a lot, but they were extremely repetitive.

please, for the love of all that is holy, demand more from gamefreak. they can't be charging 70 bucks (+30 bucks dlc) for a barebones game like this.

>>723700261
>the games HAVE to look like dogshit because if they didn't, they'd have no frames
so hire some good fucking developers? get monolith to help out, they did with the new zelda games and those look and run fine for the most part

>>723700297
Fucking read, nigger. We have the same opinion.

>>723700261
>performance
This is more of a lazy design or possibly cpu limitation but no one in the city moves and there's maybe up to 5 npcs per area. The town feeels so empty and lifeless.

>>723700127
Of course they are. The lazy 7 years of games have been terrible. I think my oldest niece is a Pokemon fan but my younger nephews think it's cringe. Funny enough one of my younger Nephews likes Sonic and Minecraft thanks to the movies. I honestly feel that after Detective Pikachu, TPCi failed to capitalize on making more live action Pokémon films. The future of said gaming IPs are movies.

>>723700297
>so hire some good fucking developers?
AND SPEND MONEY???
no no, billions must be earned and that means un-paid internships with fresh CS graduates
the profit line must go up and that's final

>>723700357
i know but the thing is i don't think game freak can do better, so demanding more from them isn't gonna change anything. either they're too incompetent or too apathetic to do anything about it (likely both), and they got no real incentive to change anything as long as millions of pokemon fans keep lapping it up every time and making excuses. i was gonna say that theres gonna be a time this would bite GF in the ass, but after scarlet and violet came out in a dreadful state at launch and still sold like hotcakes and fans still defended them, i dont think that anymore

>>723700468
i genuinely wonder what GF does with the money. do they just hoard it like a dragon or something?

>>723694515
Yeah, that's...that's SO different from pokemon, bro. SO different.

>>723700561
>>723694515
>>723694854
"Pokemon isn't a real JRPG!" has always been SMTroon cope because their dogshit is mogged in battle complexity, depth, character design, creature design, map design, and music by Pokemon Monsters. It's the greatest turn based series ever made, meanwhile your mogged by a faggy schoolgirl spinoff in your own franchise lmfao

>>723700635
Don't the new pokemon games basically highlight super effective moves for you? Lmao

>>723700054
In Pokemon the monsters are partners, in SMT the monsters are tools. The vibe difference is a pretty big deal for a lot of people.

>>723674202 (OP)
True sister! True! It's like me when I rape buttholes! It's some of the most interesting and fun experiences a person could have if they just ignore all of the negatives!

>>723680306
Why is he fucking a child?

>>723700509
>i genuinely wonder what GF does with the money. do they just hoard it like a dragon or something?
i don't know, but last fiscal year they almost made 2 billion dollars, i hope they're spending this money in shady genetic experiments to make real life pokemon

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokefags truly are pathetic

>>723696859
This entire game is just the same building pasted over and over again

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokefags get everything bad they deserve....Digifags our time is nigh!

How do kids even like modern pokemon? Its way too talky. Every one has hours of fucking dialogue before you can get your charizard, which is what kids actually want to do.

>>723674202 (OP)
>if you can swerve around the potholes its actually a pretty good road

>>723700880
I've only heard or seen adults play pokemon. Not even teenagers. I'm not even sure how popular the games are with kids anymore.

>>723700865
We've been eating good
When TF are we getting some decent TS wallpapers man

>>723700880
No. Pokemon is a millennial franchise. No one under 20 is playing it they are all playing Roblox instead. Game freak doesn't realize this. Or maybe they do...

>>723700880
Kids dont give a fuck about Pokemon, theyre too busy playing Roblox.

>>723700958
i have a niece and nephew and they dont give a flying fuck about the games. my nephew liked the cards but grew out of them i think

>>723677019
I stopped doing that well over 20 years ago.
Pokemon Diamond for the GameBoy Color was my last Pokemon game AND the last Nintendo product I ever touched.

>>723701083
I've got a bunch of nieces and nephews and none of them have mentioned any interest in it. Roblox and Minecraft? Sure. Pokemon? Nah. Feels like I've seen more kids hyped up for Sonic than I have this franchise, albeit for the movies but still.

>>723700991
>>723701048
What the fuck?

>>723701149
Seems surprising, but it's just because the vast majority of those players are either kids or pedophiles. You aren't really gonna find much discussion about Roblox in places for game enthusiasts like /v/ in the same way you won't find much Madden or Fifa discussion here

pokemon might be shit now but it doesnt help nintendo is absolute gaming satan nowadays

>>723701149
Roblox is mostly free and virtually anything can run it. Not surprising at all that it's got more users than Steam.

>>723701149
Steamcels kneel to the Robloxchads

>>723701149
roblox is alpha/zoomoid version of addictinggames

its that simple man

>>723680935
>the thing that requires effort and money
Graphics? Because that's basically all you guys bitch about.

>>723701149
It's weird because I remember playing Roblox 15 years ago and now it has a resurgence by gen alpha and zoomies. Roblox is an old ass game. Older than Minecraft.

>>723674202 (OP)
>If it wasn't so bad it would be so good

>>723683609
>>723683673
>animations...le bad!
>the good animations from the le good pokeymanz: *a static sprite shakes slightly as some pixels move from one side of the screen to the other, making the other static sprite shake slightly*
No no no, pokebros, where did it all go wrong?

>>723700958
People don't watch TV anymore so kids don't see the anime which was basically the main method of advertising to them. I haven't played any of the other Switch games to know what they're like but it's actually pretty noticeable in ZA that they realize their audience is trending older.

>>723701607
>it's actually pretty noticeable in ZA that they realize their audience is trending older
please explain. I'm not seeing it.

>>723701607
>it's actually pretty noticeable in ZA that they realize their audience is trending older
is that why the tutorial treats you like a toddler who needs to be held by the hand, and why it still needs insists on explaining what things like a poke center are?

>>723674202 (OP)
in 1996 when they released pokemon red and green, the fact that the games looked like shit and were buggy messes was annoying, but they were at least trying something new, doing something interesting.

by 1999 they had fixed everything. gold and silver had less than 1% of the bugs and was unimaginably more pleasing to look at than the jankfest of red and green in a thousand different ways

and look at how they've regressed since. not content to put out one buggy, unoptimized mess of a game that looks like total shit in 2022, they are completely unrepentant and put out another game that also looks like total shit in 2025

they used to improve. They showed they could take a rough prototype and turn it into something great between 1996 and 1999. Now, they're not even interested in trying to make something better than what came before. Every single game is lazily made trash. It's a disgrace.

even ledditors are hating on this shitty game lol

>>723682619
I genuinely thought someone had ported those models to gmod until I saw the white lines on the physgun
holy fuck that is bad

>>723691070
>for 12-year-olds
>for 16-year-olds

If your target audience loves low-effort slop, why would Nintendo/TPC/GF ever want to change anything?
Pokefags cried about no gym leaders on SuMo and yet they sold by the millions
Pokefags cried about dexit on SW/SH and yet they sold by the millions
Pokefags cried about S/V being an alpha version and yet they sold by the millions
They always cry about some shit (sometimes legit) but still drop 60-80 + tip + dlc on whatever shit they release and then believe any of those three companies give a fuck about a 5/10 rating on metacritic
Pokefags might be the most legit retarded fanbase

>>723700880
Contrary to what a lot of people here think, pokemon fans have kids. They buy their kids Pokemon plush toys when they're babies and toddlers, while the kids also seeing the creatures around the house, and end up getting attached to them like their parents did. Playing Pokemon games also becomes a family affair for them, like monopoly/scrabble/dominos/etc board games of the past.

>>723700958
My nephew is obsessed with it. Pokemon is still huge, actually pretty much all the IP that's popular today is the same as what was popular when I was a kid.
But he only knows it from tv and pokemon GO. When he plays the actual games he's pretty disappointed.

What will the "Switch hardware is holding GF back" argument turn into once the next game is a S2 exclusive?

>>723694854
Unironicallly Expedition 33

>>723699621
I made a video explaining why its shit and I didn't need to play it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0_e8Y-WNq0

>>723702015
Switch 2 hardware is holding GF back

>>723701657
>>723701721
They talk about death a lot more often and the characters act more mature, ZA is clearly a game meant for older fans first while still accomodating newer fans.

>>723697640
>shoot an arrow in its face or parry and you stunlock the enemy for 10 seconds each time making it unable to hurt you at all
Such amazing zombat, very wow

>if the game was good it would be good
bruh

>>723702042
Dang...

>>723690692
I mean...

>>723675323
>it's just LE OKAY!!!! It's your fault for expecting something good!
these creatures still exist?

>>723691810
>3 games in a row with noticeable bugs
Sonicfags wish that only 3 games in a row would have bugs

>>723700763
Why aren't you? That's what nintendo

>>723674202 (OP)
pokemon was never good

>>723679320
You don't care because you are a professional shit eater.

>>723702021
He said hard not a linear babies first rpg

>>723698990
>Game studio copies a popular franchise
>Franchise either ignores it or buys the game studio to make official content
>Game studio copies Pokemon
>Studio is DMCA'd and sued and Pokemon Company patents another 80 billion widely used gameplay features they didn't invent

>>723674202 (OP)
>Everything about this "game" is terrible but it's fun!
Is this the ultimate tendie cope, it's fun!

>>723692738
>there are plenty of developers out there more worthy of your money
Such as?

>>723682619
They likely used chatgpt to even generate thise tiles and windows. And forgot to use the word "seamless" because why bother, you will buy it anyway.

>>723702015
TPC/Nintendo doesn't give them enough time, money, developers, whatever.

>>723702253
I miss zubrats...

>>723694331
>it's ok when SMTV does it

>>723682619
A mistake like this is done by someone who hates their job.

>>723689632
How is it an 8.5 game? Have you played other games?

>>723702472
pokemon games get less than 10% the budget of other AAA games, people hate on GameFreak but what are they supposed to do when they don't get funding?

>>723701752
>look up post
>night version of the city needs to load in
>it can happen during a fucking battle and bring back an entire sector full of pokemon

someone tell me this is a joke. this has to be a joke

I feel like GameFreak is trying to sabotage the IP because they know they don't own it and want to burn everything back into the ground

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokemon Arceus and Pokemon Scarlet and Violet are better than the trash Pokemon ZA is.

>>723694027
Do they really put fan theories in wikis or is it literally just for troonshit

>>723702637
No, my brother has been playing and that was something he complained about unprompted.

AAAAAASSSSS

>>723700667
So do everyone's favorite romhacks, soooo

>>723702753
Jesus Christ, even GTA3 on the PS2 had a seamless day-night cycle. Fucking Bethesda figured out how to do this decades ago. How inept are Game Freak even?

>>723694854
7th Dragon III postgame kicked my ass

>pokefags claim that ZA is non linear open world
>already rank D and still not allowed to catch a Ralts because I haven't watched enough cutscenes yet

Complete downgrade from SV and PLA

>>723679320
The appeal of Pokémon games was always the little world they made in your handheld. If the world looks like shit, why are you playing?

>>723694410
is that ps1 game?

>>723702472
>>723702635
Poor Game Freak...I'm gonna buy two copies of their games from now on! We can't let them down when they've given us so much happiness over the years!

The "You will still buy it" cope isn't funny anymore. Someone please help us

>>723702637
It's 100% real
I was fighting an alpha mon while being severely under leveled, got him to red health, night cycle cutscenes pops in, the mon is back to full health and chilling

Hands down the most infuriating game in the franchise.
Why the fuck can't I toggle the ZL button during combat?
Why is player movement so slow? Where's the trademark XY roller skates? Where's PLA mounts? Why is the only movement upgrade that you get, the rotom hover, so insanely fucking awkward to use?
Why do my attacks like drill run keep getting interrupted by tiny terrain meshes?
Why the fuck aren't all fucking merchants marked in the map? I found the mint seller early in the game and the faggot map didn't mark the spot
Why the fuck do I have to go through 3 dialogue boxes to buy ONE SINGLE FUCKING BERRY
WHERE'S THE FUCKING LINK CABLE ITEM THAT PLA HAD

I swear that EVERYONE that defends ZA is a certified poke cultist shill

>>723702635
We don't know who is in charge of the budgeting and time scheduling for Pokémon games, but this excuse of "TPC and Nintendo are evil and don't give them enough time and money" feels like bullshit to me when no other Nintendo franchise suffers from the issues Pokémon does and when they've always been kinda shit at making games (gen 1 was basically held together with chewing gum and bandaids). They've also never said they don't get enough money or time to make their games as far as I know, when other Japanese developers are more open about when this happens. It feels like cope.

>>723702635
Gamefreak owns 33% of the Pokémon company and the Pokémon games have something like a 95% profit margin. They are deciding to make the games shit because spending more money on them will not produce better results.
>what are they supposed to do when they don't get funding?
Make a smaller game that isn't ass. Literally just do a 2D hand-drawn version of what they had on the DS with actually improved gameplay instead of some retarded gimmick or walkabouts. Turn-based combat can actually be good, just look at high level Pokémon players. The realtime stuff is, ironically, removing the only part of the game that had any depth.

>>723703320
33% is a lot. Why don't they just move away from the franchise and let someone else work on it?

>>723702635
gamefreak own a third of the most profitable intellectual property in existence. pokemon has made well over 100 billion dollars in revenue over the years. gamefreak's problem is not a lack of funding

>>723703007
I just caught a Ralts an hour ago and am lower ranked than you, either you are just bad or are lying

>>723674202 (OP)
>if you close your eyes, this painting is really good

>>723703260
>Why the fuck can't I toggle the ZL button during combat
fucking OOT had this. most profitable IP of all time everyone

>>723702429
Eh, I dunno how else to say it myself. It all boils down to "I'm having fun". Trying to find my old bros, train them, let them follow me etc, it has some charm, but I am not blind to the whole facade. Even if I could buy a switch 2 right now, I would still be sceptical of spending money to support this. But I like pokemon enough to really want to try this new thing, despite all it's flaws, that were apparent from the first reveals.
How else could anyone say this even? I, personally, enjoy my time so far. Does this mean I'm wearing rose tinted glasses? I avoid the more apparent problems? Very likely. BUT I will not say the game is inherently good or that it does not have major flaws.

>>723703858
No one cares ootsnoy

>>723703858
>10 hours into the game
>still occasionally open the settings menu in hopes of seeing the toggle option
I mean, SWSHit hid audio settings behind a fucking random ass NPC, why shouldn't I believe that I'll just randomly unlock the ZL toggle option eventually? There's just no way that they're so incompetent to not include that option

>>723700712
>In Pokemon the monsters are partners, in SMT the monsters are tools
I feel like it's quite the opposite, in pokemon you literally had to use specific pokemons as tools to be able to cut trees, surf or fly. You are also pushed to "catch them all" and let them rot in your PC; even how you capture them is by beating them down then throwing a ball at them.
In SMT, you have to convince the demons, and you are likely to use even the weakest demon you recruit in the later game by fusing it throughout your adventure

>>723701607
Leak said pretty explicitly the Legends games are targeting an older audience while mainline are targeting younger
However you guys are coping something fierce, kids play Pokemon.

Anyone else got day/night cutscene fatigue? I probably have seen it more than one thousand times by now.

>>723704004
>SWSHit hid audio settings behind a fucking random ass NPC
No fucking way they actually did this, that's too retarded even for gayfreak

>>723677019
Do kids not deserve good games? Why is it okay for something to be shit if it's for kids?

>>723704189
>he doesn't know
lol)
https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/musiccustomisation.shtml

>>723704194
It makes them rugged and ready for the army instead of basedboys like you

Graphicfags don't matter, Pokemon has never been about that, fuck off tourists.

>>723703497
They did. They have like 5 people in the back making Pokémon which funds the stuff the studio is actually passionate about. This is the new Game Freak game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0r-Kap8kWI

Pokémon fans are the literal cucks funding what Game Freak actually likes.

>>723704304
I hate this shitty cope so much. Pokémon had good graphics on Game Boy and even DS. Art style matters too. Lumiose city was much more beautiful in BW/BW2 than it is in ZA.

>>723704004
>>723704246
oh my fucking god you weren't kidding. there is no defending this shit jesus fucking christ.

>>723704304
Pokémon is a game that is entirely about the world you explore and the creatures you encounter. Graphics are a major part of that.

>>723704175
Castlevania II moment

>>723704416
>Lumiose city was much more beautiful in BW/BW2 than it is in ZA
cube / ootsnoy revealing they dont actually play pokemon and just want something to bitch about for the.....nth time

>>723703007
Everyone has a Ralts dipshit it came free with your fucking mystery gift

>>723704719
I didn't get it I have the oldest Mystery Gift known to man

>>723704447
>Pokémon is a game that is entirely about the world you explore
cool, then why exploration is fucking garbage since SM?

Used milk doesn’t matter in 2025 never has!

I’ll probably buy it though since battle fags said it was good and it makes people seethe. I bought the switch 2 because people told me not do it. I don’t listen to normies or old fags

I’ll shit on Pokemon a little bit though. Imagine for years like even as a developer you have billions with a B and you decide let’s make the most simple bland city possible. Meanwhile fucking Elden Ring has multiple cities
>with no one in it and nothing to do Kek

Yet somehow is pushing gaming to its max. Pokemon doesn’t do this

Why are the Japanese so bitter. Ever since Black and White got a little bit of hate they full on sperged out with Pokemon. Reminds me of Zelda but worse

Yeah imagine a Pokemon game that’s like GTA. It’s not like it would be most sold game of all time or anything great freak fucking retards

At least the old fags are owning there schizophrenia of liking ps2 graphics until death. This is what you get. A city that looks worse than a mobile game

>>723704789
Because the game are fucking garbage since SM.

scarlet was dogshit. its like life on onions simulator.

>>723674202 (OP)
Yeah, if you ignore the shitty graphics, the constant bugs, the stagnant and repetitive gameplay, the lack of content, the shitty new design and the crappy region exclusive mechanics they are decent games, I guess.

>>723702909
They saw BotW do it, I imagine that's the reason.

>>723703008
I don't know. Why did you play all their older shitty-looking games?

pokemon doesn't need video games
it is the largest franchise ever
they could make no software and it would still be the largest
retards thinking that if everyone banded together and didn't buy the latest game that they would magically come to the conclusion that they need to invest more when they'd just drop video games altogether and dominate
delusional

>>723705279
BotW only has a cutscene once in a blue moon to reset the world to prevent that save file bloat or framerate issues Bethesda games suffeer from. Why would Z-A need to reset the world *constantly*?

>>723705339
You are confusing graphical fidelity with graphical quality. The older games had fewer pixels but used them better.

>>723674202 (OP)
Or you could play Digimon and not have to deal with any of that nonsense

>>723704719
I pirated the game, so no mystery gift for me
Also, that shit is a time limited promotion, why even fucking mention it?

>>723705554
the old 2d games did a decent enough job at creating a stylized world that had hints of being bigger than how the games portrayed them, making the worlds feel big and grand without really being either. you dont get that kind of leeway with 3d graphics though and now the worlds feel small, empty and soulless, in part due to bad art design and presentation, in part due to incompetent programming resulting in lots of bugs and framerate issues. its kinda pathetic how behind the times pokemon is compared to other open world games, even bethesda's, who hasn't made anything worth mentioning for quite a while now.

>>723705454
Because there are different Pokémon at night. Because the battle royale zones appear and disappear, and you need to tally the results.

I agree it could all be seamless witha bunch more effort and a hit to understandability, but let's not pretend the day/night cycle is just cosmetic. And let's not pretend it's a sudden cut when you're warned minutes in advance with 3 different notifications when it's about to happen.

>>723674202 (OP)
All you have to do to get past the technical problems is download the latest patch.

>>723705717
Agreed. That's the 3D problem alright, but I'm feeling it's just a lack of incompetence rather than anything else. Like, we could potentially have X/Y be like DQ9, and it would be 100 times better, and feel a lot better than what we actually got. A DS game, mind you. Even on their own, self contained ecosystem, the newer 3D games pale in comparison to older 3D games even. Obviously because they were not made by the same devs. I think they need to work together with other studios who are more competent in making 3D games.

>>723704246
>volume control only available after getting an item from an npc
That's the sort of shit a flash game would do as a joke.

>>723678019
The Blasphemous Might of the Nahobino...

Ok "biggest franchise in the world" memes aside . As a dev why would you think that's an acceptable product to release anyways no matter the budget.
Like is there no love or passion for your work or art anymore?

>>723705717
>>723705927
The problem isn't 3D; it's scale. They changed the camera view to be over the shoulder and that forced them to scale up the world by several times because otherwise the movement would be extremely sluggish. If you brought back the overhead perspective and shrank the world down again, the new games would probably look much better without a massive increase in budget.

>>723706613
It's literally just the cashcow they use to fund the stuff they're actually interested in. Look into their other shit.

>>723706797
>If you brought back the overhead perspective and shrank the world down again, the new games would probably look much better without a massive increase in budget
they kinda did this with let's go and went in more on it with bdsp, and the results weren't super impressive imo. although lgpe does look better than what came after so maybe you got a point

>>723700001
Yeah, I'm sure the link cable was the main selling point of Pokemon.

>>723706863
>>723706797
LGPE reportedly had some framerate dips still, and while BDSP didn't it also looks really, really bleh.

Maybe Nintendo would have an easier time getting kids into the franchise again when it comes to the actual games, if they actually bothered returning back the roots of the franchise and making it easier for kids to complete a full franchise wide Pokedex.
That's the main thing that's making the big difference between newcomers and people already in the franchise. The gotta catch'em all really only applies to people who've got easy ways to go back and catch all the old stuff, or have legacy collections.
For new comers it's not even something the bother with because it's hardly an achievable goal for most

>>723707281
They already tried that with the 5th gen and everyone hated them for it.

>>723706863
BDSP fucked it up by changing the camera angle for certain scenes, giving you a close up of these chibi fucks, the Cyrus battle on Spear Pillar is probably the biggest offender because you can tell they wanted it to be serious and cool.
Following Pokemon also look like shit because they aren't also chibi like the player is, literally all they would need to do is port the Pokémon models from Rumble.

>>723707281
no one except giga autists have ever given a shit about collecting them all
The average player just beats the singleplayer campaign and then stops playing

>>723700880
kids like reading.

Acreus focused on catching and had mechanics that were easy to implement
The new mechanics in ZA are potentially good, but the implementation is so buggy it becomes frustrating

>>723699609
>filled with some of the worst writing in history.
no. sv's writing is one of its strongest qualities.

>>723674202 (OP)
They're never going to make a good game just give up

>>723700712
woah, its been like a decade since I've seen something from artist-black

>>723680935
>The actual focus should be on exploration and adventuring, with mechanics focused AROUND that.
It's funny you say that, because that's what ZA has done, though heavily limited to the single town it exists in.
The core exploration gimmick is rooftop navigation, and HMs scattered in specific locations throughout. Brambles/rocks/ice/goop blocking or making new paths. And even a classic dungeon at the end with Lysandre Lab.
Really, I think GameFreak needs to stop trying to do "LARGE OPEN WURLD" in their core design, and instead break up routes/towns into smalller zones. Have the zone of the town you're in be a slice of the city at large, to give the illusion it's massive.
It's funny seeing their leaked concept art of the planning stages of the game, and it's hella beautiful and grand, but the shit dev can't do that at all.

The people complaining about Pokemon ZA are literally Blue from the first game, while the people enjoying it are like Red.

Most of the complainers only play pokemon for the battle system, and grinding, and don't understand that the appeal of Pokemon is actually meant to be a more relaxing and story driven experience where you enjoy the experience of bonding with pokemon, interacting with the NPC's, and growing together.

You guys have never understood the point of Pokemon.

Pokemon is literally for children, you are retarded if you play it as a grown man

>>723710319
Same with GTA

Having played a good 15 hours of ZA and having also played a lot JRPG slop on my switch, it easily replaces Yumia as the worst one i played this year.
Unless it gets much better later.

>>723710227
You have it entirely backwards lol most people who complain about modern Pokemon dislike the battle system and desperately want the main conflicts in the game to be things like
>the gym leader here uses dragon types, so I should get an ice type
>the mountain is cold, so I need a fire type to not freeze and to fend off the ice Pokemon
>I’ll also bring a fighting type, because the higher strength lets it carry more food items and ropes
>And a psychic type, because having a psychic type lets you see enemy Pokemon on the minimap so they’re easier to avoid

There’s this huge group of people that want Pokemon to be more survival adventure

>>723676863
extremely underrated comment

>>723674202 (OP)
>it's funny cuz if you ignore all the flaws and reasons why it's dogshit it's not dogshit!! ZOMG pokehaters btfo!!!!!
ok...?

>>723706975
The game was designed with multiplayer features in mind to compliment the link cable hardware, yes. Literally a main selling point.
https://youtu.be/6lBqaQuKAVQ?si=N-a_an8bHX_j9Hvc

>>723696896
I think people underestimate Gen alpha is kind of fucked up in this regard.
I doubt many of them grow up with TV Kid's channels as we knew them and just having a streaming box and watch whatever social media shoves in their face and tells them to watch because of memes, whether it's for kids or not.
A lot of kids don't really enjoy "Kid's spaces" anymore, they just want to dive into the deep end of a pool and pretend them belong to the same culture as the adults they idolize. and that's one of the contributing reasons I imagine why media aimed at adults is regularly being defanged.

>>723700667
You... You do know that SMT does that too right?

>>723674202 (OP)
this is a cult

>>723694771
>AI makes dolls in the background blink

>>723710319
Video games are for children

I'm playing White 2 on emulator currently. It's pretty fun but I managed to outlevel the challenge mode by now (just beat gym 8)

>>723677019
This. People either ditched Pokemon gen 3 or they ditched Pokemon at gen 6.
Everything since gen 6 has been actual kusoge, I haven't been able to finish a single one. ( Via piracy)

>>723687225
Okay, but Nintendo games actually have lovingly-made graphics these days while running smoothly (usually). Pokemon manages to both look bad and run bad despite not even being particularly complex. Game Freak is just incompetent.

>>723710227
I'm the second type of person and gamefreak sucks at doing those things. I fucking wish i'd get an actual rpg where you bond with your pokemon and have any say in the story but they can't even be hassed to make the maps feel alive. Like many others i don't give a fuck about competitive or "catching them all" and the games still don't cater to me either. So who are they for?

>japanese companies are now just american companies yet somehow worse
there is 0 benefit buying an nintendo game, they dont even offer refunds

Pokemon = Goku
Digimon = Vegeta
Palworld = Broly

>>723679094
Amazing quality of life features such as
>dexcut
>paying for pokemon home/bank
>cutting post game features and battle facilities to resell them to you as dlc
>forced xp all
>removed set mode
>friendship mechanic because your poGAYmon loves you so much that they will just cheat
>move cut and transferring any pokemon with those moves over just deletes the move
>the ability to trade and battle with gen 8 completely removed even though they are on the same hardware
>terastallization which completely kills the balance of every trainer in the game besides end game bosses
Inb4
>b-b-b-but it's easier to make a competitive team now!
Fuck you retard. You aren't playing VGC. You aren't a competitor. You will never be anything other than a shit eater who consumes. Anyone that is actually good at the game was either paying people to make teams for them or PKhexing their teams. Stop pretending you are anything less than a shit eating tranny.

>>723711096
that all does sound quite good

>>723710227
>story driven experience where you enjoy the experience of bonding with pokemon, interacting with the NPC's, and growing together
But ZA fails in all of those aspects as well. Along with SV, SwSh, SuMo, ORAS, and XY. Everything after BW2 has been irredeemable shit on all levels besides some of the pokemon designs and items themselves.

>>723710227
>NPC's
hello jeet

>>723699189
The fact that people unironically play Pokemon for multiplayer JRPG battles and consider it to be in any way competitive is fucking insane to me every time I'm reminded of it.

>>723710227
>Bonding with your pokemon
Lol lmao
>Play for the battle system
This has never been the case

>>723716524
How do I use Pokemon Amie in BW2?

>bro
begone wigger.
>pokemon
grow up

>>723674202 (OP)
>Scarlet/Violet
Decent game with big problems. Open world with nothing to do in it. Towns with nothing to do in them. Gyms and things should change with how much you have done in the world.
>Legends Arceus
Absolute garbage. No focus on battling. Just explore an empty world tossing pokeballs over and over.
>Legends ZA
An objective improvement over Arceus. Less of a focus on catching, more battles. New battle system is interesting, but shines more when multiple pokemon are involved. The world is still pretty bare.

It's a shame that the generic trainers/NPCs are overall a downgrade in visual design, but major characters are still appealing.

>>723713493
Havem't played 5 but they didn't for 1-4 or strange journey. Pokemon does it even for moves you haven't moved yet. That's when i dropped the series

>>723719389
>No focus on battling
Battling has always been by far the least interesting part about Pokemon. Get rid of it.

>>723677019
Adult women like it though.

>>723691896
>there was no sense of exploration and it was a railroaded experience.
This doesn't feel too significant a complaint, since even when regions aren't designed to be literal circles, like Unova was, your progression path through them was already very restricted and linear. Not to say B/W wasn't more so, but it didn't feel like a major shift in direction enough to sour the entire experience. I want to say B/W had less optional areas than prior gens, though, which is a loss, but I can't fully remember how significant a drop off there even was.

>>723716058
American devs push for graphics even if they're poorly optimized. You get neither graphics or optimization with Gay Freak

>>723678019
Nice bullshot, but SMTV doesn't look like that on Steam.

>>723683674
where the piss stained panties really necessary ?

>>723694027
ditto is THE trans icon because if you leave it in a daycare it starts raping every other pokemon

>>723697258
From the very first seconds of footage we saw of this game they were the first thing people noticed.
The lazy way they have done them also has balconies against the roofs of adjacent shorter buildings

>>723674202 (OP)
Neither of the legends games are fun.

>>723710319
I don't even think Kids like Pokemon that much anymore compared to Fortnite or CoD, Pokemon is being hard carried by it's nostalgia fueled man children of a fanbase.

>>723676863
I came here to post this, fucking twitter troons should be gassed

>>723710227
>Omg this is just like Harry Potter! The people who hate the thing I worship are literally Voldemort and the people who love the thing I worship are literally Dumbledore!

>>723720002
Battling is easily the best part about pokemon. They need to focus more on it and add an actual hard mode.

>>723674202 (OP)
>We're never ever getting a good Pokemon game
No we are not. It's time to move to team Digimon!

S/V were actually legitimately bad and the only bad games in the mainline franchise. Z-A is miles better and they actually redeemed themselves (please, no Indian memes).

Doomtrannies are just addicted to the attention from saying they grew out of Pokemania like everyone else who grew up in the late 90s. You’re not special or unique. No one likes you.

>>723677487
Despite being fucking barren, Acerus gets a pass from me for trying something new on the franchise, did a bad job at it but at least was different.
S/V was an insult to their costumers and only the most lobotomized fanboys would defend it.
Now AZ too, gets a lot of good will from me for, again, trying something new and doing the bare minimum of not being a bugged mess like S/V was BUT Gamefreak and Nintendo need to get their act together and ASAP because they cant just stiffle the "monster catching" competition with lawsuits, they actually need to put out a good product.

>>723721073
>S/V were actually legitimately bad and the only bad games in the mainline franchise
They're way better than SwSh

>>723677019
its not the franchise on its own its the developers. They're terrible at making games and they dont give a crap to do better because they know it'll sell. Gamefreak would go out of business if they lost pokemon. Have you ever played their non-pokemon games? Its some of the most mediocre shit i've seen. Pluseman sucks, Harmoknight is a rhythm game with such a forgettable soundtrack. Drill dozer is alright, Yoshi would be fine if it was an NES launch title but it came out after Castlevania 3, Mario 3, hell the SNES was out too! Gamefreak is a dev studio who has always and will always be behind everyone else. They would of died out in the 90s had it not been for Nintendo and Pokemon.

>Supposedly the heart of the Kalos region
>Barely a half dozen people walking on the main streets
https://youtu.be/eYiAWP-ConA?si=rbWNBjsI0SBUKZa7
Grim.

>>723679156
>All the galarfags vanished once the generation ended

>>723721483
pokemon games are like chewing gum. Once it gets old spit it out, buy another one

>>723679156
Everyone knew it was already good.
>>723721268
lol no. SWSH is king while SV is trash.
>>723721483
We never left.
And with Legends Galar being made we will become stronger than ever.

>>723720072
its bizarre that botw and totk do far more demanding things both gameplay wise and graphics wise and yet run much better

>>723716318
they told us it was necessary to cut all that shit for quality, then they didn't actually raise the bar in any way. you got the same 3d models as on the 3ds, but now they look worse and have the same lazy animations. fucking game freak man

>>723674202 (OP)
interesting in the same way watching a train derail and kill all its passengers, maybe

>>723722154
>they told us it was necessary to cut all that shit for quality, then they didn't actually raise the bar in any way
You should have known that was a lie the moment you played other monster tamers and saw they were worse than pokemon despite dexiting from the start.
Oh wait, you pokefags don't play other games.

>>723721804
>SWSH is king
poketards truly are insane. The E3 months before its release convinced me to stop playing pokemon. Removed Nat Dex, XP share toggle, looked worse than lets go, a game I viewed as a demo. Pokemon going from $40 to $60 really let us see how little regard GF held pokemon in because I guess they forgot $60 was $60 because it was HD with higher standards in graphics. Need I post the tree?

>>723722727
>Removed Nat Dex
opinion discarded

>>723722763
>I want less content
buddy the thing is the models and textures exist. They removed it not out of limitations but lowering the bar. Poketards defend anything and everything

>>723722912
Not him but what the fuck do you mean "way less content"? Transfer only mon can't even be caught normally so it's not like you're exploring for them.
By the way, do you even know what game has the most pokemon anyway?

>>723722314
i havent played pokemon in a decade and a half or so. shit like the dexcut is why

>>723723517
Thanks for proving the point, pokefag.

>>723674202 (OP)
>these games are great if you can ignore the fact that they are actually shit
This person stated the problem with the entire pokemon fanbase without realizing it. Low consumer standards are a plague on gaming.

>>723723960
Question, would you play SMT V instead?

>>723704304
>literal gameboy and 3ds games have better graphics than actual CONSOLE titles
lol. lmao. gamefreak just pumps out shovelware to keep the franchise interest fresh

Why not simply ask Monolith Soft for help? Are they afraid of them stealing their shitty ass IP? Fucking japs I swear

>>723723807
The fuck are you even talking about when I never even said I believed GF's bullshit (which I didn't)? How am I even a Pokefag when I haven't played a game in that long?

>>723677019
I will buy from Nintendo and I will enjoy their games

>>723678000
>Got the Graphics
Why you lying?

>>723679156
In the trash were it belongs

>>723696521
Digimon, SMT, Palworld, etc....

>>723700763
It's a Typhlosion in its natural habitat

>>723674202 (OP)
Pokemon fans are the biggest shit eaters around, we've been over this.

>>723724342
GameFreak be like hmmmm... nyo

>>723674202 (OP)
>It's funny, because if you ignore how dogshit these games are, th-
Stop enabling mediocrity. Pokémon is the highest grossing media franchise on this planet. There is no excuse for the sorry state the modern Pokémon games are in.

>>723677019
most of the pokemon players are in their 30s and 40s lmao

>>723696521
Dokapon kingdom

>>723696521
Spider Solitaire

>>723674202 (OP)
didn't even bother touching Scarlet/violet, but I played Legends Arceus, and I'm almost done with ZA, and yeah the games are much better than the usual turn based Pokemon games, but where Arceous felt experimental, ZA did little to improve upon it....in fact it feels like in some parts it got worse, and so the same issues people have with game freak games persist in the Legends series
>Game Freak has little motivation to improve as they are at the top and not even Palworld managed to tickle them
also I HATE THIS NIGGER SO MUCH HOLY FUCK

>>723724952
Someday I will have frens autistic enough to finish a full game but until then it’s Pokemon 4 me

>>723674202 (OP)
Good Pokemon released in 1998. Who the fuck cares?

>>723674202 (OP)
They're right though. PLA and on are a massive improvement over Sword and Shield. The big issue was that these games are ugly as fuck and the last two ran terribly and were plagued with glitches.

>>723725390
I kinda liked him at first but then my opinion plummeted when the canari stuff happened
It's really sad seeing people go
>He's just like me!

Scarlet was a good concept but bad execution.

>>723725935
>Canari
what's with these subhumans trying to teach kids that simping for e-thots is
>le good and hecking lit
Parasocial attachment to females is a new form of prostitution, i fucking hate it

>>723726581
Pokemon's shilled for celeb culture since Gen 4, minimum.

>>723724396
Nigga, read.

haven't played Z-A yet, but Legends Arceus is so much better than the mainline games immediately before and after it's not even funny.

>>723680935
>The actual focus should be on exploration and adventuring
That's what Z-A is. The battles aren't as deep, so most of your time is exploring the city and hunting for Pokemon.

>>723694854
Mario and Luigi super star saga

>>723674202 (OP)
It feels like people are lying to me when they say SV is good despite all the issues
The only part of the game I remember kinda liking was area zero
The rest of the game was really boring

>>723724657
Let's be honest, they're all worse than pokemon in some major way. I mean hell, SMT regularly goes through worse cuts than Dexit. 4 Apoc had 430 or so demons and Vengeance, the rerelease only had 276 WITH dlc.
Digimon is just a joke, way too many recolors and linear as fuck dungeons and I say that as a Digimon fan.
And Palworld isn't even in the same genre, looks like shit and you don't even control your own monsters

>>723727352
The people who call SV good are talking in comparison to the 8 years of trash preceding it. The only kinda good Pokemon between BW2 and PLA was Sun/Moon, and that game got massively fucked by handholding the player through the whole thing.

>>723727386
>SMT regularly goes through worse cuts than Dexit
SMT doesn't have decades of precedent of being able to carry over your dudes to the next game in the series.

>>723674202 (OP)
You will never be a kid again.

>>723728165
Dexit was a big deal because the prior two gens leaned REALLY hard on the idea that their struggles transitioning to 3D were because they needed to keep abreast of this insane growing roster of monsters. And because they have a fucking subscription service to hold said monsters.

It was a bunch of bullshit and the criticism was well earned, but we're creeping up on a decade past that shit. The post-Dexit games are clearly trying to redefine what Pokemon is now that the promise was broken, so judging them based on whether they keep to that promise is stupid.

>>723680736
who cares about critics score, they are paid shills

>>723728529
>because the prior two gens leaned REALLY hard on the idea that their struggles transitioning to 3D were because they needed to keep abreast of this insane growing roster of monsters.
No?

>>723728165
So, basically you're lowering your standards for SMT.

>>723729185
Are you seriously going to pretend people didn't excuse a lot of X and Y's bullshit with
>Making the jump to 3D is so hard!!?

>>723677019
Correction, it's a game for 6 year olds. If you're still following the franchise after x/y as a grown adult you have actual problems

>>723728165
Kind of irrelevant to the point since it's about what you do in the game. That's half the demons to find in Vengeance than in Apocalypse.
To put it into perspective since BW2 pokemon had had roughly 400 mon to find in each game, including the post dexit games.

>>723729370
>a lot of X and Y's bullshit
bullshit like what?

>>723729370
Are you under the impression that random people online are gamefreak? We aren't talking about the general public

>>723728141
>The people who call SV good are talking in comparison to the 8 years of trash preceding it
No, SV is absolutely better than gen 4 and 5.

>>723677019
Let the trillion dollar franchise alone

>>723730012
>Talking about online perception and how people talked about the games
>"Uh, are you mistaking us for GAME FREAK?? Who cares about the general public?"
ESL, bot, or just stupid? Which one, buddy?

>>723730075
I can't agree with that but I'm glad you had fun.
>>723729984
You mean aside from the terrible single player balance, terrible new monster roster, endless Kanto shilling, awful writing, Megas being a complete meme, and the lack of content? Multiplayer was good, but that's about it.

twitter and its consequences have been a disaster for the internet

>>723674202 (OP)
I fucking despise the secondaries who jumped in after pokémon Go dropped, Gamefeak's always been shit but that tipped the scales even more, all soul gone.

>>723730341
Nta but player customization and multiplayer were enough for me to really enjoy XY, player customization especially was a huge deal. XY added a LOT of good features. I don’t like megas though.

>>723730537
I mean I can agree with that. As a multiplayer cleanup it's really solid. But as a single player game it was absolutely terrible.

>>723730210
>Talking about online perception and how people talked about the games
You aren't. In fact the only time you did was here
>It was a bunch of bullshit and the criticism was well earned, but we're creeping up on a decade past that shit
English isn't your first language, is it.

>>723730341
>You mean aside from the terrible single player balance,
that’s every pokemon game
>terrible new monster roster,
100 new pokemon isn’t terrible
>endless Kanto shilling,
that’s every pokemon game
>awful writing
that’s every pokemon game
>Megas being a complete meme,
“complete meme” yet ended up being an extremely popular mechanic
>and the lack of content
it has more content than BW and DP

>>723730075
no, they absolutely aren't you slop slurping faggot. maybe better than the dogshit xy trash you shill though

>>723730656
>100
70.
>But Megas!
Kys

>>723730670
No he's right about gen 4 at least. That gen was abysmal.

>>723674202 (OP)
Scarlet and Violet would be laughed at 10 times harder if it wasn't a pokemon game

>>723730813
In your dreams shitskin

>>723730813
>m-muh fire typerino
than every gen before it is shit too

>>723730957
What are the dex #s for the mega slop?

>>723730973
It's more the fact that gen 4 was just a rehash of gen 3 and the mon all had horrendous designs

>>723731052
That doesn't mean jackshit, it added more to the formula than 5, 6, or 7 and all the switch gens did was make ugly open worlds. It's nice it carred over ribbons, the factory, etc. Dilate faggot

>>723731187
>>723731052
and most of the designs are kino too. second best starter trio, gliscor, garchomp, gliscor, weavile, luxray, electivire, togekiss, rotom, etc. shit tasted retard

>>723731043
This one is #35. Maybe you should play the game and find out the rest for yourself.

>>723731307
And the nat dex number? Their pokemon home number?

>>723674202 (OP)
I think it's a good thing that GF is finally changing up the formula and doing new things with the games but the games themselves are still too low quality to care about. I don't see any reason to play any pokemon game past gen 5. 5 gens worth of good games, I don't really need more than that. I'll pick up the series again when they make something actually good not just low quality but different.

>>723730973
>>m-muh fire typerino
and the dogshit performance
and the dogshit map design
and the non-existent exploration and constant railroading
and the dogshit writing

>>723731374
I already gave you the dex number anon. Stop coping.

>>723731384
>gen 4
>gen 5
>good
nice bait

>>723731431
Yes Gen 5 is the highest quality games pokemon has ever had. Gen 4 is good so long as you use speedhacks.
I will no longer acknowledge your meaningless shitposts so don't bother responding.

>>723731431
>>723731393
>>723731374
Oh yawn, XY will always be considered the worst games by everyone with an IQ over 100 and megas will never be considered real Pokemon. How does that make you feel?

>>723731523
>Yes Gen 5 is the highest quality games pokemon has ever had
true

>"ZA is a spin-off game, it's not SUPPOSED to be as good as the mainline games"
>is more expensive then the mainline games

>>723731187
>it added more to the formula than 5, 6, or 7 and all the switch gens did was make ugly open worlds.
Not really. It added the physical special split but that doesn't change the formula of the game in any strong way.
Double battles and Abilities did
Powers did
Mega evolution did
Terastalizing did

Gen 4? Nothing

>>723731257
Just because you like them doesn't mean that they're good or look like Pokemon, there's a reason why that gen started the "they're like Digimon" thing.

>>723730957
>Can't use them together in a battle.
>"They're a real Pokemon"
Cope

>>723731657
>true
About time yawntranny conceded.

>>723732159
>this fucking faggot
Lmao, like I said last time, stick to crying about muh god Pokemon. It's obvious a dude in a Lucario fursuit fucked your mom or something to be this autistic with hating Gen IV
>there's a reason why that gen started the "they're like Digimon" thing.
People have been saying that since Gen 3. Just because you have dogshit taste doesn't make them bad

>It added the physical special split
And running indoors
And infinite bag space
Add Wi-Fi set
GTS
Tons of new hold items
etc
None of the shit you listed even comes close. Temporary battle gimmicks cut after a single gen and Powers which are more associated with XY? You're fucking delusional lmao