Thread 724545310

>Sir, shouldn't we make the first boss not hellishly difficult in this children's dungeon crawler
>No. Let them suffer

>>724545310 (OP)
Game name? Reverse image search didn't help.

>>724545368
Degrees of Lewdity.

>>724545310 (OP)
>tfw on my first playthrough i suffered through the first stratum with double ninja only to get absolutely assraped extra hard for my decision from the boss

>>724545310 (OP)
How hard can it be?

>>724545368
Chrono Ark

>>724545368
One of the Etrian Odyssey games, not sure which because I never played 2 and 3.

>>724545368
This nigga doesn't know EO.

>>724545310 (OP)
Is it really a children’s dungeon crawler, though?

In EO1's remake I still get fucked over by Iron Crabs in the final stratum.
They didn't do anything in the original game but this one they can just party wipe you because you didn't focus on killing all of them asap before anything else or only killed one in a group pf 3.

>>724545310 (OP)
Towards the end in EO games, 5 different character's with unique skills and equipment felt too much and overloading.

I think 4 characters would be perfect, but the 5 man team in EO felt like it perfected its formula

>>724545594
Thank you.
>>724545601
Only Jarpig I've played is Chrono Trigger. I'm not familiar with the genre outside of surface-level games.

>>724545310 (OP)
Don't know which EO game that is but EO 1 certainly did not have a tough 1st boss but maybe I'm biased since it wasnt my first Wizardry-like

>>724545815
ok

>>724545310 (OP)
>Have Arbalest
>Invest in electric skill that hits all targets
You're welcome

>>724545310 (OP)
Why can't they bring the remakes or 4 to PC? Did the HD collection flop that hard?

>>724545601
Not everyone knows every single piece of tranimeshit out there

>>724546008
Yes but also 4 sucks + you can easily emulate it + you should ask for a new game

>>724545743
>Only Jarpig I've played is Chrono Trigger. I'm not familiar with the genre outside of surface-level games.

CT is pretty much peak jrpg so any jrpg you'd play after that would be kind of boring in comparison.

>>724545310 (OP)
I wouldn't consider the EO games to be targeted towards children.

They're not inappropriate for kids to play because they don't really contain much in the way of explicit content. But most kids would probably bounce off them hard unless they were already into turn-based RPGs (which for well over a decade by now has been the minority)

>official artist
https://exhentai.org/tag/artist:himukai+yuji

>>724545926
Thanks. I'm trying it. Zodiac isn't as good as I was expecting. Gotta switch out your farmer on the big battles I guess.

Music goes hard for these stupid fish battles

>>724545621
In the sense that it only appeals and attracts a playerbase of mentally stunted children, yes. Everything seems difficult when you're retarded.

>>724549686
These games are difficult for 99% of people because they don't have the autistic DNA strand

>>724549686
I just realized you haven't played this series...

>>724545310 (OP)
>children's dungeon crawler
it is a dungeon crawler with childs, not a children's dungeon crawler

>>724547801
Zodiac can get Binary Thunder in term for Narmer. Besides, you probably got baited and invested into the stars beyond 1 point instead of beelining Singularity/Charge like most players.

>>724547801
Farmer? This game does not tolerate bullshit like that. Restart and make a proper party. And then make 5 farmers for farming runs.

>>724551534
I am not restarting

>>724550218
>y-you didn't get filtered so you didn't play it
Riveting.

>>724545310 (OP)
Just grind more. ETRIAN IS HARDDD meme is overrated.

>>724545310 (OP)
>hellishly difficult
Bro that shit runs away halfway through the fight and gives you chance to heal up at the nearby campsite

>>724551652
You don't have to tryhard to me baby

Etrian Odyssey like any dungeon crawler is easy as long as you make a competent team.
>>724545594
>>724545743
It's specifically Etrian Odyssey 3

>>724545310 (OP)
Most of EO3's bosses are closer to puzzles than regular bossfights where having the right moves makes them a thousand times easier. This guy for example is kind of a joke if you have electricity and anything that hits all enemies. For your first playthrough it's probably a good idea to leave a couple skill points on everyone uninvested so you can grab things to counter each boss after you get to them.

>>724545368
lurk two more years before posting bitch

>>724545310 (OP)
>Go through the pain of setting up a formaldehyde kill
>Rare mat makes gear that's way too expensive to ever get at this stage for a class I'm not playing

>>724553474
That just happened to me lol. I was trying to get the pauldrons and I got the materials and it was 17,900 gold lmao. I was like 170 gold pls

That's not a jrpg, that's a wizardrylike.

>>724549686
Nah, this shit is hard.
Anyway, in an hour or so your cutscene is over and you can play your vidya again, snoy

>>724553848
All JRPGs are ultimatively Wizardry derivatives.

My favourite EO is still very first one on NDS. Not remakes, not later titles. Despite all shortcomings and lack of QoL stuff. The one and only.

>>724554079
Because you were a bab playing it under the covers

>>724545310 (OP)
EO3 kind of sucks to start out with compared to the first two games because so many skills are investment traps that do basically no damage. Once you look online to find out which skills are actually useful then the game becomes much better.

>>724549578
>:0 :| :o :o

>>724554693
I was 17 back then, actually.

>>724553474
better question is why are you using formaldehyde to unlock an item youre not planning to use

>>724555848
Not playing the game with a guide

>>724554981
That's like all of the first three EOs, they all have shit where the scaling makes no sense or the skill is just trash by design.

>>724556518
Fortunately they fixed this in the later titles.

>>724556462
What you don't have 20 years of Wiki Gamefaqs experience?

>>724556518
It didn't feel as bad in EO1 and 2. Idk maybe I just got lucky with the skills I picked out in those games.

>>724545310 (OP)
>using brown toons

>>724549578
It shows up in every mainline EO game after

https://youtu.be/UEsgRhIhHf8?si=dJFV-AwDszURzIXK

https://youtu.be/Cw6Wc3VzNzE?si=z9DXYjj672TX2_E-

https://youtu.be/p5NsE5c8TRU?si=OjtoEG5COM_kPWGH

Its criminal that there was no Nexus remix

https://youtu.be/UGipCwTA1RI?si=X9jp4X3tn_k5doGh

Debating between beating the post game for eo1 or just moving on to eo2, I have quite the amount of games to play to spend hours on each post game.

>>724557317
At least we got this awesome remix

https://youtu.be/LU76ObF-zZ0?si=IX2A6eS-tK5x8WoF

I unironically check Gematsu daily hoping for news of a new Etrian Odyssey game. I have done this for years. Hopefully soon they'll announce one for Switch 2. Or maybe a re-release of the 3DS ones. Please god, anything.

>>724545368
>Game name? Reverse image search didn't help.
Watch out, it's turn-based and has a lot of words and numbers.

>>724557063
>maybe I just got lucky with the skills I picked out in those games
You did, I don't have the pictures saved with the actual numbers but EO2 is full of retarded shit like the Landsknecht's move that gains damage with life lost doing less damage at 1% HP than moves with no HP scaling a the same level and TP cost or the beast roar that scales from like 5% accuracy to 10% across 5 points and then jumps to 75% for the last one.

>>724551597
Then sub out your farmer for someone usable and get him to level while it's still not a huge pain to do so. Farmers are for gathering teams only.

>>724557607
If you're playing the DS or Origins version, know that the postgame is the purist form of suffering. Some of the most "fuck you" dungeon design decisions ever put to code, like the holes. Oh god the holes.Untold is a bit better.

>>724553172
>For your first playthrough it's probably a good idea to leave a couple skill points on everyone uninvested so you can grab things to counter each boss after you get to them.
It's funny, when I said I do this a couple months ago, /v/ gaslighted me like I'm some kind of neurotic weirdo for being basically risk averse in a game where character builds are semi-permanent. Of course I later realized everyone is just going down to Picnic to re-grind their builds, which grants accelerated exp rates and easy farming and makes respeccing trivial. But at the time I was rawdogging everything, and it feels terrible getting to a stratum boss and realizing your builds are bad. One of the problems I have with these games, the "points poverty" - better to pretend you have fewer skill points than you do than to invest early and regret it later.

who or what built the star devourer? it obviously looks like some kind of robot/spaceship

3 = 4 > 5 > 2 > 1

>>724562087
Who knows but considering the game takes place on a terraformed Mars and the post-game dungeon is you traveling to Earth you make a few guesses

>>724557746
Nexus remixes were dogshit other than Undersea Grotto, anon.

>>724562382
Nah the Eo3 theme is fire

>>724561915
Sometimes it's more about how you say it than what you're saying

>>724561915
People still pushed on even without picnic mode/grinding all that much even before those were available.

>>724545310 (OP)
The sea fairing stuff in EO3 kinda fucking sucked tbqh senpai

>>724562652
It was sovl and also entirety optional

>>724562097
I actually agree with this.

>>724562652
The actual minigame is cool, being forced to sub out your units for the shitty quest units during battles was not.

>>724558516
I wonder if that rumor about the three 7s in the next direct is true. If they offically decide Nexus is 6, then we could get it there

>>724545368
Etrian Odyssey 3. HD collection on steam for 1-3. Nexus is coolest for just jumping in though.
That boss is Narmer:
https://etrian.fandom.com/wiki/Narmer

>>724545621
Absolutely not. OP is just a bitch.
>>724546371
This is correct. It's odd how some people see colors other than brown/gray/red and automatically think it's cocomelon or some shit.

>>724545815
Cernunnos can catch unaware players off guard with the counters for sure.

>>724558516
Honestly I tried the remakes and I just can't play these games on anything that isn't DS hardware. I appreciate Atlus making them purchasable in SOME form, but honestly I would be left satisfied if the franchise just ended here. 8 amazing games and some solid spinoffs is a great achievement for any franchise.

>children's
my man look at the shadows that indicate not only the location but size of her breasts, this game was made for fully grown lolicons

>>724545310 (OP)
nortubel tier boss

>>724562536
You either have to have the right stats (level) or have the right skills. There's no amount of tactics that can make a losing matchup into a winning one. And it's not like anyone is psychic and know what's good in advance. Picnic solves a problem that the games have - the obvious need to respec about midway through the game, but the annoying grind that comes with it. Generally you just do it once, after you've built up some points and seen what works and what doesn't. The problem is that what works isn't clear until around the 3rd stratum.

>>724562652
It's neat until you realize how linear it actually is

qrd on the schizo posting "nortubel" in every thread?

>three months later I still haven’t beaten abyssal god
yes it’s hard

>>724562983
1. Untold is retarded
2. Even in the original Lost Shinjuku is at the bottom of the labyrinth

EO 2 takes place in Russia, EO 3 takes place in Malaysia, and EO 5 takes place on Mars

>>724563181
It's the dev advertising his game, despite the fact that he's still probably 6 years out from it being finished enough to be worth advertising.

>>724561915
I only leave skill point uninvested in the later games where you're locked from skills due to how they change the progression. Otherwise, I'm always building towards something.

eo5 had some nicely shaped potatoes

>>724545310 (OP)
It was not that hard and I was using a party with very little damage:
>front mortar arbalist
>hoplite
>prince
>multi-element zodiac
>monk

>>724563170
It doesn't help that 3 is probably the worst game in the series in regards to having not only noob trap skills but even noob trap classes.

>>724563064
you can see nipples on the monk girl

Arbalest mogs everyone in eo3

>>724563774
And on EO4 loli dancer

>>724563972
EO4 dancer doesn't have nipples in any of the actual games, only the art book.

>>724563759
I'd argue that reward goes to 2. Holy fuck so many things noob trapped me in that game.

you'd think switch 2 having a mouse mode would be a good opportunity to revive the series. sega being sega I suppose.

>>724564060
Yeah you're right 2 is worse, I just think of 3 that way cause i've played it way more.

>>724564173
Using a mouse still doesn't compare to having a touch screen. It's irreplacable.

>>724552630
>Etrian Odyssey like any dungeon crawler is easy as long as you make a competent team.
You don't really need a "competent team"
You need to be familiar with the systems and mechanics. There are some autists who will never use items for some reason despite the games showering you with them.

>>724564278
the hd collection is playable on pc
never had trouble emulating the games either

>>724545368
lurk a lot moar, newfag

>>724564192
I can't count the ways 2 fucked me up as my first game.
>Wow, Allslash hits a group of enemies multiple times, it must be like those broken multihit moves in other games
>only hits once per enemy, and it's expensive and it sucks anyways
>Wow, a passive that lets me hit twice with normal attacks? A passive that lets me counter physical attacks? Awesome
>the chance is low even at max level
>A passive that lets my whole party recover HP every turn? That sounds useful.
>It recovers 5 HP per turn at max, it's not even percentage based
I could keep going on and on about it.

>>724563945
Sexy brown Arbalest is the hottest female in EO, but I can't bring myself to use her. Something about this one model specifically always screams out "This is the guy", and through five runs I've picked specifically this one as my team A/G.

>>724553370
>>724559115
>>724564752
You niggers are miserable. I've heard of EO. I just didn't recognise it from OP's screenshot.

>>724564951
That's a weird way of saying eye-patch Dragoon from

ETRIAN ODYSSEY: NEXT
WILL BE
REAL!!!!

>>724564951
More of a sexy redhead arbalest guy myself

>>724565335
Good. Leave.

If your party isn't all scantily clad lolis then you're objectively playing this game wrong

>>724545310 (OP)
Was Narmer hard? I don't remember him being that bad.

>>724565836
It makes the first boss nearly impossible but it's worth it

>>724565675
the graveyard part was at least honest if not prophetic

The best Etrian Odyssey game is Untold 2.

>>724565975
It's better than Untold 1 at least

>>724565335
ok zoomie

>>724566062
I love how OP poison was. In most games you poison the enemy and it chips them, or they resist, and it's shit. But in this it can be your main damage for most of the game. Very cool.

>>724565892
99% of people who got filtered at Narmer were basically just cruising through the dungeon, avoiding FoE's, and never really needing to worry about synergies or other class mechanics that can inflict colossal damage or make the party borderline unkillable. Narmer is basically the synergy check, and if you actually have your party well put together, you can eviscerate him with ease. If your party has been cruising on hitting "attack" and only using skills to beat away scary big monsters before running back to town, you're going to have a very bad time.

I like 5 a lot its really good but it just didn't hit the same way 3 and 4 did

>>724567060
Yeah I agree, I'm not sure why I like it less because the gameplay is arguably better

>>724565558
She would be my go-to if not for old man dragoon

>>724566551
It's just a damage race. Every EO boss fight is a damage race. If you have the bigger damage dick, you win. If you have a Ninja in your party, the odds of you winning the Narmer damage race are lower than if you have an Arbalist instead.

>>724567060
Considering 1U, 2U, and PQ1 ALL came between 4 and 5, the changes to the dungeon design leading to severe corridor > puzzle > corridor > puzzle > repeat made it underwhelming. That and the fact that they went with too "less" into the "less is more" concept like the OG NDS entries and it also feels smaller too.

>>724567587
3 just has amazing presentation

>>724561915
>Of course I later realized everyone is just going down to Picnic to re-grind their builds
No I don't
Do redditors really do this?

>>724567752
And class synergy is how you get big damage

>>724567765
True, now that you mention it all of 5s dungeons are just hallway > FOE movement puzzle > hallway > FOE movement puzzle. I'll have to replay 4 and see if it feels like that

>>724567752
The only part with Narmer that can remotely trip you up is when he dives and if you just have everyone attack a different target, you're more likely to win the check than fail.

EO is kino because the boss encounters actually feel like holy shit moments. And when you're cornered by a FOE it can be really dreadful if you're not prepared.

>>724568064
Still easier than Strange Journey and Wizardry

>>724567895
Earlygame 4 had some but it wasn't that bad.
Lategame with Echoing Library, Forgotten Capital, and especially Hall of Darkness you can tell that they're a whole bunch of puzzle rooms for the most part.
Nonetheless, probably the most damning floor in the game for most/all players is B1F for Misty Ravine.

>>724567897
You won't outdamage him if you're underleveled and have no good damage skills. I dunno why anons think they're so wickedly intelligent for smacking EO bosses. Every boss is a dual level and skill check.
I had a damagelet Ninja that was good at mob control, but bad at fighting bosses, and a Glad that did like nothing to him. Zodiac helped but she wasn't enough on her own. So I needed to grind like 2 or 3 more levels (to level ~14) to even damage Narmer quickly enough. Once I did that, it was easy.

>>724568128
Strange Journey isn't that hard. And Redux made the game even easier.
Ouroboros and Mom are the only difficult points.

I wish that Atlus would make EO game on PC. Just because I love the series and the gameplay. I have yet to find equally pleasant to play Wizardry clone (and I only played Wizardry 8 - I might be 35 and started with Atari but I simply cannot endure Wizardry 6 or 7 graphics).

>>724567895
I think FOEs are one of the best things about this franchise so I don't really see why that's an issue, having to maneuver around them with their patterns matching the player movement is something pretty unique to the franchise. And this was still a huge element of EO3 and 4. There's entire floors dedicated to maneuvering around them.
The issue is the games kinda suffer from QoL creep nowadays so there's a lot of ways to make FOE encounters unimpactful. Especially in the HD collection which allows you to save anywhere and just reload if you fuck up the puzzle. If they kept older FOE mechanics like not being able to escape if you're backed into a wall, then they would be more impactful.

>>724568406
Redux doesnt count. And SJ's Labyrinths as a whole are harder than EO

>>724549686
You can apply this logic to any game.

>>724568428
6 has an SNES version with music and better graphics

>>724568473
I've played through SJ three times now and idk how people shit their pants every time they get to Eridanus and see a dark hallway or a teleporter maze. Maybe if it were a teleporter maze IN a dark hallway. But they're separate.

>>724568430
It just gets old. There are other ways to do puzzles in DRPGs

It's a shame they are not more popular

>>724568853
I agree, but it's still harder than what you see in EO dungeons

>>724568430
I think if they go with that direction, they should make them more complex if anything. Say what you will about Persona Q but they sure put some effort into the 3rd and 4th dungeons.

>>724568337
>grind to 14
Can't remember the last time I went that high for Narmer.
Last run was Hoplite/Wildling/Zodiac/Bucc/Monk and I cleared him at like 12.

>>724569091
I mean, yes, once you've done it and know exactly what to do, you'll use your points more efficiently. I needed the extra levels to max out Etheric Charge to even damage him with my only competent damage dealer in Zodiac, and my healing was limited with only a Sovereign and a Hoplite.
Different parties will be more or less equipped to handle different tasks. It has little to do with some innate personal failure and more to do with possessing meta knowledge that you can't possibly have on a blind run.

>>724568473
when eo does a teleport maze there's consistent rules to it and you're given the tools to map it, so the player is at fault if they don't recognize the patterns or map correctly. I remember people shitting on redux because it gave you the ability to see where a teleporter goes after going through it once and that's insane to me.

>>724569490
So EO is casual and SJ isnt

Wizardry doesnt auto map at all so even if you're keeping a good map, if you unknowingly step through a teleporter theres a good chance you have no idea where you are

>>724565779
I've been here longer than you, you drooling retard. I don't typically touch Fatlus, but I'm going to play this game just to spite you, you sordid, bitter cunt. This is why you have no friends.

>>724569490
Redux is trash, the teleporter maze in Sector E is easy and if you need the map to hold your hand to navigate it then you're a fucking retard

>>724569837
based stubborn mule getting into good games

>>724545310 (OP)
>Eo3
>hard
OG 2 is the hardest by a fucking country mile kiddo. 3 is the peak of the series. All the remakes are literal downgrade to the originals, just emulate them bro.

>>724568929
I don't know why my mind went here, but would it be hard to make a DRPG in RPG Maker? It feels like something someone could easily make their own autistically bloated Elona-esque "I put everything in here and I don't care" game, but every time I see a "dungeon crawler" it's just the usual top-down title.

>>724565335
You didn't deserve the heat.

>>724545310 (OP)
>first boss
>hellishly difficult
first time I beat it I was running a party of Buccaneer x5 with nothing but quick draw
EO3 is probably one of the easier EOs when it comes to main story bosses

>>724573038
Eo4 and every game after are easier

>>724562983
>>724563227
>spoiling the plot twist at the beginning of your game
Weird move.

>>724573530
They didn't spoil that Shinjuku is at the bottom of the labyrinth though??

>>724573179
early game EO4 is way harder than early game EO3 by virtuo of being forced to use shitty classes instead of the incredibly fun and overpowered ones you unlock later
and anything past the early game barely matters in most EO games cause they're made by atlus and follow the same game design formula of
>hard early game
>piss easy midgame to endgame
>final boss difficulty spike (sometimes)
>didn't even bother to playtest post-game

>>724573859
>early game EO4 is way harder than early game EO3
Nah

>>724573038
Your first time playing EO3 you made an all buccaneer gimmick team?
Why?

The hardest story boss is that dragon in 3. I had raise two new characters and use a cheese strat (buccaneers chasing) in order yo win. Took me absolutely ages

>>724574030
because they looked cool and there was a ship minigame
I also called my guild Pirates

>>724574327
Buccaneer chase isn't cheese in 3 it's actually really shitty

Fencer chase really good in 5 though

>>724573859
>shitty classes
Lol. You get access to beasts like NS from Day 1.

>>724569413
>my healing was only limited to
Use items
>my damage
Use limits and have up to date gear.
Zodiac scales stupidly with each tec charm

>>724573859
>early game EO4 is way harder
>EO4
>harder than any other entry
>at any point
>with the strongest class roster relative to enemy damage output
Anon, I think you just suck or had EO4 as your first game.

>>724575895
nightseeker is lame and all of his really good skills are unlocked at 40
I guess the dual wield is pretty good if you can proc a status effect for the extra damage boost (good luck doing that on bosses/FOEs)

>>724576302
Bosses are incredibly susceptible to status ailments and binds in EO4 what are you talking about anon

>>724576302
>All of his really good skills are unlocked at 40
No.

>>724576302
>dual wield
You ignore that until when you're ready for Follow Trace.
Ice Knife, Shadow Bite and Sand Throw with their class skill are enough for most of the game.

>>724576378
you say that but I benched my NS after unlocking bushi cause even with maxed out throws he would never get procs
maybe I just got unlucky for hours on end

>>724576597
You're supposed to wear +luck accessory and sub arcanist if you want a wholly self sufficient ns.
If you're damage maxing with NS/B, then you bring A/NS along with ailment forged daggers.

>>724576130
I found 3 to be way easier and I was running my meme pirate team
maybe the classes starting classes just didn't click for me
>>724576594
>You ignore that until when you're ready for Follow Trace.
I found it to be a pretty reliable source of damage and a better way to inflict ailments thanks to forges

>>724576035
What item helps you damage a boss you're not doing enough damage to? I was already using smart earrings and still getting outdamaged. You know what actually helped? The skill that triples magic attack damage, that I didn't have enough points for without some grinding.

Do you guys actually bother to 100% complete these games with all items and quests and monsters? I never did until i played the hd trilogy, it's actually pretty fun. Next is doing it in 4 but i know that one has a million qr codes which makes it kinda annoying, also i wish it had an hd port

>>724577029
Yes.
>EO4 HD
They'd have to modify it since the rightmost medal for the guild card requires you to find all of the QR code chests in the overworld.

>>724576781
I know how much damage NK can do, but I still found Bushi and Imperial to be way more realiable damage sources since they don't rely on rng at all
so I went with Arcanist+Sniper for binds and ditched status effects
still mad bushi didn't make it in Nexus while shit like ronin and survivalist did

>>724577346
>spoiler
Blame the JP fans that voted for their favorite classes.

>>724577346
If we're talking strictly numbers then Bushi and Imperial arent worth bringing. They are fun classes though

>>724577413
honesly I blame Atlus the most for not having every class ever when all of them bar the ones from 3 where already there and all they needed was to tweak the numbers a little

>>724577473
>They are fun classes though
that's why I like them so much

>>724545310 (OP)
>children's dungeon crawler
Etrian Odyssey is not a children's game.

EO 5 being on Mars was pretty cool

>play SNES version of Wizardry 5
>realize EO is literally just Wizardry

>>724577927
Yeah

>>724545310 (OP)
>Narmer
>difficult
What

>>724545926
That passive that makes you so more damage if the enemy has more health than you is great too. Enemies pretty much always have more health than the Arbalest, so it's functionally always up. And if the enemy has lower health, it's close enough to dying that the damage boost is irrelevant.

>>724578717
You kind of need to max that out first because Arbalist TP pools can barely handle 2-3 basic bolt shots before running out of TP in the first few floors anyway.

No tanks
No healers
Final destination

>>724578984
>Head Snipe'd by a sniper
>can't cast anything

>>724545368
You’re expected to know every game ever released

>>724578984
who needs healers and tanks when everything dies in one turn anyway

>>724545310 (OP)
Isn’t Nemer the easiest 1st strata boss?

>>724572349
late reply but I seen a webm of a first person dungeon that even had the map making
I forgot to save it but it's possible

>>724576130
>with the strongest class roster relative to enemy damage output
That's V thougheverbeit

>>724551597
Don't listen to that moron. I've beaten the entire game with a farmer in my party and it's way better than people give it credit for. Max rank lullaby trivializes 90% of random encounters if you give your farmer equipment to increase their speed like daggers/boots, Earth's Bounty gives 30% exp to everyone in the party at max rank, and they have every utility tool you could ever want.

At the end of the 2nd stratum you can subclass your farmer to whatever you want for boss fights too.

>>724562382
man fuck you the waterfall wood remix is beautiful

>>724583251
Farmer is suboptimal but functional to an extent for most of the game. Subclassing them to Ninja is hilarious because their higher luck means they can proc the instant death on attack more frequently than other classes.

They are basically a waste of a slot in boss fights though. They can't really do much outside of throwing items and basically any class can fill that role.

>>724583702
I agree, most of the remixes in Nexus are fine at worst. If any game had raped remixes, it was Untold 1. Holy shit it was criminal what they did to that game's soundtrack.

>>724584031
Everything about Untold 1 was criminal, easily my least favorite EO, probably the only one I would even say I outright dislike. It stopped me from buying Untold 2 which I now regret, Untold 2 and Nexus are the only ones I dont own physically copies of

>>724573661
They spoil the entire story of Etrian Odyssey/Millennium Girl on floor 2 of the main dungeon.

>>724584790
I dont care about that

EO 1, 2 and 3 are on sale right now, sell me on this game.
I only it has lolis, but how are the games?

>>724583827
They're not "sub-optimal" in general, just not a class that's not designed for combat. Their exploration skills are actually very good and a main party farmer will make a lot of parts of the game much smoother. They can work perfectly well as an ailment/bind/support role in combat depending on how you subclass them. I used a farmer/gladiator and both the arm bind and panic club skills work well with farmer. Landing panic against any boss can lead to a few turns of burst damage if RNG goes your way. The main thing is just to not expect damage out of them.

>>724585018
Dungeon crawlers with a really tight battle system.

Maybe it's time I replay etrian 1. I hate that I left the super bosses and final stratum unfinished.

>>724585018
Dungeon crawlers with a great battle systems and good music. The dungeon crawling is a bit on the easier side but they're great games

>>724585240
>>724585385
Better give it a try then, thanks

>>724585018
It's easily one of my favorite game series of all time. I like it so much because it has not just one thing that appeals to me but many. Loli and young cute/flat female portraits are in fact one of those things but it also has good game-play, music, party building, and so on. I'd recommend starting with 3 if you can only get one of them and want a better first impression. 1 is honestly kind of weak because the series was just starting and trying to find it's footing. I like 2 more than 1 but it also has some more different design choices when compared to the rest of the series. Then again, starting with 1 is okay if you can handle a more mechanically dated game, just know that most people that praise EO's combat are referring to later entries. 1 has painfully simple random encounters and class design unfortunately, it gets much better as the series goes on.

Speaking of oh ess tee, I found this channel a while ago that's been doing FM remakes/demakes of etriam stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq65QvxzPbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNQkPOXEQTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFGnzEUMo5s
it's bretty good

Is there a good recent dungeon crawler in the same vein as EO?

Kinda sucks that EO felt like it barely improved in each iteration

>>724585902
I could've sworn Koshiro released FM synth versions of EO4 songs but I guess it was 5

https://youtu.be/vn_t6LCxqIs?si=5-3JTpxxmdVxxxB0

>>724586098
Wizardry holds up depending on the version you play. Wizardry 1 got a UE 5 remake last year.

https://youtu.be/rbKpViQdyR4?si=3GTvoCMYHsuDLojc

Strange Journey is good (not the 3ds remake). SMT 3 also but it's not a blobber.

Some people like Experience's dungeon crawlers but I think they're all bland and easy personally.

Dungeon Travelers 2 is alright

>>724586098
just play dcss brah

>>724586307
Oh also Elminage Gothic

As for me, its https://youtu.be/kLFP17IvTno?si=jJgMKInEsMQ5GDUR

>>724585902
>look at channel details
>they're working on the nexus final boss theme
https://x.com/RePoofy/status/1978137072624894448?s=19

Best town theme

5's porn saxophone comes close though

https://youtu.be/kPxokkQlcFc?si=W6Kc3Xxa7rG14vYs