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Anonymous No.724653339 [Report] >>724655397 >>724657109 >>724663052 >>724663243 >>724663317 >>724664672 >>724665023 >>724666190 >>724667184 >>724667861 >>724668113 >>724669092 >>724669424 >>724669851 >>724670621 >>724670760 >>724675383 >>724676107 >>724677250 >>724681568 >>724681896
*cums*

why is morrowind's combat so fucking good /v/ros?
Anonymous No.724654129 [Report] >>724654339 >>724655225 >>724665023 >>724667185 >>724679281
back when elder scrolls was an rpg
Anonymous No.724654263 [Report] >>724665023 >>724675015
It fulfills its purpose, if I wanted a hack n slash I would have played ninja gaiden
Anonymous No.724654339 [Report] >>724654581 >>724654795 >>724657843 >>724658352 >>724665023
>>724654129
if “rpg” stands for “really phucking gay”, maybe
Anonymous No.724654563 [Report] >>724665023 >>724678484
hit% is more realistic
Anonymous No.724654581 [Report] >>724665023
>>724654339
>phucking
zesty post
Anonymous No.724654795 [Report] >>724665023
>>724654339
'rpg' stands for really pretty good
Anonymous No.724655225 [Report] >>724655434 >>724655502 >>724665023 >>724682624
>>724654129
>rpg is when dogshit real time combat no feedback
Anonymous No.724655397 [Report] >>724665023 >>724678676
>>724653339 (OP)
For me its levitating above my enemies and stabbing then in the head with a spear
Anonymous No.724655434 [Report] >>724656831 >>724665023 >>724670791
>>724655225
Rpg is usually when stats affect combat yeah. Skyrim has no rpg elements.
Anonymous No.724655502 [Report] >>724656831
>>724655225
>no feedback
Hyperbolic nigger
Anonymous No.724656831 [Report] >>724658636 >>724667602 >>724690427
>>724655434
Skyrim has weapon/spell damage, it's affected by perks (which make character progression feel better btw), so you're wrong. It also has more playstyles thanks to actually working stealth system.

>>724655502
Where's the feedback in OP's video?
>u-um akshully u le missed....
The sword clearly connects with the enemy.
>w-welllllll u see its akshully le dice roll and theres stats and and and its le so complex.....
It's dogshit. This isn't a CRPG where you control a party and actions play out in rounds, it's an action game. An action game with dogshit combat. Combat so dogshit in fact that it's never been tried ever since.
Anonymous No.724657109 [Report] >>724657454 >>724657519 >>724665073
>>724653339 (OP)
I always find this strawman really funny because not even the most hardcore Morrowind fan says that the combat is good - at best the mechanics behind it are good - so it just shows that the haters have no clue what they're on about
Anonymous No.724657208 [Report] >>724659678 >>724690427
I thought Morrowind was praised for its writing and world building thoughbeit?
Anonymous No.724657454 [Report] >>724657735 >>724676172
>>724657109
>not even the most hardcore Morrowind fan says that the combat is good
morrowposers fellate every single thing about the game to virtue signal their "good old new bad" stance
>at best the mechanics behind it are good
"I don't like actully playing the game but I sure do like thinking about it" yep, that about sums up what morrowposers are all about
Anonymous No.724657519 [Report] >>724659109 >>724691265
>>724657109
>at best the mechanics behind it are good
morrownigger really couldn't fully admit that the game's combat was shit
Anonymous No.724657735 [Report] >>724658080
>>724657454
Todd's not gonna let you hit lil bro.
go enjoy starfield if you like it so much.
Anonymous No.724657843 [Report]
>>724654339
KEK
Anonymous No.724658080 [Report] >>724659405
>>724657735
???
todd also worked on morrowind

I just love it when morrowposers self-report like that. you aren't even a fan, you're just some retard who thinks liking morrowind means you're in cool kids club or some shit
Anonymous No.724658352 [Report]
>>724654339
RPG sisters... how do we respond to this???
Anonymous No.724658636 [Report] >>724658906 >>724662717 >>724663116
>>724656831
An action game in which you can equip a shield but cannot actively block with it, mind.
Anonymous No.724658906 [Report]
>>724658636
What use is active block when you don't even know whether an enemy's attack will actually hit you or not (despite connecting visibly) lol
The whole system is ass-backwards and doesn't belong in an action game.
Anonymous No.724659109 [Report] >>724659508
>>724657519
a game is more than the sum of it's parts. the combat of the following games is also shit
Anonymous No.724659405 [Report]
>>724658080
no, I'm cooler than you because I don't waste time being hateful about random shit 24/7.
Anonymous No.724659508 [Report] >>724662469
>>724659109
>morrownigger really couldn't fully admit that morrowind's combat is complete shit without grouping it with oblivion and skyrim
Anonymous No.724659678 [Report]
>>724657208
by whom
its writing is worse than its combat
Anonymous No.724659689 [Report]
schizoid index through the roof itt
Anonymous No.724659874 [Report]
Anonymous No.724660778 [Report] >>724662403
At least in Morrowind your attacks actually deal damage and kill enemies in 2-3 hits
Anonymous No.724661313 [Report]
So does being a bethesda fan mean being trapped in a digital hell where you reply to the same exact posts copy-pasted every day for the rest of your life while playing some of the worst video games ever made?
Anonymous No.724661889 [Report]
Morrowind's main wuest turns to shit once the prophecy becomes a focus.
Just needed to get that off my chest.
Anonymous No.724662403 [Report]
>>724660778
yes, and it does a good job at conveying your character becoming more skilled as they can kill enemies much faster with the same weapon.
oblivion and skyrim there is no percievable difference between a weapon skill being at 10 or 100 because its all just raw value scaling
Anonymous No.724662469 [Report] >>724662592
>>724659508
>say my shibboleth or you lose the argument
You're a nigger
Anonymous No.724662482 [Report]
Morrowind has spellmaking. Get mogged skyrimfetuses.
Anonymous No.724662592 [Report]
>>724662469
>morrowind's combat is bad
>but...
Anonymous No.724662645 [Report] >>724662756 >>724662923 >>724675204
>die to a skrib because you made a character that doesn't know how to wield shortblades
>this is the game's fault or some reason
>seethe about it for 30 years
Anonymous No.724662717 [Report]
>>724658636
Shield in morrowind is a glorified armor part. Not an actual shield. The fact that you can't choose to activate doesn't make the combat not be action-based. In the game you completely control your character actions in combat. When he attacks, when he moves, how strong or light is the swing, all in real-time. You're not lmited in any way by your stats like in a real time with pause game, where how fast you attack or how fast you can make an action depend (IE) on your speed. Or turn based which is self-explanatory.
Many action-based games like ARPGS or Action RPGS have dice rolls, and you will miss every hit if the enemy has stats way higher that you. This doesn't make the game not have an action based combat anyway.
Anonymous No.724662756 [Report] >>724662860 >>724663495 >>724665374 >>724671864 >>724672393 >>724675204
>>724662645
>game gives you a weapon at the start
>you can't kill even the weakest enemy with it
yes it is the games fault
Anonymous No.724662860 [Report] >>724677472
>>724662756
>make a mage
>UUUH WELL THE GAME GIVE ME A DAGGER SO I GUESS I HAVE TO GO STABBY STABBY HAHA
you control the buttons you press. stop actively deciding to press the wrong buttons. it's not complicated.
Anonymous No.724662923 [Report] >>724663097 >>724663235
>>724662645
it's really jarring for someone who could be a master at using a longsword just suddenly become useless when they try to use a dagger.
morrowind skill system is just terribly specific.
Anonymous No.724663052 [Report] >>724663251
>>724653339 (OP)
This combat looks literally identical to Oblivion and Skyrim.
Anonymous No.724663097 [Report]
>>724662923
you being jarred by Gygaxian 60 year old game mechanics is a (You) problem.
Anonymous No.724663116 [Report] >>724688527
>>724658636
>use a two-hander
>equip a shield
>the shield isn't visually equipped on your character
>obviously, you can't block
>armor rating goes up anyway
Anonymous No.724663235 [Report]
>>724662923
I think that's ok from a roleplaying standpoint, even if it's not accurate from a realistic standpoint. The problem the game has is that it's too long for how easy it is to max every skill. So you eventually have to start increasing other skills as well, and every build ends up as a jack of all trades.
Anonymous No.724663243 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
>rewards practice and patience
>punishes low skill mindless flailing
must be the microtransactions
Anonymous No.724663251 [Report] >>724678564
>>724663052
oblivion and skyrim don't have accuracy checks. if the weapon touches, it does damage.
Anonymous No.724663317 [Report] >>724663454 >>724663679
>>724653339 (OP)
Morrowind's combat is bad but Morrowboomers got negatively polarized into defending it because otherwise they'd have to concede the successors were much better on one of the game's most important aspects
Anonymous No.724663454 [Report] >>724664049
>>724663317
it's easier so it's better is not an argument
Anonymous No.724663495 [Report]
>>724662756
>build character to not be proficient in daggers
>uses daggers
>yes it is the games fault
Anonymous No.724663679 [Report] >>724664049 >>724664746 >>724678384
>>724663317
morrowind chads have to prepare whenever they head out
skyrimbabies hold forward and mash the attack button and beat the game like that
skyrim is for normalcattle who don't play videogames.
Anonymous No.724663918 [Report] >>724665239
Is there any game which has more ironic shills than Morrowind? I find it hard to believe that there are this many people who genuinely think Daggerfall but poorly translated to 3D is Todd’s gift to gaming
Anonymous No.724664049 [Report] >>724664129 >>724664246
>>724663454
Like everyone else has said in this thread. Morrowind's combat sucks because
1) It's an action game with turn-based diceroll mechanics and these elements are in conflict.
2) The feedback is terrible. Like even fucking Runescape gives an audio cue when you miss.

>>724663679
The way Morrowboomers try to pretend Morrowind is a super difficult game instead of just an opaque one is genuinely pathetic.
Anonymous No.724664129 [Report]
>>724664049
>no counterargument
i accept your concession, w+m1 faggot
Anonymous No.724664170 [Report]
>just like me and all my other schizo headmates have said in this thread
jesus this guy sucks. fully allergic to normal conversation.
Anonymous No.724664181 [Report]
>5 Long Blade
>God Mode so the Ordinator doesn't kill them in 5 seconds
Anonymous No.724664246 [Report]
>>724664049
>The feedback is terrible. Like even fucking Runescape gives an audio cue when you miss.
Turn your sound on retard.
Anonymous No.724664258 [Report] >>724664484
I'm playing Skyrim right now and combat for me is killing everything before they spot me
Anonymous No.724664484 [Report]
>>724664258
yeah, Skyrim players dynamically reached the conclusion that the best fix for the combat is to effectively delete it from the game.
Anonymous No.724664485 [Report] >>724686634 >>724688584
Morrowind is pretty bad overall tbdesu… nice soundtrack and worldbuilding but the gameplay is very dated and a carryover from when devs thought RPGs should be DND
I heard that todd had to shill his own games in forums tho so maybe people were aware of this even then
Anonymous No.724664552 [Report] >>724664703 >>724675204 >>724675312
>boot up morrowind
>make a warrior
>can't hit anything because constantly tired (at no point does the game tell you this)
>make a thief
>literally cannot play sneak, the skill simply does not fucking work without chameleon effects
>even if it did the critical damage scales like ass with daggers and one-handers
>make a mage
>have to spend hours spamming 1 [effect] for 1 seconds for hours or my spells will constantly fail
>every endgame mob has reflect enjoy killing yourself LMAO
Morrowind is not just a bad game, it's a SHIT game.
Anonymous No.724664672 [Report] >>724665073
>>724653339 (OP)
Bait but I unironically do think that Morrowind's combat is a lot better than people think.
Anonymous No.724664703 [Report]
>>724664552
filtered
Anonymous No.724664746 [Report] >>724664885 >>724665162 >>724665558
>>724663679
translation: every quest, morrowtroons have to buy 100-200 weight worth of potions and alcohol so they can outheal anything by chugging a dozen potions and oneshot dagoth ur with their sujamma-induced 10000 strength
Anonymous No.724664885 [Report]
>>724664746
And it's still better gameplay than Skyrim
Anonymous No.724665023 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
*WHOOSH*
>>724654129
*WHOOSH
>>724654263
*WHOOSH*
>>724654339
*WHOOSH
>>724654563
*WHOOSH*
>>724654581
*WHOOSH
>>724654795
*WHOOSH*
>>724655225
*WHOOSH
>>724655397
*WHOOSH*
>>724655434
*WHOOSH

N'WAH!
Anonymous No.724665073 [Report] >>724665479
>>724664672
huh? but this anon says that nobody thinks that the combat is good >>724657109
Anonymous No.724665162 [Report]
>>724664746
you tell 'em sis *pauses the game and eats 2000 cheese wheels*
Anonymous No.724665239 [Report] >>724665570 >>724665628 >>724671954 >>724683423
>>724663918
There's a few things going on behind the Morrow-shilling:
1) Morrowind was the first BGS hit so it was always going to be a hotbed for nostalgia.
2) It's one of the most prominent exemplars of an aesthetic that's sort of scifi-fantasy, earth tone mysticism that faded away after the early 2000s.
3) Any time a game makes design changes to become more accessible to a broader audience, people get mad about it.
Anonymous No.724665374 [Report]
>>724662756
>starting shortblade skill
>daaaaah why me no hit things?!
Anonymous No.724665479 [Report]
>>724665073
better doesn't mean good
Anonymous No.724665558 [Report] >>724665682
>>724664746
As opposed to Skyrim where 99% of your power budget is in enchantments and attack multiplier potions?
Anonymous No.724665570 [Report] >>724665659
>>724665239
>Any time a game makes design changes to become more accessible to a broader audience, people get mad about it.
if you don't get mad about products getting watered down to cater to the lowest common denominator, you are the lowest common denominator
Anonymous No.724665628 [Report] >>724665756 >>724670558
>>724665239
4)
Anonymous No.724665659 [Report] >>724665729 >>724665751 >>724665830 >>724665861
>>724665570
>Making the game fun is watering it down
Interesting take anon
Anonymous No.724665682 [Report]
>>724665558
can you make a single post without lying through your teeth? at no point are these necessary. you can beat the entirety of skyrim at level 1
Anonymous No.724665729 [Report]
>>724665659
>stripping out all the game mechanics
>fun
Anonymous No.724665751 [Report]
>>724665659
yes i would figure a simpleton could only have fun with simple toys
Anonymous No.724665756 [Report] >>724665985
>>724665628
I hate this shitty thing in every modern RPG.
Anonymous No.724665830 [Report] >>724665970
>>724665659
>can't make my own spells anymore
>i'm supposed to be having more fun somehow
Anonymous No.724665861 [Report]
>>724665659
Removing attributes which are nothing more than a redundancy and having you have to choose which enchantments to wear instead of having 20 different pieces that do nothing but fortify your base stats isn't really dumbing down
The only losses are mobility skills and the speed stat
Anonymous No.724665864 [Report]
>why is morrowind's combat so fucking good /v/ros?
because you can easily get strong enough to skip it, the combat sucks in all TES games, but at least with no level scaling and through the game's mechanics you can sort of ignore it
Anonymous No.724665869 [Report]
I modded Skyrim into having better RPG mechanics than Morrowind :)
Anonymous No.724665970 [Report] >>724666053 >>724666149
>>724665830
>Can't make 10 different variations of "fireball that oneshots everyone"
>How am I supposed to have fun with this?
Anonymous No.724665984 [Report] >>724666108
Yeah Morrowinds combat is so bad just look at this 11 year old shitpost that gets reposted without context ad nauseam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNXYrAkUntU
Anonymous No.724665985 [Report]
>>724665756
The problem is that in games where that's missing, it'll be modded in
Just look at WoW
Anonymous No.724666053 [Report]
>>724665970
because player agency is better than giving the player 3 spells:
>fireball that oneshots everyone
>iceball that oneshots everyone
>lightning bolt that oneshots everyone
and calling it a day
Anonymous No.724666108 [Report] >>724666351
>>724665984
Morrowind's combat is bad because there's no positioning, no active guard, spellcasting is slow as shit and you have no reason to do anything other than W+M1 anything to death, especially at decent skill levels where accuracy is a non-factor
Anonymous No.724666149 [Report]
>>724665970
It's
>thing player made that oneshots everyone after 50 hours of playtime
versus
>thing handed to the player at a certain point that oneshots everyone
If you don't understand why people would prefer the first scenario, you're actually retarded
Anonymous No.724666180 [Report] >>724666323 >>724666370 >>724683497
Anonymous No.724666190 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
I've always wondered why they show a retard playing vanilla morrowind when they could simply instead show a non-min maxing player trying to fight Gaenor.

or one of the many 50 werewolf ambushes from bloodmoon.
Anonymous No.724666278 [Report] >>724686738 >>724690638
Morrowind's fun comes from countering the game's bullshit with your own bullshit, and then imposing restrictions on yourself so you don't make the game too easy. And then make several other characters to explore unpicked dialog options, different playstyles, and mutually exclusive options you missed the last times you played.
Skyrim powergamers look up every fucking quest on the wiki and oneshot everyone with their stealth archer so they collect every fucking item in the game and be the grandmaster of every faction in the game with the same character. They don't want to enjoy the game, they want to beat it to a pulp.
Anonymous No.724666323 [Report]
>>724666180
>5 blade skill
actual, literal skill issue
Anonymous No.724666351 [Report] >>724666552
>>724666108
no wonder you faggots are getting filtered if you don't even try to physically dodge attacks LMAAAAO
Anonymous No.724666362 [Report]
Millennial here, I played this game like a year after it came out because so many people were jerking off about it like it was so amazing. It was incredibly dull and unsatisfying.
Anonymous No.724666370 [Report] >>724676378
>>724666180
better than dark souls
Anonymous No.724666552 [Report] >>724666738
>>724666351
Nigga I finished the game, there's nothing complex in leveling up endurance and strength while spending the gold from your first economy breaking daedric item in training,
Anonymous No.724666582 [Report] >>724668512 >>724672019 >>724672974 >>724683016
Behold: REAL SKYRIM COMBAT
Morrowindfaggots feel free to piss and shit yourselves.
Anonymous No.724666649 [Report]
Morrowind is still the best game NGS ever made, and that says something. I tried Oblivion for the first time this year after ignoring it since its release and it was the shittiest game I have ever played. Not even the worst TES, the shittiest game.
Anonymous No.724666691 [Report] >>724666745 >>724667232 >>724668823
>meanwhile: skyrim gameplay
Anonymous No.724666738 [Report]
>>724666552
Nothing is complex in any game, faggot. But that's what makes it fun in the first place.
Anonymous No.724666745 [Report] >>724666950 >>724667045
>>724666691
this animation alone is better than the entirety of morrowind
Anonymous No.724666950 [Report] >>724666990 >>724667796
>>724666745
>saying this despite the clipping
yeah we already know you have no standards
Anonymous No.724666990 [Report] >>724667037 >>724667230
>>724666950
despite the what?
sorry, I don't speak in autism.
Anonymous No.724667037 [Report] >>724667796
>>724666990
being an ignorant retard isn't the own you think it is
Anonymous No.724667045 [Report] >>724667796
>>724666745
>prefers a dancing fully covered woman over good gameplay
And you call morrowind players trannies
Anonymous No.724667184 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
I, for one, am glad they streamlined and realtimeactionslopped the face of the western role-playing game genre.
Anonymous No.724667185 [Report]
>>724654129
>rpg
>role playing game
>you always play the same role and everyone always treats you the same
WHOA
Anonymous No.724667230 [Report] >>724667796
>>724666990
how the fuck don't you know what clipping is? even fucking normalfags know what clipping is.
the ABSOLUTE STATE of morrowind haters
Anonymous No.724667232 [Report]
>>724666691
Majestic
Anonymous No.724667602 [Report]
>>724656831
>This isn't a CRPG where you control a party and actions play out in rounds
It does play out in rounds actually.
Anonymous No.724667796 [Report]
>>724667037
>>724667045
>>724667230
>>724666950
you guys are why these threads are always successful
Anonymous No.724667861 [Report] >>724667917 >>724667982 >>724668185 >>724668413
>>724653339 (OP)
>retards actually believe this
Ordinators would body a level 1 player in 1-2 hits.
Anonymous No.724667917 [Report] >>724669256
>>724667861
>orc
so you cheesed the game with 'zerking, big deal
Anonymous No.724667982 [Report] >>724668083 >>724669256
>>724667861
>fighting a harmless civilian NPC
post videos where you're actually fighting real enemies.
why are you guys always demonstrating morrowind's combat with harmless NPCs?
Anonymous No.724668083 [Report]
>>724667982
All dunmer are enemy combatants
Anonymous No.724668113 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
Go
Anonymous No.724668185 [Report] >>724669256 >>724669256
>>724667861
wow you mogged a civilian with the "idgaf about accuracy checks" race, stunning and brave
Anonymous No.724668413 [Report]
>>724667861
Why'd you post a Skyrim clip?
Anonymous No.724668512 [Report]
>>724666582
>That jiggle
Almost makes up for using MCO or whatever the fuck it’s called
Anonymous No.724668823 [Report]
>>724666691
me in the back sprinting after marie rose
Anonymous No.724669092 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
All I'm gonna say that, I don't since when, but the last few updates of OpenMW seemingly changed armor enchantments so that instead of adding armor they function like Sanctuary instead. Had 348 something armor on my nigger character through clothes alone, and I could. Not. Get. Hit. When I finally managed to open my saves again.
Anonymous No.724669256 [Report] >>724669369 >>724669745
>>724667917
>>724668185
Didn't use Berserk. Coping filterees.

>>724667982
>>724668185
It is a level 1 off-the-boat PC fighting a level 1 NPC. The accuracy odds are even.
Anonymous No.724669369 [Report] >>724670416
>>724669256
still an artificial situation that doesn't normally happen for 99.9% of players.
just start making new webms demonstrating low level combat on real enemies. quit fighting NPCs.
Anonymous No.724669424 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
Simple things amuse simple minds.
Bet you are a big fan of turn base iso games from the 90s as well.

No shame in that. Morons deserve to enjoy themselves just as much as normal people.
Anonymous No.724669745 [Report] >>724670191 >>724670416 >>724676054
>>724669256
>It is a level 1 off-the-boat PC fighting a level 1 NPC. The accuracy odds are even.
except the average player would not do this
go fight a cliff racer on the way to balmora or the bandits in the tutorial cave next to the sayda neen silt strider
pummeling defenseless civilians is just being dishonest
Anonymous No.724669851 [Report] >>724678291
>>724653339 (OP)
>Morrowind hate thread
To be fair Morrowind is a good RPG, but Morrowfags need to admit that when it comes to its gameplay, its one of the "it get better after 10 hours bro" kind of games. It has a horrendous early game.
Anonymous No.724670026 [Report]
>yfw morrowind is now the best looking TES, again
Anonymous No.724670173 [Report] >>724670496 >>724671425
Ive done a good chunk of Tamriel Rebuilt and recently started Project Tamriel/SKyrim Home of the Nords but to be honest Im pretty burnt out on the mechanics by now. Any anons have some inventive or fun builds? My last run was a temple priest in TR that had to adhere strictly to the Temple Doctrine, Almas Thirr temple quests were very peak.
Anonymous No.724670191 [Report] >>724670250 >>724674637
>>724669745
>Fresh off the boat
>Can do tutorial village to get gear, gold and experience
>Skips tutorial village and gets filtered
Many such cases and proof why 90% of the population shouldn't have freedom
Anonymous No.724670250 [Report] >>724670815
>>724670191
what experience lmao
exactly what skills are you training from looting fargoth's stash?
Anonymous No.724670416 [Report] >>724676195
>>724669369
>>724669745
>it doesn't count! it's not an enemy!! real enemies are stronger!
Fil-tered~
Anonymous No.724670473 [Report] >>724673935
I always find it wild that there's secretly a second tutorial. With incredible rewards that any new player is able to do. but it's in ebonheart. A place that the none of the early main quests actually send you.
Anonymous No.724670496 [Report]
>>724670173
speaking of the temple quests, I believe Duress of a Slave is the best dialogues in the entire mod and probably the base game too. Playing the game blind and running into the complexities of the branching dialogue paths intertwined with genuine philosophical discussion was unlike anything I was ever prepared for in Morrowind. The players line that went something along the lines of the argonian being under foreign stars in a foreign land actually moved me, cringy as it is.
any anons doing TR right now I recommend you do Almas Thirr temple ASAP.
Anonymous No.724670558 [Report]
>>724665628
Look, you're totally original oc 'I'm not like other girls' RPG world is just not that interesting to explore. I'll begrudgingly play through the game but don't expect me to read all the slop you wrote.
Anonymous No.724670621 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
you can't make a better combat system while still keeping it RPG, simple as
Anonymous No.724670760 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
The combat doesn't bother me, the lack of quest markers does. I'm waiting for Skywind.
Anonymous No.724670791 [Report] >>724670875 >>724670885
>>724655434
Skyrim with Ordinator is still the best open world RPG experience available.
>b-b-b-b-but the witcher
can't make your own character = not an RPG
sorry
Anonymous No.724670815 [Report]
>>724670250
athletics from going up the tower
and the gold rewards will fund your first equipment pieces, including buying a replacement for that shitty dagger everyone gets and getting a better and more suitable weapon for your character instead
you weren't seriously just going into the cave in your prison rags were you?
Anonymous No.724670875 [Report] >>724671624
>>724670791
>skyrim
>witcher
>these are the games in contention for best open world rpg
holy normie kek
Anonymous No.724670885 [Report] >>724671624
>>724670791
skyrim doesn't have the difficulty to justify ordinator's retarded power spikes
Anonymous No.724671425 [Report]
>>724670173
i kinda had this idea of playing a gambler, focus on luck, play with every gambler i can find, invest in stocks, and go from town to town doing misc quests while i wait for their values to change. skills are kind of up to you but luck favors jack of all trades builds by nature. my endgame would be retiring in anvil.
Anonymous No.724671624 [Report]
>>724670875
go on, name better games

>>724670885
get difficulty mods then faggot
Even then, if I want difficulty I won't play Skyrim. Skyrim is for singleplayer RP
Anonymous No.724671864 [Report] >>724672418
>>724662756
Just like if (you) tried to use a weapon IRL, you'd be unable to harm anyone with it due to your clumsiness, obesity, and lack of motor control, your poorly statted character cannot effectively wield a weapon either.
Anonymous No.724671954 [Report] >>724672325
>>724665239
>Any time a game makes design changes to become more accessible to a broader audience, people get mad about it.
Exactly what morrowind did btw
Anonymous No.724672019 [Report]
>>724666582
Why do only her hips move? Get some better animations god damn.
Anonymous No.724672325 [Report] >>724672407
>>724671954
>feast or famine argument
Nobody unironically defends Daggerfall's dungeons.
Anonymous No.724672332 [Report]
>724665023
He did it, preddit
Anonymous No.724672393 [Report]
>>724662756
>play an RPG
>don't get a single skill for combat
>suck at combat
>"IT'S THE GAME'S FAULT ACTUALLY!!!"
Handheld zoomers can't play real videogames
Anonymous No.724672407 [Report] >>724672485 >>724673864
>>724672325
Nobody unironically defends morrowind combat
Anonymous No.724672418 [Report] >>724672923
>>724671864
If you were to pick up a club right now and attempt to bludgeon someone with it, would there be a chance that your weapon would completely phase through their body? No, because that would be stupid.
Anonymous No.724672485 [Report] >>724672696
>>724672407
go on then
defend daggerfall's dungeons
Anonymous No.724672696 [Report] >>724672890
>>724672485
Proper dungeon crawling experience
Kino ambience
Large variety
Colors besides brown unlike morrowind
Long enough to feel like an actual adventure rather than stepping out to get some milk
Anonymous No.724672890 [Report]
>>724672696
yeah bro i love spending months running in circles in a fuckhuge dungeon with the same 5 enemies only to find out i didn't interact with the right wall to open a secret passage
>colors besides brown
did you miss the image i linked or something, retard? most dungeons have the same texture tiled over and over again throughout the entire thing. another factor that only makes you get lost easier

good attempt. now do it unironically.
Anonymous No.724672923 [Report]
>>724672418
Well, your general incompetence means that you'd miss half the time and they'd easily evade it the other half, so yeah you'd have about the same results as your 5 blunt weapon character who's out of stamina.
Anonymous No.724672974 [Report]
>>724666582
You call that Skyrim gameplay?
THIS is Skyrim gameplay
https://files.catbox.moe/ztgkdw.mp4
Anonymous No.724673093 [Report]
Man when is Oblivion getting VR2 support wtf
Anonymous No.724673864 [Report]
>>724672407
I do
Anonymous No.724673935 [Report] >>724675073
>>724670473
Elaborate.
Anonymous No.724674637 [Report]
>>724670191
I'm onto you.
Anonymous No.724675015 [Report]
>>724654263
Skyrim is basically a hack and slash. That's why it was so successful. It's just an action game with leveling so it feels like you can work on your character.
Anonymous No.724675073 [Report]
>>724673935
The imperial cult quests are incredibly good at giving clear directions of where to find the shit they want you to get them and tend to give decent rewards for doing so. Specifically early alchemy ingredient locations. Not something a veteran player actually needs but a new player might appreciate the restore strength spell they practically just give away.

They also have one of the best artifacts in the game Ring of wind so I may be biased
Anonymous No.724675204 [Report]
>>724664552
>>724662756
>>724662645
But you CAN kill a scrib with the starting dagger. It's almost like you guys never played the game past the first guard.
Anonymous No.724675312 [Report]
>>724664552
truth nuke
Anonymous No.724675383 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
Obsession with "good combat" is typical for soulslike zoomers. Nobody played the classic crpgs for good combat. We played them to role-play. Thats where the name came from!
Anonymous No.724675956 [Report] >>724676102
For me, it's stealing Fargoths money(or was there a ring too?) over and over
Anonymous No.724676054 [Report] >>724677936
>>724669745
>[OTHER GAME]
Anonymous No.724676102 [Report] >>724676642
>>724675956
Yeah there's a ring in the first barrel when you exit the first building. And the cash in his hiding spot.
Anonymous No.724676107 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
No one plays it for the combat
Anonymous No.724676172 [Report]
>>724657454
you clearly haven't played the game because you don't understand what's great about it
also lurk more larpfag
Anonymous No.724676195 [Report]
>>724670416
>~
why are you american
Anonymous No.724676378 [Report]
>>724666370
this
Anonymous No.724676642 [Report]
>>724676102
I remember the ring of miniscule healing, I just didn't remember if there's some junk heirloom ring you steal from fargoth too lol
Anonymous No.724677250 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
If you aren't a demigod flying around nuking and oneshotting people after the first two hour of the game you are playing Morrowind wrong.
Anonymous No.724677472 [Report] >>724678062
>>724662860
bound dagger is pretty fucking good early tbf
not that that nigger would know that of course
Anonymous No.724677936 [Report] >>724678296
>>724676054
what other game retard? are you implying balmora is in another game?
Anonymous No.724678062 [Report]
>>724677472
it is, all bound weapons are great because of their innate skill increase and infinite durability. and you can get easy access to them via demon weapons
Anonymous No.724678291 [Report]
>>724669851
The early game sucks the first time you play. The early game is fine on play 2+ because it turns out that the biggest complaints people have about the early game are extremely easy to avoid.
Anonymous No.724678296 [Report]
>>724677936
>are you implying balmora is in another game?
Technically yes, it's in Arena and ESO.
Anonymous No.724678384 [Report] >>724678571
>>724663679
T. Never mods
Thanks for outing yourself. Skyrim is great because you can turn it into anything you want
Anonymous No.724678484 [Report]
>>724654563
More realistic than what?
Anonymous No.724678564 [Report] >>724678660
>>724663251
Hence why their combat are so shit, when every hit is guaranteed, weapons must all be the same mathematical shit for balance and there can never be interesting weapons
Anonymous No.724678571 [Report]
>>724678384
mods don't change anything about anon's post
if anything they make the game even easier because modders can't balance for shit
Anonymous No.724678660 [Report] >>724681309 >>724683072
>>724678564
>every weapon is mathematically normalized, and they have unique effects depending on which branch of the one/two hand skill tree you took
:(
>every weapon is mathematically normalized, and they can all also miss if you don't have their respective skill
>no perk trees to set them apart
:)
Anonymous No.724678676 [Report] >>724678989
>>724655397
For me, it’s levitating above the enemy and summoning 45 different Daedra to rape them to death.
Anonymous No.724678989 [Report]
>>724678676
Lies there's only like 15 kind of daedra
Anonymous No.724679281 [Report]
>>724654129
I remember times when rpg fans claimed action combat is bad just to gatekeep normalfags.
Anonymous No.724679825 [Report]
morrowind combat would be significantly better if the hit chance floor was higher and averages out to where it would normally be by about 50 weapon skill, maybe do a split scaling between hit% and weapon damage as it increases.

then better reactions by the enemy to being hit so you know when you missed instead of having to have your eyes glued to their health bar.
Anonymous No.724681309 [Report] >>724681387
>>724678660
>you get to.. LE SWING A LITTLE SLOWER
Amazing "unique effects" you have there
Anonymous No.724681387 [Report] >>724681464
>>724681309
still less streamlined than morrowshit weapons
Anonymous No.724681464 [Report]
>>724681387
That's okay because nobody plays Morrowind for the combat
Anonymous No.724681568 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
dice rolls are cool
Anonymous No.724681896 [Report]
>>724653339 (OP)
YOOOOOOO
Anonymous No.724682624 [Report]
>>724655225
i look like this and i act like that
Anonymous No.724683016 [Report]
>>724666582
>hips are like a bobblehead
>rest of the body is stiff
I've seen great coomer mods in skyrim but this is not one
Anonymous No.724683072 [Report]
>>724678660
Morrowind
>*player swings*
>Player Attack Roll: (Weapon Skill + Agility/5 + Luck/10) × (0.75 + (0.5 × (Current Fatigue/Maximum Fatigue))) + Fortify Attack Magnitude + Blind Magnitude
>Enemy Evasion Roll: (Agility/5 + Luck/10) × (0.75 + (0.5 × (Current Fatigue/Maximum Fatigue))) + Sanctuary Magnitude + (Chameleon Magnitude/5)
>Enemy Block Roll: (Block + (Agility / 5) + (Luck / 10)) * (0.75 + (0.5 * (Current Fatigue / Maximum Fatigue))).
>Enemy Armor Reduction Calculation: (Chest * 0.3 + (Shield + Head + Legs + Feet + Right Shoulder + Left Shoulder) * 0.1 + (Right Hand + Left Hand) * 0.05) * ( ArmorSkill / 30 )
>Final Damage Calculation: (Weapon Damage * ((Strength + 50) / 100) * Condition Modifier * Critical Hit Modifier) / Armor Reduction

- REDDIT SPACE -

Skyrim
>*player swings*
>Player Damage: (base damage + smithing upgrade)* (1 + 0.4 * skill/100) * (1 + perk % damage boosts) * (1 + % damage from items)
>(times two because it was the ebin power attack!)
>Enemy Armor Rating: (base armor rating + item quality) × (1 + 0.4 × (skill + skill effect)/100) ] × (1 + unison perk ) × (1 + Matching Set) × (1 + armor perk)
>Enemy Damage Reduction percentage: (armor rating × 0.12 + (3.00 × number of pieces worn))
>Final Damage Calculation: damage * damage reduction

Morrowind has simply more depth
Anonymous No.724683145 [Report]
> play Skyrim
Most boring shit I’ve ever played. Have to force myself to finish the main quest.
> play Morrowind
Play it for 3 months straight. Have to force myself to stop playing after finishing the main quest.

Why is that?
Anonymous No.724683423 [Report]
>>724665239
There's a fine line between making a game more accessible like
>lack of RNG during weapon attacks
and makin game more retarded like
>dumbing down the quest, journal, and map design
>no spell creations
>no fun gimmicks or neat shit going on because everything is le serious instead of the dark whimsical tones of Morrowind
People rightfully get mad at Bethesda because they seem to have developed a philosophy of 1 step forward 4 steps back
Anonymous No.724683497 [Report]
>>724666180
I remember my first go at playing morrowind my character ran out of stamina from a shitty build and I basically couldn't do anything for a solid hour
Anonymous No.724684216 [Report] >>724685205
This entire thread is just 14 year olds being extremely unfunny
Anonymous No.724685205 [Report]
>>724684216
If this thread's gone to shit then you're just another maggot crawling in the pile!
Anonymous No.724685443 [Report] >>724690314
YES
I finally have a reason to post this
Anonymous No.724686634 [Report]
>>724664485
Is not just dated, gameplay was awful even back then. Only weirdos played mw, they were amazed by how you can move around and read walls of badly written texts. And to some extent I can understand that, but even those people became silent once combat began.
Anonymous No.724686738 [Report] >>724688635 >>724690638
>>724666278
Is called autism anon. Literal, not memed to death definition.
Anonymous No.724688527 [Report]
>>724663116
That's quite sensible actually, you can strap the shield to your side or to your back and still receive the benefits of its protection.
Anonymous No.724688584 [Report]
>>724664485
>dated
Not enough yellow paint?
Anonymous No.724688635 [Report]
>>724686738
You equate autism with basic intelligence, it's more likely that you are autistic yourself, or just brown.
Anonymous No.724690314 [Report]
>>724685443
Morrowind presented by Ubisoft
Anonymous No.724690427 [Report]
>>724656831
>The sword clearly connects with the enemy.
No it doesnt. where is the animation indicating it connected? you fucking retard

>>724657208
it is. OP is just baiting a morrowind thread. Morrowind has the best setting in the series and elder scrolls will not have a setting as interesting again for the base game until after todd retires and they do a blackmarsh game.
Anonymous No.724690638 [Report]
>>724666278
>>724686738
>Is called autism anon.
its called role playing. Skyrim is too easy if you minmax it as well, you have to limit yourself or combat becomes stupid and boring. The difference between skyrim and morrowind is morrowind allows for more role playing.

If i want to make a warlock roleplay playthrough using summons and DOTs in morrowind then i can do that, adding a 30 second duration requirement for all damage spells changes the game up a bit, it doesnt make it super hard but it plays a little differently.

If i want to make a spell caster that steals physical stats before killing warriors with a staff i can do that too, spells that steal strength/agility can be very strong.

If I want to make a speech craft thief guy who uses non combat skills i can gain 20 levels just doing town stuff, then pay a master swordsman to train me after (you cant even do this in skyrim without mods)

You are limited to very narrow archetypes and play styles in skyrim where you need to not combine crafting professions or you get too strong and just 1 shot everything, but you cant be full bard/speech craft early game or enemies will quickly outpace you in levels and you cant pay trainers to catch you up you would have to cheese the game and use conjuration or power level a crafting profession before you started combat again (or just turn the game to very easy mode as a "solution"
Anonymous No.724691265 [Report]
>>724657519
i unironically like morrowind's combat more than vanilla Skyrim's due to the way fatigue works. Skyrim's combat has the benefit of mods which makes the combat better. Skyrim's vanilla combat is complete dogshit, worse than both Oblivion's and Morrowind, especially due to the way spellcasting interacts with melee