Thread 724918589

Who'd win in a 1v1?

>>724918589 (OP)
depends on the game. Mace mogs him in Battlefront 2 2005.

Count Dooku would get bodied by Mace’s Vaapad if we’re assuming this is dark side Count Dooku. Light side Dooku and Mace were kind of even in raw dueling ability, so it’d be anyone’s guess.

>>724919440
What'd stop Sith "Lord" Dooku from swapping back and forth between using the light and dark side to try and trick Mace up?

>>724918589 (OP)

Anakin when he isn't being retarded > Mace Windu vs a dark side user > Palpatine > Obi Wan at the height of his prowess > Yoda > Anakin being retarded > Count Dooku > Old Obi Wan > Maul > Grevious > Quigon

>>724918589 (OP)
Dooku is a good person in the Dark Side whereas Windu is a bad person in the Light Side. They really compliment each other.
I honestly think Dooku can win if the fight is prolonged. He kicked Obi-Wan and Anakin's ass and gave the green muppet a run for the money.

Despite the denial from the boomers I think the prequels are unironically kino.

>>724918589 (OP)
Early Clone Wars Dooku beats Mace hands down and it's not even close. Late Clone Wars Dooku probably loses but not badly.

>>724919689
Probably nothing on paper if Dooku has any idea how Vaapad works. But whether or not one’s connection status to the force can be switched on the fly is the question being begged here.

>>724919440
>joins dark side for power
>gets weaker

wott le fugg

>>724919980
In hindsight they were good. At the time there were definite flaws because George had less people to tard wrangle him, people don't really care for intergalactic politics in there space laser samurai movies, but the bones of something original were there.

>>724918589 (OP)
Dooku probably
Mace Window spent his money on fancy cosmetic skin for his lightsabre but it provides no benefit
Count Dooku spent his money minmaxing his lightsaber and kitted out with all of the tiny +1 and +2 boosts to his fighting style
Mace Dindu probably spent reparations on a fancy skin and Dooku definitely spent months grinding instead to get his lightsabre to peak condition

>>724920117
He got weaker due to age and stress.

>>724919980
I think the movies are okay but I appreciate more of what all the added to the universe and the games.

Mace Dindu < Count Dooku (literally me)

>>724919980
They're just mad because Episode III is one of the greatest films ever created and all their favorite critic ever made was "Le Time Cop"

>>724920117
Oh Dooku definitely became more powerful when he started using the dark side. It’s just the matchup is unusual because Mace Windu is using a custom version of lightsaber form 7 that scales in power by how influenced by the dark side his opponent is. It’s also the reason he was even able to give sheev a fight.

>>724919980
They're dogshit films.

>>724919440
Mace's Vaapad wouldn't be as effective on Dooku relative to pretty much every other Sith. And Dooku's lightsaber form was specifically adapted for dueling. Plus, unlike most Jedi, he has experience in actual live duels.

>>724918589 (OP)
Dindu's lightsaber technique mogs dork side users automatically. If he can beat Sheev, he can beat Dooku and even Grievous.

Dooku is like a gay fencing lightsaber form master, he hard counters Obi-wan's turtling style but gets naturally mogged by Anakin's second lightsaber form.

>>724918589 (OP)
Mace beat Palpatine in a 1v1. I don't see Dooku doing the same. But I know everyone uses different saber forms and each has better matchups versus certain others so I have no idea about any of that.

>>724919440
>Vaapad
Forms make zero sense, they're gay as fuck and directly contradict everything nic gillard did in the films, they were made up by a literal magazine intern in fifteen minutes and anime faggots have latched onto them every since and turned every goddamned vs thread in twenty years into this faggot as 'muh style' shit, you people should be gassed

>>724920215
This is also true.

>>724919980
I genuinely never got the jar jar binks hate desu.

>>724919926
Obi-Wan was just Anakin's brother and was the #1 recipient of his practice duels, so he was the best candidate in the universe for fighting Anakin. I don't think it's ever stated that Obi-Wan was above other renowned jedi. He was just very patient and keen eyed, but lacked force powers and insight.

>>724920370
Okay but we’re not really talking about forms, we’re talking about the fact Mace gets a significant edge over his opponent if the opponent is a dark side user.

>>724920370
>anime faggots
What do you expect from prequelfags

>>724920505
>we're not talking about forms, we're talking about [faggot ass shit from forms]
Again, you should be fucking gassed.

>>724920502
Everybody lacks insight in the prequels.

>>724919980

the only thing good about the prequels is all of the secondary media, the movies themselves were bad

>>724920370
Sorry, Vaapad is canon.

>>724920575
Go cry somewhere else faggot.

>>724920627
None of that shit is canon and never was.

>>724920629
Your mother cries when people ask about you and she has to tell them you're a faggot ass nignog who supports gay ass lightsaber forms.

When I was into star wars, before the prequels. I used to mostly be into the droids and space ships and the aliens. Then it became too much about Jedi vs Sith light saber battles.

>>724920117
dark side makes you a slave to your impulses, you're stronger initially but stagnate hard
all sith lords ultimately get consumed by fear and paranoia until their death, which happens when their hubris makes them let their guard down
a properly trained jedi (who actually listens to the force properly instead of being a code shitter) mogs the fuck out of any sith lord, provided they actually have their shit together

>>724919957
That's a pretty bad misunderstanding of their characters. Dooku's whole thing is that all his noble intentions are just a surface level facade for his own selfish tyrannical whims. It's literally even in his Sith name Tyrannus. And the further steeped in the dark side he became the more he went from being a noble Jedi with real gripes against the decaying state of the Republic to acting on his worst impulses. He's a complicated man, but so was Anakin.

Mace on the other hand isn't a bad person, he's very well intentioned and selfless. But dogmatic to a fault. He only gets a bad rep because of how he treated Anakin during RoTS but in context it makes a fuck ton of sense and he was only really a dick to him on an impersonal level.

>>724919980

Well you're wrong, they sucked shit and the fact that the sequels sucked harder shit doesn't retroactively make the prequels good.

>>724919980
They had more world building. I remember watching the 2nd Disney movie and all I remember is that fucking Casino planet.

>>724920836
>because of how he treated Anakin during RoTS
Anakin was a dumb cunt. If anything Windu was too soft on him.

>>724918589 (OP)
Windu would brutalize Tyranus in a straight fight. Specifically in a clash of sabers. Windu is one of the best lightsaber duelists the Jedi Order ever produced. He's a better swordsman than Master Yoda. So the question is, would Tyranus be stone dumb enough to fight Windu on an even playing field? And based on how soft he was for a Sith, and easily Sidious played him, that's probably a yes.

>>724920502
obi wan was easily one of the best jedi in the order in his day, arguably one of the best jedi in centuries given that he fought three sith lords, one of them twice, killed one, crippled another, and walked away from all of them
him dying to vader doesn't count, he deliberately threw so luke would escape without him

>>724920824
aka why Luke is the standard for Jedi in general.

>>724920851
George really did lose it at RotJ

>>724920684
Same. I remember back to I think second grade, there was a kid in my class who had a bookbag full of Star Wars figures. This was back in 97, before the prequels. Had had all the storm troopers, the sand people, the giant lizards they rode on, all the creatures and aliens and it was the coolest shit whenever he brought them out. He had the vehicles too like the little speeders.

>>724920961
i'd argue qui gon also was the only other true jedi we see in the films outside of rotj luke, but yeah
obi wan, as great as he is, let the code dictate too many of his actions and views and anakin ultimately suffered for it
yoda was similar but understood that there was a problem in aotc but couldn't ever fully detach himself from it, but he gets close in esb/ rotj

>>724920961
This. Luke wields the force and occasionally employs dark side abilities and embraces his emotions. He's a superior force user to any Jedi in the old order hands down.

>>724919980
the only good thing about the sequels is that they made the prequels more enjoyable.

>>724920947
>him dying to vader doesn't count, he deliberately threw so luke would escape without him
Suddenly recalling Vader saying "When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the Master.", Anakin must've spent 17 years reflecting on his mistakes that put him in that suit and gained some humility. And then went back to thinking he was the best.

>>724921134
luke had a healthy understanding of his emotions instead of suppressing them, this made him much stronger as a jedi and nigh incorruptible to the dark side
the jedi of old feared their emotions since many sith were dominated by them, but they were too radical with their thinking and it led to many jedi falling to the dark side when it could've been avoided

>>724920502
Obi-Wan can't really be compared to other jedi with mere power level wankery. Yes he's naturally weaker in the force but he's so well in tune with it that it doesn't matter. It's the force I don't have to explain shit.

>>724920836
Windu is politically motivated and connected, and the ends justifies the means for him.
His grape-flavored lightsaber is a combination of red-blue for a reason.
Dooku is aggressively pragmatic, that's why he doesn't have Sith eyes unlike Palpatine and eventually Anakin.
Maybe you read too many novels.

>>724921137
A woman's cunt doesn't start smelling like roses just because you sniffed her asshole.

>>724921230
i think vader was still pretty wary of obi wan, old men with sticks aside, in a through line you can see the fight as vader being extremely cautious of obi wan while still thinking he's surpassed him
it's also pretty clear he wasn't expecting obi wan's body to just vanish like that, it probably spooked him for a good minute

>>724918589 (OP)
Windu demolishes him, he was one of the handful of Jedi who had a chance to take down Palpatine and considering how Palpatine had Dooku on a tight leash we can see how a fight between the two could go.

>>724920994
>>724920684
Star Wars games where force users are rare, imagine having to fight a Jedi Knight as a boss fight while you're just some stormtrooper.

>>724922034
it should be incredibly hard to kill one. Jedi are literally what you dont want to run into

>>724921342
You don't neccesarily get Sith eyes even if you are a dark sider. Also Dooku DOES have them in some moments of passion in TCW TV series. It's more about totally giving into your emotions and letting the dark side flow through you than raw dark side power. Dooku has a reasonable level of control over his emotions. In real life iirc Christopher Lee just didn't want to wear contacts when the films were being shot.

>>724919440
Dooku's dueling style doesn't suddenly change just because he's Sith. It's not, "Oh shit, I'm Sith now, so I swing a lightsaber completely differently and without any input on my previous knowledge, experience, or training!"

>>724922034
The power levels have huge gaps even before force users. Remember the bosses in Republic Commando? Grievous' elite droid guards were literally droids built for fighting jedi, but of course were still just droids. Wookies as well were renowned as one of the fiercest warrior race and not something you could handle alone.

>>724918589 (OP)
Mace Windu's Form VII (Vaapad) "feeds" on Dark Side power, that's how he defeated the otherwise more powerful Sidious. Sidious is obviously > Dooku as well.

If Dooku isn't aware of this characteristic of Vaapad, Mace Windu wins, but if he fights without using the Dark Side (something Dooku as a former Jedi Master knows how to do) then it can go either way.

>>724922118
>You don't neccesarily get Sith eyes even if you are a dark sider.
Because it was a retarded ass pull

>>724919926
>Obi Wan at the height of his prowess
Carlos!

>>724922519
Depends how tightlipped Mace was about it. Dooku and Mace probably would've sparred countless times in the temple, and was a Master on the Council I believe.

>>724922519
>Form VII (Vaapad)
moronic trash

>>724918589 (OP)
mace windu would win because anakin beat doodo, it's simply

>>724919926
grevious would get grieved by everyone, he isn't force sensitive

yoda, palpatine, mace windu would all body anakin

they would also beat vader in pure light saber fighting

yoda and palpatine would beat vader in force ability

old obi wan would beat dooku easily

quigon should not have lost to maul, it is a plothole

>>724923006
>old obi wan would beat dooku easily
Prime Obi-Wan got literally ragdolled

>>724922945
eu is cool tho

>>724923006
I've never seen a post so wrong before.

>>724923098
obi wan was not prime, he had much learning to do, force users get stronger with age until they get too old and want to die to become one with the force

dooku was at the height of his power when they fought, it wasn't fair

old obi wan vs old dooku would last 10 seconds

>>724918589 (OP)
>who'd win some black dude in his 60s or some white dude in his 90s

>>724919980
Classic Trilogy > Prequels > Rogue One > retarded chicken > political situation in the world > shit >>>>> cringe >>>>> listening to nickelback >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reddit > collecting funko pops > concord = "star wars" (excluding rogue one) created by mr mouse

>>724921342
>His grape-flavored lightsaber is a combination of red-blue for a reason
The reason is that Sam Jackson wanted purple.

>>724919980
They are objectively bad films with some kino moments and cool aesthetics. They aren't irredeemable trash fires, but they did do harm to the IP.
One example that comes to mind is despite how bad ass everyone thought the Clones were, it does take away the mystery of Episode 4 when Luke mentioned the Clone Wars without any context at all. Your mind conjured up all sorts of possibilities and monsters across a galactic scale. At least what we got was nice to look at.
Sadly you can't say this for any parts of the Disney films. They aren't just bad films. They are terrible.

>>724923006
>grevious would get grieved by everyone, he isn't force sensitive
force sensitive =/= powerful
>yoda, palpatine, mace windu would all body anakin
they win high diff
>they would also beat vader in pure light saber fighting
truth
>yoda and palpatine would beat vader in force ability
wrong
>old obi wan would beat dooku easily
true
>quigon should not have lost to maul
but he did, qui-gon really wasn't much of a fighter and Maul was trained with the purpose of killing Jedi

>>724923437
respect the canon

How strong would Vader's experience in Anakin's functional body be?

like imagine he wins on Mustafar and stays in peak physical condition for the next 20 years while still doing all the Vader stuff

>>724922672
Yes.

>>724922747
> anakin beat doodo
RotS Anakin is also > Windu in terms of raw power. As per Nick Gillard, Sidious, Yoda and RotS Anakin are tier 9 duelists (but Anakin's mind isn't on the same level of his battle skills), Mace Windu is a high tier 8 and RotS Obi-Wan is a tier 8 (most likely a mid tier 8). We don't know Dooku's tier, but he is obviously > RotS Kenobi / pre-RotS Anakin level.

>>724919980
Despite what revisionist RedditLetterMedia cultists say, EpIII was a huge hit at the time and was immensely popular and left the whole franchise on a huge high for everyone

>>724918589 (OP)
I like the lightsaber forms, but Windu's
>Nu-uh! I get a special +5 to all attacks and get advantage on all rolls against Dark Side users because I'm special!
is just retarded.
Dooku was supposed to be the best 1v1 duelist because he spent years training for it while everyone else was fucking around deflecting lasers, why should Mace trump him?

>>724919926
Genndy Tartakovsky Grevious
>but muh non-canon
Non-canon is better than Shitsney canon

>>724923610
They went on to defend the sequels, their opinion is retroactively worth jackshit

Why didn't more sith/jedi fight like this?
Feels natural for someone like Yoda to do

>>724923591
Palpatine straight up tells Yoda that Vader will be stronger than either of them. And both Yoda and Palpatine are ridiculously powerful with the Force.
Pretty sure Disney's retarded canon actually has suit Vader as stronger than if he wasn't ever burned because it makes him so mad all the time. But that's retarded so I disregard it. It's best if Vader was utterly kneecapped by Mustafar.

>>724923671
never forget that fat fuck said TFA was 'everything he wanted it to be', bring it up on /tv/ and you WILL get pajeet-tier cultists accusing you of being 'still seething'

>>724922519
>that's how he defeated the otherwise more powerful Sidious.
The thing about that, is that Sidious intentionally sandbagged to Windu as part of his 4D chess keikaku bullshit. I do wonder how well Windu would do against Sidious if he were actually trying his best to win. Part of me believes Windu would still pull it off, in a Belmont vs. Dracula sort of way.

>>724923591
He kills Palpatine and the timeline goes completely sideways.

Also I think lucas said that Anakin was twice as strong as palpatine in the force pre lava bath and then reduced to 80% after being put in the vader suit

>>724923601
extremely hideous artstyle

>>724923006
Qui Gon died because the force needed him to die. It made him an immortal ghost as an apology since it actually liked him (unlike the rest of the jedi) and told him how to make his friends immortal, so it was alright though.

>>724923730
This is honestly one of my favourite things that I'm shocked has only come up a handful of times in Star Wars.

>>724919980
I don't seethe about them like Gen Xers do but objectively they aren't good films. The scores for them are great though.

>>724923601
>my powers have doubled since last we met, Count!
>what, you mean last weekend?
God I hate TCW so fucking much

>>724923732
to be fair, the idea that someone could be a brain in a jar and still the most powerful force user ever would work pretty well with the OT interpretation of the Force where it's just purely willpower exerted over reality

>>724918589 (OP)
Dooku would get rocked
his dueling style does well vs. highly defensive styles(which is why he beat Kenobi soundly) but is VERY weak versus very, very heavy handed offense(why Anakin curbstomped him)
Vaapad is basically the "i fight with a raging boner at all times" fighting style that rides the line of Light/Dark and Windu's ability to see Shatterpoints would make it an ez win

>>724923775
Dude jobbed against Chad Maul , should´ve waited for his bitch boy to join in

>>724921134
>>724921324
Why the fuck does any jedi listen to the code if it just makes a weaker jedi, blinds your emotions, and makes you more susceptible to the dark side?

>>724923781
best part about it is that it lets a force user remain completely calm in battle which is frankly peak jedi if done right
and also would unnerve the fuck out of any opponents, imagine someone is fighting your best attempts off while not even holding their lightsaber, they look completely calm, as if meditating in the privacy of the jedi temple

>>724923846
An abomination of nature cyborg should be hampered in connecting to the Force desu
Whether because muh Midichlorians or not, being a robot should fuck you Forcewise

>>724923746
Mace's force power basically gives him rubber banding. So the stronger his opponent is, the better he fights. So Palpatine would get a hell of a fight either way.

>>724923868
maul's fight with obiwan was easily the best thing about the prequels

>>724923732
>It's best if Vader was utterly kneecapped by Mustafar.
Yes, and it puts the fact that Vader was still the greatest of all time (until Luke) into perspective. Heavily nerfed, still the strongest in the galaxy.

>>724923746
Careful saying that, a bunch of tards are going to come out raging at you. Apparently they're incapable of realizing the only way Palpatine gets what he wants was by Anakin seeing one of the good guys trying to assassinate him, and that merely killing Windu wouldn't have gained him anything.

>>724923908
It was supposed to help prevent them from going darkside by removing temptation sources but they overdid it and the order of bane infiltrated the jedi multiple times and fucked with them

>>724923746
>Sidious intentionally sandbagged
holy cope, you really think Sidious electrocuted himself near to death on purpose?

>>724923730
Why do they use swords at all, why not just do this all the time?

>>724923737
seriously as flawed as 1 and 2 were, at least they added more to Star Wars than they removed
7 and 8 not only add fucking nothing, they remove things

Oh this whole new republic everything the OT worked towards? yeh it gets blow up, poof gone, stops existing because 3 planets were nuked

>>724922168
His channeling of emotions does affect things though

>>724923951
Anakin is never once integral to the plan to overthrow the Republic and murder the Jedi Order. He's just a sweet bonus to rub the Jedi's faces in it as he takes them down. Everything he accomplished could have been done if Anakin was never picked up on Tatooine.

There's something about the Phantom Menace I find very alluring. There's a very mysterious and mystical air about it. Maybe it was the fact it was the first Star Wars since the OT, maybe it was the grandeur and wonder of the Republic seen at this period in time or the pulp adventure feel of places like Naboo or Mos Espa. Whatever it is this prequel in particular has a very wondrous aesthetic and atmosphere.

>>724918589 (OP)
Are the lightsaber forms even canon anymore

>>724923509
>but they did do harm to the IP.
I'd say they did a lot of good for the IP. Basically all the best games came from the prequels. It gave us Genndy wars. It gave us 2008 wars (it had a lot of good episodes), and it gave us some good comics.

>>724918589 (OP)
What's the advantage and disadvantage of curved hilts on lightsabers? Why doesn't anyone else use them

>>724924010
I think in one of the Disney comics, Anakin asks Obi-Wan why they don't fight with guns so they can protect people more effectively. Obi-Wan feeds him a line about how the Jedi use lightsabers because they are a symbol of elegance and also restraint. They could be stronger but choose not to be.
Anakin looks at him like he's retarded.

>>724923732
Both the EU and Disney depict Darth Vader as more powerful than the Anakin we see in the prequels, but less than what he could have been. The reasons are different between them, but that much is the same.

The whole discussion is just the retarded byproduct of Lucas deciding Anakin Skywalker needed to be the most special guy of all time, though. None of this shit is even a relevant question to the OT.

>>724923932
I could imagine a truly dedicated jedi could overcome that handicap, by realizing what he lost, his body, and what he didn't, his mind, and working from that perspective could regain full use of the force through contemplation that their body was never truly them

a bit like how force ghosts are purely a lightside thing

putting a sith in a robot designed to torture him however yeh, that should absolutely fuck them over, doubly so if they come to rely on it

>>724918589 (OP)
We'll never know because, apparently, no one ever thought that source material that revolves around dueling with laser swords, would make for a good fighting game.

>>724923564
It also had "bad motherfucker" written on the bottom.

is visions any good

>>724924165
I mained Grievous.

>>724924185
Bunny.

>>724918589 (OP)
m*ce was a pussy and would have panicked in this situation so I give this to GODku

You know what could have been a cool moment in 2 for Yoda?
Rather than him lighting up a lightsaber and flipping around frantically
He concentrates, and uses the force to shut Dooku's lightsaber off

And Dooku panics the fuck out at that

>>724924016
And there it is. Anakin had been an incredibly important piece in Palpatine's game for like 13 years, anon. If he wanted Anakin as his apprentice, and he very clearly did since he'd been grooming him since he was 9, he needed to make it happen before killing all the Jedi. The timing was everything. Him not being 100% necessary for the birth of the Empire doesn't make him 100% unnecessary.

>>724923730
only a pussy would fight like this

>>724924185
Yeah, it's got art inspired by a level from Rogue Squadron 2 in it, plus canon naked Aayla boobs.

>>724924260
Why did they even bring this scrub ass loser Jedi to Geonosis lmao he clearly can't fight. Should have shipped his scrub ass off to the agri-worlds with the rest of the Force sensitives who suck too bad to be a Jedi.

>>724924260
my fwarking hero and dooku

>>724923639
Vapaad is so massively misunderstood, it's not a literal force technique or something that literally redirects the dark side. It's the jedi version of Juyo with a specific battle philosophy that allows the user to match the ferocity of the opponent without jedi getting caught up in the powerful emotions of battle. It's like how a real life martial artist uses an attacker's force and momentum against them. The more vicious you are the more vicious vapaad becomes against you.

>>724924329
>plus canon naked Aayla boobs

>>724924260
>I'm here for the job
This fraud was a Jedi MASTER?

>>724923996
I think that nasty monster face was his real face, and the nice old man was just a mask made with dark side magic. And yes, I do think he electrocuted himself half to death because he was that confident his plan would work.

You have to remember this man has the biggest ego in the universe

Emperor Chadpatine

>>724924317
how is having such absolute trust in your own abilities you don't need to hold your lighsaber being more of a pussy than just holding it in your hand for safety?

>>724918589 (OP)
Windu defeated palpatine so him

>>724923868
*chud Maul

>>724918589 (OP)
Vito blows them both

The ROTS novel is canon and confirms Count Dookie was the best saber duelist because he was one of the only ones who specifically used lightsaber training that was designed for duels.

Obi Wan's style was the basic level 1 style that they teach to babbies to deflect blaster bolts and the fundamentals, but he maxed that shit out and basically had a full parry build.

Anakin was retard strength + high dex build

Qui Gon and Yoda used max dex flippy force build

Mace Dindu used his super sekrit style that let the dark side flow through him without touching him, and turn back upon the sith.

In terms of Elden Ring
Count Dookie: High dex rapier, parries for days
OnlyWans: All points in Stamina. Block until you hit them once and win.
Anakin: High dex/str with busted stats, all offence
Mace Windu: Arcane mystery nigga shit that reflects your weapon arts back on yourself
Yoda: flip ring from Dark Souls 1 on steroids, spams rolls non stop
Luke: nightmare stat spread across the board, until EU where he eventually has every stat at 99

>>724924018
I think its aesthetically the best in the series. It has those beautiful sci fi vistas I love so much. Space Italy, Metropolis but in color, a fancier remake of the sets from episode 4.

>>724924647
>The ROTS novel is canon
It's not but it should be since it's literally the best piece of Star Wars media ever produced.

>>724924631
esl statement

>>724924165
They did have that one shitty PS1 game. Other than that its just VS modes on non-fighting games.

>>724924647
Obi-wan's method is great for killing cyborgs.

>>724924731
Ok, it WAS canon until the Mouse but I choose to ignore reality and anything Star Wars related since Disney bought it

>>724924018
Episode I is packed with SOVL

>>724924697
Love the design of these, helps to set apart episode 1 from the OT in a good way
a sleek ship made by a planet that isn't a hyperefficient empire or a scrappy revolution

>>724924631
gay

>>724924753
The joke is that he gives them blowjobs, because he's gay...

>>724924836
The more I watch the prequels, the more I love them. Except for ep2 but I don't chalk that up to it being bad, I'm just an autist that hates budding romance stories in all movies.

>>724924836
Raise your hand if you'd love a podracing sports movie

>>724924893
well ok i wasnt sure if you meant that or that he is better than them as in the statement "blows them both away" or "...the fuck out" etc

>>724924857
I remember playing Rogue Squadron in 1998 and seeing the Naboo Starfighter for the first time as a secret ship before the release of Episode I. Life changing shit.

>>724924857
as I got more appreciative of classic sci-fi over the years the N1 and Padme's ship soon became some of my favorites

>>724924447
Nah doesn't make sense
Palpatine sandbagging Mace, losing a lightsaber then electrocuting himself to death to get facial surgery just to buy time for Anakin to get there is too convoluted of a plan
Keep in mind we see him visibly struggle in the duel against Mace

>>724924907
There's an edit which turns the prequels into one movie, and I hear that works much better because it cuts out a lot of the autistic romance stuff. Which, whilst important, really didn't need to be detailed
>These people fell in love and the romance was forbidden
Is all you need to know, as it's a catalyst for events. Not the events themselves.

>>724924992
>Keep in mind we see him visibly struggle in the duel against Mace
part of that is because the actor really wanted to do the stunts himself and they did palps vs windu before vs yoda, when he had more practice apparently

>>724924963
I hate people who say it's too shiny or sleek
it's the diplomatic official vessel of the Naboo royalty, of course it's gonna stand out

if it looked like a god damn rebel freighter that would be the weird thing

>>724924114
>It gave us 2008 wars (it had a lot of good episodes)
TCW is what prequel haters acted like the PT was.

>>724925104
tfw no original uncut Anakin vs Dooku and Palpatine vs Windu fights because of the limitations of elderly actors

>>724925023
I think the prequels would need more changes than that
the biggest mistake that the prequels made is honestly, that Anakin was too young in episode 1

now I get what Lucas was going for, showing Anakin as an innocent child before the dark took over
but it prevented the truly important thing that episode 1 should have been doing: setting up Anakin and Obi-Wan as friends
That's what episode 1 should have been about, they meet, get forced together by circumstances and they become friends

If anything, one of the climactic moments of episode 1 should have been Anakin saving Obi-Wan's life

>>724924114
>It gave us 2008 wars (it had a lot of good episodes)

>>724919980
They were mediocre at best but at least they tried to tell a cohesive story.
Miles better than the sequel trilogy.

Anakin Sadwalker

>>724925180
prime (((christopher lee))) as dooku would have been megakino

>>724923908
it was likely a pretty gradual thing, happening over the course of centuries
look at how many religious institutions now are a mere bastardization of what they used to be in the past, these things didn't happen overnight

>>724925304
>shitty retarded autist post
I seriously hope you guys dont shygddt

>>724923730
I like wuxia Yoda but this would have been even cooler for him to do.

>>724925374
Kind of dumb to make Yoda 800 years old, then.

>>724925314
Its a missed opportunity for that to not be the final line in the book desu

>>724925426
Anyone else kinda hate how Revan was later made out to be a super powerful duelist later on?
I kinda liked when he wasn't necessarily the strongest sith ever, but his strategic genius let him punch far above his weightclass

>>724924907
I'm of the opinion that ep2 desperately needs a director's cut with more scenes to flesh out those romance scenes. Anakin talking politics with Padme's parents is an opportunity to world build and also make their relationship seem more real than some sappy romance. And a lot of other scenes beyond that.

>>724924631
Does he spit or swallow?

>>724925498
Was that part of the MMO?
And yeah, I liked him for being just a really smart and resourceful strategist.

>>724925536
One of the great mysteries. He's always interrupted.

>>724924329
It disturbs my autism how much R34 gets the color of her nipples wrong.
But to be fair, I didn't expect them to be hot pink.

>>724925530
>chad fasc man talks politics with the turbo hippy Naberries
based

>>724925180
I don't know why Lucas just didn't let Nick Gillard do his shit. As much as I love RoTS, half of the action scenes suffer from being shot way too close up. Obi-Wan vs Grievous and Palps murking the council members along with dueling Mace suffered the most.

>>724924925
it would be all cgi unfortunately

>>724925530
I'd also have changed a plot point significantly
Instead of the critical moment being Anakin killing sandpeople
Have it be Anakin massacring the big ruling slavers of Tatooine
Have it be his mother wasn't killed when kidnapped by sandpeople, have it be that said ruling slavers tried to "reposes" her and things went south

Would work really well with Anakin talking politics with Padme, establish pretty clearly that Padme is a die-hard anti slavery politician to the point the senate considers her a radical

And then the "women and children" moment isn't women and children of sand people, it's the wives and children of the slavers that got caught up in his anger

>>724924857
This and the Jedi Starfighter are my two favorite ships in the series.

>>724925693
oh and as the point of contention, have it be that the Republic made a deal with said slavers, they're being left alone in exchange for supporting the Republic in the war
Padme has tried to end this diplomatically several times and failed, and Anakin instead solves it permanently, through good old murder

helps establish why he dislikes the republic and why he thinks he can do better in 3

and you know also helps explain why Padme didn't dump him, there's a gulf of difference between Anakin telling her he killed sandpeople vs Anakin telling her he killed slaves she thinks are objectively evil

>>724919926
>>724923006
>>724923524
But what if it's 2003 grevious

>>724925693
>>724925772
Counterpoint: fuck those sandpeople, I like when they die.

>>724925832
Based.

>>724925171
Its got just as many good episodes as it does bad ones. For every Astromech Lost of Gulliver's Travel's knockoff, there's a Darkness on Umbara or a Cad Bane episode. Its just as much a mixed bag as a the prequels, its just longer.

>>724925785
The cartoon one? He was only good against scrubs. Anyone with any competent force power humiliated him.
>Dooku used force push and Grievous couldn't fight back
>As soon as he meets Mace, he instantly uses force crush and destroys his chest, giving him his trademark cough

>>724925832
I mean you could have still had sandpeople be working for the slavers and have him slaughter a bunch of them as well
have your cake and eat it too

>>724925648
>mfw anakin going on a politically motivated rant about why he hates sand. And more importantly sand people
I didn't know I wanted this

>>724925693
>>724925772
That's pretty bad, anon

>>724925259
Fuck you, it did. I won't let anyone say Darkness on Umbara was anything but kino.

>>724925925
Kai Mundi and Shaak Ti aren't scrubs tho and he decimated them

>>724925627
I need to see these canon Aayla boobs.

>>724925925
>He was only good against scrubs
He btfo Shaak Ti and was about to btfo Ki-Adi Mundi (after having started severely outnumbered) before reinforcements arrived and forced him into retreat.
I think the Ithorian Jedi during the Palpatine escape was also a Jedi Master. Not sure about the doot door alien.

Who in sci-fi can beat him?

>>724925969
Kai Mundi got BTFO by a couple of clone troopers

>>724925498
I just wish Kotor 1 was written by more competent writers so I can actually play a high functioning psychopath sith lord, rather than a saturday morning cartoon villain.

Probably Windu. He was the better lightsaber combatant and about thirty years younger.

>>724925969
>>724926002
>Shaak Ti
>Ki-Adi Mundi
scrubs

as much as people meme on the prequels for having too much politics unironically one of the issues the sequels had is they didn't have enough politics

we absolutely needed a good explanation for where the fuck the first order came from

>>724926070
desu getting killed during Order 66 means you weren't a shitter since you survived the war to the end. Look at some of the dogshit Jedi that died on Geonosis at the start of the war.

>>724926037
The Shrike? Literally any Q from Star Trek.

How about Rei Skywalker vs Darth Maul?

>>724926085
Kotor 1, 2 edition
But yes we really needed some peak pragmatism options, it's one of the most KINO villain archetypes after all
disregard morals, acquire results

>>724926179
Has Maul ever won a fight?

>>724926134
Don't worry about it, aren't you excited to have the eeeevil Fascist Empire vs the down on their luck scrappy Rebels again just like the 70s?

>>724925902
I politely disagree and you simply cannot convince me that Anakin ever had a padawan, or that clones had mind control chips implanted in their brains, or that Maul somehow returned, or that General Grievous isn't really a threat to anyone, or that R2 had a duel with an evil version of himself, or that Cad Bane can solo two Jedi in their prime, or that Mandalorians were ACKually pacifists and Jango was a liar, or that there are avatars of the positions of the Force that act like Gods in their own little space that just don't get mentioned at all ever again.
It's shit at a conceptual level and the era had already been handled better.

>>724926070
His clones and clone Commander REALLY fucking hated his guts. And they were all pretty hard-core as far as the regular legions go.

>>724926156
Damn, you really need to step it up to Q tier to beat it?

>>724926210
>or that R2 had a duel with an evil version of himself
You could probably convince me of this one. The other things are shit tho

think of vapaad as force aikido

the harder a sith tries to fight, the stronger windu gets

>>724926203
fucking hell the sequels could have been ABOUT the first order
show the flaws of the new republic, show why people would WANT a fascist order, show THEM as the underdog at first who gets underestimated by everyone but a small band of outcasts who call themselves the rebellion

Frankly starkiller base could have been a perfect tool for this if it was used properly
Have starkiller base be something the new republic built in secret, maybe say it's construction was started during the Empire and the new republic never stopped building it despite Leia's objections, and ultimately the reason she broke with the new republic

then have the First Order commandeer it in the first third of the movie and have the firing of it be framed as a false flag attack with everyone blaming the new republic

BAM good explanation as to why people flock to the first order, not complex, just an actual reason

>>724926194
He beat up an old man shortly before being cut in half and thrown down a bottomless pit to his permanent death by the old man's vengeful student.

>>724926237
It was just the first one that came to mind since Shrike's whole thing is time manipulation and the Q exist outside of time. I'm sure there are other sci-fi beings that could beat him. Maybe some of the higher tiers in Star Wars but I'm not too knowledgeable about them.

>>724926210
I hate the mind control chips so fucking much. It wasn't even close to neccesary to make it believable that clone super soldiers that were mentally conditioned so hard wouldn't follow their orders even if they had personal gripes with them, that the conditioning made it so uncomfortable for them like a druggie off his drugs to refuse an order from the Chancellor. I like a lot of things about TCW but taking their humaniztion so far as to deny what they are is one of the worst fucking things Filloni has done to Star Wars if not THE worst.

>>724926210
on the other hand it gave Anakin some desperately needed characterization that wasn't him already halfway to the dark side or a cringy teenager

>>724926397
Sorry pal, Disney ain't capable of nuance. You're never getting "here's why people might want the space nazis"
You're getting "don't worry about it, they're in power because they just are, fuck you pay the ticket admission. Also Luke Skywalker is a failed old hobo. Fuck you"

Star Wars is its clones vs droids, and its Old Republic vs Sith Empire. Modern Jedi/Sith, bounty hunting etc. is rather entirely unrelated to the overall grandiose of the galaxy, it's just (you)r fantasy of exploring a galaxy as a lone cowboy badass or space wizard.

>>724926454
>that were mentally conditioned so hard wouldn't follow their orders even if
Fuck I meant would follow their orders

>>724926464
>the characterization in question is absolutely incongruent with the movies and makes Anakin Skywalker into generic action man, Han Solo with the Force
>basically who movies Anakin might daydream himself as

>>724926424
Maul barely beat Qui-Gon. Then Obi-Wan kicked his ass. Ten years later he came back and lost every fight after. I honestly do not see why people in the verse are intimidated by Maul. Ahsoka kicked his ass at least twice that I know of and he has, like, ten inches on her.

>>724926134
The prequels sucked because they were fucking boring not because of politics

>>724926464
I don't think so. He had no development throughout the entire show, he was already his Episode 3 self but in a hammy and sometimes OOC way that felt like a complete departure from Hayden Christensen.
In fact, I'd say that they skipped all of his potential development and attempted to give it to Ahsoka instead just so they wouldn't have to work twice as hard to develop two characters.
TCW SHOULD have been about angsty Anakin becoming his RotS self. Even the miniseries did this, partially.

>>724926454
Given the lived experience of the Clones (no childhood, no bonds outside of the military unit, constant training since birth to follow orders), the mind control chips are already unnecessary. What makes them SUPER unnecessary is that Episode II literally tells us that the Clones are genetically altered to be compliant and listen to any order given to them by the chain of command.
What the FUCK was George thinking

>>724926516
I know
still it could have actually been a powerful message, start the trilogy by showing why people would want to support space nazis
second movie is about the nazis in power and why they suck more than even the flawed republic
and third movie is about the people waking up and getting together to kick out the space nazis

again, nothing complex, but a decent enough thing to build a trilogy around
you know if you weren't fucktarded and made the star wars sequel trilogy without any fucking planning of any kind and gave movie 8 to someone who hated the director of movie 7

>>724926607
>Then Obi-Wan kicked his ass.
Obi-Wan lost the lightsaber duel to Darth Maul. Maul yeets him into the pit and destroys his lightsaber. He had the duel won. He died after because he decided to arrogantly hotdog around like a clown, but fight-wise, he kicked Obi-Wan's ass.
The other things never happened because Maul was chopped in half and died falling down a bottomless hole on Naboo.

>>724926668
I guess that's true
and much more focus on say, how utterly wrong the jedi order was for actually allowing anakin to fighting in the clone wars, despite him getting results
because he wasn't ready mentally

>>724925464
yoda was grandmaster during a very quiet time in galactic history, it was very likely that the sith lords before the prequels were waiting until yoda was too old to be a major threat before acting openly, and even then he could still go toe to toe with dooku and sidious, only failing to defeat either of them due to prioritizing lives with dooku and having the positioning disadvantage with sidious

>>724924339
>>724924425
That guy had just recently become Jedi Master, and he was mostly known for solving conflicts in a peaceful manner. He was indeed not ready for such a large-scale battle, less so trying to duel one of the best lightsaber duelists in the series.

>>724926070
he got surprised by them and was still one of the only jedi to actually react fast enough to fight back, even if it was only for a few seconds

>>724926861
it feels like, even for the jedi order, if you know someone is a great diplomat you don't send him off to fight a war

>>724926219
>His clones and clone Commander REALLY fucking hated his guts
why, was he an asshole to clones?

>>724918589 (OP)
Windu, easily

>>724926668
I genuinely hate Matt Lanter's Anakin. The voice just doesn't suit him and I hate how every project involving PT Anakin since TCW has used Lanter for his voice instead of getting someone to do a Hayden impression (like Mat Lucas before). It feels like they were embarrassed about Hayden's Anakin at one point and I frankly find that disrespectful.

>>724926930
mace kinda just grabbed all of the masters/knights he could get from the temple and they decided to bumrush geonosis
the end result was obviously terrible

>>724926930
At least let the guy show up with the Clone Troopers like Yoda if he's a known combat scrub.

>>724918589 (OP)
I wish mace lived i know Samuel said he prefers mace to have die as part of the greater tragedy but it sucks that's how he ends. Also mace vaapad is busted

>>724918589 (OP)
Both of them against best boy Tulak Hord

>>724926984
If Disney doesn't do a
>WINDU: A Star Wars Story only on Disney+™
with an elderly, scarred Mace Windu, I'll eat my hat.

>>724926964
The only one of that crew that was worth a shit was Kit.

>>724923509
>At least what we got was nice to look at
The PT looks abysmal most of the time. TPM is the only halfway decent looking film.

>>724926070
To be fair, it's already shown that even someone like Grievous would rather not stick around and get turned into Swiss cheese when outnumbered by some clones.

>>724920923
Dooku was honestly good at heart the evil of the galaxy pushed him to turn to the dark side

>>724926703
I have a hard time believing this was a George thing, Filloni treats most of his characters like they're his children, it had to have been him. So Rex and the named 501st crew we know and love couldn't possibly ever be cold blooded killers and kill all those Jedi after all the characterization they got, no sir. So because it is the highest canon that the 501st goes with Vader to do Knightfall, there needed to be a very specific way to absolve them of being child killers but not the rest of the 501st legion, so the mind control chips are neccesary to make that happen. Not trying to suck Lucas' nuts btw because he probably gave Filloni the greenlight in the end, but I have a hard time seeing him come up with that shit.

>>724926934
Literally treated them as disposable tools in the most cold hearted and emotionless sense and regularly got clones killed.

>>724923425
What about Andor?

>>724926703
Because blindly loyal soldiers aren't very interesting. It's better they were fiercely loyal, but still capable of disobeying orders if their heart wasn't in it.

>>724926964
in retrospect, Mace was a god damn terrible jedi
like he had retard strength but he was still a tard
if the jedi order had any common sense they'd have give him the anakin treatment and just used him as a shock trooper

>>724927020
now there's a guy who knew how to have a good time
and he had that cool SWMMP flash game where you could throw the underwater Force balls

>>724927046
Can Grievous deflect blaster bolts, or is that not possible without the Force?

>>724927119
The jedi were to dogmatic and it led to their downfall if they had be more practical Anakin wouldn't have been turned to the dark side

>>724927019
It's genuinely such an easy win and quite literally impossible to fuck up even with their poor handling

>>724927147
he probably could deflect them decently enough, but at the same time the clones absolutely were smart enough to just surround him and blast him from every side which he wouldn't have answers to

>>724927119
The Jedi Order of the Prequels was institutionally retarded. The most glaring scene demonstrating this is how Obi-Wan looks for Kamino. He checks the archives and the information doesn't add up. So he asks Jocasta Nu, the Jedi Librarian. Rather than even begin to consider the evidence, her response is "if it isn't in the archives, it does not exist, end of story"
It takes a child (who has not been totally poisoned by the Jedi's dogmatic idiocy) to point out that maybe someone took the information out of the Jedi Archives.
So Mace Windu was just a product of his time desu

>>724927202
they shove in a ham-fisted racism story about how the jedi order didn't like him because he was black and everything could have been avoided if they could listen to him
on brand for Disney, ruins the character and the movie

>>724918589 (OP)
The Sith vs Jedi fights looked so fucking stiff in the old movies.

>>724927202
>literally impossible to fuck up

>>724923425
A new Hope >The Mandalorian (1-2Season) > Return of the Jedi > The Force Awakens > Empire Strikes Back > Prequels > Last Jedi >> shit >> Rise of Skywalker = Rogue One = Solo Movie

>>724927261
For all the jerking off of Luke vs Vader in Return of the Jedi, every time Vader has to fall down or be driven back it's pathetically comical. Feel bad for the poor giant Chad in the suit.

>>724927248
I highly doubt they would even consider that given racism is never once brought up in his character or in the Star wars mythos as a whole outside of gungans and naboo
Disney would do good with mace because there's nothing for them to really do the character exists and they would definitely consult George on direction

>>724919980
They should've done a Cannonball Run style spinoff based on podracing alone.

>>724927283
you're looking awfully rapeable right now

>>724927224
It's funny to think how much better regarded the prequels would have been if Lucas had swallowed his pride and let someone else direct the movies and help write the scripts. ESB is the best regarded film, and it was also the one that Lucas was most hands off with for the script and directing.

>>724927320
they made the first order racist against the black stormtrooper in the sequels
it's disney, they'll find a way to hamfist in racism

I miss Padme

>>724927367
But George's Prequels are masterful kino tho

>>724927320
... Except for the ineveitable flashbacks of his childhood in the order where he had to overcome bigotry in order to be respected, featuring his tacked on Killmonger hair that every black character has to have now.

>>724927387
Nah I watched that they just treated him like a loser
And fuck that director Boyega went to bat for him and he turned his character into a sidekick relief character he should have been a jedi the first movie foreshadowed it and did nothing with that or his confliction of being raised a new storm trooper

>>724927147
He does it a couple times in the show, but it's done very clumsily to show that he can't do it like a Jedi. Which is understandable, but from the way his cybernetic brain enhancements are described in the visual dictionary for episode 3 you would think he should be capable of it. His brain is on 100x speed of whatever Korean e-sports athletes are drugged up on at any moment which is how he can even keep up with Jedi in lightsaber fights. You have to remember that Jedi are moving at much faster speeds than visually depicted and Greivous is not only matching that but outpacing them often. So you'd think that his cybernetics and machine body would be able to accurately pinpoint where to move his saber to deflect fast moving blaster bolts

>>724927468
on the other hand Boyega deserves to be turned into a joke character after what he did to Pacific Rim
motherfucker demanded that both protagonists of the first movie be killed off

>>724927468
Given how Boyega flip flops between blaming Disney and the rayciss fans for the failure of the movies and his character, I for one am glad that they made him a worthless clown who only exists to yell "muhhhh Rey!!!"

>>724927452
I think you guys need to lay off the constant feelings like you're being talked down to or preached at Disney is and always will be profit motivated they don't believe anything that doesn't increase their bottom line so when they do something hamfisted and you get mad at the group that's being used for the messaging just makes you guys come off as midwits

>>724927490
unlike a jedi though he wouldn't be capable of deflecting blaster bolts from angles he couldn't see
so it makes sense for him to not try his luck against multiple opponents because if one of them gets off a shot from an unfortunate angle, he's toast

>>724927542
I think I'm simply going to continue to dislike the bad things that they put out.

>>724927542
>bro they don't care about politics they just want the money
Look at what they did to Luke Skywalker so that they could shove their new diverse heroes down your throat. They didn't just shoot the golden goose, they raped it first.

>>724919980
I don't care for Menace Or AOTC but Revenge Of The Sith is just a fun movie I can watch it anytime. It's crazy how enjoyable it is compared to the 2 films before it.

>>724927612
letting palpatine just go full evil mode in that movie helped so much honestly

>>724927601
Like was jaded from failing kylo the way his father was failed by the jedi order his character arc made sense rey being poorly written doesn't negate that

>>724927651
>Okay Ian, so your motivation for this scene is going to be "you're the evil emperor of the galaxy, okay? and today is the best day of your entire life" can you do that for me, Ian?
>say no more, Mr. Lucas

>>724927542
>is and always will be profit motivated they don't believe anything that doesn't increase their bottom line
Gee they sure have been making lots of profit this past decade. Face it, ideologues are in positions of power and while the company cares about money, the people running Star Wars don't give a single fuck whose money they burn and for reasons unbeknownst to the common man, people like Leslye Headland are simply unaccountable and will continue to fail upward.

>>724927367
Seriously?

>>724927119
windu (and obi wan) were fantastic jedi in their era
unfortunately, being a good jedi in the prequel era mean who could code thump the hardest and back themselves up
the jedi had almost become a parody of themselves in that time, which is one of the reasons why palpatine managed to manipulate anakin into thinking the jedi and the sith were more similar than they were different, because at that time they kinda were on the surface

>>724927712
>Luke was jaded by this idiot writing decision that was invented by the Sequels
I could tell by the way he told Kylo to go fuck himself at the end with no remorse.

>>724927248
that's impossible because windu has almost always been highly regarded by the fans and is treated as a very influential and powerful jedi in the movies themselves

>>724927753
He had failed him nothing he did was going to save kylo Ren

>>724927801
As a Prequelfag, I hardly care about them raping Luke Skywalker's character. But I'm still intrigued that some people don't mind him considering murdering his nephew because of a bad dream and then further not ever apologizing to him for it lmao

>>724918589 (OP)
Windu should beat him considering he almost killed palpatine and would've prevented everything if it wasn't for Anakin distracting windu.

>>724927867
It shows that even Luke the hero is flawed he was so scared of his father returning his irrational fear drove him to become a self fulfilling prophecy plus if you made his as awesome as he was in the extended lore(haven't read just know) you don't really have any tension with rey given Luke is busted strong

>>724918589 (OP)
These two are close to the peak of their generation, and their generation is has the most powerful force users in history. Dooku was the best duelist in the history of the order until he lost to Anakin. Mace is good but I can't see him clowning Anakin and Obi Wan on 5 separate occasions like Dooku did through sheer skill. That being said Mace's shatterpoints are used to counter the dark side, but Dooku's more retrained with his dark side powers. I do think Dooku is leagues ahead in pure skill but Mace could take it with Vapaad. Narratively I do like how they're basically mirrors to each other; the angry jedi and the calm sith, just to show how corrupt the order had become

>>724927308
His legs are robotic, if you did manage to knock his ass down he SHOULD be in trouble.

>>724927418
Masterful garbagekino. Schlockino. Trashkino.

>>724927867
>As a Prequelfag
Out and proud!

>>724927132
seems really dangerous to swing a lightsaber around with those tentacles

>>724927367
>Lucas had swallowed his pride and let someone else direct the movies
You're a fucking tard. He tried as hard as he possibly could to avoid directing them, but literally nobody else would accept the job, presumably for fear of fucking it up.
>Ron Howard
>Steven Spielberg
>Robert Zemeckis
All of them (and more) said no, and that George should direct them all himself.

>>724920502
The way Obi Wan fights is perfect defense. He can't be cracked on the defensive and waits until his opponent fucks up to strike. It's why he mogged Grievous, he was able to blade lock all 4 of Grievous' sabers at the same time easily. It's also how he beat Maul and it's one of the reasons he was a perfect counter to Anakin. Dooku fucks Obi Wan up because Dooku also plays defensively and forces Obi Wan to be aggressive

>>724928130
>heard u need a director to ruin Star Wars, George

>>724923509
This desu. Prequels had an interesting plot with fun world building and great aesthetics with actually cool moments sprinkled in but the story is fucking all over the place with the CGI being really fucking bad at times. Not to mention the hammy dialogue. George was trying to do way too much and it shows. But we at least got a lot out of it with video games and shows that take place during the Prequels.

Disney films are just fucking boring, a convoluted story, and dont seem to have a reason to exist.

>>724924241
>cut from the newest season
maybe for furfags

>>724928182
I don't really care for Abrams as a director, but the direction is the least of TFA's problems. TROS's direction is a bigger issue, but that was clearly a studio-wide panic operation.

>>724919980
They're okay, let's not just throw kino at okay movies shall we? The OT are head and shoulders above the prequels.

>>724928223
>*hyperspace rams a spaceship into your franchise, irrevocably destroying any chance of turning things back around*

>>724928223
if you look at the timeline for the sequels, it went from more or less following what george asked for in the deal until abrams got involved, then it all got trashed for the shitty anh rehash that we ended up with
if any single person could be blamed for the disney sequels outside of kennedy, it's abrams

Dooku has a total of 10 minutes of screentime in the prequels, he should have been established in TPM

>>724928263
Case in point. I think Johnson is a better director than Abrams but the direction in TLJ is obnoxious despite how pretty the cinematography often is. It's the best-looking Star Wars movie after The Empire Strikes Back and I still can't sit through it.

>>724928196
Off topic but I hate how every mod changes the color of the bronze lightsaber in the KOTOR games. I don't even necessarily like the dirty blade, but it was unique and rare and shouldn't be changed unnecessarily when it was clearly designed that way.