Thread 724934361

Even though he was a jobber, I enjoyed my fight with Kagachi from Ninja Gaiden 4. Also Misaki’s betrayal made no sense. Seori literally asked to be killed. Smh the writing in this game is ass.

Yeah, the writing was shit. The very first interaction between Yakumo and Seori made me disregard the entire thing.
10/10 game.

Has KT released a game with a good story? Ever?

>>724934361 (OP)
Kagachi fight felt more like an duel than the fight against Ryu. Against Kagachi i felt like fighting some sort of rival, while against Ryu i felt like a kid trying to avoid a rapist uncle. But maybe that was on purpose...

>>724934361 (OP)
it was kino when he blocked BR attacks so he's excused

my theory is that in the original draft instead of misaki, seori was accompanied by tyran who then kills her. and it would had been tyran that seori gave the magatama so the epic fanservice ryu boss was actually gonna be tyran vs yakumo duking it out who gets to be the master ninja of raven clan wielding the dark dragon sword. no idea how ryu fits into this, maybe he had a separate mini campaign and they just shoehorned him into the main story because fans were freaking out over the sidelining.

>>724937592
Nioh is fine, Dynasty Warriors 7 is kino.

>>724937883
That makes sense since Tyran has a scythe in concept art.

Mission 16's Purgatory is psychotic.
I was so relieved when I finish the third wave and then the game shows the wave number UI and increases it to four?
Very few games ever made me feel that incredulity, despair but ultimately that FUCK YOU BRING IT.
Playing on hard, don't think I'd be able to clear it if Ryu didn't charge Berserk mode so fast because I used it to clear the second wave and it was already full in the fourth.
God bless this game.

>>724938761
gleam is op in berserk mode, helped me too
also, how do you activate ninpo as ryu, playing on keyboard and cant find the button...

>>724938998
Berserk + Shuriken

>>724934361 (OP)
Was I supposed to read it as betrayal? It definitely came across to me more like him just doing what the situation was calling for even if MC wasn't a fan of the outcome.

>>724939671
thank you gamer

>>724934361 (OP)
Wasn't this game a overwhelming flop?

>>724939814
Nope. Kagachi was with the DDO and against the ressurrection of the ~dArK dRaGoN~ because it required the sacrifice of Seori.
I still don't know why Ryu and Kagachi were so adamant about not sacrificing her.
Ryu had already beaten the dork dragon three times and he kills people for a living. Why would one more bitch he barely knows give him so much hesitance?
He would literally save millions, clear the skies from the toxic rain, decrease the amount of fiends and daemons and who knows what else in one easy task he already knew he was capable of doing.
The writing is *really* trash.
>>724939934
So are you but that doesn't mean it isn't a great thing.

>>724939934
Oh its a real floppy alright

>>724939934
And?

>>724940442
>I still don't know why Ryu and Kagachi were so adamant about not sacrificing her.
Only Yakumo can kill the dark dragon permanently, even if the DDO and corpse curse sucked it was still better than the alternative. If Yakumo had failed Seori would have died for nothing had the seals and dark dragon's soul would have returned, Ryu could probably temporary kill it like usual but it would just mean leaving the world in a worse state than before.

>>724934361 (OP)
>Also Misaki’s betrayal made no sense.
Can't betray if he never was your ally. Also, Yakumo grew attached to Seori and couldn't go through the sacrifice.

>>724934361 (OP)
He was never on your side, he just assumed he’d kill you quick and eat the dragon, guys a egotistical fuck like any the fiends shown in the series, Ryu tore him apart easy and he still thought he’d be able to beat your ass knowing damn well he isn’t as all powerful as he thought

>>724934361 (OP)
10/10 game overall and I'm gonna be playing for hundreds of hours still. Obviously the story was disappointing in terms of what it actually told
BUT:
more than that i'm disappointed in how pussies the characters turned out to be. Like the characters (in gameplay) are psychotic ninjas beheading enemies once per second, but then get le emotional over a bitch you met a week ago who herself wanted to get killed? where are all the unethical ninja traps, betrayals, scheming and assasinations? why is the atmosphere of the story so pussy, why even do a M-rated game if your story lacks balls this hard?
I'm not saying you need to do mortal kombat gore or sadism, just some sick, cold japanese ninja tricks that would catch you off-guard time to time to keep the story/pacing unpredictable.
the story lacked charm like that. it's soulless shonen slop for teens.

>bwhahahahaha! I am not actually LITERALLY WHO
>I am really LITERALLY WHOOOOOOOO
>*dies*

>>724943142
But she cute. Who cares about the tousands of other faceless faggots you kill per chapter lol
But yeah agreed, that kind of sucks. Japs have a very hard time actually being edgy for vidya

Did you guys like the boss fights?
I liked the combat system as a whole but the bosses weren't very interesting

>>724943978
They were ok, none of them were offensively bad like old NG games, but DMC is still the peak of the genre in that regard

Kagachi was cool, but he felt kind of pointless. He fufills the exact same function in the story that Ryu does. He could have basically not been in the game and everything would play out the exakt same way

I'll give 100$ to the first nigga who answers me why are the 4 fiends/yokai doing all that shit and no one has stopped them.

>>724943978
Yes, miles better than the older ones

>>724943978
Bosses were never good in ng games but atleast its not as annoying as previous title

>>724945676
they are le evil
Where's my 100$?

>>724945676
they protect the seals so 's cool

>>724943978
Yeah most of them.
Still some of that sucks.
Ryu and Dark Dragon Phantom are amazing.

>>724946030
They weren't protecting the seals before Ryu wrecked and Seori pimped them.

What the fuck is Ryu supposed to do against the flying enemies? Phoenix ninpo? It was already trash with Yakumo but he at least had bloodraven projectiles.
Ryu is so lacking.

>>724946758
Flying swallow
Guillotine Throw
Wind Blades, Inferno, Piercing Void

I think I'm gonna beat all the trials and be done with the game, don't really feel like going through the padding of the main story again on master ninja

>>724947390
I'm taking a break and coming back for the DLC, I've been playing nonstop since launch and burnt myself out a bit

When did pic rel...

>>724947773
...became that?

>>724947832
he grew up in hell

trying to emulate NGB and NGII on linux, the former works well out the box but the latter is a bit funky. at first the character models wouldn't move except for their eyes and equipment, but I just had to toggle a flag in the settings to get it to work. but the other problem is that it freezes every few minutes and I have to alt+f4, which compared to the first issue doesn't seem to be a thing at all when I look it up on google.

anyone tried running these before? also is there a way to get master ninja from the get-go for both games?

>>724947390
>secret onikawa ng+ encounter on master ninja
man this sucks... man

>>724947390
it's not that bad except for 4 chapters but you still need to do side missions if it's your first NG+

so...where's that review that will kill ng4

>>724939814
I took the dark music and evil look on his face and the sinister laugh that followed to imply he thought he was betraying everyone, even if he did what they were already gonna do. He also seems to get off a bit when the dark dragon starts coming back.

>>724949372
Huh? NG players really are retarded.

>>724946758
If you're talking about the niggas who stay high while shooting you, you can bring them down with just your shurikens, they're pretty weak

>>724945007
>He could have basically not been in the game and everything would play out the exakt same way
You can say that for every single character except Yakumo and Seori. I don't know who looked at Ninja Gaiden and said:
>You know what this needs? A half dozen ancillary characters that yelp mostly pointless information to player all the time.
>And make sure they repeat the same dialogue during boss fights that we know the player is going to lose continuously.
But fuck them. I had to straight up turn dialogue volume off during the dog boss fight.

>>724949774
I turned it off for Kagachi, should've been a one time thing. Only when you enter the boss area normally not from resetting the battle

>>724948991
the reviewer got stuck on the last boss on normal so its been delayed

>>724950987
his bf can beat it for him, and write the script
record all the footage, edit it, upload it and make 80 threads on /v/ shilling it

>>724943978
They're all fine which is an achievement in this genre. There's some mediocre ones like the skeleton fish and tank but nothing that's terrible to the point of making me not want to replay the game.

Game would be a lot better if there were no slowdowns during the perfect dodge.

>>724951767
There's a mod for it on nexusmods

>>724951796
Damn, nice. Still I hope Platinum makes it at least an official option to turn it off.

Just remember that ng threads are the majority platinum/dmcucks now. These people also never beat any ng on mn, and they never played ngb or ng2.

>>724953737
I'm a DMC and Platinumcuck and I grew up playing NG too because I was spoiled and owned both playstation and xbox, feel sorry for people who had to pick a side

>>724951402
I believe it.

>>724949627
Talking about the fucking Tengus

>>724951402
>his bf
You telling me my influencer is gay? Am becoming gay?

>>724954905
>my influencer
Grim

Mayo uploaded. Oh boy.

goddamn the vocal tracks are ass, what were they thinking

>>724956198
>destroyed by ultrakill trannies
grim

the game is turning into UT slop very quickly. It's still great but man
Maybe they should bring the speed and combat pacing and enemy agression way down for the next game, and finally kill UTs entirely.
I also want my regular parries and regular ass camera back.

>>724948991
I will not take the opinion of anyone who liked doom the slop age seriously, to be honest.

>>724956860
It's no revengeance but I like it.

>>724937592
Ninja Gaiden 2004/Black

>>724960327
lol
>an ancient evil awakens

>>724959743
yeah, except they shouldnt and should justake UTs hard to gain
>>724956198
I am literally never going to watch these nobodies

>>724959743
RE handled UTs best but this is second best. it flows into combat well and enemies block it very frequently. you also aren't guaranteed the full thing if you kill the first target

>>724961202
That's right, and yeah at least 3RE tried to nerf it too. I don't think it did it well at all though.
A free UT every 2 minutes or so is hardly an improvement. And RE was so baby easy and button mashy that you didn't even need to on land it, you could charge it right away, insane lol, literally a free 3 kills every so often, which doesn't even compare to the free 5 kills you could get with SoB. 3RE was still good dumb fun but as NG it's so bad. The faggots now trying to claim that 4 is totally way worse and ackhtuahllyh totally was faithful to the first 2 games makes my head hurt.

>>724960327
Tecmo =/=Koei Tecmo THOUGH

I am the Steel on my Bone.

>>724948669
Even with a full bar all his power attacks one shot me. His normal attacks can two shot. Granted I have two more health upgrades to get for Yakumo in NG+, but still. Hate this retard and his 2nd phase.

>>724953737
Love NG4
Beat Black on Master Ninja

>>724963032
Shut up.

>>724956198
He's right that the game's handling of your lifebar is bullshit easy on normal. If you're shameless and use every items you find and spend all the cash on more items, you can get away tanking a lot of damage. But you die in 2 or 3 hits in hard mode and MNM will insta kill you so actually no, not really, if you need the game to be more punishing those modes exist.
>oh but I got bored :((
Fair enough but constantly parrying green bullshit for 20 hours in Doom was boring? lol

>>724963032
Same but NG2 and 3RE's MNM.
4 is better than them for me.. so far. I'm currently going through hard mode and it's been amazing, but I still have to see MNM.

>>724934361 (OP)
From the thumbnail it looks like a robo dude with exposed pecs and abs and I think that's really hot

>>724963270
I hate platinum btw, MGR is the only good thing they've done.

>>724934361 (OP)
Kagachi was way too easy, sadly. I like the fight on paper, but it never escalated enough, he died too quickly. Still not there on MN, maybe it's better. Every major boss so far has been a lot more fun. Courtesan with the adds and Sanzeon is just full retard in aggression.

>>724943142
>10/10 game overall
>but the story sucks
ign ratings have been a disaster for the human race

>>724943978
Most of them were at least solid to me. I think what they lacked was probably the epic factor, looking more like a spectacle to blow you away even on a first playthrough.
Because something like DMC5 you're not gonna get challenged on a first playthrough and you're ok with that, you go in expecting that, so you're not really judging bosses too harsh mechanically, you're just enjoying the ride. So things like Artemis feel like a pretty cool boss on a first impression, but the more times I fought it the less impressed I was. NG4 I'm liking the fights more on a second playthrough, not less.

>>724963906
you are a good man for placing the chariot this high

>>724956860
KEK thought I was the only one. I feel like I'm in a weird place about this game's soundtrack in that I agree with the generic praise that it's really good, but I don't actually like any of the songs people praise, and I like MGR's OST, Devil Trigger, all that shit, so it's not a matter of taste.
But stuff like the legacy music being used, the Fuuhaku Sanctum music, the disco levels, that stuff is excellent. A lot of variety and it's all good. Just the DDO buttrock that sucks.

>>724963906
Switch Kurobo and Cetus and I'd agree 100%.

>>724948338
NG2 needs some patch if i remember correctly

>>724964003
It's really good, fighting it with Ryu made me like it even more, looking forward to doing the dual katana only mission on MN.
The only thing I would change about that fight is that when it's spinning around and raining missiles in the arena, I would spawn a few adds for you to fight while avoiding the missiles.

>>724964197
>NG2 needs some patch
Called Sigma 2.

>>724964179
I think the vocal songs were alright, only the first one was really good imo since it's Yakumos theme but the overall songs were amazing and really fitting to each chapter.

>>724964185
I liked him becoming a plane way too much, I can't get over how ridiculous and cool that was, that's definitely coloring my perception. Need to get used to it and stop laughing.

>>724948338
guiltygaming has an emulator settings guide for that, I also heard that there's a fork of xenia that has a button that auto adjusts the config file for your game

>>724948338
I did. The performance wasn't great and the sound was glitching so I gave up, but I had no such game breaking bugs. Followed this guide, worked perfectly, but I'm not on linux, so no clue if that makes a big difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgXrTTpSPJw

What do you reckon 4's budget was?

>>724965132
20kk.
Can't be higher than that.

>>724965132
looks like it was 3 tuna cans considering how cheap some animations are, audio isn't all that great too

>>724963906
>chariot in A
Absolutely based

>>724965132
Lower than modern tn games

>>724962473
True and in that case they never have. All their decent stories were pre-merger.

>>724934361 (OP)
I hope we get more of him in the future. They made it a point to show Yakumo sparing him so I doubt he died from his wounds.

>>724967285
I expect him to have at least a minor role in the DLC.

>>724947832
>>724947773
Not to mention the Dark Dragon you fight in 2 Sigma/Black.

>>724947773
>>724947832
It's actually explained in the story

Chasertech said the game was mid btw. You can't depute him since he's better than most /v/ posters at CAGs.

>>724947832
4 explains that the form of the dark dragon changes depending on the circumstances it was called, summoned in etc. like how many were sacrificed.

>>724967684
>gay furry who played Ninja Gaiden for the first time a year ago or less
Why... why must you FAGGOTS care so much about irrelevant micro e-celebs

>>724968538
But enough about Mork.

erm, can anyone repost my opinions from xitter and pretend they are worth more than they are? I feel pretty lonely sometimes since I don't have a girl so I'd appreciate it, my internet friends.

>>724968538
It's the only thing the NG community has.

the last combat trial as yakumo is fucking ridiculous, just bullshit coming from all directions

Wherever he is, he must also rape.

>>724968429
So... Apparently millions were sacrificed and they didn't bother to show that?

>>724937592
Fatal Frame games have some of the best stories in horror games. Only Silent Hill can really claim to be any better, but I think Fatal Frame 1, 2 and 3 are better stories than Silent Hill 1, 2 and 3

>>724969519
please...?

>>724970031
When I played NG2 as a kid I thought it was a bit weird how surprisingly weak these guys were since theyre so big and scary so Im kind of glad NG4 made them rapemonsters

>>724967684
Funny to see that nowadays eceleb worship supercedes DMC vs NG. Back in the day when Chaser was making great Nero videos showing off tech and teaching people to do it at the end of the day he was still a DMC4 fag and no NG fan would give a shit about how someone who thinks DMC4 is the peak of the genre would rank the games.
I wonder when this change happened that in order to respect someone you must care enough about his preferences to let them influence you.

>>724967684
Chaser is less deranged than the average but he's not any less prone at missing the forest for the trees. His hour-long DMC5 retrospective ignored a bunch of important details, hyperfocused on clear DMC4 combo madder issues (there's a whole section on Vergil's divekick), and during it he self-reported on being unable to use V, DKA or Cavaliere (iirc he didn't even know it had dodge attacks). Then he went and made a therapy videoessay to finally cope with the fact Lucifer is unfinished jank (I mean hello? The weapon barely has any melee attacks?).

He also thinks DMC3's enemy design should be imitated.

Oh, and he plays Tekken.

>>724971337
>wonder when this change happened
Matosis retiring left many searching for a replacement no matter how shitty.

>>724967684
>unironic subhuman nigger who hasnt beaten any NG above normal

>>724971615
Electric Underground has debunked some of Matthew’s stuff and has a far deeper understanding of game design.

>>724971590
>ignored a bunch of important details
>made a therapy videoessay
>DMC3's enemy design should be imitated.
>Oh, and he plays Tekken
The fall continues...

>>724971728
?
Didn't mork get basic shit incorrect about God Hand and DMC3? How could you trust him past surface level bullshit?

>>724971590
>Then he went and made a therapy videoessay to finally cope with the fact Lucifer is unfinished jank (I mean hello? The weapon barely has any melee attacks?).
>He also thinks DMC3's enemy design should be imitated.
>Oh, and he plays Tekken.
All these are based

>>724971590
>Oh, and he plays Tekken.
hey alright, don't need to hear anything else

>>724971008
Making them so tough feels kind of redundant with the inclusion of malhercs.

>>724972001
If you think DMC3 has good enemy design there's a 98% chance you don't play anything past mission 2.

>>724962285
>hardest game in the series to get into
>lies about sob (it's 2, then +1 per weapon level up)
>baby easy button mashy

Look at this shitter, he couldn't even play on normal mode

>>724972256
it's mid, but not because you can't combo them

>>724958489
Mayo destroyed Ultrakill though.

>>724972104
>malhercs
do those guys grab you at all? not sure if it's the same AI or something, they never did much on Hard at least
when they showed up I was kinda scared but they're shitters
Van Gelfs at least are always used in encounters that make them kind of a threat, even if at the end of the day they're the same

>>724972343
I wouldn't even call it mid. A lot of DMC3 kind of falls apart outside the context of the game. It's not a game you want to copy specific things about.

DMC4 has the opposite problem, where there's a lot of cool things to it but they're very disjointed or poorly implemented.

>>724972380
lol
lmao

>>724972304
I'd argue it's the hardest to get into because of how counterintuitive everything about it is.
once you understand it, it's the easiest to break.

>>724972601
idk if he said other games should copy dmc3 enemies, but if he was talking dmc5, then it absolutely should copy enemies from 3, would only improve things

>>724972256
Yeah DMC5 has the best enemy design in the series and it’s not particularly close

>>724972304
It's the only NG i cleared MNM in so no. It's the easiest game by far.
It's a shitty button masher. It doesn't have the fun enemy interaction and CC and movement mechanics the others games have and everything is automatic with no thinking required.

>>724973073
DMC1 has confusingly good enemies

>>724972921
>he said other games should copy dmc3 enemies
It was in reference to a game what kind of game he would make.

>enemies from 3, would only improve things
The enemies in 5 already do everything the enemies in 3 did and more.

Again, if you hold this kind of opinion you don't understand DMC3's enemy design.

closed captions?

>>724973280
Never played desu I always heard it aged terribly

>>724973393
it's better than dmc 5

>>724973393
You should check it out, it's different from the rest of the series but I wouldn't say it's aged badly at all. Well maybe the voice acting.

>>724963906
>Sanzeon in S
Did we play a different boss fight? That boss was aggressively mediocre, the aesthetic was neat but the gameplay sucked ass.

>>724934361 (OP)
Is it really a betrayal of the entire character was a fabrication of Achilles? It was just a disguise to help get the Dark Dragon resurrected. In any case, their goal of resurrecting it was the same, but he was going to kill Yakumo before he could purify it. From his perspective, as a Fiend, Yakumo was just another dumb human helping him resurrect the Dark Dragon again.

Achilles basically killed Seori when Yakumo hesitated, and was gonna do a murder on Yakumo, at which point the Dark Dragon would be resurrected with no immediate resistance. Ryu would probably defeat it again, but it might be centuries before another Raven Ninja could come along capable of purifying it. In the meantime, Achilles can continue feeding on the Dark Dragon whenever it's around.

If you read his description, he basically works to resurrect the Dark Dragon any time it's defeated by using humans as pawns to resurrect it for whatever their own reason may be, then feeding on the Dragon to gain power while it's around.

>>724973292
>It was in reference to a game what kind of game he would make.
hmmmm not that bad, at least he doesn't want to copy devil mid cry 5
>The enemies in 5 already do everything the enemies in 3 did and more.
haha
>Again, if you hold this kind of opinion you don't understand DMC3's enemy design.
yeah alright temu may cry 5 lover

>>724964478
Chapter 18 was abnormally fucking hype with this in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiI7DHPv4hg

I like the vocal tracks, but the instrumental stuff is honestly top tier. It's wild this composer hasn't really done much.

>>724973343
crowd control probably

>>724970979
the first three games were Tecmo not KT. and I disagree. I'd say they have my least favorite plots out of any horror game because of how 70% of it is in the notes and the characters are real milquetoast. Not saying they should be RE quip masters but even stuff like Haunting Ground or CT3 have a more memorable cast than any FF. Also 1 and 2's endings are tragic for the sake of it, in stupid ways not well done ones

>>724973261
>get called out for blatant lies
>double down on retardation
Hilarious.

>>724973760
I thought it was great in every way. Beautiful design, best song in the game, best phase transition, fun and unique moveset to fight against, reminded me of that kino Gantz arc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc_68MilOLY
It really established how different and youkai-like the daemons can be.
That whole area is my favorite in the game.

>>724974470
Haunting Ground is pretty great, and I agree it has the better cast of characters, I just think it doesn't do enough with most of them. As in, the characters and the dialogue are good, just the actual plot itself is pretty weak. Whereas the FF games have rather simple stories, but I find them very effective and even touching. The ending of the first game is definitely my favourite, even if it's tragic it is also heartwarming, with Mafuyu deciding to doom himself all because he wanted a poor girl to not be lonely as she sacrifices herself to save the world.

>>724971590
>he plays Tekken

>>724974989
he was good, expected him to turn into a regular enemy (at least phase one), but oh well

>>724973280
It's alright for its time but people overblow it. Some cool ideas but also plenty of gimmicky stuff.

Ironically, Onimusha 1 came out half a year before DMC1 and that game doesn't have a single bad enemy. In many ways Onimusha 1 is exactly what a lot of people gas their own action games to be, but people don't care about it so it doesn't give you any big boy points.

>>724973393
DMC1 is pretty worth playing.

>>724974042
A fucking rock btw.

Made it to chapter 8 on Master Ninja.
This game is HARD. Somehow the wind valley chapters from hell were actually not too bad on Master Ninja. Maybe going through them on hard softened the blow. The toughest parts were definitely the boss fights that regularly 2 shot or even 1 shots you, most challenging being the ng+ secret oniwaka fight.

>>724973280
It really does, but you only ever fight one enemy type at a time, there's not really any interesting compositions.

>>724934361 (OP)
>Yakumo went 180 and decided to revive the Nigger dragon because Seorie said so (SILENCE HAYABUSA, THE TITTIES ARE TALKING!)
>Ayane appears once, does nothing, never appears again
>random flashback starts, Achilles had Seorie right in front of her and just had to kill her to return the Nigger dragon but waited patiently for Hayabusa to stop him
>Seorie put seals behind bosses to prevent the Nigger Dragon from returning
>then undo's all the seals with Yakumo and helps the Nigger dragon return
>didn't want to even die and could literally have lived her life and let some other young ninja asshole in 60+ years deal with the Nigger dragon
>Kagachi has no right arm, grows one with a power-up and then Yakumo cuts it right off (lmao)
>Nigger dragon mirrors Yakumo as it's final form as a massive asspull
this game is a fucking mess

>>724975427
>A fucking rock btw.
an actual good enemy because he makes you respect him and play more cautiously since you can't stunlock him like usual, has a unique role and purpose in being a slow to take out tank

>>724975648
>makes you respect him
The best way to take them out is to just keep whacking them because then they can't finish their "turn". Preferably with Beowulf which they're weak to and has the best damage output of the DAs.

It does the opposite of teach you respect.

>has a unique role and purpose in being a slow to take out tank
All the other chessmen work like this and iirc they also have more health. There's nothing unique about the pawns except their number; I mean that's what pawns are after all.

Funnily enough the bishops are among the better DMC3 enemies because they don't just have a single attack but can also heal other enemies, and their singular fire attack works at multiple ranges. So I don't know why you think the pawns are special.

>>724975320
Let Kagachi summon a phase one Sanzeon with his daemon arm on Master Ninja

>>724975874

I didn't understand why she sounded depressed during his chapters.

>>724973292
no.
every dmc3 enemy is designed to push the player to learn a certain aspect of the combat. bloodgoyles force you to switch between guns and melee appropriate to the situation. the fallen force you to use air attacks. dullahan forces you to maneuver around enemies instead of ramming into them.
dmc5 fails completely at this. almost every enemy is solved by launching them and abusing the piss easy juggle system to nuke them before they hit the ground. half the enemies have low health rage triggers that you should just skip with wacky wahoo pizza man combos. you soar up into the air with even the most basic launcher, gravity is nearly non-existent and the giant enemy step hitbox + easy access to air launchers lets you gain as much height as you want, so you're too high up to be threatened by anything. that solves almost every enemy.
the exceptions that you don't just juggle, like their shitty nobody clone where they completely misunderstood how nobody is supposed to work, still reward mindless aggression like the buzzing hornet dante has turned into. again, there's nothing to it but hanging out midair doing a quick combo, enemy step, quick combo, and if you get bored, you SDT nuke everything.
dmc3 enemies serve purposes. dmc5 enemies are so bad everyone just "plays" the void with an infinite health bug since it's functionally the same as playing the game normally.

>>724976280
Yeah but DMC3 enemies aren't fun. DMC5 enemies are super fun to play against.

>>724976232
She was used by Achilles to revive the Dark Dragon so I think she's traumatized. She's going around and making the seals with Ryu subjugating the daemons that will become the guardians of the seals.

Ninja Gaiden 5 should be a gacha.

>>724934361 (OP)
this is a character from NG4? looks like a gundam

>>724976408
Ah okay, that kinda makes sense. I didn't put together that she was involved in that resurrection, only that they were sealing it after Ryu defeated it.

Did they use a different ritual for it since she, y'know, didn't die? They do make it clear that different rituals and types of sacrifices can revive it.

>>724976514
If NG4 was made by Mihoyo it would’ve been a better action game.

>>724975427
>Onimusha
remaster or emulation?

>>724976740
Perhaps.

The difference between hard and master ninja seems too big, there's should've been a very hard inbetween.

>>724975452
I think a mod that keeps the encounters and aggression from MN but tones down damage levels to Hard tier would be the most fun way to replay this game after completing all the content.

>>724976740
ng haters are gacha fags?

>>724975953
>The best way to take them out is to just keep whacking them because then they can't finish their "turn". Preferably with Beowulf which they're weak to and has the best damage output of the DAs.
they always hyper armored me but alright
>All the other chessmen work like this and iirc they also have more health.
>So I don't know why you think the pawns are special.
I meant the chess pieces in general, since all of them are rocks and everything

>>724963906
>Another Chariot enjoyer
Based.

>>724977106
>gacha bad!
How’s Reddit treating ya?

>>724976280
>every dmc3 enemy is designed to push the player to learn a certain aspect of the combat
You make it sound very nice but in practice there's nothing to those DMC3 enemies past that initial puzzle solving barrier.

So you have to hit Dullahans in the back? Wow. What are you going to do with that knowledge. Nothing because there's no other way to interact with them and no other enemy works like that.

Compare that to the parry system in DMC5 which is used by a huge part of the roster in different ways, and actually entails the player doing something engaging.

Or you could compare it to the exact same idea of attacking enemies' back which is also in DMC5 (Hellbat, Scudo Angelo, Nobody, Behemoth, etc.). Vergil's side dash even moves him around enemies, much like Shadow's stinger variant moves it through them.

>almost every enemy is solved by launching them
Hell Antenora is introduced in mission 2.

I'm not even going to mention all the other armored or teleporting enemies, or all the ranged enemies.

>half the enemies have low health rage triggers
No? The only enemy that has that is Proto Angelo.

>that solves almost every enemy.
Yeah you should be solving every encounter by doing JC killer bee instead.

lol

>their shitty nobody clone where they completely misunderstood how nobody is supposed to work, still reward mindless aggression
Actually the best way to dispatch Nobodies is to hit the weakpoint on their back to get rid of their masks, then parry them when they bring out the new mask. Once they run out of masks they're completely unable to do anything.

It's actually one of the enemies in the game that best reward paying attention to it.

>everyone just "plays" the void with an infinite health bug
Anon the void has toggleable infinite health for enemies.

Please play the games you post about.

>>724974989
Are they supposed to be the yokais from Nioh?

>>724974993
>even if it's tragic it is also heartwarming
it just came off as extremely stupid to me. he chooses to stay with this ghost broad he literally just met and leaves his sister pretty much all alone since their mom is already dead. Doesn't seem like something anyone would actually do and just exists so that they could add the less retarded ending in the xbox rerelease. I think 3 is the only one that did it well since Rei's bf is already dead in the intro, and while he stays that way she at least gets one last moment with him at the end and learns to live on which fits with the overall theme of the game. It doesn't feel tacked on.

NG4 is such a flop we're a dmc thread now. It hurts but it's also funny.

>>724977310
>Anon the void has toggleable infinite health for enemies.
bug enemy. the enemy is a bug. not a glitch, an insect

>>724977487
The opposite also happens sometimes in dmc threads you know.

>>724977487
I mean yeah, I don’t think anything will ever take the crown from DMC5, especially with Itsuno gone.

>>724977487
NG4 is universally agreed to be a perfect 10/10 game so niggas have to find something to argue about

>>724977638
brother what

>>724977638
NG4 is better.

>>724977665
This.

>>724977638
the crown in question:

>>724977487
I would've kept quiet but then it would've turned into an e-celeb thread instead.

>>724977535
My bad, I actually watch combo demos and most people use Hell Caina so it didn't connect for me.

>>724977330
I don't think so, the term they use in japanese is 妖魔 (youma), it does share a kanji with 妖怪 (youkai) but it's distinct. They mention that youma work under that typical deity gimmick of people believing in them and thinking about them gives them power, so they often scare people because fear is a very strong emotion. If people are afraid of them, they'll continue to exist. But reverence and being treated as local gods is also common. Fiends on the other hand just want to fuck shit up and eat people.

>>724977705
>yakumo kun your tattoo is lower res than usual, are you ok?
>mondainai

>>724978131
kek

>wake up in kangaroo cunt
>still no mork vid
Can this lazy nigger just tell me what to think about the game already?

>>724978361
His opinion is that the suck to target mean that it lacks the fundamental spacing and positioning in NG2, and that the gameplay density is too low.

>>724978361
What game do you think Mork-sama will tell his high IQ viewers to play instead of NG4?

The Cetus boss kill was so sick. Probably the second best in the game with the Dark Dragon being first.

>>724978582
ng dragon sword

>>724978460
>it lacks the fundamental spacing and positioning in NG2, and that the gameplay density is too low

>>724978658
Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword is the most solid and fundamentally sound game in the franchise, you know why? Because it trims all the fat and focuses on the most important thing, the Dragon Sword Density, the DSD. Ninja Gaiden 4 tried to replicate that old school arcade magic and failed by forcing Yakumo into the equation.

>>724961030
It just works

>>724978751
Pete...

>>724978658
That's a based answer. So he wouldn't recommend.

>>724978582
You already know.
Wanted: Dead

>>724978751
>6 meals
Bruh

>>724978582
God Hand

>>724978582
gungrave gore

>>724978897
See this is what NG3 had right. It didn't have any forced mechanics like bloodraven, just the pristine gamey-ness of the dragon sword.

It was smarter by being less intelligent... and that's genius.

Why was Murai so buff though?

>>724978582
Probably wanted dead or some other jank. He should tell people to play doa5 and get some life into that corpse.

>>724979419
I don't know but it seemed to kick in for Ryu later in life.

>>724979419
Dragon peds

is Wanted Dead really as good as Devil's Third?

>>724979609
It's better but that's a very low bar and w:d still feels subpar.

>>724979672
I can't think of a TPS with better boss fights than Devil's Third, unless RE4 and 5 count.

>>724979723
I mean, why wouldn't they?

The more I argue about this game's gameplay with people the more I think it's just brilliant. Even despite the shitty camera and UT spamming which are the only real flaw and I think they only kept that in so the NG2 fags (of which I belong) don't go insane and boycott the game. and even then it's not that bad. I'm starting to think the berserk gauge fills up a bit too quickly but that also the game accounts for this as more enemies end up spawning mid-fight in the bigger fights.

>>724978460
is this the guy that started this whole suck to target thing? I ended up checking over it in training mode and I can confirm that if there's any sucking going on it's like.. half a step's worth of sucking. If troons lametubers think it's worth writing the game off just for this I think they deserves to stay miserable forever because holy shit talk about a nitpick. This isn't like NG1 with super small environement, the camera is far away sometimes so the player needs a tiny bit of help it make sense, but it doesn't erase the spacing or whatever, you can still absolutely and hilariously waste your berserk or blood kill slashes entirely.
Again the enemies sucks you for less than half a step, the rest of what trannies think is "sucking" is just the base moveset's travel distance.
and faggots dare saying I was lying about this LOL.

>>724979894
>is this the guy that started this whole suck to target thing?
Technically it was his ghostwriter.

>>724979894
Some general thoughts are that the succ to target doesn't feel that way when even without enemies the moves just cover more distance, arenas in general are larger. It makes sense. Game is great but so easy to break. Guillotines straight up interrupt red attacks. I need more time with it but after beating all combat trials I feel kinda burned out. Those trials felt shit.

>>724979871
I don't know, I personally would, but RE fags could get their feelings hurt

>>724979894
I think berserk is balanced by it running out even after it's full. I think it'll get cooler with time as you start just rushing through the game like a maniac, keeping berserk as long as you can, activating before reaching the place you want to use it on just so it won't run out and cashing it in the moment the encounter starts to skip a mandatory encounter. To me that is the biggest potential in Berserk.

>>724978460
What really makes that funny is that NG2 is literally the game with the least important spacing and positioning in the whole series.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-QH28QuiPQ

>
This game has, easily, the worst Master Ninja. Getting two shot by every enemy just isn’t interesting, and it makes the issues with the combat just much more difficult to glance over when one random thing (like the game not giving you iframes during a clash) can potentialy ruin an entire run.
>Also, enemy placements are barely remixed at all. It’s mostly just adding spongy DDO (Dildo) enemies to every encounter.

>>724979894
The funniest thing about this game is how the devs obviously haven't tested interactions between a lot of these mechanics and people are uncovering the funniest shit like the ground flying swallows or someone doing berserk kills by perfect dodging right after going into blood weapon mode then charging ut in blood on land
https://x.com/NekuBaba/status/1983709984618950676?s=19

>>724981051
>game having tech is le bug
jesus christ man do you think OLUTs were intended

Ah, now i get it. So we have dmc5 schizos alongside ng4 schizos all duking out to see whose game is shittier while defending their own garbage like its their entire life. And when it combines with pic related, it all culminates in the ng threads of today.

>>724981014
Aiiieeeee ng4sistas don't look

>>724981014
This is the second time I've heard bitching about being vulnerable during a clash and it confuses me, it's already an immensely powerful option that can turn the tide of a group fight instantly, why should it be even stronger? The mechanic already runs the risk of defining the combat system in 1v1 environments, why should it be like that during group combat as well?

>>724981014
>Also, enemy placements are barely remixed at all. It’s mostly just adding spongy DDO (Dildo) enemies to every encounter.
Not really true. Courtesan gets lantern adds, Fuuhaku Sanctum gets spitting boys from the start and so on.
It does tend to replace shitter enemies with stronger variants of said shitters, but isn't that par of the course? You don't get showered in IS from the go playing 2 on Acolyte either.

>>724981174
It's just funny. The other one I've seen of yakumo doing OTs with the bloodraven weapon model but the base OT weapon animations is definitely a bug.

>>724981347
In a group fight it makes sense not to get frames on clash, even more so when the follow up counter spawns an orb. It's high risk for a reason.

>>724981496
Yeah it's genuinely just a skill issue, especially when you have several other, safer options that don't delimb everything in a 20 foot radius of you.

>>724975452
As someone who has NG4 as their first Ninja Gaiden game and only did 1 playthrough on normal before doing MN, Master Ninja wasn't too bad due to the healing items, I think I had under 10 deaths for every level except one where I went into a mandatory multi-wave fight with only 1 small heal.
I couldn't do it without items or getting a good rating though.

Why can't we get hot takes like this instead?

>>724982190
Lmao based

>>724981174
Speaking of tech, some dude discovered you can extend the clash parry window by pressing light, heavy, block, blood in quick succession when anticipating a hit and even though their respective animations don't play out the frame windows still occur.

>>724982337
>by pressing light, heavy
Wouldn't you fly up into the air? How right are the inputs?

>>724978361
What fucking timezone is he in, he always says his review will come out tuesday and then it actually comes out 11AM the next day or some shit

>>724982190
>By e-celebs
Mighty kek

>>724982418
Depends on weapon. This works with yakumo but not with ryu

>>724982426
It's up but airs in an hour. Judging by the title he's going to seethe about it

Plays great, but sweet baby Jesus it runs and looks like ass. The animations, performance drops and graphics feel very similar to Bayo 3 on the switch.

>>724982617
did you play it on your integrated gpu or what? i have seen 0 complaints about the performance

You lack "density", NG4. That's why you lost.

>>724979894
It's just ignorance stemming from personal preference invalidating any actual criticism or analysis. Attacks having forward momentum towards the target is not instantly bad or instantly good but comes with its own strengths and caveats that should reflect the game's design. There can be plenty of interesting decisions and interactions stemming from treating your attacks as movement options as that's one thing it can facilitate.
>>724981347
It's simple. They would bitch about it either way.

dual swords is the best weapon

>>724982617
>Jesus it runs and looks like ass.
This isn't a Wilds thread.

The waiting room is up
LET'S MORKING GO
>Core Compromise
>Revision Required
It already sounds kino

>>724979894
Can someone explain this move to me? When I jump in the air and hit Bloodraven+Y, he does a helm breaker with a long windup, and no opportunity for a followup attack.

>>724982847
hold the air Y one then press Y again

>>724982617
Wait until you reach the final boss, DLSS will go crazy with the particles.

>>724982190
This is true. The trials version of the bosses were kino, made the base game seem boring

>>724981051
May but be unintended. No Berserk gauge doesn't prove anything since there are systems in the game to get Bloodbaths without being in Berserk.

Curious if this gets patched out or not, and whether it works with the Talisman that restores health in Bloodbath kills.

*hits pipe* Is there anything more cucked that people enjoying your franchise?

>>724983189
I thought the final combat trial was a bit too messy with all the extra dudes.

>>724982887
Well. That's a badly done instruction. Thank you.

>>724978751
How do you activate the almonds?

>>724983471
This but for the cestus trial too

>>724983556
Press l3 and r3 together

>>724982190
Nah, keep that to trials. I never liked adds in boss fights in the older games. I like that the boss fights in this game are mostly about mastering the boss rather than managing chaos.

SECOND WAVE OF COMBAT TRIAL FIVE IS FUCKING BULLSHIT
I HATE FLYING ENEMIES SO GODDAMN MUCH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>724983556
>6:30PM emu meatballs
you what

>>724983707
Have to get back at them for that war

>>724983471
I actually really enjoyed it for what it was. It felt appropriately batshit for the final trial of the game. Though I don't think I'd want every boss in the game to be like it.

>>724978751
holy shit it's been years since I've seen activated almonds

>>724983471
It certainly was a bit annoying not always being able to target the boss but it really adds to a fight where otherwise you're just reacting to chances to parry and counter a power attack. It's like the difference between some bosses on Mentor and up in vanilla 2 and their appearance in Sigma and Black.

>>724983798
Strings travel further regardless of enemies being there.

>>724983559
I didn't mind that one as much. The main annoying thing with the final one is the boss is small so he blends in with the other guys too much and he dashes all over the place so the camera/lock on kind of fucks up a bit. Cestus being fuck-huge means that wasn't really a problem.

>>724984051
Just paint him yellow. I couldn't see shit in this game where all the enemy types look alike and blend into the environment so I just went into the menu and started color coding everything. It's so lazy that they play tested this shit and their fix was these "accessibility" options that I never felt like I needed in the better designed games.

>>724983665
Doesn't need to be insane like 2, just a couple at key moments. Courtesan had like 4 lanterns, that's no Rasetsu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQjKMKzbnbk
Mork is here to deliver the final verdict.

Finished the game today. The story is trash, with no coherence whatsoever; the gameplay is top-notch; the level design should've been an adventure game like NG, but maybe having a shoestring budget, it wasn't feasible.

Overall, a decent game

>>724984770
He streamed 2 blacked gameplay. Why not 4 bros?

>>724983798
>literally a single X of difference when comparing the character designed to be more mobile using his second most mobile weapon, all while disregarding any other factors
>yet schizos freak out to cling onto their perceived street cred
I hate posers.

>>724983798
Why would you not compare ryu to ryu???

>>724984770
oh no no no...

>>724985035
I keep hearing this but the story was extremely straightforward. I don't get peoples' issue with it. Literally the only part that's a bit dumb is Yakumo trusting Seori. Everything else is really simple and logical.

The Ravens do dirty work and were going to assassinate Seori. She tells Yakumo he can purify the Dark Dragon instead of killing it to end it for good. Yakumo is desperate to redeem his bloodline so he takes her up on it. They unseal the Dark Dragon by defeating wardens and collecting sacred weapons. After they collect all of the weapons, Seori needs to sacrifice her life because she houses the Dark Dragon's soul; Yakumo hesitates but a Fiend posing as a member of the Raven Clan kills her anyway to complete the ritual. We have a brief interlude showing how Ryu helped Seori seal the Dark Dragon most recently, and entrusting the Dark Dragon Jewel to him to give to Yakumo. Yakumo and Ryu duel to prove Yakumo is worthy of the Jewel. Yakumo uses the reforged Dark Dragon Blade to kill and purify the Dark Dragon. Roll credits.

There's nothing incoherent about the plot whatsoever. It's fine if it's not engaging for you, but it's very easy to follow and everything has a logical throughline.

>QTE Level Design, How Does Platinum Get Away With It?
Do people even know what QTE means or do they think it means "button prompt"?

>>724986263
>I don't get peoples' issue with it.
They think all plots need to be like Death Stranding 2's, Metaphor's or E33's. They don't understand that this is an action game.

>>724985035
>the level design should've been an adventure game like NG
Why?

>>724986596
double digit iq

>under the cum
They foul.

>>724986263
I like the story

I am calling it kino.

Mork time bros. We will finally have our opinion

>>724984387
I never had trouble with it any other time though, and making him coloured doesn't really fix the dashing around the map behind 10 other guys

>>724986935
I feel like the Bloodbath Kill concept existed solely to justify this shot, and it was completely worth it.

>>724986935
>Head instantly starts sliding instead of looking like it didn't do anything for a few seconds before it slides apart
Fucking BLEW IT

>>724934361 (OP)
>>724937109
>Not seeing the fact that Misaki was never real but a fabrication of Achilles, that him killing Seori was in fact an act of betrayal while Yakumo hesitated due to the latter actually starting to care for Seori
The story is good but you dolts don't even try to think.

Morkbros, I can't watch the video right know. What's my opinion so far?

he's right about the blocking i'll give him that, it was a stupid change

>>724986263
Even Yakumo himself says he doesn't fully trust Seori and that he'll just kill her if anything seems off. It's also not that farfetched that he would think she might be telling the truth considering she's literally the priestess of the Dark Dragon and as she herself says, it's been revived countless times before. He has absolutely no reason not to at least go along with it for a little while and the more anyone would think about that the more it would make sense what she's saying.

>>724988042
Meters suck, new block system sucks, no grabs suck, suck-to-target sucks.

He's decimating the retards that say ng4's suck to target is the same as the rest of the series' btw

>>724954780
Late response but Tengus fly pretty low, just XY and get them
Alternatively bait for attacks and parry/dodge them
>>724982617
Kek post specs

>>724988042
I will defend NG4 forever but so far he has good points. Even if it actually doesn't matter when you're playing the game. The game is faster so they made changes.

>>724988190
What's the problem with the meters and block system?

>>724943978
Yes. Holy shit have you seen how bad boss fights usually are in traditional action games and especially ninja gaiden? At least my the fucking dodge button functioned in this game and I could tell what was clearly and opening and what wasn’t.

>>724988531
it makes it possible to run away.

>>724988190
>Meters suck
Meter management in Action games is fun, he's just an old boomer who can't adapt

>>724989176
There is no management though. It manages itself

>>724989161
This is silly. The only reason you can run away in ng4 is because the arenas are massive.

This white boy doesn't know what a quick time event is.

>>724989308
he's jewish

>he complaining about platforming
I'm surprised NG04 isn't this niggas least favorite game. Also, how is the platform section a QTE when NG3RE's combat arenas are literally separated by QTE sections?

>>724989243
He often has silly arguments like this that does hold water but they're still disingenuous to me. Yeah you can skip encounters.. but should you? He claims that scoring is amaaazing and important in every games yet also claims that being able to run away from encounters is bad design, even thought you don't want to do that because of the scoring system.
He seems to think the older games were designed better on purpose when it was actually mostly technical workarounds and arcade wanting to move player around by putting a timer on them.

>>724989557
Kunai Climb is less obnoxious and you can't escape from most encounters by kunai climbing away, the enemies will just shoot you down

>>724989557
3RE feels fucking awful to play and is mashy as fuck too. It's just not a good game.

why does seori bind herself in a sexual shibari way

>>724989695
He's a dishonest hipster cherrypicker who points out stuff when it suits him. Wanted Dead is a straight up bad game but he felt the need to shill it because....IGN didn't like it

The retarded damage everything does does make this the least fun master ninja mode

Oniwaka on NG+ is kicking my ass, holy shit, kek

>>724943142
Only the 1st game ever had a proper Ninja plot
>Your good friend and uncle Muray betraying you
>He was a secret commander of the Vigoor Empire
Him being a twist villain like that was really cool, and his ambition to replace the Hayabusa clan felt like an actual ninja story. You simply can't have that any more because it takes putting in enough effort to actually make characters who's betrayal is actually engaging. As for the Seori thing, perhaps Yakoomer was simping or just briefly related to Seori enough to not be able to go through with it

Lol he mentioned Wanted Dead I called it

>>724989754
I don't know how anyone can go from NG2, any version of NG2, into NG3 and come out saying that game is good. There isn't a single thing it does better. Even Ayane, the most fun to play secondary character in the Sigma games, is way less fun in NG3.

It's up there with games like GoW Ascension in completely unnecessary, tired sequels. Fuck's sake, at least Yaiba made me laugh. The only thing I enjoyed about NG3 were the titlescreen theme and Ayane getting a massage.

>>724990073
>Even Ayane, the most fun to play secondary character in the Sigma games, is way less fun in NG3.
now that's just nuts

>>724990023
Will this board finally admit Wanted Dead is the superior action game?

>>724990000
>Your good friend and uncle Muray betraying you
>He was a secret commander of the Vigoor Empire

>And what of the dark dragon blade? Do you have it here? No? Its at the village?
>[...]
>OH your village just got attacked and the dark dragon blade stolen? Wooow that sucks bro
Yeah okay Murai. Nice hat.
Checked

>>724972380
>>724963123
Mayo is perpetually retarded and he cannot into games that have internal motivators for getting good

>>724990245
If it requires internal motivation then that’s automatically a massive flaw of the game.

>>724990073
It's ok to have wrong opinions, anon. But you don't have to advertise them to the whole world.

>>724990198
Protag of Wanted Dead is woke so no

>>724990245
Mayo hates NG4 for having checkpoints that retore HP. Wait until he hears of health regen in NG2 and save point health restores.

>>724989176
I think they can be fun, but they do feel odd in Ninja Gaiden, which is usually a more "pure" type of action. No style points, no special forms, etc, it's just brief combos, counters and UTs/OTs.

>>724989217
Then what's the issue?

>>724990219
Damn I didn't get to notice I got Quads. But yeah, the man throws up many fishy lines and acts somewhat villainous but he's a Ninja so it's cool, Ryu killed like 40 dudes in a sparring exercise and went
>Yeah, that's how it is in this life. They were unprepared
like a gigachad psycho. Muray also helped you get on the blimp. It's rather mature for the game to give undertones that Muray is using you at the start of the game but also not to game it extremely obvious. Unfortunately that type of nuance is a bit of a lost art

>>724990375
I hate the you can't make genuine criticisms of something without being in the same boat as poser retards like this

>>724990375
he hates NG2 in general because it mindbroke him while he was also getting exposed for lying about beating NGB on "master" (actually hard)

>>724990310
While that's true if you can't give a shit about the game's rank system then that's on you, not the game's fault.

>>724990430
>Unfortunately that type of nuance is a bit of a lost art
Yep. Every time I see someone complain about Ryu being a blank slate because he's not firing off hollywood quips every cutscene I die a little inside.
>My strength comes from training, not some curse in my blood.
That line alone says more about Ryu as a person than most games will say about their protagonist in a whole playthrough.

>>724990497
>acting like an authority over games he didn't play
Let's not pretend Mork isn't guilty of that shit too.

>>724990310
>game lets you beat it via button mashing on normal and the easiest difficulty mode
>somehow this is bad because Mayo can't stop himself from using items
>game gives you ballbuster difficulty where you actually have to learn the mechanics and you can't use healing as a crutch
>somehow this is bad too, because Mayo can't be bothered to learn to play
He's a retard, sorry anon. That he glazes Doom because the ammo system encourages you to use multiple weapons but says Ultrakill is worse because the game's infinite ammo and style system don't go out of their way to punish him for playing a mayo% run is a head scratcher. He's an NPC

>>724990375
Meanwhile, other people are complaining that Blood Essence doesn't restore enough health. People just wanted Ninja Gaiden II-2, which is dumb.

The systems are a bit different. That's okay. They were different between NG and NG2, and between NG2 and NG3.

>>724990497
>someone on jewtube being transphobic
That guy must be very based, no wonder the tranny sonic fag is mad.

Because it was inevitably gonna be made, here you go

>>724990375
What is the issue with that? You already got penalized for dying, why wouldn't you have full health for the next attempt? I think the score system is actually a clever solution to that problem. In God of War 2018 you also revived at full health which made stomping for crystals between fights kind of pointless and gave you less of a reason to want to beat an encounter with low life, but in NG once you die you lose score. Healing does too but MUCH less than dying, so you have an incentive to stay alive at all costs before your death. Once you do die, you're losing a ton of score, so in exchange you get your health full. It's an elegant solution.
You can counter with "but what if I don't care about score?" then you're also the target audience for health regen on checkpoint load. If you don't care about playing flawlessly then why should you be forced to in order to make progress?

Actionbros, you brought this upon yourselves. When an e-celeb opens its mouth or a sonicfag tries to debate, ALWAYS ASK FOR THEIR S-RANKS OR MASTER NINJA CLEARS OTHERWISE YOUR COMMUNITY WILL BE FILLED BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T PLAY THESE GAMES.

>>724990375
It only restores once and if you die yo have to start over. In NG4 a fight is a checkpoint and you restart at full hp regardless of your state when you first got there

>>724990651
Wise DMCbro
death to all e-celeb faggotry

>>724990647
>Start fight with low HP
>Die
>Restart with full HP for free
That's not what being "punished for dying" looks like, lil bro

>>724990538
Quite right. Ryu is plenty emotive in 1 and 2 without needing to be a quipper or some emotional sad boy like in 3. I enjoy 3 for it's gameplay mechanics but the pants on head retarded sad Ryu and that he has to feel bad because he killed like 100 dudes that were trying to kill him. I can appreciate that 4 is a step in the right direction though

>>724990654
It's not a checkpoint on every fights though. Someone else was mentioning that. You can get respawed way back.
But it's clear that Platinum didn't really think about this. I don't think it ruins the game but it is a flaw.

>>724990605
>People just wanted Ninja Gaiden II-2, which is dumb
That's factitious, its definitely true that the people in question (I being one of them) wanted NG4 to not be NG3-2, but that means it could be NG1-2 or NG2-2, either would have been great.

>>724990605
I actually like Ravencel's game, the new combat system by Platinum is a good blend of the old formula and the cool superbar shit that platinum likes to do. I do wish that there were more weapons and that Yakumo had ninpo but I can understand that'd just make him Ryu 2.0

>>724990581
I agree with his general view that you shouldn't have to make your own fun, but difficulty settings are not that. Did he also hate The Dark Ages for having the sliders?
If Normal is too easy for you then play on Hard. If you hate difficulty settings in general that's fair enough too, play a game without them.

>>724990770
It's not a "checkpoint" the you can reload your save at to not get penalized in the rankings but it doesn't block your progress of the game to retry a fight.

>>724990771
>but that means it could be NG1-2
Mork and his cabal would hate NG1-2. They can't stand platforming. You think they'll put up with platforming plus swimming and heavy amounts of exploration? I wonder how many fake NG fans think NGB is a series of battle arenas like NG3RE or DMC5 love DMC5 though but Capcom could never get exploration right like Itagaki did

A lot of my issues with the game can come down to automation taking the fun out of it

>>724990654
And the alternative is "respawn at checkpoint and have to use a health potion on each retry." It's not a significant difference really.

>>724990605
I wanted NGB with NG2 combat

>>724990732
You lose score though, that's a pretty reasonable punishment
>>724990771
Since what we got isn't 3-2 to begin with we're already starting off at a nicer spot. I myself would have preferred NG1-2 but beggars can't be choosers and the game is much more well-made than I would have thought possible

>>724990940
Where is the windmill slash.
WHERE IS IT ANON SHOW ME THE BUTTONS I NEED TO PRESS

>>724986263
>You don’t understand. We had to let him butcher half the DDO army to see if he was worthy!
>No one questions why the DDO had Seori locked up in the first place of both their goal and Ryu’s goal and the fucking Raven’s goal was to resurrect and kill the dark dragon.
>Yakumo doesn’t even attempt to explain what he’s doing to the DDO and Ryu.
The whole fucking set up is beyond stupid. Every is fighting each other when they all have the same fucking goal.

>>724990732
losing score without any chance of recovering is being punished for dying
how is this different from respawning outside of the fight and having to talk to the girl to get a full heal before trying again?

>>724990915
mork raped this game

>>724990859
Character action games are fundamentally about you putting in the work to make the game fun though, I understand if it's not his cup of tea or someone else's. But to judge a game because it asks the player to put in work to enjoy it is to ask game devs to begin to appeal to the lowest common denominator even further. Like a puzzle game that tells you the puzzle answer and then asks you how you got there instead of giving you a sandbox, or nuGoW

>>724990654
>In NG4 a fight is a checkpoint
Not true, there are designed gauntlets that only save after a specific amount of encounters. Chapter 6 has a bunch of these.
It's one of the chapters people complain about the most because of "bad checkpointing", btw.

>>724990771
But why, when NG2 was not NG1-2? This series isn't about stagnation like that.

I don't mind complaints around the major overhauls like Bloodraven, Berserk, etc -- I'll even give the lock on system as being different enough to warrant genuine complaint -- but tiny things like the health system and how essence works are just nitpicking.

>>724990737
>and that he has to feel bad because he killed like 100 dudes that were trying to kill him
Only played RE but this doesn't really happen at all. Maybe the english dub has different delivery, I don't know. He's more like "damn that sucks but I'm gonna keep fighting lol"

>>724990464
I don't remember that happening to Mork lol

>>724990940
It's not a reasonable punishment it's not even a slap on the wrist, it's a wag of the finger. I'll clear the game on D rank and then rush the level as Ryu from chapter select for my real rank. Eat shit. In NGB and NG2 if you saved and didn't have any heals you had to survive those encounters on blue essence and simply not getting hit or you couldn't continue period, master ninja or ninja dog on the mission complete screen.

>>724990859
The genre heavily relies on difficulty settings in the first place for replayability. Complaining about them is dumb.

>>724990625
The guy he's responding to said "NG3RE is trash. I beat it on MNM." Sonicfag's supposedly an NG3RE fan. But because these people never link to a steam profile or PSN or Xbox account, I have no way of knowing their skills. Also, /ourjeet/ makes a cameo.

>the previous ng games' soft target system only effected the initial start up turn of a move where as ng4's suck to target effects the move throughout its duration
He's right desu

>NG3RE gets shat on for a literal fucking decade
>NG4 comes out and is the new scapegoat to shit on
>"Ehmm, actually, I ALWAYS liked NG3RE"

The NG fanbase is truly filled with some of the most despicable faggot posers in gaming.
You deserve to lose to DMC because you're more interested in kvetching than playing video games

>>724991193
He's talking about Mayo who is the first e-celeb to get spitroasted by DMCfags and NGfags. You know someone's pure shit if you can get NG and DMC fans to break bread.

>>724991252
only retards are defending 3

>>724990996
Well, Yakumo was semi-acting independently and it wouldn't surprise me if the DDO was apprehensive over it because he was about to revive one of those angry demon gods at full power, and in the NG world literally every time that's happened has left more than a few cities with a lot of casualties and some craters

>>724991161
Well yes. There's a few things there. The combat is starting from NG1, giving you more options, and then jacking up the enemy density to compensate. The only exception to that really is the removal of the kick strings, and I do very much dislike that such a thing was done. That should not have been done.
The other is the reduction of platforming in favor of just constant fighting, which was also a mistake.

So yes, in some ways NG2 was not NG1-2. And the ways it was not NG1-2 are all things wrong with the game. I mean it goes without saying that you don't remove something good in a sequel, and you definitely don't change something good unless you are absolutely dead certain whatever you do in its place is better.

>>724991252
But there were tons of 3RE fags for years, stop pretending they didn't exist just because NG2 diehards would shout them down

>>724990464
>>724991317
qrd?

>thread goes to complete shit because of some retardo advertising his video and channel
I despise these niggers so fucking much

Well, I guess that's it.

We hate NG4 now.

We will now discuss the same garbage arguments some dude on Youtube made for the rest of time.

No one can like anything.

It was fun so far I guess.

>>724986263
My problem with this story is that the interactions between characters are just bland and boring. I'm find with Yakumo being a cool, edgy protag with badass moments, but let other character poke fun of him sometime.
I can imagine a conversation where Umi digs at Yakumo for being way too edgy and then have him respond by calling her a smelly shut-in or something like that.
Interactions like this help round out the characters and give them texture. They already have the optional "talk to the team" button at the shop, but it was very under-utilized.
As of now, the cast boiled down to:
>Cool, edgy hero
>Love interest
>Tech support
>Teacher
>That other guy
These are not characters, they are just cardboard cutouts.

>>724991172
BlondeGuy McDadman tells it to your face that
>this is a curse about how you feel bad for murdering so many dudes
>this is a culmination of your regrets Ryu
Ryu is a chad so he tanks that shit. Either way, trying to make a statement about murder being bad in a hyperviolent action game where enemies are not only terrorists but actively trying to kill you is somewhat silly. It's a sizeable plot hook at the start of the game but basically gets dropped by the 3rd chapter at that

>>724991214
>if you saved and didn't have any heals
you put yourself in this situation, it's not like the game enforced it on you
what you should have done is continued without saving until you could heal, or try again with healing and try to do better.
basically act as Chapter 6 forces you to act in NG4 by spacing out the checkpoints a lot more than usual for the game.
I understand preferring manual saving, that's 100% fair. I do too, honestly. But that's not punishment for dying, you got punished for making a bad save. You didn't lose anything you had on your last save after dying.

>>724991252
Jokes on you. I hated NG3RE and went back to NGS because I just unlocked MNM.
>but NGB
I am playing that too. Will play NGB after I get the plat for NGS, and then I will get the MNM clear for vanilla 2. Then I will play NGB. Once I am done, I will play NG4 plus the DLC. I only beat the first chapter of NG4 and i like what ive played so far. I hate 3RE. It feels like dogshit.

>>724991376
I was so happy the shitty kicks and backtracking were removed. NG2 took all the things I loved about 1 and dialed it up. But agree to disagree. What I think NGB does better is the reshuffling of encounters on higher difficulties, most notably the doppelganger

I don't need to watch a video telling me why a game I enjoy is bad, someone give a recap

>>724991508
I agree, from what I saw of vanilla 3 they go way overboard with that, but in RE they removed the worst parts with enemies begging for their lives while you walk slowly and shit, so as it is in RE I think it works.

>>724991238
>these people never link to a steam profile or PSN or Xbox account
For good reason. We found that m*rk never cleared MNM and bladder couldn't get past hard in razor. These tourists credibility will fall apart over night if their shit was made public.

>>724991214
B and 2 also gave you a lot of healing though and farming essence was braindead easy for people that knew how to play. I understand what you mean but this is what happens in the transition from an action RPG to a pure action game

>>724991515
oh and you could also load your chapter clear save to try the chapter from the start at any time, you were never soft locked

>>724991432
Mayo is an e-celeb review youtuber who's rather notorious for being kind of bad at action games but trying to act as a sort of authority for how the game is. He's also a big glazer of Doom and Doom Eternal

>>724991515
See, the punishment was bigger. If you didn't play clean and squandered your saves you could fuck yourself up. NG4 also showers you with resources. You should have no trouble sustaining through chapter 6 (one chapter in the whole game did it right ooohh you really showed me)

>>724991646
Despite his bravado, Itagaki was very mericful in his game design philosophy. I can tell the man cares about fun over all.

>>724991495
>I'm find with Yakumo being a cool, edgy protag with badass moments, but let other character poke fun of him sometime.
That happens all the time. Especially by Seori.
>then have him respond by calling her a smelly shut-in or something like that.
This doesn't happen all the time, but he does complain about Seori specifically too.

>>724991583
Yeah RE is a big improvement. I'm not a fan of the entire thing, but at least it's tolerable. In base 3 though it was pretty ridiculous, the dude's begging for their lives as if they didn't roll up in a tank with RPGs strapped on trying to blow you up

I finished it on hard with relative easy only to get raped in the first chapter on MN (those fucking waves of enemies before the boss fight...). Finished with both characters and then finished chapter 2 with Ryu, its pretty tough, so I decided to do the trials and I feel like the decreasing health and no hit ones force you play for MN. I reached trial 16 and I might leave it there for now, its a 2 bosses vs you fight I dont feel like doing now, and it seems the last trials only give you money. Best surprise was the black spider clan, top bad it was only in one (at least from what Ive seen). I might do the boss rush just to unlock the DDS and wait for DLC. I think this is my GOTY

>>724990996
DDO and Ryu aren't the same. They work together, but Ryu isn't part of the organization.

The DDO wanted to prevent the resurrection altogether. They were never going to go along with resurrecting it. They kept Seori imprisoned because she was a priestess; it's not entirely clear, but my guess is that it was safer to keep the Dark Dragon's soul contained within her than to kill her.

Ryu only comes around when Seori gives him the jewel and says she's chosen to die ("I've made my choice",) which happens sometime during the story, after their encounter on the helipad. He was aware of the prophecy, but wasn't sure Yakumo could fulfill it. After the Dark Dragon is revived, his choices are: kill it again, knowing it will come back, or follow through on Seori's wishes and let Yakumo try to purify it.

So you have:

>Yakumo and the Raven Clan, trying to revive and purify the Dark Dragon
>The DDO trying to prevent the resurrection altogether
>Ryu who's initially working with the DDO to stop the resurrection but eventually trusts Seori and Yakumo to follow through on purifying the Dark Dragon
>Fiends/Daemons who want the Dark Dragon revived but not killed, but even if it it IS killed, it probably won't have another chance to be notified for centuries

This genuinely isn't complicated.

>>724991681
For a while, he did try to LARP as an NGfag who hated DMC because of the Stylish system or something. Could vaguely remember it, but he made no sense.

>>724991432
He streamed fiend busa ng2 for review and he dropped a bombshell how he beat the hardest mode vanilla. He got questioned more and he revealed only played a few minutes at a friend's house on Warrior. The backpedal was historic. Almost refused to make review to avoid further abuse.

>>724991556
>I was so happy the shitty kicks and backtracking were removed
The side kick string was pretty niche, but the wall splat kick was already good in NG1 and would have been a god send considering how good wallsplats are in NG2. They should have just improved the side kick string to make it actually do something. Instead in NG2 they replaced both with yet another set of extraordinarily niche sword strings.

>>724991701
I'm using Chapter 6 as an example because I'm playing through it on MN right now, so it's extra fresh in my memory.
But again, that's not punishment for dying, it's punishment for making a bad save. Don't save if you can't heal. In 2 it's not even possible unless you're intentionally backtracking while having zero health to use a save point that can't heal you again. You're literally going out of your way to put yourself in this situation.
But sure, I'll agree with manual saves > checkpoints, 100%.

>>724991765
KEK

>>724991714
The fact that he would describe his own game as "it's very easy to play, it's just that enemies want to kill you" says it all. He was not interested in pretending his game was more than it was, he was very proud of the exact thing he made.

I've heard people say the dodge offset is really strong but I don't see it

>>724991495
This is a fair complaint. The characters are pretty shallow. I just don't get people acting like the story didn't make sense.

>>724991868
Yeah he was, all his NG gameplay was pretty mediocre too so it was hilariously out of touch

>>724991770
Unfortunately there are apparently accessories locked behind the trials, relating to Bloodraven/Gleam gauge either length or recovery, can't remember which.

>>724991785
Or you have the alternate sensible story that goes:
>Yakumo: Hey Ryu/DDO, I’m trying to resurrect and purify the dragon to kill it for good.
>Ryu: Seori, do you think this is a good idea?
>Seori: Yes.
>DDO: Uh, are we sure we want to so this guys.?
>Seori/Ryu: Yes.
Making characters act like retards is bad writing.

>>724986263
The litmus test I use for stories is to tell the story backwards and instead of saying "and then" you say "because" and test how reasonable it seems. How well justified is the 'because'? Is the consequence intuitive or does it sound far fetched?

>>724992310
I think I already unlocked them all

Why wasn’t Ayane a boss fight?

>>724992346
>I take my life lessons from south park
sad

>>724992261
Is that why Mork didn't stream this time? His 2B stream had him nervous.

>>724992127
I guess it's probably a case of what they mean by very strong and what you'd consider very strong being different. It's definitely not an essential part of your kit like in Bayonetta, but I find it a lot more useful to use with intent here than in any other game that had the passive version of dodge offset. Because making it its own input opens up uses that the devs probably never even thought of, which won't happen if it's a passive trait of dodging.
I don't think they wanted you to offset the animation fo getting parried into more offense on reaction, but you can and I'd say that's pretty strong.

>>724992439
DLC

>>724992439
No dev time. Xbox didn't give enough money. Pls understand

>>724992457
I've never watched south park

>>724982829
I am not going to watch the video rn but that sounds like a measure of praise

>>724992346
yakumo kills the dark dragon because he had the dark dragon blade because ryu passed on the key from the dark dragon priestess once he deemed yakumo worthy of it because yakumo was the only person who could kill the dark dragon since he's its descendant but was ultimately an unproven hero

>>724992520
and that's okay

>>724992636
>once he deemed
BLEW IT

>>724991495
>for being way too edgy and then have him respond by calling her a smelly shut-in or something like that.
Yes constant unfunny back and forth snarking like every other piece of modern media is full of would've made the story better. Fuck off Whedon.
>they are just cardboard cutouts.
and why do they need to be more than that. Seriously what exactly did you want from this shit, for it to be like vanilla NG3 with them trying and failing to make Ryu "deep?"

>>724990073
I get why thinking NG2 is better is the common opinion and I agree in some ways, but if you say Ayane plays better in Sigma 2/Black than Razor's Edge then you are straight up smokin penises

>>724992346
Yes yes, it's the "therefore" vs "and then" of storytelling, and yes it works just fine here.

Yakumo goes to assassinate Seori, who tells him that he has a chance to kill the Dark Dragon for good. Therefore, Yakumo enters a tenuous partnership with her, therefore he comes into conflict with the DDO and Ryu, but Seori tells Ryu the stakes, therefore he allows them to escape. Therefore, Yakumo is able to proceed to unseal the Dark Dragon by eliminating its wardens and taking the sacred weapons, etc. etc. It works just fine.

>>724992338
Seori tells Ryu that the world is at stake when they first meet in the Helipad. It's why they're able to escape. The DDO isn't on board, but Ryu pauses enough to let them proceed, and again the game shows that he and Seori have another encounter where she asks Ryu to test Yakumo and trust him if he passes. Like, this is all laid out for you.

The DDO doesn't answer to Ryu, and he doesn't answer to them.

>>724992406
I don't remember which ones had accessories so you may well be right. i haven't started on the trials yet, might do this weekend. Was doing a bit of collectibles cleanup first.

>>724992561
If he thought people wanted him to shit on it, he would, he's trying to cultivate an audience at this point rather than give his honest take

>>724992859
NTA but teamwide communication could have been more engaging without making it full on back and forth quipping. Nothing terribly crazy but Ryu has a few back and forths in 1 and 2 where it's not outright quipping. I suppose characters felt like a vehicle here for gameplay rather than real characters. Like Ayane is just there for instance whereas Rachel in 1 had her own goals

>>724992897
But what about this bit
>Yakumo hesitates but a Fiend posing as a member of the Raven Clan kills her anyway to complete the ritual

>>724993032
Your friend from the Raven clan was a secret fiend who wanted to wholesale revive the Dark Dragon and probably gain more power that way the same way the previous fiends tried. He notices Yakoomer isn't willing to go through with it all the way so he does the job for you so that he can get all the benefits. It's just fiends being fiends anon. Largely I think unnecessary but it moved the plot forward

>>724993151
>Largely I think unnecessary but it moved the plot forward
That was my gut feel based on reading anon's notes, since I didn't enjoy the game enough to get very far in the story

>>724992990
Already coping AND seething? Fantastic!

>>724993032
It's the messiest part, but even that's established via the flashbacks.

Years ago, Achilles plans to resurrect the Dark Dragon to use its power for his own, therefore Ryu defeats him and rescues the priestess that's to be used for the sacrifice, therefore they are able to work together to seal the Dark Dragon, therefore Achilles infiltrates the Raven clan to facilitate the Dragon's next resurrection, therefore he is able to assist them during the resurrection plot and therefore he kills Seori in the moment that Yakumo hesitates.

But yes, in the moment that it happens, it feels like an asspull. I really think Ryu's chapters should have come earlier, personally.

>>724993281
He's not a very big part of the game, and neither is the plot. I like Yakumo enough and the gameplay to finish the game but it's certainly just about serviceable as far as story goes. Same thing with 2's story. Not as good as DMC5 but better than 4's

>>724992561
He didn’t think it was very good but he still had fun with it. Not as negative as fans like Blader who consider it the worst action game of all time, or Farnham who says Yaiba is better

>>724993414
>Same thing with 2's story
I've played through NG2 only twice mostly play survival mode in that and I can't remember why anyone was doing anything at all. Its a shame, NG1's premise was extremely simple but all fit together very neatly. With enough patience and gymnastics you can probably follow the reasoning down the entire chain of dialogue. What seems like a trivial detail like Joe going training you can surmise is the entire reason that the attack occurred at all.

>>724993554
Yeah, they're gonna fix it just like how 2 Black was "fixed" earlier this year, lmao.

>>724993554
What's STT in this context?

>>724993725
>>724991240

>>724993415
But what do I say?

FUCK THIS BITCH I DID IT

>>724993725
Suck To Target, and what’s even more hilarious is that even nu God of War actually tones it down a bit when on the highest difficulties, but NG4’s STT is so egregious it’s genuinely annoying at times and intrusive, whats fun about having less control?

>>724993554
>KH1
>fundies kino
He said "PLAY KH1" like its some niche game lmao. Theres more niggas that played KH1 than niggas that played NG1. And KH1 is an easy game. Lastly, Mork would fucking hate the structure of KH1.

>>724993774
What's the second T?

Anyway, I do agree the lock on is one of the only proper problems with the game. It's not awful, but it definitely feels the most "off" in a kind of intrinsic way compared to other changes. Like, everything else feels very deliberate, and not everyone is going to like those big changes, but this feels like they tried to emulate what the older games did and failed.

I'll say I like the hard target lock being an option for bosses, but when it's off, it almost does what the older games did but not quite.

>>724993867
What an awful, and genuinely trash enemy design and encounter, holy fuck the amount of stupid ass random armor is so fucking boring to deal with. Felt like a turn based game against that guy.

Holy shit Mark GAWD is gonna kill this series lmao. I can't wait for all the butthurt from normies when they find this video

>>724993032
>>724993391
iirc Misaki isn't even part of their clan originally, the clan just picked him up sometime during the events 3 years ago which would be after Ryu defeated him, thinking he was just a victim of all the demons spawning around that time
this info can only be found and read in the archive in the title menu

>>724993918
>kh1 is fundies kino
Kek okay all right this guy's got some taste. Off the top of my head I would've said fundies kino is something like Altered Beast but bluh is on a different level here.

>>724993978
>Mark
Who's that
>butthurt from normies
Normies don't know about NG. In fact, they're like you and believe youtubers without question.

>>724993978
Yeah... Its gonna be SO EPIC!!!

>>724993936
I don't know if I'd call it turn based, I was going in all the time, kek. He does break the rules of the game a bit, but I didn't hate it, I thought it was fun.

>>724994025
what the fuck does he mean by kh1 is fundies kino i just remember using magic or bashing everyone with the keyblade

>>724994065
kh1 has no suck to target

>>724994025
Wrong, its not fundies kino. Proud mode is easy and I'm allowed to say that. KH2's combat is better. I'm the only person who plays these games. My opinion is law.

>>724994065
>he didn't clear Proud
No worries. Neither will Mork.

>>724994065
For what kind of game it is I'd think he's saying it has space/distance management that's more proactive than reactive
This is kinda hitting tho >>724994105 lol

>>724993568
It was quite literally
>Spider Ninjas getting uppity and got betrayed by Fiends again
Whereas in NG1 it had some actual reasons you can put gymnastics into
>Vigoorian Empire has been after the Dark Dragon Blade
>Joe and Ryu off training means village is defenseless
>Muray purposefully calculated Ryu's training exercise to coincide with the attack
So it checks out quite well

>>724994105
Hit an air combo on a grounded enemy in that game and get back to me

>>724993005
>teamwide communication could have been more engaging
More engaging how. There is already enough "teamwide communication" with Misaki nerding out over the Raven gear only for Seori to tell him to chill, Yakumo not caring about breaking the statues, etc. They all already interact with each other and talk enough as is. What more do you exactly want?

>>724994105
>>724994232
>timing the medium range poke hit so that you maximize the amount of parry frames and get a free combo on Leon/Riku/Cloud
Kino, truly. Too bad the game's enemy design is more RPG skewed so you run into bosses that are designed with 0 respect in mind like shadow Sora

>>724994315
That chapter was honestly pretty good, character wise.

>>724994054
Don't see you making a review, you're just a literal who while those youtubers get their dick sucked and payment from people... like (You)

CHAD kingdom hearts
VIRGIN ninja gaiden

>>724994315
He's waiting for the sequels; Doki Doki Seori Story and the yaoi spin off "My Ninja Kohai Cant Be This Edgy"

>>724994387
yep... nothin better than telling a girl at the club that youre a niche youtuber with 2k subs that talks about games literally no one knows about except teenagers and low income adults

>>724993868
We live in a world where GoW Ragnarok is by far the best action game of the 2020s because the genre is in the gutter.

>>724994387
>Don't see you making a review
If I were jobless, I'd mog all these people.

>>724994315
>>724994439
Nothing crazy but I imagine maybe Codex-lite interactions like in MGS and Rising. I know that's more in the realm of comedy and quipping but they're genuinely well written character interactions

Wanted Dead > The 4 best chapters of 2 > 4 > 3RE > Sigma > The rest of 2 > 2 Black > Sigma 2

>>724994364
Well it is an RPG. Can't fault it for being what it's supposed to be.

>>724994387
>>724994549
I just don't want to do video editing and I don't have a good voice for longform youtube content. Otherwise I'd be mogging these youtubers I'd think. Really tickles my pickle the wrong way seeing a review and then hearing some terrible take about how "sequel is missing everything that made the last game good but it's a pretty good game overall lol"

>>724994723
Yeah that is true, just regrettable that there aren't as many bosses that are more action-mechanics centric in KH1. I particularly hate Clayton on replays, pure potion spam/luck in that one

>>724994812
I mostly just remember learning about Sephy in the game, getting a lil hyped to fight him, and it being a really great boss fight. If KH2 is a lot more like that, I should give it another chance.

>>724994903
>If KH2 is a lot more like that
It is...in the postgame. Same for 3.... in the DLC.

>>724994903
KH2FM is one of the best action games in the genre in terms of boss design I think, definitely a lot of Sephy-liked and more extreme too
1FM is pretty great too but MF in that game is somewhat not a fun fight.
I'd tell you 3 is well designed but the floaty combat isn't for everyone

>>724994057
Health bloat and non stop super armor just make him a slog

>>724994548
What a fucking tragedy

>>724994734
>I just don't want to do video editing and I don't have a good voice for longform youtube content.
KEK

>>724995018
Nah 2 has good bosses in the campaign, especially 2FM. Even a lot of the heartless bosses have good rhythm to them. Sure there's only maybe 2-3 Sephiroth tier fights before the post-game on the level of the man himself but they're there

You guys are retards. If Ninja Gaiden isn't being made by Itagaki, why the fuck would you expect it to be like Itagaki's game?
That's like....
>BRO DMC6 SUCKS!! It's not like like itsuno wahooo cuhrayzee games

You people call yourselves enjoyers of this genre and yet you don't even know that Japanese Devs find is DISRESPECTFUL when you tell them to takeover an IP and make it like the last guy did.

>>724995197
>Even a lot of the heartless bosses have good rhythm to them
True, this nigga is based. The Genghis Khan from Mulan World was fun too.

>>724995429
You're talking to people who unironically listen to what Mork has to say.

>>724995429
Don't put words into my mouth, faggot.

>>724995492
A lot of us are mocking him.
>Mork
>m*rk
Only one guy called him by his actual name.

>>724995465
Damn that fight is so cool with the reaction commands. My favorite is the is the reaper with all the cool spell interactions
>Zap the nig and get all the coins
>Gravity them to you
>back to damage
Pirates was surprisingly quite Soul for being an adaptation of a live action movie

>you can't discuss game mechanics beyond if they feels good or bad
>50 minutes of discussing mechanics beyond feels

>>724995429
What the hell are you even talking about you rambling speedreading schizo. Itagaki hasn't been involved with tecmo since 2008.

>>724995429
>Japanese Devs find is DISRESPECTFUL when you tell them to takeover an IP and make it like the last guy did.
Source? That only matters as far as you have big name directors with a vision. Does anyone even know the NG4 director? I haven't heard him mentioned in a discussion once.
Japan is just as bad as the West. Old guard devs are going out of the businesses, one way or another, newcomers have no idea what they are doing, many of them are not even gaming otaku anymore, just regular people that learned how to code and draw that were not accepted in the industry they truly wanted to be part of.

>>724994660
>Codex-lite interactions like in MGS and Rising
You already have optional convos in the shop and with Tyran. If that isn't enough for you then to be frank you should just fuck off and play mgs or whatever instead. Not every game needs that much extra dialogue and "bants", NG definitely doesn't.

Here are the two co-directors and their experience.

I played all the games recently in preparation for 4 and I swear I don't know what or who the hell these threads are talking about for 90% of the posts in them

>>724995880
The other one

>316 hours on KH1.5+2.5
>154 hours on DMC5SE
>180 hours on DMC4SE
>112 hours on DMCHD Collection
>70 hours on NGS, but I just unlocked MNM and still need to do Trials
>33 hours on Vanquish
I like you guys. How many hours do you have on action games, bros?

>>724995139
It helped when I accidentally noticed that his armor outside of the power attacks works just like enemies guarding attacks. It throws you off because it's so random, but you can just wind path and attack his back and you'll get around it. When I thought I needed to Bloodraven everything and he was still blocking half of these my meter just couldn't keep up.

>>724996002
Like 100 hours of NG2 and 300 hours of NGB. I've never finished NGB its all just grinding survival mode.

>>724996002
Starting from somewhere around 2005 until now, on different systems and whatnot, impossible to count.

>>724996002
This is my first one

>>724995762
>newcomers have no idea what they are doing,
Armored Core 6 is nothing like the old games, most successful game in the series.

Guilty Gear Strive is nothing like the old games, most successful game in the series.

Nowcomers know exactly what they're doing - not catering to your old ass - and it's working, making some companies millions like Arc System Works. Those dudes literally went from rags to riches lmao

>>724996002
Last time I checked I had about 450+ or so hours in NG2 and like 120 or so in 3RE. I don't recall the rest.

>>724996149
>successful means good
Yeah, casualized for the casual market by casual devs. Exactly what I am talking about.

>>724995762
That's just because he's a younger guy and nothing else he did compares to his work here in prestige. He was a Nep and Senran Kagura dev.

>>724996002
No idea, spread across too many platforms. Only one I know for sure is DMC5 because I only played it on Steam, so 90 hours.

>>724996149
>I am a normalfag, look at me
>>724996238
What prestige?

>>724996072
NGB has survival? I know NGS and NG2 do.

>>724996140
Hope you're having fun and decide to discover more games in the genre.

>>724996186
>450+ or so hours in NG2
Based

>>724995949
>Oneechanbara and SGZH
Interesting how he used to be with D3 and Tamsoft. Went from working on simple series budget games to directing Platinum titles.

>>724996202
Who isn't saying AC6 or Strive isn't good though? Show us. Dragonball and Strive literally turned a niche company into the most feared fighting game developers. FROM was also a literal who company until they made games for the main audiences.

I dare you to walk into their office and tell them to make 2000s games lmao

>>724996002
not that much, sorry

>>724996149
But NG4 didn't even sell.

>>724996149
>Nowcomers
But Soive wasn't produced by newcomers. It was deliberately changed, and Arc already struck gold with dragon ball.

>>724995839
Dude, chill. I'm not suggesting 30min long cutscene, constant quipping, or remove anything from the main gameplay loop. I really like this game and I want to like these characters. I just want more of them to latch on to.

Thank god i didnt buy this dogshit.

>>724995949
He needs more fightan game experience really.

>>724995880
>DOA5
That man fucks.

>>724996002
>400 hours between the 3 bayonettas on PC
>200 DMC5SE
>100 DMC4
>250DMC3
>40 between 2 and 3
>100 hours mgrr
>150 hours on the Master Ninja Collection
>20 hours of vanquish
I don't know how much on KH2 as I mostly played on console

>>724996486
>main audiences
Demon's souls was considered to be niche as shit. It wasn't even their main project at that time.

>>724996490
>30 hours of Raido
based

>>724996510
Sure, some don't sell. But more games are successful than failures so the risk is worth it. KT can always fall back on their souls slop like Nioh which is going to sell more than NG4.

Also seeing as Platinum hasn't done shit in a long time I bet you it was dirt cheap and low risk lmao

>>724996490
>FFXVII
I got 127 hours on that one. Fun game. How's Dragon's Dogma 2? I played 1 on the Switch and I liked it.

>>724996346
>I know NGS and NG2 do.
Woops. Yeah most of that was NGS. Halfway through campaign in NGB but the xemu slow downs killed me, then found survival mode in NGS and went ham on that.

>>724994105
it automatically chooses a move for you based on where the enemy is. maximum bamham combat

>>724996486
Almost everyone that has played these games from before the newest one thinks they are normalfag slop. Strive sure as fuck didn't make them "most feared fighting game developers", that some teen cringe there. It is still nowhere close to the mainstream fighters like SF and MK, which also have been casualized into the ground.
From are one of the few studios that can be considered that they didn't betrayed their original vision of a difficult challenge, at the very least, though their level design did suffer. To this day people cry more about Elden Ring being too hard than they will ever cry about NG4.

>>724996645
>Demon's souls was considered to be niche as shit.
The fuck are you talking about retard. every fucking jornalist was shilling that shit back then. go look at the fucking ign review. nigga gave zero fucks about the frame rate and optimization. gave that shit a 9/10

>>724996729
I understand. Survival is addicting in NGS and even in NG2.
>xemu
It sucks that Xbox emulation is progressing at a snail's pace. At least it's possible to play the hurricane packs of NG04, but the performance isn't as good as the Xbox.

>>724996851
>Survival is addicting in NGS and even in NG2.
I think I liked it more in NGS. The dog levels in NG2's DS survival are awful I hate them.

>>724996772
>To this day people cry more about Elden Ring being too hard than they will ever cry about NG4
Brother, if NG4 were heavily shilled they would definitely cry about it.

>>724996717
Wasted Potential: The Game
Kinda fun though

>>724996772
You're retarded. In the time it takes Capcom to make one Street Fighter Arc System Works can put out multiple fighting games. I can assure you their fighting game division is making more money than Capcom's fighting game division. Speaking of that Capcom sells drop and SF6 aint doing so well lmao

Dragonball FighterZ
Strive
Granblue Versus
Granblue Versus Rising
DNF Duel
Marvel Token

and I bet there's more to come. call is slop, doesn't matter because people gonna slop it up lmao

>>724997079
The only one people didn't buy was DNF Duel btw

>>724996186
Okay so to be totally precise because I was curious, I have 479 hours on NG2 with one account, and 128 hours with another I created a few months ago, so 607 hours in total. That's more than I thought. I created the other account because I wanted to "speedrun" all the achievements but I kind of gave up on that. I should go back to it.

>>724997216
>Anon posted his MNM clear
Went above and beyond. I kneel

>>724997079
The face of success

>>724996930
Many normalfag streamers played NG2B and were beating it easily.

>>724997323
>Steam charts poster
Yeah you bought Strive. That's the mindset of a tourist

>>724997479
I have never ever bought a Guilty Gear game, lol.
>they made the game casual for the mainstream audience, which is a good thing!
>tourist

Ninja Gaiden players are so depressed.

>>724997663
Who isn't?

>>724997323
>not being the absolute biggest IP in the genre is being unsuccessful
You are so stupid.

>>724997702
DMC players. They got three Itsuno games. No Sigma versions of their games-DEVIL MAR CRY REBOOT!!! damn that was kinda depressing

>>724961030
thats literally not even the story and it wouldnt be an argument if it was

>>724997885
>most feared fighting game developers
>mainstream success
>without mainstream numbers

>>724997927
DMC5 is cool, but also I hate the level design so much it makes it hard to enjoy. It is better played as a Bloody Palace simulator.

>>724998019
y'know I unironically loved the level design in dmc reboot