Thread 725436461

>Starts slow, hanging Chekovs guns everywhere and not adresing it again
>Despite being heavely inspired by Acient Greece only 2 main characters have a proper Greek outfit
>Fully fused character storyquest and main storyquest together, making main quest bloated and full of useless yapping
>At the same time fails to have a proper character development, most of the time trying it hardest to pull out a tears from you
>Regress MC to marvel like sidekick with all of the options being "le funny reddit answer"
>ALSO making MC a self insert because main writer is high ego degenerate
>Instead of proper ending they make a marketing compain about new whore that saves the day and actually your wife
>All that lead to "big battle" of literall disapointment, everyone gets deleted, making the whole journey absolute aside from stoping the bad bad guy

The whole story starting from 3.0 is a fucking disaster and nothing burger. If you think Amphoreus is good you have room-temperature IQ and should be executed.

kill yourself ivan

>>725436461 (OP)
Don't forget, dialogue scenes have 0 direction and consist entirely of characters standing around and doing the *hand on chest* gesture.

>>725439139
>"aw shit trailblaizer, the door is blocking our delightful full of adventure path!"
>black fade
>white text apears
>"With such words 'npc name' rapes the child in 7 ways human cant even imagine, those making door open wide. You do a little backflip and smile widely"
>screen fades again with the door open now open

I'm going through Amphoreus right now and MAN it's grueling

>>725440456
I wonder how terrible the Chinese feedback was if it forced Shaoji to swallow his ego and pride and add a skip button to the insurmountable yapping he wrote. The only story I didn't hate was Hyacine's sky adventure, since at least the setting was cool and I like her breathy JP voice.

>>725440730
Either enough that they rushed ending or not enough to make current "heres my perfect waifu and we are married" patch

>>725440730
that part was alright but the music and of course the boss fight helped a lot
also I'm an ENG fag but what the fuck happened with the VA for Cas's sister?? those recordings sounded like ASS

>>725440196
FFXIV does the exact same thing.

>>725441093
14 is like 10 years old and all of it in-engine, though

>>725436461 (OP)
Times like this I regret not going all in on ZZZ instead. Seeing the level of animation, cutscenes, jiggle, meta, sharper dialogue and writing and of course the frankly better female character designs makes me so jealous as a HSRfag. The only thing HSR does better is that the gameplay can be auto'd so dailies take about a minute while I work. Which I'm not sure is really much of a positive.

>>725436461 (OP)
expecting anything from the chinkslop company was your first mistake

>>725441523
Dont worry, it's a pattern
>releases the game
>the stories are short, characters are interesting
>peaks around 17-2.4 patch
>later down the line updates became a promotional material for new must pull, while story gets boring, stupid and bloated
Atleast in HSR we get proper endgame and good gamemods like SU or newest CW, which is what i was focused through these patches.

>>725441523
it's the same shit in zzz too
>black screen fade
>white text "Time to use the new chinkwank technique that ShinfuChingdu taught you"
>black screen fade
funny how they butchered the only good game with chinkwank and lazy storytelling
they always do this in all their games because they know retarded whales will keep whaling for the new hp bloat content anyway

>>725441967
>peaks around 17-2.4 patch
nah the game drops the ball during 1.4
see hsr and zzz

>>725441967
I'll be honest. I'm not sure HSR really peaked with Penacony either. It started off really fucking interesting but around the time of the infamous Charmoney Dove, if not sooner, it just fell flat and in retrospect it made no fucking sense. Same shit as always thanks to:
>>725442034
Yeah the Chinkbloat writing. Taking 10 hours to say what could have been said in 1 minute. Mihoyo games alone have put me off of all future Chinese media.

>>725441523
I quit HSR exactly because of auto. I found myself spending more time managing relics than actually "playing the game", and it's unhealthy when the only time you play the game is the endgame. Guess that's how they mindrape people to pull for meta, because there's nothing else.

ZZZ isn't any different nowadays really. There was a lot of initial passion in the game launch, but I'm not really seeing any of it nowadays.

>>725441523
>animation
>cutscenes
They're just black screens nowadays, you do see good cutscenes from time to time but it's the same amount as HSR's prerendered cutscenes.

>meta
The powercreep is starting to get more aggressive, they need you to stop playing Miyabi. It's faithfully following HSR, back when they needed you to stop playing Acheron.

>sharper dialogue
>writing
That's fair, keeping the scale of things much lower does help the writers make more better dialogue and not spend so much time explaining technobabble and justifying plothax like HSR.

>>725442167
I do agree that penacony slowed down a bit at middle and have it's down time like the forced Aventurine and his gay shananigans with Ration, but overwhole it's fun and interesting story.

>>725442173
Pulling for waifus in ZZZ and being able to actual play as said waifu and upskirt her certainly feels better than the 10th woman in a dress with invisible upskirts and only two body types. HSR feels so cynical and lazy now. Everything to do with Cyrene seriously put me off the future of the game.

>>725442173
I just started playing ZZZ but with its potential I believe they can easily boost the game again by utlizing a more tech / nicer part of the city.

Don't forget, they intreduce new path with the main goal to sell cignature lightcones and it's that plays like other ones with exeptions like Aglea.

>>725436461 (OP)
>If you think Amphoreus is good you have room-temperature IQ
Giving any gacha game a chance is already a clear indication of that. Get some help.

>>725443849
And they did the same in ZZZ in 2.0, the game is following HSR to a T.
They're powercreeping Miyabi now so they can introduce the new Void Hunter shortly.

>>725443919
It'll never be as bad as HSR. HSR has no skill based gameplay like ZZZ since everything is stats based due to the turn-based formula. Furthermore you can not just "pull because you like her". Since the character you may like and want to pull comes pre-packaged as part of a premium team and if you do not have said team then she will simply not work at all and you're bricked. Likewise they often demand you pull for their signature cone (Hyacine) or pull dupes just to make them work. And they're also pre-designed to be put on life support and force you to pull another premium character just to make them viable again like the upcoming Dahlia for FF.

I can't speak too much for ZZZ since I dropped that game, but in Genshin you can still make use of characters like Furina and Raiden no sweat who are years old now. Meanwhile in HSR any characters from the previous patch cycle are instantly made fucking redundant. Good luck trying to use Acheron now. Or Feixiao. Or Firefly who was bricked the moment 3.X hit just a few months later. The same thing will happen to the current Amp crew.

I think wuwa's take on techno anitquity was better

>>725436461 (OP)
>>725442517
They were too stuck in HI3rd's wank, they could've grabbed Elysia's plot and improved upon its mistakes but they instead doubled down on it, leaving us with this horrible mess. They tried to hide it with all the
It's better than Penacony but that's not a high bar. Belobog remains the general best HSR story honestly, it's simple but it worked.

>>725444257
Belobog is childrens tier writing and not a good bar to set either. Amphoreus is a fantastic and ambitious idea if you look at what they were going for i.e simulation, destruction prison, repeated cycles, misery-wank stuff. The problem is that Mihoyo does not have good writers and can not pull it off. They haven't pulled anything off in general. They need to sack off everyone in the writing room who is a chink and grab some Japs instead.

>>725444257
They tried to hide it with all the appeals to emotion with Cyrene*

>>725444348
>Belobog is childrens tier writing and not a good bar to set either.
Yeah I'm not denying that.

>>725441523
>counts not playing the game as a positive
It's time you niggers realize you don't actually like gachashit. You just enjoy gambling and beautiful ladies.

>>725444525
Well yeah, who the fuck plays for the writing? Or the gameplay? Every gacha has dogwater writing and gameplay. People play to look at cutehot girls. Just like people only play FFXIV to goon with other men

>>725444525
Yeah nigga i like gacha because i can be f2p and play digital casino where I know soon enough i'l win

>>725444715
>>725444638
you're hopeless

>>725444774
I lost like cute girls.

Herta

>>725444859
I don't know how I wrote lost instead of just. Maybe I am a retarded nigger.

anon so horny his brain stops working

>>725444865
You're not having fun though. You're spending countless hours of your life on a game you don't even enjoy just so you can satisfy your gambling and cute girl addictions.

>>725444998
Sparkle butt.

>>725445058
actually I'm doing it to find the answer to a question

>>725441523
ZZZ devs are too reactionary. They are like a headless chicken who keeps reinventing the wheel. They've done it so much at this point nobody know what a "wheel" is, it has lost all meaning. And a lot of those things you praise have been the casualties of the endless direction changes.

>>725436461 (OP)
I started playing in last December, and really enjoyed Amphoreus. It was roller coast of emotions, and pretty much only the Hysilens/Cerydra patch was disappointing, since those two characters really came out of nowhere.
As for the ending... I thought it was very well done. All characters came together, and while it was not best ending for everyone, they did leave door open for Amphoreus to actually become real in the future.

>>725441523
>Seeing the level of animation
ZZZ main story is notoriously unanimated. Whenever characters are not voiced, they are not animated at all, nor do they emote.
People joke about HSR's black screens, but ZZZ is doing that to this day. Characters do not walk into conversations, screen goes black and they teleport in.
Or the canned HSR/Genshin animations like shaking their head, or putting hand on their chest? ZZZ doesn't even have that. Game with "worse animations" would have animated pic related, for example.
>cutscenes
Okay, the FMVs in ZZZ are good, but they are also good in HSR. I really don't think that one is better than the other?
>jiggle
No arguments with that. ZZZ characters are sexier.
>meta
...The HP inflation in ZZZ has been insane, let's not kid ourselves. We had two Deadly Assaults with same boss/gimmicks back-to-back, and in second one people were getting way worse scores because the boss HP pool was just that much higher.
I'm fucking launch player in ZZZ, and I've been enjoying HSR way more. At least devs there seem to have actual vision for the game.

>>725440456
Trailblazer, we must be better man

>>725441021
uh neat another eng va fan. I still don't understand why people hate it, THerta voice is perfect same for Mydei

>>725436461 (OP)
Uh oh you can't criticize mihomo don't you know this is a dedicated ccp mihomo general board

>>725445406
I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Maybe Mihoyo is just a trash company no matter the game.

>>725445430
is this what BPD chicks sound like?
if yes, I'll need to get myself one asap

>>725436461 (OP)
Can we please all address the elephant in the room
Mihoyo games have all been getting aggressively fucking full faggotry gay in the past five years thanks to genshin impact
Hsr has tons of fujo homo faggotry shilling to appeal to women
That dream world has a male giant and shrinking mini section, cringe shota faggotry etc etc
And no one likes space china
Meanwhile zzz is spamming gay bara faggotry

>>725444174
>Furthermore you can not just "pull because you like her". Since the character you may like and want to pull comes pre-packaged as part of a premium team and if you do not have said team then she will simply not work at all and you're bricked.
>but in Genshin you can still make use of characters like Furina and Raiden no sweat who are years old now.

All three games are going towards that path.

You can argue whether or not it's worse, but Genshin (and WuWa copied this too) has been selling teams in premium pairs, and the impact is astronomical if you don't have both.
Skirk+Escoffier, Flins+Ineffa, Nefer+Lauma

In terms of current endgame:
Furina does not work well because no one in Nod-Krai can make use of her (DMG% buffs don't apply to them), she'll see use in Skirk as long as Skirk can still bruteforce things.
Raiden has been powercrept a long time ago, she clung to relevance as a hyperbloom trigger, but dendro is dead and she can no longer function as a battery because Stygian starts everyone at 0 energy.

Of course, Genshin has more than just endgame unlike HSR, so older characters can still be used in other content (and is more healthy to play this way and not care for endgame).

People still play this garbage?

>>725436461 (OP)
Amphoreus had individual 'good bits' ruined by the ridiculous amount of padding and the way the padding was done. They built to a climax (Phainon cycles) which was fine, then the writing took on an incredibly hammy dramatic vibe as if building for a big ending, OK that's fine. Then they just.... maintained that for 4 fucking months real time while every individual character got to say hammy melodramatic lines over and over and over again as if they were about to march into the breach but then you move to the next scene and they're still doing it, again and again and again

Penacony did not have this problem because everyone was being fairly pragmatic right until the buildup for the actual climax, they didn't hold that vibe for too long so you didn't get sick of it

Also this wedding dress / wedding ring / For (You) pandering is embarrassing and that character art looks fucking awful

>>725436461 (OP)
While it is a bit too wordy at times and has some pacing issues, I still really liked it overall and is easily the best arc in HSR so far.

>>725445563
Herta is a caring person. She's just in an ultracompetitive mod. Every scholar there is fucking insane even Ruan Mei. BDP is more like Sparkle

>>725445563
I really like Ciphers en voice. It just fits perfectly. I think it is also the VA's only credited voice work too. It's over the top and theatrical but also suits the character to a tee.

>>725445581
>premium pairs
This is infinitely better than premium quads or what they've done with Hyacine where everyone is HP scaling and everyone wants Hyacine so you can't even make 2 teams out of this pile of shilled characters

Genshin team building is massively superior to hoyo's other games and we're still using such a huge variety of old random characters for hyper niche roles. Today I pulled DIONA out because she's a legitimate option in the team of the most recently released damage dealer

>>725445581
Not that anon but I cleared SO fearless without the shilled units simply by using game mechanics, despite this probably being the most shilled SO thus far. Horse boss can be abused by a fucking 4* character (lanyan) to break the shield and infuse it with the desired element, allowing the rest of your team to vape/melt/whatever every hit.
Wild hunt asshole is pure brute force, but still doable with a decent team.
Siggy trivialised the fatui boss, but that one didn't have much in the form of special mechanics anyway.

>>725445581
>Furina does not work well because no one in Nod-Krai can make use of her
As of right now Furina is a perfectly viable option in NodKrai teams but with the downside of eating half your health in a team which probably has no healer. Her buff does nothing but that doesn't matter, you can just not press her ultimate
In this team Furina is faster than C2 Aino for me because Stygian starts you at 0 energy so Aino has a delay getting the first burst out. Furina just presses E, doesn't burst, and refreshes E once every 2 rotations while swapping just to funnel Fav into Flins

>>725445913
Fearless is definitely still doable c0 as long as you have decent artifacts. That said, as long as it exists i will give it the lowest rating every version survey on principle so they don't get any funny ideas.

>>725445463
I'm sure HSR will also get tiring as time goes on, but ZZZ lost its charm for me fairly quickly. One problem is that devs simply don't feel confident in their vision, and they keep reworking stuff and adding radically different content in... like the upcoming multiplayer thing.
I liked the launch ZZZ, but the game has been moving further and further away from that.

>>725445581
>Of course, Genshin has more than just endgame unlike HSR, so older characters can still be used in other content (and is more healthy to play this way and not care for endgame).
I absolutely agree with this. Genshin is an actual open world game, with lots of content in each region, like side quests and enemy encounters.
So if one does not care for the endgame, it's still totally possible to use the team that you like in open world content, since it is pretty easy to handle.
Meanwhile in HSR the main story is easy... and after you complete that, there really isn't too much to use your team on aside from the endgame.
Like now after finishing Amphoreus... I could go and hunt for rest of the chests in the two new areas, but compared to exploration in Genshin, that won't take nearly as long.

>>725445563
I occasionally switch between JP and EN voices to see what the characters are like in different languages, and English Cipher, Phainon and Lygus were real standouts. I wish rest of EN cast was that good.

>>725446043
Same I'd rather see it gone and I hate it, even if I clear fearless every time so far.

>>725445639
>Every scholar there is fucking insane even Ruan Mei.
Except for the true GOAT.

>>725446192
you aight bucket man

>>725446091
Completely agree there. I have the same thoughts on ZZZ and finally had enough and quit in 2.0 while having enjoyed it up to the Sons of Calydon patch. They really fucked up and compromised on their vision while also not improving the worst underdeveloped aspects of the game. It ended up being the worst out of the three for me even though I even dropped HSR for a while to accomodate ZZZ (I didn't really like Penacony).

I also thought Amphoreus was fine, although it went a bit too HSR in the last couple patches, what with the dogshit pacing, padding and loads of purple prose dragging down the effectiveness of the plot.

Genshin remains the king for me and it's clear it gets the most effort put into it (and same thoughts about how it feels the most interesting to get new characters there), but I hate the new open world release cadence and the new meta trends. NK exploration was meh as well, it's all been increasingly dumbed down since Sumeru sadly.

>>725446036
If her buff does nothing wouldn't you be better off with kokomi + tales?

Gayshit fagpact has another kaveh analworms event

>>725446420
The problem is the cooldown and rotation length. Flins wants to run short rotations and can potentially do 16s. Koko skill has 12s duration and 20s cd. If you run TTDS you are stuck doing 20s rotations which is a massive dps loss

Koko cd/uptime has always been an issue and most teams cope with her burst and sacfrags, but then you don't have TTDS and there's no way you're getting her burst as a solo hydro starting from 0 energy

Furina E has a 30s duration so you can just press it once every other 16s rotation

>>725446091
>Meanwhile in HSR the main story is easy... and after you complete that, there really isn't too much to use your team on aside from the endgame.
I think that's the fundamental problem with HSR and why people are such metafags on the internet about it, there's too much on the endgame's shoulders, there's just nothing else to do, so why would you pull for a non-meta character?
I pulled for Yoimiya back in 2.0 in Genshin and she never was meta, but I've had a ton of fun with her, but I just don't see that sort of thing happening in HSR.

The new Currency Wars is a really valuable addition to the game as more casual content, but it's not somewhere where you use your own characters and relics. I see it as a positive for the user's perspective, but I do think it might present a problem in the business side (I don't think it'll get a ton of updates as a result..).

If they had merged all the Simulated/Divergent Universes together into one complex and diverse roguelite mode, they would have far more longevity and would be more than just busywork (They get tedious fairly quickly as there's not differences between runs). And it'd probably be far easier on the devside to just add "seasonal" updates.

>>725446804
positive for the casual user*

>>725436461 (OP)
3.7 good stuff
>Herta, Screwllum, Zandar, geniuses kino
>Final battle itself until the narcissistic Cyrene monodialogue starts
3.7 mid stuff
>talking with and gathering all the Chrysos heirs by walking forward
3.7 bad
>the way too long epilogue with the Chrysos heirs
>Cyrene
cancertrashbullshit
>the three hour cutscene of Cyrene and the other Cyrene who turns out to be the first Cyrene in a timeloop talking with herselves
>the other 1 hour cutscene with pretentious way too long dialogue ending in Cyrene saving the universe
>the yet another long post-epilogue where Cyrene and other Cyrene plug the plot holes of the entire story and remind the player that HEY DID YOU GET THAT THIS CHARACTER IS ELYSIA FROM HI3?
5/10

HSR sucks.

>>725447060
Completely stole the spotlight from every other character. Feels downright insulting to have the gathering and epilogue with the Heirs, as if they mattered.

>>725446804
One thing that we need to realize is that most people don't really care for endgame in these games. They follow the ongoing story, pull for characters they like and use them for a bit. People like us who care about meta relevance and endgame power-creep are in minority.
And yeah, while I do kind of like Currency Wars... It really won't be affecting profits of the game. Like look at this team, most of it is Trial characters, with Cipher doing insane numbers. No matter how you slice it, that is funny.
To me it doesn't help that there's absolutely no lore in CW. I'm one of those lunatics who actually likes Divergent Universe, since I actually get to use my own characters, and there's some writing and lore involved with the whole thing.
But yes, HSR is in comfortable spot right now for lots of people. They can treat it as an ongoing story which gets regular updates. Would I like it if there were some changes? Yeah, but it is one of the more comfy live service games to play.

>>725446409
As a somewhat new player to Genshin (been at it for half an year) it really is insane how much content there is... Sometimes even too much. I couldn't really explore in peace without coming across some side quest which game kidnapped me to do.
>loads of purple prose dragging
Yeah... I do hope that next planet not be as Shakespearian. I did like Amphoreus cast, but they really could have had more chill. Scenes with Cipher, Phainon and Anaxa were great since they spoke like regular people, so clearly writers can handle variety of dialog.

>>725446192
Rupert in the making.

>>725447561
Get outta here IPC, this is an Intellitron friendly board!

>>725447621
you dare call me a jew?!

>>725446804
>If they had merged all the Simulated/Divergent Universes together into one complex and diverse roguelite mode, they would have far more longevity and would be more than just busywork (They get tedious fairly quickly as there's not differences between runs). And it'd probably be far easier on the devside to just add "seasonal" updates.
I think that SU and DU need more of an upgrade in the visual department for that. Honestly, it's real downside is that it's just a block of rolling text and the rewards are Miniscule as best.

>>725447650
I'll call you what you are, you pig! You dog!

>>725447339
>One thing that we need to realize is that most people don't really care for endgame in these games. They follow the ongoing story, pull for characters they like and use them for a bit. People like us who care about meta relevance and endgame power-creep are in minority.
I do realize this yes. That's why I stressed on this being solely about online discourse.
The terminally online have a very unhealthy relationship with this game, which leads to a ton of doomposting.

>>725448347
Yes, but it needs to be fun foremost, rewards can be second place.
Look at all the people doing CZN runs with no rewards just because the raw gameplay is fun.

>>725448394
am gonna allegory of the cave your fucking skull

>>725436461 (OP)

If you're still expecting a good story after space China and make-believe land proved they can't write for shit then you also should be executed.

>>725448468
damn this far

>>725448468
make believe land was dumb but fun tho
Amphoreus is just a tragedy

China can't write for shit. They are literally the literary definition of flowery purple prose. This is just one reason their culture will never break into the mainstream.

Thank fuck for that too. China is dogshit.

>>725448468
Space china was turbo rushed, and Penacony was a disaster where they must've fired their writers halfway through.
Amphoreus was a chance to make shit better, especially when they said they'd make the story last the whole year.
Unfortunately, like the standard seasonal anime, 2 episodes of introduction, 8 episodes of nothing, then rush the whole shit in the last 2.

Sparkle will pull through. Believe in Sparkle
>Sparkle takes off the mask and reveals it's your actually your buddy Sampo

>>725448428
>Yes, but it needs to be fun foremost, rewards can be second place.
>Look at all the people doing CZN runs with no rewards just because the raw gameplay is fun.
Exactly, I feel like SU was halfway there but they failed to polish it. Even worse to realize that SU could have discouraged powercreep because it pushes team archetypes

>>725448687
I WANT TO DEFLOWER THIS PURPLE PRUDE

>>725448821
I'm still laughing that they're repackaging old characters into new forms to sell us now too. It's one thing doing it with March who was free and Dan who was also free. But realising they fucked up with Sparkle being useless day one, so they're going to sell us Sparkle 2.0 is funny.

>>725448784
The issue was more having like 8 episodes of introduction because outside of a few exceptions, most Heirs only showed up later on with their banners.

Genshin -somewhat- fixed this by keeping the story going despite those characters being missing. They just aren't part of the main plot, whatever. It's not an ideal solution because after the conflict's over you wonder where the fuck they were and they make up a dumb reason, but it's still better than holding the whole thing back.
Just hire more people and get all the models done for the year by the start, this will definitely help your shit writers to do a slightly better job.

>>725448989
isn't sparkle bis for redman?

>>725448989
This one will be a challenge, because the repackages so far have been of mid characters in terms of visuals.
If nu-Sparkle isn't as appealing as the original, it'll cause drama.

>>725449001
The gacha format for storytelling is awful. It completely ruined the ending here because they HAD to devote most of this patch to Cyrene due to the marketing machine going into overdrive. Look how many animated videos they put out all about Cyrene. Literally one a day in the build-up week. We all knew this was going to be the Cyrene patch and not the Irontomb one.

Likewise every patch has been devoted to one character or the other. The arguable peak of Amphoreus was 3.3. Who were the banners? Hyacine and Cipher, the two titular characters of the patch with the most screen time. It's just not really ideal for a coherent story.

>>725449080
Archer is also a Huntbrick. But that aside she just wasn't really meta at any point previous despite being easily one of the most popular characters introduced. Going by the current trend though I can see Sparkle the Second being super meta since every new character has been. Cyrene being debatable but I honestly think she's great for multiple teams and freeing up Tribbie.

>>725449137
There's no excuse to not have the character department work one year ahead. WuWa's having the exact same problem as HSR.
Genshin this year so far has been fine because they went for a shorter story (Everyone that would be involved was there from the start except for Varka).

1.X ZZZ also did fairly well with the episodic story that just brings everyone together at the end. I quit the game afterwards so I don't know if 2.X kept the same pattern going.

I like some characters, I made peace with the fact the overall story was too ass and stretched out to enjoyable.

>>725449283
We need more Hunt and other characters who have to think about what they're doing, who they're targeting, when they're spending SP, when they should hold their ultimate and so on
Enough teams that auto-play and hit everything all the time and do all of the things automatically, I want to play a videogame

>>725449423
nigga it's a gacha. it's just a png casino, the rest is just an excuse. why do you think we only very recently got a skip button? It was to prevent secondary accounts

>>725449514
If it's just a gacha to you then why are you playing?

>>725449423
But it's been so long that I wonder if people like you are considered the target demographic for HSR anymore.
Their game design has been autocentric like this for years now, it might just alienate their cash cows to release such a character.

HSR has never been a thinking mans game. I'd argue that Genshin and ZZZ are since they have skill components and a wider variety in team building.

HSR is just rolling for bigger numbers on your relics and using the pre-packaged premium teams and autoplay to victory lmao

>>725448687
R1999 and the Nikki franchise have great writing. Hell even some Hoyo stories were pretty good in the past. The issue is this Hoyo's senior staff are mostly writers many of whom are yuri otaku with strange hangouts who actively look down on the players. But many of that senior staff was held back by tard wranglers. But after Genshin made it big, said Tard wrangler were either kicked out, left on their own and/or were suppressed in the company. This is why Mihoyo suddenly sends to have an issue wth writing for a story with a main character.

>>725441523
I liked 1.0 ZZZ but its recent writing, design and characterization have been chinkified to death and back. It's now another yappy, overdesigned hoyoslop game with vague urban themes. I hate that dailies can't be autoed and I don't even do the endgame content beyond reclearing Shityu 4 anymore. I'm only sticking with it because of sunk cost and habit desu

>>725449757
>>725449839
Being a gacha player with sunk cost is miserable. Right now I'm looking at Nikke with envy. They seem to be having a lot of fun over there.

>>725436461 (OP)
Honkai impact 3 wank is fucking obnoxious
Also TB not allowed to interact with other characters because yuritroons get triggered

>>725448687
I noticed this with Arknights too, AK has good characters and cool lore but MY god they write SO MUCH.
At least koreans can keep the story condensed like ba and nikke

>>725449636
Seeing that one dude clear Stygian Dire with only Mavuika and 4* characters and weapons was really impressive, there's definitely a lot of skill issue involved despite people calling it a "simple" game in terms of inputs.

>>725449554
because I like the designs and the autocombat

>>725449514
The skip button is to give you shit to do other than endgame.

>>725450020
Blue Archive is funny. 99% of its cast is incredibly un-serious and designed to be porn-bait, yet they manage to balance out happy go-lucky slice of life schoolgirl + guns nonsense with actual very serious and often-times emotional plots such as the Trinity stuff, the "finale", Rabbit squad and so on. It's like night and day comparing it to any of Mihomo's writing who you can tell are trying way too hard and are coked up on their own gas.

>>725445406
>ZZZ is doing that to this day
So is HSR. So is everyone actually, Wuwa was talking shit about it and Wuwa still has black screens. DNA just had black screens too

>>725450173
am so glad it also works on events

>>725449903
What sunk cost, you can just download and play Nikke.
>but there's a lot of content to play
And that's bad for you?

>>725450350
Catching up on a huge number of characters and almost certainly having to swipe. Sunk cost in terms of time investment too. Also FOMO. Playing more than one gacha is never a good idea.

>>725436461 (OP)
>gacha plot
Who cares, you knew what you were getting yourself into
>but [insert like 2-3 good arcs or events out of a 10+ year old game with mostly mediocre ones] was KINO

>>725445365
But the devs listened bro

>>725436461 (OP)
You have to commend Shaoji on one thing.
He managed to slip his Mary Sue(s) into 2 games and not get fired/demoted. He's probably going (back?) to Genshin next if the wallpapers are anything to go by. God help Director Li if he's moving to ZZZ though, that game has no hope of surviving a Shaoji-era at all. Dude is physically incapable of writing anything but Pink Whore Save The World And You Should Cry When She Dies/Leaves. It probably burns his ass that the Gary Stu that is not-Kevin is likely more popular in HSR than his busted and useless waifu. If they give her away for free at the end of 3.0 you'll know it was because he threw a tantrum when the banner data comes in.

>>725450020
going from mihomo exposition slop to ba was honestly an eye opening experience. conversations feel like actual conversations instead of the participants taking turns reading 5-line blocks of text off the writer team's lorebook

>>725450821
Kinda insane how the amphorius cast was excellent and greatly interacted with one another until pink shit

>>725450268
I'm their minds Hoyo got away with it so they should to.

>>725436461 (OP)
I enjoyed amphoreus ride and lots of shit people complained I didnt find any issue because of so many VN i've read

>>725440730
Apparently they realized before 3.0 even dropped that Amphoreous was terrible. And because they were shipping around for collabs at the time it makes me think that all of their collab partners who saw the story, especially Nasu called it shit.

>>725450921
I've seen cope on r*ddit that the reason they talk like actual video game NPC's in Amphoreus is because it's meant to be based on Ancient Greece and they're AI.

Never mind that the entire fucking game is like that.

>>725451256
why do you browse reddit

>>725450410
>Catching up on a huge number of characters
Why? 90% of them are outdated and out of meta. Just roll on current meta and you're good.
>Playing more than one gacha is never a good idea.
Playing one gacha is a bad idea, it gets boring. I'm playing 6 and I just rotate through them. Keeps it fresh and I can always add more to the rotation if I want to

>>725451295
Because it's arguably the best place to search for help and advice on things. I also had a lot of fun reading the cope about the patch while taking a dump.

>>725451417
I prefer 8ch for tips

>>725451352
>Just roll on current meta and you're good.
Sure but I'm a FOMOdog and it bothers me seeing certain characters and not being able to have them. Likewise with collabs. Makima is likely never coming back. What about Asuka?

>>725451417
>while taking a dump
honestly reddit is an incredible shitting assistant

>>725451256
the cope of "it's supposed to be shit" never fucking checks out

>>725451256
...It's literally just bunch of different characters talking like purple prose. Anaxa, Phainon and Cipher all have pretty normal dialog.
And outside Amphoreus we have Belobog people, much of IPC, Herta... Like come on bro. No need to act like everyone is Shakespear.

>>725450268
The point is that ZZZ is actually much worse about this than some other games, even ones from Hoyo.
So many people do praise ZZZ's story animations, but that is mostly just FMVs. Outside those, it is incredibly unanimated, so it's just weird to me that people happy with ZZZ's presentation would complain about black screens in HSR... which is using much less of them these days. It was just start of Amphoreus which had bunch.

>>725444348
There is unironically nothing wrong with children’s stories not everything needs to be convoluted and deep sometimes a simple well told stories can resonate with everyone more

>>725450020
Communism is partially to blame. Most Chinese literature (and mythology) was lost during the rise of communism due to book burnings and killing off scholars leaving behind books that said mostly said a lot but also nothing at all.

>>725451554
>Outside those, it is incredibly unanimated
Not really because in story quests about half of the dialogue is voiced and presented with unique animations in portrait mode. I don't know why you're pretending that's not the case. People standing around and puking text bubbles is what happens a lot outside of the main quest but in the main quest that's only maybe a half of all dialogue

>>725451746
>Maybe only half of the dialogue in the main quest is unvoiced and unanimated
Do you not see the issue here?

>>725451665
>ummm actually Chinese culture is lost
Shut up retard. The problem is the exact opposite, Chinese are too in love with their culture and insert 100 obligatory references to Daoist practices and cultivation techniques in every piece of media they make. Everything they make has to have a 1000 years of lore for some reason, even if it's sci-fi. And maybe Chinese aren't confused by all this lore but I sure as fuck am. Like look at HSR lore. What the fuck is even happening, why is the cosmos built around what is essentially paths of cultivation

Genshin never really grabbed me, ZZZ i still need to do 2.0, and HSR lost me as soon as they said we are going back to space china. at least during the 1.- patches ZZZ attempted to keep past factions involved or around but a lot of gacha have the mentality of right here is X's banner so let's give them plot focus and once that's done they can fuck off and die apart from the odd event where they can stand in the back ground, which is why I like Limbus sticking to it's core cast and IDs are just lore and gameplay.

>>725451845
No, considering that other gachas are mostly just puking speech bubbles. Don't pretend that HSR or Wuwa or whatever are presenting their main quest with Pixar tier cinematics. People stand around and talk and they don't even get a ZZZ style portrait mode

>>725436461 (OP)
she's really pretty tho

I wouldn't exactly call this good presentation...

>>725452057
>Don't pretend that HSR or Wuwa or whatever are presenting their main quest with Pixar tier cinematics
Unironically in 3.X I think there have been 3 Pixar tier cinematics in HSR

Not just 3.0, hsr was the same slop from the beginning. It's a bunch of walls of text ending in an "epic" showdown with music that's supposed to get you all emotional and shout kino on your social media of choice.
At least belobog was readable due to the word count being a fraction of what it is currently. The slop was condensed into a more tight package.

>>725449757
R1999 player here, I like the game a lot but often feels like your typical schizo Chinese writing but other times it’s written pretty normally and enjoyable

>>725450935
It's also insane how she retroactively ruins a few of them with her dumb bullshit too. Aglaea is a noncharater and regulated to character development for the male lead(who is her BF until you show up teehee), Anaxa has his ONE moment of being actually a genius(but still dumber than a genius) wow, Cipher gets ONE moment of her hubris being a boon(she dies by being retarded on purpose), Tribbie written out and fucking forgotten basically, the lesbian Cesar and her fish rushed character arcs because budget running out(waifu needs her 5 pvs and a whole 24 hour stream guys). She ruins everything on some level somewhere.

>>725436461 (OP)
The beginning made me quit the fucking game, but I picked it up again a few days ago.

It's a mixed bag. There's some cool shit like the simulation GUI or when TB is trapped for a couple of minutes but a thousand years go by in Amphoreus.

And while Cyrene is really not my cup of tea I really fucking love Cipher.

>>725452483
dis nigga wants to fuck a cat

>>725451746
When it is voiced it is fine... but the problem is just how much of the game is unvoiced, because those parts have such bad presentation.
And it's not like every character has unique animations during voiced dialog either, bunch of them are recycled. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's smart development. But the split screen presentation really isn't very good.

>>725452057
In HSR, characters do walk around the scene and look at each other or objects, and camera angle changes to make scenes at least look more dynamic.
And Genshin Impact, the game with unarguably worst looking models of the bunch REALLY puts work into presentation of the scenes. Even the unvoiced stuff is very animated, both in characters and camera work.
Stuff like this actually makes side content fun to follow in these games, and ZZZ is dropping the ball hard.

zzz fanboys have brain damage

>>725450250
That's why ZZZ 1.X was good, it was all casual hijinks that got serious at the end. Now they just want to be HSR.

>>725451352
>>725449283
>rolling for meta
how about enjoying the pngs of the characters you like instead?

>>725453276
If you don't roll for meta in HSR then you're not clearing end-game.

>>725453276
Sure, for games with good characters but who do I roll for in hsr if not meta I sure as hell don’t like any of them

>>725453385
I only roll for characters I like and just today full-auto cleared Apoc Shadow

>>725453385
>>725453447
why do you care so much about that last star in endgame?
50 stellar jade you lose vs spending 25k on a character you don't like.

>>725453385
>1 pull every couple months tops
Spreadsheet trannies are something else

>>725453540

>>725453447 is right, there's nothing else to do other than endgame, so not pulling for it is counterproductive.

>>725452570
The cat comes bundled with the big milkers blonde paizuri queen. She's the 2-for-1 deal you can't pass up.

>>725436461 (OP)
This game would have been a lot better if March 7th was the protagonist instead.

>>725453510
the characters you like are flavor of the month, congrats!!!!!!

>>725453780
gotta give it to them. She's an excellent mouthpiece compared to Paimon. Dang Ching tho needs to fucking disappear

>>725453510
>btw I really like Castorice, Hyacine, March and Cyrene

>>725448687
I like having one last bastion of maximalism and hope they don't change desu, but also I unironically like old novels where that was commonplace.

>>725453842
>>725453876
Yes, I used Kafka and Castorice teams.

>>725452676
>REALLY puts work into presentation of the scenes
The scenes in question

>>725453385
...Anon, let's look at the endgame. There's three different modes which reward Jades, and they are on around 40-day cycle.
By not being able to clear the final stage AT ALL, you are just missing out on 240 Jades from one mode, and 720 from all three combined.
That is less than a single 10-pull. It is not necessary at all to clear everything, the game is about choices.
>But I want to clear the endgame, and to do that I need newest meta team!
You don't need that. My friend cleared other side of Apocalyptic Shadow with Firefly team.
>Firefly is meta!
Yeah, she was meta when she released... like over an year ago. Are you never gonna pull for anybody, or are you just gigamaxing single character?

>>725453967
Now let's see ZZZ do zoomouts during dialog.

>>725454031
E2 Firefly surely with lightcone btw

All mihoyo games are bad and the writing is by far the worst part. It's like the fanfiction of a particularly dorky 50 year old chinese man poorly aping shounen logic without any understanding of what make these stories entertaining in the first place. No actual struggle or sacrifice, no underdog story, just instant triumph for the super cool main character and his wife-of-the-patch.

>>725454519
The Traveler got shat on every region. Natlan was the first region where he/she got the hero treatment in the main story without a twist by the end.

>>725454724
???
He was the unequivocal hero of Mondstadt
In Liyue, he got a supercool powerup at the end fueled by all the adepti to genocide Fatuis
Inazuma was an incoherent clusterfuck best not talked about, but there the resistance fucking begs him to participate because he's the fucking avatar and the promise of assured victory, and he wins the war against the shogun by just going through the motion while only losing a retarded faceless NPC and gaining like 2 wives
I could go on but what the fuck are you talking about

>>725455015
Signora stomped the Traveler in Mond.
Was as much of a clown as Childe while the gnosis was being traded away.
Had to be saved by Yae.
Clowned on by the Doctor.
Traveler who? This is Furina's story.

>>725455391
>Signora stomped the Traveler in Mond
he murdered her the literal next time they met
>Was as much of a clown as Childe while the gnosis was being traded away
the gnosis didn't matter to the traveler, just saving liyue
>Had to be saved by Yae
still won in the end
>Clowned on by the Doctor
still won in the end

you're attaching value to moments that are outside of the stakes of the story du jour. Retarded chinamen think it's super cool to have boring villains teleport in frame at the end to laugh ominously hinting at the bigger picture, but none of that changes the fact that the day is won.

maybe you're not the target audience

>>725450921
Yeah, just like nikke, every cut scene it's like 2 minutes, 5 at most

>>725455391
Traveler defeated Dvalin, saving Mond
Traveler defeated Osial, saving Liyue
Traveler defeated Signora and Raiden, saving Inazuma
Traveler defeated Scaramouche and cleansed Apep, saving Sumeru
Traveler was just a cog in Focalors' plot, but was instrumental in saving Furina. In the end, did help Neuvillette fight back the whale.
Defeated Gosoythoth with Mavuika, saving Natlan.

Just because there's other characters or that there's still villains and plot to resolve, doesn't take value from the traveler's actions. If you want self-insert wank, you go play HSR, or if that's not enough wank, you play WuWa.

>>725436461 (OP)
Took you retards long enough, game writing got shit ever since they tried to force a love interest up on us back in Penacony, a literal who that became meta cuz "our wife" or something, now look where that went, literal nothing burger of a plot.

>>725450250
The funny (and sad) part of Blue Archive's story is that the most prominent theme of "be nice to children, it can literally change the world" gets absolutely undermined by the endless gooning to minors that the fanbase does on the regular

>>725456667
You act as if the devs aren't part of the problem too.

>>725451970
Anon they are obsessed with the cultivation shit because it's the only thing that survived.

>>725456667
>Minors
Aren't most of them 16? I feel like culture became weird by treating 16 years old like socially retarded 5 years old
In my times it wasn't weird seeing 16 yo dating 20 yo guys

>>725456743
Oh don't get me wrong they absolutely are, this is the same game where a literal cop student says "it's not illegal for students to go out with teachers" after all.

>>725456158
>self-insert wank
>HSR
>does literally nothing for the whole of 2.X, every single plot point and fight is done solo by Acheron
>does literally nothing for the whole of 3.X, instead gets kidnapped for half the story, several times
Come on now.

>>725456848
The ages are standarized to be around 15-17 yo barring some exceptions like a couple of some arbitrary 18 yos and some 11yos that act like fucking kindergarteners.

>>725457018
Because despite doing nothing, you're still the catalyst that does plothax and fixes the problem in the final battle with the power of shonen. Plus getting a bunch of wives along the way (Firefly last year, Castorice and Jesus this year).

WuWa is worse because everyone is your wife.

>>725456848
Because the target demographic is socially retarded people. If such a person is a teacher to girls, they have to make the girls retarded otherwise they can't self-insert.

>>725442034
TV mode was the solution to BLACK SCREEN - WORDS, but retards complained.

>>725436461 (OP)
I tried my best to read and follow Amphoreus story. I really, really tried.
I was fine with time loops. I was fine with "it was all a simulation lmao". I was even fine when they pulled "no you see THOSE time loops were Phainon's loops, and now we can get real time loops where you're the hero shit gets real". But when the Evernigga's patch introduced some hidden areas outside of loops made by memekeeper magic, I finally realized I was reading some schizobabble and decided to start skipping.
I skipped everything I could in Cyrene's patch as well, and what I understood from the summaries and cutscenes is that Cyrene is literally Madoka Magika incarnate but also the wife of every other Chrysos Heir, nothing in previous loops or whatever mattered but it's ok because Cyrene can rewrite reality with here meme powers. Also every other faction in the space (except Herta&Co I guess) told us to go fuck ourselves when we were fighting the big space Evangelion villain, and Erudition MC never because Nous does not give a fuck.
That about right?

>>725456848
I think it is weird because 16 year olds nowadays are absolutely fucking retarded and still act like immature kids. A fully grown ass adult man in his mid to late 20's or god forbid older is absolutely a weirdo dating a girl that young.

>>725457151
Wuwa is good because the wanking is deserved.
>That God that has kept your city safe for generations? I literally created it, it calls me master
>You teacher that was super cool? I was HIS teacher, he called me master too
>That organization that keeps saving the world? I created it 10000 years ago (alongside my AI wife)
>The evil god that fused with the good god and empowered the strongest warrior that this country has ever seen? I soloed it with only 3 elements
>That prophesy that keeps mentioning a warrior to save the day? I both created it and fulfill it
>All that shit about fate being unchangeable? I'm literally the only character that can freely do whatever the fuck I want
Now granted, 2.7 was utter shit, but the rest make sense.
The problem with HSR is that the devs (being mihoyo) want to humiliate their players and MC in the story, but also wanted to keep the self insert players, so they had a weird mix in which the MC did nothing but was wanked to hell and back, they should just commit to one or the other, same problem in zzz. They should just do as genshin does and just humiliate the MC all the way.

>>725449757
Nikki has good writers with good dialogue but it does not have good writing....

>>725457584
Man. Chinese slop is so embarrassing.

>>725457708
It really is. They want to copy the japanese so bad, but don't realize the pitfalls stories can fall into because the japs fucked up for like 40 years before coming up with working formulas for stories, meanwhile the chinks have been going at it for less than 5 years, so when they try to emulate it they fall miserably. It also doesn't help that the pipeline for release is really tight, so mihoyo in particular does a lot of rewrites of their shit while reusing some stuff, so it ends up as a mess

>>725450410
All you need are pilgrims. Literally everyone else is a luxury pull

>>725457584
People have mixed feelings about it, but part of the reason that I like Wuthering Waves is because the game makes it very clear that Rover is the protagonist.

>>725451970
jealous europeans get to seeth at Americans AND Chinese now lmfao

>>725457584
>Wuwa is good
lol

>>725458415
it's probably this monkey shiin

>>725457469
Just as Khaslana was storing rage over the various cycles, Cyrene was storing love.
Philia would tell the secret extra hidden 13th Titan Demiurge what happened, teaching it how to love.

Apparently while it's not enough for Phainon to put more than a scratch on an Aeon, it's more than enough for Cyrene to store the entire universe's memories in an instant and revert time a few moments back to before Irontomb destroyed the universe. Absolute bullshit. It's so disrespectful to the original Kevin Kaslana that we took his title of Deliverer, and they kept doing him and every Heir dirty here. They do not matter whatsoever.

The dumbest part is that when everything is resolved through shonen energy. Herta just shows up and says "yo bro, actually, Fuli has yet to be born, they have be born at the end of the universe to carry on everyone's memories", and then Cyrene has to sacrifice herself to fill in the plotholes created by these homo writers in this single sentence, otherwise another Zandar could just come and use them to make a new Irontomb (Same as he did before, by removing Demiurge and having him seek Nous to cover the plothole. How does that work? dunnolol)

>HSR endgame
>Every enemy just has 1 billion HP and a time limit
Why is the "balancing" like this?

>>725458825
Get stronger

>>725458415
NTA, but why do people dislike WuWa so much? I played it, and I thought it was pretty good (for a gacha)

>>725436461 (OP)
Penacony was 10/10 peak anime cheese. What the hell happened?

>>725458825
You need to provide incentive to the metafags in this thread to buy the new characters, haven't you seen how eager they are to pull for the new metashill? It works.

More seriously though, how would you balance an endgame where the difference in damage between E0 and E6 of a character is over 5x the damage?
A tiered endgame based on your spending level is probably the best like what Genshin does with Stygian, but it's still timed in the end.

>>725459074
If you liked penacony's anime cheese, you'll like this as well. What's the problem?

>>725458825
That is all gacha endgame. Limbus is probably the only exception, because the "endgame" there is just clearing the latest chapter of main story.
As for why... It's to add some kind of entry barrier. Without time limit it would be possible to clear the fights by making a turtle team with healers and shielders, the developers want players to actually engage with mechanics of the fight... which often means using characters made for those battles.
It was mentioned before, but healthiest way to play these games is to not worry about endgame too much... but still be mindful of the teams you are building.
After all, if you literally only pulled characters that you liked, it would be possible to end up with Amphoreus team of Aglaea, Cipher, Hysilens and Cerydra. Characters who have almost zero synergy with each other, and they might have trouble even clearing main story and farming stages.

>>725436461 (OP)
Hsr is a trash game and everyone who likes it tends to have incredible shit taste. Even Pokemon has a more enjoyable rich story

>>725459462
but cute girls

>>725450268
WuWa has black screens but the story has an overall better presentation. Even when their capabilities were pushed really hard in 2.7. I guess it helps when dialogue scenes aren't word vomit and the scene can be directed in accordance with a reasonable run time.

>>725459462
lol

>>725459017
I think there's a lot of dislike for different reasons. But there's a lot of irrational hate too, because WuWa fans are insecure and are constantly comparing it to other gachas, it is tiresome to deal with and people just shit on the game to make them upset.

In regards to the actual game:
- I think everything they stole from Genshin/HSR and PGR were "good" decisions, at least not worse than what there is in those games.
- The echo system they thought up is absolute garbage and is the main reason I stopped playing. It's essentially an artifact/relic grind without end as it costs no stamina, but also because of that, they had to make the "rates" far worse than HSR's.
- The story was incredibly bad at 1.0 and many people's opinions are solely from that time (Which is very disingenuous since they don't consider HSR and Genshin in the same manner). Past that it gets better, but it's... not great. Basic ML stuff where every patch a new girl shows up, you solve her problems and you get in her pants. There's not many interactions between the various characters, and it's mostly centered on you, the world building is not good.
- Game is not generous. Each 5* is paired with another limited 5* support, similar to how Genshin's doing nowadays, but they have double the character release speed. Their signatures are also frequently a very very very significant bonus, more like HSR, where they don't function well at all without the weapon. 4* alternatives are all terrible.
- Flying is SHIT. It completely destroys the exploration aspect of the game, but they already said they're not doing it again in 3.0

>>725460079
>The story was incredibly bad at 1.0 and many people's opinions are solely from that time (Which is very disingenuous since they don't consider HSR and Genshin in the same manner)
People are doing the exact same thing with HSR, except it's the opposite. Belobog was the best and everything since sucks. As for myself, I stopped WuWa in 1.0 partly because I was disinterested in the story and I haven't played since, so I really can't say if the story is good or not, and I don't really care either

wuwa's alright

>>725451665
>>725451970
>>725458364
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

>>725461447
Because WuWa was shit on since 1.0 while HSR was praised and people became disillusioned with time.

>>725462216
Yeah, but it's not just disingenuous WuWa hate that people do that. People were disappointed by WuWa 1.0 and never came back to the game, so they'll say that the story sucks because in their experience it sucks

to be fair the Bronya/Seele thing was incredibly cringe
what people liked about Belobog was the Star Trek stuff and Wildfire

>>725450250
>un-serious
and that's great too because those parts are funny as shit
>designed to be porn-bait
disagree. maybe 10% of the cast has outwardly lewd designs and another 10% involved in suggestive scenarios. and people making porn of everything is a given

>>725462431
Natsu is absolutely porn-bait. I would DIE in her A.S.S.

>>725442167
i'm just done with hoyoslop
i was interested in petit planet, but after playing heartopia, i'm just gonna ignore it
i'll see what they do with this game though

>Amphoreus is our best story yet. It is twice as long as Penacony and will be much better!
>Please stay until the end of 3.7 it will have a satisfying conclusion!
>You will learn to love the Heirs, just give them time to grow on you!
>You will understand why Amphoreus is so important!

>*Spend multiple patches shilling Phainon then Cyrene and ignoring the heirs*
>*Makes a shitty final boss fight that's somehow worse than Proi Proi*
>*Has to shit out a video explaining why Amphoreus is so important (spoilers every single other planet you go to will have a bad end because "reasons")*
>*Shoves most of the actual cool lore into web events, trailers, and codexes. Actual story is just walking around not!Greece with 8 hours of pointless yapping each patch*

Literally what did he mean by this?

>>725463803
The Chinese got an exclusive teaser showing the entire galaxy gearing up to fight Irontomb with fucking death stars, soldiers and wives hugging their husbands as they depart for war.

Meanwhile the actual (small) part of the patch devoted to Irontomb is standing around in corridors with a handful of random assholes talking at you and then a lame boss fight.

This is the best these fucking chinks could do lmfao

>>725459446
Limbus's "endgame" is either MDE or Railroad, and Railroads take half a year to come out. You'd think they'd at least do reruns of railroads or something, but no...
>>725460079
I think WuWa's presentation makes up for the story being "generic". The characters are mostly likable, too. I might just be biased since I prefer more action in stories, but HSR's 3.x stories are so sloooooooow.

>>725462643
Natsu is absolute Kino sexo and I would kill to have a taste of her milk, and breastmilk.

>>725464124
they know hoyofags are cattle just like nindrones
they will whale and paypig for low effort slop
most of hoyo's budget goes into marketing while the actual game is visual novel slop with epic black screen fades and hours upon hours of boring dialogue

>>725464246
she has almost no breasts
and that's hot

>>725464415
Tiny breasts
All ass

The ideal woman.

>honkai nexus anima looks like low effort dogshit compared to roco kingdom and dokev
>petit planet looks like low effort dogshit compared to heartopia, animula nook and floatopia
it's hard to believe this is the same company that shook the gacha industry with a botw "ripoff"

>>725464814
Don't worry, I'm sure Azur Promilia and Endfield will be the gacha to end Mihoyo's stranglehold.

>>725464814
they're cooking

>>725464984
>UE5
It's fucking over...

>>725464956
honestly don't know about azur and endfield
both seem about the same level as genshin and people are expecting something grander now that mugen is a thing
>>725464984
>ue5
ewwwwww

>>725464124
They put more effort into the videos than the actual game.

>>725464814
Petit Planet is really good. You just have to like Animal Crossing style games.,

>>725464984
Why don't they just make their own engine? They're big enough to do that. They must know UE5 sucks and they also had to heavily modify Unity already

>>725464814
>dokev
You gotta accept DokeV was never real anon. It was a well baked sample of a dish that will never be served

>>725465105
I don't know about Endfield but I have some confidence in Azur Promilia. The art style is lovely, it has a good mix between cute and lewd with the designs. The gameplay looks fine (need to see more though). It really needs more to make it not just be another Genshin clone however. I also hope they don't have slop writing for their story hooks. Azur Lane isn't exactly known for its writing though. It can't possibly be worse than Mihoyo at least.

>>725464956
>Azur Promilia
Maybe
>Endfield
Not with pityless weapon banners

>>725465252
I mean they probably will heavily modify it. Hoyo has really high standards on stuff running smoothly so they’ll definitely not do a bunch of stupid stuff with the engine.

Honestly I’m like 99% sure they are only using UE5 because the game is supposed to be more “realistic” looking, which is a shame to see them falling into that hole.

>>725465178
petit planet is exactly like new horizons, which is the worst ac title to date
and the worst part is, unlike new horizons, petit planet doesn't have any charming npcs or the same vibe as ac, so it's literally just new horizons but with better terraforming features
no witty puns, no memorable dialogues, the game just feels very sterile
it'll have the "f2p" advantage, but who knows what nintendo could do with new horizons if they see more and more people picking up petit planet
we could even get acnh updates like the one we're getting in january
>>725465315
anon, crimson desert has a release date now
dokev news is just around the corner
>>725465381
i don't have much hope in either desu
like i said, they both literally feel like they were developed around the same time as genshin, so the tech feels outdated
people saw what netease is cooking with mugen and now their standards have gotten higher

>>725465473
>Hoyo has really high standards on stuff running smoothly

funny you should say that, Genshin is the only one of their games that runs smoothly for me. HSR feels choppy for some reason by default and ZZZ actually has awful framedrops in the 2.0 "open world" areas

>>725436461 (OP)
I stopped playing because I got bored around the end of Penacony, but at least the story was good at that time. How did it take such a massive nosedive in quality? Like was the storytelling itself that bad or are the characters shit and not compelling?

>>725465612
i stopped the moment i stepped foot on that notchina dumpster
good lord, they really ruin their games with that crap

>>725465587
I'm highly sceptical of Ananta.

>>725465589
I play all three games on either my laptop or my phone with no issues on any of them. Never heard of any big issues looking elsewhere either. Sounds like s personal issue.

>>725465587
Have you actually tried or watched Petit Planet yet? Half of what you just said is wrong.

>>725465526
She is by far the best thing that amphoreus brought us

>>725465686
Ananta is almost guaranteed to be garbage like most NetEase developed games. Anyone looking forward to it has no experience with NetEase and probably started playing gacha games with Genshin.

>>725466074
Imagine if Cipher was the main girl of Amp instead and Cyrene didn't exist. What could have been.

>>725466496
You WILL like Elysia and you WILL get her 300 dollars bow.

>>725438917
Shouldn't you be in the trenches of Pokrovsk, piggy?

>>725466641
Shouldn't you both be there actually?

>>725467009
I'm from a NATO shithole, so maybe?

>>725466074
I love her as a character but skipped her because they baked blatant signature cone bait into her kit with the passive speed requirement.
Extremely scummy and obvious.

>>725466626
and you will also become a pretty pink girl.

>>725467191
I got her anyway. Ironically if a gacha has active powercreep that makes me disregard meta pulling so I just pull for who I like. The meta units are gonna be unusable in another year, but wife is forever

>>725467342
Why even pull at all at that point?
The charming parts of her character is in the story and you don't actually need her in your account to witness that.

>>725467437
Dunno, just a collection thing, I guess. Like someone else said, it's much better to collect bricks in Genshin because you still get to actually play as them in the open world, and it's not as good here. But also I have supreme luck and I've been able to easily memepull almost everyone anyway. The only characters I'm missing from Amphoreus are Aglaea and Mydei.

>>725436461 (OP)
Amphoreous made me give up on HSR and after this last patch I'm quitting the game. The only other game that got me annoyed to an extreme with yapping was God of War Ragnarok, HSR chars never dialogue, they speak through insanely long anime monologues and every patch are 5 minutes of walking followed by 20 minutes of walking, forced braindead puzzles and "fake" gameplay. I actually stopped following the story early on, when Nikador turned out to be a literal-who NPC without even an unique design.
Even if you skip the story, you have to press that button over a 200 times due to the amount of scenes and even the summaries make impossible to follow the story since they are also filled with metaphors and flowery bullshit that read like you are having a stroke.
Another greatest crime of ampherous was forcing a magical girl mascot plushie on everyone. Who in the FUCK enjoys this sort of shit, I thought all the mangas and animes that started to mock this would be enough to hint how stupid those things are

I wonder how the power creep is going to look like in a year, considering that characters are already destroying half of the universe and exploding planets with their skills.

>>725467824
I felt like this for the first half of Ampholos but I got interested again towards the very end when the story focused on Dan, March and Herta.
>HSR chars never dialogue, they speak through insanely long anime monologues
I loved the back and forth banter and rapport that the characters I just mentioned had, maybe that's why I liked their scenes and arcs.
Every time the scene is just Ampholos characters I skip and read the summary.

>>725467824
I found Mem being quiet cute and funny, actually

>>725436461 (OP)
Girl here, still waiting for five stars Sampo

>>725467195
This is just M7 with long hair and elf ears, how shameless

>>725468885
what's with chicks and him. I can also bet they are holding him in case of emergency

>>725469418
He's a fun and mysterious character that's been in the game since the very beggining. People hoping for a 5 star however are probably fucked since leaks suggest it might not happen in 4.X.

>>725469552
I mean I like him too, but am a man. Hoping Sparkle isn't a streamer

can't wait for the game to make elymillion dollars this month and send all content creators into damage control

>>725469892
christ haha

!

>>725470029
so is trailblazer akivili? is genderbend trailblazer akivili? is the stellaron akivili? is pompom akivilia and trailblazer an emanator? I was so confused on this part

>>725470029
Logical negation?

>>725470223
>I was so confused on this part
That was the intention, welcome to honkai storytelling

>>725470223
Pom Pom is emanator level at the very least, the entire world is being obliterated and he is still able to freeze time and mindjack you just to give you a last minute pep talk.

>>725470223
my schizo theory is that trailblazer was akivili and something happened to him on the journey changing him to finality and we are playing as terminus, aeon of finality. This is why nobody know what happened to both akivili and terminus and why we see the other MC as akivili

>>725468885
What do you remotely like about that guy? He's literally just annoying from minute 1.

>>725470608
What if Nanook killed Akivili and the Stellaron are parts of Akivili, would explain why Nous think MC is Akivili. Would also kinda explain why Stellaron completely change the world they are on

seeds anon
seeds

something something imaginary tree and the sea of quanta

>the destruction placenta
MYDEI IMPREGNATED PHAINON

>>725470223
(You) are Akivali. The question isn't to TB, its to (you). Its a 4th wall break. He only freaks out when (you) get to select the last option where it confirms his theory, regardless of which choice (you) make.
The Trailblaze is simply the audience's willingness to "keep going" even when they have every reason to stop because the "story is over"(or so were led to believe with all these fake out endings). That's why a huge part of the express is letting people off/leave when they feel like it, as long as you want to see the journey you can stay on the train. You only get off the train when you feel you've finished your journey. Yes the writing is stupid enough to do this, its been written on the wall since Kefka asked (you) a question directly as a player, not the puppet.

>>725470749
t. March

>>725471378
>Blickwinkel, Uchikoshi
:O
>Blickwinkel, HSR
:|

>discover imaginary tree
>make a god
>discover the paths
>fuck all this, return to caveman
what was his problem?

>>725470223
they spent an entire patch cycle to put in the idea that time means nothing in HSR

the new auto chess mode is fun, too bad your characters actually influence it

>>725473120
That’s the biggest shame. You are pretty much forced to only use set ups that use characters you own and have built for the higher difficulties.

>>725471912
Schropenhaur shit.
Genius yearns to learn, if everything is known then the urge to learn cannot be sated.

>>725473120
>have a cracked phainon
>only use him regardless of build
feels good

>>725436461 (OP)
There were a few things I liked about Amphoreus like my wife Cerydra, but yeah everything else sucked.
Thanks a lot Shaoji, for shoehorning your pink whore here.

>>725445406
>since those two characters really came out of nowhere.
To be fair they were dead long before TB and Dan arrived, 3.5 took place on a cycle where they were still alive

>>725473120
>First lost came because of HP bloat
Aiiieeeee

>>725464415
That means you can extract only the freshest, sweetest breastmilk, it might even come out pink, which is very Natsu coded.

>>725441523
>the only thing better is that I can have the game play itself
Anon... this isn't a plus. You deserve HSR.
I'll play ZZZ for you, and enjoy the coming multiplayer modes that I will ACTIVELY PLAY instead of watching cutscenes do the gaming for me.

I need to knock up Aglaea. This is not negotiable.

>>725465568
Elysia is so beautiful they had to clone her and send her to another game

>>725475704
>Aglaea
>almost killed you over a secret
>hag
>pedo
>voted for Trump

>>725436461 (OP)
Did they get the fuel for their space train? That was the whole point of visiting Not!Greece, right?

>>725476086
Yeah Black Swan was the one who suggested to go there in the first place, but they probably forgot about it unless they mention it in the next patches

>>725476086
Yea the souls of the anphoreans now power our train its the least they can do after putting us through 8 patches of that shit

>>725476357
that's kinda fucked up senpai

>>725476056
These all make me hard except for the last one

>>725436461 (OP)
why do biofoids hate Cyrene so much?

>>725476056
>almost killed you over a secret
can you actually get a game over there? I picked one joke answer at most but Dan Hang barely reacted kek

>>725476528
>yurifag too
Kill yourself

>>725440196
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cMXNJ3zkSiE

>>725471206
>>725471912
The imaginary tree is a fake. It’s a fanmade concept that started in HI3rd when Otto did something to help his consciousness to go into a timeline to save his wifeu. There has been no evidence of “imaginary tree” in the game or anything in Hoyoverse.

>>725476957
The imaginary tree is proven fact. Otto had a bunch of theories about stuff like how the tree worked, that was wrong, but the tree’s existence itself is without doubt.

>>725476957

Anon Imaginary Tree Theory is literally referenced in the game. It's just a model some genius developed for depicting their universe which greatly differs from how our works. HI3 does refer to the tree and HSR has referenced this theory and mentions an updated version of it.

>>725441523
Everything OP said was a lie, so enjoy believing lies I guess.

>>725476668
No you can’t. Castorice stops before reaching you regardless.

>>725477653
Actually, Phanion stopped the execution

>>725476957

Your idiotic fanfiction made me boot up the game.

>>725477653
>>725477807
oh right, they were in cahoots

>>725436461 (OP)
HSR will never have this because TB doesn't develop.

>>725478476
you can't cut shit with a bat, duh

>>725479048
We usually use our lance artifact for cutting.

Groomer

>>725478476
>implying
TB exist to form their harem.

>>725478476
>Hoyo games after HI3 will never have this because their MCs don't develop
FTFY

>>725436461 (OP)
Hoyo is hopeless. They just cant write appealing stories.
They started decent enough with HSS and Belobog, it was short and sweet.
Luofu was incredibly average and just took a shit on the initial hype that the game had. Penacony started off great, just to completely fall off a cliff 2 patches later.
Then all this is followed by one of the most dogshit Rappa stories and that Banana brainrot, and Space China 2 that was decent at best and horrible at worst. And again, a lot of unfinished stories, shit being concluded OFF SCREEN, etc.
Just when we thought that Space Greece will "save the game" we get fucking Amphoreus.

>>725479493
Wise/Belle will probably get something similar since it's likely just a matter of time before they become playable units.

>>725470749
He hot and funny

>>725478476
It was the kino time where they chased after Sailor Moon, Bayonetta and Madoka so the mc was allowed to have a personality

>>725480285
It’s not really the same thing. HI3 revolved around Kiana and her development. Everything, even the other characters’ developments were all attached to that. All Hoyo’s other games have had a MC but all the arcs are based around basically an ensemble cast that changes with the arc. It’s the main reason HI3 part 2 is such garbage that they had to rewrite and salvage it by dragging back in the part 1 cast.

>>725480708
himbo, got it
god I hate women

>>725478476
I miss old hoyo so much bros..

>>725482707
When was the last time we actually got an animated short?

>>725482928
The final part on the moon
We only get ad trailer slop nowadays

>>725453780
This. Evernight came out out of nowhere and she became the best thing about March.

>>725476668
You can't, but there is a bad end cutscene you can get if you decide to leave after hearing the titan lore dump.

>>725483781
Best bad end is the trailblazer room one.

Nothing ever topped the ending of Penacony, at least for me. It was a messy road to get there but this song still gives me emotions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8-v7ZnNB_c

>>725436461 (OP)
why are the chinese having hard time to write stories? Endfield is going to be the next big china gacha. Going to be interesting to see if they do the same boring shit.

>>725436461 (OP)
I have no idea how bad amphoreus but let me tell you the story didn't wait for 3.0 to be dogshit. It took a nosedive the patch after the Luofu finale.

>>725484175
Robin's songs added a lot of personality to Penacony. The rooftop scene with Firefly, this final boss battle and getting hammered by Sparkle off the ship are all iconic scenes thanks to them.

>>725483781
I wish they would turn this into one big skip button kek

>>725484175
I can't tell if I like or hate Penacony but the finale lives rent free in my head.

>>725484603
>Luofu finale
Anon the story took a nosedive when we made it to the Luofu and got better after the finale. Penacony was fine, it unironically just needed to be longer and drop the pretentious dialogue.

>>725484603
Yeah that Rappa patch was so bad

I think i'm done after amphoreus. I just don't fucking care anymore. i'm just doing dailies out of habit.

>>725436461 (OP)
i kinda got bored of it. Even with the new endgame mode added recently i reached a point where i just do whatever weekly needs but maybe i just throw HSR and ZZZ at this point. the females are cute, but i just bored of it

>>725485510
Start spending

>>725485547
>the females are cute
Wrong

>>725485761
well i love to molest them, so i'm right.

>>725485881
>used good
>blacked artist
Kill yourself, cuck

>>725485983
Well i wasn't aware of such content with her or anyone else. Nor do i care for it, because they aren't real.

>>725486230
>ugly flattie

>>725485251
I'm saying Luofu finale because it ended the 1.0 arc and people were hopeful for something better, but then we got the absolute trash ruan mei/ratio episode with rick & morty tier humor, foreshadowing villains that would be killed off screen two patches later, but also the amazing argenti sidequest that showed absolutely zero action, or spaceship, or giant space monster, it felt like watching a low budget sitcom.
And only then did we get to penacony which made me hopeful that the game would finaly pick up only to be bombarded by self aware trashcan jokes, switch to aventurine pov, non sensical plot jumping randomly between serious tone and amusement park dates, and exhausting jpg yap segments about some random returnee from hi3rd that manages to be yet another boring stoic katana woman like in every hoyo game, and then I dropped the game during the airship patch because it was so low effort.
So no I wouldn't say penacony was great, and I believe that even if I kept playing through amphoreus I still wouldn't think penacony was great. It had some alright parts like the end of 2.0 that left us hanging with the robin murder but you had to be there at the time to even take part in the discussion about it. The sunday fight was pretty good everything leading to it was awful because the HSR team is too preoccupied with inserting two new characters per patch into the current plot rather than writing a compelling story.

ok but why does life slumber

>>725486825
so it can wake up :D

>>725464814
They were more original before Genshin, there's a reason why HI3 was made in a different time

>>725484175
Penacony was the definition of vibes > narrative, but god damn if it didn't do that shit well.

By contrast Amphoreus has fucking NOTHING going for it. I actually have zero hopes for Edo Star now since it's most likely going to be trash too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7W8QR9fsFw&vl=en

>>725488474
New planet is just japanese land

>>725477213
>>725477361
No it’s not, stop it that’s a conspiracy theory in fandom wiki. There is no in game model.

>>725488474
God damn I was so hype for this and it had none of that vibe.
It felt more like a weird disneyland with ads blasting 24/7 than a funky vegas nightclub

>>725478192
>Game also says it’s a theory
The gamedev knows how stupid the fandom has become, that’s so meta.

>>725481096
A lot of the current writers for Hoyo are the kind that actually hated Kiana because she was the main character it didn't allow their own pet characters to steal the spotlight. Hence why they look for excuses to preclude their MCs from any development.

>>725490612
Just pointing this out but didn't they actually confirm this shit in hi3 and then Elysian Realm happened?

>>725476357
No we sent them to power the Xianzhou fleet instead. It's what Phainon would've wanted...

>actually posting in a pag shitpost thread
holy kill yourselves

>>725491169
Space China keeps getting way with it

>>725490828
It's got nothing to do with that, it's just that they struck gold with genshin's way of telling the story of the characters they sell instead of the mc and so they've doubled down on that aspect in their other games, only it doesn't work as well when you have two new characters to shill every patch.

>>725492205
The reason why Genshin uses that style of storytelling is because they always wanted to go in that direction. And even then Genshin has been straying away from sidelining their MC recently. With HSR it's set up really doesn't allow for the perspective change because it takes away time from the main story.

>>725436461 (OP)
dropped after the disaster penacony was.

>>725460079
As much as I like wuwa, most of these points are completely valid, and even the ones that aren't are a mater of taste which is fair. But there are a couple that I think are wrong:
-The echo system is better than mihoyo games, because getting a decent set (let alone a good one) can easily take you 2 or 3 months in hsr or genshin, whereas in wuwa it usually takes 2 weeks. In fact I did a lot of hologram VI with Carlotta, only to realize she had most echoes with only 2 good substats, and low rolls at that. You can crush endgame with echoes with 3 good lines with minrolls.
-The example with the most difference in power between their signature weapon and the standard 5 star weapon is Phrolova, with over 40% difference in damage. It was tested in endgame, and the difference came out to be between 5 to 10 seconds, which is less than margin of error.
-Even though the story is incredibly simplistic, its well executed (kinda like DMC3). There are constant cutscenes, with well executed camera angles and framing, and most have custom animations too. 2.5 in particular had the best sound design of any gacha game by far (alongside the highest number of custom animations and expressions). Compare this to HSR one hour cutscene that had a static background through all of it.

>>725490086
At least it's not another dream or simulation, right?

>>725448687
>China can't write for shit.
They have turboautism and think they explain shit well because they spent 1000 words doing it.

t. I love Spirit Blade Mountain, someone please keep translating it!

>All the posts and shitty eceleb videos about how it had a sad ending
>There was a fucking epilogue where you personally visit all the heirs who are happy and alive and just waiting to gain physical forms with all their loved ones
>Even if you didnt do the epilogue for some reason Herta flat out tells Cyrene everyones going to be real "soon"

I honestly dont think 90% of people who complains about this games story reads it.
Its fucking staggering how retarded people are.

>>725495182
>reading wokeslop
No thanks

>>725476086
Yea, literally the second we got there.
The train gets fuel from visiting new places.

I'm only playing through this game for this creature.

>>725441371
Most of the dialogue in HSR's in-engine too. It only saves the pre-rendered stuff for big action scenes.

>>725495694
>replaced by the next MC path

>>725490584
>funky vegas nightclub
Eh? It felt more like 1920s roaring america, just sanitized. People even smuggle soulglad into the planet lol

>>725496761
I'm talking about what I expected based on the music trailer.

>>725496761
That's what I'm saying. I think most people got 20s America vibes for it, not "funky vegas nightclub".

>>725496957
Oops meant for the guy above me.

I thought it was funny how people made such a big fucking deal about the Fate collab for a year and then it came out and no one cared or really even talked about it at all.

>>725497386
That was because the story sucked and Saber was a brick

>>725490936
No, everyone was confused as to what happened to the timeline. They looked into Otto files (physical papers) and still couldn’t figure it out. It’s like explaining how one person moving a rock with a gun is going to impact the world. Everyone at some point moved on and that’s when the new writer join and mess up the story for part 1 ending.

HSR was shit from the start, Belobog was unbearable making you put up with dogshit obnoxious whores like Seele and Bronya.

The obol patch in zzz was better than amphoreus because Isolde alone was a better character than all of the heirs and she was an npc
Outside of that the game has a really shitty story

>>725495959
Meanwhile in hi3rd they use pre-render and add new animations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5tF1GFWbs

HSR is the worst version Hoyoverse ever released in a game.

>>725497386
people dont realise that modern nasu cant write to save his life

>>725498864
>the game has a really shitty story
Is ZZZ's story really that bad? For some reason I thought it was the least shitty from the Hoyo games.

>>725499432
It's just nothing spectacular or special
There are big bads and they transform.into big scary monsters and characters of the patch deal with them after telling us their sad pasts
There are some exceptions but most of the time it's this
Mind you that I enjoy it because the characters are actually enjoyable and the story is short and goes to the point fast without pretenses
Also every char has like 2 or 3 hours of optional content including dates and is full of personality and charisma

>>725488474
>if it didn't do that shit well
it didn't.

>>725499432
>>725500013
Not even the devs want story in ZZZ which is why we've only gotten 1 story video (The one with the OG Void Hunters when the game first came out)

Is Tribbie still dead

>>725445563
English Cipher, Anaxa and Mydei are top tier, I don't give a fuck what any feral faggot ass weeb thinks

>>725501351
This and Lygus as well

Place your bets, he gettin one shot?

>>725436461 (OP)
Shut the fuck up. Holy shit! Never heard of this. Stop spamming.

>>725494223
Anon, I don’t know what to tell you …

>>725502328
Oh??

>>725498928
No wonder people said HI3 is the passion project.
Hell, their new Elysia is so much better looking than Cyrene.

>>725503643
They made the good Cyrene design a fucking NPC

Shart rail sucks ass
They put zero effort in the game itself, only on marketing and cinematics for twitter

>>725436461 (OP)
Oh wow, an HSR thread on /v/ that actually went above 100 po-

>>725501351
>>725502110
>dubcucks

Was Shaoji the "why do birds fly?" guy?

Only good thing about HSR is that one doll loli.

>>725500047
t. amphorslopper

>>725504264
Shaoji makes penacony read like the lord of the ring

>>725497386
>Lancer gets a unique model
>they don't make him a 4* at the very least, especially when Moze was the last 4*

>>725504769
>4*
Fuck off

>>725504769
>Version 2.5 released on September 10, 2024, includes new characters Feixiao, Lingsha, and Moze

That's fucked up. Though in fairness we have gotten four free 5* units since then which have all been much more useful than any 4* with the exception of Gallagod.

>>725441523
Imagine if they all took a shit in your mouth all night long.

>>725436461 (OP)
Is the story finally over?

>>725505605
Yeah 3.7 is the end of Amphoreus
3.8 is about the Annihilation Gang in Penacony which is why Constance is the only banner

>>725441523
I like Astra and Evelyn but they aren't enough to make me play ZZZ

>>725505695
Annihilation? I don't believe this. MiHoyo would never kill off a single playable character, especially the highly marketable waifus.

>>725502464
Cipher does so much damage in that game mode.

>>725506448
Bro? How could you forget about these guys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eWVW8ml9G4

>>725507425
It helps her payback thingy stacks absurdly fast

>>725441523
ZZZ has a shit story too, I stopped doing it a few patches ago before Yixuan came out.

>>725493260
Yeah part of the reason why I quit HSR was because I realized other games have way better presentation. Wuwa actually looks really good and feels high quality. Meanwhile HSR is just 8 hours of characters standing around cycling through 3 poses and yapping every patch. All the production value went into the marketing ie. stuff NOT in the game and it shows.

>>725506448
>bro come to a honkai thread and say mihoyo would never kill a character
lmao

>>725506448
Never forget Sakura PE and her sister

>>725510053
Still better than Amphoreus.

>>725512718
New hoyo is slop central
Old hoyo is dead as fuck

>>725510252
>Meanwhile HSR is just 8 hours of characters standing around cycling through 3 poses and yapping every patch
So like every mihoyo game?

>>725512718
>Himiko
Ugly hag

>>725515674
Genshin quests are actually shorter these days. HSR is the only Hoyo game to have 8 patches.

>>725436461 (OP)
The ending was absolute dogshit, if this had beeb done by almost any other company the writers would be doing naked dogeza on stream already but since is hoyo nothing will ever happen

>>725515674
Nah, for all the yapping, Genshin at least added more animations and play around with perspective, angles and canera movement a lot more these days. It's why the shot-reverse shot overload of HSR is extra annoying.

>>725519424
8 hour patches*

>>725449757
Honestly, I think ZZZ manages to skip a lot of this simply by being a lot more blunt and to the point, usually. Almost bordering on the usual cheap game "no context, no explanation, just jump to the meat of a topic and have characters talk a bit awkwardly" sense, but just enough there to not totally break things. Meanwhile HSR is so up its own fucking ass that it wants to be like some budget-devoid light novel most of the time now instead of a proper RPG.

>>725520075
It really is exhausting how Mihoyo can handle their games so awfully and never have any karmic retribution for it because they're just too big to fail
They single-handedly set the modern 3d gacha standard with Genshin and have been riding that high ever since, and no amount of criticism will ever bring them down
I actually had hopes for ZZZ at first but then they removed TV mode and the story shifted to focusing on the obligatory chinaland and the MCs gained cultivator powers and I totally tuned out
Shit's the same thing as Pokemon doing whatever it wants and being as low quality as they can get away with because it's too large to fall, but Mihoyo games are infinitely more up their own ass

>>725520986
To be fair HSR is still the best turn based gacha on the market. But yeah they are coasting solely off of brand reputation at this point.

Test

>>725522627
>cuckshit

>>725522729
>Be together with a man for billion of cycles, which could take up to 10 billion of years.
>cucked him for the mc (me)
I think she's based

>>725436461 (OP)
>their big fix to this disaster is more Firefly shilling
>followed by Sparkle 2.0
Yeah I think I'm good

>>725436461 (OP)
wow this just sounds like genshin why didn't you honkaifags warn us how dogshit this company is?

>>725526335
because it wasn't this bad before

So are you guys planning to try any of the new gachas games releasing next year?

>>725513447
I guess? I stopped when they came back to China after Penacunny

>>725530019
Nah, they all look like they suck.

>>725520301
>it really makes you FEEL like you're in the IDF

>>725455746
>>Clowned on by the Doctor
>still won in the end
so you think losing TWO Gnoses is a victory

>>725530019
I'll try Endfield

>>725499023
Modern Nasu can write the same as ever, you just don't read his modern stuff and are false flagging.

The polls on chinese site indicated that most players love Amphoreus 3.7 and the new mode, you fuckers are really the loud minority lol. Probably coming from the same f2p(oor) community too.

>>725502328
the trial version of the Kot sucks ass

>>725531673
>if you don't pay for the jpg casino you are poor

jeet hands typed these

>>725520986
>fistfuck the plot just so the MC could enter hollows
>you're still a bumbling useless fuck and need to be covered by agents at all times
>entire cutscenes and sequences wasted on showing you this
>come up with a retarded vision mechanic that's both shit in exploration and in boss fights
Fucking hell. I would rather play as the fatass bangboo forever

>>725531673
Shut the fuck up the game sucks and amphoreus sucks

>>725493260
But how many hours do you have to put in those 2 weeks to get those echoes?
Hoyo has been giving quite a bit of QoL lately, and reduced the overall amount of artifact sets, so outside of the first weeks of their release, you should have sets for characters on patch day.

>>725531673
Sunk cost, they're just retarded. This applies to all gacha games really.

>>725534019
yet you payed them

>>725515674
Nta but genshin adds more animation and camera angles. HI3 and ZZZ also have those visual novel portraits where every character has their own animation
With HSR, the camera angle almost never changes and they have like 3 different poses (arms crossed, hand on chin, hand on chest). It's the most boring presentation ever
They should go for a visual novel format alas zzz