Thread 725588767

What the fuck is his problem?

>>725588767 (OP)
Desperation Is my guess. I suspect he's got to show execs higher up the ladder at Microsoft that they're still doing something other than not releasing Elder Scrolls 6. Someone is probably eyeing something to cut to save money, looking for blood in the water, and what had Bethesda done other than shit out Starfield?

>>725588767 (OP)
He saw how well it worked for Snail Games and ARK Aquatic, so he had to get in on that.

>>725588767 (OP)
how long until the big mods get updated?

>>725589932
Why not make a separate steam id though? Why piss people off?
>>725590759
Based on Skyrim Anniversary Edition, 1-2 years, many of them will never get compatibility updates.

>>725589932
Bethesda has its own publishing arm, they can't be that in the red, right?
You're right that its probably something to shore up end of year earnings though.
I also have a suspicion that Bethesda intentionally routinely breaks mods now, in an attempt to combat the "mods are what makes Bethesda games, the game itself is just a platform" discourse that has grown up since 76 was such a mess.

>>725588767 (OP)
He’s sweating. He knows he can’t release TESVI until 2028 which will put it at 17 years after Skyrim. Due to the creation engine, it will look like a game from 2015. Due to Todd’s terrible design philosophy, it will play like a game from 2015. Due to Emil’s writing, it will sound like a game written by someone who is 15. I know Bethesda has had some disappointments in the past, but the long wait plus its poor quality will make it the studio’s first real critical failure.

>>725588767 (OP)
> Update broke my mods waaaaaah.
Quit crying like a bitch. You knew it would happen if you mod your game. You aren't a fucking victim. Just a whiny bitch.

>>725588767 (OP)
did Bethesdy really do this shit AGAIN?

I'm not paying 40 bucks to """upgrade""" my FO4 Edition with all the DLC Todd, I won't be the beaten wife who still holds the belief that her husband loves her deep down, in his own way, and will stop beating her one day this time.
He can cum directly into my lungs when he releases a new game tho

>>725591421
I'm of the opinion that TES6 will be "fine".
It will look like a slightly updated Fo4.
It will play nearly identically to Skyrim.
And it will sell well.
And then 6 months after release everyone will wake up from a fugue state and realize it was kinda shit.
But Todd will have gotten his cash and will quietly retire.

>>725591596
this. Also, if you use mods you didn't beat the game. Simple as.

Fuck you mods.

>>725588767 (OP)
fuck my nigger life

>>725591780
starfield?

>>725591847
>>725591596
Least butthurt consoletards.

>>725591745
Absolutely
It can't be parodied
There's a $20 pack that gives you all the paid Horse Armor nonsense (there's a total of 150 items and I believe about one third of them are Pip-Boy recolors and mods that make Dogmeat every possible type of dog)
There's a $40 pack that gives you all the Horse Armor nonsense + the Vault/Far Harbor/Nuka World DLC campaigns
It does not check if you already own them, you get the privilege of buying them twice

In exchange every existing third party mod is currently broken
And there's a fun new bug where your entire PC freezes when you exit the game and you have to ctrl alt del out, 100% of the time
And of course the people who actually bought the $20 Dogmeat recolor pack haven't received it yet

I'm trying not to exaggerate or shitpost here because reality is always worse

Oh, apparently ultrawide monitors work now. So Bethesda has that going for them.

>>725591421
God I hope so. Todd and Emil need to go.

>>725590759
a while, just downgrade. nothing worth keeping unlike Survival mode and Fishing in Skyrim.

>$60
for a pack of recolors why is Todd so jewish these days?

>>725588767 (OP)
At this point hes just doing it on purpose
>>725590820
>Why not make a separate steam id though? Why piss people off?
He did it so we can now review bomb a 10 year old game. Todd works in mysterious ways.

>>725592619
You do realize consoles have had mods for over a decade now.
Try to keep up, retard.

>>725593446
>simple texture swaps
lol. How's that Script Extender treating you? Oh, wait.

>>725592520
I liked Starfield. I'm not ashamed to admit it.

>>725594421
You should be

>>725588767 (OP)
>What the fuck is his problem?
You're dumb enough to buy it, and stupid enough to not set your file path to Read Only.

>>725591596
The game is a decade old. Its a bit different if the game came out 6 months ago and was online. Well it didnt, it came out when you were in middle school and is 100% offline

>>725588767 (OP)
Based Todd for shitting on retards that bought Bethesda garbage.

>>725591847
Such a dumbass opinion.
>vanilla
>pause game
>chug potions
>eat cheese wheel
>stimpack
>regain all life
>spam attack on enemy
Earth shattering gameplay. BGS games are piss easy on vanilla. The only way they can increase the difficulty is by gimping you and 4x the enemy damage and life.
Even then, just follow along with one of the numerous game breaking bugs to do infinite damage.
Piss easy on vanilla, but it makes sense, gotta take it easy on the console players

>>725594542
Never, in a world overrun by Witcher 3 and BG3 fanboys, I will cherish PDX games and Starfield

>>725592693
This shit is o ly rivaled by BGS previous failures and the EGS store.
Hmm...
>bgs
>egs
What did they mean by this?

>>725591847
>Also, if you use mods you didn't beat the game.
>for a game with sliding scale of difficulty and a pause button where you can heal to full health instantly
Who the fuck treats fallout/skyrim as a hardcore game?

>break every mod
Why the fuck do people not play with automatic updates off and keep a back of their .exe? Complaining about updates breaking mods is stupid, it's entirely your own fault.

>>725593446
Oh, this have a whole list of skse plug-ins that make your game great! Let me know when youre ready to search the store

How is Bethesda even still alive? Do they actually get good money from their MMOs?

>>725588767 (OP)
>exiting the game to desktop now takes ten times longer
cool update

>>725596083
Apparently they make a good amount of money off of it. Ive never really looked into it before, but I have now. It is a fucking rip off
Everything in there is "horse armor" tier and worse. They nickle and dime EVERYTHIHG

They are getting ready for the new season of the tv show which brought more players into 76 and 4. Might as well Crack them for 40 bucks.

>>725596083
Bethesda has nothing to do with the MMO, that's all Zenimax Online. Bethesda is still alive because people keep buying their games, and I assume console players are buying the shitty creation club trash.

>todd
i think its funny how thinly veiled his annoyance is when people dont like stuff they agonized over for months, finally coming out and saying (as much as his perfected vaguespeak will allow) that voiced PC sucks balls 10 years later

So we shouldn't expect fallout 5 until at least 2035? Im not trying to be funny, im being dead serious.
Since tes6 is "still a long ways out," it is probably say to assume it wont release before 2030.
+5 years for the next fallout, then maybe tes7 by 2040s?

>>725596592
2035 is too optimistic

>>725596592
I think it'll be out by 2032, assuming Bethesda doesn't try to shove in some stupid, unnecessary gimmick.

>>725597348
Idk, that is assuming tes6 comes out in the next year or two

>>725594421
If those four main companions weren't so unlikable, maybe I would be on your side.

>>725596592
I don't think fo5 is going to fucking exist, at least not under bethesda. tes6 is not going to live up to the hype and after starfield I don't think they have any goodwill left to burn

>>725597801
I think youre right. I think tes6 will be their last large game. I also think the reason is is "still far out" is because they are rebuilding it after the starfield bullshit.

I think the desert parts were probably all randomly generated crap, then they saw how much everyone hated it in starfield and they are having to nuke it all.

I assume that everything outside of the towns was probably randomly generated and the main part of the game was going to be navigating an endless desert or an endless sea eith your build-a-boat system

>>725597664
I think two years is a reasonable time for TES6 to come out

>>725597664
>>725598337
There's never going to be a TES VI. Jeremy Soule was the heart of the series. Without him they can't make an Elder Scrolls game, and they know it.

>>725598475
Climate has changed. They could announce that Jeremy Soule is back for TES6 and everyone would rejoice. Shame Bethesda isn't smart enough to do it.

>>725592693
Had hoped things would be different now when Microsoft owns them but
Bethesda
Bethesda never changes

>>725598829
They could, but they won't. At this point they'd probably have to pay him a LOT of money and grovel publicly a bit to get him to return after how badly they fucked him over, and they won't do that.

>>725591421
gmanshill: TESVI is the best game of [current year]

>>725598862
>Had hoped things would be different now when Microsoft owns them
I'm curious as to know why. Microsoft allowed Don Mattrick to kill the brand, Phil Spencer is a bag of hot air, and all their exclusives are mediocre. Why exactly did you think MS would have a positive influence on Bethesda Softworks?

>>725598337
Its "still a long way out" though. I think they had to scrap a lot of it

>>725598475
>inon zur doing the score for fucking ELDERSCROLLS 6
im already mad and i havent even heard it yet

>>725588767 (OP)
>break every mod

Chad move.

>>725591421
>Due to the creation engine, it will look like a game from 2015.
Have you seen how gorgeous people have modded Skyrim to be? Gamebryo can absolutely look beautiful. But that'd require having competent developers on the team instead of lazy hacks and POOJEETS. Yes, Bethesda now employs a ton of shitjeets, that's why Starfield ended up the way it is.

Bethesda needs a Great Flush and then they need to hire a bunch of White and Asian men to get things back on track.

>>725593446
>please modder! please is just a check!!!

>>725591421
Bethesda games are so fucking bad they've been making the same open world light rpgs that are all basically the same for years. If one company starts making similar games that's not pozzed, with ugly characters, dated graphics, with actual rpg systems they'd easily get forgotten. Too bad normalfags still liked Starfield despite being bad and Oblivion remaster was lackluster

>>725592693
It's insane to me that as of late you have all of these tiny indie devs releasing functional products and here's Bethesda, a triple A studio, trundling in like a fly-by-night huckster to break everything with every patch while demanding more money.

>>725599043
Soule isn't some infallible god. That faggot STILL hasn't put out the fully funded kickstart soundtrack he was supposed to make. I gave that fucker $50!
He'd probably comeback if Bethesda approached him, even if it's anonymously

>>725590759
some never will
some mod devs are legit dead, games been out for 12 years

>>725591421
Was Starfield seriously -not- a critical failure?

>>725599237
>update 10 year old offline single player game
>charges you for a game you already own
>didnt make anything new, just charges you for other people work
>breaks your mod list
>refuses to elaborate

>>725591596
>You knew it would happen if you mod your game
How did we know this?

>>725599271
>If one company starts making similar games
It's been decades and no one has even made an attempt. Can't really criticise Bethesda for making one type of game when they're the only ones making said type. That makes their games inherently unique and different.

>>725599254
Thats what gets me, my skyrim is beautiful. Now, it has taken me 2 years to build my list, but ill be dammed if it doesn't look better than 2025 games

>>725599610
It sold well because of Todd's brand name

>>725599776
Because updates always breaks mods?
And Bethesda announced the update before dropping it. Which gave people ample to disable automatic updates. Is this your first Bethesda game?

>>725600039
If I was Chad howard, I would shadow drop updates to the address libraries every few weeks

>>725599254
>Yes, Bethesda now employs a ton of shitjeets
No they don't, they just outsource to india like every retarded dev does now. The same jeet studio that worked on Starfield always worked on Elden Ring.

>>725593446
only microsoft and bethesda approved ones and half of them are paid

>>725600140
That wouldn't affect anyone above 80 IQ. Even the most braindead person should know that you disable automatic updates if you mod Bethesda games.

>>725599254
You can get Skyrim to look really nice. But in order to do that you have to accept a 10 minute startup time and instability out the ass.
Gamebryo is limiting Bethesda. It has been for a decade now.

>>725596592
>2035
Todd is gonna retire in like 10 years, you're never getting F5, especially after the shitshow that will be TESVI in 2028.

>>725591421
An insider said they're aiming for a 2029 release however thats also when GTA6 is coming to PC barring any new delays so 2030 is more likely.

>>725600474
>Gamebryo is limiting Bethesda
No it isn't. Why do you retards speak as if anyone else is doing what Bethesda does on other engines?

>>725590910
>they can't be that in the red, right?
they probably aren't in the red, but the problem was that starfield was marketed as a game with a decade of longevity and support but all but the most bethesda-brained players have already abandoned it.

>>725600450
You can run from Todd, but he's going to get you in the end. All you have to do is slip one time in your steam library and BAM, updates

>>725589932
>Desperation Is my guess.

It's 100% this, they did this because the Fallout show was a massive hit and Bethesda has absolutely nothing in the pipeline for Fallout 5.

Microsoft right now is not happy about Bethesda and they have every right not to be, they bought them thinking Starfield was the next Skyrim and instead they got a boring wet fart not even modders care to save. Todd Howard's "We're just guys who love making video games haha!" has scaled terribly with AAA game development. Skyrim being one of the most successful games OF ALL TIME and the sequel taking 20 YEARS is an absolute embarrassment. The fact that Obsidian actually offered to make a TES New Vegas but BGS shot it down because "that's OUR ip" is fucking insanity. Todd and his inner circle has way too much sway at ZeniMax. This is actually one of those times when the suits should have stepped in and said "Excuse me, what the fuck are you guys doing?"

It's insane that Microsoft has axed so many good things yet the management at BGS still largely remains. If it wasn't for the Oblivion remaster selling a shit ton I bet heads would be rolling right now.

>>725600750
It doesn't matter when they can't put out a game that looks and plays any newer than something from 2015.
Stop and make a new engine or update gamebryo significantly if you absolutely need the player to be able to stack 400 cheese wheels. One that can handle ladders and vehicles without a loading screen.
The blame for Starfield being such a piece of shit can be laid at least 50% at gamebryo's feet because it simply cannot handle what was asked of it.

>>725588767 (OP)
I genuinely think he's jealous at this point.

>>725600948
>Backup .exes
Now what? Even if I slip up, fixing it as simple as dragging and dropping two files.

>>725600474
Thats because im using 2000 mods by 800 different people, half of which cant speak English. Then my retard ass comes along and holds it together with mo2, spit, ducttape, lube, and some cum for good measure.
Its a miracle my GPU hasn't burned down my house

lol I remember when everyone said bro get skyrim special edition it's so much better and then it ended up having this same problem

>>725601091
Todd is eternal
You can back them up this time, but what about next? And next? And next?
After ten years, the fallout fans didnt expect to have their games break. Look at how many didnt bother making their files read only.
Todd will be there waiting for when your backup fails

>>725601010
They did update Gamebryo, it's called Creation Engine. And the engine can do ladders, there's just no point, since it adds nothing to the game. New Vegas has working vehicle mods, and Starfield has a driveable Rover. People love to ignorantly bitch about the engine when it's Bethesda's ace in the hole. You don't think it's strange that Skyrim can sell 60mil copies, but there are ZERO clones? When every other remotely popular game gets clones within a few years after release?

>>725601156
>be me
>Playing skyrim in 2025
>encounter a softlocking bug
>Google it
>find vague answers that dont fix it
>sees date of forum post
>2011
>mfw

>>725588767 (OP)
I still don't understand their thought process behind the development of starfield. It's basically just their same typical RPG but stretched out over a galaxy instead of a medium-ish sized map so everything is far away from each other and it has even less unique content than usual, and on top of that there's zero reason at all to interact with the base building shit or really to explore much, so the entire thing is pointless from a gameplay perspective. You could've placed the entirety of the content in one solar system or even just one planet and the experience would've been unchanged.

>>725593686
Consolebabbies don't even know what that means. Look at the comments Arvin of any SKSE plugin on Nexus, and you'll always have some retard asking when the console port is coming.

>>725601285
Upload them to a cloud storage or a USB.

>>725591847
>beating a bethesda game

>>725601494
they were expecting modders to put in entire fucking planets for them instead of doing any effort themselves
tes6 is gonna be one fort with a fucking roblox UI to select your own custom content levels for

>>725600949
>Microsoft right now is not happy about Bethesda
your source?

>>725601428
Man that shit is already a fucking nightmare when I'm trying to get an old game working. Now Todd wants me to do it every time they update? Skyrim is NOT good enough to justify that hassle.

I'm just waiting for them to stop updating. If it takes twenty years, fine, I won't play for twenty years.

>>725592693
I got one more

As of right now the game does not recognize the Automatron DLC even if you own it and have it installed
Which means that any mod that requires it, aka 90% of all mods since they usually require all DLC, will refuse to install

Including the new officially supported mods Bethesda just launched yesterday!

I've got a big request here. When Bethesda introduced this huge update for one of their most popular games, perhaps they could have gotten someone, an intern in the office or something, to boot up Fallout4.exe and see if it runs before pushing the auto update to millions of people?
Was that too much to ask?

>>725602047
>Cat poster
>Retarded
Like clockwork.

>>725601747
>tes6 is gonna be one fort with a fucking roblox UI to select your own custom content levels for

According to a leakfag there is actually a power struggle at BGS where like half the team wants TES6 to be something more BotW-inspired mainly focused on freedom and systems while the other half wants a more traditional BGS games with linear main quest and such. Take with a grain of salt of course but sounds plausible to me

>>725602120
Uh oh, Bethesdashill triggered!

>>725601395
And Creation still looks dated.
Starfield doesn't look good, anon. And everything about the gameplay feels dated and stiff. If they can't make the game look and feel like it was made in the 2020s what hope do they have to compete when the release window for TES6 is looking like it'll be 2029 at the earliest?
>and the engine can do ladders
modders have forced it to do ladders by effectively playing a scripted animation, it won't let the player just do ladders like most other games.
>New Vegas has working vehicle mods, and Starfield has a driveable Rover
Both buggier than shit, anon. The rover honestly more than the mods.

Creation/Gamebryo has a gimmick it does well. Physics objects. Everything else unique about it is the "Bethesda RPG jank" that is endearing but doesn't make a game good. And at this point the infinite physics objects thing is the same. Its a quaint gimmick from when physics was new to games. No indie wants to try and copy Skyrim because no indie has the time to put twenty million lines of dialogue and a hundred visitable locations. Skyrim clones are game for big studios and they're all doing their own thing. The secret isn't the engine, its a big team.

>>725602148
Jesus fucking Christ, I hope the traditionalists win.

>>725599610
it was one of, if not the highest selling game that year

>>725601494
I've heard that bases had a point because they are refueling points. They cut fuel from starships late-ish in development because building out a base network to explore the galaxy either was deemed too tedious or it wasn't working the way they wanted.
A lot of Starfields weirder and stupider gameplay issues are from content that was cut around it.

>>725602190
Nope. You can just turn off automatic updates, but that's beyond your kind.

>>725602005
>your source?
pure common sense I'm afraid

>>725602386
Or you could just make your updates work.

>>725602148
Hope the BotWfags win, Skyrim is only good due to being a moddable fantasy sandbox. Quest design and writing is complete dogshit

>>725602078
>perhaps they could have gotten someone, an intern in the office or something, to boot up Fallout4.exe and see if it runs before pushing the auto update to millions of people?
baffling tbqh desu

>>725602148
>According to a leakfag there is actually a power struggle at BGS
Anywhere to read this?

i didnt really pay attention to the hullabaloo when it was revealed to be a paid upgrade, so i didnt realize my game would update. the load order went up in flames but i had hit that point in the playthrough where i was like 70 hours in and realizing i had bloated the game to star citizen-proportions and was getting a bit irritated with half the mods, so i'm not that torn up about it. i've been wanting to try the simonrim suite in skyrim anyway so i think that will be my next move
>inb4 todd drops a shadow update for skyrim

very common fallout L
my condolences go out to all fallout fans for enjoying this franchise

>>725588767 (OP)
Can't they at least fix the broken frame pacing? That's literally the only mod I 100 % need and some faggot always patches it so it's possible to fix.

>>725602781
You want shitfailed II?

>>725602192
Every single Bethesda game looks dated, and always has, that's never going to change.
>Feel like it was made in the 2020s
Nigga, Oblivion Remaster feels nearly identical to the original and it still sold gangbusters. Bethesda's games don't need great gameplay, they just need passable gameplay.
>modders have forced it to do ladders by effectively playing a scripted animation, it won't let the player just do ladders like most other games.
Well yeah, ladders are just climbing animations. Complaining about such an inconsequential and outright worthless thing is beyond nitpicking.
>Creation/Gamebryo has a gimmick it does well. Physics objects
No. Bethesda uses Havok, they don't have a proprietary physics engine like Source.
>Skyrim clones are game for big studios and they're all doing their own thing
No they aren't. Big studios are literally just copy-cats, which is why fucking Prop Hunt is a game mode in COD. It's why every major FPS has to have a Battle Royale. It's why there's constant Remakes of old games.
The video game industry copies every single semi-popular game, yet you're telling me that not one studio attempted to copy the most popular RPG to ever exist?

>>725603007
Problem with Starfield is that the setting sucks fucking ass and the whole "explore hundreds of empty planets!" is fundementally shit.
Also Starfield had laughably bad attempts at romance, the bad Bethesda quest design and writing is still very much present

>>725601664
Todd will overwrite the cloud and you will lose your flash drive. Todd will win in the end

>>725588767 (OP)
>retarded fanbase gets retarded things
wow what a surprise

>>725602078
I really dont know, it blows my mind the way they so things. None of their shit makes sense and all of their success is luck.

Why not just release a short dlc?

>>725596592
it's up to Microsoft

>>725600483
Todd haven't cared about games for 10 years now, I doubt he plays a single one.

>>725592693
Eh, the CC bundle works on my machine (for the most part, still need to download a few things that inexplicably didn't install), and my only active save was vanilla (less shit to break). Still a pretty disappointing product, overall. I had really hoped there would be more substantial content in the new CC stuff. Skins / furniture are nice for roleplaying with settlements and player character builds, but they don't do a whole lot to address the real shortcomings of FO4.

>>725602493
>Starfield barely has 50 times the Onirism in-game player count

>>725602493
>porn game vs ugly pajeet game
unfair comparison

>>725601494
Bethesda is retarded, I wouldn't be surprised if Starfield was supposed to have a voiced protagonist again. They just love doubling down on the absolute worst game features like settlement systems and Proc gen slop.

>>725605303
Couldn't Starfield be turned into a porn game as well?
Or did they do the ultimate stupidity and made it less moddable?

>>725604591
I still have my OG Morrowind saves.

>>725588767 (OP)

>You mocked Todd the God's magnum opus Starfield.

>You say New Vegas is better than 3.

>You demand remakes untouched by Todd-sama's hand.

>You reject his desires to retrofit Mod cash shops into older games.

You get what you fucking deserve when Todd's wrath comes for you! Seethe faggots!

>>725604709
This

I'm laughing. People are dealing with their broken game that was broken 18 months ago and wasn't fixed and is now even more broken and I'm laughing

>>725605506
People simply do not give a fuck about the game and its setting enough to put in the effort. It's really just that.

>>725605506
wasn't there a modder saying that he stopped working on a Starfield mod cause he lost interest in the game or something like that?

>>725606973
i at least expect the club to be fixed

>>725600039
>Because updates always breaks mods?
thats not even true.
so you don't actually mod anything lmao

>>725605506
>Couldn't Starfield be turned into a porn game as well
Only if someone mod out india auntie and chink granma

>>725607102
>wasn't there a modder saying that he stopped working on a Starfield mod cause he lost interest in the game or something like that?

Yes, everyone gave up on modding the game because what's the point if you don't like anything that's there to begin with? Might as well make your own game you can actually sell at that point. BGS took modders for granted, failing to realize that they'll only show up if they like what's there to begin with

>>725588767 (OP)
>>725589932
They need to go back and remake the game from the ground up.
They will get the Cyberpunk 2077 and No Man's sky treatment if they do that.
>Redo the space as 1 large map, you have to fly to your destinations, aka FreeLancer
>Handcraft each planet, can be enclosed space, no more generated materials
>Redo the story, or make an expansion with a better story. Choices that will matter.
>No essential NPCs, with that fact, plan all quests with that in mind.
>Make space more fun, introduce intelligent alien species, AI androids, memorable quest, maybe Detective Noire in futuristic city
>Actually be M rated, not be afraid of showing sexy NPCs and tits
>Make battles tactical, have shield that needs to be generated and vented. Different ammunition cause different type of damage. Have Weight/cargo space limit.
>All of the above can be achieved in that engine.
If I was in charge under Todd, I would have achieved all of the above points in 3 years.

>>725590910
The last game that I remember them publishing was that giga-flop Indiana Jones game.

>>725602078
Bethesda probably didn't even touch it the update.
Was outsourced to Microshit Pajeets

>>725591421
Wayward realms will be better, its the only hope I have for this style of fantasy rpg.

>>725602148
Its going to be open world and a blend between the two. New LLM tech will be introduced for NPCs. Now the quests will never end.

However, it will have an always online mod to access the LLM NPCs thay will require packaged amounts of tokens, sold like microtransactions.

Large parts of the game, ie deserts, will be largely proc-gen'd. Im assuming much of this content is being scaled way back after the starfield disaster.

>>725594421
I can find joy in it for 10-20 hours every few months, but it really, really, REALLY works hard to remind me why I shouldn't and then I stop.

>>725602838
Id be missed, just leave it alone.
My game wont update so im good for that. The issue is, some mods are releasing on 1.5, others 1130, 1170 and then a new update!
Some stuff from 1.5 never came to the 11xx series, things from the 11xx series wont make it to the new update, somethings will only with with the new update.

This is an issue I have with bannerlord where there are several versions that modders make their stuff for, and some of them are working across multiple builds, others arent.

>>725607145
That's especially true for bethesda games anon. Any update breaks dll mods.

>>725603236
>ladders are just climbing animations
Thats not true im most games. You can control going up or down or stopping half way for a quick tugg if you want. An animation based climb would be all the way up or down where you lose control when you start the process.
>don't need great gameplay,
Its a game, the only point is to be fun

>>725601156
No, I don't. SSE was a straight upgrade

>>725605879
He's already there. He's in the code. You cant escape

>>725607142
There are 2,537 people playing this slop and gooning to these club NPCs right this minute. Think about that.

>>725588767 (OP)
>Bethesda devs if they weren't retarded incompetent idiots

>>725604919
>Microsoft
Why havent they stepped in a put a booting in Todd's ass to release something?

>>725607145
Depends on the game, but its generally believed that mods will be broken after large updates. If you mod weapon 1 and the update is just ai packages, youre good. If you go all out, like you do with bgs games, youre screwed

>>725590910
Microsoft is pushing big on every one of their subsidiaries to deliver a 30% profit margin or higher. doesn't matter how well their products are performing compared to other games, they're not performing well compared to other Microsoft products

most of this is likely to fund their AI push

>>725608012
>all mods are dll mods
retard
>>725608401
>the absolute wasn't absolute
no shit sherlock

>>725590820
99% of se mods worked within a month for ae retard and many wabbas moved to ae ver

>>725608528
>all mods are dll mods
You're the only one who made that statement. Unless you're a consolefag you're going to be using a ton of dll mods, updates will break those.

>>725607289
The problem was trying cash in on mods, it immediately split the fans. Then, nexus decided you can't control if your shit goes in a pack or not, this also divided fans and authors.

Both of these things hitting right around the time bgs launched starfield really gimped the scene from the start.

Other than that, there was left over drama in the modder circles from the fo4 days. Pair that with modders working on large projects like skyblivion and skywind, there wasnt much thay would work for starfield.

It doesn't help that starfield just sucked ass. Skyrim had a long history and a dedicated fan vase willing to deal with bgs game "features." A lot of of the fallout modders are crossed between TES and FO. There were no fans of starfield from the start.

On top of that, bgs certainly relied on modders to fill up the store with never ending content, and it never showed up

>>725607327
Procgen isnt necessarily bad, its just that only bothered adding like 20 things for the algo to pull from. Look at fo4 update, do you really think bgs is going to 180 starfield?

>all this talk about Elder Scrolls and Fallout
>not a SINGLE mention of Starfield
It fills me with glee to think of how little cultural impact that game truly had. Todd’s procedurally-generated design philo-slop-phy taken to its logical extreme, Emil’s Whedon-tier writing (fucking STARBORN), and all that early 20’s DEI pandering with black Russians and pronoun faggotry. All to result in a nothing game, forgotten by all, no players, no mods, no hope of an engoodening in sight. Finally, for the first time in a blue moon, a bad game WASN’T carried by its studio name, and was treated like the trash it truly is. It’ll be lucky to be mentioned as a mere footnote in Bethesda’s portfolio 10 years from now.

Go outside the sky is red

>>725596592
It's been 14 fucking years since Skyrim, not even lore autism can make me care anymore, we don't even have anything to discuss that hasn't already been discussed.

Elden Ring, BG3 and The Witcher all have better gameplay, better writing and are technically competent, fuck Elder Scrolls, it already lost all momentum.

>>725608528
>the absolute wasn't absolute
No one said this, you just made it up because you struggle with reading comprehension.

I can see where you got it from, but thats not what the other guy said

>>725608528
I remember SSE break LE weapons and armors mods too

>>725599808
A shame you have to play it in 640x360 to have a decent framerate LOL

>>725608846
Oh yeah, I have little hope for tes6 before really getting into modding skyrim. Now that ive built my own perfect list, I know thay tes6 will never be able to live up to that.

I believe it'll be an ok game that fissles out. I think they are going to try elden ring combat, and I really dont think they can pull it off.
The real problem here is that people are getting tired of souls combat already. Just like every release they have done, they are behind. They do this weird thing where they start production using what was popular two years prior, then develop for 5 years, and release

did the update add some optimization? I stopped playing because the nuka world dlc kept crashing the game every 15 min.
I probably wont ever go back but I just want to know if it's properly playable.

>>725608949
I do 2k and I cap 75fps. Shit, I swapped out to a 2070 for testing, individuals was over 25-30 fps running 2k.

Where does this bullshit come from? Learn how to optimize your mods, or in your case, learn how to mod

>>725609158
Even then*

>>725607289
I remember back when Todd announced the game would have thousands of proc-genned planets, and how anons speculated they would be made empty on-purpose, so that when modders came in, they would “colonize” each planet as their own, with each modder having an entire planet for which to craft their own 50-hour long questline in. Oh, how naive we were…

>>725589932
>he's got to show execs higher up the ladder at Microsoft that they're still doing something other than not releasing Elder Scrolls 6.
Makes perfect sense.

>>725608258
microshart is just as much to blame as bugthesda

>>725609283
And tes6 will have half bakes llm npcs to give you random quests based on ai hallucinations

>>725609569
I have a feeling that they have been "hands off" with bgs, hoping that less pressure would allow them to recreate a skyrim release

>>725608739
Yeah,
I know they won't do shit, especially with Microshit now in charge
Too many office politics, they are trying to drop entire Xbox division.

>>725607289
Bethesda misunderstood what the "Mods will fix it" mentality actually meant. When you fix something, you are not remaking it. Filling in the cracks, even if theyre big ones, is making what's already there be in better condition. Some will go way further than this but for most people, their mods do not majorly change the Skyrim that's underneath it. The game's built-in world, lore, mechanics, and quests stand well enough on their own that mods dont NEED to be more than additions to these. Starfield fails at all of those so horribly that there simply is no "Fixing" it. It's not a broken relic, it's just an old toiler sponge. The only way you're improving it is by turning it into the ship of theseus, and the simplest way to do so is throwing Starfield in the bin and putting Skyrim back on the table

>>725609910
That just means ps6 performance will ve terrible on tomorrow tes6. Im almost positive that game was designed around the idea of launching the next seggsbox while being exclusive to that console

I never get people who complain about updates breaking mods. It's so easy to stay on an older version or to downgrade to an older version. It's like wanting to go mountain climbing but complaining that you have to climb over a fence on the way. You're not gonna make it if something that simple is a roadblock for you

With Starfield setting/characters/quests etc is terrible,the charm isn't there.

Did they fix the debris bug yet

>>725610418
If you keep jabbing someone in the back of their shoulder, no matter how ripped they are it will get on their nerves and they will eventually yell at you if you dont stop

>>725610496
no and they never will

>>725608608
your comment about dll mods had no point any other way.
so you are either useless, or retarded.
you chose to bitch about being called on it, so you are retarded.

>>725608851
>anon cannot extrapolate meaning from words
>throws a fit over strings not matching
you have no choice, you are just retarded

>>725608884
that wasn't an update.
that was todd pretending he was releasing a different game.
which is why they have separate listings in steam.

so many fucking retards out there...

>>725610418
What did the updates provide that was worth breaking the mods?
Tearing down a city to move a road by a few inches tends to upset people.

>>725610506
>If you keep jabbing someone in the back of their shoulder,
I don't see how that's relevant. My modded Skyrim uses a 6 year old version. No one is jabbing me on the shoulder about it, it has sat there unperturbed. Countless updates have come and gone since then and countless updates I have ignored.

>>725611074
My point is that anyone who mods knows how easy it is to stay on an older version. This is not a problem to any modder, and if you're not a modder than it's hardly an issue.

>>725594645
Eventually, every wabbajack will require anniversary edition. Look at Skyrim SE.

>>725610998
>your comment about dll mods had no point any other way.
>so you are either useless, or retarded.
>you chose to bitch about being called on it, so you are retarded.
You said updates don't break mods, I told you the kind of mods updates break and now you're having a schizo moment. What are you trying to say anon?

>>725602078
>As of right now the game does not recognize the Automatron DLC
???

So what's the deal with these anniversary editions? He basically rereleases the GOTY edition, except adds some paid mods for consoletards (presumably)? I never bought the Skyrim one, but I did get Skyrim SE somehow

>>725591421
>Due to Emil’s writing, it will sound like a game written by someone who is 15
Not true because if it was written by a 15 year old you'd at least have cool shock and awe moments and women with huge jugs

>>725611493

Gee I fucking wonder why too anon.

>>725591421
This is what happens when you have bloated worthless female staff that needs decades to make a fucking video game.

>>725599254
>Have you seen how gorgeous people have modded Skyrim to be? Gamebryo can absolutely look beautiful
It will still have loading screens which is not okay in current year judging by the reception of Starfield

>>725592693
ultrawide always did work, but like most basic things, that shit is two lines in an INI file
and the HUD is broken absolutely everywhere, but game is still "playable"

I'm glad I don't try to play games in 4k kek 1080p is just fine when you use your card settings to upscale rendering.

>>725607142
This is a dark sexy night club according to Bethesda. Game is made by the biggest dorks in the entire world

>>725611943
Doesnt even have actual alien strippers, its like if a game made by furries used shitty fursuiters instead of actual anthros.

>>725607227
what mod gave her big tits?

>>725611251
I said that the statement of "updates always break mods" isn't true.

Congrats, you have proven to be so stupid you cannot even read.
>Pointing out your stupidity is schizo now
No, that is just you seething and coping over being a retard caught in a slap fight.

>what are you trying to say?
That you are a retard.
Which should have been super obvious by now.
Get someone capable of reading english to explain this post to you, slowly.

>>725611184
No, you had two points conjoined.
The first was that its very easy to lock what version you are on.

That is completely true and I completely agree.

But, the reality is that skyrim modding had become so casual that such knowledge is now esoteric.
It also may be unavailable entirely to console modders (and that statement is proof of my previous about casual modding)

Your second point was an analogy about hiking and fences.

I disagree with that.

Skyrim had been left alone for so long that an entire edifice of mods had been built and partially abandoned.
That is a lot of mods to fix, and many of those people are likely no longer active.
So now OTHER people have to get up and rebuild them.

>>725588767 (OP)
Based. Mod users are degenerates who can't beat games without cheating.
Also, the upgrade adds a ton of content and is actually worth the cost.

It's pretty simple; doing this is natural.
It's a natural (looking) way to throw a wrench in the modding machine, which yeah, brings in some hire from the fans, but in general isn't seen as negatively as some may think, and doing this, and stopping thousands of mods from working on the current version of the game, indirectly leads to more people using their mod store (whatever the fuck they call it in fallout, the club whatever the fuck)
This is basically the same thing that microsoft does in minecraft, you make sure that Java runs like shit and constantly add pointless meaningless updates that are just big enough to completely fuck over mods, while promoting greatly your other version of the game which has the integrated mod store, which ofc is officially supported and thus you're more likely to get what you want from there directly and it'll just work.

It's pretty smart for them to do this, it kinds of make sense in general.
>b-but the consumer
nigger, you're paying and playing a bethesda game (which is now microsoft owned), what the fuck are you whining about consumerism for

>>725613581
what bethesda wants to be able to do here is release games that are broken and charge for the fixes

>>725613581
This makes sense. There's no other way to explain their outright antagonism to mods

>>725591421
starfield gave me some hope
FINALLY the normalfag shiteaters are waking up, they can't keep getting away with this forever.

>>725611851
I thought they were hired modders, why can't they make them do this shit?

>>725609158
Learn how to take screenshots instead of talking down to other people, jesus christ

>>725613889
Yes, it's the best way to do it, because you don't want to outright remove the modding support; doing that would be batshit retarded considering the games are built precisely to be moddable, the entire reason they stuck with the creation engine is merely because it's moddable and they have a pretty 'ok' SDK that's ready for public use, removing 3rd party mods wouldn't work because, well, people would just hack their way in anyways, and it'd just antagonize them for not much, while simply dropping pointless updates bring all the positives for nearly no negatives, just some whining on twitter for a week or two if any.
It's not like microsoft doesn't understand that people see their games as broken messes and sees mods as 'fixes', there's a reason why they pushed so hard to allow for bethesda's paid mods to make their way to the consoles too (because it for sure as fuck must've been a huge pain in the ass having to deal with the legal aspect of it all, snoy and msoft's term of service legal teams are finnicky as fuck and bitch and moan about anything and everything even from highly trusted studios, so imagine a new platform that allows user made content), so yeah, good money for them, gotta make up that 8b$ one way or another, and I don't think starfield really did as well as they hoped.

Thank Fuck I played the shit out of it and was disappointed with the story/endgame that I've thoroughly killed any desire to play it ever again for the rest of my life.
Nice try Todd but it just ain't gonna happen

>>725610823
That was the only thing I wanted from them, sad

>>725614423
this, i put 200 hours into it and that was a single playthrough, embarassingly making it one of my top playtime games on steam, and i do not want to ever play it again.
i cannot think of a single thing that was fun enough to make me want to return to it. the story blows.
maybe in 15 years, but a recent fallout 3 playthrough taught me even that amount of time isn't long enough

>>725600686
Lol microsoft will have gone bankrupt by then, they'll be sold off to some chinese corp

>>725601054obsidian
Im thinking he's a very jealous dude, turned down obsidians offer to develop fallout and elder scrolls games a win win situation, think it stung him a little seeing new vegas so widely loved.

>>725615480
You're aware Microsoft is worth close to 4 trillion dollars and their video game division is a tiny afterthought to them in the grand scale, right?

>>725615668
A billion trillion mutt

>>725611241
The update is so shit nobody cares man.

>>725607142
how did any part of this game get approved through 20 layers of production?

>>725608750
that Star Wars Genesis modpack looks cool

>>725617625
this is so sad

>>725591596
tbf, I am a fool for not expecting bethesda to drop a completely useless, low effort update to a 10 year old game

>>725608739
>ts just that only bothered adding like 20 things for the algo to pull from.
There are a confirmed 270+ POIs, and POI variants, Starfield uses in its proc gen system.

>>725611943
The club wasn't made to be "sexy"

>>725601494
>and it has even less unique content than usual
There's actually more handcrafted content in Starfield then skyrim or Fo4.

>>725601010
>Stop and make a new engine or update gamebryo significantly
They did thatafter Fallout 3, hence creation. They did it again after Fallout 4, hence Creation 2.

>One that can handle ladders and vehicles without a loading screen.
You've never even looked at Starfield have you?

>>725591847
>play a Bethesda game without mods
lmao you literally have to mod Bethesda games to get them to run properly

>>725595962
Because the whole point of Steam was to automate these processes. People pay so that they don't have to bother with keeping backups for their saves, screenshots, game settings, mod subscriptions through the workshop. People who have to manage a work, a child, a pet, don't want to spend even 1 minute micromanaging a software that a portion of its price is to maintain the software's stability. Every time I would have to format my pc, upgrade it or move away with a laptop for a few weeks, I will have 10 other things to prepare for. The last thing I'd want to add to my chores is to babysit Todd's incompetency and greed.

I can't comprehend why the games take so fucking long these days. Entrie console generations take less time than a single AAA game development these days. Whatever they started at the beginning of this gen should be made with PS6 in mind.

In the 7th gen we got 2 entirely new TES games, 1 entirely new Fallout and 1 standalone expansion like Fallout "spin off" by different studio

>>725600039
why in the fuck would anyone use steam for tes modding in the first place? that sounds incredibly masochistic

>>725600949
MS is notoriously bad with how they make their devs actually do something.
With MS it's either
>IP rots and never gets used
>Dogshit dev team is allowed to ruin something for way too long (e.g. Halo)
>Devs spend years fucking around and never make a game

Works for me

>>725608846
>witcher
>better anything
LMAO

>>725599254
>Bethesda now employs a ton of shitjeets, that's why Starfield ended up the way it is
You are dumbfuck. Slopfield was the most polished game Bethesda ever released. And outsource jeets only work on menial shit like random junk models. All it's issues stem from incompetent dogshit game design decisions from senior management aka Todd and emil.

>>725611520
You are thinking about 15 year old millenial or gen X. For zoomers all these things are now problematic and sexist. Imagine a pearl clutching boomer mom in constant moral panic and multiply it by internet brainrot and you'll get modern 15 year old's writing.

>>725607142
Todd really creamed his pants over this?

>>725588767 (OP)
Doing counterproductive shit so they look like they're coordinating something with the TV show to Microsoft managers

>>725598515
>cpp.cpp

I know this is just a shitting on Bethesda thread but can I get some more Todd edits while we're at it?

>>725621919
>The club wasn't made to be "sexy"
dumb fucking nerd lmfao

>Intentionally break mods
>All so he can sell more "Creation" bullshit
No thanks, Todd.

>>725624238
Giving computers to normalfags was a mistake

>>725588767 (OP)
It's on purpose, they are planning on breaking mods every 6 months from now, while yes they want to scam you with creationshit, they actually want to move modders to upcoming Bethesda games, internally they Blame starfield flop on modders.

>>725627467
Aren't most 15 year olds at the moment rejecting woke shit? Generation Alpha started at 2010.

>>725627830
You are complaining about normalfags in a thread about Fallout 4 and Skyrim. You are beyond repair.

Damn look at all those paying customers being fucked in the ass. Thankfully I pirated the game so I own it and it's files are free of harassment.

>>725595702
>BGS
Literally no one calls it that

>>725628629
Incorrect. He does. So the "literally no one" doesn't apply here, illiterate thirdie.

>>725592693
Todd took the satanic magic circle (his company logo is the moon) the satanic government is repolarizing rn so Todd who are living babies with BBQ sauce is cut off and starving

>>725624238
I genuinely cannot tell if you're an actual retard. It takes 5 clicks to disable automatic updates on Steam. You are making a conscious decision to use mods in your game, are you truly so fucking lazy that you can't spend 5secs making sure the game doesn't update without your approval?

>>725629231
If they stopped updating Skyrim 10 years ago, then all the mods would sooner or later be updated and be compatible with one another. Now that we have 3 Skyrims over the last decade, some mods that were made during the first edition, aren't compatible with the special edition or the anniversary edition. The opposite also happens with recent mods that aren't being made with the older versions in mind and they are only made for the anniversary edition. This whole tactic splits the mod pool and the community into multiple pieces and every time someone wants to try a new mod, they first have to check on which version the mod works at first and then look for compatibility issues with other mods.
Sure, if you had an old modlist that worked for you fine 10 years ago and you disabled updates, it will still work today. But you are locked in this version and you have to scream sour grapes at every new mod that asks for an updated version because the zoomer modder won't bother making his mod compatible with every new and old Skyrim version Todd makes up.

>>725628134
> Bethesda is mad modders didn't save Starfield.
Modders are the most delusional people on the planet. Modders need Bethesda more than Bethesda needs modders.

>>725630479
Not necessarily, some mods made in the first year or two might not have been updated. That was the case with Fallout 4, a lot of the early, popular mods are broken messes that would brick your save. People also make alternatives to old mods that do something similar or the same, whilst also being more optimised. It does fracture the modding scene though, especially when it's done by a worthless update like the Anniversary Editions, instead of a significant improvement like Special Edition. Still, there is zero reason to have automatic updates enabled when modding a Bethesda.

>>725628629
Bethesda games studios? Plenty of people say that

>>725611241
pretty based post

>>725611241
I hope ice starts deporting furries next, they have illegal immigrated here from hell

>>725605303
which ones which

>>725588767 (OP)
the anniversary edition was announced in 2022
2 years later, the fallout show came out and they had to capitalize on its success
unfortunately, it turned out they didn't work on fallout 4 at all, not even a little bit, so they just chucked in barely a handful of cash shop mods, broke everything and called it a day
fallout season 2 is about to come out, and yet again; they have to capitalize on its success
turns out they learnt absolutely nothing from last time and have not worked on the fallout 4 anniversary edition at all, so they do the exact same thing as last time
people should REALLY be calling out bethesda more, i'm pretty sure the company at this point is dead and it's just several dozen nepotism boomers sitting on their thumbs. i wouldn't be surprised if TES6 exists whatsoever outside of the conceptual phase, i don't think they're doing any work at all

>>725591421
It's not coming out before 2030 earliest anon, shit ain't even being worked on

>>725622127
as switch owners deserve

>>725630537
Arguable
I would have never bought a single bethesda game if I hadn't been lured in by the modding
Same thing with games like Half Life

>>725635973
this is a worldwide problem across all industries. zero accountability. always enough braindead consumers to justify your total lack of accountability. and if even that fails and the braindead avoid your product, you cry foul and get a bailout from whichever country is currently making the mistake of subsidizing you.

nobody has any real reason to make a good product anymore, the failsafes and safety nets are actively getting in the way of it now.

>>725591421
>look like a game from 2015
That'd be nice, especially if it ran that well.

>why isn't bethesda more considerate of my 3rd party sex mods and dark souls combat mods made by a sweaty estonian
Absolute retards

>>725637042
i look like that
i say that

>>725635973
>people should REALLY be calling out bethesda more, i'm pretty sure the company at this point is dead and it's just several dozen nepotism boomers sitting on their thumbs. i wouldn't be surprised if TES6 exists whatsoever outside of the conceptual phase, i don't think they're doing any work at all
Yeah, it's just been 14 fucking years and it doesn't seem like TES6 is any time soon or even being made at all. The series is effectively dead. Reminder arena was '94, skyrim '11 and it's '25 and it's going to be years before 6, you do the math.
And it's not like bethesda was busy putting out bangers in the meantime. The games are woefully outdated and at best tolerable because not much else is competing for that kind of game.

>>725637042
This but ironically.

Todd was a mistake. The series should've remained in the hands of Petersen and LeFay.

>>725637042
I mean, modding is like 80% of the appeal of those games and they should have known.

>>725637042
Skyrim is unplayable without mods. I've never played F4 but I assume it's the same case.

>>725588767 (OP)
>There are still retards who genuinely think Fallout 4 is good
>They still tism about the game, mod it to hell, pretend it is comparable to Skyrim
>Even people who shit on the game give it way more attention than it deserves, like americankrogan with his gay ass mod
>Todd himself decides to break their shit game to remind them to go play Starfield and buy another Skyrim copy
I... I get it know. He truly is a chad, how couldn't I realize? Long live Todd.

>>725640942
If you assume everyone playing Skyrim on steam is playing a modded version that accounts for 1/10th of 1% of everyone who purchased Skyrim.

Tell me again how mods are important?

>>725640942
You're a hyperbolic bitch
>>725640490
>they should have known
But why should they care? They don't owe you third party game modification functionality.
If I sell you a can of paint, and you dump plaster into it that you got from a guy down the street, don't come crying to me when it peels off the fucking wall.
>b-b-but it worked until THEY updated it
So don't allow your game to update. Are you ignorant of how games work nowadays? They get updates.
>but its OLD
When has that ever stopped bethesda?
You're all whining about a problem you have equal contribution to causing. You modified the game. You should know that mods often break when games update. That's some 101 shit.
They owe you the game they made, not the functionality of whatever stupid shit that YOU glommed onto it.
Maybe don't be stupid enough to play FO4.

>>725611242
We got SE for free. There's a reason most mods don't require Skyrim Anniversary or F4 next-gen

>>725635280
>they have illegal immigrated here from hell

>>725642693
>There's a reason most mods don't require Skyrim Anniversary or F4 next-gen
Every wabbajack requires Skyrim Anniversary.

>>725607227
The CITIZEN label always gets me.

>>725588767 (OP)
Honestly i dont even care abou TES 6 anymore.
I gave up on Bethesda after Fallout 4 and im glad Starfield made even normalfags wake up to how bad they actually are at developing games

>>725594645
>stupid enough to not set your file path to Read Only.
How would I do this? I have it set to update only when I play because I don't know how to stop updates all together.

>>725629231
>I genuinely cannot tell if you're an actual retard. It takes 5 clicks to disable automatic updates on Steam
You as well do you have an answer please?
>>725644150

>>725590910
Have they released a game that did well recently?
All I know of is
>Dishonored sequel with black chick which flopped
>New doom which did shit and was considered bad
>indiana jones which flopped
>starfield apparently did well, but not es or fallout well and next to no dlc due to backlash and poor reception
It's just failure after failure, and microsoft paid good money for them.
Only thing that might have done well is ironically the fallout t.v show.

>>725637042
>>725640490
>>725642423
This conversation is completely disingenuous because the new patch has introduced a "first party" modding system that does not work
As of today you can

>boot up Fallout 4
>go into the fancy new Fallout 4 Creations Menu
>see a Creation that tickles your fancy
>click install
>be told you can't install it because it requires Automatron/Nuka-World/Far Harbor (which you have installed, but the game currently does not recognize)

Bethesda launched a new ingame storefront with hundreds of curated Creations and virtually none of them work right now
Surely they should have been aware of this before they published it

>>725644438
"Modders will fix it" - Hodd Toward.

>>725644542
It's not even Todd's own mantra, it has been the general apologist retard slogan for years. Egg chicken here is clear.

>>725588767 (OP)
Todd wishes Fallout was Bethesda's flagship series instead of TES.

>>725644656
Oh I know he didn't start it, but you know damn well that's what everyone at that company thinks.

>>725644769
I hate Todd so much. He's hijacked two IPs I actually like. TES doesn't belong to him and neither does Fallout.

>>725644937
Correct. They both belong to Microsoft now.

>>725591596
This, I don’t get it at all. It’s not even a Bethesda thing. It happens in every fucking game with modding or plugins. They get broken with updates. It’s what happens.

>>725644384
the oblivion remaster had to be decently profitable for them since the effort and money that went into it was minimal. the fallout 3 remaster will be a similar lifeline to keep Microsoft off their back until ES6

>>725642843
anniversary update comes with SE for free dumb fuck, its the bloated contentslop that you pay for

>>725644150
>>725644259
Please answer doko please....

>>725645590
ohh right, I completely forgot about oblivion remaster.

>>725595962
>Why don't people actively fight against Steam's core features that it's designed to not let you bypass

I

The primary reason modders gave Starfield a hard time was that they refused to give up their existing modscape. From a business perspective, doing "mod resets" every few years is a sound choice.

People will argue that the game is shit, but it's just Fallout 4 with improvements, and that shit still floats 20k daily players on Steam alone. Fallout 4 and Skyrim having decades of modscaping is what ended the game. And well, console-warring because it wasn't on Playstation, but I'm talking about the PC release.

>>725588767 (OP)
>breaks mods
This is why I hate modern games.
Decade or more passes and they are still not finished, still updating and breaking shit.
It's why you should also use DRM free copies or pirate and have installer and mods backed up.

>>725654559
Let's be real here, this update was in no way intended to improve the game. It's a thoroughly jewish attempt and fleecing the cattle that will take interest in it after the slopflix prime series airs.

>>725601010
>gamebryo
It is an old and outdated engine but the truth is most of the bugs are the fault of Bethesda and not the engine itself. Especially back when it was viable during the fallout 3 and new Vegas days.

Other studios that used the engines produced games that were far more bug free than what Bethesda has put out.

>>725654847
That too, but regardless of intent, it just makes not care about new releases, because I know that they will still be working on it for years.

>>725588767 (OP)
he really really hated coomers
also he's devote christian
that's all

>>725588767 (OP)
>FO4 is 10 years old at this point
Holy shit.

>>725589932
Sounds like a miserable existence. Why did they sold themselves out? Could've stayed private.

>>725657656
You know how it goes, they get a taste of riches and decide that money is the only single thing that matters to them anymore. This has happened to nearly every game studio in existence that made it big at some point in their life.

>>725588767 (OP)
>WHY WON'T YOU LITTLE SHITS BUY OUR PAID MODS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The creation club has to be one of the biggest bait and switch things ever. Initially mods were simply a means for players to expand the game they loved, and improve sales in the long-term; but now Microslop are nickle and jewing everyone by trying to shepherd people into buying creations (which they take a 70% cut from, despite doing literally nothing) and even by being actively hostile to regular modders.

Fucking big nosed, kike bastards.

>>725660231
Early on you are correct. Once Kinggath came on board the calculus changed.
The bar has been raised.

>>725600474
>Gamebryo is limiting Bethesda. It has been for a decade now.
what i am afraid of is the oblivion remaster being their test run for UE5 and TES6 has been completely scrapped once over at least to redo everything in unreal engine or that fucking monstrous amalgamation of the two sitting on top of each other again so that bethesda can cuck the modding scene and you can get your "premium" TES6 mods for $1.99 ea straight from todd.

>>725588767 (OP)
Reminder that Bethesda games are not modder friendly. Just because a game has a lot of mods that does not make it mod friendly. And just because a game makes itself moddable and provides an editor that doesn't mean it's mod friendly either. Built in modding support makes it moddable but that's actually a different issue to being 'friendly to modders.' And ultra popular video games like Nintendo games, Capcom games, and the GTA series have massive modding communities despite being actively anti-modding.
They are highly moddable but not mod friendly. Which is ironic because they definitely count on their modding community to sell their games for them.
Mod friendly games include Minecraft, The Sims, and Paradox autism painting simulators. Here is an example of baseline practices to actually be friendly to modders. Again, different from being simply moddable, about about being modder friendly:
>They give a notice that an update is coming and inform of what is being changed with the update.
>They allow you to opt-out of updates and they host older versions of the game and openly and easily allow mod users to roll back their game to an older version whenever they want.
>They allow separate instances within the game's installation so you can keep an untouched "vanilla" version + have multiple separated modded versions of the games at once.

>>725665709
And everyone who has only ever done 'serious modding' with just TES games (meaning you do a lot more than install a fixer/restoration mod for retro games), you need to know this.
The community of modders and the rules and customs they had created for modding Bethesda games are uniquely awful. All the shit about the website itself enforcing no competition for certain mods, a modder being able to throw a bitchfit about someone else making patches for their mods, modders being able to ban you from seeing and downloading their mods, and modders forbidding their mods being added to other mods or included in collections, does not exist for games outside of Bethesda games and Nexusmods. Nexusmods and their way of doing things is seen as a cancer by every other modding community ever.
The Sim's modding community that has at least two different competing major modding websites, and has a majority of their population consisting of teenage girls and stay at home wives (yes, really) allow modding of mods, combining of mods, cloning and forking of mods. and straight up combining smaller mods into a bigger mega mod, is just normal. They do have stupid drama shit but you need to understand that the horrific totalitarian practices set and enforced by assbuger cunty NEETs like Arthmoor and friends is consider the black sheep of any video game modding community ever.

By both how Bethesda treats the modding support of their games, and how Nexus Mod handles the TES modding community, is uniquely awful and abnormal in how video game modding scenes are supposed to be.

>>725666116
This kind of modding drama is not totally unique to TES, but I think in most communities those kinds of individuals eventually have a meltdown and get kicked out or they are big enough that one clique can't control the whole ecosystem even if someone throws a fit about some ridiculous non-compete shit.
I'd say that centralized distribution of mods is the problem but it doesn't seem to be an issue for most other games. This is where TES is somewhat unique I guess in how close the admins are with modders and take upon themselves to enable them and curate the mods in their favour.

I think Todd thought regurgitated Skyrim over and over was free money but in the long run it just hurts him. I can't believe any profitability in getting Skyrim on the Switch was worth it and now people are at the gates asking where's TES. Todd shoulda just made TES6 instead of flogging the dead corpse of Skyrim.

I wonder if Bethesda had any Fallout spinoffs in the works. The show is too big for them to wait until 2037 for the next game.