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>>725676505 (OP)
Trackpads ruin it.

>>725676505 (OP)
Now post the price.

>>725676505 (OP)
I'm just glad the entire world is now forced to accept the fact that symmetrical controllers are superior (Gaben agreed, don't ask him about it)

>>725676505 (OP)
The definitive PC controller already exists

>>725676505 (OP)
I refuse to believe people actually like this design and arent on a payroll

>>725676716
>He doesn't know

>>725676716
>>725677198
I wasn't convinced of the first Steam controller either.
Then I bought them when they were on sale for like $5 and it's really good

Honestly my 8bitdo Ultimate got beat the fuck up by a roaming kitten and my Gamesir G7 SE doesn't have enough heft to it. SC2 seems interesting enough to probably be my next controller if the reviews are good, especially since I'm looking to start going back into PC gaming more than console.

>>725676505 (OP)
Steamdeck niggers is it true that the pad makes even mouse reliant games playable?

>>725677464
i have no idea how good the deck trackpads are since i don't own it. that said the pads on the og steam controller made mouse games playable yes.

>>725677273
Well I mean for 5 dollars who gives a fuck
But I'm still not paying for a controller thats 50% trackpad

>>725676716
Then don't fucking use them. You control which buttons you press.

>>725677159
>no gyro
>no trackpads
>no back buttons
>definitive
Kek

>>725677198
I agree it looks like shit, but genuinely does that matter? You'll be looking at the game all the time anyway. What matters is features, inputs and comfort, and this excels in all three.

>>725676505 (OP)
desu 60 dollars or less im getting this on launch day
70 maybe but over 70 is a no thanks for me

>>725677198

On its own it would be terrible, but with steam input it is godlike.

>>725677159
>Mogged by DS and Switch Pro
"No!"

>>725676505 (OP)
Can we finally get a modern controller with a good dpad?

>>725677464
yes. once you get autistic with learning the fine grain mapping utilities and radial menus and spend enough time making control schemes for games it makes even autistic RTS/grand strategy games more than playable on the controller. this is why im buying this day one. they are probably the best thing about the steam deck

>>725677464
i play kenshi on my 'eck
so yes

>>725677586
>>725677962
>>725677972
My living room inhouse streaming setup is about to be completed then

>pick up a playstation controller
>realize the trackpads on the steam controller are basically nonintrusive since it's really just your thumbs angling down, this thing fits the general controller profile well otherwise
folks are kneejerking at the trackpads, but really, your fingers are gonna be resting on the back paddles anyway. the biggest concern is the weight.

>>725677962

I too enjoy having 20 inputs on one track pad

>>725676505 (OP)
>dual lower sticks

>>725678137
radial & nested menus aren't hard to understand, merely annoying to set up

>>725678241
SymmetrySCHOLARS win again.

>>725677198
It doesn't look pretty but who gives a fuck? What actually matters is that it makes no compromises like the original one so you can use it for everything.

>>725677953
Why are Dpads such a lost art? Why is everything mushy, fucking up diagonals, and generally just not good for precision whatsoever?

I've used trackpads like once on the Steamdeck for games. They're largely useless outside of navigating desktop mode.

Playstation controller up top, PC controller down below, absolute perfection

>>725677953
8bitdo Pro 3 and Ultimate 2 (specifically 2,not 2C etc) have dome switch dpads

>>725678047
yep having your gaming PC setup so you can stream all your PC titles locally with moonlight to your TV is probably the most patrician setup possible. the steam controller will be the cherry on top of that setup

>>725678137
>t. never used the radial menus

>>725678497
>Makes no compromises
>Besides half the surface being a trackpad

>>725676716
You don't even know what you're talking about. You've never used a steam deck, those trackpads are a godsend.

>>725678760
Where else are you going to put the trackpads?

>>725677464
I can play roguelikes like cataclysm dark days ahead on these things thanks to radial menus

>>725678817
Nowhere. Fuck your gay ass meme.

>>725678694
Moonlight and sunshine is so fucking good these mouthbreathers never believe me when I tell them inhouse streaming is the most impressive tech we got in the last decade.
Crisp 4k 60 with HDR, no cables just a fucking app on my TV.

>>725678817
I wouldnt add a trackpad in the first place

>>725676505 (OP)
>Gaben approves symmetrical controllers
MS lost AGAIN

>>725678912
But what if I don't want a controller that's a complete toy?

>>725678251

nah I prefer the pad method, it's more intuitive for fast paced action

I feel like all the haters are people that never held a steam deck
the steam deck looks retarded but it is the best controller ive ever held until this comes out

>>725678998
Then you would be using a Series X controller or a Switch pro

>>725678694

Oh I used them, I just don't like them, I prefer the pad method.

>>725678998
You use a mouse and keyboard like a normal adult

>>725679059
You can stop shilling your no gaems deck. It already flopped.

>>725678870
>>725678912
Then why the fuck are you even here? The whole point of the steam controller is that it plays your whole steam library, something that no other controller does because it's only possible with trackpads or similar mouse-like inputs.

>>725676716
>t. never used a steam deck

>>725679059
you can tell by all the retard poorfags from the whining about trackpads and shilling xbox controllers

>>725679193
i want to sit on my comfy couch after a long day not sit up at computer

>>725679207

>Sold more units than all of their competition combined
>flopped

You are retarded

Fuck it, I bought that piece of shit Xbox Elite controller, can't be any worse than that

>>725679207
>no gaems
its literally just a PC or are you literally retarded and judging by its verified list or list of AAAs made in the last year it can run on max settings

>>725679116
Why would I want a controller with less features than the steam one?

>>725676505 (OP)
It looks so low quality

>>725679442
lmao noone forced you to buy that you consoomer

>>725676505 (OP)
Not with that god-awful d-pad

>>725679217
I here to laugh at PC vegans getting excited for a console
>>725679385
>sold 150 million less units than Sw1
Flopped. Shitted even.

>>725677876
>DS
Lol no, this is way better than the piece of shit the dual sense is.

>>725676505 (OP)
d-pad looks slippery. Need something tactile man why they stamp out that cheap ass d-pad like that.

>>725678912
valve got you covered bro

>>725679481
Because the sticks are in the correct positions and it doesn't have gay ass useless track pads in the way.

>>725679571
Start spamming about Eric and save us all time on having to take you seriously

>>725678912
You've never used steam input or played with a steam deck. The moment you set up a radial menu or flickstick+gyro/mouselook+gyro to make m&kb pc games playable on a gamepad is when trackpadless and gyroless controllers become a joke to you.

You'll keep arguing against trackpads like a woman cause you're compelled to always be right. But once you get your hands on one, you'll learn to shut your whore mouth.

>>725676505 (OP)
analog sticks ruin it, period

>>725679527
No shit, brainiac, I didn't know it was gonna be a broken piece of shit when I bought it

>>725677953
What do you mean, the last Xbox gamepad has the perfect d-pad.

>>725676505 (OP)
I'm concerned that maining trackpad might be uncomfortable long term
When you pick up the OG Steam Controller, your both thumbs are placed naturally on the trackpads
With this one you have to always adjust and reach out to use them, which is a net negative in a game like Monster Hunter where you have set the right trackpad to act as camera

>>725679692
Meds schizo

>>725677594
Cool, then don't?

>>725676505 (OP)
>symmetrical sticks
into the trash

>>725676505 (OP)
I buy it. Sad thing Steam Deck still not sold officially in Huezil, so I will have to pay 50-100% more

>>725676505 (OP)
Who the fuck would buy this trash?

>>725679618
I meant the DS from Nintender

>>725676505 (OP)
Doesn't look very comfortable

>>725679750
my bad baby give uncle gaben a kiss and spend it on me next time oaky?

>>725676505 (OP)
the only good thing about this tryhard abomination is that hopefully will push all first parties to finally put tmr sticks on their fucking controllers.

>>725679719
ya I'd just use a mouse for that. Spending time to configure a hardcore PC game for a gamepad is absurd and something only a console tard would dream about. Maybe that's you lol

>>725676716
for you

>>725679848
You lost, xtranny

>>725679661
>It's useless because I'm used to lobotomized console shitware that strips away any need for precision with aim assist niggerware

>>725679779
We already established that nigga
Keep up

Do you fucking retards actually plan on playing PC games designed for a mouse and keyboard with those stupid thump touch pads on that controller? Games like Dota would literally be impossible. I don't understand why you'd subject yourself to that. You'll be slow as fuck and you'll lose every time.

I don't even like playing FPS gameswith a controller. It sucked and was slow in goldeneye on the N64 and has never gotten better. Use a keyboard and mouse you dumb fucks.

>>725679904
Stop deepthroating a billion dollar corporation, dumbfuck PC vegan

>>725679885
I meant the Nintendo DualSense you faggot.

>>725679891
People said the same with the Steam Deck. turns out it feels way better to hold than it looks
Plus the deck is way heavier

>>725679915
you argue like a woman

>>725676505 (OP)
This controller has gyro?

>>725679968
Still not buying it

>>725679968
I play exclusively with controllers on PC these days with autoaim turned off in every single game. you're a disingenuous piece of shit.

>>725678525
You just haven't gotten used to them. Once you learn to aim with them, even sticks and gyro feel like shit, not to mention pure sticks. They're also really fucking useful for touch menus in games with tons of actions.

>>725677159
>dogshit vibration motors
>resistive sticks
it's complete garbage.

>>725680023
Why are you bringing up Nintendo?

>>725680113
Check the Steam page

>>725676505 (OP)
I'm selling my dualsesnse the moment I get this one. Fuck sony and their shitty, drifting sticks and sticking buttons.

>>725679985
im not gonna play completive multiplayer games but theres a ton of games that im just not in the mood to play sitting up at my PC. gaming on comfy couch after a long day is superior way to unwind

>>725680023
poor fag seethe

>>725680341
Why are you deepthroating Gabens cock?

>>725680112
Stay off PC console faggot

>>725676505 (OP)
>spastic left stick position
bleh

>>725680389
Nah

>>725679885
You clearly meant the SIXASUS from Nintendo

>>725680113
Nope. They got rid of the most popular feature on the SC1 and Deck purely to piss you off.

>>725679970
We haven't, you might have

>>725680264
>They're also really fucking useful for touch menus in games with tons of actions.
This is what I use them for. The real hero is Valve's user database for game specific steam deck control profiles. I rarely ever have to program inputs myself.

>>725680113
It's has everything. It's the definitive experience on PC now. This thing will sell 100 millions easily

>>725680463
My man you bought a locked down toy that can only use preapproved software and can get bricked for doing no no things
You're a cuck to your own hardware and you have to kiss the ring to use it

>>725680785
ESL

How much was the first Steam controller when it launched?

Make sure you're ready when they announce release day this thing will sell out quick and you'll be stuck on the wait list.

>>725680873
$50

>>725680845
Yeah I prefer my consoles to be locked down. You can keep crying tho

>>725680873
$50.

>>725681031
Yes, you're a caged little cuck and your attempts at projecting your submission are failing
Glad we got that sorted

>>725680873
>>725681065
Thanks. My guess is this will probably be $79.99.

>>725681158
Sure.

>>725676505 (OP)
ENTER: GAMESAAR G7SE

>autism controller ver. 2
sign me the fuck in

>>725681239
>defaults to the Eric spamming tendie responses
Tendies are a legitimate hive mind lmao

>>725677464
most games it's great but but if you use mouse on first person or over the shoulder games that require a little precision it kind of sucks. but maybe you could get used to it.

>>725681167
ya theres no way this thing is gonna be less than a DS5 with trackpads, a magnetic charging dongle, gyro and haptic

i dont care if it means i can have my autistic trackpads

>>725681352
You'll survive.

>>725676505 (OP)
meh, rather than having 3 different variations on the same input device (d-pad, joypad, touchpad)
just make it so you can swap out the needed input for the game at hand

>TMR sticks
Yep, it won.

It looks awful, they should've just switched the right thumb stick for a trackpad and call it a day, it doesn't need a left trackpad and right sticks are only used for camera controls anyways so a trackpad is good enough even for non shooter games

>>725677159
Only good post in this thread
xbox controllers have been carrying for years

I love how everyone has such huge opinions while nobody here has had the thing in his hands yet. It looks really different compared to all the other controllers and I cannot even imagine how it will handle. You guys are retards.

>left stick shoved below dpad
>left track pad
>horrible design
>looks like cheap plastic
It's might sell to all 20 people who got suckered into buying gabes tablet

>>725676505 (OP)
>No dual stage triggers
SO close to perfection.

>>725681942
Marketing team is going all out today

As someone who hasn't experienced trackpads yet, what are they like, what are they used for and how do they make controller gaming better?

>>725676505 (OP)
mfw steam gives me a controller that causes cramps after 1 hour of gaming
thanks gabe

>>725676505 (OP)
sticks positioning is retarded

>another fat controller
miss me with that shit

show me how a 6'1 male with large hands is supposed to hold this shit comfortably

>>725681942
Shill harder, corpo cuck

You anons think this will be more than 79.99? I dont know if I'm willing to spend 100 on a controller.

>>725682165
how big is your penis

>>725681872
Forcing trackpad use was the biggest flaw of the first one. Nah it's good this has standard controls this time.

>>725682290
it's average
thanks for asking

>>725676505 (OP)
I'm really hopeful that it turns out good. My XBone controller is showing its age and I've been putting off getting something with USB-C because I'm warry of third-party and I don't really want a DualSense.

>itt jobless anons think they know better than a billion dollar company with the brightest minds around
kek. everytime.

It's fucked to me how even fucking Nintendo lost the technology to make a good dpad. How is that even possible?

I wish extra buttons on the back would be standard. games are too simple and dumbed down on controller usually

>>725682106
it's a mouse

>>725681942
It has standard symmetrical stick controller design with two track pads under it. You can't imagine how it will handle? lol

>>725676505 (OP)
I dunno about that
>>725677159
I think the xbone controller is better

>>725682392
>not only am I sitting on gabens cock, I'm bouncing up and down

>>725681942
all these people bitching have never used a steam deck, all the whining about stick placement and touchpads goes away once you realize the massive capability of this+steams controller UI to play literally anything comfortably

>>725682106
the trackpads are really just tiny laptop trackpads, nothing special, but paired with the haptic and pressure sensitivity and steams extremely powerful controller mapping tool you have literally infinite possibilities to utilize them to play games without strong console controls. if you are willing to sit there and build a good mapping for a game then it really pays off.

Based Gaben indeed. I do kinda wish they'd make an Elite / Edge style version though; I'd easily pay more if the hardware was worth it. Im a little skeptical of the stick positions vs the track pads and that its symmetrical vs asymmetrical but it should be fine. Its kind a like how the DualSense is the most comfortable symmetrical controller around even for Xbox-style asymmetrical users - but it comes down to getting the layout perfect.

>>725677159
They can't even get gyro working even with the new goddamn GameInput standard. Microsoft has pisssed away their entire Xbox360 / XBOne lead on peripherals!

>>725676505 (OP)
>good button placement out of the box
>actual quality analog sticks that won't drift
>dpad seems fine
The only thing that worries me is the ergonomy due to trackpads everything else seems great

>>725682392
same great minds that brought us Artifact

>>725677198
It's a matter of function over form. You can't jam all that shit onto a controller and make it look good, but I'd rather have it than not.

why does valve love putting the d-pad right on the edge. damn man move it a little in

>>725682362
Really?
Mines still great
Just bought a bunch of replacement sticks in the right colours

>>725676505 (OP)
Can I use it on my Switch???

>>725682561
The great thing Valve should have learned from Steam Controller 1 is that you absolutely cannot fuck up the expected pick up and play capability of the masses to cater to the handful of autists who will spend forever learning new input to play a RTS that expects KB/M or whatever the fuck with a controller.

This has to be the best of both worlds so by default its instantly viable for every gamepad usage while also being able to do all the custom autist shit. They've spent years building SteamInput and drivers to make sure that happens on the software side, they just have to get the hardware right now replicating what made the Deck viable and it looks like they have but we'll see

>>725676505 (OP)
>walk right while looking left
>thumbs touch

>>725682730
>function over form
>on a controller where form is important

>>725677159
These things now break in like 3 months if you're unlucky.

>>725676716
trvke

>>725682462
Blind retard

>>725682106
Anything that you usually use a mouse for is still better with a mouse. For something like a deck, they turn a horrible experience into just a terrible one. I wouldnt play a rts or other mouse heavy game with them. They are passable for tactics/rpgs.

>>725682126
>t. manlytears

>>725682936
its over...

>>725682949
i guarantee they will be like the steam deck where the thumbsticks are an entirely separate PCB that can be swapped out with 2-3 screws. hell you can even do that with the trackpads

people can bitch about valve but they make repairability a thing unlike kiked sony and microsoft

>>725681872
>it doesn't need a left trackpad
The left trackpad is great for using as a touch menu.
>right sticks are only used for camera controls anyways so a trackpad is good enough even for non shooter games
Eh, might be that I'm just used to it, but I prefer a stick + gyro over a trackpad. I don't see any reason to get rid of it. It'll be comfortable as hell anyway.

>>725682825
Mine could absolutely be maintained, but I don't love the controller in the first place so I'd rather not put money and effort into it. It definitely needs to sticks, one of the triggers is a little sticky, and on the software side the bluetooth has always given me issue -- but I don't know if that's the controller or a Windows problem. I usually use it wired anyway, but the connection kind of sucks.
I also like symmetrical sticks because I was a PS1&2 enjoyer, and I get more out of that orientation with emulating, too.

>>725676505 (OP)
It's just a shitty dualsense with the trackpad moved down.

>>725682947
it doesn't impact comfort. if you've ever held a steam deck you'd know that

>>725681942
It's shaped basically the exact same as the Steam Deck, so anyone who's ever held that knows how it'll feel.

>>725676505 (OP)
God damn this looks like shit

>>725678241
It's the ergonomically superior position for analog sticks (unless you have subhuman monkey paws for hands)

>>725682561
>if you are willing to sit there and build a good mapping for a game
Hell, you don't even need to do that most of the time. Most games have a community autist or two who've already made an optimal layout for it that you can just download.

>>725682114
>a controller that causes cramps after 1 hour of gaming
What are you basing that on?

>>725683538
No I have normal hands and the left stick goes up top. I can prove this by simply looking at my hand.

>>725676505 (OP)
Is their marketing for the Steam Machine being for the living room and use with the new controller, are they implying that majority of steam games wont have to have a keyboard to do any commands? Make them 100% compatible with the controller?

>>725676716
Faggot

>>725676716
Even if you actually thought this, why would you care? There's a million different controllers that are all good enough quality that are the standard layout, why do you annoying fucking faggots feel the need to suggest that this one should've been the same as every other controller on the market?

>>725684003
Useless feature. Keyboards are better. Mice are better.

>>725682947
Form as in appearance. In terms of actual comfort it'll be great.

A lot of this bitching seems entirely primed around
>man trackpads are a meme / i don't use them, so therefore it's bad
with some
>ew playstation layout
on the side

>>725683339
So a better dualsense

>>725684124
Obviously. But what about when you don't have those? Or you're too lazy to pull out the keyboard to type just your character name

>>725683873
I like how asymmetricfags conveniently never mentions the right stick's placement in there arguments (besides the fallicious "durr cuz right stick is secondary!!1")

>>725684365
>But what about when you don't have those
I have those.

>>725684408
>there arguments
>fallicious

>>725684408
Sure I'll mention the right stick. What do you want me to address? What is confusing you?

>>725683967
Have you ever touched Steam Input? All games will be playable with that combined with this controller.

>>725684431
Yeah then you're not the intended costumer you dumbfuck, stop acting like everything should be catered specifically to you. It's clearly meant for people who want to play on a couch. Plenty of people don't actually like using a keyboard and mouse when gaming whether you refuse to accept their existence or not.

>>725684431
You're sitting on your sofa, playing games with a controller. Anon, be real now. Nobody has a keyboard at an arm's reach there.

>>725684605
Still not buying it. Sorry.

>>725684582
I just figured theres a lot of older forgotten stuff that wasnt made with that functionality

>>725683967
Steam input lets you play literally anything. I do RTS on my steam deck. It's not a big deal.

Why is the dpad still shit? Analog sticks are absolutely useless, why would I pay premium for garbage peripherals I don't want? 90% of the games I use a controller for are dpad games.

>>725676716
Nigga how else am I supposed to play RCT2 from my couch? With a fucking mouse?

>>725676505 (OP)
Can i use it completely wired

I dont want any wireless radios to transmit anything whatsoever

Does it have a hardware switch for wired/wireless

Yeah that's what this thread needed. Someone roleplaying as a tranny

>>725684882
I mean can you really tell by looks? I remember when the switch pro controller came out, i thought the d pad looked great (especially better than the joycons) but once i started playing it o realized it had horrendous false diagonal inputs
Maybe it looks bad but feels great and inputs perfectly

>>725684639
Not him but I can easily game on my wireless kbm, I have a glass mousepad I can lay down on my right, the keyboard on my lap and all I need is a random chair or whatever for a footrest

>>725684758
>that wasnt made with that functionality
It doesn't need to be. That's why the intermediary software layer exists to translate to literally any form of input you could possibly want.

>>725677159
Xbox controllers are really interesting. You assume that they've been "exactly the same" since the Xbox One, but they've had dozens of small model revisions. If you need a replacement part, you need to get it specifically for that model because some parts like the left and right bumpers will have radically different lever mechanisms based on the model.

>>725685080
>I mean can you really tell by looks
Yes I am absolutely certain that dpad is complete dogshit that was thrown in as an afterthought

>>725684882
if these are your autistic requirements just go buy one of the billion other controllers on the market with a emphasis on a good d-pad

>>725685460
>autistic requirements
>a functional dpad in a lightweight controller that is not full of bulky needless extras that increase the price by $100
>autistic
A fucking snes controller is better than this

>>725676505 (OP)
Where's the audio jack?

>>725684408
>>725684582
Anon I'm honoring your request. Why did you disappear?

>>725684408
>>725684539
?

>>725685716
ok not everyone is playing tranime side scrollers, this is for dudes who wanna play their autistic sim games or grand strategy with a billion keybinds on a controller

>>725686160
You aren't playing real wargames on a track pad away from a desk. Paradox slop is basically just cookie clicker with extra steps and I cannot imagine how much someone would have to weigh to feel the need to "play" that braindead slop in bed.

>>725682293
The problem with forcing trackpads is that it sucks for movement, but for camera control it can be pretty much the same as a thumb stick so a mixed version would honestly be much better than this duke looking motherfucker
>>725683243
Most people aren't going to go out of their way to config their trackpad as touch menus, they'll just use it as redundant mouse input

And if you like thumb+gyro there's still no need for 2 trackpad

>>725680264
is it really better than gyro? more precise or let's your other fingers do more stuff even if you'll have to bother aiming with your thumb?

>>725684943
I seriously hope you don't have a microwave if you're that schizo about radiation.

Whats the purpose of this?
>Trackpad is better for aiming that a stick so FPS play better
Yeah right, try aiming with a trackpad so low while pulling the trigger buttons and you'll have the worst case of claw grip I can think of

>>725676505 (OP)
based gaben, im definitely buying 1 of these
all of my friends told me how great the first steam controller was and i regret that i never bought it
>>725677159
stick drift within 3 months? no thanks

>>725676505 (OP)
What purpose do those trackpads serve?
I never even touched the trackpad on my PS4 controller. In fact if I had the option to have got that controller without one, I would've done that.

>>725686681
>And if you like thumb+gyro there's still no need for 2 trackpad
Except as 2 touch menus. I don't get why you see it as a bad thing. It won't get in the way and will just give you more options.

>>725683967
There doesn't have to be any modifications. You can bind any key to any button

>>725686969
RTS games, desktop usage, trackpad keyboards, and technically you can use Steam Input to bind the trackpads to anything, so there's nothing stopping you from using them like two touch-sensitive extra buttons alongside the paddles on the back, among other functions.

>>725685096
>glass

Do you have one of those darkfield laser tracking sensors? Pretty cool.

>>725687182
Virtual menus

>>725687080
to use as a mouse or to map however you want

>>725687391
Well, I never play FPS games with controllers. Is there any other genre of game that trackpad-as-a-mouse can help with?

>>725687139
Which is something you still see no benefit from in 99% of cases because games are just not made to require that many inputs, I'm thinking here about the common use cases for it in your average PC game.

This is them trying to sell a niche device to the mass consumer and so, it's doomed to fail.

>bought in 2010
>still works on modern PC's
>still has rumble
>still just werks and has no drift
it will never be surpassed

>>725687541
It would be perfect if the dpad wasn't shit and it didn't have that battery tumor on the back. If someone made a premium version of it, I would buy it.

>>725687541
I think the 360 d-pad sucks. It's way too imprecise. You'll notice that if you play a fighting game and press Right to walk forward, but it detects an Up input as well and makes you jump diagonally.

>>725676505 (OP)
i was going to buy the new razer one, should i wait?

>>725687182
>RTS games
Only use for gaming I can see and for those kb+m would still be better

>>725687684
i agree about the DPAD sucking ass but its still the best controller i've ever owned in terms of surviving for so long and still being viable even in 2025.
>>725687712
i agree, it isnt unplayable it just sucks, at the same time:
>using a dpad for inputs in a fighting game

>>725687794
Don't buy Razer's overpriced controllers.

>>725687712
It's shit. The "transforming" d-pad model is a little better, but still isn't good.

>>725687812
Well that proposes that you're always playing at a desktop scenario. The Steam Controller concept was partially thanks to the whole Big Picture mode that eventually stemmed off into SteamOS for a portable or console style experience on whatever platform you can get Steam on. So it's intended for people who aren't playing at a desktop with M&KB setups, or for those who want to use the customization to go beyond a standard controller basis.

>>725687495
Strategy games, anything with controller support that still requires intermittent dialogue or inventory windows (indie games, MMOs)

>>725687812
>bro just sit at your computer and use your mouse and keyboard

im willing to take whatever loss in efficiency it inflicts on me to sit in a recliner with a controller

>>725687919
they have the lowest latency anon

>>725684752
retard

>>725680336
>he use vibration

>>725676716
Cool. While the rest of us will happily play a better calibrated trackpad on games like Dwarf fortress, tf2, rct2, rts games, and old point and click fallout games all from our beds.

>>725676505 (OP)
SymmetricalStickSisters... we won
Now Nintendo's the odd one out.

>>725678876
Does it work with Radeon cards?

>>725687794
you are better off buying an 8bitdo 2c for like 18$ now (if you absolutely need something asap) and then buying a steam controller

Could you play League of Legends on a Steam Controller and Steam Machine?

>>725688270
>Does it work with the most functional Linux GPUs?

>>725688270
Yep, works great. AMDs encoder has been pretty good since NAVI.

>>725678817
I'm trans btw forgot to mention that

>>725680474
kys disingenuous faggot

>>725681942
>I love how everyone has such huge opinions while nobody here has had the thing in his hands yet.
Where the loving FUCK do you think you are?

>>725688517
valve is working on it, trust the plan, gaben is making linux great again

>>725679207
>Retarded tendie can't imagine not getting fucked in the ass by bingtendo
grim

>>725686056
Sorry, I lost interest in arguing
"You won"

>>725688634
Meanie. I know it started from some Nvidia game stream proprietary bullshittery so I thought it wouldn't be possible to make it work on AMD.

>>725688773
That's great, thanks. Hopefully it's compatible with my TV as well.

>>725679902
you seem upset

>>725687981
Then still, why would you use it instead of a regular shitty onscreen keyboard? It's not like you do a lot of typing in the "console experience"

>>725677159
I have one and it's great but if the valve gamepad is anything like the deck's controller hardware im switching for sure.

>>725676716
You can bind them into macros and do whatever the fuck you want with them. I use the PS5's pad to browse the internet and shitpost while gaming, it's some real ADHD shit. That's a use case for those trackpads too.

>>725679985
Of course I do it from my bed and because you are an insufferable fag who needs to blow his brains out

>>725680113
Yes. Including grip based gyro

>>725677159
I wouldn't say the "definitive controller," but that D-Pad is absolutely fucking godlike if you're not in the need for SOCD inputs. It's been my go-to favorite for fighting games and retro grames since. Just so fucking tacticle, and the hybrid design of the single cap with the little switches underneath is fantastic for motion inputs.

>>725681942
just filter these fags. Obviously shitskin consolewarriors mad that one company isn't fucking their customer base in the ass unlike theirs is

>>725677159
the steam controller is using tmr sticks, it's way better. we can only hope tmr sticks become industry standard now that valve is doing them.

>>725676505 (OP)
>Those trackpads

>>725684194
The funny thing is that the trackpads are the main selling point, and it's also not playstation layout. Horizontal symmetry like on this and the Steam Deck is not remotely the same thing as vertical symmetry like on a DualSense. Your thumbs don't move in the same way and it's not nearly as awkward.

>>725680264
I'm playing KotOR on my lounge room PC right now and just have a wireless M+KB on my lap but I think a controller would be more comfortable. How would you configure it for KotOR?

what do we think about the price fellas?
if its $50 then thats an easy cop

>>725684365
Tactile screen is better

>>725690762
Optimistically guessing $70-100, pessimistically $200 if they view it as an Xbox Elite/Dualsense Edge competitor

>>725690981
god i hate this current economy
i remember when new controllers were $60 or less with 0 stick drift issues

>>725691116
I too remember not existing

>>725691294
bro the ps3 and 360??

>>725676716
This. Who the fuck uses this crap? Who the fuck uses controllers for shooters? It's the same logic as gyro retards. I'm going to use a KBM for those. The simple fact is that the ergonomics of this contoller are absolute crap. The only time i'm going to use a controller is with Action games, platformers, and racing games.

>>725676505 (OP)
But does it have hall effect sticks and triggers

>>725684003
Do you guys never use phones or something? I can type twice as fast as that with the touchscreen.

>>725687541
>no back buttons
>no gyro
>no trackpads
whatever you say

>>725677159
I have never used a xbox controller. What is it like?

I just wish it wasn't so ugly.

>>725676716
>he will NEVER be able to play Moutn & Blade Warband on a controller

sad!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3596980125

>>725691413
I use a controller for shooters, but I also use the features in action games since those also often have some type of aiming and inventory management.

>It's the same logic as gyro retards
Gyro doesn't even change ergonomics and it is cheap enough that the manufacturer isn't going to lower the cost from leaving it out. The worst thing that could happen from having gyro in every controller is that games could be made with a faster pace and without aim assist. You should support gyro even if you exclusively play on keyboard and mouse since it enables better games that don't have to cater to analog stick aiming.

>>725691116
You've still got that with $5-50 chink third parties
I don't think Valve is likely to see those as competitors and is more likely to price according to first parties, however.

>>725691901
yeah but then you have to touch the screen. I'd rather go a little slower if it'll allow me to avoid touching the screen.

>>725691362
>0 stick drift issues
And that DualShock from the era sucked

>>725691901
Yeah, you've been typing on that screen for years.

>>725677821
Oh, so you already tried this one, MR shill?

>>725686969
Literally anything. Simulated mouse input for menus, Hotkey button pad, scroll wheel. In Dark Souls I use one as an extra joystick that automatically holds circle to sprint when my finger is at the pad's edges. In a conventional shooter, mapping 1-9 for weapon swapping to the pad is common. In RTS you can use mouse regions so that the pad's space translates directly over the portion of the screen with just the minimap. The pad also has capacitive touch that can be mapped to anything, including swapping out layers that change the behavior of the rest of the controller.

>>725687812
> kb+m would still be better
It's not support to be better than kb&m. It's just supposed to bridge the functionality gap enough that you can actually use a controller to comfortably play literally anything and not feel like you're playing with a hand tied behind your back.

>>725677198
steam controller 1 was more aesthetic but this one is more functional

>>725677198
>muh design
I'm not framing the fucking thing on a wall, all that matters is that it's ergonomic

>>725682936
ham hands.

>>725677603
Are we deadass?

>>725693107
Having giant useless pads on your controller is the opposite of ergonomic.

>>725682936
l-lewd

>>725682392
My unemployed ass knows they should've made Half Life 3 15 years ago.

>>725686957
A microwave transmits while youre using it. Not for hours at a time, in your hands.

>>725692957
I hated how the first one looked
the new one is kinda ugly too but mostly in a plain boxy way, it's not offensive to the eyes or anything, probably as good as you can do with the giant flat spot you need for the trackpads

>>725677198
it's like a sloppy joe, it has that homely feel you'll grow to appreciate because it just works

>>725676505 (OP)
I like the fact that its the size and shape of an old xbox hueg controller. Fuck the handlets, I want something that feels comfortable.

>>725694197
Reminds me more of the Jaguar controller.

>>725677198
Nigger, you're staring at the screen, not your fucking controller

>>725693829
How are you faggot praising it when you havent even touched one yet

>>725676505 (OP)
still the best controller
how did they do it?

>>725694932
you can cry about gay shit all you want, steam deck's controller ergonomics are great
i have no reason to doubt valve when they're committing to them here too instead of faggotmaxxing their controllers like sony, microsoft and nintendo
you consolecucks are so focused on appearances and not actually playing games and it shows

>>725684003
We already had the perfect controller for typing

>>725676505 (OP)
>makes every controller obese in your path
fixed

>No trigger stop
meh

>>725676505 (OP)
it certainly looks cool

>>725677464
Can you imagine dota2 on that thing?

>>725676505 (OP)
Mentally ill /v/eddit contrarians can suck a nigger dick
I'm legit excited for the controller

why is it so lazy though, two massive stupid looking square trackpads surely could've been designed better

>>725684003
>20 wpm
OG PSP with CFW used to have this feature using the joystick+buttons. It used a sort of hybrid of this and the T9 system, and I could type faster on that than you could on this. This looks worthless, just get something with a touch screen or use a keyboard

>>725691413
>Who the fuck uses controllers for shooters?
the people you stomp in public servers/matches

>>725677159
>>725692086
>I have never used a xbox controller. What is it like?

Soul

>>725678876
>Moonlight and sunshine is so fucking good these mouthbreathers never believe me when I tell them inhouse streaming is the most impressive tech we got in the last decade.
>Crisp 4k 60 with HDR, no cables just a fucking app on my TV.
lol you consider 60 fps good and you don't notice the extra 40 ms input lag, I'm pretty sure we can safely disregard your views on anything "impressive"

>>725676505 (OP)
>no gyro
instant garbage

>>725676716
It should have been a detachable part.

>>725684003
this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen and just confirms my suspicions that deck users are all autistic retards

>>725698075
did the kitty charger not give it away?

>>725697997
READ NIGGA READ

>>725698168
>latch grip just to enable
it's jover...

>>725676505 (OP)
How much will it be tho? $100?

>>725698075
Oh ok. You're those normie retards who likes to select letters one by one with a joystick

>>725677159
not with those shitty concaved sticks

>>725687080
it doesn't make much sense on the play station but with steam you can add additional menus/hotkeys on the trackpad. i only stumbled on it when i started playing euro truck and the controller just didn't have enough buttons for all the key bindings and making overlays gets confusing. also in some cases touchpad is much smoother than the joystick.

>>725686160
retards that can't afford a table for a mouse and keyboard?

>>725676505 (OP)
Trackpads should have been in the back like the vita had. Otherwise, their placement interferes with the sticks.

>>725676505 (OP)
>makes keyboard mouse obsolete.
GABEN!!!!!

60$ it becomes the new god controller
99$+ it dies in obscurity

>>725676505 (OP)
>wireless
>symmetrical sticks
>touch pads way too fucking low
Into the trash it goes.

>>725676505 (OP)
ew it looks like shit, and it's probably shit to handle as well
>>725676716
this

built in battery really sucks

>>725677703
>trackpads
get that shit out of here

symmetrical sticks brothers...
WE FUCKING WON

>>725699204
it's not bluetooth retard
the difference between wired and non bluetooth wireless is 0.3ms of latency on the best mice of each type

>>725679481
>more features means more good
lol

>>725698417
It's a PC controller, just use your fucking keyboard.

>>725698417
You are barely 15% faster than that and you're on a tablet that should have a touch screen which would make your input 2x as fast at least plus you need ridiculous 4 squared inch trackpads controlled with an extremely uncomfortable looking claw grip to achieve it

>>725699204
Read, retard, read. It LITERALLY fucking says it supports USB-C. And you can see the port on top.

>>725699569
It's not just latency that makes it shit. This thing is gonna have like two hours of battery life tops.

>>725676505 (OP)
if it's anything like the LCD deck the sticks will feel like plastic grinding instead of being smooth an the rims will unglue in 2 years because unlike a real controller >>725677159 they a sensor on the top

>>725698417
Explain how doing that would be faster than just using both joysticks at the same time
To me it seems like you need a lot of unnecessary precision with the tardpads

>>725699618
>claw grip

>>725676505 (OP)
I'd prefer 6 buttons like an arcade fighter setup. They have failed me.

>>725700023
joysticks are incapable of the required precision for typing or moving a cursor around accurately

>>725676716
I used to think that, until i tried them

Looks like shit.

trackpads would be extremely interesting with skate 3

>>725699694
how do people like you function in society
you haven't used a wireless peripheral even once in your life yet you think you're entitled to an opinion

>>725677159
If you were a deformed freak

>>725676505 (OP)
>no nipples printed on the touchpads
it's garbage

>>725700136
So it literally takes more effort and precision to type with them over joysticks for a minor speed increase

>>725700023
The centrifying force fights against you constantly which means you need to uae force to stay still on the keyboard. A trackpad will stay still with no effort.
I tried using the joysticks with the same dual typing idea and it sucked in comparison.

>>725677159
This design is killing innovation in gaming. Zoomies refuse to play any game that doesn't use this design as the primary control method. Thus the dearth of racing games, light guns, mech sims, space sims, and flight sims in AAA gaming.

>>725698492
>using a radial menu on the trackpad instead of a touch menu

i hate my steam input autism

>>725700204
Being born in a different time, mostly. It's amazing the life skills you pick up when you don't grow up with a phone welded into your hand like you underaged zoomies.

>>725698249
just remap it

>>725700303
draw up a better design for human hands

Trackpads are worse than gyro and mouse. Don't have idea why are they still pushing it. Especially because Steam itself is number 1 supporter for gyro aim.

>>725698249
If it's anything like how the joystick capacitive sensor works, they'll let you just perma-enable it in the steam input options

>>725676505 (OP)
we'll have to see, shame it'll probably be sold online only I'd love to be able to test one out before I buy.

>>725684003
I will never understand why we still have to use virtual keyboards on consoles in 2025. There's surely better ways to fucking type.
For example: Rainbow Six 3 on the Original Xbox used radial typing, the whole alphabet was in a circle and you angled the analog stick and pressed A to type a letter. Even just a tiny bit of practice would be faster than any virtual keyboard. And that was over 20 years ago. The concept could EASILY be improved, adapted, built upon.

>>725700486
The trackpads are, as far as I'm concerned, for two things: precision cursor control for things like RTS or strategy games and access to hotkeys that are normally inaccessible with a gamepad.
Joystick+gyro is better for FPS games.

>>725700386
your life skill is being hyperbolic and schizophrenic about something you never experienced?
wires are scientifically not worth it now unless you're doing some turbo compfag shit and the steam controller supports wired too

>>725700486
it does both which is nice, but the trackpads do take up alot of real estate on the controller. we'll have to see how comfy it is to hold, I held similar reservations for the WiiU controller format and ended up quite liking both the Gamepad and Pro controller formats

>>725700732
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume the reason for the funny angle is because your wrists are positioned differently on this thing than the steam deck where there's about a six-inch gap between your hands. Valve seems to understand ergonomics well so I'm not super worried.

>>725677464
kinda but games that absolutely need mouse control are also annoying to play on 'eck.

>>725700651
>and access to hotkeys
This is good. How many hotkeys does trackpad have? PS4's pad is actually 4 buttons for example but 99% of the games use only two.
Though I doubt trackpads can be useful in RTS did anyone try to play something like mid ELO in AoE2 with gyro or trackpad?

>>725700629
You can hookup a Bluetooth keyboard to consoles. Not sure how many games support it but I know a few that do just fine.

>>725700629
Steam actually used a variant of that back in the day called daisywheel.

>>725687812
>Only use for gaming I can see

you are so dumb, first of all, check my Company of Heroes 2 config

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3546470897

second of all, one of the best but rarely mentioned input options for trackpads are directional swipes

directional swipes give you FIVE new inputs, up, down, left, right and trackpad press, these are quick motions too, so they are excellent for switching weapons in an FPS

like some other guys mentioned, theres also virtual menus, which are fantastic for slower paced games

even for games with OFFICIAL controller support, these are a godsend

you know Elden Ring has a pouch to quickly use up to 4 different items right? well unfortunately, to use an item in the pouch, you need to press Y + a direction on the Dpad, meaning you cant move and use the pouch at the same time, UNLESS, you use the right trackpad and map it to directional swipes or a directional pad, and map it to Y+UP, Y+DOWN, etc, its incredible, vastly improved Elden Ring for me

>>725700914
It can have as many as you can fit in a radial menu or grid and still accurately push.

>>725700858
we'll see, I'm not in love in how the steam deck feels in my hands but I'm also the kind of guy who has bought a grip for both my 3DS and Vita because they would cramp up my hands.

>>725700698
Sounds like sour grapes.

>>725701000
Finally an anon that actually uses Steam Input to its fullest.

>Using Steam Controller
foolish
>Using Steam Frame Wands as your peripheral for everything
wise

>>725701174
>sour grapes
my mouse and keyboard are the fastest lowest latency shit you can currently buy, monsgeek fun60 tmr and keychron m5 and i could use them wired if i wanted to
whatever wired office shitware you have is slower than what I have and you're coping with muh wires make it le fast!!!!

>>725700084
kek

>>725676716
this. and also this >>725677159

>>725701000
TrackpadGOD I kneel.

>>725677159
>Stick drift in 1 month
>Open Up
>Fix it
>Lasts 5 more days
Straight to the fucking trasha nd never again, fuck Microshart and every single one of their products.

>>725701403
That's a lot of words to try to justify your poor spending decisions. Sour. Grapes.

>>725676505 (OP)
It looks really comfortable.

I was hoping the analog sticks would be at the top similar to the Steam Deck and Wii U controllers - I'm usually not a huge fan of dual sticks at the bottom (though they seem to be high enough up on this to where it'll be more comfortable than the average DualShock).

I'm just glad that I'll finally have a controller big enough for my yaoi hands. I hope someone makes a dongle or something that lets me use it on my switch 2 too. That'd be cool

>>725701827
The track pad positions look incredibly uncomfortable. Actually try lowering your thumbs to where they are on a controller, shit feels awful without changing your grip to the index on the stick/buttons style claw.

>>725701773
poor. and. brown. and. also. retarded. and. stubborn.
your wires are slower than my wireless

>>725676505 (OP)
Should have made the analog sticks and the D-pad swappable. Any controller with the analog stick not on the left is automatically unusable.

>>725702184
The projection of this post is hilarious. Have you tried looking in a mirror?

>>725701352
Can you even do that, actually? Or do you need the Frame for them to work?

Average Steam players.
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine

>>725701000
Yeah what he said.
Swipes and breaking down the touchpad into an array of 'buttons' was something you could do with DS4Windows for years as well. Even if the touchpad location of the Dualshock 4/5 is a little troublesome, it was great to have anywhere from two to more than ten possible distinct inputs and macros, a profile for each game.
Having two pads in a much better to reach position will have great fucking potential.

>>725698417
you're not quirky or unique by not using a keyboard or touchpad

>>725702442
Me on the left

>>725702442
Me on the right (im a right winger tee hee)

Can someone tell me what the 2 trackpads were for. My console accustomed intuition just assumed one track pad was for camera, and one track pad was for mouse aiming, but what's the point of a camera trackpad when you have a mouse aiming trackpad? You only have one mouse after all, why 2 trackpads.

What is "right" to do in a videogame?

>>725702442
OMG Sony sisters we look so alike!

>>725702405
According to the page for it, yeah.
>...and inputs for non-VR games, too
>The Steam Frame controllers also have all the familiar inputs you need to play non-VR games: D-pad, ABXY, thumbsticks, triggers, and bumpers, all right where you'd expect them.
>Hop between your VR and non-VR games. Steam Frame Controllers are designed with a split gamepad layout to work with your whole Steam Library.
Doesn't specify if the wands can pair directly to a PC without the Frame, I imagine it would be possible. Would seem like a no-brainer if it could pair to the Controller puck.

>>725702534
Anon, when I'm playing on the couch I'm not getting up just to fetch my keyboard

>>725676505 (OP)
>4 face buttons
>clustered placement
>still trying to force trackpads when gyro is superior
lol

>>725702952
It has gyro too

>>725684003
Looks infinitely worse than the old keypad attachment for the 360 controller

>>725676505 (OP)
I'm iffy on whether or not I'll actually buy a Steam machine (leaning toward not) but I'm definitely buying the controller. If it feels even half as good as the Steam deck to use it'll be the best controller on the market

>>725702871
if you're sitting on the couch you don't need to be typing anyway, you're there to play fucking vidya not text your boyfriend

>>725702871
i have been using steam deck docked for years, buying a 29 dollar BT keyboard with a trackpad is worth it just to keep on the nightstand in case you need to drop into desktop mode and do something or log into a launcher or something. dont act like this isnt a trivial task for someone using this board in 2025

>>725703018
>keypad attachment
Those are awful desu.

>>725701403
>whatever wired office shitware you have is slower
1000hz wired with binary switches will always be faster than whatever wireless analog FOMO retard shit you bought.

monsgeek is peak chinkshit and I don't know about keychron's mice but their keyboards are mid tier babies first mechanical, only a step or two above corsair garbage. You bought the entry level consumer products and you're gloating about it for some retarded reason.

>>725703305
and it looks infinitely worse than those

>original steam controller used AA batteries
>the new controllers for the Frame use one AA battery each
>this has a lithium ion battery
why

>>725692020
bloat
kys zoomie

>>725703380
Nah. Try to play game on gamepad where you need to type things (like Grim Dawn). Typing with analog is ass but swapping to KB just to type is even more ass. Touch type seems much better.

>>725703506
the future is controllers we can't open up without voiding warranties and battery bloat

>>725703741
Valve's usually pretty good about that shit at least. The new Steam Machine is all soldered on, but the Deck and OG controller are pretty easy to open up and tinker with.

>>725703506
>>725703741
Xniggers need to kys, your brand is dead

>>725703656
It has worst d-pad in history on pads.
The position of analog sticks is inferior to DS style. Try to hold L2 and press d-pad on move. This is common bind in some games.

>>725676505 (OP)
it looks uncomfortable. also why two trackpads?

>AA battery
>2025
LMAO
>>725703893
This. Duracell must die. Why are they even exist?

>>725703921
I agree, design actually peaked with sonys Dual Analogue
If they didnt ruin it with the dualshock and just added rumble it would have been perfect

>>725676505 (OP)
i'm glad they finally added a second analog stick, but now it's just like every other controller on the market, except an inordinate amount of real estate is taken up by the double trackpads, which are situational at best.
>>725684003
trackpad bros, come get ya boy here, he's making a fool out of ya.

>>725677464
I've played some Victoria II on it and it wasn't bad at all

>>725703321
lol cope
my keyboard has a keypress latency of 0.5ms when wired and 1.3ms when wireless
my mouse has a click latency of 0.8ms when wired and 1ms when wireless
we all know your shit is worse because you don't even bother researching this shit, you're using bottom of the barrel office shitware
wireless is so good that only retards need to split hairs over this shit in any environment that isn't turbo compfaggotry

Pic rel, aka the definitive PC controller was released years ago but cultists will pay scammin' Gabe $200 for his ugly controller. You can tell no thought or love went into the new Steam controller, it looks uncomfortable to hold and is extremely ugly and unaesthetically pleasing but Steambots will eat it up.

>>725704372
>trackpads
>situational
i can tell you only play console slop

try playing some autistic simulator or a game made before 2006 that requires keybinds. the reason for the hype on this controller is playing games made for mouse and keyboard like a console requires autistic use of the touchpad radial menu. its actually feasible to play a RTS on a steam deck without enough controller bindings.

>>725703063
Ok, how do I type my character name when starting a game?

>>725677586
>>725677962
>>725678251
>>725679051
>>725678694
i have no idea how the track pads work and what methods you guys are talking about but are you saying you can set them up to play starcraft 2 at a high level?

i don't get how that would work

>>725704709
>no thought or love went into the design
nigger they spend like 3 years letting steam deck users beta test all this shit and most people say the trackpads are steam decks best feature

>>725702778
Custom input mapping. You could use swipes and presses to have a lot of extra inputs and macros. Break it down into quadrants to press, or a command rose to swipe.
For example... map the pad into eight sectors to emulate an eight-way weapon wheel. You could instantly switch on the fly instead of holding the left bumper to bring up the wheel then use the analog stick to select the weapon.
More ways to not need layered, contextual inputs that take control away from other actions (often important things like movement and camera control) which virtually all modern games have to do in order to cram all of their bloated inputs into the limited xinput scheme.

Two pads, more inputs.

>>725704832
I dunno just use a mouse and keyboard for games that aren't designed around the standardized controller format man.

>>725704709
>it looks uncomfortable to hold and is extremely ugly and unaesthetically pleasing but Steambots will eat it up.
Plus the original Steam controller already had decent ergonomics, there was no reason for this change.

>>725704938
copy pasting two massive trackpads on a design not made for them is peak care and attention

>>725704926
steamOS has a insanely in-depth controller mapping interface, it allows nested radial menus, key-chording, delays, pressure sensitive bindis and minor scripting and way more. even the most basic setup just has a radial wheel to trigger key commands. the limit is your imagination.

everyone bitching about touchpads in here has clearly never used a steam deck longer than 20 mins because the touchpads+radials is worth the price of admission alone

>>725704849
This was figured out on arcade cabinets 40 years ago

>>725705113
nigger you are actually retarded and contrarian, they are literally just simple trackpads with pressure sensitivity, thats not the revolutionary part, its the software that makes them extremely powerful and useful

>>725704926
I love the SC but I don't think it's capable for that task.

>>725704832
Are steam deck touchpads really accurate? Because DS4/5 touchpad is so ass.
I used DS4 to play DCS. You basically can use gyro to replace trackIR (tracks your head, important part of flysims) and fly full fidelity aircraft with more ease. Or you can turn your phone into trackIR and have even better time (no need to swap between camera and mouse control to click on buttons).

>>725705014
>ya dude just use a mouse and keyboard on your recliner

this shit isnt for NEETs that sit at a their cuck "battlestations" to do all their gaming. its for people that are wanting to play PC games on a tv while sitting on a couch. if thats out of the scope of your poor fag thinking then thats your problem

>>725705193
It's worth noting that if you start making layouts that are too autistic with several layers and menus, it starts glitching out and randomly deleting/swapping actions

>>725705550
>you are poor if you use multiple peripherals that match specific strengths and weaknesses
ok

>>725705502
the ds4 touchpad is not comparable, ive been using it for my steam deck controller for basic desktop tasks until this comes out and it has zero precision and has the worse response curve ive ever seen. the steam deck trackpads have many acceleration options and haptic feedback to make it feel organic.

>>725705193
Steam control mapping is pretty deep by default.
>start playing Grim Dawn
>for some unknow reason it has no "hold R2 to swap quickbar" option like in D2R, PoE or any modern ARPG with gamepad support
>you can just make one with activators in steam settings

>>725705550
>its for people that are wanting to play PC games on a tv while sitting on a couch.

>>725704518
>we all know your shit is worse because you don't even bother researching this shit, you're using bottom of the barrel office shitware
Uh, you don't know who you're talking to, dawg. My primary keyboard was over $300 not including switches and keycaps. My latest build was $270 after keycaps and switches, plus another $100ish for an EC PCB + EC switches because I was interested in trying topre clones. I know a thing or two about keyboards, faggot. They're my personal time/money sink. You literally bought babies first gaymershit prebuilt. You sound like a literal child bragging about rainbow LEDs right now. Monsgeek is a low-tier brand. It's one of those brands that anyone who has built a custom before will just snub their noses at. It has the chinkshit stink to it. It's not something you should be bragging about.

>>725705206
So you want a cumbersome "select letter by letter" when you could have dual trackpad typing?

>>725702778
i can give you an example, i JUST published another controller config, this time for The Witcher, look what i use the trackpads for, mouse cursor controls, since the witcher has a shitton of menu navigation, plus it can be played from an isometric point of view like a diablo clone AND as virtual menus for magic signs and camera modes

>>725705812
>ya let me just break this autistic shit(which costs more than a steam controller) out every time i want to play a game that needs a keybind that could be easily put on a radial menu

>>725705819
nta but how do you feel about keychron? I'm not too deep into keyboard stuff at all, but I got one to replace my ancient corsair mechanical and I quite like it

>>725702778
>>725705965
forgot the link

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3603571607

>>725705968
>(which costs more than a steam controller)
I thought you weren't a poorfag?
>it's too autistic for my map autism simulators
lol

>>725677159
I had to buy a hakko desoldering gun to replace the sticks with hall effects in all 4 of mine. >>725676505 (OP)
Legitimately excited, will buy on release and if they're good, I'll buy 3 more.

>>725705113
The shape of a game controller that has become standard since the mid 90s has been a fucking mistake, literally "pasting shit on a design not made for them." It was an understandable concession to make simple little flat bricks with buttons on the face in the 80s, but instead of evolving the core shape as they added to them, they started making Frankenstein monsters. Shoulder buttons, then grips, then thumbsticks, then they kept trying to experiment with the placement and shape of those things based on complete nonsense beliefs... all the while you're still holding a little awkward brick in your hands that is desperate to be "ergonomic."

>>725706065
i can tell you've never actually used something like this in your living room, its not comfy, its not relaxing, it involves sitting in a certain angle. trackpad haters are just contrarian retards

>>725705868
If you think selecting 4-6 characters for a character name is too cumbersome then I implore you to find a new hobby that doesn't require this much physical effort

>>725705812
>sitting

i play my PC games on TV like this, i dont have a Steam Controller, but the Dualshock 4 is almost as good

>>725687541
The sticks don't drift but they do loose range in the forward direction on the left stick, seeing as how you're always holding it forward. I only have 2 good 360 controllers left.

>>725705328
>it's the software
So you agree zero effort or care went into the design of this controller

>>725706331
I'll lay like that with the wireless keyboard in my lap and the mouse on the coffee table.

>>725702778
Custom weapon wheels

First controller with a good D-Pad out of the box in nearly 20 years

>>725705987
They're just okay. They're a very common stepping stone for falling down the rabbit hole of GBs and customs autism, which you probably don't want to do. Their designs are very plain, their Q series pings pretty bad but that can easily be fixed and I really hate the font on their keycaps, their stabs are below average but you as a non-autist being happy with them it totally fine. If you like it then that's all that really matters.

>>725705868
Yeah it sounds reasonable on literally any game I would consider using a controller with

>>725705819
>keyboard tinkertranny automatically believes that time invested translates to quality
i can't even find your meme keyboard tech benchmarked lmao

>>725706190
idk what sort of argument are making here, controllers are definitely following some sort of natural evolution that everyone adheres to. outside of companies like nintendo who radically have experimented outside of the box theres a pretty clear design standard for controllers. trackpads are clearly the next thing that will be normalized into controllers and i think thats steams vision is probably the most coherent way to do that

>>725706440
steam spend what like 3 years beta testing the first steam controller, then came the conclusion that the steam deck form factor with regular dual analogs and standard button layout+touch was probably the best. theyve clearly thought alot about this

>>725706605
I swapped the keycaps because I didn't like the ones it came with either. it's always interesting to hear what hardcore hobbyists have to say on stuff like this, thanks

>>725676505 (OP)
>built in magnetic sticks
>FOUR BACK BUTTONS
>gyro sensors
>charging cable is ALSO the wireless receiver ( genius move )


if this thing has a reasonable price valve has seriously cooked

>>725706249
Trackpads are contrarian little dude

>>725706261
>I can take 5 seconds instead of 30 seconds to do a task with no additional requirements
>For some reason anon rejects this
Are you just too far in your arguments that it's just embarrassing to go back on them?

>>725706726
>theyve clearly thought alot about this
Shit looks like a 2 min Photoshop job pasting on the pads to a switch pro controller or some shit

>>725706914
>30 seconds one time is worth dogshit literal brick ergonomic trackpads

>>725706818
feature wise it seems pretty nice, but I am worried about how it'll feel to hold.

>>725676505 (OP)
It's too big and pointless. Anything that is K+M I play with K+M and anything that is better with a controller, I play with a controller. For me it's DualSense atm and I don't even own PS5 btw. I tried 8bitdo pro 2 too but the shape is just not that good. Also Start Select being closer was a nice improvement from Sony.

>>725677586
>>725677962
>>725677972
>>725678826
>>725681425
>>725700903
>>725704479
How would something like helldivers 2 play with the trackpad for someone who can aim well on mouse and goes full retard with controller sticks? I don’t really play shooters but I do enjoy shit like drag,l4d2 and hd2 type stuff

>>725705819
This is proof right here that keyboard builders are the biggest fucking autists.
Use actual words as well.

>>725707035
Lol no

>>725706775
>automatically believes that time invested translates to quality
Fine tuning a custom board literally does translate to higher quality than a factory assembly.

>meme keyboard tech
It's all a meme. Anything that isn't standard MX is a meme. HE and TMR are also a meme. Topre is not for gayming so you're not going to find that kind of benchmarking for it. It's for typists and programmers, not faggots bragging about wireless latency and analog switches.

>>725706818
>built in magnetic sticks
TMR LETS FUCKING GOO

>>725707156
bind wasd to the dpad and use that to move
use the right trackpad to look. I like to make the x axis more sensitive than the right axis and rotate the inputs to line up with my thumb a little better
other binds are purely preference

>>725707357
oops, meant for >>725706693

>>725706914
>30 seconds
are you in your 90s?

>>725707263
literally your argument, that typing an action you shouldn't do on a controller is worth ruining the ergonomics 100% of the time for

>>725707156
>How would something like helldivers 2 play with the trackpad for someone who can aim well on mouse and goes full retard with controller sticks?
Use gyro with flick stick instead. It takes time to get used. Sometimes people would think you're cheating when you do 180 instant turns

>>725678589
wassup

>>725707357
>meme
There are only three TMR keyboards on the market right now and they're measurably as fast as the best HE boards
If you're going to complain about the imperceptibly higher latency of having them wireless you have zero reason to dismiss TMR
And the battery life bit was also retarded, wireless peripherals last for days and you can have that shit charge overnight with no inconvenience to you

>>725707156
Gyro is what you want to use for shooters since larger arm movements gives you better precision than tiny thumb movements. You would use it in addition to your preference of stick or trackpad for large rough movements.

>>725676505 (OP)
for me it's the extra back paddles. Like seriously, why are the rest of them just doing one set, and forcing you to program it as an existing input?

>>725676505 (OP)
8bitdo ultimate c2 or something like that, it has hall effect for no drift and 2 extra buttons between the triggers that can be mapped to any other button so no more clicking joysticks for me, the Valve one has ugly trackpads so I'm not touching that shit

>>725707156
the upside of the trackpad over thumb sticks is you can tune the curve of acceleration and sensitivity, and even go as far as making it act like a trackball where if you swipe it it caries momentum. it really depends

>>725707842
ya probably this, gyro enabled with the haptic thumbstick face is a pretty good combo. you can also combine the gyro with a keybind so it will only do it while you are aiming down sights or stuff like that

>>725684003
wow what a completely useless feature on games. why the fuck would I want a controller so I can type mildly faster?

>>725694964
I dunno but my wired one finally kicked the bucket last week and I'm still seething

>>725707975
>why the fuck would I want a controller so I can type mildly faster?
Because you don't want to type with analog stick or swap to KB everythime you need to type anything in-game?

>>725708184
Dude playing typing games on his fagdeck lmao

>>725676505 (OP)
>you're
Makes you an illiterate faggot.

keeeeek the guy too cheap for a wireless keyboard when he's using the 'eck in desktop mode

>>725708285
I type. Deal with it.

>wireless keyboard
When you play on gamepad you don't want to use anything but gamepad itself. That's entire point. You wouldn't know it if you had a gamepad, poorfag.

>>725677159
no
sticks not being on the same level is the most retarded design flaw

>>725708621
You spaz on the duel laptop trackpads sexting your tranny zirlfriend

>>725684003
brown hand phenotype

>>725709001
It's my go-to video on the subject

>>725707750
>imperceptibly higher latency
Be honest with me. Do you even use the analog gimmick at all? If you care so much about latency, literally just use a regular switch and a wire. Get silvers or something with a higher actuation point and then call it a day. 1000hz is basically standard now and it will always be faster. A wire will always be faster. You can't have this long argument about latency and wireless and then suddenly say uh no actually it arbitrarily stops mattering when it's beneficial to my argument.

>And the battery life bit was also retarded, wireless peripherals last for days
A wireless keyboard, especially one running ZMK should last for MONTHS even on a hummingbird tier battery. HE power consumption was shit.

>>725680845
Literally not a singular console has ever been bricked directly by Nintendo you misinformation-spreading shill.
>preaproved software
oh noes, my horse cock mods and viruses!! lmao

I wonder if it will be possible to comfortably use the controller while the charging dongle is attached. It looks pretty light.

>>725709487
>newist dick on the 'eck picture

>>725709487
Nice dick

>>725710429
It has a USB-C connection for charging and inputs.

>>725708184
how about playing some damn games instead of typing shit on google?

>>725680845
>preapproved software
did you miss the wave of japanese anime games that valve is banning. it's not that different from other platforms

>>725711662
just buy them on dlsite and add to steam as a non-steam game for proton
or use lutris but it's funnier if you make steam run it anyway

>>725711815
wasn't dlsite also censoring now?

>>725711548
How about playing some good games that complex enough to utilize search functions? Hell even if you play console slop like skyrim where inventory was designed for gamepads it's awful to use it without search.

>>725711662
Ohh you mean those incest/rape games where Mastercard and Visa practically forced Valve to ban those kinds of games?
Same thing that happened to itch.io?
Totally the same thing.

>>725711887
I dunno, I pirate everything, but wherever you can get the uncensored .exe for you can just add it to steam and play it

>>725706249
>trackpad haters are just contrarian retards
Just fags who haven't touched the deck trackpads. They should be ignored

>>725676505 (OP)
Finally a reason for Xboxhueg to be legitimate.

>>725711976
The problem playing Skyrim with the controller is that there is really no place to bind the rape button.
But the trackpad is really great for playing civ4 from the couch. I still use my old steam pad for that weekly.

>>725710371
>automatic bricking for tampering is okay because... because i like them, ok????
sad

>>725711662
can valve ban you from using your pc for installing those games anyway?
no retard, kill yourself

>>725711976
>how about some complex games
>I won't mention which ones but I'll mention skyrim
lmao. also skyrim is PCslop since PC is the main platform for it and people still talk about modded skyrim

>>725714653
>can valve ban you from using your pc for installing those games anyway?
no but they can ban your account for trying to get DLC for free

>>725709663
>If you care so much about latency, literally just use a regular switch and a wire. Get silvers or something with a higher actuation point and then call it a day.
that's still slower than a TMR board you fucking ape
any conventional mech board is slower than basic hall effect and TMR is as fast as top tier hall effect

>>725677464
Depends
It makes RTS's/TTRPGs playable for sure
I wouldn't play FPSes with them obviously, although there is a crazy nigga in my friends list who plays CS2 on the deck

>>725714765
they can stop you from buying new shit at worst, the games are all still there and you can access them freely
besides that's supposed to be a point for consoles how? you can't even do that on them at all and doing so permanently bricks your console into offline mode and a hardware ban if you violate the self imposed curfew

>>725679207
>steam deck
>no gaems
Just the entirety of your steam library plus whatever the fuck you want to emulate.

Of all the things you could use to shit on the steam deck this is the hill you chose to die on huh