Shadowverse: Worlds Beyond Releasing June 17th @ 12PM JST!
>First Card Set: Legends Risehttps://youtu.be/FivirUEsdus?si=VcJ5us-UYpR3tdkV
https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/cards/pack/legends-rise/
>Gacha Leaders: Daria, Albert, Cerberus, Orchishttps://youtu.be/RaYi2z5_wWw?si=EWlnv-c46VFoT0Z3
https://youtu.be/HrrMWCtphAw?si=xVZmGtqD1Ef-cl3F
https://youtu.be/Q1zMKWRuBvA?si=o9QRXjy5ULaT2Zx5
https://youtu.be/6v2HeJ8aFig?si=ufxzfzqiqmdWJ7bB
Preregister for Shadowverse: Worlds Beyond!
https://preregistration.shadowverse-wb.com/en/
Worlds Beyond Trailer:
https://youtu.be/prCyDNLsiTI?si=ypMwipP2fpSIQ-zE
https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/
Shadowverse Anime
https://anime.shadowverse.jp
Shadowverse Evolve TCG
https://en.shadowverse-evolve.com/
Official deck portal
https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/deck/
/svg/'s card & leader database and deckbuilder
https://svgdb.me/
Decklists
https://shadowverse-wins.com/
https://shadowversemaster.com/decks
Previously:
>>527650094
>>527679524 (OP)More like Whales Beyond lmao
>>527679524 (OP)FAKE TITS
SILICONE INSIDE
>>527679896*panics even more*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>cant liquefy anything you want anymore, must have over 3 copies
>lower daily rewards because of free pack
>the free pack doesn't count towards pity
>can't hoard resources for expansions as much anymore due to the daily pack replacing part of the daily rewards
>accelerated schedule so you have to be a good goyim and pay up
>500 per pack
>210 daily
>>527680085they don't even exist anymore
Luminous Mage my beloved...
>>527680175>ladder won't be filled with net decks anymore, actually have to learn to build decks with limited resourcesBased changes
>>527680175>posting screenshots from the chinese servers with their CONFIRMED different ratesso sad
>>527680280>CONFIRMED different ratessource?
>>527680272whats wrong with net decks anyways.
you can play around the meta no?
>>527680175wait is this shit already out in Japan?
bring it back you fucking cowards
>>527680198its nice to finally have new art
>>527680118In fact, I forgot
>>527680197how can they fight like that?
>>527680175Why should we give a fuck about F2Poor retards?
Anyway how much would a meta deck cost? 50$? 100$?
>>527680427they should bring it back as a keyword
>>527680387yes, Japan got a head start
>>527680517>he thinks it's that cheapohnonono
>>527680175>schizo ritual poster before the game even comes out>>527680387those are pics from the chinese version idk if its the same for non chinese
https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=44387826&rand=39
>>527680382>you can play around the meta no?You really can't, unless your opponent is retarded and misplaying hard or your deck specifically counters theirs they will almost always win if they have a meta deck and you don't
It's over EoS hours before the official release
>>527680586Explain further.
There is just a single set so structure decks will be all viable, right? You can just grab some and build from there. It's not like MD launch with 10 trillions cards.
>>527679524 (OP) I need Dreizehn to spit in my mouth
>>527680175>cant liquefy anythingchanged because metafagging retards bricked themselves every single expansion
>lower daily rewards because of free packyeah because free pack makes it better than before
>the free pack doesn't count towards pitynobody but whales were hitting the pity
>can't hoard resources for expansions anymoreno fun allowed mentality nerfed? based
>accelerated schedulethat's why they're giving out free gibs
>210 dailyconveniently leaving out the weekly
yeah I'm thinking shadowbabs WON
>>527680175>free pack starts counting towards pityThere fixed your card game
>>527680551How big of a headstart? I don't play TCGs where the meta is behind JP and we already know its 3-6 months beforehand
Anne and Grea seem really disappointing, why do they even have the msyteria trait? Is there anything to interact with that? Or the Anathema trait?
>>527680989that anon lied to you
Beginner missions give you enough for a total of THREE PACKS!
Praise KMR
>>527680175>>the free pack doesn't count towards pityThis is literally a giant slap to the face and I don't expect this to remain when it launches.
>>527681085I played deresute and there were three sets of these missions, each with increasingly better rewards
nothingburger
The Economy of Shadowverse Worlds Beyond
>GOLD
Dailies reward 210 gold everyday
One pack cost 500 gold
>PULL RATES
The pull rates are the following
>Legendary pull rate is 1.500%
>Gold pull rate is 6.000%
>Silver pull rate is 25.000%
>Bronze pull rate is 67.440%
>FREE PACK
Everyday we get a free pack, but
>It expires the same day
>Can't be accumulated
>Doesn't count for pity
>Has lower rates for leaders
>HOW MUCH I NEED TO CRAFT A DECK?
Using the above numbers as reference:
>A single deck needs 9 Legendary on average (3 playsets)
>A single deck needs 15 Golds on average (5 playsets)
>There's 7 classes (plus neutral) diluting the card pool
>You can't vial what you get until you have full playset
This means that a player needs to actually open around 743 card packs of any given expansion on average to get enough cards to build a single deck
>VIALS
First off, you CANNOT vial/destroy cards until you have 3 of them previously.
You can only do it from the 4+ copy onwards.
The following are the crafting/vialing rates:
>3500 vials to craft 1 Legendary
>800 vials to craft 1 Gold
>On average you need 9 Legos per deck for a total of 31500 vials
>On average you need 15 Golds per deck for a total of 9000 vials
40500 vials to craft ONE deck
And we get:
>150 vials per day
>Can't vial cards until you have a playset (3 of them)
You actually need to play for 270 days (9 months) to be able to craft ONE deck
TLDR; As it is Shadowverse Worlds Beyond is very hostile to F2P
Crafting decks is not realistic (9 months to craft 1 deck)
Almost all the resources like gold and vials are dripfeed to ensure you can't make a deck on day one
By the time you finish make a deck as F2P 2 or 3 expansions are already out
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What the hell am I gonna do with 3 (three) packs?
>>527680905>no fun allowed mentality nerfed? basedYeah man being able to get a ton of new cards and build new decks day 1 was so unfun we really should be forced to wait 2 months instead
Why does china get the game before it's home country? I've been away for a while, did cygames get bought out by tencent at some point?
>>527680757At least in MD you can dust freely. And they gave a lot of free shits from the start that you can build a meta deck from the start.
>>527680905Donโt use my boy Niv for your avatarfagging with that shit takes.
>>527680905spot on
most of the whinging is coming from people who shamelessly netdeck every expansion
>>527681219man, I'm glad I don't live in China
>>527681219>As it isIT ISNT
THE GAME IS NOT OUT
3 PACKS
>3 PACKS
3 PACKS
>3 PACKS
3 PACKS
>3 PACKS
3 PACKS
>3 PACKS
3 PACKS
>3 PACKS
>>527680757Yeah, only 198 cards at launch
>>527681219>Has lower rates for leaders.Fucking why. Now Iโll never believe their pull rates
>>527681219it's truly fucking over huh, what the fuck
>>527681368>just build nothing but trash piles of bronzes and silvers bro
I am screenshotting every doompost and I will grudgepost the shit out of you. Your days are numbered, you have been warned.
I've been playing the old shadowverse CCG a bit in prep for worlds beyond. I know what all the types of craft do as far as their themes and approach to gameplay, but can shadowverse veterans help shed some light on which crafts have a higher concentration of busty characters vs those with lower concentration? Seems like runecraft and bloodcraft were pretty good with that, but for set one cards at least, the new abysscraft seems to have the most busty units in it
>>527680372my source is that I made it the fuck up!
>>527681219oh no no no no no no
>>527681581>noooo I need 12 diamond cards in my deck or I can't have fun! I WILL play the elephant and I WILL destroy your face with it
>>527681219That's a lot to read. Was it that bad?
>legendary drop rates are complete shit but balanced out by 10-pack pity
>half your daily rewards got turned into a free daily pack that doesn't count towards pity
Kekaroooooo
>>527681760>noooo I need 12 diamond cards in my deck or I can't have fun!You should've tried playing a poverty deck in late stage shadowverse rotation format where 20 legendaries were the minimum for most decks
>210 gold from dailies
>packs cost 500 gold
>muh pity
THIS is what you fags are crying about? I knew waifufags were retarded, but holy fuck.
>210 gold from dailies
>packs cost 500 gold
>be f2p
>make crap pile out of basic silvers and bronzes
>go to duel
>get farmed by whale
>go to duel
>get farmed by whale
>go to duel
>get farmed by whale
>go to duel
>get farmed by whale
>lose all duels
>complete my dailies on unrelated card games activities like fishing, decorating a house or watering digital plants
Is this the intended player experience?
Where you niggers getting the 500 thing from?
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Can't wait for the threads to be comfy again after the usual gacha doomposting ragebait baboons fuck off
Anonsโฆ please tell me Take 2 still existsโฆ at least I can hoard gold to play that formatโฆ pleaseโฆโฆ.
>>527682059well shit, I didn't consider this game being late stage shadowverse on day 1
>>527682413WHAT DO YOU MEAN DREIZHEN IS NOT MADE FOR (YOU)!!!???
>>527682240different pity
>>527681219Is the Take-2 format still a thing in shadoba 2? That's all that I care about. That and Luna's doll sleeves. I fear that I will desperately miss my doll sleeves from shadoba 1.
>>527682309are you blind?
>>527681330The chance of naturally opening dupes in MD Master Pack is infinitesimal small. Here currently we only have a single set so I can't imagine it to be that hard if you just recharge and buy a bunch of pack for vial (4th dupes onward).
>>527682445>>527682561Not on lauch but they said it will be added later
>>527682445wait at least 3 months
>>527682240I skipped multiple new expansions to hit spark for Mono back when I played.
I'd do it again, only now its several times harder for some reason.
>>527679524 (OP)is that the censored version? post the original
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Dimensional Climb is way too strong and should be nerfed
>>527682709>Not on lauchIt's over.
>>527682735Does this cuck still plays HS to this day? Haven't heard of him since 2016
>>527682637>have 15k cards>have special packs to give specific cards that you need>but only half of the pack
>>527681219dsicord is doomposting now its all over
>>527682465>on day 1Things will always get worse, so if they're already this bad during the relatively generous launch period, the game will be unplayable in a year's time
>>527682926He plays Bazaar and PoE now.
>>527682759Mono is good taste.
>>527682709>>527682738>LaterThey even delayed this gameโs release. What makes them taking so long to add shits.
>>527682825this isn't d-shift
>>527681219>they hated him because he told the truth
Dragoncuck, are you here with us?
>>527682992okay I don't give a fuck? I quit SV1 after 3 months and I'll do the same this time
Yugioh Master Duel
>can open 4 packs everyday
MTG Arena
>can open 3 packs everyday
Pokemon Pocket TCG
>can open 2 packs everyday
New Shadowverse
>can open 1 pack everyday
>>527682861Makes sense with the smaller card pool but yeah, I feel you. Draft always is the best mode in any card game
>>527683173Your input on a game you're not even going to play is highly valued
>>527683173>so what if they fuck me in the ass! i only let them do it for 3 months!!
Shadowba newfriend here I have a few things I'm confused about. I see people saying you can pull alternate leader art. This interests me because the basic leaders mostly look bad. Is there alts for every leader? Any way to target a specific one or do I just have to hope to get lucky?
The other question I had was I heard you get too choose a free deck? Do we know what cards are in those decks? The pictures seem to show a legendary card, do we actually get that card or is it just showing off the class?
>I wanted to save my gold to buy packs at the start
The more you take, the less you have. You will starve surrounded by gold.
>I can't play the game if I don't have the meta deck
Your gaze lingers too long on others' light. In time, you will forget how to kindle your own.
>>527682735this stupid fucking canadian cuck who doesnt eat meat should kill kimself
>>527680517Based whalebro saying it how it is! (Until he realizes the game is dead again because no f2p means no players)
>>527683292>Any way to target a specific oneThere is a spark at 250 or was it 350?
>>527683183>New Shadowverse >>can open 1 pack everydayUhh actually it's every 2 and a half days...
>>527683183Shadowverse packs are twice as big as the other three games thoughbeit
>>527683401> implying gacha addicts would leaveEven MtG Arena is still not dead.
>>527683183>Yugioh Master DuelDid Komoney make secret packs for actually relevant cards? I sure did love being forced to craft cards because I can't pull for them because they left rotation :^)
Having to craft Traptrix cards because they aren't in the Traptrix secret pack is super cool :^)
>>527683268is that disguised toast?
>>527683183I will wait until I see it in-game.
Gonna give them the benefit of the doubt since there's simply no way they believe they can pull off a heist like this and get away with it.
I would literally uninstall within minutes otherwise.
>>527683560Arena is in the red actually, you can look at shareholder presentations.
They're keeping it alive because it converts players into the paper, which is where the money comes from.
Most games are not free to play so I'm not sure why people are mad... You can't make money without charging for things so why are people mad they are making money?
>the biggest positive of SV1 was the generosity
>popular perception was
>"shit meta, but the game is generous as fuck"
>SV2 removed all the generosity
>if the meta is bad, there's literally not a single positive to outweigh it anymore
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
Iโm playing Shadowverse the game on my switch enjoy paypiggies on the phone pay to win haha
>>527683292>Is there alts for every leader?As of now, only for Abyss, Portal, Sword and Rune but every craft should get one eventually
Any way to target a specific one or do I just have to hope to get lucky?
...Pray to RNG (there's a pity tho)
>Do we know what cards are in those decks?Not yet (tho you could find the lists on a jap stream or something since they already have access to the game). I guess each deck will give their featured legendary
>>527683292>Is there alts for every leader? Any way to target a specific one or do I just have to hope to get lucky?There are four gacha ones in the first expansion, and you can't target one. Their trailers are in the OP.
>Do we know what cards are in those decks?All the cards in the first set are here: https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/deck/
But we don't know what most of the prebuilts look like yet.
>>527683735>you have to spend $70 for a new high quality game so why are people mad you have to spend $300 for a deck in a shitty mobile card game?
Wth does gain an Earth Sigil mean?
>>527683870We know Filene is both coming and a leader next expac so that just leaves Forest and Haven.
>>527683567They do add new secret packs and update the old ones sometimes. Having to craft some cards is a lesser evil imo, since the game's pretty generous
>>527683984> here is the number pulled out of my ass
it smells like poor in here
Iโm a neet I canโt afford cards
>>527684030It's a token that fills your board and gets used up to activate earth rite effects.
>>527683292The alt-art leaders weren't the only alternative leaders in the first game, although they often were the popular ones. They would also periodically release leaders as either part of event rewards or premium cash shop purchases.
Again, the above was in regards to shadowverse 1. I haven't done my homework on shadowverse 2, but I assume that if you simply want a DIFFERENT leader then at some point in the future it will be as easy as partaking in a event or opening your wallet for the cash shop. But if you want a specific one of those alt-art leaders, then you're going to need to get lucky or forcibly spark a set.
>>527684108You must be smelling yourself Ranjeesh
>>527684158So why doesnt it say summon a magic sediment?
Invite me to the honest guild
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>>527684158>fills your boardNot any more, Stack is by default now.
>>527684391India just passed Japan as the fourth largest economy :)
>>527684358there were also a set of rupee leaders permanently available, including bampy. hoping thats how luna and arisa will work
>>527684547I forgot those were bought with rupees. I just knew that they were in the shop.
discord raiders/jeets found the thread
>open thread
>greedy currency fuckery
nyoooooo.....
>>527684496On the one hand, I have trust issues with India on the other hand, Japan is a joke and is going the way of Korea.
>>527684574you asked by hurting the feelings of 1.4 billion Indian people
>>527684547>>527684759There were also some free one I think, at least Nexus for Portal. I wonder if they will give us some in SV2
>>527684906Indians aren't people so it's ok.
>>527684831Korea is better than Japan now
wait did i get baited into dling this? its not a generous game now?
>see /svg/ doomposting about the economy
>"must be only shitposters"
>check the Shadowverse subreddit
>everyone is doomposting about the economy
>people are hesitant to install and play the game
Bros...
>>527684979Iโm a person bitch
>>527685167We don't know yet
>>527685207I'm leaving a bad review the next time I hear you when I call customer service.
>>527684106True, if you need roughly 150 packs to make a deck with 9 legendaries, at 100 crystals per pack and 5000 crystals costing 80 dollars it's actually only $240 for a deck, that's MUCH better!
>>527684082I can craft any card in Shadowverse using vials. I have to get UR dust to make UR cards. Being forced to roll for shit I don't want to dust it to craft what I actually want isn't generous when all the new cards are all fucking UR. I logged into Master Duel a few months back and couldn't roll anything for snake eyes because it wasn't in rotation and no secret pack.
>>527685321Incredibly made up numbers.
this is very concerning
was going to whale for battle pass but will now do reconsider
>return to magic arena, ygo, or hearstone
>handed free cards and packs constantly
>able to get the newest sets 80% done in a week f2p
>shadowverse was known as the f2p friendly king tcg
>shadowverse 2 gets rid of that
grim
That's it I've had it with games giving poorshits a chance against me. If sv2 ends up being f2p friendly I'm taking my 500 dollars and buying magic final fantasy packs instead.
>>527685350There is one now, bro ! https://www.masterduelmeta.com/articles/sets/sinful-serpents-stare
What if isn't 500 rupee per pack and the image is just showing the player has 500 gold? What if it's 100 rupee per pack like og sv?
>>527685560no wonder, you're playing ygo
>>527685205>reddit can you check the 'cord and report back? Thanks
>>527685670Don't listen to the retarded doomposting based off of schizo misunderstandings and just wait 5 hours until you can see the economy for yourself.
I only ever played take two, and collecting cards was never a problem
funny how gachatards started shilling korea after blue archive came out
so if i was planning on being a light spender, maybe 15-30 bucks each set I shouldnt bother with this game now?
>>527685670Bro......... the only actual cope that would make sense is the differences to CN server.
>>527685913Yes itโs over weโre all playing hearthstone and the bazaar now
>>527685663Thanks, Anon! Won't be playing YGO when it's a shit game of who drew the roach, does he have called by, and combo fags taking five minutes to play!
>>527685797If it's actually just 100 gold than we'll be SO back...
f2p here am i allowed to play?
>what are weeklies
>what are events
>what are achievements other one time rewards
>what are maint and other special rewards
I've been playing gacha games for close to a decade now and I have yet to find one that didn't allow you to succeed as a poor if you were dedicated enough. Sure you'll never be number one but you can be plenty successful and have plenty of fun without spending a dime if you are just willing to put in a bit of time every day. I have zero doubt this game will be any different.
>>527685913The game's economy seems broadly similar to the first game. You get overall roughly the same amount of resources per month, they're just more skewed towards resources you have to use right there instead of resources you can save up. It's playable f2p, but f2pcels don't get all the tier 0 meta netdecks on the first month of a set - they have to wait a month before they can get them.
>>527685565Heh I remember wanting to play Branded and Dino so badly on MD that I made a new account and crafted them easily. Meanwhile MTG requires me to play an entire season just to build ONE deck.
>f2poors having a melty from a random unconfirmed leak that only showed some random info with literally 0 context
There's a reason why he is called the Cygenerous guy.
You just have to trust the plan.
>>527682825But it doesn't do anything.
>>52768627318 mana do nothing, rune is finally dead.
>>527686196never stop bee living
its actually so fucking over man, how could they fuck this up so bad? they had time to look at magic, hearthstone, and master duel and this is what they come up with?
>>527685726I'm bored, so I opened ygo again after doing dailies to bully some retards running blue eyes and tenpai
>>527685670The purchase button literally says 500
>>527686273>But it doesn't do anything.
>>527686093>f2pcels don't get all the tier 0 meta netdecks on the first month of a set - they have to wait a month before they can get them.What's even the point in playing then? Having to grind for a month with cheap aggro decks every single set until you can build a real deck is fucked
Not to mention they shortened the expansion cycle to 2 months so 1 month is literally half the lifespan of a deck
Which CCG's you've been playing while waiting for SV2 release?
>>527686818The shortened expansion cycle is only for the first several expansions. It's going back to the normal cycle after that.
>>527686543>they had time to look at magic, hearthstone, and master duelThey looked at pokemon tcg pocket instead
Honest question, IF the 500 gold pack is true and IF the economy is bad for F2P.
What makes Cygames so confident that the game won't flop?
>>527686880i installed this then went back to throwback rot and take two
>>527686037Even with all that stuff, changes like needing 4+ copies of a card before you can vial is just bad design. Some players will obviously have no interest in certain classes or decks and not letting them use those cards are resources for something they actually want to play just because will make the game appear as less F2P friendly.
Of all the other available digital card games or simulators, only Duel Links comes close to having a mechanic this bad, which is entirely regressive compared to the original SV's design.
How much do I have to pay to play swordcraft?
People still play MTGA and Duel Links, so SV being a bit jewish is nothing burger
>>527686880ygo tag force 6
>>527687019MTGA literally doesn't have a vialing system at all. The economy there is absolute ass.
>>527686947>The shortened expansion cycle is only for the first several expansionsThe normal cycle is now 2 months, the shortened expansion cycle for the first few expansions is 1 month so you don't actually get to play your deck at all, might as well just save up all your gold for the next few months
>>527687153What do you do with extras?
Do you fucking trade pngs?
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>>527686037Ummm bro? This isnt a gacha, you dont have minigame events and shit. Although I do kinda hope that they follow the gacha model
>>527687242you get wildcards you trade for the card you want
>>527686993sv1 was a flop too, shadoba is just KMR's passion project
>>527687317We'll have black pride month on shadow park.
Shadoba lost the only positive it had, generosity. F2Pchads.. we're no longer welcome here.
how the fuck did they make a worse monetization system than magic arena?
>>527679524 (OP)new person playing shadowverse, looking at all the decks and found alot of the cheap portal cards letting you build a bigass gundam, are there any other gundam combo cards I should know of?
>>527687242Above 4 dupes you get wildcard of the same rarity and can only be used to craft cards of said rarity.
So you have to pull the 5th dupes of the same fucking mythic to get a mythic wildcard to craft one specific mythic you need.
>>527687484cygay has fallen
ONE PACK, I DON'T KNOW WHY
I roll for waifu who gives a shit about meta. It barely even matters since these games are tuned to force close to 50/50 no matter what. Medussy and Cerb leader are the only draws that matter.
I genuinely thought SV2 was a simulator for SVE. Is this because SVE is developed by bushiroad not cygames?
>>527687612In shadowverse 1, portals' most powerful deck revolved around using weaponized autism to draw damn near your entire deck and overwhelm your opponent with an army of geometric shapes. Your main threat was the turn timer stopping you before you could finish resolving all of your stuff.
>>527687612Thats the only one
>>527686880I'm playing mtg arena.
Ironic how 9 years ago mtg was considered a more slow grindy game than svg while today average mtg game takes less turns than average svg one.
>save up packs for months
>finally 250
>cant wait to get a new leader
>get screwed with a lobby avatar instead
>>527687893I hate red so damn much man
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/36960-tcg-card-shop-simulator-nsfw-texture-replacer/
or the less sovl version
https://www.nexusmods.com/tcgcardshopsimulator/mods/199
Shadoba 2 equivalent mods when?
>>527685670Alright, I was dooming, but here is a better quality image. I'm looking at it closer, the number behind the pop up, it's not 500, it's something ",500". There's a number not visible before the ,
What if it's actually 1500 or 2500 for 10 packs. I'm on some high-grade copium here...
Back in the day, like 5-ish years ago I used to play golem runecraft, will there be a similar deck on release?
>>527687683I HAVE TO SPEND MY WHOLE PAYCHECK TO BUY
500 mira for a fucking pack
>>527687893How many turns?
>>527686880Arena and smashing people with my wife.
lmao if the game is this trash with currency where do we go?
>>527688163the bottom right is 50, which is the same as our daily 50% deal for crystals
>>527688110Cringe porn addict
>>527687893I fucking loved MTG back in the day, but it slowly started becoming not as fun. I can't really point it out, but it's like they started streamlining the interesting mechanics and then adding weird ones that felt really limited. Like deckbuilding itself became really boring and you couldn't play around as much.
>>527687893Not that surprising given the continuous increase in creature power level. Longer rotation also gives more options to optimize and all the decks are busted, so if you are not losing to fast aggro, you are losing to late game value machines or barely-interactive combo decks. Honestly surprised that it took them this long to get here.
If you want some of the old mtg flavors you'd have to draft, and even those can get pretty fast.
>>527688552back to discord, sister!
>>527687804havent seen any APM cards in SV2 but im sure they'll eventually show up
>>527687861sweet, good to know
>>527688423the fuck did i just watch
Red in Magic has been cancer for almost 30 years.
>>527688110Just watch porn at this point
>>527688846Why are you afraid of the female body? Are you gay?
>>527688785dude on the left played a card
dude on the right can no longer play any spells in his deck for the rest of the game so he resigns
>>527688110Based, card games need more tits
>>527688785An entire magic match
>>5276887852 autistic virgins playing cards
>>527688916If you are completely incapable of playing a game without having to think of tits every 5 seconds not only do you have ADHD, you have porn brainrot ADHD.
Worse part is that it's sloppa of all things
>>527688585Where the fuck do you think you are normalfag wannabe. KYS off my board
>>527688696why are you calling me "sister", you dumb faggot
>>527688163more information:
the 50 something you see on the image is what I'm assuming to be the free 1 pack per day (1ๅคฉ1ๆฌก, literally 1 per day) or I guess that
>>527688580on the left side, you see there are two packs you can pull on, they are both Legends' Rise. but the one not highlighted have a bonus (้่ต ็นๅ
ธ) and a tag with a 30 days left.
My theory is that it's the permanent banner with a shittier rate, basically the equivalent to a scam banner in a gacha. We don't actually get to see what's the other banner with a special bonus is.
is there like safe bets of good legendaries to rerolll for
>>527689037If you are completely incapable of enjoying something unless it's safe for grandmothers you have american brainrot.
>>527688110good morning sir
>>527687208Or you can just play regular good tier 1-2 decks instead of tier 0 netdecks and still win if you're good at the game. Unfathomable, I know.
guys there is a thing in sv2 like magic arena where u can buy multiple packs at once...he bought 5 packs at once for 500 currency
>>527689201please tell me thats a boy
>>527688585>>527688846>>527689037You forgot to add "diddy aah blud". Zoomer fags.
>>527688164yes earth rite rune spams guardian golems
>>527689063Seek help you're ruining your life
>>527689256Goofy ogre ahhh blud post
>>527688674>>527688827I fucking loved these 2 games bros...
Ironically enough it was also the monetization that played a big part in killing the game, just two opposite extreme.
>>527689067you know why you fucking pajeet fuck off back to your discord
>>527689362whx are you acting like a nintentroon?
>there are "people" terrified of anime boobs in 4chin now
Grim
>>527689267>>527689208Projecting reddit niggers fuck off
Why the hell invited these losers
>>527689472actual children and retarded zoomers
I miss the cozy dead threads...
>>527689472Some people are uncomfortable with gooner ahhh games
>Why the hell invited these losers
>>527688964What's the card name? I want to see what retarded shit I have missed for years.
>>527689118I don't think scam banner translates into this game, because that'd imply you can pull base set cards from any pack?
>>527682759Leaders are meant to be for paying customers, not for f2poor hoarders.
Open your free pack and be happy.
newbro here who do i reroll
>>527688423me when i play glistening angel
>>527689610go back to /lgbt/, nigger
>>527689709Rune is tier 0.
>uggg
>gross
>sexuality in my anime game
>that's just nasty I don't want to masturbate all over my screen
>also you're an incel if you don't cheer and support bestiality and uncensored trans sex in baldars gate 3 and the last of us 2
Reminder that the other side doesn't care and just wants power. They will do and say anything they can to get that power, they don't actually believe anything they are saying. They have no morals, they stand for nothing except whatever will get them the most power in the moment. Tomorrow they will stand for something else if it will get them more power. Don't fall for their traps.
>Why the hell invited these losers
>>527689643Magus of the Moon.
>>527679524 (OP)Anyone know if DKayed is gonna stream this tonight? Im not a particular fan, and regardless of your opinions on him in general, i always thing its good to get a game like this sponsored by a big streamer in the genre so that it doesn't go under the rug, especially day 1, and especially when not many people even know shadowverse is getting a sequel.
>>527683183>Yugioh Master Duel>>can open 4 packs everydayNo, you can't?
>>5276882911 YEAR DELAY, KEEP THAT IN MIND
>>527689226>Or you can just play regular good tier 1-2 decks instead of tier 0 netdecks and still win if you're good at the game.Tier 1-2 decks are still expensive, they're just in bad classes
Budget decks are closer to tier 4
>>527689472fucking flatfags
Why can't they just implement the Dispenser system from Limbus Company?
>>527689837he said he fucking hates mana card games but he will probably still do a sponsored stream this sunday
>>527690098If companies were forced to make gacha like limbus they would actually have to try and make the game interesting with story and gameplay and you know that is beyond their abilities. Limbus is a terrible gacha but a great game and it only succeeds because it had a built in loyal fanbase who appreciates their efforts and gives them money just to see more.
Other gacha games couldn't pull it off even if they tried.
Please, /svg/. I implore you. For a single day. Just one day. Try playing without thinking about the meta. Open some packs and build your own decks.
ONE PACK, NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
>>527690282Bro, it made the gacha much worse and in turn made the game worse. you cant just disconnect the "game" from a "gachagame".
>>527690098>new set releases>can't craft cards with vials during launch week>previous set and all of its cards are now unobtainable for the next 3 monthsNo thanks
Someone post the best meta deck so I can rush it
>>527690392objectively a good system, if you want the cards week 1, just whale
>>527690157he hates all card games except Yugioh if we are to be honest.
>>527690330im already playing custom matches with tournament players using the new cards
>>527690282please tell me thats a boy
>>527690382You haven't even played the game you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>527689694>because that'd imply you can pull base set cards from any pack?It's possible d.e.s.u
I just checked and there are no Gold nor Legendary cards in the base set, so basically think of the 2* and 3* in a gacha.
Or we could be getting all of them for free, doubt it though.
>>527690330Gonna try to build around this stupid thing and stacking Burnia's Crest in a different deck.
>>527690429game isnt even out yet fucking retarded zoomer
>>527690282>Limbabs glazingLimbus isn't shit compared to Lob or Ruina. Kim selling out for gacha money is the biggest middle finger PM ever gave to it's fans
>>527690330A lot of people play card games not to build decks but to win and only to win. I used to think that we have fewer of those fags here but that is just wishful thinking at this point.
>>527690582I agree, Lob and Ruina were shit, Limbus isn't
what did they even delay the game for? whats been added?
>>527689905
they opened the servers early lol
>>527690687had to spend the time genning more AI for card art
>>527690282bwhahahahahahah average gachabab glazing his favorite gacha.
sure hope this game won't have this kind of bootlicker
>>527690582That's nice dear but your strawman doesn't have anything to do with the conversation at hand. We aren't comparing limbus to previous moon games we are comparing it to other gacha games. Please try to stay on topic in future replies.
>>527690580Not an argument
>>527690687Nothing was added, but lots of things got removed like fishing and mahjong.
>>527690452>objectively a good systemDude could you imagine
>new set releases, pushes a certain class to tier 0>half the cards in the deck are in a set that's no longer available and its cards are locked from craftingIt'd just drive extreme fomo where people start collecting cards speculating "just in case" the next set has some broken shit that'll push it to tier 0 only for them to be unable to build the deck and we really don't need more predatory gacha practices in this game
>>527690486I played it right until el director got greedy, you fucking nigger.
>>527690687they removed mahjong, fishing and raids
did the collective toilet of /vg/ and /vmg/ get wind of this game or something? I read the previous threads yesterday and everything was far more on-topic and relevant to shadowbabs but now there's tons of lingo from the typical gacha toilet gens
>>527690330You could never imagine even 1% of the pain a meta player feels every time he's forced to play a suboptimal deck.
>>527690860yea the schizos moved over to here
>>527690765I don't even play the game but it is objectively one of the most generous gacha games out there. It basically plays like a single player game and you can get everything you want very easily. You never need to spend anything unless you just want to give them money.
how long are games in sv
pic related me loading up my hs tracker and sorting by time
How about you limbus balls
>>527690330losing isn't fun and shadowverse isn't skill based enough to be able to outplay meta decks
Rate my hybrid pile
19:21
13 on spellboost
>>527690796JO crystal dragon is the best deck in the format.
>>527690860no /vmg/ is still where it has been, complaining about yuri.
>>527690860That happens with every new gacha
>>527690860Someone made /v/ threads
>>527679524 (OP)I love that WB is finally here but I wish the anime cards come out soon or I may drop out early. I still worry for the future card design though because just escaping the spaghetti code just for lack of former mechanics and lack luster mechanics seems to be next issue.
>>527690860Yes, you can clearly see the same pattern of shitposting you see on big gacha generals.
>>527690820oh right I forgot chinks are in the threads now
yeah yeah, the 1 week delay killed and betrayed the game, hurt the feelings of chinese people, glory to CCP, etc
>>527690954>how long are games in svless than 10 minutes
games are intended for jpn salarymen to play on their poop break
>>527690860It's always like this a few hours away from a gacha launch. /vg/ thrives on new blood and everyone is coming here to feast. Just have to ride it out for a few weeks until they get bored and go back to their home generals.
>>527690954They are engineered to be short enough that Tanaka-san can play 2-3 games during his 15 minute commute.
>>527689201It had a pretty fun concept tbdesu, loved playing Wesker and Nergigante
>>527690860Shadowverse somehow always brings the gremlins out. The first shadowverse basically started the death of /mbgg/ on this board due to all of the drama and shitposting it generated around release.
>>527690687My information may be wrong but I heard its because the proprietor of the game engine WB was built on raised their license fees so they had to delay the game to rebuild it on an entirely new engine. Some of the shit like mahjong got removed in the process because they couldn't be fucked.
>tease puppets with pre-built
>entire set AND basics are artifact centered
>>527690954It rarely goes beyond turn 10.
>>527690954>48 minutesYou can't be serious.
>>527691168Bro they are called gacha leaders for a reason
>>527690860This is how it goes when a new gacha is about to release in /vg/, it gets filled with shitposters baiting each other as people flock to see the new thing.
Then every shitpost gets amplified for easy (You)s and it goes on for a few days until shitposters stop getting attention and they go back to their gacha generals or something else releases.
This is unironically par for the course and it happens every single time.
>>527691168It's a gacha-like
>>527691196Puppetcucks deserve to suffer.
>>527691168>has hot anime women>costs ridiculous amounts of money to get enough dupes>is required by law to list rates for each characterI dunno, it seems kinda sus to me
How do nerf refunds work if you can liquefy cards?
>>527691242Modern hearthstone is whack
>>527691168its gacha coded and it has pull rates
its the same
>>527691168You're right it's a DCGG.
>>527681219I just want to know when Cygames lost the plot, Worlds Beyond and UmaEN are so late, and both are getting sent into a hell cycle of sped up releases for a bit (Uma looks to have it way worse than we do)
>>527691242Probably half of that was one turn getting stuck on the rope forever as ten million queued animations were playing out.
card games are the original gacha game
>>527691318They said on stream you get free vials for every copy you own.
>can't do shit with your cards unless you have 4 or more copies
Heh, meanwhile in The Bazaar your entire collection is stored in a form of NFTs that you can resell for REAL WORLD MONEY.
Japanese hack developers could never. Enjoy wasting your time instead of earning money.
>>527691523>No Female TouchOpinion dismissed.
>>527691251Shit's tiring, and pathetic
>>527691523Worked so well for Valve's Artifact
Which version of sv1 were you guys playing that was more f2p friendly than wb? I basically never get more than 100-200~ packs on a set in rupies unless I skip opening some sets to focus on other ones.
>>527691523I'll never play your troon card game
>>527691523Bazaar dropped the nft thing for obvious reasons. We still just have a bunch of card cosmetics sitting around being unusable though since you don't need more than one copy, but they are going to introduce some kind of market on their own so you can trade them for in game currency presumably.
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Gonna be a while before I can actually afford this deck, I wonder how many classes besides haven with Rune vomiting on the board turns 7, 8, 9.
>>527691704It's literally just ragebait FUD posted for the (You)'s.
>>527691168>IT'S NOT A FUCKING GACHAWait until you realize all CCGs were Gachas before gachapon machines were even a thing.
>caught up with thread
So you mean to tell me the game is censored AND they gutted f2p incomes? What? This has to be a joke? No way they are that stupid.
>>527691168A gacha is any game with monetary incentivization to gamble for digital content.
So long as there is premium currency and a 0.06% pull rate for leaders, its a gacha.
What is the cunniest class?
>>527691770Why do the cards still look like they are from a 2016 low budget mobile ccg?
Oh shit, I didn't realize that Shadowverse released on this exact same day nine years ago. Happy birthday, Arisa!
>>527691770Why are you playing Satan
>bazaar created by the owner of tempo storm and a master card game player
>shadowverse 2 created by greedy corpo bastards
>>527691879Ding Dong motherfucker
>>527691581>>527691607>>527691737You'll come back begging on your knees after your flop flops tomorrow.
It's already getting reviewbombed on Steam, lmao!
>>527691982Rage of Bahamut is from 2011 actually.
Hey,
Do you guys play Duel Masters Play's?
>>527692070buy an ad Reynad
>>527679524 (OP)is there anything I should do before this comes out?
>>527691607Meh, it was a big part, but it wasn't what killed Artifact. What killed Artifact was Valve was being too prideful to live with a failure and didn't try to fix it, so they killed it after 2 fucking months. That really left a bad taste of Valve in me. If they kept going, the game had a dedicated enough community to keep the economy floating.
LoR was in the red for basically its entire lifespan (before they killed off PvP), and also in some fiasco with the monetization model at launch (for being too anti-whale, funnily enough) but Riot actually kept it running for years and tried to come up with different solutions, so I'll always appreciate them for that.
I really liked both game though.
>>527687252OH DA MEMORIES
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Remeber to buy Luna at the shop!
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Is this a good Roach template? Wondering if it's even worth it to play Amataz when he will conflict with Grasshoper and make the combo less consistent. Also not sure how many Grasshoper to even play. The more you play the weaker it is.
>>527688493Wait, we really are the same
This is the fate of all shadowbros if you don't join the guild.
>>527692070>oivey the bazaarGame runs like crap
And the creator's naive idea got usurped by corporate greed and promptly moved into scummy monetization, which was VERY obvious because he literally had zero plan for how to actually support funding the game itself, thus did some NA ***s weasel themselves into the project
It also stopped being a card game and turned into autobattler slop
Whereas Shadoba could and was F2P for many, and the monetization was pretty standard and unintrusive, often cosmetic.
>>527691168>IT'S NOT>A FUCKING>GACHA
>>527692316>buywhy should i pay for a starter leader from the previous game?
justify it
Any last minute cleaning stuff i should do on classic before release ?
>>527689523lmao just notices how pajeet this makes me look
I admit I might have a problem. Got 2.5 hours of sleep after edging to NTR h-games, then worked a 12 hours shift.
>>527692519m-maybe you can buy with rupees...aha.....
Bazaar is not even a card game. It's auto battler.
>>527692519because the base leader of the new game fucking sucks
>>527692553we have all been there I think
>>527690860out of curiosity i took a look at some of the generals of games mentioned here and i do see people mentioning it in addition to someone trying to get /v/ thread going, so there's a inflow of newcomers, returnees and bored shitposters checking /svg/ out atm
>>527692025Turn 10 Cocytus into Dimension climb draws the satan cards when you refill your hand if your hand is low. It gives an alternate wincon to Kuon that doesn't need a super evolve point.
>>527692519>She is sexy>she is cute>she is funny>it replaces the retarded default generic monster man they have for abyss leader. Why do i even need to explain the basics?
>>527692553>Got 2.5 hours of sleep after edging to NTR h-gamesbased, recommend me some
I main bloodcraft btw
>>527692396Is that forced feminization?
>>527692624>>527692673you somehow missed the part where it should have been free
>>527692667Interesting. Honestly sounds like a better general wincon than Kuon.
>>527691770What's the point of 3 sagelight if you're not playing earthrite?
No leader from the battle pass?
>>527688552join me in *cough* dear *hack* days *wheeze* 2
Not even good looking girl in this game, ygo always win
>>527692740well then type that out next time retard
>>527689472nothing based about being as degenerate as faggots.
I want my slow general, doomposting free back
>>527692753Solely for the healing
>>527692761There is, but we've only seen the silhouette. Hair looks like Juno, but the sleeves are poofy.
>>527690098I don't think that really translates to a card game.
>>527692740didnt they remove luna at some point in the OG game and then you had to buy her again during 4th anni (if you didnt already own her)?
>>527692928There's an HSR livestream on Friday. The /vmg/ 'cord raiders will move back there if people don't stop giving them (You)s here by then.
How expensive is the new Shadowverse monetization compared to other gachas?
>>527690330I am going to netdeck all the decks anon posted here and see how well they work out
Which crafts do i play if i support trans right?
>>527693291Abyss so you can kys
>>527693206>oivey the pity if you whaleYeah but most people F2P or barely pitch in a few bucks for the cheap deals and end up with full accounts regardless.
>but you can give the money to nintendo insteadI mean I also just won't.
>>527693291Portal, Dreizehn has already gotten top surgery.
>>527691242Just an average Cardfight Vanguard match
An Uma card game would be more successful, cygames fucked
>>527692928>>527693136I'm not sure what either of your deals are but if its a dead thread you want, you'll get your wish after the scummy monetization ruins your launch and drives away all your players.
Crazy how much worse the threads got just today.
>>527692683My man. Yuzuki is my waifu. They better step up on the blood cards for abyss.
3 that stood out to me recently
RJ01006672-Amelia Falls
RJ01095162-NTRKnight - kino
The Hero's NTR Adventure - kinda ugly fetish art but I like it
>>527693291Abyss
Just get your HP down to 0 as quickly as possible.
No need to run payoff cards.
>>527693291Blood and Shadow were certified Discordcrafts in the SV1 so Abyss.
>>527693749>news of the game being a cash grab anti-f2p>surprised people complainwow
>>527693817The only news was that cards were released. And the monetisation looks quite f2p frirendly.
Now that SV1 is over what was the most cancerous meta it had? Spawn of abyss?
I sexy like succubus and vampires not dumb ugly skellies and smelly zombies...they should've made blood's identity self-sacrifice with discard aside from hp loss
>>527693206>>527693701>>527693817So which general is this shitposter from anyway?
Is it really just a bazaar fag?
btw pay up piggy or you won't get new bazaar cards either for months until after they're power crept while others will stomp you, or the paypiggies will all just move to a new lobby
>>527693875The last one with wrath
>>527692673I will play monster man and IMPREGNATE Luna
>>527693875There were worse meta's after it, but Wonderland did by far the most damage to the game.
>>527693874>And the monetisation looks quite f2p frirendly.Paid shill or just delusional/ignorant?
>>527693875Every Rune and Aggro meta
>>527694037Wonderland was alright, often a healthy midgame meta. Few bullshit cards.
>>527692208yes, wish it would come over to global. there aren't many games that can fill the over the top CCG niche it excels at.
been enjoying the latest set
>>527693982it's a handful faggots from /v/. They posted the same shit in that thread.
Levi dirt burn was honest btw
Pro tip being a contrarian and hating the bazaar isnโt a personality trait
>>527692878Take the dick out of your mouth so people can understand you.
>>527693946>I sexy like succubus and vampires not dumb ugly skellies and smelly zombies...But they always go hand in hand. Sexy succ girls beget dried fish men. You'd be a skelly or a zombie too after meeting one of those girls!
>>527693778thanks fellow blood NTRchad
for me, it's Laura and Katya
>>527693875Gotta be Alice or Eachtar.
>>527694297Don't even know what bazaar is, that auto battler in hearthstone?
>Wake up
>Make a cup of coffee
>Initiate Shadowverse Worlds Beyond
>Be welcome by the generous offer of buying 1 pack for $10.99
>Skip as I'm a proud F2P
>Proceed to play in the Mahjong minigame to complete my first daily
>Lose 10 times in a row since the table is full chinese and japanese Mahjong masters
>Proceed to play in the fishing minigame to complete my second daily
>The Shadowverse "Paimon" spams over and over again how hungry she is from all the fish I caught
>Proceed to play in the Soccer minigame to complete my third daily
>Lose 20 times in a row since it's filled with Brazilian players
>Earn 210 gold for all my troubles
>Proceed to open my daily FREE pack before it expires
>9 Bronze cards
>1 Silver card
>Add the silver card to my random-pile deck
>Proceed to play in the Shadowverse Worlds Beyond ranking mode
>Get paired against whale playing Aggro Sword feat. Amelia
>Lose in 3 turns
>Get paired against whale playing Dalia Turbo
>Lose in 9 turns after he burned me for 20 from hand
>Get paired against whale playing Forest Roach
>Lose in turn 7 since my opponent bounced Roach 10 times in a single turn and went for the OTK
We are so fucking back. This is the premium Shadowverse experience.
People keep saying there were worst metas after Alice. I played till Tempest, give me a rundown of worst metas after that.
>>527693982I bet is a hoyotroon or wuwabot. does fucker are alway scare of the BIG MISTAKE THAT WILL EOS AND DROVE PLAYERS AWAY.
dunno how hard it'd be to get legendary cards but building the 5-stat gundam minions and summoning them onto the board to clear the enemy board or heal you repeatedly seems decent to me
>>527694118Well I played SV1 F2P and I had literally everything I need all the time, and this game has the same monetisation except you get more cards/decks. People are complaining you can't vial non-dupes but I never did that anyway because of completionist autism.
>>527694618Roach is a budget deck lunafag. Whale forest is 21 direct damage to face with Rose Queen on turn 8.
>>527681219why did i even bother preloading
i already want to quit
>>527694618Um... It's actually the f2p Shadowverse Experience. As a Whale I am playing the Premium Experienceโข.
>>527694312get the coom out of your brain so you can udnerstand
>>527694540It's honestly a very funny history.
>card game streamer rightly seethes about hearthstone becoming increasingly p2w and meta chasing scummy monetization shit>says he'll make his own anti-p2w card game where everyone always owns all the cards or something, leaving deckbuilding and competition purely to player decisions>years go by, 25yo kid turns into actual ancient mountain man by like 30 somehow>card game finally soon to go public>it's no longer a card game but an autobattler>players need to pay for ranked play>beta comes and goes, release time>it's no longer free for the "cards" either, just fomo p2w bait every few months where f2p are eternally unavoidably behind all the timeI guess I can see how he aged 30 years in a fraction of the time.
>>527695024>udnerstandNOOOOOOOOOO
IVE LOST
CURSE MY DYSLEXIC FINGERS
>>527694824>People are complaining you can't vial non-dupes but I never did that anyway because of completionist autism.This. I have more than 300k vials and I never vial anything other than extras. And I play sword.
>/v/ thread archived with less than 100 posts
>>527692208tried playing on qooapp but it detecting me as a filthy gaijin piggu and locked me out
>>527694667>give me a rundown of worst metas after that.By the end of SV1 every single deck win condition was some kind of OTK around turn 6 or 7.
Even "slow" control decks like Dragon, Haven or Rune were OTK machines.
Also matches were decided by your opening hand.
Seeing players pray for good hand was a common sight since you literally would lose if you bricked your first tur.
>>527694768Few to none of the hoyo players do that, not even convinced the actual wuwa players do either.
Just some shitposters who falseflag as everyone, maybe jeets, maybe tencent shills.
But part of how they "win" is convincing generals that other generals on the whole are their bogeyman.
I say that since I post in a lot of these and every time the invaders never come off as sincere or actual players of the other games.
>>527695132Present.
t. tentacled beast
>>527692553I couldn't do that shit
get heart palpitations and body cramps out the ass If I get <5
Im new. what does roach mean?
>>527695381it means you die when you least expect it
Are there any Havenbros other than myself here?
>>527693982Many of the images used for shitposting here would be familiar to you if you browse hoyo generals. They shitpost in the exact same way in those threads.
>>527695381https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/deck/cardslist/card/?card_id=10113140
>>527695449Haven was my 2nd most played but I don't consider myself a haven player
>>527695381It's a Yugioh card that literally makes the opponent lose the duel once it's activated.
Wemb related.
>>527695262>But part of how they "win" is convincing generals that other generals on the whole are their bogeyman.I remember when 4chan was down and the other site had images showing the absolute state of /vg/ mods with their pet threads.
>>527695458Costs 3 now so all this is off
>>527695634nigga what the fuck did i just see
>>527695449I was but I'm really depressed because of the fugly leader. Considering cheating and going abyss to get dog girl leader or maybe that portal puppet.
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>>527695537I left before those collabs. Who got C.C. and Miku?
WHY DID THEY BRING BACK TOVE?? NO CLASS HAS 2PP REMOVAL IN THIS GAME
>>527695685Yeah but they've got 0 cost heal 1, 0 cost bounce, and bounce gain 1 mana to make up for it.
What craft has the most fertile women? Abyss and portal are instantly out (undeads and robots)
any websites to share decks on?
>>527695449I'm a ward chad, call me when they bring it back.
>>527695634Is Maxx C the most controversial card to ever be printed (and legal) in a TCG?
>>527695723That's a surprisingly nice looking feet
>>527682861It is coming at least. There's animation and sound files in the game already
>>527695743I DONT UNDERSTAND
>>527695916Didn't play that far, but I hated mirror force.
>>527695814Sword have princesses and rugged military women and backstreet whores
>>527695425>>527695634>>527695696For context, Maxx C is a card where you discard it at instant speed and after it resolves, the player draws a card each time the opponent Special Summons.
Since Yugioh is just bullshit convoluted chains of Special Summons 99% of the time, the sheer quantity of cards Maxx C's player gets would usually draw them into a guaranteed win with any respectable meta deck.
Basically it's like if everything cost 0, Arisa did all her Roach type bullshit except for some other big juggernaut payoff that couldn't attack... and then you started your Turn 1 with 10 cards in hand, your most ideal 5 cards in graveyard, and everything you have costs 0 too.
>>527695732there's neutral 2pp removal bwo
>>527696014I don't spend money on dishonest companies. They lost my business after they mistreated global priconne.
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Is my nigga gonna have his reign of terror on the meta once more?
>>527695831There's a deckbuilder in the official website
if it takes more than 10 dollars and 1 week of playing to make a viable deck this game will flop
>>527696067I think Maxx C is chemo for the current state of yu-gi-oh.
>>527696137Cygames didn't manage global priconne though. You are the one who chose to trust Crunchyroll.
>>527696014nta but depending on the pricetag, I will
>>527695449Haven is by far my favourite but it looks like shit at SV2 release so I'll be waiting for an update to pick it up as my main again.
>>527696183>I WANT MY META DECK NOW!
>>527696328Haven is funny.
It consistently feels the most unfun to go against but at the same time doesn't ever feel storng either
>>527696297Stop making excuses, they are the ones responsible for putting it in crunchyrolls hands and they are the ones who chose not to do anything when it was abused.
>>527696071You need to answer that bitch on curve no on turn 4 faggot
>>527696413>anything less unfun than DShift
>>527696267>I think Maxx C is chemo for the current state of yu-gi-oh.To be fair, the problem with Maxx C isn't the responsive element apparently.
It's the fact that the 1st player goes 1st, vomits out everything, caps off with Maxx C, and then draws into other "handtraps" to counter the opponent's attempt to turn the game around.
Last I heard it was banned in most formats, and other versions were made more so aimed at helping the 2nd player recover without feeding a 1st player who is already ahead.
>>527695381Whirlwind rhinoceroach was the win condition for a classic forest deck. It would use combos to repeatedly play and bounce the roach before ultimately swinging for lethal with the roach.
>>527694618didnt they remove mahjong and fishing?
>>527696328Literally the only class that can beat Rune
>>527696520Whirlwind is nu-roach
PtP elf was the least fun deck to play against.
>>527696508Didn't they print another card with the same effect?
Can someone explain why Yugioh and Magic can get away with being generous to F2P?
Why Shadowbab2 can't just do the same?
>>527696267It's not chemo if it doesn't change anything
>but le birdsCompetitively unviable garbage that nobody takes seriously
>i have gold/crystals for 180 packs
Something you'll never see for WB
Guess I'll try to get the girls I missed for a fucking Miiverse poster
>>527696658>magic>generous to ftp
>>527696413>Haven is funny.>It consistently feels the most unfun to go against but at the same time doesn't ever feel storng eitherAggrotards hate multiplayer games and Subway Tanaka hates being delayed.
Like the kind of control/midrange Haven that is typically hated is usually fine BUT aggrotards cut more and more corners, more removal, more value generation, etc to be more unga bunga. Then cry and bitch whenever their greedy dumbass shit gets stopped.
Reynad isnโt playing this game
how much longer till maint ends?
>>527696442The amount of people complaining about abyss is silly desu.
>t2 tove>t3 nightfiend/arriet>t4 mukan/ceresIf they're spending removal turn after turn after turn, they aren't playing bodies
>hag plays their 5pp board clear lego on 5
>clears your shit
>plays this on 6 safely
>now you are permanently checkmated from committing to board because they can choose to 0pp wipe you at any point
>but if you don't commit enough they won't ever use it and drop down their Lapis/Satan
Genuinely how do you answer this? There is no amulet removal from what I've seen. This is so much stronger than Themis.
>>527695449I'll probably play it a bit yeah, I think it was my 3rd most played?
>>527696658We got one too
>>527696658>mfw i looked at the left card
>>527696658ygo is only f2p if you literally play everyday or played since launch. sv2 wont be much different. or if you really know what youre doing and start a new
same as magic. unless youve hoarded yourself a bunch of resources and already have the deck you like, its not very f2p friendly to just build a completely new deck if you have no resources
>>527696842There is not even any removal to choose to play. The only class that can cleanly answer Beryl on 2 is Abyss itself with their own Beryl or with their gold Razory Claw
>>527696658Mtg has no dust mechanic.
Ygo dust is rarity limited.
>>527695795also an engage that gives you +1/+1
Haven't played the game in years, can I carry over my Street Fighter leader characters?
I will be playing haven control and you will concede piggy
>>527696658You don't play MTGA
they reset the global achievements on steam
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its over for sv2. i cant believe i was actually looking forward to this.
>>527697132What's the wincon of nu-control haven when there's no seraph? (amulet)
>>527696852>NNNNUUUUUU I CANT HANDLE A 6 PP DO NOTHING!!!Honestly, this is what I was just talking about.
>they do nothing on 6>you play midgame bomb>they either play from behind or burn another evolve, or they pop the amulet>in which case, they 1 for 1 and the turn cycle is as though they just played their next card onto the empty board last turn on 6 insteadLike you're just throwing a tantrum cuz your retard aggro deck caps out at like 4 and you can't make them waste their 6pp amulet on your Basic Goblin.
>>527696658>Can someone explain why Yugioh and Magic can get away with being generous to F2P?SV was generous though. The problem is WB is not.
>>527697253The same as old control haven (standard)
Satan
Also, Lapis is hardly a bad wincon
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>>527697014Fucking hell. I hit GM with Haven but the deck splits of my gameplay were nowhere near that one sided.
>>527697253I haven't looked at the cards yet but have you just tried playing a few expensive lategame threats?
>>527695732Artifact have 2pp answer that progress their quest
>>527697253Just control into satan if you get over their im gonna do big damage to you this turn without dying you probably just win the game
What deck are we maining from day 1? (4 hours or so?
Abyss will get Bampi leader at some point right?
>>527697267Hags always play the victim
>>527692316Will that let me reclaim the "luna's doll" sleeve?
>>527682561Luna is great, but I want the doll. The doll sleeves were by far my favorite cosmetic from SV1.
>>527695795don't forget about 0 cost man
>>527695458I understand this. so thank you
>>527696725But you need aggro to keep greedy combo in check or would you rather deal with that?
>>527697253Nuseraph is better than old seraph.
Control can be just as braindead as aggro.
No playing removal does not make you smart
>>527696067okay thank you for explaining. that sounds retarded I hate yugioh
>>527697267Playing from behind is standard for a control deck, they don't need to win on tempo.
>midgame bombYeah I have to burn a valuable card to make them use their Themis and then they get to heal up and establish some tempo just in time for their turn 8 Lapis. You can't play around this.
>>527696852by then you should have killed them if you are playing aggro.
>>527697603What victim?
Just play some midgame and removal bruh.
Stop bitching cuz you didn't win on turn 5.
>>527697732I mean I'd just delete Spellboost. Fuck mana cheating. That's not a Shadowverse problem, that's just a fundamental card game design problem. Don't make stupid shit because stupid mana cheating shit is a problem in literally every card game.
Fuck greedy combo shit.
Fuck greedy control too, I hate fags who just sit behind removal and do nothing proactive.
>>527695449im a dragonchad
>>527697039Engage counts for combo?
>>527697825>Not playing removal does not make you smartyes it does
>>527695537I spent like $20 trying to get the spy family mommy. At least I got the loli and not the fucking dog.
Even if it ends up good I just don't know about us effectively repeating early Shadowverse.
Screw aggro.
Screw control.
Screw combo.
Screw Midragne.
Screw card games in general desu.
>>527697946Nobody has good enough aggro cards. Only class with more than 3 1 drops is sword.
>>527697879>Yeah I have to burn a valuable card to make them use their Themis>I have to burn A card to make them waste their 6PP board clear investmentYes.
And you came out ahead in the trade.
Not really sure what your problem is with that exchange, fucking victim complex shit.
Sometimes in a card game, your threats are answered and your tempo is halted. That's why you should be putting GOOD CARDS in your deck, whether by efficiency or extra value generation.
Not just 1/1 Storm shitter.
i'm surprised no one is talking about this card. easily goes 3x in both amulet and control deck as finisher considering how easy it is to activate. (you have the 2pp not elana amulet for control so its 7/9 storm ward without evo)
>>527697696That card is a meme, he's never getting to 0 in this format.
>>527695449no tenko, elana or city of gold means no haven
sorry, it's just how it works
>>527697732control is the best choice aganst aggro, non control decks cant handle the aggression. aggro being good makes control better and more prevalent in the meta. common mistake
>>527698162Storm shit is exactly what that card promotes. You can't play for the board when Haven has a Themis that they can even choose to save up. The game is over if Haven is allowed to play this and not Engage it immediately.
>>527697132I wish you the best of luck trying to outlast Super evolve Albert swinging twice on turn 9 anon.
>>527697014>2 games of RuneThat's all it took huh? Remember what you were playing?
>>527698208FOOL
you activated my last words
>>527698270Yes and?
I said aggro is there to beat combo not control.
Perhaps I was unclear.
>>527697573see what I get without spending money, then hopefully play portal artifacts/gundam
>>527697696original luxglaive was not good at 7pp and no effect... problem was always that ge bricked you. in this meta?... might be good, depending whether the ward matters (for example, it doesnt vs jeanne)
>>527698284>The game is over if Haven is allowed to play this and not Engage it immediately.No fucking shit the game is over if your deck flopped SO badly they can play a 6PP DO NOTHING and do ACTUALLY NOTHING with it.
Game's already over against most cards and decks if you're that far behind.
Like imagine some shit where your opponent goes like 6PP Draw 3, pass, and that's fine for them.
Yeah, you suck, you're losing if that's a viable play for your opponent. Doesn't even matter what 6PP Do Nothing they're doing at that point.
That's a (You) problem.
>>527698361does stuff not really get +2/+2 on evo now?
But how DO i deck build though?
Issue with card games is its hard to read feedback as to whether you are making bad decisions or variance is skewing things in a certain way.
>>527698371if by combo you mean otk those are also control decks
id you mean something else by combo, those decks dont deserve to be 'beaten' for free by anything. matchup rps is bad for the game
>>527679524 (OP)This is the hottest bitch.
I hate that she is on the app icon meaning she is the main girl which means I can't play her deck now.
>colosseum
>omen
Yawn. Give me rivayle or azvaldt
>>527697696>literally unplayable unless you open it in which case you start down a card
>>527698563By that logic control shouldn't "win" against aggro
>>527698551everything gets +2/+2 on evo full stop but its not considered base stats but more like elana buffs
My home general has been ran over by too many schizos lately so I'm gonna hang out with you guys for a while since the game is releasing soon
Yuribros, who are we maining?
>>527698557Get a plan.
Mana curve.
Don't neglect your 2s and 3s.
Try not to have too many cards which NEED their Evolve.
>>527698557pick wincon you like
cram all support you can find
trim bad support out
>>527698563Nah control is something like Aegis where its only a single card needed for the win condition and its not immediate.
Rather its an inevitable, unanswerable card.
>>527698648OOOOHHH okay
I was wondering why it didnt show up on the cards posted
>>527698557If you can justify your deckbuilding decisions with sound logic and statistics you are deckbuilding correctly
Literally just stop being retarded
>>527698198>>527698361no one here actually plays haven
>>527698530i could see it being an issue. but 6pp board wipe is probably already good enough, leading into more boardwipes like jeanne. the problem is more that it exists and less that it can be saved, or if there's enough healing to tank a board and drop it anyway, which it doesnt seem like there is
>>527698839Bro, people can't just cease being retarded.
>>527693946Shadow has a bunch of demon girls like Cerberus for example
>>527698683Any of the new leaders confirmed lesbian?
I'm honestly shocked this game has as much hype as it does.
>>527698904Cerberus is a dog anon
>>527693946But Handless is a Blood deck
>>527698847Wrong, I'm from /hsrg/
>>527698827combo decks are also focused on stalling the game until their wincon, so they are still favored vs aggro (in comparison to other decks that have less stall in exchange for their own pressure).
rhats why they're effectively the same as slower control, in terms of matchup spread.
>Dayan gonna play all classes instead of elf only for WB
dang, can't really blame him though
being the elf guy and playing nothing but elf only for 10 years must've been mentally grating
>>527698892>or if there's enough healing to tank a board and drop it anyway, which it doesnt seem like there issis your Salefa?
>>527698972its the only good card game
>>527690570honestly fan seems weirdly solid, even if there's like exactly one card that actually wants to be discarded
>>527699068Watching otp playing their classes on bad sets is the funniest and saddest thing at the same time.
>>527699034Hmm I always figured combo was worse against aggro since they had to devote more cards to their combo and thus can't wall as hard as something like control that can just delay until something like Satan.
>>527699134Vanguard is fun.............and dead.........
(sigh)
>>527696725>Aggrotards hate multiplayer gamesAggro is the archetype with least room for error and the most reliance on probabilities. People only play aggro with empty brain, because it leads to shorter games, not because being good at it is easy.
It's the Rune tendies that are playing solitaire.
>>527698557The way to eliminate variance is to compare if specific cards you drew during game would be better replaced by other specific cards.
Anyway, in our card pool there are so few choices that optimized decks will be done in a few days.
>>527699147Because dragon does't really care about board space and turning your worst card in hand into 3 cost 2/2 storm is good enough.
>>527698651Blue Archive general
>a schizo is spamming scatLimbus general
>a schizo is spamming goreHSR general
>revenue wars all day longGranblue general
>anons unironically doing gay ERP all dayWuWa general
>anons fighting with the bikini schizo all dayAnd here everyone is (rightfully) complaining about the shit economy
>>527699208aggro > combo > control > aggro
>>527698872Damn, what a bkast from the past. That was the card that made me try haven for the first time
>>527698827Yeah that's generally how I see control but I also never liked Aegis or Lapis that much. Resilient lategame threats I like, basically noninteractible ones I don't.
>>527698892It's really slow and the various Jeannus were never full clear anyway. They usually punished shit decks. When Jeannu isn't a board clear, that usually ended up being a really big problem.
So like I said, the kneejerk and bitching is usually aggro retards knowing they have no Plan B, no value, no card generation, no resilient threats.
And I don't see why the fuck that is anyone's problem but their own for their greedy trash deck construction.
>>527698651bwo thinks hes safe in shadowverse threads
>>527698629nnot sure what you mean by 'shouldn't' in this context. control *does* win against aggro if balance is average. it *shouldnt* in the sense that it's bad for the meta and I dont want it to happen, as it leads to
control mirrors.
>>5276990713 healing is not enough to tank a respectable turn 6 board to save your themis. however the card is concerning as part of a stall deck
>>527699286I would argue aggro still has to make some judgement calls when figuring out how to optimize damage.
Is it easier?
Eh depends.
Against slower decks yeah its pretty straightforward.
Aggro dupe fights though have been some of the most tense matches I've been in.
>>527699331I was hiding away in the counterside general, it's a barren wasteland.
>>527695732is this meant to be a good card
>>527699438Salefa comes down on 5 to allow you to play your 6pp do nothing in the first place
>>527699286Both Aggro and Combo want to play Solitaire.
Some Controlfags do too.
But Control and/or Midrange are usually the only honest players. They answer stuff, they play stuff, if their stuff gets answered they don't have melties because they'll find their next threat to play.
>>527699208devoting cards to combo doesnt matter with a mana system that restricts how many cards you play each turn. often a control version of a deck and a combo version will play identically until the very end. you're both running the same stall tools, maybe control runs a few more but that only affects variance, and not usually by that much
>>527699503midrange is just win via value and abuse inefficiencies in the enemies curve.
Hmm I guess that does sound honest.
>>527699438>3 healing is not enough to tank a respectable turn 6 board to save your themis. however the card is concerning as part of a stall deckpeople put shitty ass 3x Ancient Lion to deal with daria board back then. Salefa is that but with full stats, wards, 3dmg board clear instead of 2 and then 3 heal on top because why the fuck not
>Burnite crest turns Astaroth into OTK
hella OP
>>527699601You seem to forget PP isn't the only resource in the game.
>>5276994972pp 3/3 played on curve completely destroys the early game in this game. Notice how the overwhelming majority of 2 drops are 2/2 or 1/3. It guaranteed trades favorably into your 2 drop and then it is still big enough to kill your 3 drop as well. They had to nerf a card like this in old shadoba and in old shadoba everyone had 2pp 3 damage removal to answer it.
>>527699147Functionally it lets you turn dead cards in hand into 3 PP 2/2s with storm and ward.
The downside is the initial investment of a -1 and boardspace but Dragoncraft doesn't really give a shit about those factors, atleast for the current set 1 environment.
The card will age like wine as we get better discard synergies until we move away from having a fat top end that rots in your hand.
>>527699729Just win the 1/10 every time.
>>527699498thats what i meant when i said 'concerning as part of a stall deck.' depends how well decks can rebuild after her.
>>527699376im talking about wb jeanne, which is 6 damage so definitely a board wipe.
also there have been many variations of heanne, several of which have been able to wipe most boards.
>>527696852its as if control beats aggro or something...
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>>527699729Burnite's crest is so interesting to me. It presents an eventual wincon by burning your opponent and cutting heals but it feels like Shadowverse is the wrong game for that kind of effect.
>>527699748itt kind of is because you dont trade card for card with your opponent. it really depends on the state of the game more than the matchup. some combos require holding several cards in hand... but also some require only 1, like Royal Duo.
>no third artworks for super evolve
????????
>>527695732Reanimating this with Chaos Cyclone without taking any self damage is one of the only good interactions between the blood and shadow halves of abyss right now.
>>527699672I mean is there any more honest gameplan than "Try to play good cards"?
Especially when you've got to fill out the mana curve, so you need to make some calls on what's actually good for your context rather than just the "best" card.
>>527699601>often a control version of a deck and a combo version will play identically until the very endSad but true. It is why I prefer midrange, or for my "control" deck to be very heavily attached to creatures.
Like I'm just not gonna play that 6PP Do Nothing amulet.
I don't call it that to try to "play victim", I call it that because it's a trash card. Imagine resigning myself to ever being so far behind by turn 6 that my "best" play is to reset and hand tempo back to my opponent.
>>527698198>>527698361youd rather otk on turn 8 than play this dogshit
>>527700085>Royal Duoyeah well we all hate Rune for obvious reasons with its one card "combos"
>>527698683Futachads conquer yurisluts.
>>527691309Pokemon tcg also checks all those boxes but you wouldn't call it a gacha
>>527699853not that bad when 6/10 are pretty good cards
>>527698683>>527698935I don't know about the story characters but Rune has Anne and Grea as a Yuri legendary card.
>>527699941>>527697946Not every deck that wants to win on the board is aggro. Besides, that card doesn't do shit to aggro, aggro in this game would be finishing you off T6 via Storm.
>>527700363yeah and?
Midrange can have answers too.
>>527700174It depends on how much power creep has been shoved into the cards. Midrange is dishonest in formats where they play shit that is horrendously undercosted compared to the rest of the field.
Is this game yuri and does it have some kind of arena mode like heartstone?
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plebbit is NOT happy
>>527700230Explain how any deck in WB OTKs on T8, let alone Haven
>>527700264not a real card game neither
>>527700510/svg/ and discord also NOT happy
its all over eos soon
>>527700475midrange is dishonest when you clear rheir entire board every turn and they dont care. its dishonest because it feels like there wasnt any more you couldve done.
this is why its important to make full board clears rare, or if you do clear the board, punish you for ending on nothing,
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jp is buying a new phone for shadowverse
>>527700510210 for dailies, not counting other events, ranks, take 2, etc is pretty good. poorworlders just want everything easy and free.
>>527696067I still don't understand
>>527700526just do nothing draw all your bird amulet and line it up so it pops on jannu turn bro
>>527700653>this is why its important to make full board clears rarelol
They should have used the new game as an excuse to add a mechanic allowing more than 5 followers/amulets in play at once if you meet certain conditions (possibly a new class).
>3 days of dailies for a pull
ah the pocket model i see
>>527700712in yugioh, you can generally use 1 card to deal with 1 of your opponents. getting so many more cards than your opponent guarantees you the win through raw card advantage, even if you get 2 for 1'd through bad play
>>527699471CS collab would be amazing.
>>527700510Surely they didn't just up the cost of a pack five times.
never played the original
what am I in for?
as f2p with way too much time
>>527700865But that's 4 packs
>falling for chinese misinformation
wow i didnt know it was that easy to cause chaos
>>527700967Games are pretty fast and there's a very good feel of push and pull.
>>5277008105 board slots is a large reason why sv1 became the way it did. impossible to capitalize on board presence by adding more board presence, boards couldn't get big enough (without specific buffing cards) so you could just outheal them.
Is it true that this game is censored?
>>527700810>They should have used the new game as an excuse to add a mechanic allowing more than 5 followers/amulets in play at once if you meet certain conditions (possibly a new class).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLB6FbhKS6A
KMR pls, you have to launch the server before WW3 starts. You have to!
>>527699471>>527700932I remember this game from like 5 years ago. Is the gameplay still fucking garbage?
>>527700967anime hearthstone anon
>>527701152Land of blunders land of marbles
the old thread is still up btw
>>527701291That's a middleschooler
>>527700967Get a meta deck and grind for grandmaster every month.
>>527701051CHAOS?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr1k_LN07OQ
>>527701291Thought that was her panties from the thumbnail, would've been much better
Boobs too small but those thighs could obliterate my pp
>>527701062Worlds is not censored. The original game had some censorship though.
>>527700865Your free daily pack bro?
>>527701248It's on life support waiting for the sequel coming later this year.
>>527683547>>527683547you need twice as many cards for shadowverse decks
>>527701062its censored in the fact its been censored in the design stage instead of localization now
so everyone gets censored instead now, thats how modern jrpgs are made too
>>527701392I wonder if we'll ever get someone as based as Jack at the head of a game again.
>>527701062Like all Cygames games it now comes pre censored. But nureddit (4chan) says it doesn't count if they censor themselves before twitter trannys cry about it.
>>527701590It has never been censored in localization except for exclusively isabelle. Everything else was in the japanese client as well
>>527700932I remember counterside before the origin update. I was in Prestissimo before I just stopped caring.
>>527699331>gay erp>having a good time with your bros and making them cum is....bad??
Whale on Dragon.
Scrub out with Forte.
>>527701503You mean the not HSR prequel?
ill care about censorship once they stop printing lolis
but man yugioh censorship is the funniest
>nuclear war starts one minute before servers go up
>internet crashes
>>527701503I was just looking at upcoming 2025 gachas (grim stuff btw) and didn't see a sequel listed.
>>527701974That was a fake out, turns out it's going to be an epic seven clone instead lol. Kind of nostalgic since e7 was my first gacha, wonder if I'll run into any of my old /e7g/ bwos.
>>527702087It's called Star Savior, but it's not surprising you haven't heard of it. Bside is deathly allergic to advertisement they never ran a single ad for counterside.
>>527701057>push and pullVanguard takes the cake for me for how swingy games can feel.
Let your enemy just barely live?
You bet he's coming back with the force of a thousand suns.
>>527699331This seems to be the one mobage general not complaining about our SEAniggers.
>>527700967Anime hearthstone with less rng (that's good !), great voice acting too
>>527681219Holy fucking jewish batman
>>527681219KMR fucked up with this one
Watch as player count drops off a cliff after the first few days
>>527681219That's a lot of readibg. Is this better or worse than yugioh?