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>WHAT IS HELLDIVERS 2?
HELLDIVERS 2 is a 2024 crossplay, co-op, squad-based, PvE 3rd person shooter for PC, PS5 and XBox Series X/S where players fight against hordes of alien insects, robots and squids to Spread Democracy™. Players wage war on a number of contested planets, each with a different environment, completing as many objectives as possible in a procedurally generated level while constrained by a time limit. With enough successful operations, a planet can be defended or liberated, and the player base must cooperate to try to liberate the entire galaxy by focusing and combining their efforts as much as possible.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-2/
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/helldivers-2/9mx9wn9dfpgt

>WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST HELLDIVERS GAME?
Released in 2015 for PC, PS3/4 and PS Vita, the original HELLDIVERS is a shared screen top-down shooter in the same setting. Its mechanics were based primarily on Arrowhead's first game, Magicka.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/394510/HELLDIVERS_Dive_Harder_Edition/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers/


>LOBBY HOSTING
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>MODDING
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>INFORMATION RESOURCES
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/
https://helldiverscompanion.com/
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>MAJOR NEWS
Jun 12 Force of Law https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHuOJoeXdYA
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Jul 03 XBox release Aug 26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTs9VDm4KAU

>LATEST PATCH
Jun 24 1.003.104 https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/516339151333753417

Is de-escalator actually good for anything?

>>530085329
I like it for bots with the hover pack, it was 1 shot hulks with headshots too, which is easy since it stuns them

>>530082115
>>530085329
It's supposed to be a crowd control weapon like the Arc Thrower, shoot a single grenade into a crowd and then clean them up with normal weapons while they're unable to move. AP6 with medium stun theoretically means that it can stun any enemy in the game that isn't outright immune to stun like Harvesters, Factory Striders, Tanks and Bile Titans.

>>530085329
It's good for padding your killcount since it's bugged.

>>530085523
>outright immune to stun like Harvesters
Anon-kun....
Theyre like the only thing on ayys that gets stunned by pacifier

>Boy I sure love picking "anti-tank" option that takes nearly a minute to kill two tanks when Recoilless would handle them in less than 10 seconds
Why is Quasar so popular in bot front? And don´t say "I think shooting unmoving fabricators that only spawn chaff once a blue moon and die to a stiff breeze with it", that's not a valid argument.

>>530085452
>Bots with hover pack

Really? Don't you get nuked by bots when you fly up into the air?

>>530085523
>AP6
the arc grenade only has 4 pen but that's still enough to stun everything that can be stunned

>>530085961
you really are overestimating their aim, and if you get the drop on patrols you can wipe them clean in 1 burst

>>530085915
bot front has a lot of cold planets, the shot requires no leading and some people like having a backpack slot

>>530085915
you can stay mobile and snipe shit that your teammates don't get.
In a four stack mobility is huge and the recoiless guy usually gets left behind like a fat kid in a Walmart parking lot.

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241185864363/76561199108851031
bug d10

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/6246
PH-09 conversion soon fellow divers

>>530087062
2/4

>>530087104
>Brap variant
BUENO

>>530085915
1. Recoilless requires a backpack, Quasar doesn't.
2. Quasar can still one-shot Hulks and Gunships, while also killing non-Annihilator Tanks with a single turret shot and killing Annihilators and Cannon Turrets with a good heatsink shot. Only thing it doesn't deal with well is Factory Striders.
3. Infinite ammo, meaning you can use it on any target of opportunity including cargo container doors.
4. Killing Fabricators at zero ammo cost is significantly more useful than you give it credit for, given how many Fabricators there are in any given mission.

As someone who regularly solo roams on bots, it's excellent for giving you the ability to kill heavies and spawners without requiring ammo or taking up the backpack slot. Not taking up the backpack slot lets you equip something that gets shit done like Portable Hellbomb, and infinite ammo means you're far less liable to have to call down a Resupply just to restock.

>>530087062
3/4

>>530085523
It is decent as chaff because it has pretty big AOE and can kill medium chaff in 2-3 shot as well. The stun is nice and it can kill some heavy surprisingly well such as hulk or harvester. Comparing to AC is dumb because backpack spot but AC is also busted with inclusion of flak since dev wanted to buff AC for who knows reason.
Stun is also more valuable back in the day when the game is harder and enemies are more difficult to kill. Nowaday, it's just so easy to kill everything so stun isn't as highly valued

>>530085915
Jetpack go brr

>>530087540
>solo roams

>>530087540
>Only thing it doesn't deal with well is Factory Striders.
well I mean it's still just 2 shots to the eye. it probably takes 21 seconds to kill a factory strider by dumping red strats onto it or throwing down a turret and waiting for it to kill it

>>530087062
full

so why did they give factory striders constitution on their belly panels, interior circuits, and feet but also 0 decay so they essentially just have two health bars? why not just make their first health bar the combined HP?

>>530087540
I'd say the biggest thing is just the complete lack of ammo dependency means you're saving one guy an extra resupply. Being ammo independent is really nice and easy to build around

>>530085915
It's reddits favourite pick.

>>530089161
being ammo independent is seriously underrated in general. yeah yeah the argument is ammo doesn't matter because resupply is only 3 minutes away and there's ammo all over POI's etc etc etc
but you have to call it down and wait for it, or you have to actually go to the POI and also clear off the enemies on it without calling another breach. and god forbid if you have to do that while you're already almost out because you've just been fighting a breach or objective or your teammates gobbled up the 3 tins and 1 grenade box on the last POI you were at. ammo isn't actually infinite unless you actually have infinite ammo, sometimes you will run out and sometimes you won't be able to just call in a reuspply or waltz over to an empty POI.

>>530088736
Can you explain for the class what you mean by two health bars?

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241187299066/76561198239107960
Join diff10 bots

>>530087540
>Solonigger

>>530089732
private

>>530089732
Failed

>>530089732
>soloGAWD

>>530089647
how and why do you know this

>>530090934
Takes one to know one

>>530089726
well alright.
You know how you can take off a warriors head but it still runs around for a bit and then keels over dead from bleeding out? that's the "second health bar" at work. Most enemy parts just have the single HP value you're familiar with yeah? like devastator legs have 500 HP or the leg armour of a behemoth charger has 1000 HP, and if you blow through that HP the part is destroyed. Some enemy parts have what is called "constitution", which acts as a second health bar that only kicks in after the initial HP of that part is depleted. Warrior's heads have a 'constitution' value of 200 with a decay rate of 70 HP per second, which is why you can blow off a warrior's head and it'll die on its own without any further shots from you. Voteless are a big one in that their chests have 100 to 160 HP depending on their size, but also all have a constitution of 100 with a decay rate that's only 5 HP per second. That's why it looks like voteless don't 'die' after you put two liberator shots into their chest and a third doesn't even give you a hit marker, that's their constitution at work.

factory strider feet, stomach panels, and internal circuits also have a constitution value, but unlike all the other they don't have a decay rate, it's set to 0 hp per second. so it's functionally just a second health bar you need to deliver damage to to kill rather than being able to wait for it to bleed out.

Boy I put this shit on everything

>>530087796
goes fwoosh retard

Soon-ish.

>>530091186
Appreciate the long explanation, just figured you'd explain how factory strider works. I wasn't aware of voteless' HP that actually changes somethings.

I imagine they did that because they don't want explosion spill damage to instantly nuke them. EG 500 one shotting a factory strider. (Even though I'm pertty sure with all the explosion vulnerable parts it will one shot it)

>>530091205
One of the best reds in the game.

>>530092023
>I imagine they did that because they don't want explosion spill damage to instantly nuke them
That might be part of it but the thing is factory striders already have partial explosive immunity and you can blow through the constitution with a single attack. Hulk heatsinks have 900 HP and 650 constitution, but a single EAT or quasar shot will instantly kill it because you've done more than the combined damage of both. Hell they even recently buffed the HP of the foot so the recoiless can't just one-shot them by hitting a toe. It's just weird to have constitution but no decay instead of a fatter health bar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>530085915
It's the least committal AT support weapon.

>>530092365
I think the one true flag should have a 30 second cooldown

>>530091979
>xbox release
>new Helldivers Mobilize warbond, because new helldivers just mobilized
>ar20l justice, trident, tanto, rec-6, rumbler, lumberer, APC, etc
I BELIEVE

>>530094513
You're getting the halo assault rifle and plasma rifle and you're going to like it.

anyone up for a randomizer lobby?

How do you like to build around the Wasp launcher? I've been running 120mm, a sentry, and 110mm/500kg/P Strike.

I know it's not great, but I just enjoy the Wasp on most maps (not Dagoba planets).

>>530095651
Let me dual wield needlers please.

>>530095972
Sure, post.

bugs are harder than bots

Do any mods remove the spinning reticle on the quasar?

>>530087062
ggz retards

>>530097221
I actually agree these days. Bots used to be harder, but they're more fun regardless.

>>530097221
duh, bots are popular with dirt poor PC cucks since there are less enemies.

>>530097221
You're just rusty after fighting squids and bots.

>>530097221
You mean pred bugs
Regular bugs are still easier. The only thing that I think is harder on regular bugs is the mega nest

>>530097609
One time I got sent flying 200m into the air.
The car was going to land on the back it was turned upside down, no momentum, no hope, nothing. But I've managed to simply flip it back on the wheels mid air, just mindcontrolled extreme twist midair it into landing properly, and I survived just like that.
I'm pretty sure it's coded in such a way that it allows you to do it, even if it's unintentional behaviour.
I wonder how the engine is coded to allow for such things to happen.
Also I don't get why landing on the back is 100% explosion instakill, but landing on the wheels from any height let's you live.

how do i get better at driving bros, I feel like a fool every time I flip it.

>>530096929
I want to like the wasp launcher, it fucks half the bot roster but its very tricky to use. Ive been using it with eagle strafe to finish off tanks and hulks after a full dump and its been very effective. Youll need something a lot stronger for factory striders though.

>>530099009
it probably explodes on its back to keep it from taking up performance from being useless, could be another way of culling

>>530099009
It's probably because this engine doesn't really do flying. An overturned frv on the ground still has a really good chance of righting itself and flying enemies don't really fly so much as they stay a set distance above the ground.
So I'd imagine your frv righted itself because it still acts like it's on the ground.

>>530087104
Artist finished the job and updated the file.
It's up.

randomizer lobby
front is randomized with a wheel on my end
use this to randomize loadout https://hd2random.com
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241193725988/76561199098688384

>>530099167
>lemming-brained shitters not seeing you driving like a blind gook and then immediately bailing
Deserved squad wipe. Lower the difficulty.

>>530099524
Ooh, I like this one!

>>530099524
d10*

>>530087104
How can people find this attractive. It looks bogged and unnatural.

>>530099524
2/4

>>530099993
I like the visual of enemies running into a smokescreen laughing to themselves how worthless it is, only to come face to face with a guy with a nuclear bomb strapped to his back.

>>530089161
Except you're both not ammo independent unless you're also using primary and secondary weapons that are laser beams, since otherwise you'll still need bullets for your other guns, and the lack of ammo comes at the cost of not being able to quickly turn ammo into dead heavies like any other dedicated support weapon, which means the Queso becomes a worse pick the more you need it.

>>530099524
FVLL

>>530099759
We had faith in our gook.

>>530100310
Armed with a pocket flamethrower and allahu ackbar bomb vest.

>>530100323
unless you're in a slow ass lobby, you rarely stick around in POIs in rando's queso better, and yeah you can take something like scythe / blitzer

>>530100323
The quasar canon doesn't use ammo. Your argument doesn't make sense and you're trying too hard.

>>530099759
it was pretty silly and im not lowering the difficulty, but how do i improve?

>>530099236
I just run eng kit, and spam thermites. I'm trying to find the right sentry and red strat, for the enemies that give the Wasp trouble. I've been tending towards 500kg or Rocket. The 120mm Barrage puts in work for drops, breaches, and bases. It might actually be my new favorite red strat, mostly because of the Eagle-esque cooldown.

>>530085329
A mag to the face kills a Bile Titan fairly reliably, and so it has one of, if not the, quickest TTKs on them for a backpackless support weapon, while also being capable of popping charger butts. The stun effect on it is an absolute meme 99% of the time because it barely stuns long enough for your aim to settle after the recoil from the first shot, but it can occasionally help out a teammate.

>>530099167
>>530097609
Where's the Dixie flag?

>>530100658
>grug bring Queso
>grug not need ammo box
>grug primary go click instead of bang
>grug confused, why he need ammo?

>>530099167
drive in gear 1 unless you're out in the open.
let go of gas when going over hills
just let go of gas more often, you get immediate control the moment you ease off the gas. It's REALLY noticeable on ice.

That's about it really. Just don't hit the gas all the time unless you're on flat ground.

>>530100109
Neanderthal brains only find this shit attractive
I don't understand cumbrains, they mod in the most tasteless shit ever in the game and cope that "it's not to look at a mans ass"
how the fuck can you see someone's bottom when you have a cape in front of it and most of the time you're focused what the fuck your team mates are doing and/or just looking out for the enemy

>>530099167
Keep it in (D)rive at all times because 1/2 suck for various reasons. 1 has a single use case, being getting up a steep hill that you can't climb otherwise. Maxing out your rpm also sounds like shit so Drive wins by default anyway.
Feather the throttle to avoid spinning out and/or going too fast, get comfortable using the handbrake for most turns which also feels cool as fuck when you get the hang of it and don't accelerate down hills etc where you will lose control. You just need a cool, controlled cruise.
You can also pull off a gnarly reverse trick by reversing, letting go of S, start turning and double tap Shift to get you into Drive again and you'll get going without having to stop.
Also anecdotally, handbraking and doing a spin when going up and off a hill at high speeds is more reliable than just sending it straight over the hill, I tend to survive or avoid flipping much more often. Just brake before the crest and try to go straight. Or you could slow down like a dweeb.

>>530100914
You can still use your quasar canon even if you're completely out of ammo. Support weapons are most of the time the first to run out of ammo especially AT support weapons on bots.

>>530100680
Don't full throttle the frv unless there's a clear, obstructionless strip of land, use the handbrake for sick drifts and quick turns, and slow down if you need to drive over a ledge or rock. Like, really slow down.

>>530100323
>the lack of ammo comes at the cost of not being able to quickly turn ammo into dead heavies like any other dedicated support weapon
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>530100914
Scythe and Talon :)

>>530100760
>and so it has one of, if not the, quickest TTKs on them for a backpackless support weapon,

Debateable honestly. Ignoring obvious shit like eats, AMR does the same job while also sniping medium chaff.
It doesn't even feel reliable for head popping bile titans, and with the reload speed you're putting so much time into reloading between fights that you can't use your primary.

It feels like a high alpha gun that you don't want to use in extended fights, but the alpha really isn't anything insane like airburst.
It feels like it's paying heavy for the no backpack tax. Maybe I need to bring a dog with it to offset the lack of sustain.

Like it feels balanced, and I honestly like the concept and feel of the gun.
I think my issue is just it's really inconsistant and unreliable.

>>530100931
>drive in 1
Terrible acceleration and sounds like shit
>>530101229
The occasional peek is what makes it good. Way better than a flat out nude, capeless model.

>>530099524
holy fuck what is happening, are you able to join?

>>530101563
>capeless
anyone that picks this should be shot into a mass grave

>>530101563
>The occasional peek is what makes it good
This.
Getting an ass shot from time to time activates the monkey brain.
Honestly I don't even know why they bother showing the front armor when 99% of the armor is the ass.

>>530100914
You have a free backpack slot when you take the quasar. Take a supply backpack and you have infinite ammo, stims and grenades.

>>530101756
>taking supply pack with queso

Nigga what, that defeats the entire purpose of queso. You want something that keeps you mobile or something that helps you kill more shit like a dog.

Goon.

>>530101552
AMR takes more then a mag which means you can't dump it into a BT to quickly kill and then not worry about reloading until you've got down time. AMR also is one nigga at a time while the grenades obviously are capable of doing more. I do agree that it's clearly designed around being run with a dog, most likely the arc dog, which does a good job at stunning chargers to set up an easy blast on their ass, but a dog is really the only reason I'd take a backpackless support weapon on bugs where the PHB isn't needed since I don't ever feel like I need the supply pack while the jetpack and hoverpack are memes.

>>530099524
new link
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241195243191/76561199098688384

>>530100914
Completely refilling a primary, secondary or Guard Dog only requires two ammo boxes at most, with obvious exceptions for the special secondaries like Grenade Pistol. If you want to refill your Recoilless from ammo boxes, you'll need to find up to six of them, or call down a Resupply. Most POIs will only have one or two ammo boxes at most.

>>530102163
WE GOON

>>530102198
>hoverpack are memes.
It's a good meme.

But yeah, I think I'd take some shit like punisher/slugger with it. Maybe blitzer.
I need to try rocketpods/strafing run just to soften up heavies and save some shots.

>>530101883
>Take all energy weapons
>Take medic armor
>No longer need ammo so now you can exclusively stim and resupply your teammates

>>530102220
2/4

>>530102220
Will sweedistan let us play?

>>530102495
At that point just bring jet pack and stim pistol.
Queso means you don't need to take taps from resupply and that'll give your allies more than enough supplies. Stim pistol can let you live the femboy fantasy of directly helping your team too.

>>530102554
3/4

>>530102969
ACKKKKKKKKK

>>530102163
I love modding

>>530100931
>>530101257
>>530101416
Thanks anons, i'll start practicing now, expect great things soon™

i give up someone else host

>Quasar + supply back pack
>Quasar + hellbomb backpack
>Quasar + Jetpack
loudout of the gods
>Quasar + dog backpack
You're better off taking the recoilles and a random sentry

>>530103234
>>530102220
I will host
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241195760004/76561198071882978

>>530103259
>magically shows up and runs your sentry over

I miss base chargers, behemoths suck to fight.

>>530103416
3/4
Grab a random loadout https://hd2random.com

>>530102163
Fuck she's beautiful

>>530103416
Full

>>530103619
>I miss base chargers, behemoths suck to fight
did you dream while you were in your coma, anon?

>>530103619
>Behemoth charger is now basically the same as regular charger because people can't handle not being able to instantly kill them easily
Yea, it's tough

>>530085915
For me? EAT on every front.

Throw that shit off cooldown so even Quasar divers use the free EATs

>>530103816
>tfw no fascist jackboot musclemommy

Input lag and unresponsive controls or just me?

>>530099167
that bitch just flips on every hill, the secret is to flip in a way that will eventually land you back on mwheels all the while avoiding insta blow up spot

>>530097221
Predator = Incel corpse > Bots >>>>> Squids >>>> Bugs >>>>>>>> Jeet brigade

>>530097221
Bugfags are uppity after they begged dev to nerf bot to the ground so they can play it in the first place

>>530104057
The EAT went out of fashion and I don't know why.

>>530103259
>Hellbomb with Quasar

If you're going allahuackbar build, it's better to bring both EAT and Commando to become a disposable diver loadout

>>530103973
>>530104025
>chargers
>can be killed by AP4 in multiple ways, butts actually function as a weak point
>Behemoths
>Lol bring rockets or explosives and one tap them

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Charger
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Charger_Behemoth

I would have preferred if they made behemoths the ap4 check, not an eat check.
Makes bugs way too mono buildy.

>>530104057
>even Quasar divers use the free EATs
literally happened in my last game, fucker stole my EAT

>>530104414
You're probably right I just like the quasar because it can snipe fabricators across the map.

>>530104432
Both just get one tapped easily by AT or die to a thermite.

>>530104395
I still see it occasionally, just not on Gatria because that's the planet with ion storms that prevent you from calling in EATs.

>>530104660
Yeah and that's gay. Behemoths should shrug off rockets, and have lower durability.

>>530104723
Behemoth used to be unique when they take 2 rockets for the head or do the leg strip. SPEAR had a place because they could 1 shot bt/behemoth but now every other AT are more efficient and easier. You can still kill the behemoth butt fairly quickly with AP 4 weapons, but AT and thermite are just so fast you never really get to it

>>530104723
>pros and cons for enemies
>the heavier, thicker armor of a behemoth charger comes with slower movement and weaker weakspots
such nuance is not allowed. More armor, more health, more durable and an even tighter turn radius.

>>530103619
Need charger wife

>>530105006
Yeah I remember that shit. It was a cool niche because the flamethrower / arc thrower would cook them, and people had to use rockets on bile titans.

>>530105152
I just don't get why they made their butts 100% durable. It feels like they forgot about that.

>>530105152
behemoths could have been tougher chargers with their own unique behaviors but swiggers made them replace all chargers on higher difficulties and no one liked using more than one shot of a dedicated AT stratagem to kill a common heavy unit.

>>530105152
>More armor, more health, more durable
The game would be better if we would need to use armour stripping weapons in synergy with low penetration weapons. Something like the illuminate shields but the other way around.

>>530105875
You'd think so.
My guess is that they're afraid of how much it'd break the meta. AC would completely neuter every front.

>>530104432
are you seriously implying you can't kill behemoths with AP4 weapons?

>https://x.com/Iron_S1ghts/status/1941624892996321304
>new squid content is literally just old side objectives but there's more this time :)
Grim. Whoever said Illuminates felt like a half assed DLC for some triple AAA game was fucking right.

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241197840379/76561198141964882

bugdiving
(again)

>>530106692
Yeah? It takes 79 shots to the face to headshot a behemoth with the HMG.
That's pretty fucking retarded, legging it is unreliable with how fast it moves as well.

Aiming for the butt is not consistant enough, and even side shots aren't consistant. It's supposed to pop them from the side, but in practice I've never split a behemoth side with the HMG.
Compare that to the charger, and it's a world of difference.

Rockets just completely shit all over bugs in comparison, and you are much better off bringing eats or recoiless.

>>530106776
Wake me up when they remove the Voteless and Fleshmobs from that faction.

>>530106776
>These monoliths can be used to "target" other planets, manipulating their gravitational pull in some way.
I don't think Swiggers know how gravity or even planets work

>>530107131
>Yeah? It takes 79 shots to the face to headshot a behemoth with the HMG.
>he fell for the idiot trap of shooting chargers in the face with AP4 weapons just because you can now
the butt was and still is the best spot to shoot chargers for anything that isn't heavy AT

>>530106951
3/4
1 slot left for (you)

>>530106776
How'd you come to that conclusion, retardman?

>>530106951
FULL

>>530107509
Voteless are fine, and all Fleshmobs need is more reasons to shoot the heads, legs, and arms.

>>530107796
>retard calls others retard because they can't read
Jokes right themselves

>>530107585
>You brought a heavy weapon for killing heavies?
>You'll need to move around and whip it around to shoot them in the backside

I don't know, that just seems obscenely retarded.
Imagine if that's how hulks worked. Like they were just unkillable outside of rockets from the front and you had to whip them around to deal any damage with any weapon. At that point just take something like the plasma gun for your primary and do the same thing? It's easier to control, and kills it in only 7 shots, and it does it in 1/3 the time.

>>530108180
It's not retarded because non-AT weapons are more flexible and efficient than AT weapons on everything else.
>Just make non-AT as good as killing heavy as AT.
Yea that's stupid

Factory Strider < Factory Spider

>>530108479
Imagine a moving bot fortress with a jammer as its heart.

Are any of the Killzone weapons even good

Trying to stop being a pussy and doing more D9/10 missions. Is it better to run a backpack slot, or recoilless and a sentry?

>>530108180
the HMG , AMR, and autocannon are not anti-heavyweapons. they CAN kill heavies but that is not their role or purpose, just something they can do in a pinch if no other, better, options are available

>>530108892
The primaries were Liberator tier, but since the weapon customization they're really hard to recommend. I like the Wasp. It deletes gunships without thinking, it destroys medium bugs and often splashes the little guys. I don't like it against squids.

>>530108417
>Just make non-AT as good as killing heavy as AT.
>Yea that's stupid
For killing chargers? Why is that stupid.


>non-AT weapons are more flexible and efficient than AT
I don't really see that.
What's the point of flexibility when you're just bad at everything.
>80% of the mag to kill one heavy
>Too slow and cumbersome to kill lite chaff
>can mow through Medium chaff, but so can everything else

In my experience this sort of locks you into taking thermite, 500s, torcher, and or peak physique.
Maybe I'm wrong, but AT rockets do everything so efficiently, and anti-chaff is so easy to come by, that HMG is sort of disproportionately on the backfoot comparitvely. It's fun, but it just seems weird it can't kill chargers from the front efficiently with the right setup. HMG has such a small niche for bugs, that it really should be able to kill heavier bugs like chargers, same with railgun/AMR.

>>530109278
AC honestly does a fantastic and efficient job at killing heavies because of it's durable damage.

>>530109278
The HMG should, because if it effectively can't, there is no reason to bring it over the MMG.

>>530108180
Not all heavy weapons are created equal.

>>530109295
I see the WASP recommended for Illuminates a lot. Mainly for the jetpack squids

>>530109631
They're honestly perfectly fine on the other fronts, its just this one enemy that they should be good at killing they're not because everyone needs to kneel to rocket chads.

>>530108479
>we go from cyborgs to automatons to finally achieve cybrans

>>530109764
WASP is disgustingly powerful against jetpack bots too. 1 rocket will often kill jetpack hulks, sometimes multiple of them when they are clustered together, and it's also very effective against patrols thanks to all the jetpacks that can explode.

>>530109764
I probably need to get gud against squids, I just don't find the squids as fun and lack experience with them. I'd rather bring EATs and a Guard Dog personally.

>>530109764
I keep bringing WASP for squids because of my seething hatred for overseers, and a burst from it can also deal with fatsos if needed

>>530108892
The StA-52 is just the stock Liberator with slight stats swap. The StA-11 is a worse K***ht that occasionally eats magazines if you fuck up a reload. The VC-39 is still trash-ish even after they fixed the drag issue. And all of them are utter garbage because they can't be customized, making them strictly inferior to other weapons in the same class.

Acclimated is useful sometimes since it provides status resist. Against squids it prevents Lightning Spires from one-shotting you while also providing protection against fire and gas from your own crowd-control weaponry. Similar against bugs since it has acid resist.

The Wasp is stupidly good, it's a very strong medium killer and fucks shit up against bots (Devastators, Berserkers, Rocket Striders, Bunker Turrets, Gunships) and squids (Elevated Overseers, Observers, Stingrays, Fleshmobs). I haven't found much use for it against bugs though.

>>530110553
>The VC-39 is still trash-ish even after they fixed the drag issue.
>kills all charger variants, hulks, tanks, and towers in 2 burst to their respective weakspots, now from any range instead of just inside of 20 meters
it's probably the best anti-heavy primary in the armoury

>>530106951

sweden DC'd me... im coning back

Amendment is actually not that shitty of a gun bros
Plus you can instakill teammates with the bayonet, very cool

>>530110553
The vc-39 is great, I won't tolerate slander against it. I treat it more like a pseudo-support weapon similar to the likes of eruptor. You kinda have to build around it due to its weak ammo economy.
It's okay against bots and bugs but it really fucks up squids if you can land all your shots.

>>530110869
Maybe I'll give it another shot. It just feels like it locked you into a Stalwart or some other anti-chaff weapon.

>>530106951
I committed the grave sin of accidentaly going to the "patterns" tab of weapon customization. I'm sorry, sweden.
>>530111074
I believe it might've been my fault, see above

>>530111076
Never was shit, they buffed it into the stratosphere with the ergo change.

>>530111092
Aside from Stalwart I don't even know any anti shitter support weapon, I just never consider primaries to be replacements for how strong support weapons are at killing medium and heavy enemies.

>>530111074
I'm inviting you back in, just accept it through the in-game menu

>>530108981
It doesn't really matter. It depends on your overall set up

Bugs are not hard.
2 Deaths were from Bile Titans
One because I was stupid and didnt respect the vomit
The second was because a fart plant fucked my speed
The rest has been people being retarded with explosives.

>>530111865
Cope

>>530111925
If its cope then why is it true?

>>530109540
Non-AT support can deal with chaff by AOE, volume of fire, or just having power to kill armored medium quickly compared to your primary. Sorry the game isn't absolutely in a trash state despite of the neutering that would allow you to dump an AP4 weapon into the head of a charger to kill it easily yet

>>530112020
Sneeding

>>530109914
And it shits on spewers on bong cloud planets, locking on through the haze.

>>530108981
The Recoilless is the meta slave choice. I enjoy using the Flamethrower/HMG against bugs, Laser Cannon/Railgun against bots and literally almost anything against Ayyluminate. Using the backpack slot is optional.

>>530112032
>Railgun and AMR
>Non-AT support can deal with chaff by AOE, volume of fire, or just having power to kill armored medium quickly compared to your primary

Meanwhile the recoiless can also do this by swapping fire modes.
Hell the grenade launcher does all of that better than those two, and it efficiently kills heavies.

>Oh but those other weapons?
>No they can't head pop chargers because that would just break the game
>why?
>UHHH-uhhHHhH

Also don't act like killing chaff with a support weapon is some major achievement. There are 5 gorillion strategems out there that will do that for you and completely map wipe the board. AP4 is not meant for chaff clear, it's for medium heavies. That's it's function on every other front.

>>530112612
AMR is not ideal for bug but it is already extremely good for bot and squid. It is still good on bug for spewer and predator strain
Railgun is more of an unconventional AT. Maybe it should be buff
Recoiless? Fire mode? You mean AC then yea, AC should get nerfed
Grenade launcher has to kill charger by hitting it on the rail as well and takes roughly as long as other non-AT support.

>>530112612
There are also tons of stratagem as well as thermite that can kill heavy so idk why stratagem that kill chaff is an argument.

Now that its canon that Super Earth consumes Terminids

What do they taste like?

>>530113058
Railgun is VERY good on squid fronts if you dont want to bring AMR

One headshot overseers
One shot stingrays on unsafe mode
2-3 shots Harvester joints

>>530094513
that sure is a lot of content for a small indie studio that isnt interested in creating content

>>530113901
>2-3 shots Harvester joints
is it not just 1 on high charge?

>>530113927
I mean, this wouldn't be the first swedish made co-op game where development was stifled and the live service put on hold by console ports taking up development time for half a year to a year.
It would also not be the first time development picked right up after the port was released.

>>530113207
>There are also tons of stratagem as well as thermite that can kill heavy

Efficiently on bugs?
>500 / Maybe rocket pods
That's about it. Rocketpods will help your guns if you're lucky and they hit weakspots, but now you're taking two strategems to do the same job as one.

Meanwhile chaff killing... I don't have the time to name every single one of them, while you also have grenades and your primary which all do this amazingly. The entire game is practically revolved around chaff killing.

>>530113058
Grenade launcher has to kill charger by hitting it on the rail as well and takes roughly as long as other non-AT support.
About 4 shots, 3 if you direct hit. You can do it from the front pretty reliably as well.
AMR takes about 7 shots.
Honestly my problem is just that these kind of guns don't kill behemoths, when that's like the one thing they should be good at.
They made it inconsistant on the bug front for some weird reason.

>>530113756
Spicy crab

>>530113901
That's okay but not impressive.
I think it just need a bit more buff. Imo, it should have infinite penetration and being able to hit multiple enemies lining up for full damage. That would be neat on top of its AT capability atm

>>530113756
meat

>>530096929
120, strafe, and free slot for whatever. gatling maybe. 120 and strafe pretty much handle everything. pyrotechs for striders if I'm close enough. ultimatum for hulks and tanks that get too close or i cant lock on the back of.
>>530099236
wasp is good at popping the strider's cannon then after that it's pretty much dead bot walking

>>530114270
That'd honestly be cool, I wish they just brought back the stagger though.

>>530114129
>Honestly my problem is just that these kind of guns don't kill behemoths,
go shoot a behemoth in the ass with the AMR
oh it fucking dies in 6 shots? so it can kill behemoths
stop saying these weapons can't kill behemoths. say what you actually mean so your argument isn't rooted in hyperbole. you don't like that they are slower at killing behemoths from the front than dedicated heavy-AT weapons. that's your argument, not that they can't kill them, full stop, at all.

>>530087869
>>530090189
>finishing the mission almost twice as fast BAD hurdur

>>530114129
AC/rocket sentry can kill multiple charger/bt on a good placement
Any eagle does good damage to bt/charger. Eagle strike cam straight up kill a charger/behemoth or at least open a leg on a non-direct hit. Strafing can do a lot due to its volume as well
AC barrage can kill heavy
AT emplacement can kill heavy
Napalm barrage can clear on behemoth/charger.

new swede jank.... evac terminal fails to come down.... we are fuckt

so when are swiggers going to look at the amount of female armor slop mods and say
>maybe we should just add a third bodytype and bodytype voice preferences for the randomizer setting
there's a clear and obvious demand for it

>>530114597
>you don't like that they are slower at killing behemoths from the front than dedicated heavy-AT weapons. that's your argument, not that they can't kill them, full stop, at all.

lmao calm down, yeah I didn't say that.
I think it's stupid it can't kill it from the front, and it needs to shoot it in the back innefficiently like every other weapon can.
Again wrapping around to fighting hulks.


>>530114709
I need to try strafing on bugs again.
Honestly my problem isn't really killing heavies, it's just my support weapon is kinda useless at doing it, while also being pretty mid with everything else.

Brand new bugs are being discovered on /hdg/ lobbies
place your bets
will the pelican arrive to save us once the timer is over?
/hdg/ will see in 5 minutes!

>>530115067
Well the mods already do it. Maybe when tencent rolls in we'll get more gooner shit.
Honestly what I'm wondering is if we'll ever get like a face face for the player.
I think the idea is they wanna keep the helldiver kinda blank and androgynous, just cause they're funnier little tards that way

>>530115319
One time I had a bug where a pubbie boarded a pelican as soon as it landed (It was the automatic calldown pelican when the mission timer expires,)
And the pubbie fucking crashed as soon as the boarding animation started. It totally fucked the game because now the pelican wouldn't take up anybody and the 20-second touchoff timer broke and kept looping infinitely.
We actually had to kill ourselves until our lives ran out for the mission to complete.

>>530115319
Get a shovel and start digging.

we got gameplay at the last 30 seconds

>make cop warbond
>entire warbond built around setting up stuns and locking things down with urchins
>Armor is just lol bonus health and mini explosive resistance

Man. It's good armor, but I can't think of anything in the warbond that you really could benefit with the armor.
Maybe stunlocking shit and throwing impacts at your feet?

>>530115173
>I think it's stupid it can't kill it from the front,
but.. it can
anon
stop saying these weapons CAN NOT kill them from the front. they objectively, factually, literally can. stop using hyperbole and state your ACTUAL argument, please. for the sake of making a better argument in the future state your actual problem instead of immediately resorting to hyperbole that can be immediately dismissed

seems the pelican is coming
gameplay is gone

>>530115391
it don't even need to be gooner coded, seeing as the larger improved female armor pack(s) exist, it just needs to be-
>brawny male
>amiguously lean
>definitely female
and if they really wanted they could go further with
>butch amazon
the brawny lean inexplicit dichotomy is a halfassed compromise, frankly

>>530116198
This desu

>>530115319
the pelican did arrive
but we also killed ourselves to assert dominance.
incredible how fucked this game is. We had a stalker nest literally ~100m away from us and not a single one spawned until we went in there.

>>530116198
I always thought brawny and lean was meant to be like a joke.
>Heres the same character but a little thinner

I mean yeah i'd like a normal female body or whatever, but I don't really see the point. If theres no literal sex appeal, then it's not necessary.

>>530116416
>We had a stalker nest literally ~100m away from us and not a single one spawned until we went in there.

The recent stealth change fucked the spawner, they no longer spawn enemies until they detect you.

>>530116487
the utility is obvious; built in vanilla lite sex appeal ala improved female armors, and the ability to overwrite a separately existing female specific bodytype with goon armors without Yuri Lowenthal screaming "I'M BLEEDING OUT" from within the flesh of your leandiver (male) random voice-spawned self or a squadmate who's been transmogrified into a K-cupped coombomination that absolutely should not sound like Marvel's Spiderman

>>530116487
>If theres no literal sex appeal, then it's not necessary.
What kind of coomer take even is this?

>>530109914
What do you do against harvesters?

>>530110349
What do you against harvesters?

>>530116967
>>530117002
I mean if they add a more feminine armor, and its not like actually sexually appealing. Yknow like actually feminine. What's the point. Just use the BFA shit we already have that slightly squeezes the waist a bit.

Like the female body is inheritantly sexy, but when I mean literal sex appeal. I mean something appealing that's feminine. Not something that makes me want to cram my dick in it.

>>530108083
>one new side objective to go with the actual faction itself (cultists)
WAOOOOOOOOOOW DA SWIGGERS ARE A FUCKING JOOOOOOOOKE

>>530117251
You shoot their leg joint with your ap3+ weapon of choice. If you mean the wasp specifically then all you can really do is magdump and hope it dies in one barrage.

>>530115616
you cant fuck up the ground the extract lands on. I tried it. You have to wait out the timer or suicide enough times that you run out of spawns.

>>530087540
>>530088012
If if the factory strider is far away, it's not a threat and you can just shoot it in the eye a second time after a few seconds. You may not get that chance since everyone and their mother is trying to poke the thing's eye, so it may just be dead before you can take a second shot. If the factory strider is up close then you can just shoot it in the foot and finish it off with a sparkler.

I honestly struggle to imagine why I'd waste my time bringing an RR to any front. After the waves of enemy nerfs this past year, heavies just aren't common enough on any front to really justify ever bringing it. Especially with how amazing things like Eagle Strafe are after the buffs. EAT/quasar/commando are more than enough and leave your backpack slot free. The game is really easy after the enemy nerfs though. There's no real need to seriously min-max. Go ahead and bring the RR if you enjoy it.

>>530104057
EATs are superb. The quasar plays nicer when jetpacking to high ground because 99% of the high ground vantage points are all still bouncy, so you can't resupply the EAT without jumping back down to the ground floor.

>>530117318
>What's the point.
to physiologically segregate lanklets from womanlets while stealing BFA's homework, for an ultimate PR win with the majority of the playerbase on a minimum of work that can fit between the next sixteen back to back vacations?

>>529946725
>>529946993
>>529963696
I appreciate your answers.
https://youtu.be/Jhdd1HoMcYM

any d10 lobbies? I wanna see if I have what it takes (without playing with retard randoms)

>>530117318
>when I mean literal sex appeal. I mean something appealing that's feminine. Not something that makes me want to cram my dick in it.
>If theres no literal sex appeal, then it's not necessary.
Yeah, you're definitely backpedaling. Women exist, and people should be alowed to play as a character that appears to be a women even if a woman in armor isn't sexy enough for you to choke your cock to.

>>530115797
>>530116081
>>530116416
Bro buy a graphics card

>>530117318
What sorta armor do you think they’d add if they were to try something more feminine

>>530118021
Host one and you'll find out.

>>530118115
>say literal sex appeal because I mean the literal gender sex
>backpedalling

>>530118163
I don't even know about new armor. Maybe more skirts to armors?

>>530100323
Primary weapons damn near fully resupply from ammo boxes. One is enough to top you up most of the time. Two will do it if you're near empty. The RR barely gets any ammo from ordinary POI ammo boxes. With a quasar cannon you don't care if some idiot wasted the resupply in the middle of nowhere because it's easy to keep your primary weapon topped up at POIs and your AT weapon doesn't need a supply crate to stay fed.

Also, while I'm not advocating to get killed, in a worst case scenario your primary weapon gets resupplyed when you die and respawn. A quick corpse run to the quasar and you're back at 100%. In contrast a corpse run to an empty RR still just nets you an empty RR.

>>530102198
>jetpack is a meme
boosting mobility is never a meme.
>hoverpack is a meme
The hoverpack has some utility in those "stand around and waste time killing waves of bugs" missions. You can climb up onto something that the bugs can't reach and just shoot fish in a barrel. The only threat is the bile titan, which you can kill with the quasar.

>>530118352
Kilt capes would be sweet

Anything happen yet?

>>530116487
the female form is sex appeal

>>530118924
The gooning never stops

I personally enjoy the more overt female form that BFA uses.
It's clearly female but still tasteful.

>>530118658
Hoverpack would be really good if you can shorten the hover, maybe not immediately like jetpack, but after a short amount of time

>>530119365
That's really all they'd need to add.

>>530119365
There were a bunch of redditors and a tranny seething at it because women looking like women was "degrading"

With the xbox series s update, will we ever see events the likes of the TCS again?
Having the sky get absolutely choked up by shriekers was maximum kino, especially after barely managing to activate the generators.

Been running flamethrowers with light armour and a shield gen pack on bugs. Its surprisingly effect. Most of the damage I take is from being on fire. Its fun.

>sentries and mortars

yawn, most boring shit + team kills

>>530120494
Shield pack does a decent job keeping you from lighting yourself on fire, but it always makes me feel like a shitter whenever I take it

>>530109854
https://youtu.be/QVl13t7Q3o0

>>530120891
Does it? I havnt noticed much of a difference but I do sometimes notice Im set on fire them immediately put out. I wouldnt worry about feeling like a shitter. Using the shield pack makes me more bold. I guess knowing how much damage I've taken and using it as an indicate to back off for a bit makes me take more risks. Like I dive under the bellies of bile titans way more with it than without.

>>530121292
You ever try the hover pack with the flamethrower?

>>530121514
I have. Its pretty fun. Flying into the face of a titan is always sometime i find an excuse to do. And flying over the bugs and lighting them on fire makes me feel like Im in warhammer or something. Like Im doing gods work.

What a Just World would give us in tandem with the Xbox release

>New Halo 3: ODST inspired Warbond complete with
>Bog standard Halo 3: ODST armor ala Rookie
>A variant such as Buck, Dutch or Romeo's sets
>Suppressed SMG
>Suppressed Pistol
>SPNKr Rocket Launcher Stratagem
>New Armor Passive: Stamina is converted into HP when your HP hits 1% -- Damage in this stage drains your Stamina, and when hitting 0% stamina from either sprinting too long or taking too much damage, you die.

>>530120494
Uploading a virus into robodiver that makes her addicted to deepthroating cock

>>530119924
Uh, but the body types are Brawny and Lean, there are no women.

>>530120494
replace shield with a fart dog. you want to get close anyways and the dog will blind everything near you.

>>530120494
My favourite bug loadout is torcher + jetpack + commando, grab the flame armour and just zip around absolutely toasting everything.

>>530115319
>>530115797
>>530116081
Nigga, wtf is that disgusting ass graphic? How the hell can you play the game with it looking like pure shit?

>>530118156
>>530122126
thats just gatria

>>530122007
Ill try that next time I log in.
>>530122023
Its funny you mentioned that because I've been thinking about trying that as well.

>>530120494
I like the robodiver. She cute.

>>530122339
keep in mind blind bugs will swing wildly so if they're facing you (they usually are) they'll often flail towards you. if you step backwards they're easy to avoid and just roast em.

Helldivers could have been a Halo game, Microsoft dropped the ball so hard

>>530120494
I hate you and your vile slop.
I will pick a poorly made Paint meme over AI slop a million times over.

>>530122250
Looks ok to me

>>530123760
puke fov

>>530120494
Ai faggot and Avatar nigger truly the niggerest of niggers

go forth my swarm

>recommend urchin to buddy with flamethrower a billion times, writes it off each time
>FINALLY takes it
>Hates it
>Takes it again
>"Okay anon... you were right."

It's so good, but it's 100% build dependent. It enables flamethrowers and anything else with long sustain damage.

>>530123754
who is she

>>530120494
>>530123754
jesus christ, AI art is just fucking theft

>this game represents humanity trapped in an existential Hell of eternal conflict until the will to fight finally breaks
You ever think maybe Super Earth actually lost the war and humanity is trapped in a simulation?

>>530125392
The existence of brown people is more than enough proof for me to know this is hell

>>530125392
The fun part is that it's not just an existential hell of eternal conflict, it's an existential hell of eternal conflict of their own creation.

So is the rumor about another buff patch to coincide with the Xbox players true? If so, then why?! The game doesn't need to be dumb down anymore.

what's the deal with the deadeye's bullet? sometimes on near-misses of chicken rockets i know i didnt hit the actual rocket but it explodes anyway, like the bullet shattered on impact or ricocheted or something

>>530123754
>I will pick a poorly made Paint meme over AI slop a million times over
post em

>quick join sos beacon
>it's a lean diver
>notice that they have Japanese audio through their open mic
>"Thanks for the rescue:)" in the chat at mission completion.

VERY suspicious.

>>530124359
I want a turret that just dispenses these.

They're going to optimize the game for the series S and we'll have a much better experience overall
Be sure to thank xbros

>>530126113
They're going to have to reduce enemy spawns across the board in order to run on xbox.

>>530126113
ACKtually sweetie pie, it does. A game made for nobody is a game for everybody. ;)))))))))))

>>530126113
there are some things that could get buffed without ruining the balance, like armshield and.....

>>530126367
swedie* pie

>new ship names for xbox launch
>PILLAR OF FAMILY VALUES
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>xbox compatibility
oh, so more bugniggers huh?

>>530126323
>deploy a minelayer pod that releases dozens of seeker grenades instead of mines
>directly into the center of a bot fortress
>they all fly into the vents of every spawner and eviscerate the base in seconds
The Ukranian Special. Too kino for swiggers.

>>530126189
It is possible the sights are out of alignment like on many other rifles in this game. You weren't on target, but neither was the gun.

>>530126113
That's a good thing though because the game is still way too difficult. D10 is not beatable in its current state.

>>530120494
>>530123754
I want to see these two yelling at eachother

>>530123760
Unironically just run the game natively at 1440p. It's less resource-intensive that this slop upscaling they've implemented.

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241213116905/76561199108851031
d10 whatevs

>>530126312
The bilingual mind frightens and angers the American.

>>530127570
2/4

>>530127702
...That wasn't what he was suspicious about.

>>530127881
What's suspicious about a Japanese leandiver (male)?

>>530126312
You gave them a good dicking in the super destroyer, right?

>>530127947
Ryona divers assemble

>>530127570
full

Ehrm... sir? You need to wait for everyone to be in the pod before you can pick a drop point because.... you just do, okay?

Is it worth bringing over thermite?

>>530128919
Yes absolutely, if you know what you're doing.
On bots its basically 6 thermites.

>>530128919
They have a surprising number of use cases and you get 6 of them, which is pretty good.

>set render distance to low on my gayman laptop to try and max fps (move speed is tied to frame rate)
>patrols spawn at host render distance
>patrols all spawn 50m away every 30 seconds and beeline towards me, usually directly where I need to be
>trying to run just spawns a new patrol right where I'm running to

It's Sunday in India

>>530129389
none of these things are true

>>530129389
The game always spawns patrols near you and they always beeline towards your last known location right where they spawn. But the game also despawn non active units, you can see this often when you're stealth diving on a full team. Sometimes a bile titan and some chargers would just despawn into thin airs.

>bugdiving inna big city
>foggy as shit, fall down a massive sinkhole that goes straight through the bottom of the map and lose all my shit
>100 percent the mission, get only two stars because half the side objectives didnt count for some fucking reason
What the fuck is going on? Super Earth wasn't this fucking bad. Is this why cities always slow the MO down? SWWWWWIIIIGGGGGGEEEEERRRRRSSSSS!!!

>>530128919
>I NEED MY THERMITE CRUTCH AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>530130596
>>530126367
mental illness

>>530130638
>Crutch! Crutch! Crutch!
Yeeees, mister nerftranny....everything's a crutch.

Is the de-escalator actually bugged?

>[thing] is good
>call it a crutch
>[thing] is bad
>call it garbage and you're a retard or tranny if you use it

>>530131723
I couldn't care less about what /hdg/ trannies have to say, I just play the game to have fun.

Why did no one tell me how fun Blitzer is on bugs.
Just - ZAP. Decap
ZAP- bug explodes
ZAP - stunned

Been using it with Lazer dog and you just shred through things. No ammo, no thought, just kersplode bugs.

>>530126078
It's really fucking depressing to think about, personally.

I don't get why people are going crazy about the warbond token? Genuinely what's the big deal?

daily reminder, bot is the easiest faction in the game and you're a pretentious shitter for saying otherwise

>>530132348
I'm being real saying none of the factions are really fun to fight and they all kinda suck to fight in their own way

>>530132256
>Make warbond token
>Can only buy warbonds with le warbond token
>Super credits mean nothing

>>530132256
paypigas won't have to send in a support ticket if they buy the super citizen upgrade
they will also show up as loot

>>530132447
So what the fuck is the point of all of this then? I don't even want to play anymore if that's what this means

>>530132348
Bots are easy but fun
Bugs are ever present but fun
Squids are boring and unnecessarily spongey

>>530132514
So super credits aren't a thing anymore?

>>530132447
Per the news on Steam: The warbond token is purely a thing for the Super Citizen Edition Upgrade to replace the Steeled Veterans thing so players don't double-purchase SV.

>>530132242
True, but I honestly really like the juxtaposition between just how silly, lighthearted, and over the top the presentation is, compared to how grim the setting really set itself up to be. It's fun in a fucked up kind of way.

Is there something new? Haven't played in 5 month

>>530132256
This: >>530132717

>>530132717
>>530132906
but this guy>>530132514 is saying they'll show up as loot?

>>530129963
I've have my character run at about half speed on a shit PC where I'm at sub 30fps. Pubbies next to me were able to move fine.
All the other shit might just be anon not seeing enemies until close because of render distance.

>>530132447
>me when I lie
It's just a 1 time use free warbond ticket that comes from purchasing super citizen upgrade. You can use it instead of super credits to purchase any warbond.

>>530132256
Just stupid paranoia, with emphasis on stupid. Morons think that this means that regular SC are going to become worthless, and thus everyone who cheated SC through the arrow mods is going to get screwed over. Or that warbonds are going to increase in price to the same effect. Neither has any proof at all, it's all just trolling and stupidity.

The main reason is just so people can buy whatever warbond they want with Super Citizen, instead of having to send a support ticket if they unlocked Steeled Veterans before Super Citizen. And it's a "new currency" instead of just 1,000 SC so that idiots don't accidentally buy a Superstore armor piece and lose the ability to buy a warbond because of it.

>>530127570
2/4 now, join

hey. you. you aren't /hdg/ approved. you do d10s with your discord boyfriends and a loadout built by the thought process of "what's not le meta?", and now you think you’ve earned a place in /hdg/? cool. me i’m soloing difficulty 10 incel corps with the default loadout. liberator. base. default. no attachments like a pussy. no stratagems. no support weapons. no eagle. no orbital. no turrets. nothing. pistol, grenade, main gun. the way god intended. raw input. mechanical skill. i don’t bring stims. i don’t bring backup. i don’t bring tools. i don’t need strats (all crutches). and i bring results. fuck you. you wanna tell me you beat the game because you and three mouthbreathers play DDR on your wrists and giggle about how the arc thrower is? no. no you didn’t. you’re trash. you’re not a helldiver. you’re a technician. you absolute faggot. the only arc you should be throwing is your limp corpse into the incinerator after wasting oxygen and thread post space. every gun you use is a crutch. everything you equip is a crutch. all of you are crutch-ridden diaper-wearing GARBAGE who couldn’t survive 30 seconds without the game holding your hand and telling you it’s okay to fail. "ermm but my weapon is 'honest'" shut up faggot. you’ve never seen a real bug breach. you’ve never been inside a battle zone where drops stack so hard the game chokes and the screen is nothing but metal and fire. i have 5 mags and a grenade. do you need more? no. because you're not a coward. because you're not a crutch-using, backpack-sucking, stim-snorting, warbond-using piece of shit like the rest of these tourists. because you’re ME. i’m your fucking GOD. i am the standard. i am the benchmark. 1000.0 KDA. no stratagems. no respawns. no heals. i’m the king of /hdg/, you understand? i grind shitdivers into paste. i don’t need the meta. i am the meta. enjoy your RR vs cuckchair arguments. but remember. this is /vg/. this is /hdg/. and you're nothing.

>>530132081
t.recoilles reddit user

>>530132987
People lie on the internet, anon. I certainly doubt that you are going to be able to find the equivalent of 1000sc from a single drop.

>>530133353
Man I hate their monetization so much because of all this retardation

>>530127570
3/4

>>530132554
he's a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about
the warbond token is only for the super citizen edition and the super citizen edition upgrade. it replaces the automatic unlock of steeled veterans you get when you buy either of those so people who already have steeled veterans but not the super citizen edition don't get fucked on the purchase and have to go through customer service to get refunded the 1000 super crdits steeled veteran normally costs. the warbond token can be used to unlock any 1 warbond of your choice. warbonds can still be bought with super credits. warbond tokens are not replacing supercredits.

>>530133308
Field chemist helmet kind of looks like an automaton face

>>530127570
GET IN AIEEE JOIN, NOW!!

>Reddit Carbine
>Reddit Counter-sniper
>double-Reddit Sickle
>Reddit Breaker
>Reddit-ruptor
>Reddit Pistol
>Reddit Grenade
>Orbital Reddit Strike
>Orbital Reddit Barrage
>Reddit Laser
>Reddit Turret
>Reddit Drone
>Reddit Shield
>Reddit Airstrike
>Reddit Bomb
So true!

d10 any steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241218427980

>>530127570
full

>>530084951 (OP)
should i get this as a 40 something yr old bloke that developed social paranoia after being in prison but trying to get over it? should i just get the base game or spend £57 for both?. forza horizon 5 gets a little boring after the weeklies are done.

>>530123760
>1080p
>5080
>95fps
yea fuck that, im not buying it. i have a 5070ti and play 1440p. not going back to 60fps. lol thanks for posting that and saving me the buy refund process

>>530132173
Blitzer has got to be the most boring gun I've ever used in any video game in my life. just hold trigger at zap at a constant interval for 40 minutes straight

>>530134407
yeah its alright

>>530134407
Depends on how averse you are to microtransactions. The game has a large amount of content locked behind a premium currency paywall that you can theoretically get for free just by playing the game. But there's been a huge volume of content added to the game in the year and a half since it's been out, so at some point you will probably succumb to the desire to unlock everything faster.

>last 2 (two) boosters are sampleshit for noobs
either theyre completely creatively bankrupt or the writing was on the wall for an xbox release this whole time and nobody realized it.

Is this the most P2W armor? I swear you never die in this unless you took a direct one shot.

>>530135170
Probably later. Weapon customising is perfect sink for samples. Yet they aren't used there. It makes sense to not add another sink for samples if you have wave of new players coming

>>530124569
Its really good for chargers. Locks them down while you burn their asses off.

>>530135170
Newbie-friendly boosters aren't a bad thing if they want fresh players to join the game. And who knows, the day may eventually come where we get the opportunity to spend more than just 75 Common and 50 Rare samples per day.

>>530135447
No, because Heavy armor isn't the best weight class in the game, and Med Kit isn't the best passive in the game.

>>530135447
>P2W
Siege Ready is the most P2W armor in the game.

>>530123760
>5080
>1080
Dude. Bro.

I wish we had something to spend Super Samples on.

They really want to stretch this out, dont they?

>>530134186
failed

Can't wait for Xbox players. Quality of console players is absolutely abysmal right now. Throwing it more of them will make it even funnier

>medic armor is green to signify to everyone in your squad that you are green (a shitter noob)
bravo, swede

>>530135680
The player base could have just chosen to ignore the city and go for the planetary knockout. Neither one really matters since either the city capture rate is going to increase drastically as the calculation updates the actual capture rate, or we'll just passively capture the planet before the city anyways.

Got 800 kill in game just now. Other one got 500. Two others 200. Which is strange becous they just stayed still and didn't do anything whole map. Barely made it to extraction. I cleared 3 nests. Lidar station. Seaf. Spewer. shriker nest. And main objective. I have no idea what they were doing because I was fighting whole time and ate several bug breaches. Amd they stayed still

Marking location. Nevermind. Cancel that.

>>530135874
My assumption was they wanted to copy Trauma Team's aesthetic but failed colossally by choosing bad colors and style, much like a lot of the rest of the helldivers 2 fashion catalogue. Paradebond and Copbond were remarkable improvements on the game's aesthetic, really.

>>530133278
>>530132717
>>530132554
I'm just saying this is opening up the potential for them to have an alternate way to purchase warbonds when they decide to fuck over SC farmers.

>>530133341
Yes, my tranny friend, I will continue bringing the RR to your lobby and you can't do anything about it
>I-I can just k-kick you....
You wouldn't do shit

>>530134941
Biggest reason why I haven't come back is because of the constant fucking grind for super credit bullshit

>>530134589
>ignore the Ultra Supersampling
that's basically 4k resolution crammed down to 1080p

>>530125343
t. pirates software, movies and games all the time

>>530136139
Uh oh melty

>>530136078
My guess is
A. They think goofy looking armor is funny
B. They want the cool looking armor to actually cost SC

>>530135614
>xe doesn't play competitive PvP games in 1000+ FPS with 560hz monitor
ngmi

>>530136110
They could have just lowered sc spawns or stopped having sc spawn in game entirely if they wanted to do that. I get that swiggers can't be trusted, but I'd rather people save their whining for when something actually happens.

>>530136374
find me a person who pirates a movie and then says "look at this movie I made"

>>530136507
>pirate pirates movie
>provides movie to others without removing original source
>"thanks for the movie bro"

>slopper gens slop
>provides slop to others without removing original sources
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS IS LITERALLY THEFT SO UNETHICAL"

Curious...

>>530136692
they key here is that everyone wants the movie but no one wants the slop

>>530136507
This just made me realize that Youtube poops are basically Ai content before Ai. They're a hodgepodge of preexisting content that's rearranged into something different enough to exist as their own thing.

>>530136821
And what does that have anything to do with it being or not being theft?

>>530136078
that armor looks kinda cool. we could use more baggy clothing. even the fattest armor (gorilla) looks weirdly tight

>>530136857
theft of the brainpower it steals from me from having to process garbage
advertisements are similar

>>530136857
I never said piracy wasn't theft, nor that it was ethical. Did you go to the Ben Shapiro school of debate?

>>530136847
yeah and when Shakespeare wrote Julius Caesar he was basically an AI copying history

Oh it's brown hour, nvm....I will be back when there's more White people in the thread.

>piracy le theft and bad
reddit is two blocks down, xister

>>530137142
That's not what I said at all.

>>530129389
untrue
a heavyily cut down summary of how patrols work:
>spawn 70~110mish from you, from any live bases; if no live bases, from closest map edge from 'player group(group of players within 75m range)'
>being closer to bases and unfinished objectives increaes patrol spawn speed; bigger bases have higher cap
>killing bases also increases mapwide patrol spwan, but only after more than half of the bases are killed
>although it's still alwas better to kill bases anyway to funnel patrol spawns from one direction
>patrols cannot spawn if the spawn point is too close to player; this is how 'quiet extract' happens, when you kill all bases and extraction is too close to map edge for patrols to be given space

Sars please redeem the AI, India superpower by 2026 sars thanks to AI

>pirate the game
>"hmm this game is pretty good"
>open steam and buy the game

>>530137454
I'm allowed to think Ai is cool while also wanting India to be vaporized.

>>530136313
You can choose to just pay for SC to skip the grind. That's the entire reason for which the feature exists.

>>530137479
based, I also do this. If the game is good, it deserve my money and piracy can help you choose which game are worthy of your support.

>>530136495
>happens
>no one whines because retards are like "lol are you poor, can you really not afford 10 dorras"

Im sitting on 1.8k SC but i dont want to buy anything because I want to see what the next warbond is.

>>530137354
Don't forget spawn rate stacks when players split, and it goes up if you're near extract.

GOON.
NOW.

someone redpill me on the Warbond token shit, from what I heard, you can no longer buy the upcoming warbonds using super credits? If so then how do I get warbond tokens? I'm from Russia and apparently Snoy doesn't want my money, the store page are blocked in Russia so I can't make any in-game transaction

>>530138413
You get the token if you bought steeled veterans before upgrading to super citizen and you can redeem it to whatever bound you want, thats it

>>530138413
The warbond token system, as described, is only a solution to a year long problem they've had where the Super Citizen edition upgrade creates a situation where people who already own the Steeled Veterans warbond are screwed out of their purchase bonus. This has caused their support team to basically be flooded by requests for a 1000 SC refund since launch. This is their fix for that problem and no further use of it was mentioned.

>>530138413
>from what I heard, you can no longer buy the upcoming warbonds using super credits
You heard wrong.

>>530120494
hello maam have you are done the?

the warbond token FUD guy and everyone who gives him (you)s is the same person and they hate helldivers 2 and they hate you. not engaging

>>530136078
I think that you're right. I haven't played cyberpunk, but upon seeing that I agree that they probably failed to copy trauma tea.

Are Super Credit Farms still a thing? I dont know how people exit the mission isntantly and stuff... anyone wanna host one..?

>month no 7 of AIsloppa cuckold season
posting AI shit should be against the rules full stop

Bugdivers, is there a landmark that I should be looking for to discern where the bile titan hole is within a mega nest? Before I set foot inside the damn thing, is there a way to know which side of the nest contains the big hole?

>>530138545
>>530138563
I see, thank you

>>530138879
We only have SC farming lobbies popping up during the warbond release day

>>530139161
I need like 6k SC... its over

>>530138879
>I dont know how people exit the mission isntantly
>press ESC
>return to ship alone
>pick new mission
>farm
>repeat

>>530139323
Well I mean I would love to help you but the recent patch broke the SC arrow mod (You can't launch the game with SC arrow mod enabled) and I hate farming SC the traditional way....Maybe some based gigachad here will update it, until then nothing can be done

>>530139338
You can do it and the party remains somehow

>>530138026
>spawn rate stacks when players split
it does not go up for everyone, it merely adds additional spawns for each player group
>isnt that the same thing
spawns for each group =/= global spawn rate increase
it's a specific thing but it is something different

>>530136847
Shit take. AI content is an automated plagiarism algorithm that scrapes input from search engines to churn out derivitive slop. Even calling it 'intelligence' is giving it too much credit.

>>530138292
Looks a bit silly desu

>>530127570
gg
>run to extract
>T4 kills me with his mind

>>530139543
if you're split far enough, think it's like 60 meters. You double spawns, and if you're in an open map they will aggro on the whole squad.

>>530136078
Seriously just add more mag pouches to most armor sets and they'd look 100% more appealing.

>>530138292
GGs

>>530140421
>ominously turns towards the first gyattdiver in sight

>>530140091
But they're not Siege Ready sets.Why do you want bacon flavoured apples?

>>530136363
dlss quality? or is that something else?
>>530134941
£27 AND paywalled?. yea im just gonna play something else.

>>530139517
Crap. I hope that gets updated, I need like 6k more SCs, Im totally behind and I have more medals and Samples than anything

>>530140774
I still find it really funny how he chose bacon flavored apples as his metaphor when applewood smoked bacon is literally a thing.

>>530139859
The power of the mind is a terrible thing to waste...

>>530140091
that green looks kinda gross desu

>>530140774
No I don't want bacon flavored apples actually >>530140863

>>530141019
I like the oil-slick kind of thing it has going on.

>buff liberator every patch until it has 80 damage
>sickle has remained the same since the mag nerf

So was sickle actually OP, or did liberator suck?

the spinach in my pan after i cook it: >>530140091

>>530139920
75, but for open maps yea. only specifically open maps tho, like lunar or desert; otherwise it's not very noticeable so long as you circumvent patrols properly.

>>530140863
The opposite of DLSS, that's DSR, upping the game resolution then downscale it to the native resolution, making the image quality much sharper.

>>530127570
>>530139859
Last mp4. Good games, lads.

What changes are you hoping for in the new buff patch? I'm hoping we get more buffs for the HMG and railgun seeing as how both of those weapons are kinda useless at the moment. Nerf to the pred bugs would be nice too.

>>530141554
I still see people run HMG on bots all the time. Is it really useless? Surely more useful than the fucking railgun at least.

>>530141554
>HMG
>Useless
bad bait.
>Nerf to the pred bugs
REALLY bad bait

>>530141639
It's bait

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241226071002/76561199108851031
whatevs d10

>>530141554
I wouldn't call the HMG useless, but I do think that it deserves one more spare magazine.

>>530141554
The game hasn't launched on xbox yet, saar

>>530097221
There's a weird curve where bots start harder but get more trivialized by knowledge checks than bugs IMO.

>>530141443
>Bots sit there and do nothing
>When they finally decide to shoot, they miss all their shots.
Poor bots. So useless now.

>>530141681
>failed

>>530141659
KYS Alexus

>>530141681
full

>>530141828
>fucking around in a D1
>get spotted by a basic bot
>fucking magdumps me at 100m and I instantly die
bipolar game

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241226481252
d10

>>530141704
I could see that, it's not like it'd really break the HMG.But if you don't get a resupply every time it's up it's hard to handle. Only getting two per resupply also bites hard.

>>530141681
>timed out
cursed lobby
don't join

>>530141554
OCR and OPS to get charges maybe, or just buffs in general to make them worthwhile. I'd also like to see the commando and eruptor nerfed. Commando shouldn't be able to take out shrieker nests or spore spewers in two shots especially when they're primary objectives at times, though I guess they could just buff the health of those. I'd also like dynamite to be maybe stronger in some way.

>>530142065
full

>>530141681
3/4 a retard left kek

>>530141828
>>530142039
These two problems are probably related. On D10, since there are a bajillion bots, each one gets less ai budget, or their aim is artificially worsened, or something.

>>530142217
>Eruptor or commando nerf
KYS nerftroon. HD2 is for everyone, not just sweat lords.

>>530142476
not how it works

>bug diving in a swamp biome
>armored spewer seed
>with predator strain on top
This couldn't possibly get any worse fml.

>take out the trash
>TWO FUCKING LOBBIES pass by
ffffffffffffffffml

>>530142506
They're just too good. I don't want them useless, but eruptor feels best in slot in too many situations and same with the commando. Maybe slightly lower the AOE of the eruptor and change how the commando works against objectives as opposed to to enemies, it functions nicely against foes so I wouldn't want a damage nerf. That being said, dynamite 100% should be heavy pen.

>>530142701
Eruptor feels way too tied down to me. You HAVE to be always ontop of using it. Feels great, but it's very mono-tooled and doesn't let you make use of slots much

>>530142476
>straight up able to just stare at a basic bot in d10 for five minutes straight
It's an odd sort of feel

>>530142762
I see what you mean. Before the attachments update, I would take eruptor always against bots and never, ever switch off because it could fucking rape pretty much everything short of hulks tanks and striders. Made me very adept at swapping to my secondary too. Maybe I'm just biased against it due to overuse, but it's definitely even stronger now that you can use the angled foregrip to adjust it's dumpster ergo.

Why does nobody want to play squidders?

>>530142959
it's just kinda lame

where is the whole "big buff patch" even coming from

>>530142959
Too spongey.

>>530142959
Personally I'm just sick of the mass zombie chaff, doesn't even feel like I'm fighting the illuminate proper. I'm looking forward to their subfactions, hopefully those leaks were real and we get some protoss style zealot and high templar cunts without the fleshmob/voteless spam.

>>530142762
The eruptor gives you more freedom to pick your loadout more than any other primary in the game. I don't know what you're talking about about. It's the most broken primary in the game.

>luddite loses argument
>spams le indian memes and sharts pants over AI
It's yuro hours, browns crying about browns

>>530142959
Not particularly engaging gameplay.

For me—it's the crossbow. The Eruptor's cuter and funnier imouto.

You know I've never actually used the crossbow. If it was like a mini eruptor that launched little exploding bullets I'd probably have at least tried it out, but the fact that it's a silly crossbow just turns me off I guess.

hebe leandivers doko

>>530141554
I hope they weaken the heavies even more. We shouldn't have to depend upon support weapons or stratagems just to quickly kill a bile titian or factory strider. It shouldn't take more than 2 eruptor shots to kill a bile titian. Honestly I hope AH pivots away from any sort of difficulty and just leans more into the epic power fantasy aspect of the game more. Make the game more of an atmospheric sandbox. Most players want a more easy going experience.

>>530142959
They are not fun. They lack unit variety. They have absolutely no mission diversity. You play an ayy operation, it's gonna be save civies/blackbox/raise flag + destroy tower/blitz and that's it. Fucking puddle's worth of content.

>>530142959
most arbitrary faction
either they're instakilling you or they're bumbling retards that you can stand next to for minutes on end without taking a tick of damage
this applies to:
elevated oversaars
harvesters
fleshmobs
stingrays
and of course levy

so their entire roster minus the weakest 2 units
and that's not even mentioning the dark energy barrels and their tesla towers

they we're fun as the weak armor faction until AH gave them the heaviest unit in the game
and i like the thing but it did ruin the 1 draw the entire fuckin faction had

>>530143773
lower the difficulty

>>530142512
Okay smartypants, how does it work. Why are basic chaff more likely to 100 - 0 you on lower difficulties then.

>>530141681
based yuri enjoyer

>>530143997
for what?
even when getting raped by the odd harvester beam and stingray without a light trail
you still clear ops with minimum 17 lives on d10

>>530144103
It's just the nerftranny baiting again, do not give it attention

>>530144164
they're still arbitrary but they lean on the side of bumbling retard so hard they're still the easiest faction in the game
and they're just gonna get even more retarded with xbox crossplay

You know what I think the real problem is with Helldivers' difficulty balance? Both sides of the playerbase love fighting ridiculous amounts of enemies like in higher difficulties, but some players want to actually be challenged by said army of enemies, and the other wants to effortlessly obliterate that same army of enemies.
Lowering the difficulty just removes content and lowers spawns which doesn't actually solve the problem that shitters actually have with the game in a way that feels proper.

>other lobby full
D10, city bugs
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775241229092028/76561198027910192

>>530135903
>city
how exactly do they work again? Does capturing them give a boost/passive benefit or what.

>>530144510
The trick is not making stuff harder to fight, it's just making it so you have to be more efficient fighting it.

All they need to do is lower the play time per mission on higher difficulties. More coordinated players will have a challenge, while casual players can fight the swarms of enemies they want without worry.

>>530141443
>ARBL into a bot drop
>kills go from 31 to 35
man it's so fucking bad on bots

>>530144020
NTA, but from what I've tested it's the surpression system typically.
Bots get like two sweeps on you, and their accuracy will improve each time. The third sweep they nick you. The fourth they nick you again. then the fifth they just dome you repeatedly until you shoot back.

>>530144510
the real problem is that we get stuck with biggest shitters of any coop game, how often do you see fags bitch about how "hard" the game is on drg or darktide and how they should make it easier

>>530144730
forgot to mention, surpressing them basically resets their aim.

>>530144631
>The trick is not making stuff harder to fight, it's just making it so you have to be more efficient fighting it.
No, chud, that would also count as artificial difficulty. Anything that makes the game more difficult is artificial difficulty. That's what redditors and /hdg/ told me. And less mission time would mean less time for le epic power fantasy.

>>530141681
>>530142308
I love hags!

>>530144786
I've seen redditors cry about absolute difficulty on sm2. But yeah, HD2 has by far the worst breed of shitters imaginable.

>>530144563
it gives a chunk of liberation after a small defense campaign or some shit iirc
but i don't think the amount they boost liberation is consistent so it's hard to tell how useful it is to capture them
because even after the UI update this game is just as if not more unreadable than it was before
and they didn't learn shit from SE so none of this is explained to the player
people like megacities tho so they get captured pretty quick anyways so it doesn't matter too much
https://youtu.be/4BXBMO1Kxhk?si=d84XsRLjGNM1Fb7O

>>530144843
You add nothing to any conversation you try to force yourself into. Talk like a normal person.

>>530144549
2/4

>>530145046
You didn't say I was wrong though. And If I started talking like a normgroid then every one of my posts would end up being a complaint on the game's difficulty or posts begging for more buffs. Because that's how normgroids talk about HD2.

>>530145145
fern my beloved slampig

>>530145369
>And If I started talking like a normgroid then every one of my posts would end up being a complaint on the game's difficulty or posts begging for more buffs.
You mean like you were doing earlier with your fakeass buff post? If you're going to be a whiny fucking retard the least you could do is cut the fucking sarcasm and at least try to talk like a functioning person.

>>530144103
you clearly suck at the game.
lower the difficulty.

>>530144549
still 2/4

>>530144549
ale psiur

>>530144730
Oh right, the bots suppress eachother, don't they? Good game, swiggers.

>>530144631
I think the trick is making things more difficult to fight, without turning it into a timewasting slog. The first thing that comes to mind would be like adding the Hulks' frontal armor back so that you'd have to aim stuff like the RR into the eye or flank from behind. It's more of a skill check, but still doable in the same amount of time as long as you're playing smart and skillfully, basically just resulting in more of a focus on smart positioning and weakpoints.
The issue is that would take actual work from the devs.

>>530145571
ah just pushing some ol bait
must be a lantix who loves bouncing on it frfr
what is up with south america anons pushing the same bit over and over again

>Arrowhead added FSR without telling anyone
Wew lad, that explains why the game have been running so smooth after the recent patches

>>530144549
need some more nerds in here

>4 broadcasts and 1 specimen vessel (lie)
Cities are so stupid.

>>530145647
Co nie? Kochana psinka.

>>530145747
Weren't they using FSR1 (not labeled as such anywhere outside of this line in the config file) as their upscaler since release?

>>530145694
>I think the trick is making things more difficult to fight, without turning it into a timewasting slog.

I think shit should be more a time sink, like sure you'll eventually kill it, but you won't complete the mission.

You'd see more niche shit like smoke and EMS be considered when taking every fight on the planet isn't necessary.

> It's more of a skill check, but still doable in the same amount of time as long as you're playing smart and skillfully,

I unno. Once you got used to sniping hulks in the eye back in the day it wasn't really difficult, just felt more like a chore and if you fucked up something you were just kite diving until cooldowns were back up.


I'd rather using your gear and time (cooldowns) properly was the key to success. Not using using your gear to meat a DPS quota. Aliens kinda feel like that right now, they're SUPER sloggy if you just take every fight over and over.

>>530145779
better than what squiggers got during the SE invasion
i'm so sick of gaydar and seaf sharty i just never do them anymore

>>530144631
But then the combat doesn't really improve, just people rushing obj more and obj is not the strong part of the game. Also, people want to hit POI for credit on high difficulty too so having time limit would force people to lower diff to get any credit at all.

>>530145559
I tried having serious discussions on balance long before the buff patch dropped. I tried to teach people how to play back then. But redditors and /hdg/ just wanted to screech, whine, and stomp their feet until AH cucked out and gave in. Why should I try and have serious discussions with people like that?

>>530144631
>The trick is not making stuff harder to fight.
LOL! That is literally all you need to do but we can't....for some reason?

>Stop taking heavy armor and take medium armor
>Can actually position myself properly, not get hit by litterally every enemy in the game
>Don't need to kill or stun shit before it gets to me

God.
Why did they design heavy armor like this.
What is the point of taking less damage, if you're just guaranteed to take more damage. This completely changed my view of every weapon in the game, just because I can actually dodge attacks again.

>>530144549
FVLL

>>530143738
Oh, also add that their sub-missions are literally also puddle deep in variety too. Boy, I sure do enjoy destroying the scrambler, feeding the sharty, blowing up the lab, and killing 50 overseers for the Nth time! Jesus Christ, how can these swiggers look at this barren, contentless faction and think anyone wants to actually engage in them outside of a Super Earth invasion?

>>530146018
i'm sorry anon but the way the game used to play seemed really fucking lame and gay and i'm glad the version of helldivers you loved is dead

>>530146109
If you cover and pay attention to your surroundings then you can still avoid damage when using heavy armor.

is d7 harder than d10

>>530144631
Time limit has never been a more favorable solution for higher difficulty compared to making enemies stronger/more numerous. Helldiver also doesn't have a game design that fit such style of gameplay/challenge.

>>530145961
>just people rushing obj more and obj is not the strong part of the game

I don't know about you, but rushing OBJectives and POIs is pretty fun. Sitting in a corner shooting things for 10 minutes over and over isn't really.


>>530146094
The harder you make something to fight, the more it's just gonna turn into a DPS race. The more damage it does, the more you need to up your TTK. The best way to balance a game is not to actually balance it around the gameplay as stupid as that might sound. You need some meta shit like time spent doing X. It also works well when every mechanic is based around a cooldown.

>>530146206
Yes :D

>>530146206
every "Joe Crawford1983" in your lobby is a 5x difficulty modifier, so yes

Why does it take more than one eruptor shot to kill a charger?? Chargers are essentially a chaff unit now but the eruptor didn't get the memo.

>>530146018
Because now you're screeching, whining, and stomping your feet no different than them? Honestly the fact you're such a brat about this makes me doubt that you ever even tried to have a genuine discussion about this to begin with, and for all intents and purposes you're no different than someone like this waste of space >>530146187 due to just how little you end up bringing to any actual discussion.

>>530146192
My anon. Enemies will walk straight at you faster than you can move. If you do not kill or stun them, YOU DIE.

Medium armor lets you bait attacks and dodge them. Heavy armor simply cannot do this with a lot of the enemies, and being forced into a DPS or Stun check for every encounter is very dull.

>>530146109
I've got a Scout light armor to shill you, only if you dare hear me out

>>530145705
>frfr
how old are you

>>530146273
>Helldiver also doesn't have a game design that fit such style of gameplay/challenge.

I disagree. The entire game is balanced around cooldown and time limits. If you had infinite time there would be no challenge.

>>530146278
Okay, every game on high diff with a "high diff time limit" would require everyone to get in the FRV and just run from obj to obj. Procedural generation of the map also affect how fast you can do the obj. There are very few people who enjoy the difficulty of the game being tied to time limit and even most of them would agree that helldiver isn't a game designed to have that

>>530146421
Well I've been using the basedwars armor which has the ping perk already, but what makes scout armor good for you?

>>530145890
>Once you got used to sniping hulks in the eye back in the day it wasn't really difficult, just felt more like a chore and if you fucked up something you were just kite diving until cooldowns were back up.
That's just it though, you had the ability to succeed like normal, but failed due to the higher skill required to kill, and were punished because of it.
Compare that to just doing something like doubling a Hulk's health so that it always takes two RR shots to kill it no matter what. That would be a slog.
I'm not actually against lowering the amount of time per mission though, I just think that there's a fine line between being forced to effectively handle engagements and encouraging just running away, that you'd have to handle with care.

>>530146493
>Okay, every game on high diff with a "high diff time limit" would require everyone to get in the FRV and just run from obj to obj.

Yeah. Get moving lardass.

>There are very few people who enjoy the difficulty of the game being tied to time limit and even most of them would agree that helldiver isn't a game designed to have that

Have you ever done repel or blitz? both of those mission types have extremely narrow time limits.
I would say Repel was the closest we ever have been to an actual challenge as of late.

>>530146374
Sorry, I'm just upset that my favorite game was ruined by normgroids and by people who aren't supposed to be normgroids.

>>530146629
>and were punished because of it.
The punishment was just throw an impact at your feet or run around in circles for like 2 minutes (because the fucking cool down mod was +50%).


>Compare that to just doing something like doubling a Hulk's health so that it always takes two RR shots to kill it no matter what. That would be a slog.

Yeah I can agree with that. I think though people will optimize the game constantly until they find the fastest and most efficient way to do things.
And I think those people should get a higher difficulty for that.

>I just think that there's a fine line between being forced to effectively handle engagements and encouraging just running away, that you'd have to handle with care.

Yeah I absolutely also agree with that, actually that's a really good way to put it. I think the problem I have with helldivers currently is that it's way too easy to smash your head against the brick wall and keep trying until you solve the problem.

I'm gonna say something crazy here, but
Leviathans actually kinda changed that.
I actually considered how I approached objectives, I timed things along with smoke. And it was very interesting when the city fights would have wide open areas paired with tight cover that I could lick my wounds behind.

I don't know, but I'd say just stopping people from being able to bash their face against something until they solve the problem would fix the difficulty imo.

>>530146676
Yea that sounds like ass. I am glad you aren't in charge of any game.
Blitz mainobj isn't really constrained by the time limit at all. Repel is just survive the way until the time limit and one of the most boring shit that I never do anymore

>>530147036
Okay :)
You'd be able to play on a lower difficulty if you want

>>530147036
>Repel is just survive the way until the time limit
if you just bunkered down in a repel invasion map to try and "survive the wave until the time limit" you lost because preventing the enemy from establishing too much of a foothold was one of the objectives

>>530145145
3/4, my internet keeps dying on me so i'll be playing later when it's a bit stable

>>530146564
Nothing too complex
>both sets look good
>has high speed stat, Trailblazer even moreso
>survivable enough with vit booster
>ping perk for enemy detection
More importantly
>reduced detection passive does seem to help with not getting spotted 100m by everything ever
>also they look pretty good
It does dictate a, Super Earth forgive me for uttering this word, stealthier playstyle, but in terms of efficacy, I really dunno if anything beats it in terms of avoiding damage by way of just avoiding enemies completely. Oh yeah, and always checking my map and pinging around myself to take the path of least resistance. But hey, might not be the playstyle for everyone. If you do get into a massive fight, you are kind of boned, but that's why you stick to cover and make sure you have an escape plan. I'm not solofagging either, it helps in pubbie matches, I just have to shadow my team instead of running alongside them. And in terms of boosters, I haven't tried taking the extended radar at all since the current map detection range seems good enough, so vit for survivability is what I usually run. Dunno if anything I typed up is coherent enough, but it should give the gist of my use cases.

game was so much better when it was rundivers

>>530147170
Oh I thought you meant the repel for rocket launch thing

>>530147167
Just make the enemies harder like a normal game that isn't haggard by whinny redditors. Redditors are gonna claim that anything is artificial difficulty so you might as well just make enemies harder.

>oh hey game designed around being a normal human going up against horrific enemies with some light realism to it so things remain believable
>average request is the make the game essentially destiny 2 with magic weapons and bullshit

>>530147036
>Repel is just survive the way until the time limit and one of the most boring shit that I never do anymore
You're thinking of Bricks, not Repel. Repel invasion fleet was the polar opposite of hunkering down and just waiting out the timer because enemy spawns were exponential unless you destroyed the rapidly spawning dropships you'd outright lose.

>>530147245
Constantly running and gunning was a lot more fun, I agree.

>>530147402
>gunning
when 90% of the guns were worthless? lmao
it was stratagem spam simulator with +100% cool down increase, +100% call-in time, and -1 stratagem slot while constantly running because your 55 damage lib struggled with chaff

>>530147236
Hmm. Hmm Hmm.
I think I understand the gist of the play style you're talking about, but personally?
I just use smokes if I wanna avoid taking shots in light armor. It tends to drop the aggro and let my heavier companions in cover take the brunt of fire while I pop things focussing them.

The drip is noteworthy though I'll give you that.

For me though the problem isn't really taking hits or fights. More so just being ever so slightly too slow, that enemies are unavoidable with shift and movement. I'd use stuff like HMG or Flamethrower and wonder how I'm supposed to be taking on enemies that will just hit me no matter what I do. Medium armor though is more than enough to position exactly where I need to be and dodge attacks- Like I think this is because enemy attack windows are simply balanced around medium armor's movement speed.

I'll try light stealth again here though sometimes, just cause you recommended it.

>I haven't tried taking the extended radar at all since the current map detection range seems good enough,
Honestly I take it all the time if I'm scouting, vitality booster is kinda a placebo for people now that they nerfed it

The game has to have the right difficult of enemy encounter for high difficulty and somehow force people to overcome them in the obj. Maybe there should just be more automatic spawn during any obj. however, they seemingly decrease the spawn in many of those missions such as geological survey and nuking hive nest. Honestly, those temporary events black fluid missions and the nest missions were pretty good as well.

>>530147487
>Le 90% of guns le useless meme.
You never made an attempt to use non meta gear at the time. You simply parroted that talking point from YouTubers and redditors. You are an NPC.

>>530147487
-1 strategem slot was unironically the optimal choice, and call in time was up there too. You just had to be really good at dancing around bile titans and baiting their attacks

>>530147684
Cool contrarian NPC opinion

>>530141681
ggz anons, apologies for cursed lobby
[spolier]sorry r3, hope we have a better game next time[/spoiler]

>>530147612
There is zero ways to make the game more difficult without redditors and /hdg/ crying "artificial difficulty". AH will never add any difficulty to game again because they're literally too scared of their own community. We will likely see another huge wave of power creep to help accommodate the Xbox players.

What are the choice anti-heavy gems that are reliable in metropolis biomes?

>>530147731
No, this is true. Tons of shit was viable in a 4 team setting, especially right before the "60 days patch" bs when they just throw in the towel. YouTubers don't care about "balance". They care about low effort gameplay so they can stream the game and interact with the audience for longer hours without fatigue.

>>530147810
it's just my internet having a tantrum today

>>530147890
EAT, thermites, Ultimatum

>>530147684
>Liberator
shit
>Defender
Barely an upgrade to the liberator
>DCS and Dilgience
shit
>Slugger and punisher
only viable weapons because they could keep up with spawn rates by shooting and reloading
>Breaker
Strong as fuck, but required supply pack
>Scorcher
Okay, but not breaker and people didn't have it unlocked at the time
>Sickle
Lol.
>Lib Pen
Hot garbage
>breaker spray and pray
Nice eggs kid, shame if I couldn't even shoot them

>Jar
Only good gun in the pack
>Lib conc
Shit
>Incendiary breaker
litterally didn't work
4/14

so about 4 outta 14. Little under 33%.

>>530147731
I like how you didn't deny my first point. You're probably the same type of player that only took the breaker/railgun when the game first came out and nothing else. I bet when you play now you only take the resupply pack, eruptor, thermites, and siege ready on every dive you do.

One lobby doko

>>530147603
Ah, gotcha. Well for both those cases, I think I'd still run the Scout armors. I don't think I've ever used smokes because I almost always run my get-out-of-jail-free card, stun grenades my love.

Unless I don't feel confident in a more aggressive stratagem loadout I'm testing, then I'd use the B-01 or whatever because fighting AI head-on just does random things at its whims.

>spoiler
Guess I'll try the extended radar, but I never really felt like I was missing anything

>>530147991
Why are you only talking about the guns as they were on release and not when they were properly buffed prior to the buff patch? Seems disingenuous.

>>530147991
>Liberator
>shit
stopped reading there

>>530147991
Nobody said on release. What about the point of balance when people were mass spamming negative reviews of the game? The balance actually improved tremendously at that point and there were a lot of good options in every warbond. However, people review bombed anyway for an easier game

>>530148047
we got back to 3/4>>530144549

>>530147903
You're full of shit. Most primaries were shit, the few that weren't got promptly nerfed.
Same shit went for most support weapons. People jerked off to the AC against bots because it was one of the few viable choices. You brought an AC, AMR or HMG if you wanted to feel special. The RR was completly worthless, as was the eternally bugged spear. RG got nerfed out of existence because AH balanced it around a fucking bug instead of fixing the bug - and when they fixed the fucking bug later they didn't buff it to compensate for the overnerfing they did.
I'm just tired of the nerftranny jerking off the awful balancing and design as the glorious peak of gameplay just because it makes it feel special for having eaten so much shit that it replaced its brain.

>>530148123
Because that is the time frame when you were just running and gunning.

Wild to think though that lib pen actually was worse than current redeemer. Like not only did it do less damage, it had no full auto fire mode.

>>530148070
It's good if you use radar a bunch I guess. The radius is insanely massive and will help you spot POIs from a mile away.

Anyways though thanks for the rec anon.

>>530148247
But I clear diff 10 with AMR, HMG and laser in bot all.the time. They are surely "viable"? I don't think I am that good.
All AT were actually equally valuable back then on bug in different way. You can even run bug without AT if you trust the 1-2 teammates with AT.

>>530148185
>What about the point of balance when people were mass spamming negative reviews of the game?

Post EOF?
It wasn't as kite divey back then. It was mostly just, everything kinda felt like doodoo water and they nerfed the only things that could actually do anything about that. There was a massive disconnect with the devs and the playerbase. I couldn't tell you if they wanted difficulty 10 to just be flat out impossible, but they nerfed nearly everything in the game that players practiced and learned to make it possible.

Like honestly kudos to them for trying to make the game harder, but I don't see the point of introducing an insanely hard difficulty if you're going to nerf the cheese necessary to beat it.

>>530148430
RR couldn't even strip behemoth leg armor without knowledge of esoteric game mechanics
The spear was actually good when they fixed it's targeting, being the only weapon that could kill BTs with one headshot. Well, if you wrangled the lock-on to make sure the rocket hit the head and the head didn't decide to become randomly invincible

>>530148272
No, the running and gunning timeframe was everything prior to the buff patch just as the 90% useless weapon meme was too.

>>530097221
I used to think the oposite but after this major order i finally understood why bot divers hate bugs, i was using the anti air rpg all the time and i couldnt believe how fucking easy everything was, as long as the map is open you can pretty much eliminate every single bot patrol with one shot, if you combine the rpg with the stratagem shield and autocanon and rocket turret you are pretty much the best support your team can have, everything in the bot front is so passive the fact that you can use an anti tank weapon to stop the enemy from spawning is insane if you come from the bug front, you can literally clean multiple enemy spawn points from a killometer away with a simple recoilles rifle, hell maybe you are lucky and you destroy a bot mega nest from a billion meters away by using an anti tank emplacement, that is not posible with the bugs.

the core issue with helldivers 2 balancing isn’t actually the ttk or the spawn rates or even the eruptor being overtuned it’s that the entire gameplay loop lacks any kind of positive feedback reinforcement that isn’t just numerical like kills or liberation ticks and what it needs is a psychological incentive layer that ties player performance to immediate social or emotional response rather than just raw efficiency.
right now everything’s too binary. you either win by statchecking or lose because the ai rolled you and there’s no middle ground where player expression or identity factors into tactical decisionmaking.
so what i’m saying is we need anime catgirls not as cosmetics but as a morale system like a squad member model where if you pat their head your cooldowns recover faster or maybe they do a little dance and it boosts team accuracy for 10 seconds and maybe they wear lighter armor but move faster and dodge better and you can unlock different ear and tail colors depending on how many missions you clear with them alive and their ears twitch when enemies are nearby and the ultimate unlock is a bikini armor variant that gives +15% speed but only at night maps and if you bring two catgirls into a mission together they do a synchronized emote at the landing zone and sing a little super earth anthem remix in japanese and that increases mission success rate somehow and yes before you ask this is balanced because they have low health and moan when hit which draws aggro so it’s actually a risk/reward mechanic and also you can feed them emergency rations and they say “oishii~” and if you do this 100 times they give you a custom cape and if you do REALLY WELL you get 3 catgirls and a blowjob on the super destroyer.

>>530148597
You can call it a meme all you want, doesn't change the fact that it was true.
But I'm sure you'll blame the sloptubers living rentfree in your head like usual.

>>530148551
D10 prior to the buff patch was not difficult and easily beatable with randoms and subpar gear. Why are you snitching on yourself?

>>530148552
Well yes, that's the point of balance between AT. You get RR, Quasar, EAT that can strip leg armor and maybe 2-3 headshot titan, or you get SPEAR that can one shot but has less ammo and you need the right spacing to get it to hit (even now you u need spacing). Why do you take SPEAR now when everything else one shot both titan and Behemoth in the head?

>>530148674
>D10 prior to the buff patch was not difficult and easily beatable with randoms and subpar gear.

What did you bring for bugs.

>>530148712
But the RR, EAT and QC couldn't even strip off leg armor in one hit unless you knew about the bizarre way movement and damage interact

>>530148551
But people beat diff 10 most of the time, even when not "optimally" geared and executed. You don't need any "cheese" to beat it.

>>530148816
It always gets me the lengths people went to actually make the game playable. Like the PS5 shit with the railgun

Why is this general always so shit during Sunday? Is it because all the brown turdworlders are on their day off?

>>530147350
>a normal human
I'd say a peak human, but I agree that it's stupid.

>>530148657
Trvke

>>530148816
Okay, so I would agree normalizing that so all shot strip the leg. However, would people be happy with behemoth then??? Or they would still demand it get nerfed to the shit state it is now. People would argue that AT only stripping leg and taking 2 headshot is not enough

>>530148896
It's just nerftranny having his usual sperg-out and the entire general falling for his bait

>>530148863
>Diving forward to break legs or mouth shotting bile titans wasn't cheese

am I missing the point of the Xbox crossplay thing being this big, I always assumed anyone that owns an xbox either has a PS5 or a PC as well and thus has been playing HD2 since release anyway

>>530148789
Nigger, I never used the exact same loadout everytime. I actually changed my gear with every mission. That's why I get angry when people say that most of the weapons are useless when I myself found usage out of every weapon and stratagem the game had to offer at the time.

I think if they showed how you were supposed to play on higher difficulties it wouldn't have been so bad.

>Stream for the playerbase on difficulty 6
>gets their asses handed to them

>>530148247
Launch eruptor was egregiously broken and breaker only loss 3 rounds in the mag

>>530148965
It's not bait. Everyone who cries about what the game used to be are just showing how ignorant or shitty they were during old days of the game.

>>530148674
>D10 prior to the buff patch was not difficult
indeed, it was fucking annoying and frustrating
when will you nerftrannies figure it out that enjoying frustrating and tedious mechanics is not being skilled

>>530148980
swedes are just retarded

>>530149043
Remember that the devs removed the difficulty always being shown as the default option because people made of of them for getting clowned on at low difficulties
All while they posted shit like this like they were hardcore progamers

I do not care for the Liberator.

>>530149164
Holy based image

>>530149164
didnt this nigga get gaped a day after

>>530149094
Uh, didn't you just say it was impossible to beat without "cheese" that got patch out?

>>530149164
that's pretty funny

>>530149265
>you
nta

>>530148968
If you consider that a cheese, that was never patch out and eventually you can strip without walking forward. You claimed that all of the "cheese" got patched out

>>530148657
What is the lore behind these catgirls?

>>530149265
Wow I can't believe anon would double back like that

truth nuke, HD2 were never hard, you THINK it's hard because it's new and you're still learning the game back then.

>>530149164
That post mind broke redditors and /hdg/.

>>530149423
learn english first saar

>>530149378
experimental super earth repopulation programme with genetically modified leandivers for helldiver seed