Thread 537899334

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Threadlocked: >>537836835

Silksong

Hes in

STOP GIVING THE ENEMY TEAM ALL THE CARRY CHARACTERS WHILE WE HAVE NOTHING BUT SUPPORTS AND TANKS

>>537899484
the deadlock killer....

>>537899579
this is so miserable when youre tanking, keeping the fight going for ages but their health bar never moves and you know its ogre

>billy player died while the enemy team got rejuv
>as soon as he respawns he immediately runs into the enemy jungle, and dies to a 6v1
How do you explain behavior like this?

>>537899484
Not my problem
>>537899579
>support
>tank
You deserve to lose with this mindset

>>537899232
nig

>>537899686
Bait

I wish players in my games were less afraid to die
If dying means we kill 3 of them then get the fuck in there and give your life for the cause

How would sex with Ivy feel?

>>537899765
sorry man if we lose my K:D WILL be used against me at the end of the game and I cant let that happen

>Change ability and melee keybinds so I don't have to move my fingers to 1-4
>Keep fucking up the new binds and pressing 1-4 in tense moments
This is gonna take a bit

>>537899765
but you will say that I'm shit for dying and feed right after that

>>537899820
It rocks

>>537899765
Some people are too afraid to even cross the halfway point of the map because that means they might have to engage with the enemy at all and you want them to DIE? You sicko.

>>537899493
as in he's gonna go last after I'm done voting for Skyrunner

>>537899484
I can't fucking buy it, thanks gaben

>>537899765
>Will we win the game?

I hate William.

>>537900173
i could easily see priest being last and also being as op as drifter/victor

>dodging seven stun with mina's escape
huh.

>>537900516
kek based
hope he keeps the robo arm

>>537898330
Last match, the enemy team had a Vyper that was really good at melee for some reason. Man, I really should learn to parry the moment I hear the heavy melee sound.

>>537899765
Thanks for your input Warden

>>537900545
you can dodge a lot with it

>>537900545
its the best ability in the game right now

need a dumb as fuck 6'8'' billy boyfriend

>>537900156
How are they so cool

What's the point of the little gambling things?

Mirage ulti should work like talon bird except you teleport to the point of impact (no damage) and scarabs should be replaced with an ability that isn't shit

>>537901186
To get a fuck ton of buffs

>>537901186
Easy to gank but you get souls and stats from it

>>537899493
>only unreleased hero without the inprogress flag
>only one with a full name (Cain Rourke)
>has the most in-depth responses
>finished 3D model
>hero select background in files
soon, brothers

>>537900826
I hate Inferniggers so much. Literal brainless gorilla niggers holding w+m1

>>537901186
neutral souls that heroes like infernus can't take in a drive-by flamedash
loud so that they create risk and cause fights
filled with buffs as an incentive to take the risk

>>537901186
Unironically best implementation of jungle mechanics as of now

>>537901145
based goyle not having any of drifter's shit

time to play pocket and do anime fighting game combos to deal 30%

>>537901691
Pick a real hero homo

>>537902114
I have no fucking idea how to play Mirage

>>537902269
you just shoot real good and keep an eye on your minimap really

>>537902269
I just don't play Mirage. I used to play him for a bit, but I just don't find him fun.

Ok Ijust played against a punch sinclair
I understand the hate now, gut this nigger

>>537901186
The lights on top are its "HP", punch it to reduce the HP and trade your life for souls, at the end all lights will flash in order and if you time a heavy punch just as its getting full you get 4 buffs

What the fuck was the point of hero labs when none of the 6 heroes they just released were in it?

>>537902032
>plays seven and presses 3 on the minion wave to instantly detonate it and also deal 198427738 damage

>>537900972
im a dumb as fuck 5'10'' doorman is that ok

>>537902416
To lab some heroes, obviously

>>537900972
t. Paige

stickin em

>>537902269
max out fire rate, grab ricochet, max out Djinn Mark, do not buy any spirit items and nothing else, some people grab Quick silver reload I guess, so if you really wanted it.

Holliday any fun? Tomboy cowboy appeals to me

>>537902831
Yes but playing her is equal to committing all the 7 deadly sins at once

>>537902831
i was the same but her playstyle is too gimmicky for me

>>537902831
She's fun but playing her will make you feel like you're an evil person.

I've been awake for 20 hours and I just can't stop playing because I need to not bottom frag for fucking once
This game is destroying my life

>>537899765
I don't play anything that serves a purpose as a martyr, my hero only provides value by staying alive.

>pick Victor
>teammate chain feeds
>pick Victor
>teammate chain feeds
I just want to try Victor out please

This Viscous nigger just said gg and commended me after the game
I want to fucking slaughter him

>>537902831
I like playing her as a bouncy movement god that can chuck a ton of barrels at people

>queue up as vyper for shits and giggles
>Vindicta on the enemy team AND she's in my lane
>stakes me every single fucking time the entire match

>>537899718
>seething into the next thread
damn, that lil nigga RAPED you

>>537903881
FREAK ON A LEASH

>>537903881
buy phantom strike

>enemy team picks Victor and/or Drifter
>they're unkillable menaces that got giga-fed in lane by brown retard teammates
>my team picks Victor and/or Drifter
>they feed 10+ deaths and have 5 or less kills like a bunch of brown retards
>this happens 100% of the time
CIVILIZATION. NEEDS. EUGENICS.

>>537903686
>run in as Victor
>Enchanters, spirit resilience, cold front
>die in under 3 seconds
>check incoming damage
>93% spirit damage
wtf

>>537904245
I think the damage recap might just be broken, I died to a mcginnis shooting me and it only showed the spirit damage from her turret/some ult poke for some reason

>>537903451
Bro it ain't worth it. You're completely at the whims of getting match-made with not only the right people, but the right people playing the right characters. It's out of your control.

The black woman of Valve unoriginality.
These are TWO different characters.

>>537905019
Haze is not a nigger, faggot.

>>537904217
You wish for a swift death ?

>>537905019
you're late, you fucking schmuck.

>one team has mina
>one team has drifter
Hmm I wonder who wins

>>537905019
Calico is gonna be a cute brown egyptian girl.

>>537903451
Don't worry about K/D until your at least 100h in. Preferably never desu, it's a bait statistic

>>537905086
>coping because his waifu main is actually a black woman and the chud can't fathom playing le hecking black woman
lol
lmao even

>>537905149
I wish Calico was like this instead.

>>537905313
too basic, generic even

My morally corrupt and rich wife is fun to play

>>537905413
Post a better example, then.

>>537904549
Well fuck me in the butt I guess.

Why are players in this game so fucking retarded? No matter how many times I tell people to RUN AWAY AND WAIT OUT WARDEN'S ULT, they still run AT Warden when HE'S ULTING.

>>537905524
nuh-uh, you'll steal her, I know you will

>>537905881
Dotards even at low ranks know when to disengage so it's the shooter tourists throwing our matches.

>>537905272
She is a smoke demon, not an african

>>537906046
she's an African smoke demon

>>537906103
Absolute god-tier taste. Wish I was good at that game tho.

>>537906103
sex
we need a blood motif character
no, not the rage monkey or a vampire. they have blood surrounding their design, they're not straight up blood themed themselves

>>537906459
red viscous

>>537906459
red viscous?

>>537899484
Hornet collab hero in Deadcock when?

>>537906286
>god-tier art
>in an ultra competitive game
>game doesn't have caring devs or community
>no spinoff of any form
the game is in ... deadlock

How long untill we are down to 10,000 players a day again

>>537899765
I have no faith in anyone but myself
if I commit to a fight and die, everyone else will have used it as an opportunity to retreat and then an excuse to flame me when they themselves die later

>>537906046
right right, like how infernus is a "smoke demon" and not black!

Yeah okay I really am starting to dislike pisslow
This faggot Sinclair keeps grabbing the urn whenever he can and has the game sense of a dead raccoon
He alone is responsible for 20k of the enemies souls
Why do retards play video games
Why are they allowed to own computers
They should be working at McDonald's until they expire

>>537906103
boho will provide...

I have played Drifter 5 times and 5 times I have fed on him
I can play every new hero above average but I cannot play drifter for my life

>>537907235
He is weak during lanes, learn to stay back and not force your fights. After the guardians are down, go farm a bit and then jump on isolated retards, it's very hard to lose a 1v1 with him

>add deaths whistle from puss in boots to Drifter ult
>actually get a little scared whenever drifter ults now
God I love modding, hopefully they don't ban all mods when this game goes open beta/on release.

glad doorman still uses the long taunts sometimes, so much better

>>537905489
how do you build her?

>>537907953
He already whistles you gay fucking furry

I hate doortranny so fucking much
DUDE LMAO WHAT I KEPT THROWING OUT GREY TALON ARROWS BUT THEY DEALT MORE DAMAGE AND HAD A GIGANTIC FUCKING UNMISSABLE AOE LOL

>>537908069
yeah but it's not very pronounced in vanilla.
it's a LOT louder in the mod and makes it a lot scarier.

>bell
>doing more damage than fucking GT arrows
are these niggas for real

>>537907860
Belt on a left side of the face (from our pov) is a tad too thick, feels like an outline and it should be hidden by head, since it's turned to the side a bit, srry for being a nerd, I like the pic, drawfrend

>>537908286
It seems they left their heads at the door

>>537907210
>They should be working at McDonald's until they expire
the worst person i ever played a moba with was my friend in medical school

wraith cant shoot while ulting?

>>537905092
I wouldn't be one of the brown retards being removed by eugenics.

>>537908286
>2.1 scaling base
>vs 2.24 on maxed out arrow
hmm wonder which one is easier to land????
bell base damage is also higher btw

>>537906927
didn't drop that low until 4 months no update, don't see the wait getting that long again
30k maybe in October

why are people pausing the game near the very start of every single fucking match? I'm watching a high elo streamer and the same shit is happening, are these just normalfags thinking its the funniest shit ever to waste 90 seconds?

>>537908603
you have buggy door instead of fly
and tiny hitbox cart instead of giant snare

>>537908745
GO TO THE BATHROOM
YOU ARE SHITTING YOURSELF

refresher knockdown doorman

>>537908286
>because talon is deleted in pre-alpha build

>>537908798
oh woe is me poor doortard has to actually aim SOMETHING
good think he can spam out fucking bells like the braindead nigger he is

>>537908603
>hmm wonder which one is easier to land????
the arrow because it has a hitbox of a truck, while you can actually see and dodge the bells

What matchmaking regions are there?

>>537908603
the ones that go mach 10, have range limit and don't put you in engage range of 90% of the cast to throw out?
retard?
cannot believe we already have people whining about fuckin doorman

>teammates die 15 times in the first 9 minutes
>they manage to recover and we still win the game
impressive honestly

>>537909225
>>537909479
doortranny defense force has arrived!
the retards who take actual offense when their gay faggot hero is called out!
at least drifter and viktortards actually admit their hero is broken and gay

>>537909689
>Say something retarded
>Get called a retard
>"Uh oh look at these guys!"
Kill yourself

>>537908745
so they can swap

>>537909689
>d-doorman is broken...i-i'm not dogshit...
you're a shitter and you'll never escape ritualist, faggot.

>vyper, mina and calico in my team
>against drifter, victor, lash and seven
le state mandated loss

>>537909845
okay doortranny

>I'm full build and like 10k souls over 5 out of 6 enemies on the other team
>but I can't win any fights cause despite my lead I have all the oxygen thieving retards that have 10+ deaths and the enemy has none of them
.....so what's the point of playing this game when your performance literally never matters in any sort of meaningful, positive way? If you're doing well AND winning, it's usually because you got the assigned win team that didn't die 10 times by 15 minutes. If you got so much as one of said retards on your team you just auto-lose cause when you get said retard(s) on your team, no one on the enemy team is dumb enough to blatantly feed to balance things out. Every game is just forced win/forced loss where your input literally does not matter. What's the point of MOBAs in general since they ALL work this exact same way all the way down to the matchmaking itself?

>>537899765
the billy player about to run directly into the enemy walker at half health to try and 1v2 drifter and victor

>>537907860
This makes me wonder if the Doorman is actually him, or if it's some poor soul he decided to posses so he could fuck around

>he destroys "objectives" and claims "map resources" instead of brooling with the rest of us
You are a PUSSY ASS BITCH and possible HOMOSEXUAL

>>537907860
who is the guy on the left supposed to be?

>>537906665
She'll still be picked less than Mina and Drifter

>>537910524
Hypothetical human before they were possessed by The Doorman

>>537910524
what door"men" imagine themselves to be like irl

>>537910524
dexter morgan

why did the high cc teleporting hero need a guaranteed kill combo with a extremely high damage charge that also does CC

>>537910864
he just does, okay?

>>537910864
...but enough about Mo&Krill

>>537908315
>srry for being a nerd
nah thanks for feedback!

>>537910082
>nobody likes Sinclair

>>537911032
M&K is the most honest hero in the game and he does NOT have a teleport

>>537910864
who is this nigga even talking about

>>537911125
hopoopoo...

>>537909689
>>537910082
uh oh, low elo tranny BTFO

>>537911125
>magician that functions as rubick lite
>his magic is shit
>his cc is shit
>his assistant and gay and not fun to use

>>537911128
>he didn't boughted phantom strike

>>537911312
>le epin "high skill" hero
>60% pickrate
>still 46% winrate
>most people aren't even doing the bell spam build
silence bellend

>>537902668
bro...billy is her brother

>>537911557
ah yes, the eternus players are dogshit at the game!!!
you're a retard and will NEVER get above ritualist (if you've even made it there)

>>537906103
Based skullgirls chad pwns shit taste furnigger

>>537911149
lash

>>537905489
I thought this was gardevoir for a sec

>>537911383
How would you fix him?

>female samurai
>female sheriff
>female mechanic
>female assassin
>female sniper
>female mob

>>537905489
I may be retarded but the gun being longer in her new model is unironically fucking up my aim.
I hate playing her now because of it.

>>537911754
If you love eternus players so much why don't you suck them off, you're experienced with handling dicks seeing as how much of a faggot you are

>>537911982
>nonbinary asian twink
>gay bong

>>537912076
I accept your concession

>>537901186
To force the hecking wholesome early game esports teamfights sponsored by Allstate(tm)

>>537911974
scrap the shitty distance mechanic on his bolt
scrap the assistant replicating spells and just let them function by themselves instead of being gimped
give the ult upgrades something else instead of just "lol now the ability actually does something!"

>>537911982
>Goo Man

>drifter goes 9000 MPH around the map with 8 health bars melting everyones health in 2 seconds and if he ever gets low he can just press 4 for a free scape
epic character design poofrog

>idea drifter's 4 is supposed to be evoking is he blinds you and then hunts you down while you're panicking
>every drifter just uses it to run away
curious...

>>537912637
I would like to know why this rapist character has like as much health as Kelvin. Make it make sense please.

>>537912781
classic case of the engage ability also being the best escape ability

I wish drifter had an alt fire.

>>537912280
But the redirecting of the bolt is really fun
If they get rid of the distance damage they should add something else to it to encourage using its misdirection even if its just a small 20% movement slow

>>537912781
if it was a hunt ability it would target only one hero, as it is it's best used to bring the enemy's team fight capability to a screeching halt for 8-11s as no one can fucking see shit. It sucks. I would rather be in the fucking Ice Dome.

>>537912781
biggest issue with it is the cast time, makes it useless for engaging because the second someone hears it theyve already skedaddled back to base

its only useful really for teamfights

>>537911982
>male cop
>male bartender
>male detective
>male professor
>male explorer
>male anarchist
>male doorman
>male bodyguard
>male rapist

how is victor so jacked

>>537912864
brawler - assassin like nightstalker and bloodseeker bruh

>>537913060
made out of a jacked guy

>>537912936
the redirection is fine, it's just that you need to do this retarded gimmick so you can deal actual damage
and not even that much damage

>>537913060
he uses my torso

>>537913020
it should be silent when casting and elongate the CD by an extra 40 seconds.
no drifter is building CD anyways so it's a good change.

>>537913147
Assassins usually don't have a ton of health to make up for the fact that they can just jump you and kill you in half a second, like Haze for example.

Duration extender, aoe and cooldown max ult spammer drifter (with refresher)
think about it deadtards

>>537913060
chicken breasts and rice

>>537913290
it's an icefrog game, brawler assassins scale into mid-late game as broolers

>>537913352
I do like duration and cd on him if I see they aren't building anything to purge it since it's a win teamfights for free button

>>537911583
reddit headcanon

>>537899334 (OP)
how do i read my rank ??? how do enter ranked games if that's how i get on e?

>>537913352
the ult only targets 2 people or 3 at max level

>>537913706
>how do i read my rank
click on your profile and it should be on the tab that isn't "time played"
>enter ranked games
all games are ranked games.

Anyone here broolin'?

>>537899484
Too bad Steam servers are hosted in a cave in Somalia

Just had a blast broolin in mid, we lost but we put up a good fight

>Wanna Driftersoom
>The enemy team is just deathballing every lane
>We're slowly winning from split pushing but its the most unfun way possible to win

im starting to think broolers get it

>>537914081
>453k minimum people downloading a game all at once
>ALONG with everyone downloading every other game
no server on the planet could handle that

when I hear the bebop hook connect with some fool it's like a dopamine creampie
>>537914382
yeah lowshits are starting to realize deathballing is the safest thing to do when you don't know wtf you're doing which is really annoying because I had to play a drifter game the same way. couldn't kill anyone because it was a constant 1v6 and just had to split push to win

>>537914465
My uncle's home computer can

>>537911125
Just means I'm guaranteed to get him every time.
>absolute monster on the lane
>one of the best split pushers in the game
>bolts remain relevant up to the late game
>bunnymaxxing is still as gay and aids as ever
Easily the most slept on hero. I hope it stays that way.

My god the first hollow knight wasn't even anything special, what an insane shill campaign that convinced so many people they needed to play another shitty scrimblo Metroid clone or they'd suffer FOMO

>>537899765
>just die over and over and feed the enemy and then look bad in the post-game K/D chart bro

>>537915223
The power of normans

>>537915223
Deadlock?

>>537915223
offtopic but yeah, there is no way that /v/ is organically flooding in silksong threads

To be fair, Doorman's bells DO deal a ridiculous amount of damage. Ive played with multiple Doormen that deal top damage just by building spirit and chucking bells at people

>>537915223
I didn't even finish the first one, only bought it because the knight and hornet are hot.

>>537899334 (OP)
>the cube is warm- ACK

>>537915638
Uh oh you just angered The Doormen!

>>537915638
Also what makes the bell truly ridiculous is that it deals all that damage while also being able to hit people with it no matter where they are.
There's no hiding from the bell in lane, your ass is getting rung.

>>537902114
Valve if not politically correct company would just add "For Allah" to all those. Fucking crazy sandniggers.

>>537902114
in case anyone wants it.
https://files.catbox.moe/7m56mg.vpk

>surge of power on 3 mirage
>hits me for 900 with Djiins mark at 15 minutes
owie

what's the counter to a mcginnis and mo and krill

>>537902831
Here's guide on how good your mobility has to be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTZD9fNoCfM

>>537915223
You're pretty ignorant if you don't think the first game was really popular, the subreddit has 1 millions subs which is maybe the highest for an indie game

So I tested it and you can't reduce the damage of jumpstart.

Why does it even say it does spirit damage if you can't reduce it lol, it's gotta be bugged I guess.

>>537917112
because it needs to be listed as a damage source, same with Geist swap.

>>537911982
You will never be black woman of valve unoriginality- poster

>>537917636
Then why bother specifying spirit damage, dingaling bro

can someone explain to me how a mirage loses to mina in lane

>>537917982
the fuck else is it gonna be, dawg? physical?
they don't have a damage type for pure damage yet.
it's just spirit damage that can't be negated.

>>537918285
There is a pure damage type, it's geist swap and siphon bullets that show up as white on damage charts, dumbass

>>537918393
they both show up as purple for me, do you have a screenshot for that?

ALCHEMICAL FLASK

guys i just went from alchestmist 4 to alchemist 3 what the fuck do i do with myself

>>537919143
touch yourself

>>537919143
Do a backflip.

>>537899765
>kill 3 enemy team members
>die
>bounty is now so large they immediately have a higher net worth again

>>537919496
Bounty is tied to time, not networth.

>>537919772
Kill streak bonus & comeback mechanics (but also I'm exaggerating)

balance patch today NYO

>>537919496
>>537919946
maybe bounty should be tied to item values instead of kill streak

>>537912894
If leaks were true he would have been more of a melee ranged character with only 2 shots that would have been basically at punch range with a weaker alt fire that doesnt consume ammo. When he was partially implemented few months ago I though he would be using a double barrel shotgun but alas they made him play too much like your average brainded m1 carry.

STOP GIVING ME FEEDING MINAS!!!

>>537918996
Defeat me if you can!

>>537905489
>they removed the thigh highs + garter belt combo and replaced it with a shitty thights
Also I hate the new gun, should have kept the old snubnose purse revolver.
Unironically the only hero that received a visual downgrade.

>>537919946
>>537920061
That still doesn't mean you should avoid fights because you're afraid of giving 100 extra souls on your death 20 minutes into the game.

>>537920373
when they get him to a good balanced state maybe they can look into giving him a M2. viscous got his M2 back a few months after official release.

>>537915398
More organic than all the gachaspam

do we know for sure which characters were designed by hotpoo?

>>537922379
Yes, 100% its Sinclair, Vyper, and Victor

>>537922379
he confirmed himself its vyper and sinclair

>>537922523
Victor is too good to be hotpoo work

>>537922379
vyper, sinclair, calico rework
don't know for sure about any of the new ones but he retweeted the paige announcement

>>537922379
he's taken credit for them on discord I think. you can kinda tell which ones are hopoo anyway, there are strong core abilities (vyper slide, sinclair assistant) the rest of the kit is based around. icefrog likes passives and dota ults.

>>537922526
>>537922523
LMAO he needs to get fired asap

>>537920576
>implying there's another kind of minas
Fuck this coomer hero, I'd rather this game stay at 10k players than have another 10k of dogshit marvel tourists

>>537922379
He was the lead on Sinclair and Vyper, since then he is just one of the general leads of Deadlock along with Paul Morse (also Risk of Rain), Robin Walker (TF2), Adrian Finol (DOTA 2), and IceFrog

>>537923038
I wonder if Robin Walker designed any heroes

>>537923234
he designed walkers

I'm having something strange happening with Dynamo. When in a match, I can't cast his aurora, but when I leave quantum entanglement, it autocasts. The UI shows that I'm pressing the right buttons, but the ability doesn't activate. This is making the hero almost unplayable.

mina isnt s coomer hero. For starters she wears pants. Real coomer heroes show off ass and panties.

>>537923038
How do you know other guys are in deadlock? What did they make?

>game is a total stomp
>somehow it still takes these dumbasses 40 minutes to beat us

also I'm starting to realize split shot makes drifter way better in team fights, also I cant aim for shit so its nice :)

>>537923038
Robin Walker isn't on Deadlock, he's most likely wrapping up on HLX. the Team Fortress 2 lead that was claimed to currently be on Deadlock is John Cook.

wtf is hotpoo

Just played my first match against real players. We lost.

>>537923883
some channer chud

literally what are you suppose to do vs a fed drifter?

>>537923924
stun, disarm, etc. he folds to any CC hard and lacks real disengage. also, wait for nerfs to tone down his burst M1 damage

Victor is so weak in lane, I dont understand how people lose to him

>>537922628
An overtuned 2 button hero? Please.
>>537922662
Vyper has the most neurotic kit in the game, none of her abilities tie together. She needs a rework of some kind.

>>537923732
teams will get a whiff of stomping and then prolong the game massively. they'll just grab rejuv and then run the urn twice as a team while not pushing a single lane

>>537924246
I fucking hate vyper. but I think her core abilities are well-designed. her passive slide and ult are perfectly fine. just need to look at her 1 and 2 for reworking

>>537923732
>people in this thread actually let victor get a lead
fucking embarrassing

>>537923883
it's referencing the devs that made risk of rain 2 hopoo games, Valve hired them to help make characters and items. A huge mistake because those faggots only know how to do items and characters for a PVE rouge-like game and the fact they cant code for shit. fucking sellouts.

>>537924246
>Vyper has the most neurotic kit in the game, none of her abilities tie together. She needs a rework of some kind.

She would play well in risk of rain lmao I hope valve fires these hacks

>>537924606
I wish I couldve done something about it

We were in lane and everyone was ~5k souls, suddenly I have victor in my lane and check the scoreboard and him and that faggot pocket have 10k souls

no fucking clue what those tards did to give them the easiest lane ever

>post Lash+Abrams+Pocket sexo images many times
>no reaction
>post Geist (pic rel) just once
>instant 3 days ban from all boards

Lock bros???? We have a gay snitch among us

>>537923413
This. She's an unironic troon bait character

If they dont release this shit soon, its gonna be so far forgotten by the time it does come out

>>537925052
repost it

>>537925052
>Interracial AI slop
Keep that shit in /trash/ or fuck off
Rare moment where moderation is actually doing its job

>>537924372
>passive: enables sliding for infinite ammo
>ult: stuns enemies and gives immunity to bullet damage
How is that well-designed?

>>537925052
are you sure that picture portrays only Geist?

Anyone else enjoy just fucking around with console commands

Sounds like a jet engine when firing

>>537924732
They don't even know how to do pve games. RoR1 was okay and RoR2 was rng stat check.

>>537925314
vyper can slide into a skirmish, ult someone they want to pick off and chase off their buddy. or can ult the tank and pick off the squishy. it's also a strong counter ult that can save her ass.

what sort of ult would you prefer? the medusa ult works well imo

>>537925409
make it white

>>537925052
Imma gonna snitch to the gay mafia the moment you post anything ever again to keep you str*ightfags down

>>537925052
>duuuurrrrr why was i banned for racebaiting hurrrrr

>>537924246
Vyper needs immunity to knockups while sliding, her 2 changed to also be a passive focusing on the tier 3 upgrade and her 1 changed to be like sand blast but with a slow that gives damage amp instead of a disarm

>>537925314
the 2 pierces ult immunity
even the T5 upgrade applies poison with bullets on ulted targets, though nothing in the game tells you that

>>537925694
>immunity to knockups

your bkb bro?

i really think mirage needs to have a new ability, maybe his scarab changed to something else. character is so boring to play

>>537925524
Dusa ult doesn't give enemy the immunity to her main damage type which is why it works well. My opinion: follow one of these:
>literally reverse the effects: immune to spirit, takes dmg from gun
>change the knife to something else, preferably building stacks like SD does, to make ult a setup for ez stacking and enable spirit Vyper playstyle
Yay or nay?

>>537925858
He's a 1 ability character that is just a stun/evade most of the match
I dunno how this went live.

>>537925858
From what I understand he's meant to be this game's version of twisted fate. So he can't be too busted since his ult has so much utility/gank potential.

>>537925969
her ult allowing bullet damage would just make her busted and she'd get slammed into F tier again. I think the knife is fine and you could fold venom into it, make her 2 something else entirely

>>537925858
>>537926319
he also seems like THE aimhack character, just scrap it

>>537925618
Post a quality Geist image like this without black bs I'll be happy

>>537926434
Lots of characters benefit from aimhacking way more than Mirage does, his bullet damage is actually overall fairly low.

vyper was originally meant to be a gorgon but got changed into just a snake at some point

but all her abilities are stuck like shes a gorgon

>>537925858
Mirage, Vyper, Sinclair and maybe Vindicta.

>>537926434
Nah that's Holliday and Haze

Valve should be bullied into making singleplayer games and singleplayer games alone.

they're literally shitting another half life for you in 1-2 years, shut the fuck up bitch

>>537925694
>immunity to knockups while sliding
That would be ebolacancer
>>537926389
>her ult allowing bullet damage would just make her busted
That would make her kit logical at least, but too similar to Wraith
>the knife is fine and you could fold venom into it
There's nothing else in her kit it interracts with

>>537901186
Souls for the doorman to steal without any risk

>>537926329
his ability doesnt have to be busted, just make it intuitive or fun or something. scarab is a nothingburger ability

>>537926434
every aimnigger I've seen plays Vind or Haze

>>537926624
vindicta is fine, the only flier I'd like to see change is talon because his current kit is just spirit burst only.

>>537925969
thinking about it more, here's what I would do for vyper:

1. fold 1 and 2 into each other, give it +2 charges as t3 upgrade. so knife skillshot with fading slow and venom burst. skillshot so it's dodgeable but can still strong. would enable spirit vyper.

2. her 2 is "slough skin", one-time purge that gives her fire-rate buffs. OR alternatively, some sort of combo skill that synergizes with slide. some anon posted his "tail lash" idea, I think that would work well (the more she slides the more burst damage it would do). would probably end her slide momentum so it would take some skill to use at the right time, but would favor her diving playstyle.

>>537927079
LOTS of "aim trainers" from the "aiming community" on Haze, that's for sure.

>>537910082
>doorman
>Viscous
>Holiday
Holy shit it's my que roster
Wait is deadlock actually a lot easier than I've been experiencing? Could I rocket up ELO of I picked different characters?

>>537927268
>have paradox on team
>constantly bitching on mic in a nasally canadian voice
>me and 2 other randoms on team finally tell him to shut the fuck up.
>"uhmmm im 7-2"
>tries to fight the 3/5 warden
>dies
>ends game with a negative KD
>check steam profile after game
>aim trainer and nothing but shooter games with 1000's of hours in each
shooter niggers need to get out.

>>537927235
>1. fold 1 and 2 into each other
Would be devastating in lane, poke + damage + execute, unless her venom burst is T3 upgr imo
>the more she slides the more burst damage it would do
Well this sounds way more fun than 1+2 she has right now and would give her an option of spirit burst build. I suggest you check other suggestions here for a while and post a preferred skillset rework to forum. Vyper is beyond garbage by design, there has to be a way to make her work without overbuffing her gun.

>>537925858
like half of the original roster needs their abilities revisited

>>537927757
>>537927268
What is an aim trainer? What even is the aiming community? My only exposure to it was that one troon hacking in the Battlefield beta.

>>537924128
He can become very tanky very quickly because of how his regen scales with spirit. Extra spirit + Extra regen and he's up to 6.2 regen which is quite a lot for the start of the game. His gun DPS is actually fairly good.
Pain battery also does quite a lot of damage in lane and he can charge it with jumpstart.

He's good at a base level but you can turn him into an absolute lane bully if you want

>>537927268
She was taylor made to attract shooter tourists, no surprise here.

>>537927020
All they have to do is add a small cooldown between each scarab shot and make it apply djinn's mark. Right now mirage's problem is his gimmick takes too long for how fast the fights are and that would go a long way towards making him viable again

>>537927989
It's a fresh new maymay related to that exact troon. His defenders were presenting themselves as experts from the "aiming community".

>>537925349
Infernus is also in Deadlock so what's the problem

How do I build Yamato that can actually make a lot of damage?

>>537928751
power surge and echo shard 1

>>537928751
spirt slash

>>537928904
>5 second casting time

>>537926897
>two more weeks

>>537928751
go gun yamato and split shot her right click to shotgun people.

>>537928904
>3k for like 25 damage

>>537920576
>>537923007
she's actually good if you can play the game

>>537929651
yeah but there's only one of those for every 50 mina players out there.
the last one i laned with feels like she didn't even have a gun, we lost tower at like 4 minutes.

>>537929550
retard

>>537925116
that's Paige, not Mina.
I have heard ONE masc male playing Paige on VC, the rest were trannies/flamers.

Yamato
>one slow ass shit power slash within 15m distance
Talon
>many arrows you can shoot across the map with no cooldown or casting time

Yamato
>some lame hook that does no damage
Talon
>the fucking owl so you can kill anyone from the distance

Yamato
>resist buff that will keep you alive for another 8 seconds
Talon
>nigga can literally fly and stay away

Yamato
>another slash with close to none damage
Talon
>a fucking disarm silencer

Explain how is this balanced?

>>537929848
yeah she attracts the worst players. in both those vindicta games someone else got her and fed like crazy

>>537927421
you could literally, unironically, go up an entire tier or two if you started spamming Seven.

>win first victor match 8-2
>he drops to my lowest rank hero
>lose first drifter match 2-9
>he's still above my victor rank

shits retarded

>>537929651
>mina on enemy team
destroyed their lane, up 8k souls at 15 mins, wins team fights with ult
>mina on my team
>loses lane in 4 mins, 1/7 at 10 mins, does nothing but AFK farm, never rotates, nevers uses Ult in team fight except when everyone on team is already dead

>>537930271
I keep telling you niggas, elo does not matter. Just play to have fun.
Once we have an actual, non-schizo ranked mode then you niggas can start tryharding for real.

>Frogtard
>low quality bait
every time

>>537926434
why would aimhackers play mirage...?

>>537930042
By Yamato being a stronger character than GT?
Learn to play frogtard.

>>537909689
victor so broken lmao
captcha: KYS2G

>>537930534
Stronger how exactly?

Am I doing something wrong or is Spirit McGinnis just kinda shit? I've been playing her a Heavy cosplay and recently tried out spirit on her.

>>537929848
>>537930095
>playing Mina so that you don't have to deal with some other retard playing her
New strat to maximize your winrate

>>537930042
>nigga can literally fly
*CLANG*

>>537930756
the game is not fun when spirit ginnis is viable so they simply made it not viable.

Victortrannies are terrible at the game if they're managing to lose on free soul rebirth the hero.

antivictortrannies dont know how to build a single 3200 soul item. SAD!

>>537930852
I feel like valve should have learned from tf2 that mini sentries are not fun and then they gave McGinnis 3 of them.

>>537930839
it is 100% why i picked her up, her design is solid but I find her voice annoying.

I remember Infernus being heavily, and I mean HEAVILY shilled when the game was starting being first discussed on 4chan, now the shills are pushing Doorman

>>537902114
where can i get this mod?

>>537930042
Talon is squishy.
Not even need that much work to deal with him.
Yamato requires silence but nobody wants to buy it.

>>537931317
I LITERALLY replied to the post with the file, dawg. >>537916164

The shop keeper asking if you want tickets to "South Pacific" confirms World War 2 did happen and its at least 1949

Mirage rework idea.

Keep the same gun.

Skill 1: Scarabs. (charge based, but like a normal skill and not the use all the charges before the duration ends type)

Attaches a scarab on the enemy that now will cound as a crit/weak spot for mirages gun. the beetle will also do small amounts of damage that heals mirage and apply a Djinns mark ( this mark shares CD with your gun application so you cant double dip). Enemies can help their allies and shoot the beetle off or use debuff remover/Ethereal shift.

Skill 2: Mystic cloud.

Mirage dashes forward ( like the tornado) but creates a trail of smoke with him. enemies hit instantly get a Djinns mark on them regardless of beetle or weapon CD. every 1.5 sec spent in the cloud applies another mark regardless of CD. this cloud has no CC like the tornado.

Skill 3: the same

Skill 4: the same but with a few changes.

When tp to an enemy, gain a Backstabber like mark on them so you can see where they go for X seconds and bonus move speed.

on allies give them barrier and make a 2nd skill smoke cloud that does the same thing.

Thoughts?

>>537932231
The word "laser" originated in 1959 as an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation

>Abrams and Victor in the same lane
What do? This combo is so cancer inducing

>>537932632
Stay away from them

>>537932632
Just farm under tower.

>>537932632
shoot them? ignore them?
how the fuck are you dying to Victor early game? especially since Abrams doesn't do enough early game to one shot and you can just freely proc resto shot on them to full HP.

Man, I miss winning. Maybe I should stop playing Dynamo.

how do i play this fucking nonbinary, i get absolutely zero damage

>>537932632
>2 heroes only effective at short range in one lane
This is a free win are you retarded

>>537933990
Is it me or does he look like a manwha main character.

>>537932632
dying to victor early is an extreme skill issue. his gun is okay at best and his aura is worse for him rather then you without bigger items

WHY DOES THE 0/9 MCGINNIS GET CARRIED AND WIN WHILE I GET A LEAVER FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

>>537934078
He reminds me of a "trans masc".
think of the one that love yaoi and doomed homosexual novel

>>537933990
Land your Barrage
Spread aids

>>537933990
hit barrage
hit cloak
hit satchel
hit cold front
hit shotgun shots
hit affliction

>>537932859
>>537934179

>how the fuck are you dying to Victor early game?
I never said anything about dying retard. The problem they both have really oppressive regen and refuse to die. its a nothing ever happens lane.

>>537932845
>be relegated to play the game the most unfun way
bravo valve

>>537934179
His gun has one of the highest dps' in the game, it's just got a slow velocity and is inaccurate so it's hard to use when not up close.

>>537934545
>its a nothing ever happens lane.
fucking and? you reddit spacing retard?
what, would you rather it be a vindictia/mirage lane?
who the fuck cries about this, kill yourself.

>>537932632
You don't have to do much of anything. They have terrible wave clear so their ability to push the tower is low. Keep your distance and they legit can't do anything to your lane.

>>537934679
I love Funny Ragdolls™

>up against a warden and viscous in lane
>they rush the guardian and rape waves in 2 seconds
>6 minutes into the match they've already lowered our walker's health to half
>warden ults into the walker with no repercussions and does giga damage
fun times

>>537934495
It's not a shotgun, it's a 7 barrel gun.

>>537934545
You don't always need to be fighting.
Just neutralize the lane and abuse their dogshit range and mobility later.

>>537934809
This is a vibe check lane like infernus + seven where you have to be equally aggressive or you're just fucked.

>>537934809
I keep telling people Warden is sleeper OP. He's busted at every stage of the game alongside having one of the best ults
He even has CC for fuck sake.
The only real weakness is a lack of mobility bullshit like Mina's retreats but he still gets move speed from his upgraded barrier so its not completely terrible.

Ok I have a legitimate complaint. The quick cast option is ultra inconsistent, Abram's 1 and Krill's 1 and 3 just get casted instantly

>>537935080
He's never been sleeper OP, he's just OP.

>>537935148
There are people that don't use the cast on release mode?

>>537934679
>tom & jerry yelp dot sfx

>>537935260
that's literally quick cast

>>537935080
the fact that he gets stamina drain on t1 of his flask (very easy to hit) while mina's stamina drain is a t3 upgrade and requires a love bites trigger is hilarious.

>>537935343
There are variants of qc

I saw this funny frog and it reminded me of deadlock hehe

>>537934078
Cus all asians rook the same
>>537934203
kys

Another thing, probably happens to other characters too but I'm looking at Billy now. His 2 doesn't have its range specified, his 4 gives him bullet and spirit resistances but doesn't actually tell you that you get them in the ability description. It shows you the values but the description says only that you slow, silence the enemy movement abilities and after a while pull them towards you.

Do any of you play on controller? I just realized that the game has controller support and gyro aim config, it's really good! Probably the best I've seen from a modern F2P shooter.

>>537936030
I respect my teammates too much to do that

Now that bugs are in the wider cultural zeitgeist, when can we expect an insect hero to be released?

>>537934545
>its a nothing ever happens lane.
you can force them under tower and harass them from the side. getting them low with just your gun it pretty easy considering their giant hitboxes so you can just all in one of them and pick off the other

>>537936030
if I see a teammate using a controller I am unironically, pausing and then instantly alt f4ing

>>537936176
mina exists

>>537935080
>sleeper op
he has the highest winrate in the game at higher elo

>>537936274
LMAO

>>537936030
Not sure how that'd work
You need 2 should buttons for shoot and aim/zoom (important since some characters get alt fires off their zoom too)
4 buttons dedicated to abilities (for most characters)
4 buttons dedicated to items
AND an alt cast button
Then jump, crouch, melee, parry

Dota TI is on apparently where's eternal envy? Where's Arteezy? Where's pugna dagon?

>>537936553
why are you asking here and not the dota general, you retarded subhuman russian dog?

>>537936710
this is the dota 3 thread

>>537936543
I started playing yesterday and have exclusively played on controller. Dualsense, gyro aim enabled. L1 uses a modeshift to select abilities with the 4 have buttons. Since this game supports the Steam deck it has a very complex controller scheme which I have been using in other games by enabling really complex personalized settings. The fact that this game has it by default and spared me from having to make a costum config from the start has me hooked!

>>537935791
>counterspells you
Phantom strike is now the only trve item counter to flyers

>>537936543
>Not sure how that'd work
people play final fantasy xiv (a fucking MMO with 3 hotbars of actions) on a controller

>>537937120
If you can't play wow on a controller you're not a real gamer

>>537926465
Post yourself cutting your wrists and everyone will be happy

>>537905531
He made two pieces of kino then disappeared

>>537936274
That is not a bug.

i'm done playing support until i hit emissary or some shit. it feels so pointless to play support when people just let lanes get shoved to walker and beyond. it feels more advantageous to never come to a teamfight then to show up and win, but lose two walkers in the process because no one else was looking at the minimap.

>>537906103
auhgf,,,,, Eliza my beloved,,,,,

>>537936274
lol based

>>537906103
It even makes sense to have calico themed after bastet given how much mythology pervades the game design

Heard someone say backstab infinite, what's that?

>>537935148
Those abilities have no option for quick cast, if that's what you mean why would you not want to cast them instantly

>>537937939
imperial chinese tech
I don't know

>>537935148
why would you not want to cast them instantly?

>>537936543
Steam deck theory:
>4 back buttons are 4 abilities
>Triggers are fire/altfire
>4 dpad directions are 4 items
>ping/alt cast on right bumper
>Melee on left bumper
>Jump on A
>Crouch on B
>Dash on X
>Parry on Y
>Open shop on select
>Pause on pause

>everyone abandoned spirit mirage to go full gun
Literally all you need is boundless and spiritual overflow, then two max pops deal 2.7k damage am I missing something here?

>>537925858
>characters that will see no major changes on their kits
abrams, geist, bebop, dynamo, viscous, holliday, vindicta, haze, infernus, ivy, wraith, mcginnis, lash, kelvin, pocket, paradox
>characters that will get one or two abilities changed
seven, warden, yamato, gay talon
>characters that will receive full reworks
vyper, sinclair, mo and krill, shiv, mirage
>character that needs to be deleted or replaced completely by a better design and kit
calico

>>537938456
i can't aim so i need ricochet

>>537936030
>moba on a controller
Just fuck off man

>>537938456
People in general are braindead bots. They don't want to theorycraft. They don't want to play their character in different ways. They want to copy a build and do the exact same thing every single game always.

Most characters can be built in multiple different ways and do cool, different things but most people wont think about it and just run what's most popular or what gives the most damage or w/e.

>>537938456
You could play a spirit build that doesn't need 12 seconds to deal damage

I FUCKING HATE DRIFTER
NERF HIM!

the game takes place in the 1990s, they couldn't commit to the earlier, more kino era. So gay

Ivy (gun Ivy specifically), Paradox, and Mo players are always the most likely to be whiny faggots on my team that blame everyone else for their poor performance, don't know why this is

>>537938456
Who is "everyone"

>>537938456
Do you know how long it takes to max pop someone? You could instead just shoot them and kill them in half the time with a gun build.

Torment Pulse used to be the best item in the game, what happened?

>>537939126
>supports characters are weaker with a shit team

>>537938107
>>537938207
so that I dont miss them by like a meter

>>537939302
Cooldown got nerfed to not work on items unless you get the 6k cooldown item.

>>537938456
>i don't understand the concept of time

>>537939408
They also cut its damage in half 4 months ago

Toxic Bullets on Kelvin is actually really good

>>537939367
how are you going to miss them? do you have some kind of depth perception issue?

>>537939732
you are a braindead nigger, like a literal normalfag. I hate these kind of retarded questions

>>537939848
im not the dumb nigger missing giant AoEs
KEK

>drifter and viktor on your team meme
So it's true uh

>>537939915
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK my fellow redditor

How come whenever I'm caught off guard my team are nowhere to be found, but whenever I catch them off guard they pull 3 niggas out they ass to demolish me?

gun or spirit on drifter

Is there a way to build Kelvin so he becomes a solo carry?

>>537940304
>victor on your team
>kills himself after throwing himself into a gank
>somehow has most deaths on a hero with auto-rejuv
>their victor
>raidboss that holds w on you and farms your supportsissies like breakable pickups
it’s all so tiresome

>>537940605
you never caught anyone off guard, you were just baited

dota general is a few door down

>>537938885
>>537939181
>>537939453
That's fair, I'm just mucking about in a build for a character I haven't touched in forever. 24k is a high asking price but these numbers is from only two headshots (to keep crippling up) followed by bodyshot magdumps while reloading with mercurial. This was only two magazines worth of rounds emptied in 7 seconds so you gotta admit there is something here. The build would truly shine if you mostly went gun anyways but the pops doing so much means these items shouldn't be ignored.

>went full support kelvin
>ended up with the most kills on my team
>lost
i'm actually so fucking done playing support. i can actually have impact as mirage. fuck this cuck ass role. all you need is knockdown anyway

>Would love a full list of who created what heroes movesets because it's interesting to see how a creator's personal preferences and mindset carries between different hero ideas
>Will never get it because too many retards would use it as a weapon to arbitrarily decide who is the better creator
Damn shame.

>>537942330
we already have the worst designer publicaly claiming credit for the worst characters in the game, what more do you need?

>>537942330
not really, League does this and nobody really talks about it aside from very niche and rare shitposting.
the ONLY one who got shit was certaintlyT and even then he did his job at making popular kits.

>Doorman is probably going to get his bells nerfed because of constant seething even though there's plenty of easy to land cancer poke in the game
>Likely going to happen without buffing other aspects of his kit so he'll be giga shit tier
Sigh

Pocket mains post build

Yamato seems easy to play, so I must be missing something.

>>537943508
Everything should be easy in initiate

>>537943212
reddit defense force already out crying about victor pubstomping and doorman laning
The biggest shitters who will make Yoshi confine a hero to one playstyle like they made seven into an m1 hypercarry only

>>537943508
Try hunting down an enemy and then as he turns the corner it's 3 of them

How do you play Paige? It just feels useless

>>537943212
doorman has one of the lowest winrates in the game and has no way to carry a game even if you're the best player in the lobby.
yet they wont whine about warden (who is an even stronger laner btw) who scales to late game and has one of the strongest (strongest with lighting scroll) ults in the game.
ah shit, warden hit 4 with lightning scroll? guess that walker is his now!

>>537944058
i think the community has just accepted warden and seven are yoshis mains or some shit i cant believe theyve been allowed to dominate for so long with barely any downsides

>>537943738
The spirit build is a meme unless you build the refresh cooldown active item, and even then the game should be over by then.
The support build has its uses but its gay as fuck
To solo carry you basically need to build gun. Good luck!

>>537944142
Seven is like the face of this game because so many of the edgy motherfuckers who play this game love his design and personality.

Help make this accurate (while also keeping it even)

>>537943738
broken hero. fuck paige

>>537944547
I'm on the opposite end, I can't stand how much of an edgelord he is but he allows me to carry games no matter what so I play him.

uh oh the game is dying again

>>537944629
retarded list, fuck you

>>537944721
Oh fuck I'll just have to take a break and play another videogame before the next big update how horrible.

>>537944721
All the people that rejoined/started getting farmed by people that never stopped playing smurfing since it's a free game

vgh...we need to play league of legends sisters!

Does Victor has some weird passive that just makes him significantly slower even if you buy your typical speed items? It feels like you're always slow unless you jump start, which I guess could be the point?

>>537943684
That's not really a problem exclusive to Yamato though.

>>537944629
What is the meaning of them, like how can Infernus be "artillery"

>>537944898
low movespeed/dash & air dash is intentional

>>537944721
Wait until they introduce crates and watch the numbers mysteriously shoot up to six digits again with completely organic non-botted activity cycles.

>>537944721
The modern gamer needs rewards to play beyond getting good. When that stuff gets introduced, the modern gamer will be incentivized to stick with it. Even more so when tournament winnings start coming into play.

>>537935791
There should be a pepe hero

>>537945074
zamn, already pre-coping before they implement the crate system? you crazy bruh

Knockdown is such a good item and it's range is insane.

>>537944890
vgtw

>>537944976
Brawler- Tanky sustain close range
Disruption- Area control and CC
Assassin- burst damage and high mobility
Magician- weird stuff “rule breaking” abilities
Collaboration- support abilities (while not being pure support)
Artillery- high continuous far range dps/carries

>>537944890
vvgn, vvgq, tranny

Light melee parry should not stun as long a heavy melee parry

>>537945781
You're right, it should be longer

they took out parry while dashing?

how do i holliday

>>537945970
you also can't parry while jumping anymore it says "can't jump while busy"
died to a fucking guardian earlier while diving cause of it.

>>537944721
>oh no my queues pop in 1:30 instead of 1:15 now, if i can't spam games and feel even the slightest negative emotion i'm busy trying to suppress i don't know what i'll do

I like Vindicta but I can't aim for shit, fuck this gay world

>>537946035
>jumpad
>melee barrel down
>hit headshot in the air
>land on enemy
>barrel and melee again
>run away
Rinse & Repeat

>>537945421
I guess I would make these changes
Talon is Artillery
Vyper and Mina are Assassins
Geist is Brawler
Infernus and Holliday are Disruption

>>537945781
Kill yourself meleetard

>>537945781
maybe don't be so predictable, retard? deserved.

>>537945781
na

Rebuttal should be changed to Explosive Rebuttal


>Explosive Rebuttal
>If you parry an enemy hero they immediately die
>if you parry and no enemy heroes melee you, you immediately die after your parry expires

>>537946648
hitting barrel is hard

>>537934078
you reckon Pocket has a lightsaber cock?

>>537944721
Mina players found another waifuslop, 20k players leaving soon

Paige is fun and she is sexy

I approve

>>537947246
what the fuck
how

>>537947589
its one of the easiest abilities in the game to land, it's literally just splatter with CC on it
how retarded are you

>>537947512
that's retarded
people would just buy it to kill themselves to deny souls and warp to base early game.

ANOTHER DOGSHIT GAME WHERE INFERNUS/HAZE PERMA FARMS AND COMES OUT WITH 10K SOULS ADVANTAGE AND RAPES EVERYONE WOOHOOOOOOOO
I LOVE PVE GAMING

>>537947912
you can already do that on the guardian

>>537947246
I learned to never play after midnight eastern time, I went from mostly winning to losing 6 games in a row

>>537947998
Invade their jungle, gank, and keep lanes shoved

imagine waking up and just
locking in mirage/wraith
what the fuck is wrong with these "people"

Just had the worst loss of my career and I fell down 3 ranks god I want to die

>>537948305
>career
lol

>go spirit holliday
>spill my spaghetti and fuck up a barrel or two in a teamfight
>feel like I'm just sitting there waiting for my cooldowns while the rest of the team is punching on
fugg, getting better at landing barrels aside I feel like full spirit ain't a great idea on her

>>537948161
They're still more honest than Warden, Seven, or Drifter

>>537948117
yeah man just gank bro theres nothing wrong with the games design just invade

>throw a won game
humbling

drifters ult is a problem

>won a thrown game
shit I'll take it

>>537948117
>Invade their jungle,
and then get 3 man collapsed on after Haze pops 2 and sprints away or Infernus flame dashes away.
>gank
read above
>keep lanes shoved
more souls per minute for them to farm.
so many winning scenarios!

there's literally 0 consistency for what walls count for Billy's ult and what walls don't
fucking retard ass ability

>>537948491
If they are afk farming you are in a 6v5 and have an advantage if you or your team don't do anything with that that's on you. Take their farm, push objectives, force them to fight with a bag, these are all valid options. If they get to just exist AFK on the map and there's no punishment it means you're borderline afk as well

>>537948876
is not sevens ult

>>537948876
I feel like I've been yoinked out from a wall more times by that stupid ult than any bebop hooks that hit me the moment I get to cover

>>537948109
>try and play around 1pm
>feeding leavers
>try again at 8pm
>feeding and leaving
wtf is the best time for this god damn it

most broken warden build for low elo? I need to solo carry my retarded team and climb myself out

>>537949051
weekday evenings are usually consistent

>Have a 60% winrate with Ivy
>Get a string of the worst teammates possible that dump me down to 50%
>As soon as I hit 50% I get an easy game suddenly
wow real subtle valve

>>537949081
isn't there a rey flask build? use that or the metro build.
haven't played that drooler champ in a while.

If the anon asking for the 1/30 Victor game screenshot is here, I've got it
Please disregard my seven stats as I was the sacrificial lamb for the haze (I also played like shit)
>>537948731
Hey, at least you didn't throw by forgetting to push and having the lane creeps kill the patron like I saw a few days ago

>>537949081
deathys hybrid

>>537948780
It's the best ult in the game right now don't care what anyone says

Drifter should have been a werewolf

>Drifter, Haze, Victor, Paige, Infernus, Kelvin
There is literally not a single. Fucking. Thing. You can do against this comp. Just had a 50 minute match of this shit because they kept fucking with us and backing out of teamfights whenever they killed a few people.
Afterwards they would just take all of our jungle while we have to watch like the good little cucks we are. We had NO farm, anytime we would try to farm lane was an instant gank. Fucking aids.

>>537949760
duration will probably be lowered a bit (1-2s). but that's about it. maybe they'll still allow abilities to be seen through the fog?

>Warden goes on this ALLCAPS monologue at start where he says he will arrest everyone inevatibly
>Uses binding word precisely 2 times in first 10 minutes
>I was laning with him
>As Paige
>I had to initate both times to make him go in
What makes people act like this?

hi im a deadlock dev, here's a leak for the upcoming werewolf character
>ULTIMATE: Looks-to-moon takes off her tube socks, revealing her big stinky paws. All heroes who are in the AOE cloud are stunned except for Mina who is pulled in.

>>537949812
ummm have you tried invading and ganking them early in the game?

>>537949123
rip me cause i have to make dinner around that time guess i just gotta farm and sweat some more for a win tonight

>>537949894
you might be autistic

Can you i-frame out of Doorman's ult has anyone tried that?

>>537949812
um...just invade them? gank them bucko???
maybe...shove a wave???
heh, RETARD?
oh, my rank? yeah, i'm kind of a big deal.
heh, ritualist 6.
I know I know. kind of a big shot.
ask for some more tips, I know u need em, heh...

>>537949953
>>537950115
this is cope from homos who got schooled by an eternus it. you are eternally assmad that you have hit the wall in your skill progression so you hide behind ironic shitposts

>>537950115
Are you that mindbroken over people offering you a solution?

>>537950323
Yeah man clearly the game isn't wrong it's the player

>>537950323
>>537950343
you lost

>>537944629
Viscous and McGinnis are called "disruptor" in the character select screen

>>537950031
You can counterspell and quantum entanglement out of it

>>537950452
70% winrate on Lash, cocksucker.

>>537947898
i just lost two more
every time
vampire bat on my team
2/10
defeat

M1 derangement has crippled this general beyond belief, people are too pigheaded to attempt any kind of counterplay

How do I intentionally tank my mmr without getting reported and banned?

>>537947589
You have to be somewhat above them to make it easy to hit. Barrel on the ground takes some getting use to.

>>537950560
do you play any fair characters or just the ult bot?

>>537950560
>70% winrate on Lash, bub
>heh, over how many games?
>yeah, 15....
>in ritualist
>i'm kind of the GOAT, heh...
>my bros call me Jacob because of how epic I am at Lash, heh...

>>537950590
You will NEVER be an eternus you fat fucking nigger.

>>537950658
Not happening.

>>537950658
Play Mina

>>537950590
counterplay is when you risk everything to stop the haze from farming
do you know what risk vs reward is

>>537950658
Play mina/kevin/paige

>>537950791
Kelvin is good though

>>537950749
Haze's early game is extremely weak there is barely any risk unless you somehow managed to lose lane against her, what hero are you playing that you're struggling so hard?

>>537950961
I'm aware, he also has global aggro from being an annoying asshole so you can feed more without being suspicious

>>537950965
>haze's early game is extremely weak

???

sleep dagger allows her to escape anything, her midrange is about as easy and strong as infernus. if she crumbles due to shitty teammate, that's everyone in the game.

>>537951183
>Haze's early game is extremely weak

>>537951358
meant for >>537950965

>>537950965
>Haze's early game is extremely weak
it's literally entirely in Haze's hands if she dies in a 1v1.
you cannot kill her if she just hits you with a dagger then runs away with 2.

>Shitlows actually think Haze has a strong early game
Post your main alongside your retarded takes so we can all laugh at you

>>537951903
you called it extremely weak, she's VERY safe while farming.
you drooling retarded haze monkey.

>>537951903
yeah has the same kind of early game as infernus, are you going to call him a weak laner too?

>>537952056
I play Doorman, Lash, and Calico if you are struggling against Haze early game and can't outplay a fucking sleep dagger you are dogshit

>>537950528
Not what I asked. Thanks for nothing.

>>537902114
whats wrong with mirage?

>>537952203
when you're diving the Haze, you're going to be in easy dagger range.
sorry you play in a cancer low where Haze players can't even land a dagger at 10m.

>>537952203
>getting in on haze as any of these characters
must be nice in lowelo niggerville

>team takes mid boss
>we're up 10k networth
>double the kills
>run back to farm our jungle
>i die cause im the only person that pushed
hahaha im a retard

just nerf the jungle
easiest fix to the game
stop the pve loving faggots

>>537952445
>>i die cause im the only person that pushed
I make it a point to go
>so we killed 4
>need a slot
>blue is shoved to their walker
>and we all go back into the jungle to do what?
>???
when this happens, it's ALWAYS met with silence.
even in fucking oracle this shit happens. player base is filled with retards with 0 macro sense.

>>537952121
Infernus has actual damage and a proper get out of jail free card early game, Haze doesn't
>>537952294
>>537952387
You dishonest shitlows gonna post your heroes or what?

>drifter enemy team
>20k lead, destroys everyone in seconds, unkillable
>drifter in my team
>dies in enemy jungle (he will do it again)
At least i discovered that disarming hex exists...but feels like only good if you're gun yourself and can burst down hard.

>>537952636
>Infernus has actual damage and a proper get out of jail free card early game, Haze doesn't

>>537952220
Always!

>Infernus has actual damage and a proper get out of jail free card early game, Haze doesn't
are hazetrannies for real
Sleep dagger into invis is far better than flame dash for escaping early game.

>>537952765
Wow you pushed her off her farm now you can take it from her so she can't afk farm til she's up 10k like you're claiming

>win 9 games in a row
>go up 2 ranks
>lose 2 games
>down 2 ranks
please help me out of this trench i have like a 70% WR and climbing is so fucking hard still
i dont want to play with league babies who dont understand map presence anymore grandpa

Whats the point of calico, or mirage for that matter.
They seem like "split push" heroes except they can't 1v1 unless really big and really anyone can split push already.

>>537952948
She just goes to another camp...breaking every case..taking a wave..going back to jungle........meanwhile you're risking your death invading her if anyone on the enemy team is close
Do you understand?

>>537952948
>Wow you pushed her off her farm now you can take it from her
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO ARE THESE RETARDS REAL
no, you get 2-3+ man jumped because you're fucking slept in the enemy jg and the haze called out your position

>>537952948
no one is even talking about farm retard, this is a laning convo

playing any tank is horrible because your retarded teammates will never EVER fucking help you when you combo/charge/etc. and take it as a invitation to run away to jungle

they should just get rid of the jungle, there's absolutely zero cases where farming is better than just denying wave and hitting boxes until the next wave comes and it just incentivizes retards to sit afk in them and feed 2k souls to drifter

>>537953085
>>537953201
So these are the bots I get in my games that can't kite and are afraid to apply any kind of map pressure huh

>victor farms all game and doesn't participate in fucking anything
>i have finished farming t. victor
>runs a lane through basically alone and starts causing havoc in the enemy base
>rest of us join in and just win the game, victor unkillable
alright

>>537953563
>no argument
I accept your concession

how to I get out of seeker hell

>>537953604
had the same exact experience today lol, this game rewards ego way way way too much in a fucking team game

>>537953292
You could say that for anyone but an m1 carry who was in the jungle for 25 minutes and has the highest net worth in the match

>>537953626
>Still hasn't posted what heroes you play
>Admits he's shitlow by claiming Haze is strong early game
>Incapable of playing around sleep dagger
It's fine you're bad at the game just please keep your retard takes to yourself

>>537953794
i'm phantom 4, tranny. you'll never even sniff archon on a no talent character like Haze.
start gargling my balls, cancerlow. I am your daddy.

I'll ask the same question I had last thread.

Why do some people get backstabber in the laning phase? It seems so niche because people aren't as often facing away from you for you to be able to apply it.

>>537953908
>Genuinely afraid to share what heroes he plays
>Gloating about being Phantom
>Accuses me of being a Haze main just because I know how to play around her
Kek

>>537953929
you'll proc it even if they turn around for just a little bit

>>537954080
>>Genuinely afraid to share what heroes he plays
I don't need to name shit tranny.
>Gloating
and yet I am double your rank, shitlow.
I could stomp your peak lobbies as gun GT.
i'd spit in your mouth if I knew your faggot ass wouldn't like it.

starting to think i don't have the genes to play this game

>gun paige
get this bitch off the map!!!!

>>537954689
forgot to mention we lost :(

>ah bloo bloo gun paige le broken
metal skin literally deletes this character

this game needs a surrender button to be honest

>kill Billy three times in lane
>third time Haze kills me and Yamato
>lose guardian but Bebop comes in as we respawn to push tower
>Yamato abandons lane despite having good health and it being 3v2, both of us ask why
>"no point, Haze was fed"
>abandons a few minutes later when Haze actually is fed from winning that fight
I don't understand

>>537954852
>gets rooted and knocked up by ult

how does metal skin help with that

WHAT

>new OP heroes released
>seven stabilizes to a even higher 58% winrate

ok can they do some real substantial nerfs to seven now

>>537955157
he'll deal with the hooligans

vindictas are either godlike snipermasters or 0/10 3k final damage retards

>>537955157
>CALL BELL IS BROKEN GUYS
>gets buffed
shitterbros...we lost...

>>537955157
i fucking love doorman

>>537953929
>>537954231
It procs anytime someone dashes back, which it really shouldn't. It should just be purely camera based.

>Mina buffed massively
oh no no I'm gonna be unstoppable now

What the fuck does she see in Lash

>>537955157
wait, I didn't even think about how massive of a buff that is.
that means you NEED to wait out that timer instead of just jumping down and either counterspelling or prepping an ult and falling into the pit with billy/warden ult.
very nice.

>>537955667
if you don't see it, you must be blind

>>537955645
those buffs are genuinely fucking insane, character is going to be gigabroken now.

My favorite part about Lash or Doorman is just jumping towards an enemy and seeing them run away in fear

>ctrl+f "geist"
>nothing

My beloved balanced gilf

these are some AI tier buffs for Vyper
what was the point of any of these shit ass meaningless "buffs"
I still love how astronomically useless Vyper 1 is compared to the warcrime that is Napalm.

>>537955157
Great, they gave the ult less counterplay

Just fucking remove this gay ass item. It's on every hero on every game and most fights everyone just farts on each other and I'm tired of this shit.

>>537956095
stop getting initiated on dumb haze

best character for a mindless gorilla player?

>haze downplayer already sperging out
I am tired of these niggers

>- Siphon Bullets: Max HP Steal reduced from 55 to 35
it has never been more over than it is right now

Low MMR retard here, is this good or bad for Sinclair? Seems bolt spam is worse but building around rabbit is better and the ult stuff is QoL (since the normal cooldown only factors if you copy an ult and die or don't use it), and I don't know if spectral assistant's changes are good or not because I don't understand how the spirit scaling factors in over time

>>537956326
He's a little weaker early game but he scales even harder now

>>537956326
>they buffed his rubick ult

lol

>>537956178
Don't project. Never played Haze once. Every laning phase is someone rushing this and it's GG unless you also rush it and use it too, otherwise you're down 120 health (now 100, who cares) and slowed to shit.

>>537954231
>>537955520
Not enough

>>537956473
>it's GG if they rush it

kite bro. only character it's really really stupid on is lash, but you should be hugging cover when you know hear him laughing

>>537956093
The counterplay is supposed to be movement, not cubing yourself

>>537956585
It's not stupid on him, he fucking needs it.

They fucking nerfed my Siphon Bullets rush strat??? It wasn't even that good!

>Oh, the new heroes are a little too strong but that's okay, i'm sure they'll get balanced out later
>>>>>Billy HEALTH BUFFS and a cooldown reduction
?????????????????????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DOORMAN BELL GETTING BETTER SCALING AND YOU CAN'T PURPOSEFULLY LOSE THE HOTEL TO GET OUT QUICKER
????????????????????
>MINA LOVE BITES EASIER TO PROC AND DOES MORE FUCKING DAMAGE ???????????????????

>>537948423
her kit is garbage, especially in pubs where nobody utilizes her launchpad

>>537956643
so when are they making it so you cant get out of every other ult

>>537957064
It's so funny that getting health stolen by siphon back triggers Healing tempo

ALL HAIL YOUR QUEEN

>>537957126
Mina and Doorman were genuinely weak and dogshit though they needed the buffs, Billy was actually fine though

Siphon bullets is basically better than lifesteal in most cases

>vindicta nerfs
are you retarded yoshi?

>>537956080
idk why they think anyone playing vyper is going to give a shit about the dagger when its the most whatever part of the kit next to her ult

Posting this again, first draft of a vyper rework I'll post on teh feedback forum, feedback appreciated if you have any ideas:

3 stamina

1 - Throw a dagger, dealing spirit damage and injecting the target with lethal venom. After a delay the venom triggers, dealing spirit damage. The damage is increased by the target missing health.
10s CD.
T1 - +35 Max venom damage
T2 - -4s CD
T3 - Lethal venom applies 40% healing reduction

2 - Lunge forward stabbing enemies with your knife and dealing spirit damage. This ability has the properties of a dash (meaning she can use it to perform a dashjump or slide afterwards, does not exhaust a dash as air option). Holds charges.
16s CD.
T1 - +damage
T2 - +1 charge
T3 - Increases damage dealt to hit targets by 15% for 4 seconds

3- Passive: You have increased slide distance, can slide up hills, and can turn faster while sliding. Active: Automatically slide at max speed while you're on the ground (Duration 5 seconds).
45s CD.
T1 - +20% slide distance
T2 - +3s duration.
T3 - +15% bullet and spirit resist while sliding.

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