Thread 11927083

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>11913064

Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etc
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/GENERAL GUIDE
https://rentry.org/vrbin

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQ
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0

== GAMES/RESOURCES ==
DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU

PortaDOOM:
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
HALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:
https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:
https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA

Assorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA

MIDI COLLECTIONS
https://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.zip
https://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQ
https://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009
https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
https://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/

MODDING RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37
https://realm667.com/

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==
THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/

OUR WADS/MODS
https://rentry.org/vrdepot

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE/WAD DATABASE
https://vrdoom.booru.org/
https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/

MULTIPLAYER SERVERS
US West: https://clovr.xyz/
CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/

Well FUCK. Sorry.
Uh, is there any janny left to clean up this accidental duplicate thread?

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
Duke It Out in /vr/
Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026
Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/qns3f9.zip
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
RC3: https://files.catbox.moe/aoucg0.7z

=== NEWS ===
[8-07] Heretic + Hexen remaster released... and it sucks
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3286930/Heretic__Hexen/

[8-06] Nugget Doom 4.4.0 Released
https://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases/tag/nugget-doom-4.4.0

[8-03] Urban Warfare, an MBF21 weapon mod
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/154541

[8-01] Ashes 2063: Death Zone confirmed
https://youtu.be/BpJ7AVXQ9gE

[8-01] DBP75: Patagonian Pilgrimage is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4082

[7-27] Doom 2 in Rural Only released
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154452

[7-27] PillowBlaster cometh...
https://youtu.be/PNsNWQ1lsis

[7-27] EDGE-Classic v1.50 update
https://github.com/edge-classic/EDGE-classic/releases/latest

[7-21] Fallout: Bakersfield TC, nearing completion
https://youtu.be/6e8WrmOibpM

[7-19] Quake 2 N64 Jam II released
https://moddb.com/mods/n64-jam-ii

[7-17] Cutmanmike releases campfire minimod
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=80685

[7-17] Cyber Nights released
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/150894

[7-16] Sunless Empire released
https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/154269

[7-12] Dead Sea Scrolls released
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4054

[7-08] Source code to Hexen Hack Editor
https://github.com/snemarch/HexenHackEditor/

[7-08] Colourful Hell updated to v1.04
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1261371

[7-06] Quake Injector v7 RC1 update
https://discuss.quaddicted.com/t/8079

[7-03] DBP74: Phantom Processing is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4043

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)

>>11927091
Well, fuck it, we'll see which one janny deletes.

>proper news
>hexen themed

Is there a list of all the things changed in the new Heretic+Hexen release?

>and it sucks
Really? It's going great for me. Loving playing through Heretic right now.

>>11927127
Vague descriptions of the options for now
>>11926731 >>11926741
>>11926792
>>11927017 >>11926867

>>11927127
my man it just released, nobody knows

>>11927083 (OP)
> CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE <
https://youtu.be/dqG36LzXDTs
Game: Doom2
MAP31: Wolfenstein
Author: Sandy Petersen
Category: NoMo

Beat DOOM2 MAP31 with NO MONSTERS in UNDER 33 SECONDS

Example demo for you only: 31.49 https://files.catbox.moe/6lv1sz.lmp
Records: https://dsdarchive.com/wads/doom2?category=NoMo&level=Map+31
Previous thread winner: >>11926379

>>11927154
I was wrong about the enemies not shooting fireballs. I'm retarded.

The map is complete by default though in Heretic. And in Hexen a huge X shows you exactly where you need to go by default.

>>11927174
>The map is complete by default though in Heretic.
No it's not, just got into E1M2. But it DOES have these markers.

>>11927181
What are those markers for? Heretic doesn't have any puzzles.

look at this fine fellow

>>11927186
Keys, since Heretic has a set key order it's literally fucking telling them where to go next at all times.

>>11927196
We're reaching modern AAA levels of hand-holding. Very lewd.

>>11927181
These releases always cater to the utmost casuals exclusively, see crosshair and weapon carousel for doom. Automap lines twice the size is probably for handheld console users too.

>>11927171
I think you should do a Heretic™ challenge to celabrate the remaster!

Repost from last thread:
>>11927060
>>11927102

so like...do they play quake at quakecon anymore? i just wanna see some sick flickshots and air rox i don't even care if i need to watch sigma QC

spent 2 hours crawling for a schedule and nothing for events since like covid, haven't watched the event in several years

>>11927208
They "joked" about it being DoomCon one year but it's basically all Bethesda and nuDoomslop.
Also call me a stick in the mud but live events like these have sucked complete dick since covid.

>>11927208
A bit at the venue but it's mostly just a marketing event for Bethesda and their associates.

>>11927204
nypa

>>11927181
Oh my god. I picked up a map scroll item that unveils the entire map. I'm fucking RETrded dude. I was wrong I'm sorry everyone i was wrong TWICE

Im just going to stop posting today.

>>11927208
>so like...do they play quake at quakecon anymore?
no, might as well call it bethesdacon at this point

>>11927216
>frogposter is retarded
Many such cases!

A real bethesdacon would be about toddrym.

>>11927212
>>11927213
so they still have the BYOC but no invitational? that blows. i really liked the triathalons where they had to play all 3 quakes (sorry, quake live is just a netcode and q3 balance patch, fight me)

>>11927220
I knew his original post was bullshit just from his image choice.
I hope the Hexen cutscenes get reupped in high quality soon.

You know, if they're going to have crosshairs by default in these re-releases the least they could do is spice them up a bit.
Like have them animate as you shoot, or make them thematically change shape depending on the weapon.
Literally anything more than 4 green dots... who thought that was a good idea?

>>11927213
should have attached a relevant image

even if quakecon is ass now hopefully there will be some dank memes when skyrim hyper excellent edition or whatever comes out i love todd interviews

>>11927171
>Beat DOOM2 MAP31 with NO MONSTERS in UNDER 33 SECONDS
That's such a fucking boring challenge.

>>11927190
OH SHIT, THERE'S A VAULT OF RAVEN BETA CONTENT? GIMMEGIMMEGIMME!

>>11927225
They really don't have a good sense of what to fix up and what to leave as is, often it's just a case of what's available to them.

Anybody remember that Borrowhelen game that all of /doom/ was seething about? Apparently it has achievements and it's a GZDoom game, I'm wondering how they did it. Is there like a prefab out there for this, or does every GZDoom standalone game have their own solution for Steamworks integration?

>>11927250
Nobody was seething about Borrow Helen.

>>11927208
It's funny cus Bethesda/MS have Fallout MMO and Elder Scrolls MMO panels every year at Quakecon but they won't have any marketing or panels for Halo lol

A fps at a FPS con? Nah. So anywhere lets chitchat about Fallout 76 for a few hours.

>>11927225
>or make them thematically change shape depending on the weapon.
Admittedly, if they did this, the green dots would be fitting for the ethereal crossbow.

>>11927258
They'd rather have another monstrosity like the Commander Keen mobile game.

>>11927251
That's not true, the author of it seethed that nobody bought it.

>>11927251
Nah there was a lot going on for a while about it using AI crap.

>>11927190
Is there anything new (old) for Hexen?

>>11927272
No there wasn't.

>>11927272
if you don't mind me asking, how do you get away with selling open source software? wouldn't the proper course of action to get the original source code from id and write what you need yourself? that kinda pisses me off more than anything

i once shot id an email in 2000s when i was an active compsci student for how much it would be to license the quake 1 engine when it was open sourced and they shot me back a figure of $8k, pretty reasonable number for a small business but not a broke college student

q3 license was still a few million at the time though

>>11927279
>how do you get away with selling open source software?
It's written into the licenses that as long as you're not selling copyrighted content it's fine, same as to why JizzyDoom is used in almost all of the commercial shit.

>>11927250
So uh... Is anyone here going to actually answer the question I asked instead of getting fixated on the one game I namedropped and ranting about it?

>>11927284
i'd be way more interested in playing a retro quakelike than a retro doomlike, there's way more you can do with 3d map environements and the engine supports billboarding sprites like doom does so you don't need to do super low poly jank with tons of monsters to frag

>>11927271
It's such a boring challenge that I did something more fun instead, MAP31 played on Nightmare.
https://files.catbox.moe/5h2jst.lmp

>>11927297
Wrath was a thing, it didn't do so well.

>>11927083 (OP)
Thank god they're making new campaigns. But I'd laugh if they were switch hunts all over again.

I always hear idiot youtubers shit on the time bomb and call it useless; I've always found it a dynamic and fun little subweapon

>>11927305
Cope. I chose 33 seconds because it's easy! You need to stop complaining every time you can't beat a challenge

>>11927274
There's a bit. I have a feeling there's more stuffed into the iwads like they did with Doom+Doom II

>>11927336
>>11927274
The Afrit, Reiver and Pig are Hexen monsters.

>>11927331
I don't complain at every challenge, in fact I've failed some of them and that's just how it is, I wasn't good or/and dedicated enough.

My only complaint here is that no monsters is fucking boring. I can record a demo for you if you want though.

>>11927326
It's the old "I don't know how to use these effectively so they suck" shit, fuckers are handy.

>>11927336
That's metal. Dude, upload the .wad files for us to plunde, you can use catbox.

>>11927341
I am intentionally trying something different to introduce you to a new aspect of Doom you maybe never tried before - at least try the grind before you tell me I fucked up. You will need to use Home key to reset the level, load the game without music, have your own music playing, and most importantly learn how to SR50! Sub-33 should be attainable after a short grind. I tried to go as low as possible to give that anon who always beats my times something to do, and I got a 31.49

The one good thing about Quake Champions having killed off Arena Shooters is that we're not likely see a rerelease of Q3 using KexSlop instead of just idTech3.

>>11927171
You get 34 seconds from me, I have no interest in trying to get close to a world record (31), for such a dull challenge.
https://files.catbox.moe/6je5uu.lmp

You know, that one Valiant map with fast monsters was a pain, and I gave up close to the end, but I also still had fun with that one, even if roided turbo pinkies didn't even feel fair.

>>11927237
Agree, it's a tad early to resort to iwads yet. We still have scythe, sunlust and junkfood.wad to fully grind through. I personally recommend DBPs, there's so many of them and I love them all equally.

>>11927370
And how could I forget about the one and only skillsaw. Good one anon.

>>11927171
>>11927359
Anyways, I'm on keyboard so no SR50s from me. I feel me passing doors is just about right in timely, so this is the best second's amount I could shave off.

my eyecandy bias is making me prefer the redux levels over the originals.

>>11927265
>Commander Keen mobile game
Whatever happened to THAT?

>>11927383
I'm not even opposed to iwad challenges, we started this with just plain an UVMax of Go 2 It, and that was just fine by me!
These challenges though feel like I'm being thrown something where I have to think on my feet and navigate some tough combat, and sometimes that's too tough of a challenge for me, but nomo means no fighting at all, just go to the exit.

>>11927405
Everyone thought it looked shit and it was quietly cancelled I think.

>>11927405
I think it got a silent, test soft launch in Australia or somewhere and then it got pulled, the sites and domains expired and they went silent about it forever.

>>11927405
Everyone acted like it was a total disgrace to the name commander keen, a game no one has played or thought about in 30+ years.

>>11927410
Why straya?

>>11927415
I dunno, seems to be seen as a place to trial shit like that, I think the Dungeon Keeper Mobile game and Mighty Doom got similar early releases there to see if shit would get accepted.

>>11927415
Mobile games tend to get soft/test launches in countries like Australia or New Zealand just to work out any bugs or issues.

>"use" on E by default
>all "enhancements" enabled by default and hidden behind a tiny tooltip hotkey in a corner
>can't use cosmetic level changes without "less obscure progression"
>"enhanced enemies" is some kind of april 1st joke
>even the basic fucking visuals are glitching (see right border)

>>11927405
Commander Keen is a meme that only exists in peoples minds thanks to dopefish being in every ID game and eventually so many other titles as well. And the people who tried to reboot it into something didn't get that memo.

Does Heretic+Hexen have the modern coop option?

>>11927414
>acted like
Because it was.

>>11927414
>a game no one has played or thought about in 30+ years.
Aren't you forgetting someone?

>>11927426
Graf Zahl is looking on with envy.

>>11927370
That's a misrepresentation. The goal was under 33, not 31. You achieved a 34 while hitting every door on the way out, and >>11927396 beat the challenge without any SR50, so the challenge is nowhere near a world record, not even the 31 is.
>>11927407
The Valiant map04 UV-Fast was the first one.
Did you pick the challenge last map? You know, I hated that map, but I submitted the fastest demo for it, out of good faith, instead of complaining

>>11927443
>Did you pick the challenge last map?
I have never picked any challenge.

>>11927083 (OP)
If that Halloween project will be brought back shouldn't someone bring back the guidelines too?
Also does anyone remember an edit of Peter Steele with his dick out edited to make him look like Caleb holding a dynamite?

>>11927426
What does the less obscure progression even do? I'm assuming it was just the keys showing up in the automap

>>11927250
>>11927287
Selaco also does and they probably use something like this for it
https://github.com/icculus/steamshim

>>11927287
There's one guy around here who may fill you in, hope he notices you.

>>11927487
https://files.catbox.moe/kd1dt0.7z

>>11927508
Holy shit, I wasn't even being serious but thanks.

So do we have some more details about the changed weapons between Heretic and Hexen? All I know is there's a new wand in Heretic that's some kinda fucked up railgun, and Parias has a shield to block/parry shit.
I actually welcome the addition for Parias. The mace was a pretty basic weapon.

>>11927523
The enhancements are from The Wayfarer's Tome mod, so it should be most if not all of these changes.

>>11927530
>The Wayfarer's Tome
Ah, from the author of such quoted perls as: "lesbian macroslaughter". First in line to fawn over doom commnuity "chicks" in his written nominations too. I may check out the mod.

>>11927530
>>11927592
Raven didn't deserve this

>>11927508
that's all?

>>11927456
If you didn't even submit a demo last thread, then don't complain. The challenge two threads ago got 2 responses. Last thread challenge got 1 response, until I posted a demo at the last minute. Participation is dwindling, UV-Maxes got stale, so I tried something different. If I don't like a challenge, I don't complain, I just don't participate.
>>11927383
>Good one anon.
Th-the original Valiant map04 UV-Fast challenge was m-my idea...

>>11927606
There's a new episode for Heretic with new enemies and another one for Hexen, and then there's the other stuff that they added to the full package. What else did you want?

>>11927592
Hold on, I just finished reading that.
FAAAAAAAAAAAAGGOT

>>11927504
I have no idea.
REKKR has no achievements. Selaco has in-game achievements but iirc they're not tied to Steam's API.
That's all I know. I think there is a customizable achievement GZDoom mod out there people can use, but it doesn't integrate with steam.

>>11927592
I didn't know that. I never knew that. You're telling me for the first time.

>>11927404
Post some comparison between original & redux if you can

>>11927617
>Selaco has in-game achievements but iirc they're not tied to Steam's API.
https://steamcommunity.com/stats/1592280/achievements/

>>11927083 (OP)
This has nothing to do with retro FPS games, but here's a couple more /vr/ variants on this maymay

>>11927508
That's a LOT of dolphin porn

>>11927318
I liked it, but it wore thin. Lacks level progression. Every map sorta feels the same, even if they are beautiful. Models and textures are great.

>>11927630
Oh see, what the fuck do I know. I thought they were just in game. Maybe that was the plan at some point.
I don't track achievements. The only ones I've cared about were fun ones like getting the gnome into space in HL2. Don't care about shooting 25 death hoppers in level 3 or whatever.
Also I've only played the demo of Selaco. Waiting for it to leave early access.

>>11927617
DRLAX does achievements, most of the time it works.

HUH? They rereleased Hexen and Heretic? And with new episodes? What the actual fuck? Am I tripping?

>>11927685
huh
yes
yes
fuck
maybe

Can I get a qrd on Quake 2 PC vs PSX vs N64

So do source ports need to be updated to load the new Heretic and Hexen expansions properly? Or are there some obscure files somewhere in the Steam download that I need to pass to the "-file" option? Just "gzdoom -iwad heretic.wad -file heretic_fr.wad" is only half-working.
I was hoping they'd "just work" because I'm pretty sure Legacy of Rust did.

>>11927610
I do actually really like skillsaw, he fullfils my doom popcorn cravings much more than anyone else could. That's the one mapper I don't mind being no contrarian about, he's above the salt with his deft playdesign. Fairly fine pick for a challenge too, with just enough spice to keep it original and entertaining.

>>11927614
>I just finished reading that
Impressive

>>11927621
Sorry you had to be subjected to the same blight my mind suffered from anon

>>11927698
It looks like the new assets are in "Common.kpf" (just a ZIP as far as I can tell). At least, I see the missing title backgrounds in there. So it seems source port compatibility was broken so that Heretic and Hexen assets could be shared in a """common""" archive, which actually has Heretic and Hexen things largely separated from each other ("sounds_heretic", "sounds_hexen", etc.) despite the name.

>>11927713
Unfortunate.

>>11927508
What port should I use to run them?

>>11927727
None. Readme mentions something in the manner of EXDEFS, so general compatibility is most likely broken.

>>11927735
Sad but not unheard of. Thanks for confirming.

>>11927508
>no resources

>>11927738
Yeah, someone post the Raven vault.

>>11927720
What port is this

>>11927747
BuildGDX

>>11927696
Play them yourself and form your own opinions. To me, the n64 and ps1 versions are pretty neat little "amusement park ride" versions of the PC version.

>>11927720
I could be full of shit about "Common.kpf" having the data that source ports would need, but it does have title background images in it, and none of the included WADs (pictured) seem to fill in what GZDoom is failing to load from just "... -file heretic_fr.wad" and "... -file hexen_vog.wad".
The "_ex" WADs seem to be the updated levels (>>11927404) and I assume the "_mus_" WADs are music.

>>11927696
Playstation is mostly worse version of PC
N64 has different levels

I hope we'll finally get Hexen 2's expansion and Heretic 2 re-released in the future.

>>11927769
There was an anon saying earlier that some of the new assets are in the base Heretic and Hexen wads themselves.

Well you get the re-release for free if you own the original games like with Doom so I can't complain
This is clearly meant for new and console players so this is an easy convenient way for them to play the games
It sure is better than the old console ports of Hexen

So when will Nightdive remaster Witchaven and Tekwar?

>>11927737
>Advanced engine needed : Limit-removing + UMAPINFO; also requires support for EXDEFS or another method for defining the new monsters+weapons. For best results, play on the official port with all enhanced gameplay options enabled!
They're probably expecting other ports to pick off from this, same as with kexdoom. Yet I can't think of any candidate other than gzdoom with graf who mostly laid off his coding activity.

>>11927775
Probably correct, because the "heretic.wad" and "hexen.wad" in the Steam game's folder are larger than the ones I already had. But I already figured the included WADs wouldn't be the same as the originals, so I did tell GZDoom to load the "heretic.wad" from that folder instead of the usual search path. It still didn't work, unless I managed to fuck that up somehow.

>>11927802
Not to mention, why would it ever need some exdefs when it already has zscript.

>>11927806 (Me)
>It still didn't work
To clarify, I just mean the expansion didn't fully work. And it looks like >>11927802 is the reason.

>>11927275
Yes there was.

>>11927769
Unrelated but why not use a launcher? QDZL works on freedom OS.

Does Heretic+Hexen have the modern coop option?

>>11927794
When they're desperate but not desperate enough to remake this.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/426010/Womb_Room/

>>11927098
You have to be the most spiteful faggot and retard who hates playing videogames to claim that the hexen and heretic remasters suck.
But then its this general these days where no one plays anything at all and samefaggotry reigns supreme.

Tried getting into Hexen like 4 fucking times ever since it came out and each time I just get bored and quit before getting to the end. Maybe I'll finally beat it for once.

>>11927840
If I get back into mods then I might use one, but for now, all I have installed are the base Doom engine games and their official expansions (or at least the ones that already work). It was easy enough just to make a menu shortcut for each one of those, so I rarely actually run "gzdoom -iwad ... -file ... ..." from the command line.

>>11927837
>>11927839
>>11927843
Thanks anon. Literally soulless holy shit

>>11927843
E1M9, E1M6, E2M3, E2M4... from the benefit of soo talented audio-visual artists there were actually plenty of memorable areas in this game. Not sure I would call such a liberal overhaul "definitive" though.

>>11927863
Play it coop with a friend or two.

>>11927863
I managed to beat Hexen while occasionally using a guide but the expansion with constantly respawning enemies was unbearable

>>11927843
This one sucks. They didn't try, they just replaced it wholesale.

>>11927861
So who's the bigger retard, >>11927074 OP for rushing the news post or this one? Asking the expert on chanologics here.

>>11927861
I don't get the hate bandwagon on Nightdive here. Some of their remasters are the best versions of their games (ROTT, System Shock 2, Quake 2) or others are just good/fine as a starting point for casuals (Doom, Quake). I think the only criticisms are that after a couple patches they're pretty much done with a game since they need to move onto the next project, which is a shame but makes sense. I think the only outright bad jobs they've done were Blade Runner and Blood.

>>11927906
If i was the janitor i would nuke both threads and ban the two sharteens for splitting it for a month.

>>11927907
It is always fucking tourists, and in some cases, slipseer fags who hates that Q1 got the shit port while everything else got better treatment and a Vault.

some people want everything to be unchanged so that new biews to the games can suffer the same way they did, up and down 20 miles in the snow. I guess. I mean, it's a new era, hopefully some young blood can get more into the series and enjoy the things we did when we were young. I'm slightly drunk I had some whiskey earlier. Also Batandy posted a twitter post about wanting sprites for NPC characters for the next Golden Souls so if you wanna design some characters for free then get to it

>>11927907
I haven't tried Fresh Supply, what's wrong with it?

>>11927907
I feel like the worst of the hate for nightdive was when System Shock remake was still in development.

>>11927907
Their Dark Forces remaster was decent, but overpriced and redundant when you can just use the force engine

Their Turok remasters are the best way to play the games now

>>11927918
IIRC game bugs and behaviors that weren't fixed. I think most got patched but it's still a subpar way to play Blood.

>>11927931
a fair bit didn't and despite being owned by Atari now, they still won't go back and fix it, much like how ID24 is a year in and it'll never get touched.

They kick something out the door, give it a few months of patches and then they move the fuck on regardless of the state it's left in.

>>11927907
>I think the only outright bad jobs they've done were Blade Runner and Blood.
>Blood
That's pretty much 100% Atari's fault for releasing the whole thing unfinished (as anything related to them)

>>11927918
Fresh Supply was Atari's own fault, like being jackasses over Nightdive with the damn source code while being super bitches over it.
Same bullshit happened with Duke 3d since World Tour is garbage while Megatron Edition was literally deleted out of pure bullshit.

it seems that every Build Engine game is fated to suffer a shit fate while idtech gets the good care and praise.
Minus Quake 1 because Q1 Community is a cesspit

>>11927927
SS Remake was a curious case because the retards who were developing earlier hated the original game, wanted unity engine, and were more preoccupied in making it "accessible" for morons than make a proper remake and failing all of the kickstarter goals, then they were kicked out and nightdive's own took over and remade the game from scratch to be a proper remake and keeping what make System Shock a great game.

>>11927930
Dark Forces is overpriced because fucking Disney, the good news is that the game REALLY got a renaissance thanks to Lucius making the entire reverse engineering easy to mod and to make tools for it.

I still hope that JKDF2 gets a proper treatment too, that game is in desperate need of one, at least i hope that George kept the original archives and src safe at the ranch as he did for Dark Forces and all of the Lucas Arts SW stuff.

>>11927943
https://twitch.tv/videos/2527376003?t=0h51m14s
>this game will never ever EVER be made

>>11927943
>>11927907
I played blood fresh supply like a year ago and it was just fine. The bugs are mostly patched as far as I could tell. Still doesn't excuse shitty launch state but it's worth a buy I think, if you don't already own it.

>>11927913
>If i was the janitor
I'm sure they will pick up on your applications someday, best of luck

>>11927592
>I CANT GIVE YOU ANY THING was given an honorable mention at the 2023 Cacowards.

>>11927958
>and nightdive's own took over and remade the game from scratch
They still kept a lot of the stupid shit like changing the plot when that was the one thing that was fine.

>>11927958
>keeping what make System Shock a great game.
didn't keep the unique interface and gameplay around it, turning it into generic fps. I'm so conflicted about SS Remake because it's both good and bad, does so much for that game but also missed the point in many aspects.
Is System Shock discussion good here? What you hardcore doomers think of 1st game, original or enhanced

>>11928000
EE has some good QOL, but its been years since i touched it.

>>11927907
because being perpetually miserable is a personality trait for some in order to stand out in a crowd.
The only bad release was Blood, and that was fixed within a week of its release, all the way back in 2019.

>>11928000
Enhanced is a decent enough midground, sorts a lot of the issues the original has while keeping the game feeling the same.

>>11928008
>Blood was fixed
I remember reading a huge fuckin thread about all bugs and inconsistencies that are only in Fresh Supply and will never be fixed. Wish I could find it because I wanted to reply with it to show how wrong your statement is

>>11927958
>Dark Forces is overpriced because fucking Disney
I got the Dark Forces in a Humble Bundle back in 2024, along System Shock remake, Prey and Crysis Remasters for $18. And before that I got another Nightdive specific bundle for $20 that had Powerslave, Rise of the Triad, Forsaken, and Turok 3 along with dupe keys for Blood, Turok 1-2, Doom 64 and SiN Gold.
Just be on the look out for those to avoid paying full price.

>>11928025
The most glaring issues were fixed.

>>11928040
Were they? I know spray can is still fucked, that's the biggest one I know

>>11928025
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1644292444647662838

>>11928000
>didn't keep the unique interface and gameplay around it
I can't really imagine that working in the remake, personally. The original interface and controls is a common reason why theres many people who have barely touched the first game and only completed the sequel.

>>11928051
Yeah that's the one wtf, I knew it was on steam but didn't try hard enough I guess. It's a huge list damn

>>11928051
Anyone remember spacemarinescum/strawberryhitscan/doomchan/fpscarol/whatever other username she had? Did she ever make beefcake art of Caleb? Asking for a friend.

>>11927918
It's fine.

>>11927696
N64 has a brooding atmosphere and unique soundtrack. A must play imho.

>>11927083 (OP)
Thread soundtrack: https://youtu.be/ivsuMJLhYI8

>>11927171
2-segment run (tas) in 31.74 https://files.catbox.moe/ucz7c4.lmp

>>11927943
This is a myth and Nightdive themselves will tell you that they themselves thought it was unnecessary to do more work on Blood.

>>11928071
I do remember her.

>>11928225
This, they've said something to the same effect for a lot of games they've left in a not great state too.

>>11928071
I forget if it was her or not but I know for sure somebody definitely did.

>>11927907
I'll give you ROTT, and I think Doom 64 is a good port which they did a great new episode for, but regular Doom was them replacing a perfectly good port with a new one that is buggy and unfinished, and them introducing a supposed new format standard, which they STILL HAVEN'T FUCKING FINISHED, AND ARE NOW PUBLISHING THIS INSTEAD OF COMPLETING IT.

Fresh Supply is playable, but there's lots of problems left which they simply refuse to fix because THEY think it's unnecessary.

>>11928251
>and them introducing a supposed new format standard, which they STILL HAVEN'T FUCKING FINISHED, AND ARE NOW PUBLISHING THIS INSTEAD OF COMPLETING IT.
I forgot it's been a year since ID24 was going to be finished "soon".

>>11927171
32.89 https://files.catbox.moe/hf4srk.lmp
got lucky

>>11927592
Reminds me of that one painting I once saw being sold on a marketplace, allegedly done with menstrual fluids
Anyway, this reads like some nutty satire, neither wad or painting stories must be real

>>11928254
What happened to the lighting and shadows? Didn't Heretic/Hexen have similar lighting system what Doom had? Looks very bland.
Or is my memory wrong again???

>>11928326
Anon... Doom's "lighting" is independently lit sectors with their own light values. There are no "shadows" that a mapper didn't personally place.

>>11928353
...Evidently Chickentown.

>>11927592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM0g7kIbopE

>>11927205
That's cooked.
I'm a Fighterfriend but I was totally ignorant that the shards worked like this.
Mage was my least favorite. I bet this is all that I was missing.

>>11927326
>>11927342
The Curse of D'Sparil set on skill 4 can teach any shitter the worth of these things.
They're like having an explosive SSG in your back pocket.

>>11927471
Do you know if they used this exact thing? I'm not a particularly code savvy person and anything related to real code is beyond my expertise. I was hoping there'd be a more readymade solution but I guess this isn't a very common problem in GZDoom for that to happen.

I've seen easily 10 people on steam forums and the nightdive discord get stuck on the level end screen and not know how to progress in heretic.

(You press open to continue)

This is who Devs pander to these days.

>>11927907
A lot of their hate comes from the fact most of their games have existing source ports that are just above and beyond with options and customising that ND will ever do.

Youll never seen people bitching about the Turok games outside of maybe some slight level changes. Because those are THE way to play Turok 1/2/3 as there's no source ports.

>>11927774
It will only happen on august of any given year. So if not August 2026 then August 2027 or August 2028. How depressing.

Quake 3, Quake 4, any of the Wolfenstein games could all come first. So imagine Heretic 2 wasn't until 2029 or 2030

>>11927907
>>11927861
i don't know about the other games (outside of blood) but in the case of doom, quake and now heretic i think it's just sour grapes from anyone who didn't buy a steam or GOG release since those are basically free upgrades for those people.

like if you're a hardcore fan you likely have these games already and a sourceport of choice to play them on modern PCs so the only thing you're really missing out on is the the new episode or campaign that ends up getting a ported over to sourceports in a week or two.

>>11928540
>fantastic imps
>retarded faggot

Should have been Quake 3 remaster. Heretic and Hexen are just glorified Doom TCs.

>>11928498
>any of the Wolfenstein games
Wolf '09 WILL return to Steam.

>>11928540
>boomer megawad
>sunlust posting
>yeah remember original
>need cool big update
>caleb stupid

>>11927837
>>11927839
>>11927843
I immediately recognised something familiar and checked
Of course these improvements were made by Xaser:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133275-wip-sacrilege-heretic-remix-project

>>11928553
Quake Live is such a horrible piece of shit, so sterile. Q3A has more soul. I don't even understand why QL is even a thing in the first place...

>>11928615
>"soul" meme
For when you want to claim something is good but can't actually come up with any reasons.

>>11928638
Q3A looks and plays better. QL is a f2p browser game.

I paid nothing for this anyway, but existence justified by the Vault alone. This is so cool. How did they manage to hold onto all this for so long?
But, I feel like I've walked in on my parents having sex.
His helmet guy energy - it's over...

>>11928645
AHHHHH put it back on!

>>11928640
it hasn't been a browser game or f2p for years now man

>>11928645
>How did they manage to hold onto all this for so long?
Most game studios by the mid 90s had gotten the idea that you store everything, even if just for covering your asses legally with stuff.

>>11928653
Okay, Daddy.

Has anybody played through the new episodes yet, or is everybody working through the Enhanced maps?

>>11928615
>I don't even understand why QL is even a thing in the first place...
An attempt to stoke interest in Quake by making it a free browser game, with the idea of breaking iD back into the MP space and competing with UT3 (Black Edition having released the previous year) without having to do shit in the way of real development work.

>>11927530
Really? Was it mentioned somewhere?

>>11928707
Not strictly but the developer is in the credits for the rerelease, as are others who have fed stuff into it, and it was painfully obvious to anons who had ran the mod.

>>11927907
I'd probably respect them more if they didn't release bugged shit on day 1 and cry that "we didn't have the time stop criticising meeeee" when they get called out on it.

>>11928640
>>11928615
Anybody still wants to play q3a at 18:00+0 today?

>>11928614
Heretic famously has lackluster maps that do not live up to the standards set by masterpieces like E3M7, MAP12 and MAP21.

>>11928645
So Barry is basically Conan. Any of Parias and Daedolon?

>>11928516
>sour grapes
Good lord. Yeah, it's fucking "sour grapes" over products which I actually sometimes bought.

>>11928716
This. Hell, I fucking like their Doom 64 port, it really is great, but they never did fix the remaining bugs.
Nightdive sometimes does cool things (ROTT is another), but they hate doing a thorough job.

>>11928871
ROTT was the work of a bunch of different studios, where they were pretty much the last ones in the line and somehow got to take the credit.

>>11928486
Yeah, or for Rise Of The Triad. ROTT had dogshit for sourceports for the longest time, so Nightdive's release really was a genuine breath of fresh air, nobody else was doing it, and most likely never would.

>>11928878
Oh, then I'll credit them a lot less for that. Between Apogee/3DRealms and Nightdive, who else worked on it, do you know any details on who did what?

>>11927251
id borrow helen for a bit if you know what i mean

>>11927523
i kinda like a the parry

>>11928848
Here you go.
Enjoy Parias as played by the Avatar in the top left.

Shillmanlives mentioned that some scripts in the new Hexen episode are broken and he had to noclip to progress lmao

>>11925254
>Summer of Sunlust
FRIDAY AUGUST 8 - Map03: Forgotten Shrine
Very good for a short, punchy, low-to-mid difficulty level. The first two maps felt like a mesh of techbase and castle themes. This is the first map so far to have what looks like a coherent theme to me, a spoopy castle built on rock, and the traps are getting tougher and more numerous

>>11927958
Megaton Edition was delisted because 3DRealms didn't actually own the full rights to the Sunstorm expansions, they just assumed they did and learned later, oh shit, no they didn't.

Now, that doesn't mean that doesn't still suck, but that's a matter of law and ownership.

>>11927961
>Jared has to work with that faggot from nu-Apogee after being harassed by him from because Jared needs to feed his family somehow
That's so fucking sad

>>11928915
Can't write ACS properly award

>>11928871
>Hell, I fucking like their Doom 64 por
That was actually my first nightdive experience and it soured me pretty badly. Gave me motion sickness which no other game has done before or since. Went back to Doom 64 Absolution or whatever its called and had a much better time revisiting the game.

Need some trivia from fellow retards here.
What's the deal with music in Heretic + Hexen? Why the fuck FM Synth is so fucking quiet? Is "Original" option a OPL rendition of the music (sounds kinda like Sound Blaster, I feel like)? Why they didn't include the official CD version of Hexen OST as well?

>>11928957
Oh, you like Doom 64, huh? Well, have all the Doom 64 in the world! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-d64ifier

>>11928479
>(You press open to continue)
Because Nightdive rebinded it from the biggest fucking button on a keyboard to an arbitrary little button somewhere in the middle of a keyboard. Must. Follow. The. Standards. Press. E. To. Use.
These dumb players have every right to complain.

>>11928981
>These dumb players have every right to complain.
No they fucking don't, the whole point of setting input defaults to modern standards is so that everybody already knows the key bindings. Nobody under the age of 35 is going to try and use space to interact. Especially since Hexen's in the package and that has jumping, which everybody will expect to be Space.
Not to mention that they have already had to use that button to reach any given level change.

>>11928268
How long did it take? Another anon pointed out that you can beat the challenge without any SR50, which made me think the target of sub-33 was too easy, but I only achieved ONE sub-32 in all my grinding so sub-32 would have been too hard

>>11929003
>Nobody under the age of 35 is going to try and use space to interact.
Nobody under the age of 35 is going to use E button to close the intermission screen either.
>everybody already knows the key bindings
Name 5 other games where you have to use damn E to close stats screen.

>>11929010
What do you think the "open" key is? You're already using it to open doors.

>>11929010
How hard it is to try every key that you know works, Anon? Seriously? I'm a zoomer and I managed to figure out on how to proceed with the intermission screen in these games on my own when I was like 12.

>>11929014
Yes, because it's logical, and that would be a 100% logical thing for Nightdive to do if this button wasn't also responsible for closing the stats screen.
All these retard had to do was put a single (one, uno, oдин) tester to finish a single map and see his reaction. And since you already changed the default bindings, then just add a special "space can close intermission regardless of key binds" condition which would be like 2 lines of the code.
But as we all know (see previous decade of Nightdive remasters) they never test their games before the release, only after.

>>11929023
I agree that these players are still dumb but YOU'RE RELEASING A GAME IN 2025 HOLY SHIT, they players ARE dumb, it's expected, there's NO way around it. And not just a game, but the remaster of an old game that can be played perfectly fine if you know what you're doing, it was made so the new (dumb) players could play it, it's the most basic target market research that even the most purple haired diversity hire should be able to figure out.

>>11929031
Bro, have you ever played any Doom engine game? You always advance the intermission with whatever the use key is bound to.

>>11929031
>that would be a 100% logical thing for Nightdive to do if this button wasn't also responsible for closing the stats screen.
>if this button wasn't also responsible for closing the stats screen.
No, that's also completely logical. You interact with the stats screen to close it. You push the interact button to interact with it. Modern audiences expect the interact button to be E.

Why are you so hung up on it must be space? For games with end-of-level stats screens, if they don't respond to the interact command they'll respond to anything. These people are more likely to be trying to click to dismiss the screen than using space.

>>11929003
>No they fucking don't
Everyone has a right to complain, even if they're a dipshit. What the fuck are you smoking?
>Nobody under the age of 35 is going to try and use space to interact.
I'm 34 and use the space bar to interact. What now, faggot?

>>11929003
I'm 33 and I've long used the spacebar for interact when playing with a keyboard.

>>11927205
>>11927060
Hard to tell right now if they're as consistent, but they do seem to be doing more damage with the shards themselves.
I also thought this piece of ice blocking the way out was supposed to go back down eventually.

I can't believe I share a board with people who think it's totally okay to play a PC game on default controls.

Yeah.

>>11929053
>Everyone has a right to complain
I think you need to practise your English more. "Every right to" does not refer to having a legal right to do something, it means to be fully entitled to, such that nobody would question your justification. If people respond to your complaint with "are you retarded?" then they do not think you have every right to complain.

While on the subject of Heretic...
https://files.catbox.moe/8w85ul.midi

>>11929104
>https://files.catbox.moe/8w85ul.midi
empty file
anon it's happening 3d time already you need to investigate

>>11929006
195 attempts (really only like 30 of them reached the finish)
it's just stupid finger rng so just needed to get lucky
i'm not that good at sr50ing

Has anyone tested HUMP in it yet?

>>11928479
>I've seen easily 10 people on steam forums and the nightdive discord get stuck on the level end screen and not know how to progress in heretic.
>(You press open to continue)
>This is who Devs pander to these days.
Like pottery.

>>11928917
beautiful level
I love the silent dance part but it always makes me nervous. I also just understood that revs can't cross the lava gap in the last fight so it's much easier than i previously thought, you can just camp in the corner.

>>11929221
oh forgot demo https://files.catbox.moe/e8nt31.lmp

>>11929178
>it's just stupid finger rng
there couldn't possibly be any less rng lol

https://nitter.poast.org/playmorepromode/status/1952925462709100850
https://nitter.poast.org/playmorepromode/status/1953665069700587895
what the fuck does this mean

>>11929235
probably another imminent failure quake clone like reflex and diabotical

>>11928479
Nobody associate "next screen"/"skip" button with use. It's big space bar or mouse click.

>>11929169
What the fuck? I get the same filename if I upload it again, and it shows it as 32kb on the upload end.

Try this one:
https://files.catbox.moe/pdfw2f.mid

>>11929263
Create an archive, dingus.

Playing Heretic for the first time through this remaster. Were the maps built with no weapons in mind, similar to pistol starts in Doom?

>>11929282
This should be the file I tried uploading before:
https://files.catbox.moe/7dp3br.zip

>>11928479
>I've seen easily 10 people on steam forums and the nightdive discord get stuck on the level end screen and not know how to progress in heretic.

I know how to solve that problem...

Everytime I make it to Downtown in Doom 2 I have barely any fucking ammo

>>11929303
The maps were balanced around starting with a pistol with 50 bullets. I genuinely don't get how you could run out of ammo playing continuously unless you regularly empty your guns on walls

>>11928707
In this video.
https://youtu.be/pANcjjPnzgw

>>11929314
idk maybe I’m bad

>>11929303
i can understand running low on rox and cells but how do you run out of shells

>>11929324
How are you playing it, on PC, console, phone, etc?

>>11929324
Not sure what to tell you, try to go for more shots that you're certain will land. If you don't care about cheating, IDFA gives full ammo and guns

>>11929328
Steam Deck

>>11929332
If it's your first time, when skill setting are you going through?

How's the new Hexen episode?

>>11929338
>when skill setting are you going through?
*what skill setting

>>11929303
how

Anyone got the hot beta content for Heretic and Hexen?

I beat Heretic yesterday.
It's pretty much "Doom: Oops! All Projectiles — Dark Fantasy Edition," but I really enjoyed it. At first, I thought the Ultra-Violence difficulty (or "Thou Art a Smite-Meister") was too easy, but as soon as I got to the fourth episode, things started to get tricky, especially the first few maps of episodes four and five because you don't have much ammo. The enemies are a bit generic, but cool. The only truly unique designs are the Sabreclaws and the Iron Liches. On the other hand, Maulotaurs are really cool to fight. They're quite strong and have many different attacks, some of which are extremely deadly. Also, I loved the maps. Most of them are quite colorful yet dark — probably the most colorful retro FPS, followed by Shadow Warrior — and each one has great designs with many traps. The game really loves to open secret doors and throw a bunch of Disciples of D'Sparil at you. The Gargoyles and Fire Gargoyles are quite annoying, but whatever. The only thing I miss is a weapon like the BFG that can help me deal with large amounts of enemies. I'm tempted to do a "wand starting" run in "Black Plague Possesses Thee" mode.
Out of curiosity, I searched Desuarchive to see what has been said about this game on /vr/, but I found very few posts. Isn't it popular around here?

>>11929387
Fuck! I just realized they released new episodes for Heretic and Hexen, and now everyone is talking about them.

Gentleman, I want to play some Half Life 1 campaign mods, recommend me some. Preferably close to the original goldsource engine's feel, so without HD models or textures. I've already played HL:Caged and They Hunger.

Sigil got an update, no idea what's been added but I figured it was worth posting.
https://romero.com/sigil

>>11929387
Personally, I just feel it is a lesser doom and clearly derivative of it. While it still is a great game, it doesn't have the balls to do something like whan Hexen did which makes it overall less memorable and more "doom with magic". I also find sabreclaws to be one of the lamer enemies in heretic, since they're just sponges most of the encounters. I really like the iron lich and maulotaur, but I guess everyone does.

>>11929387
>re color
Arguably more colorful than Hexen, not sure how much "color" I remember Shadow Warrior's main campaign to have, but I think my "most colorful FPS campaign" award currently goes to Unreal. It's honestly a little bit nuts.

>>11929387
Heretic and Hexen have their fans, but they were never as big as Doom and Quake. People who like Heretic don't all necessarily like Hexen, as the gameplay and level design is a lot less like Doom.

If you really like the old Eternal Doom series though, you might actually like Hexen, which paints the same picture, as Eternal Doom is remembered fondly by relatively few.

>>11929418
It'd be good if he disclosed what was changed in the new version.

>>11929418
v1.22 -> v1.23
============
>SIGIL_V1_23_REG.wad now replaces SIGIL_SHREDS.wad; it's a combined paid version of the normal WAD with the MP3 soundtrack.
>Par times in the 'COMPAT' version fixed to replace episode 3 rather than 5.

v1.21 -> v1.22
============
>Internal version for console releases. Not used as a base for v1.23.

>>11929431
No further undisclosed changes, all lumps are identical except the dehacked par times for compat versions

>>11929285
All levels in Heretic are totally playable with wand start even on Black Plague except E3M8.

One of my favorite revelations from the Raven Vault is the fact that Heretic's episode 3 scroller used an earlier design for Corvus and an unused blue-flame brazier.

>>11927083 (OP)
DF retro video is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI_88-nU9bM

>>11929387
>>11929419
I need to replay them because they blur into a single grim yet colorful fantasy medieval game with both 10/10 and absolutely horrible godawful maps, some cool and some insanely annoying enemies, and clunky inventory full of useless junk.

>>11929468
>clunky inventory full of useless junk
I ended up not using most of the items. In my opinion, the most useful ones are:
>Mystic Urn
>Torch
>Tome of Power
>Wings of Wrath
>Ring of Invulnerability

>>11929486
Shadowsphere is great against hordes of skellies.

>>11929486
how can a ring of invulnerability be useless (i haven't played this game since i was like 10 years old on my friends 486)

wouldn't it be helpful for a speedrun

>>11929425
Wish everything about unreal wasn't such a massive slog to play. Great art and setting, soulful music but man combat fuckin sucks. I got filtered by water temple

>>11929504
It requires a different approach and not playing on any setting higher than ‘unreal’.

>>11928225
>>11928239
If they released perfect games they wouldn't have the chance to rererelease the Definitively Definitive Edition 10-15 years from now.

>>11929003
I'm 24 and I bind jump to E and interact to space

Why did Hulshult record such crap in Hexen? I got to the first hub, and I have a feeling that Andrew didn't even bother to check how poorly his music fits.

>>11929604
try binding jump to m2 that's what us quake players do

my friends shit on my config where i use alt-fire for space or activate depending on the game and mouse2 for jump but i've been using it since UT99 and it just works for me and honestly i think it makes sense for games with dual fire modes, it's like holding a gun in your left hand and right hand at the same time

if the game has no alt-fire i used space for press button if it does i used to use ctrl but i switched when i got older

in doom i'm currently not using m2 for anything at all because i have jumping disabled

>>11929387
>Isn't it popular around here?
That's always a funny question for me to think about the answer to.
I love the *idea* of Heretic. I don't want to say it's carried by its aesthetic, but it itself is functional.
It's fun for the reasons Doom I was fun, the fundamentals of the engine.
You know, you take for granted how much heavy lifting the Doom II monsters do by filling out the roster and adding new attacks, then you move to a game that released *after* Doom II, yet almost everything is back to just flying/walking forward to melee or shoot a fireball.
Hexen too. Their lack of popularity is sadly understandable to me. The games are wasted on their own bestiary and arsenal.
>I'm tempted to do a "wand starting" run in "Black Plague Possesses Thee" mode.
This is a pretty darn good idea. Fast monsters force you to respect the basic bitch roster with a lot more respect.

>>11929619
ALL of his music is painfully generic and unfitting for what it's used in.
If anyone absolutely needs to be replaced by AI it's him.

Can someone post the fucking Raven Vault stuff already?

I wonder if Raven put any thought into the lore behind D'Sparil living in the SeaLab. They probably just wanted to a different sky, but still.

>>11929647
thanks for your contribution reddit, have a updoot
spacebar is generally fine for jumping

>>11929706
i've been typing like since since at least 2003 and reddit was created in 2005 and honestly not relevant at all until like 2011, thanks

how the fuck do people get mad about typing styles

>>11928553
That's why they did it. They already did most of the work for last year's Doom rereleases. Their words paraphrased.

>>11929730
They're post-2016 newfags who fell for a meme made to trick newfags.

>>11927907
I'm closer to neutral on them, but it very much depends on what Nightdive products the person bought/is talking about. Some of their stuff is absolutely the best way to play their respective games, but others (like Blood) are/were a mess, so inconsistent output is a pretty good reason to be pissed off at them. My latest issue with them is that the SS2 rerelease adds nothing that's actually new to the game, but they're asking as much for it as they do for the SS remake that was basically a new game.

The cynic in me suspects the primary motivation behind how often they give free copies is to cut off complaints from the group that would be the most critical of it, people who already have played the games and would find the price they charge for minor fixes that already existed to be atrocious.

>>11929063
Corvus is an elflet...

>>11929692
Considering he's been in every second ""retro"" game released nowadays, it should be more than enough to easily train an AI to pump equally soulless shit, and the only reason no one did it yet is because no one wants even more of it.

>>11927083 (OP)
And here is Xaser explaining all of it, fact he wont look at other wads compatibility til he comes back from quakecon in a week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBNTqrF2FtA

>>11928251
>a perfectly good port
no one liked the unity port

>>11928981
The players managed to beat a level which required them to open doors by using open. So they knew what the open button was.

>>11929814
For PC? It wasn't particularly necessary since good sourceports exist, but for consoles it was THE most accurate and high quality console port of the classic game ever made.

The new one technically functions, but it's a buggy mess that likes to crash if you sneeze, and more free access to maps on console is theoretically cool, except the browser for that is completely retarded to use and full of shit which doesn't even function for the port.

I must be stupid or blind
but where is this option menu in the hexen remaster?
I cant find it in my game

>>11929827
>and full of shit which doesn't even function for the port.
Yeah I was thinking about this with Heretic, a lot of the really popular wads like Elf Gets Pissed and I think even History of Fruit are ZDoom wads, so they're never going to work.

>>11929838
when you start a new game

>>11929816
>The players managed to beat a level which required them to move forward by using move. So they knew what the move button was.
That's how you sound. Sorry, but I see very little correlation between "open door" and "close stats screen" functions.

>>11929846
oh shit its down there

>>11929849
thou needeth a wet nurse

>>11929838
>>11929849
Why do they choose the lazies, most unfitting text font?

>>11927907
>I don't get the hate bandwagon on Nightdive here. Some of their remasters are the best versions of their games (ROTT, System Shock 2, Quake 2)
Maybe ROTT since your options are only DOS and the tough to run Winrott, but SS2 and Quake 2 still work just fine and the latter has a couple solid port options. Even though they've done a few things that I've really liked (Powerslave, Killing Time) their releases make the most sense from the perspective of a console user who does not have much if any port or mod options.
>>11927964
The best thing they did for Blood of late was providing the DOS version with the Fresh Supply purchase.

>>11929861
switched it to this already

>>11929862
Lol fuck no
Q2 remaster is a million times better than old Q2 and i am the biggest Q2 Shill

>>11928901
Damn his mace looks so small lol. I guess that's why it's concept art. Cool looking stuff though

>>11929861
it's an "accessibility" option, you can switch to the original

>>11929417
Back in the day I played Poke646
If you want to play something more official, maybe Uplink (it's a demo) and Decay

>>11929871
>Lol fuck no
Knightmare Quake 2 is nice, Yamagi is great.

>>11929874
baby rattle

>>11929849
00s equivalent
>Swine Flu possesses thee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEOi4ieuxww

I already switched to the original soundtrack. I liked the DOOM 1+2 remix soundtrack but atleas in heretic this aint it

>>11929743
thanks for your contribution also zoomer, you to can have a updoot.
my first computer was a speccy lol, ive been here for a while

>>11929881
Knightmare is garbage nowadays, and my expectations towards yamagiQ2 just fucking plumeted since they hate Lazarus.

>>11929893
>Calls one guy a Redditor
>Calls another guy a zoomer
Ooh, what label are you gonna use next? Troon? Jew?

>>11929417
For more vanilla style:
Echoes, Brave Brain, Peaces like us, Sweet Half-Life, Gut Reaction.
For more experimental:
Half-Quake series, Heart of Evil, Invasion, Point of View, Zombie Edition (Yes you start as a crab and get to infect and everything).
There is a fuckton of content waiting for you my friend.

>>11929881
>>11929901
Q2Pro is also good and the 3.24 patch isn't an impossibility. Kex Quake 2 is fun and sparked an interest in Q2 maps again, but is arguably the most changed compared to any other Nightdive idSoft port.

>>11929341
UV

>>11929912
naa dont worry senpai im just a post 2016 newfag, pay me no heed lol.

>>11929936
>no remastered Crakhor skin
Souless.
Steedless.
Literally unplayable.

>>11929936
Paril's Q2RPRO is great.
still wish it supported demos

>>11929956
Do it yourself and stop being a fag

>>11929814
Both are subproducts of GPL laundering, the same philosophy behind cheapest uninspired Chinese knock-offs. No reason to like one over the other.

>>11929976
>>11929956
Also
>>11929936
>looks like Becky Lynch
already dropped

>>11929942
Could just be too much for you right now, consider Hey Not Too Rough or Hurt Me Plenty. The damage you deal and take remains the same but you'll go against less dangerous enemy placements.
>>11929956
I'd be upset if she wasn't already so perfect, and I wouldn't be able to appreciate her assets in the remastered port anyways (probably could in Q2Pro though).
>>11929983
The hat will always remind me more of Jeanne "Hollywood" Basone who also starred in Plumbers Don't Wear Ties.

>>11929838
It's in the difficultly select screen. Hidden away. I press Y on Xbox you on pc maybe press tab?

I swear this is the dumbest marine in the Half-Life setting. Not only do you really have to push him to get into the elevator every single time be absolutely will throw grenades at you while fighting the Vortigaunts on the next floor. I love fighting with my squadmates but each yearly run I call this idiot Corporal Cluster Fuck because he is guaranteed to be a liability more than any other marine in Opposing Force.

>>11930070
I feel like pathfinding in Opposing Force got fucked at some point with an update. I don't remember it having problems in the early 00s.

>>11929504
I started playing vanilla and also found it fairly dull, but had a much better time after switching to Project Gryphon. Definitely worth a go if you've not tried it.

>>11930147
I’ve almost played nothing but Project Gryphon for the past several months. Unreal Evolution is another fun and less extreme option.

>>11930000
havin a fuckin giggle, m8?

>>11930246
Clearly he's trolling

>>11930254
I don't get it

https://tcrf.net/Heretic_%2B_Hexen#id_Vault_Leftovers
>The vault subdirectory of common.kpf contains all of the Id Vault extras from Doom + Doom II, untouched and unaltered. Presumably as a leftover from the previous Night Dive/Id project, which used similar technologies.
So where's the Raven vault stuff, then?

>>11930265
In the menu folder, apparently.

>>11930265
within menu/vault for some reason

Interesting that they sketched out concepts for textures and decorative sprites like this.

>>11930276
That's more or less what Adrian did for Doom. Surely much easier to make things in a familiar medium to scan them in rather than make rough drafts on whatever art programs were around at the time.

>>11929509
This. Don't play it on anything above the actual OG difficulty in your first playthrough and not the meme Godlike difficulty meant for coop with the 227 patch.

The Troll looks kind of rough desu, but the skinnier and corpsier mummy looks nicer than the final one.
The blood fountain looks quite heavy metal, and it feels almost strange that it wasn't used.

Looking at the unused textures and flats, I spot one or two borrowed from Doom (for base), and I actually see a lot of cool stuff which they never put into the game. Why? Heretic and Hexen have kind of sparse texture variety, just a bit of this could have gone a long way, like the animated wall lights, or the purple walls, or...

>>11930285
>That's more or less what Adrian did for Doom
Adrian sketched up some stuff in detail which was then digitized and then processed into textures and graphics, but otherwise he didn't do that much quick and dirty concept sketches (that I've seen, anyway). The only one I can think of is the concept sketch for the Revenant, which was very different from the final design.

>>11930310
I guess he did the quick and dirty stuff moreso for the Quakes, but he did draw concepts for the baron and the mastermind, as well as the marine and what the HUD would look like for the alpha.

>>11930276
>see White Dwarf
What issue were they thinking of, /tg/?

>>11930324
It's dated 95 so probably either one from that year or one from 94, odds are it's one of the ones that dedicated a fair bit of it to showing readers ways to make their own stuff.

>>11930324
>>11930327
I miss when White Dwarf was an actual hobby magazine which would show you all kinds of neat things which you could make yourself, either thought up and sent in by readers, or by the staff of the magazine itself.

>>11930341
Yeah it was a pretty great time of encouraging people to get creative, even telling them what stuff from other companies could be used to kitbash or scratch build stuff.

Pic related for the infamous deodorant tank.

>>11930358
that tank is something out of battlezone and uprising

>>11930358
>Assuming their readers had deodorant.

>>11930358
I remember that.
Man, even in the days that White Dwarf had transitioned fully into being just a Games Workshop magazine, it still had so much fucking sovl and creativity.

>>11930368
It was the 80s and 90s, the audience for that stuff back then was a lot more normal than the one it has now.

>>11930216
Is Project Gryphon also compatible with Unreal Tournament maps?

>>11927523
I hate the shield, it literally trivializes the game, it's like parrying Silver Knights in DS1 but with much more forgiving timing and you 1 shot them when they are stunned

>>11927530
Baby mod for retards who hoard items instead of using them hurr durr i made game better i remove hp from enemy to kill them in 2 hits with the second weapon you get, in the first level too uhhh timebombs? Idk never used those haha

>>11927843
There is no place for fantastical, otherworldy, abstract level design. People want everything to look pretty, realistic, familiar. What a boring way to think, there are no more cool spaces to explore, just cluttered rooms

>>11927907
I hate Nightdive because it's a nepo circlejerk of the same old farts with overblown egos and stale ideas after awarding each other with cacawarts for 30 years straight on their chatboard, except now they are monopolizing the market for older games and shit all over them with their autistic vision and gameplay changes, while most of the added actual content already existedm
I'm tired of Hushart's music, tired of Kaizer's engine, tired of Xaser's level design, but they just keep shitting up unique artifacts of the pioneer days with their modern sensibilities like archeologists with dynamite.

>>11927914
If you suffered through it, you never actually liked it, dumbass. You just didn't have any other options but part of you is nostalgic for your childhood so bad discourse makes you think that games can age from any perspective other than technical and you think that you'll like them if you change just a few things, like mechanics, level design, UI, the whole game really, but
>it's still the same game, just not as clunky
Fuck off, watch a video if you don't like playing the game

>>11930530
>but they just keep shitting up unique artifacts of the pioneer days with their modern sensibilities like archeologists with dynamite.
and calling it game preservation, while sucking the air out of the room for stuff that's actually trying to preserve games.

>>11930537
Thank fuck they couldn't touch Bungie's stuff, Marathon and Myth are safe and in good hands at least

>>11930543
Right up until the new "Marathon" flops and Bungie decides to sell it off.

>>11930543
I'm pretty glad Take No Prisoners got done by another company since I could have seen them moving onto the Vampire engine games after they had burned through all of the Raven FPS games.

>>11930562
I'd expect them to sell off Oni first, probably to Crunchyroll or something stupid.

>>11930465
I've been able to get it working with a few:
>Deja Vu - Gryphon Revisited
>The Odyssey
>Project Zephon
Deja Vu was great and had some fights that really fucked my shit up, Odyssey was nice but really short, Project Zephon had one moment with a "slightly too big" field but I loved everything else about it and was my favorite of the three.
Sadly, and understandably, it's not easy getting these UT packs going through the mod. First part is downloading and following the guide in Botpack227 https://www.moddb.com/mods/botpack227/downloads/botpack227 and the next is putting these UT map fixes in the same System folder you installed Project Gryphon in (I'm mostly sure about that, could also be the one specified in the Botpack steps too) https://files.catbox.moe/edvobh.zip That Botpack thing might not be fully up to date for 227k: I couldn't get Xidia Gold to work at all, and Project Xenome had hiccups even without using Gryphon through it.

>>11930543
>Marathon is in good hands
One of those hands being a guy who thinks his mod is so damn amazing that he decided to tie it to a bunch of other unconnected mods, including giving one of his super-special oh-sees a cameo appearance in a mod remake he spearheaded.

>>11930597
Can't understand what you're talking about because that sounds like too many people kek
Is it Tempus Irae or Apotheosis that got tied to Eternal? Or both?
Don't care either way, I was talking about the source port alone.
The only custom scenario I could bear to finish because it was actually fun is the og Tempus Irae anyway.
>>11930569
I'll check it out, haven't thought about that game in a long while and never actually played it.

>>11930636
>I'll check it out, haven't thought about that game in a long while and never actually played it.
It's a bit clunky but it's one of the best top-down shooters with a llot of pretty neat Raven touches.

>>11928614
>calls his mod Sacrilege because he knows what he's doing is wrong
>oops now it's an official update!!

>>11930687
that is extremely funny and bad ass

>>11927907
Nightdive's Quake 1 port is one of the best ways to play it, if not the best. Their Quake 2 port is good but changes a number of things so I wouldn't call it the "best".

>>11930761
>Nightdive's Quake 1 port is one of the best ways to play it, if not the best
Have you literally never played Quake 1 before?
It's worse than EVERY remotely modern sourceport, on top of having recompiled lighting that rapes the contrast.

>>11930761
The quality of nightdive ports increases the less you care about the game in question. Not to say they do a bad job, but you can't compete with fans.

>>11930806
Didn't they also fuck up movement speed or something?

I like the shield in Heretic + Hexen (it's sprite is a little weak tho, compared to the god-tier spriting that is Hexen) but I wish the other classes got a secondary fire for their starting weapons (or others).
Daedolon could smack people with the staff for a small knockback but little damage.
Baratus could have a jab maybe.

>>11930816
I like their Quake 2 version because it actually adds AI features that the original game cut, and makes it fun. But like you said I was never a fan of it before. I've always liked Heretic and Hexen, and I don't even mind the changes I've seen here so far. As for the "AHH they're fucking up the game!!" complaints, pic related. No one can take the originals away from you, and I don't give a hoot about young people not getting the same experience that I did. They never will anyway.

>>11930761
Is this Niggur serious? They gutted Nightmare mode and added volumetric fog that kills the atmosphere of many areas. The movement was also completely fucked up for weeks until they finally got around to fixing it. If anything, the Quake 2 re-release is closer to being considered the "best" version since they re-implemented weapons and enemy behaviors that were cut for time, though it's all a moot point as existing ports do what they do better.

>>11930820
Backwards movement speed was fucked because they set a cvar wrong, but they fixed that eventually.
There is still input lag that varies depending on your hardware and video settings, something that I haven't encountered on any sourceports (except maybe Dark Places).

I have an idea for a unique /vr/ Doom project.
2048 size limit, except mappers can divide/rearrange into chunks of 1024 however they want, so it's not always just a single 2048 square.
I think a simple tech base, city, hell would work well as the themes. I can compile a resource pack, and compile all the maps for the finished product.
Interested?

>>11930829
>If anything, the Quake 2 re-release is closer to being considered the "best" version since they re-implemented weapons and enemy behaviors that were cut for time, though it's all a moot point as existing ports do what they do better.
Very mixed feelings about that. For almost everything they "restore", there seems to always be something they change. Berserkers have unused animations for new attacks but enforcers don't have that "pre-wound up" firing, parasites got some changes making them way less threatening while all brains are the insane Reckoning variant. That Quake 2 Anniversary mod brought some missing weapons and animations back as well, and I thought I felt a difference between how Ground Zero gunner grenades feel compared to the remaster.

>>11930875
>I can compile a resource pack, and compile all the maps for the finished product.
And then suddenly vanish without a trace, forever leaving the project in limbo.

>>11930892
I hate when this shit happens to /vr/ projects. I will not give up getting this project across the finish line like it's been happening for some time now.
All I need are some interested anons to get this started.

>>11930875
That was discussed threads ago, but you knew that.
Don't see why you don't just let people use whatever resources they want and compile it together in the end.

>>11930924
It's a major pain the ass to compile so many random texture packs. There's a good reason why /vr/ projects only stick to a specific texture pack, stick to stock textures, or only allow like 5 new textures tops per map.

I kinda wanna make some cool guns with MBF21 for a /VR/ project, but I can't lead, simply not enough time to really handle that.

Can't sprite for shit, can animate *okay* to pretty good. Audio isn't my thing but I've gotten the hang of Decohack in the past year.

>>11930806
Lighting changes are so strange. Quake 2 rerelease is especially fucked up.
Also, with Quake 1 re-release - the fog effect is bluish and most areas turn slightly purple colored which is very ugly with the rest of the brown/green palette...
Anyway.

>>11927083 (OP)
Hey, how's everyone doing? What mods do you guys recommend to replay Hexen? Any type of mod

>>11930983
Hexercise is still my go-to gameplay mod for Hexen.

>>11930983
Wrath of Cronos is neat, especially when you get some levels on a fighter, but has a pretty dated menu system.
Walpurgis is similar to the above in a way but is more I guess arcadey than RPG.

>>11930983
Hexercise is old but gold, very lightweight and reworks weapons to be cooler without going overboard
HexArcana is like the above but a bit heavier, adds tertiary fires and a fourth class, giving them unique mechanics like stamina or mana regen
Walpurgis I’m not too familiar with, seems to replace weapons and adds one or two new classes
Wrath of Cronos is a full fledged RPG mod that I’d only recommend if you like menu autism and playing for the long haul

>>11930983
My favorite mod to play with Hexen is High Noon Drifter.

>>11931036
>Female demon
>Isn't just a red chick with horns and a tail
Nice.

>>11931041
Term's got really good taste, pretty sure Mike12 did the ingame sprites too.

>>11931041
Yeah but there are horns.

>>11931041
She does have horns, anon.

>>11931045
>>11931070
To be fair the horns are part of her mask, which comes off.

>>11931043
>Mike12
Muh doom legend! Mike *groom while they're* 12, amirite?

>I left in 2016 or so after I had just plain had enough, and I wasn't active much past 2015 aside from lurking with Hexchat on my second monitor. Marrub became drastically more sexual over time, and I attribute this to direct exposure to sexual content on that IRC and likely elsewhere. Initially he was just a shy, troubled kid, but soon enough he fell in with Term's group and within like a year he was joking about everyone calling him "bumrub" instead of marrub and saying he was gay and into dick and all kinds of other shit. He fucking lived online (on account of his home life and lack of parental oversight) so god only knows what else he got into.

>It's such obvious grooming that if it happened today everyone in those groups would have been lit the fuck up on KWF and several other sites 10 times over for it. Mike12 is just the one I am completely sure participated in it because I personally witnessed some of the conversations during hours where they thought nobody else was paying attention, and Terminus is the one who should have done something about it as moderator of the channel but overlooked it because of clout.

>I actually had someone, can't remember who, tell me in PMs that they messaged Term about it because the subject came up, but AFAIK nothing was ever done during the time I was there because it just kept happening. I am somewhat glad to hear that Terminus at least put a foot down on marrub's public horniness (feels disgusting to phrase it like that for a teen but I don't know what else you can call it), but by that point the damage was done. A man with morals and a spine would have disassociated himself from a good portion of the members of that IRC well before Term finally left the community, but that's not the way you get popular of course.

>>11931093
did ppl at the time know marrub was a minor. i mean i don't expect u to know considering this is a repost but still

Feels like I just played Heretic, but it was probably a few years ago now. This is just as good an excuse as any. Game doesn't fuck around starting in Act 2, already seething on level 2 Ultraviolence (or whatever it is called in Heretic).
The new music is cool in Heretic, which has a really annoying midi soundtrack, but I can see myself absolutely hating it in Hexen.

>>11931093
This sounds like character assassination specifically targeting Term with the other names thrown in as window dressing, as a revenge for outing the dumbworld/zdf clique as absolute freaks.

>>11929619
I switched to his songs for a couple of levels and they all sounded like the ones you hear in movie trailers, boom sfx and all

>>11931151
It's gay drama slinging, this post has been made before, we have a resident schizo or two that enjoys starting shit.

>>11929692
Not a fan of his Doom II remixes, mixed feelings about his ROTT stuff, love his music in Doom Eternal's DLCs
I guess I'm just not a fan when stuff deviates too much from the original, which is not an issue in... Well, actual original music.
>>11930816
I can see that. I never was a big fan of actual Quake 2 but I love their port.

>>11931151
>>11931163
it's a repost from the doom thread on the farms. it's worth noting one of the regular users there got outed for being a groomer and banned from the site, and he still gets ppl in that thread defending him because they're actually on the same level as the zdf freaks they obsess over
every doom community sucks

>>11931117
Are you implying it's okay engage in smut unless the kid provides his age license? I mean, what else could I expect from people who play and search the drawn porn up to the age of 40.

>>11931151
>dumbworld/zdf clique as absolute freaks
That's rich coming from you.

>>11930806
>>11930976
umm Eduardo told me you can't hate it because its LITERALLY the original game, so you guys are just Nightdive haters.

on a serious note I cannot wait when they get
Quake 3 with the shitty netcode they refuse to fix and somehow there will be people mindlessly defending it.

>>11931093
And conveniently no one has irc chat logs from the era anymore.

>>11927098
New Cheesewheel wad!
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/154633

>>11931326
Yeah, conveniently the people slinging accusations didn't keep any proof of their claims but just trust them bro they're hanging out on a forum specifically for stalking people but it's these prominent and talented community members who are the real villains.

>>11931382
>prominent and talented community members
No one talks about HDoom except hopeless degenerates and people with poor sense of humor

>>11931404
Yeah, he was prominent for his sprite contributions to other people's mods moreso than his own projects. That's why someone mentioned him in this thread in the first place.

>>11931382
>but it's these prominent and talented community members who are the real villains
Well to be fair, some of them have done shady shit. Even if their intentions weren't malicious some have shown some poor judgement.
Could be something similar here. We'll never know because it's easier to spout vagueries than specifics.

>>11931428
and also working on stuff like Ion Maiden.

>>11930761
I played Quake for the first time through it, so I wouldn't call it bad, but Ironwail is just an objectively better option.

Honestly liking the Heretic's new enemies even if they are pretty basic
>Chaos Serpent is literally just a mancubus reskin
It's like they are trying to bridge the difficulty between all the enemies like Doom 2 did but it also makes if feel much more like a "Doom but with magic" game than it did before

>>11930265
Is TCRF still going through its autistic shitfit?

How are the enhanced weapons?

>>11931564
Heretic seems to be better off, but Hexen has some questionable decisions. Parias' shield is very strong, and it seems like Daedolon's Bloodscourge lost its homing properties. That may be a bug.

>>11931550
The head janny makes the troonworld mods look like sane functioning people

>>11931579
I'm aware of the shenanigans going on, a pity given the website contributes a not insignificant amount of preservation to vidya history.

>>11930530
>If you suffered through it, you never actually liked it, dumbass.

Talks about suffering in the same post where he mentions dork souls. Guess people people are squeezing the last sauce they can out of summer break lel

Why is melee always so shit in FPS?

If they just added maybe two more different kinds of attack Hexen melee would have been alright

>Regular attack string
>Secondary attack or charge attack that has longer wind up but hits harder
Mix and match the two for variation of combos
>Jumping attack that knocks those shield horses out of shield stance

>>11931606
Because most FPSs focus on the Shoot part, and melee is a backup shitty weapon for when you run out of gun.
Play Elderborn or Zeno Clash or something.

>>11931606
People like it enough in Vermintide 1/2, however not retro. But generally speaking, easier to put in guns in a game made around melee use than the other way around, and Hexen is trying to do something different in the framework of a shooter.

>>11931569
I wouldn't really mind the shield if they gave the other classes something to match but their slot 1s are completely vanilla. So you've got
>basic punches but every third hit does more damage
>pew pew wand with shit damage but you can line enemies up
>block damage, parry melee attacks, instakill parried enemies
One of these things is not like the other. And it's not like Parias was lacking in the rest of his toolkit to warrant such a buff, he already had the best slot 3 and 4, arguably the best slot 2, and the best flechette. The mace being a relative piece of shit was the only thing really keeping him from being blatantly the strongest character.

Making the hurr durr very simple gameplay of doom where you click button and bullets go boom, into something where melee combat could be interesting and fun sounds like you'd need a lot more thought into how the melee attacks function.

But how to program and get the player to understand how to do different actions?. I guess you could click-click quickly to do a one-two or hold to charge a big swing. But to get a player to know to do that as well as to get them to try that over ranged weapons? I guess if you toss those kinds of options in Hexen it might be easier to toy with and figure out because you just won't really have non-melee options for Fighter for some time.

>block damage, parry melee attacks, instakill parried enemies

Oh haha so they straight up gave one of the biggest easy modes in the game even more toys to play with. Nice.

>>11931629
>and Hexen is trying to do something different in the framework of a shooter.
Original Hexen only really had four and a half melee weapons anyway.

>>11931093
marrub is a little?

...Weren't they in the ZDF admin's crosshairs for turning down (WELL-KNOWN GZDOOM MODDER) long before THAT shit ever went public?!

All this talk about melee is making me think of some of the Heretic II stuff, which I don't think counts because wasn't it third person anyway? Stuff like that leaping staff kick would make people sick having to watch it in first person mode.

>>11931659
>Stuff like that leaping staff kick would make people sick having to watch it in first person mode.
Heretical Doom has some stuff like that, seems ok.

>>11931629
Eah V1+2 have regular weak, charge strong attack and a unique push block attack. Just like I said. That's enough to really add enough variety in mixing up your chains that's it's not just super monotonous. And had enough versatility you can handle most encounters.

>>11931615
Hexen has a hammer that's enchanted with fire, an axe imbued with lightning, a magic sword of ethereal flame. Fucking spiked maces and iron gauntlets. The dude on the cover of the new version is wielding a sword. It's called SWORD and sorcery. Melee and fantasy goes hand in hand. It's something that CAN work if done right.

Does anybody know already from which level in Faith Renewed a secret level can be accessed?

>>11931680
It's hard to do first person perspective melee right, because you don't have depth perception. It can be done now, as tech improved, but on Doom engine, probably can't.

>>11931680
>The dude on the cover of the new version is wielding a sword.
Funny thing is it's that Quietus is the only one of Baratus' weapons that isn't a melee weapon.

I miss when gossip posts would get deleted

>>11931684
It's also a massive headache from an animation/visual feedback perspective, if you don't want the player to feel like a disembodied arm.

>>11931681
Probably E1M6 still since it's an E1 replacement.

>>11931684
>but on Doom engine, probably can't.
Man, people like Kegan are going to be so disappointed to learn that they can't do melee in the Doom engine.

>>11931709
I'm 99% sure this anon is correct.
The right edge has a window into a small room with a blue sparkleporter that doesn't show on the automap, but I died before I could figure out how to get inside.

>>11931716
See here.

>>11931093
We've all been groomed on IRC, it was the style at the time. How do you think I turned out the way I did? Worst is that it takes ages to unlearn that shit, especially if the people who should be doing their jobs actively gaslight you into thinking everything you do is ok. After all, it conveniently is fucking over someone they have a personal vendetta against. They can simply throw you under the bus afterwards to save face, works every time.

>>11928268
>>11927171
sr40 only 32.60
https://files.catbox.moe/p2mbbb.lmp

>>11931713
Depends on what that guy is looking for in first person melee, really.

>>11931742
we're around the same age and i've never groomed somebody or needed random internet people to fill the role of my parents anon
skill issue. *unsheathes katana* now perish

>>11929221
>>11929169
Huh now it happened to me too even when i re-upload the file it's still 0 bytes. Guess catbox is starting to malfunction
Zipping the demo worked but I still need to double check each catbox upload I do
https://files.catbox.moe/jt4218.zip

>>11928740
>hating E3M7
Begone.

>>11931795
>masterpieces like E3M7
Bro, your literacy?

>>11931684
>It's hard to do first person perspective melee right

How can that be hard? Boxers do it all the time.

>>11931650
Prominent enough to have two classes start out with melee, and 4.5 still makes up to being at least one class worth of weapons.

>>11931826
>and 4.5 still makes up to being at least one class worth of weapons.
Nah, all of them have at least one weapon that only does a ranged attack, there's no melee-only class, only the impression of one.

>>11931804
Anon...

>>11931818
Melee combat is sensitive to distance, and in real life your brain compares picture from two eyes to gauge it. In a game, you are looking at a flat picture.

Where can I get the new Heretic + Hexen shit for GZDoom?
Is anyone cooking yet

>>11931845
I've never had a problem with gauging melee distance in first person games, same with first person platforming, but with how common the complaints are, I guess it just filters most people.

>>11931845
I'm just being flippant.

>>11928917
>Daily Doom: Summer of Sunlust
SATURDAY AUGUST 9 - MAP04: SOL
This map made my day.Ngl I thought 1 map a day might be a chore, but beating this level got me psyched and I wanted to keep playing. I was struggling with it at first until I realized I can grab the rocket launcher before any of the keys via the secret. The traps are delightfully devilish (for now). I was able to record a UV-Max, but probably not for next map. https://files.catbox.moe/sd1mfp.lmp

>>11931928
>that manc riding a lift
kek

>>11931589
How are the two even related bunghole
Dark Souls 1 had broken parry, so does Hexen now.
It doesn't match the rest of the game, it's like a shitty GZDoom mod

>>11931637
>>11931648
It is horseshit and as a Cleric main it literally never needed a buff.
Oh no, the starting weapon is weak...
Slot 2 is the best one, slot 3 is decent, slot 4 is clearly the best one, flechettes are the best too.
They also removed the only gimmick from mage's slot 2, by almost completely removing the frozen enemies as a mechanic. That weapon was arguably weak, but it was more interesting to use, now it's stronger but it's just a regular shotgun with fancy effects.

GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY!! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!

Is there a console command in GZDoom to count all the specific actors on a map?

>>11931976
I personally think the mace needed a little something extra to be fun to use, though I also think the same thing for the sapphire wand. Baratus' fists are quite good because they hit hard and landing the combo finisher is very satisfying. I also agree with the rest of Parias' arsenal being really good otherwise.
This new shield is way too fucking good though, and Baratus and Daedolon didn't get anything cool.

I disagree with frozen enemies no longer blocking more frost shard projectiles being a bad thing, because all they've done is remove potential tedium of having to deal with either swapping weapons to shatter frozen enemies, or just waiting around for them to break on their own. it still has that weird quirk of firing one big projectile that fragments into the shards though, which forces you to stand at the right distance to get the most of the attack. Or you just get up close and give them the Coldfinger.

>>11931978
These saturdays are there to humiliate me at this point, I'm so lazy I got nothing interesting to show

>>11931978
I've finished a map that is meant to introduce BFG replacement.

The bfg replacement was supposed to be somewhat nerfed to make it less obviously superior to plasma, but I don't think it worked very well in this regard.

>>11931993
It's a cool screenshot at least.

>>11931853
As someone who loves messing around in third person when I shouldn’t, I honestly think it’s far easier gauging melee distance and hits in first person. Dark Messiah (barely/not even retro) has some of the best melee ever and it’s first person.

>>11932000
That sword throw at the start rules. Always makes me happy to see people just carnaging shit as Blaz.

>>11931994
but it's not obviously superior to plasma at all, plasma is much more ammo efficient, sometimes you can't afford a BFG shot so you just sweep a group of enemies with plasma spam instead, and plasma is better for taking 1-2 large enemies

not to say your gun isn't cool or anything

>>11932008
It takes around 170-179 plasma shots to kill a cyberdemon, and that’s assuming you don’t miss any. The way BFG tracers work allow you to kill a cybie with two (total 80 cell) blasts.
If it’s just one single enemy by themselves (a less likely occurrence as maps get harder) it might be more ammo efficient to use the plasma, but they also won’t be much of a threat and could be easily routed by lesser weapons.

>>11932000
DMoM is also fully 3D, where it's really easy to handle melee ranges by saying "if model A touches model B, deal damage". Sprite-based melee is much easier to fuck up because there's nothing really requiring the spriter to have made a sprite that in any way relates to the real range of the attack.

>when the mapmaker finally deems that you've used the peashooter shotgun enough on hell knights and cacos that you've earned the chaingun
give me a real weapon!

>>11932000
Dark Messiah is indeed one of the best, but it's still kinda not that good. It's very very heavily carried by kicks and the physics-based consequences of these hits. Might as well call Dying Light 1 one of the best melee first person games for the same reason, even though the actual melee there is just okay.

>>11932000
It's kind of painful to realize that a lot of people don't know how to punch stuff to death in normal Doom, not even Revenants.

>>11931637
>The mace being a relative piece of shit was the only thing really keeping him from being blatantly the strongest character.
It's not even that shitty to begin with. Shield feels to precise (or janky) and, because of that, I would argue it makes Mace worse: you break your habit of dodging hits by moving only to get hit because your block doesn't register.
>from being blatantly the strongest character.
Cleric always was blatantly strong.
>>11931984
>This new shield is way too fucking good though
It felt very unreliable to me, but maybe I'm just terrible. Haven't played around with Hexen side of things too much since I wanna deal with Heretic first.

>>11931978
Not much to show since 90% of what I'm doing is code, but I got around to texturing the bandolier model I posted a while back.

Bloodfag is still anal that his shitty game was shafted by atari and is now on a crusade to hate nightdive

>>11931818
If you look at a third-person action game, a shitload of effort must go into selling the movement and the impact, whereas an FPS gets to make do using a camera with WASD controls.

>>11932108
>Cleric always was blatantly strong.
This, the rest of his weapons are strong as all fuck, and the Serpent Staff is cheap healing as long as you know how to use it.

I dislike the new episode of Heretic too.
It seems it was only ever balanced for the "enhanced" stuff, playing it on OG is miserable.
It's just a slog, where starting from the second map you get 200 enemies with little items or health, boy I love plinking Ophidians, Ghost Undead, hordes of Fireball Imsp with unpowered Dragon Claw, Ethereal Crossbow and nothing else.
And they can all snipe you from halfway across the map.
I got timebombs but I can't even use them because half the enemies can shoot me at any given time yet I can't reach them, you get only 1 tome of power, 1 invincibility ring and 1 morph ovum.
Compare that with OG raven maps where you get similar amounts of enemies but you are absolutely drowned in ToPs.
New devs treat these things as Doom's powerups instead of using them like originally intended where the devs treated them like an extension of your regular arsenal.
Of course you have to buff weapon damage and nerf enemy HP when you are so stingy with stuff you are meant to use regularly, it's like turning the Doom pistol into the Halo CE one and never giving you the SSG or the Rocket Launcher

Decided to try Heretic after i got the new release for free on GOG and man it's fucking great honestly. Idk why i never really tried it out before

>>11932135
As far as I can tell, Kaiser did one Heretic map a decade and a half ago before doing all but the secret map for this wad.

They could have hired RottKing or somebody at least instead of doing the "it's just fantasy Doom, it'll be easy as piss" thing.

>>11932168
Probably the lack of source ports, for a long time GZDoom and Chocolate were the only options until Crispy Heretic got a bit more developed, hopefully the rerelase doesn't outright kill it.

>>11932003
He so best, man.
>>11932049
>Sprite-based melee is much easier to fuck up because there's nothing really requiring the spriter to have made a sprite that in any way relates to the real range of the attack.
This is a concern that can pour over to either perspective, though it's helped by most Doom-like enemies having a melee attack range that doesn't exceed their collision box.
>>11932070
>It's kind of painful to realize that a lot of people don't know how to punch stuff to death in normal Doom, not even Revenants.
Or how to avoid pinky bites with the chainsaw. I guess I can't blame people for not wanting to get close with so many guns.

>>11932173
I couldn't get crispy-heretic to work, it gave me some error about "invalid fullscreen graphics" or something along those lines, i just settled with playing the new release. But i got it working on gzdoom thoughever.

>>11932170
Kaiser was also never a great mapper to me, he was always pretty average.

>>11932176
>Or how to avoid pinky bites with the chainsaw.
or how to use the chainsaw in general, I got complaints like it was a punishment to even give a chainsaw, let alone putting it into an encounter where the intention is to use it to stunlock stuff long enough to have it meat shield for you.

>>11932135
I couldn't figure out how to turn off the baked mods until I was halfway through because they're in a completely separate menu from every other setting, but I figured as much.
I assume the new Hexen campaign will punish you for using vanilla weapons too.

>>11932170
Imagine thinking a fucking gameplay barely-mod was worth giving a random a nice corpo paycheque and not Elf Gets Pissed

>>11932192
If you start as the Cleric you have to run through an army of Ettins and Gargoyles, a couple of Chaos Serpents, a dozen Projectile Centaurs and traps with only the mace, flechettes and I think one quartz flask just to get firestorm. And then you have 140 worth of green mana, just some flechettes, barely any health and never actually killed anything.

>>11932202
Forgot to mention, if you use the new shield, you can kill all of that stuff with just the mace.

>>11932192
>Imagine thinking a fucking gameplay barely-mod was worth giving a random a nice corpo paycheque and not Elf Gets Pissed
Yeah I was never even that keen on Wayfarer's Tome to begin with, I remember having to take an axe to some of it when I gave it a go since I think it fucked up the timing on stuff like the tomed gauntlets.

>>11932060
Dear player,

You forgot checking the obvious misaligned wall with two candles before it in the corridor before the hellknights. There's a rocket launcher and a box of rockets there.

T. Mapper

>>11932192
>I assume the new Hexen campaign will punish you for using vanilla weapons too.
Does anyone besides the cleric get any new weapons or abilities?

>>11932116
A dude bought Atari and then bought Nightdive. Atari OWN ND now and ND still won't update the game or make a console version or ever return to it because they just drop previous projects dead and move on.

>>11931983
actorlist or actornum <classname>
>actorlist doomimp

>>11932250
It's their entire business model, once the release window sales dry up, they don't see it worth the time or money to keep support going, especially when they're busy using the IP access they've had to parlay for more IP access.

>>11932262
they pretty much confirmed that patches depends of the provider in this case id, and mainly the console company
they pretty much implied too that the reason of why quake 2 didnt got another patch to add the PSX stuff as bugfixes paril did on his Q2Rpro fork is Nintendo and Sony being a bunch of asshats with delays

>>11928740
>E3M7
Just reached it in my heretic playthrough, didn't notice anything spectacular. I even liked E3M6 more. What do you like about this level?

>>11932291
I think this was a sarcastic comment about Doom maps with bad reputation.

cute lil guy

>>11932356
Cute lil guy.

>>11932173
Don't forget dsda. It doesn't desync demos when you enter the menu unlike crispy.

>>11932415
>>11932173
Even going back 20+ years ago there was Delphi and Vavoom with Heretic support.

>>11932415
The default demos are actually broken in vanilla though, they were recorded in Heretic 1.0 and they changed Firemace behaviour in 1.2 or something IIRC
Or are you talking about some recent change in crispy that breaks new demos?

>>11932451
No I mean that when you are recording a demo and press Escape it will be desynced just like in chocolate-{doom,heretic}. It's fixed in crispy-doom but not in crispy-heretic for some reason.

>>11932431
Also it took a while until proper hexen support came to be

>>11931928
https://files.catbox.moe/vggzmg.lmp
First difficulty curve but fights are easy if you do them in piecemeal. Probably most sunlusty sunlust map :)

>>11931742
Fake and somehow even gayer.

Is action doom supposed to be played with freelook?

>>11930816
I haven't played vanilla Q1 in a long time, but the Nightdive port made me fall in love with Q1 in a way I hadn't felt in years, so perhaps I just don't like vanilla Q1 that much. Quake II on the other hand pissed me off with Nightdive's changes because I really liked vanilla, but that was before I learned to appreciate the Nightdive version on its own merits.
>>11930829
You can turn down most of the extra graphical fluff in Nightdive's Q1 port to get something closer to the DOS version. If anything, I'd say the Nightdive version with the graphics turned down comes closer to looking like the DOS version than most sourceports since it actually has things like the underwater warping effect. Definitely gotta enable weapon bobbing though, because Quake just doesn't look like Quake with weapon bobbing disabled.
>The movement was also completely fucked up for weeks until they finally got around to fixing it.
Moot point because like you pointed out, they've fixed it. I think it feels pretty good now, though I also thought it felt good about a week after release.
>If anything, the Quake 2 re-release is closer to being considered the "best" version since they re-implemented weapons and enemy behaviors that were cut for time
That's great if you don't mind playing a different game, which I see the Nightdive version of Q2 as vs vanilla.

>>11930806
Forgot to reply to you here >>11932567 because you tripped one of my 4chan-XT filters. Yes, I have played Q1 before. The very first version I played was the DOS shareware. For years I was frustrated with the lack of good sourceports. The Nightdive version fixed most of the problems I had with those sourceports.

>>11932567
>I haven't played vanilla Q1 in a long time, but the Nightdive port made me fall in love with Q1 in a way I hadn't felt in years, so perhaps I just don't like vanilla Q1 that much.
They didn't change much of Q1 at all beyond the nightmare difficulty changes. It's almost a nothingburger compared to the list of Kex engine Q2 changes.

>>11931742
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/tripcode/!!AQCzS4Q%2BNjl/
>1 result
Fuck off, retard.

Been playing through Remanence, and it's been a pretty fun romp so far The library fight on map02 can go suck a dick, though

>>11932580
I've been meaning to play vanilla Q1 again to compare, but if true, this just confirms my initial feelings on the Nightdive port. It's a damn good version. It's got the water warping, it's got the music, and it plays like a freaking dream.
I guess people like Nightdive's Q2 port better because most people don't like vanilla Q2 that much.

>>11932567
Ironwail with classic options, 8-bit mode and stretched UI clears.

>>11932641
>Dumb ass AI
>retarded turrets
OFC people wont like vanilla Q2

>>11932641
>>11932567
Every modern Quake 1 port has water warping and can play music tracks in a gorillion different formats. Ironwail and vkQuake also have software visual modes to closer match the colors of the original. If you want even more autistic authenticity you can use MarkV.
So I really have no idea why you're jerking Kex Quake off unless you're just absolutely clueless. The raped lighting alone makes it one of the worst ways to play the game, and input lag is a big issue for a lot of people.

>>11932641
>I've been meaning to play vanilla Q1 again to compare, but if true, this just confirms my initial feelings on the Nightdive port.
I wonder what it is about the ND port drawing you to it compared to the others. For me, the release of the new Dimension of the Machine episode got me to look into and thoroughly appreciate FTE for the first time: It was the only other port that supported that episode, and ran smoother for me than the Kex engine Quake.
>>11932653
>>retarded turrets
There's only a few in vanilla Q2, and they're the type that get manned by enforcers.

>>11932673
All the NDS demasters have done is give FOMO zoomers an excuse to actually play Quake, Quake 2 and Heretic for the first time instead of blindly trusting and repeating the collective judgments of forum hiveminds that one is 'Doom but brown and shitty', 'Doom but gray and shitty' and 'Doom but fantasy and shitty'.

>>11932681
Get ready for all of the upcoming 40 minute Youtube video essays about how the Serpent Riders Trilogy have been misunderstood masterpieces all along.

Speaking of Q2, I've got the urge to replay it today. The worst parts of the ND remaster are definitely AI changes. I can deal with berserkers not being pinky-tier anymore, even if their leaps launched me straight into instakill lasers or death pits a few times. Railgun nerf is annoying too, but livable. What pisses me the FUCK off though is the way they taught every enemy to do a little sidestep when there's a grenade coming at them. Kills most of GL usage for me.
You can't turn that stuff off, can you? I found a mod that makes all their "enhancements" switchable, but it seems to have been broken with a patch.

>>11932638
>Remanence
can't find it, link?

>>11932704
>You can't turn that stuff off, can you?
Nope.
Sorry gramps, you just gotta deal with instantaneous dodge animations with horribly mismatched hitboxes if you wanna be bussin and rizz. Quake 2 is certified zoomerjank now.

>>11932714
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/154615-remanence-mbf21/

>>11932719
>Antares031
>Bauul
>Ravendesk
I already like this

>>11932647
>What's this?
>A fork of the popular GLQuake descendant QuakeSpasm with a focus on high performance instead of maximum compatibility, with a few extra features sprinkled on top.
Do the classic options include compatibility fixes? I mean if we're going for something authentic to vanilla, it should have options to behave like it.
>>11932653
That's partly why I like vanilla Q2 as much as I do. It's a dumb fun shooty game that's comfy and not too mentally demanding.
>>11932669
I'll have to give Ironwall and MarkV a try to see what I think of them. It sounds like they may be better than the ports I tried pre-Nightdive.
>The raped lighting alone makes it one of the worst ways to play the game
The lighting in Nightdive doesn't bother me too much. I know it's different than vanilla, but I don't dislike it.
>input lag is a big issue for a lot of people
Maybe it's because I'm on Linux, or maybe it's because I'm too slow to notice, but it doesn't feel laggy for me at all. I think it feels quite responsive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>11932673
>I wonder what it is about the ND port drawing you to it compared to the others.
Good first impressions play a big role I guess. It came out when I was wanting a good Q1 port, and was frustrated by the lack of good options that were available at the time.
Also, I recently set up a new couch gaming rig, and Nightdive was one of the first games I installed on it. I've been playing it a lot lately and it's just fun as fuck. I'm amazed how well it plays with a controller once you edit the keybinds. I had to manually edit the config file to add a third jump bind though. Don't ask why I felt compelled to bind jump to three different buttons, but it plays great now that I have.