Thread 11942710

What's your personal /vr/ gatekeeping criteria?

Mine: If someone hasn't beaten at least one classic 2D Mario game than they're not a real retro gamer, they're a poser.

If you didn't beat Zelda 1 without a guide than you didn't beat the game. You need to draw a map while you play and find everything on your own.

>>11942710 (OP)
>You need to draw a map while you play and find everything on your own

it literally came with an insutrction manual that told you hints and included a half completed world map for you to fill in

Mine is being able to spell poseur. It's a really obvious newfag sign.

have you ever actually gatekept? like someone asked for help but they tripped one of your switches and you either didn't help or misled them

has anyone every actually gatekept?

>>11942716
I purposefully answer questions that could easily be googled wrong all the time. Gatekeeping is stupid nowadays though, because no one feels enough shame to alter their behaviour anymore because The Internet is full of animals.

>>11942710 (OP)
If you didn't grow up in the 90s and own a console pre 5th gen, you're a poser.

>>11942710 (OP)
Mind if I add on to your criteriea? In terms of SMB games, would the highest difficulty one rank you the "realest" retro game? If so, I've beaten both the All-Stars version of SMB2J and the SMB2 Deluxe "Super Players" mode. After getting used to SMB2J on the SNES, it made "Super Players" mode on SMB Deluxe an absolute breeze.

>>11942729
>retro game
*retro gamer

>not a real retro gamer
You guys don't actually make playing old games your whole personality... right?

>>11942748
Me personally? Not really, but I do think it's fun to see if I'm truly a "Super Player."

>>11942748
Usually people who say things like this, don't have much of a personality
>i hate food, just give me hot dogs
>i hate music, just turn on the radio
>i hate movies, lets just go watch dwayne johnson
Nobody likes you other than other idiots who can't read

>>11942710 (OP)
>If someone hasn't beaten at least one classic 2D Mario game than they're not a real retro gamer, they're a poser.
What if I just don't like Mario that much?

if you weren't conscious by the time I finished high school, I don't consider you a person

>>11942712
... and it expected you to finish the rest of the map. Are you fucking dumb?

>>11942771
Have you played Rayman? If so, I'd say you'd be giving SMB2J a run for its money.

>>11942771
you don't get it bro, you HAVE to like le bing bing wahoo man or you're not a REAL RETRO GAMER™

>>11942713
Honestly not many of us ever spelled the word or have seen it spelled. It was a spoken word. I won't hold it against OP for spelling it wrong.

>>11942710 (OP)
Knowing who auster is.

>>11942710 (OP)
Okay... here's mine.
If you don't know how to properly maintain a frontloading NES and its games. Then you're not really into retro gaming. And if you don't know the difference between RF and Composite then you don't need to interact with anyone concerning retro gaming.

>>11942748
Not my whole personality. If you are into retro games, it's going to take up a nice portion of your personality by nature of t's niche culture. You don't have to interact with the community, you know pretty much the same things they do. It's a part of your personality.

>the community
You need to go back

>>11942712
Only in America, because Nintendo knew you guys sucked at games.

Calling a shitty LCD television an "older television" should immediately get you kicked out of discussions.

>>11942724
You sound like an asshole and I would eventually stop hanging out with you.

>>11942713
This comment just singlehandedly made you the biggest faggot on this entire website. Congratulations, here's a trophy.

>>11942804
NTA.
True, but he's not wrong.

>>11942802
>buy shiny new led tv
>can't call the older lcd model an 'older tv' or a 4chin austist gets upset
huh

>>11942797
There's been a larger retro community since before reddit, dipshit.

>>11942771
Your question was answered in the post.
>>11942779
>>11942782
You're both fags. Stay away from each other, that was illegal back in the /vr/ days.

>>11942793
Oooh, that's a good one! In that case, I would even extend it to say if you don't know how to use a soldering iron and have never replaced a save battery than you're a poser.

if you didn't 1cc it, you didn't beat the game.

>>11942771
then you need to beat a classic megaman, zelda or sonic.

>>11942710 (OP)
>bing bing wahoo is his criteria for what counts as a real retro gamer
fuck off you manchild back to r/retrogaming

>>11942710 (OP)
Mine is if you're more concerned about how others play old games, like for example
>if you didn't play it on original hardware, you didn't beat the game
>if you didn't play it on a crt, you didn't get the real experience
instead of using the board to talk about your favorite games and find out some gems you missed back in the day, you're not a real gamer.

>>11942710 (OP)
>You need to draw a map
The world is not that big or complex to require such a thing.

>>11942716
I purposefully try and inject the idea that retro games are racist and/or sexist with the hopes it will slowly get normies and clout chasers to abandon it.

>>11942726
What if I was only allowed to play games on a computer, arcades and LCD games when 4th gen consoles were new because my parents didnt want me to have a console plugged into the tv?

>>11942892
>normies
ironic

>>11942748
I rather be known as a retro gamer, than just a "gamer" and the attributes people contribute to that now.

>>11942801
Yeah thats why 9 times out of 10 burgers got the versions with upped difficulty.

if you havent sucked dick and balls in an alleyway for a copy of alex kidd you arent a real gamer

>>11942920
I touched a turd in a toilet for a copy of Tetris DX.

>>11942783
If you pronounce poseur like poser you are doing it wrong.
>>11942804
I've actually never had a friend break off contact with me. I'm an incredible listener.
>>11942808
Thanks, I can use it to hold poseur tears.

>>11942710 (OP)
Zelda 1 is one of the worst examples to use for this, you have to place bombs in areas with no indication that a hole will appear like in later games and the only hints in the game itself is "Dodongo dislikes smoke" tier shit. The game was basically made to sell Nintendo Power.

My red flags are...

Exclusively emulating.
Exclusively playing on original hardware.
Exclusively playing casually.
Exclusively playing for performance.
Exclusively playing games from before a certain era.
Exclusively playing games from after a certain era.
Not (somewhat) evenly distributing your play time between PC, arcade, and console games.
Lacking basic repair skills.
Lacking enough knowledge of Japanese to work your way through a Dragon Quest game or an issue of a Japanese gaming magazine.
Console warring in any capacity.
Little to no interest in games outside of video games (sports, card games, tabletop games, and so on).
Primarily interested in the non-game aspect of video games (story, music, atmosphere, and so on).
Taste primarily motivated by nostalgia.

I'm sure there are more.

Exhibiting a couple of these traits is fine. But if I notice, say, three or more, then I probably won't take what you have to say very seriously, and I'll probably try to avoid you.

I'm at the point where I basically don't info dump, and don't talk about cool games I know, unless the topic comes up.
People need to play games for themselves, instead of reading shit online, and pretending they played them.

>>11942771
>>11942782
You're unironically a poser if you don't like Mario. he has too many good games to ever completely write off.
This is like claiming to be into film, but refusing to watch anything that ever came out of Universal.
>NOOOO! I ONLY LIKE KICKASS GAMES WITH BLOOD AND WEEEED!
Congratulations on your 14th birthday.

>>11942848
What does the r/ mean? I don't speak zoomy.

>>11942909
That was due to rentals, not skill.

>>11943009
>you have to place bombs in areas with no indication that a hole will appear
There is indication.
>"Dodongo dislikes smoke" tier shit
The English translation was really bad. Who cares? You live in a localized market, you're not the target audience. Cry about it.
>The game was basically made to sell Nintendo Power.
Nintendo Power didn't begin publication until over a year after Zelda released and the only guide it had was for the second quest. Also Nintendo Power was only a thing in America, this game was made for the Japanese market and Americans got a localization.

>>11942909
That's not even true. There are more games that nerfed difficulty for the NA release than the other way round. At least in the 80s, anyway.

>>11943009
Don't forget the "hint" on how to kill a Pols Voice that is useless because it references a feature that was removed from the console outside of Japan

>>11943009
I played the Japanese version without being able to read anything and didn't have any problems. You're just dumb.

>>11943030
Yes, you rented them until you became skilled enough to beat them. Just like you keep dumping coins into arcade games until you can beat them cheaper and cheaper.

>>11943058
Having to do that would demonstrate an extreme lack of skill

>>11943078
How the fuck do you think people learn to clear a game on a single credit? How do you think people learn to accomplish anything?

>>11943083
There's a difference between having skill and memorizing everything through brute force.

>>11943078
This is a retarded generalization to make about a type of game that often take the most autistic players in the world hundreds of hours to 1cc. No, it is not a "lack of skill" to need a lot of time to learn to 1cc Mushi on Ultra.

>>11942710 (OP)
Idk. A lot of people get absolutely filtered by OoT, so I guess hating that game's my criteria for a red flag.
People who dog on it can never seem to get in the right head space when playing it, nor appreciate or at least understand it's game design and only ever go after it either because of it's ridiculously lauded status, Egoraptor's 'tism fit video essay or the camera. I guess with how simplified and fine-tuned controls and mechanics are these days that people who loath OoT really just can't deal with it's existence of being clunky. Also weirdly enough, they never ever talk about the 3ds version, which smooths out some the rougher edges of the controls, more or less. People are just so pretentiously critical when talking about this game now. Same can be said with pretty much every old game these days, really, that you'd think they're allergic to history.

>>11943108
I don't like it because it's so easy that it makes me say "dang, what's the point" out loud.

>>11942710 (OP)
>If someone hasn't beaten at least one classic 2D Mario game than they're not a real retro gamer
No one gives a shit about mario out side your cult m8

My criteria would have to be wrote at least one published game between 1975 and 2000

I'm not enough of an authority to gatekeep anyone from anything.

>>11942773
A map that most players no longer own. Did you miss his point on purpose or are you just a moron?
In any case you suck at gatekeeping. If you were guarding a gate a big fat ogre and a talking donkey could just walk right in and you wouldn’t do shit.

>>11943030
>muh rentals

>>11942812
Don't be obtuse you know exactly what I mean.

>>11942819
Maybe. I'd like to extend it to that one, but there are many who have never used a soldering iron or replaced batteries. Honestly I'd save that gatekeeping for RetroComputers where it's a necessity.

>>11942861
>instead of using the board to talk about your favorite games
I'm more in favor with the guys who are concerned with Rewind, Savestates, Hardware, and CRTs. Than someone more concerned with permanently online BS.

>>11943038
Oh yeah? Name 50.

>>11943108
People criticize any game, don't get pissy when your favorite game catches some too.
>but but but
You shit on games, now learn to receive it

They have to play and genuinely discuss games. Preferably arcade, computer and console gaming, but people have their preferences.

People are too busy with useless shit like jerking off hardware/emulation and then sperging out at each other. There's also posting screenshots of their shaders on the title screen or the first level, but not actually playing the games. Also I get mostly playing comfort games, but is it really retrogaming you are interested in or just the handful of old games you liked?

>>11942716
Recently. I'm not going to help someone who can't be bothered to look at the 2nd result in a search engine. Clearly you don't care enough at that point, so why should anyone help you?

>>11942713
For me, it's people correcting me when spelling "connaisseur" correctly.

Balding or baldness is a must. If you have hair you clearly haven't played enough difficult games and thus your opinion has no value.

>>11943108
I never get anyone who shit talks a game because of the camera. It literally would not even occur to me that a game's camera was bad unless it was really bad. I just play the game.
I half suspect this is born of the modern era where everyone expects games to basically be third person shooters where you can manipulate the camera at all times, and just can't really get into the headspace of allowing the game to select an angle for you. If anything, I prefer that. It means less constant tweaking and fine tuning.

>>11943448
So you're just attacking the game out of spite, due to some perception that it's fans are bullying games you like?
Terrible way to approach any game. You should always go in trying to enjoy it, on it's own terms.

>>11943479
No, poseur is a loanword, used for centuries, like reconnoitre.

>>11943490
Did you imagine me attacking your favorite game already?

>>11943508
I wouldn't say it's my favourite game.
It's up there, but I probably have like 50 favourite games.

Your post had clear tone of spite around.
>"Hehe, I'm going to shit talk this game, and you're going to TAKE IT, BITCH".
Why are you like that?

>>11943091
No, there really isnt. Memorization is how you develop skills.

>>11943481
Bald since highschool, baby!

>>11942710 (OP)
i hang out with dolls who think old stuff is neat and know how to fix my old stuff :-)

>>11943515
>I wouldn't say it's my favourite game.
>It's up there, but I probably have like 50 favourite games.
>Your post had clear tone of spite around.
>>"Hehe, I'm going to shit talk this game, and you're going to TAKE IT, BITCH".
>Why are you like that?
You're an overly sensitive one, aren't you

>>11943540
No, I'm just able to detect spite.

>>11943541
In the mirror too?

>>11943436
Dragon Quest II (Enemies give more EXP in NA version.)
Dragon Quest III (Enemies give more EXP and gold in NA version.)
The Magic of Scheherazade (Leveling up takes much longer in the JP version, and the map is bigger and more complex.)
MOTHER (Various maps were simplified in NA version. NA version went unreleased, but the intention is evident from the proto.)
Contra (1st loop in JP version is 2nd loop in NA version.)
Kid Icarus (Significantly nerfed final level. Best ending requirements nerfed.)
Super Mario Bros. 2 (lol)
Super Mario Bros. 3 (Getting hit while powered up reverts you to Super Mario in the NA version and Small Mario in the JP version.)
Ghosts'n Goblins (In the NA version, the continue option is in the menu. In the JP version, its locked behind a code, meaning using it is cheating.)
Gun.Smoke (Same as above.)
Ikari III: The Rescue (JP version gives you three continues. NA version gives you unlimited.)
Karnov (JP version gives you two continues. NA version gives you unlimited. Continues in the JP version require a code, so using them is cheating anyway.)
Mega Man 2 (Adds an easy mode to the NA version under the title "NORMAL." "DIFFICULT" is the only difficulty in the JP version.)
Castlequest (You get 50 lives in the NA version but only three in the JP version)
Adventures of Lolo (In Japan, this series is known as Eggerland and has more than twice as many games. The NA games are essentially "best of" level packs from the JP games. The JP games have exclusive levels that are much harder than anything in the NA games.)
Adventures of Lolo 2 (See above.)
Adventures of Lolo 3 (See above. Also, bosses have half as much HP in the NA version.)
Kirby's Adventure (Boss rush in JP version gives you a full heal after fight #5. This is removed from the NA version, making the only challenging thing in the game way harder.)
Bubble Bobble Part 2 (Rounds were edited in the NA version to have fewer enemies.)

I'm too lazy to get to 50 but you get the idea.

>>11943745
> In the JP version, its locked behind a code, meaning using it is cheating.

Yes but no. That was the standard at the time for many many, many MANY games. Everyone knew about it, and tons of games even used the same input (down + a button) to continue, that's how "hidden" it was.
It was simply the devs ways of simulating inserting a coin at the arcade because console gaming was still seen as "arcade at home". The difference in the continue being shown in the US version can be explained by two things: being released later (standards changed and even Japanese games started showing the continues in the menu by the late 80's), and everyone who knows anything about arcade gaming in Japan vs US knows that the Japanese tended to like restarting the game over with their coin while in the US players liked to continue where they died.

Secondly, many of the games you mentionned are completely different games: Magic of Scheherazade, Adventures of Lolo games etc etc while you make it sound like it's just "balance changes" when in reality they're completely different versions.

There are also cases where the rebalancing can be explained by the JAPANESE complaining that the game was too hard: see the reception for Mega Man 2, Dragon Quest 2, Dragon Quest 3 and Mother for instance. Players in *Japan* complained that those games were too hard so of course the devs thought it was a good idea to rebalance them for release.
Some of those like the DQ games came out YEARS afterwards in the west and if you know anything about video games is that the general difficulty of games has been on a downward slope since forever, meaning that games from 1989-90 would be easier than games from 87-88.

So out of those you got maybe a couple that are valid.

You haven't beaten at the VERY least 30 games on a major platform (NES, SNES, GB, Megadrive, PSX, Saturn, DOS etc) then you don't know SHIT about said platform and your opinion is invalid. Make that number 10 for the N64 becausea it has no games; also if you're a console warrior all your opinions are also invalid.

>>11943754
>Americans are more inclined to credit feed than Japanese people.
>We reworked this game into a different game that happens to be orders of magnitude easier.
>Japanese people complained the game was too hard, so we listened to them and nerfed the game for the international release.
These things may not be directly "making games harder in Japan," but none of them bode well for the "most American releases were made harder" crowd. Honestly, the reality of the situation is that 99% of games have identical difficulty across all regions. The average gamer in Japan is about as skilled as the average gamer in America, which is to say they suck ass and probably can't even beat Super Mario Bros. without warps.

>>11942801
Ironically, the Zelda map thing that started this whole discussion isn't even true. The Japanese manual includes the same map.

Also if you haven't beaten at least one game on each of the following platforms:

>Master System
>PC-E/TG16
>Wonderswan
>Lynx
>Neo Geo Pocket
>Game Gear
>X68000
>MSX
>PC88-98

Then you also don't know SHIT about video games. This is how you really gatekeep from the nostalgia fags and trend chasers.

>>11943789
>The Japanese manual includes the same map.

That's a half truth. The original FDS release didn't have a map and that is what sold the most. It's only the 1993 cartridge release which came with the map.

>The average gamer in Japan is about as skilled as the average gamer in America

I disagree because of one thing: the most played genre in Japan was RPG (starting from 1987 that is), the most played genre in the US was action games.
Of course players naturally would become better since that's what they played the most, THIS is why in the US magazines and players shat on action games that were too easy and praised hard games while at the same time, having walkthrough bundled with RPGs was the norm (unlike in Japan). It's simply a matter of being more used to something they played more.

There has been for a long time this opinion in the west that the Japanese players were "hardcore" but that's only looking at things through the spectrum of the niche that were famous for doing exploits, rather than looking at the norm. It's like how the PC-Engine is memed to be the "SHMUP console" in the west but if you look at the numbers most best sellers were RPGs and Adventure games.

>>11943782
lol calling someone a console warrior while taking shots at a specific console just like a console warrior would do. Kekasauras

>>11943815
that's the joke

>>11943745
>cant name 50
owned

>>11943801
That image is from the disk system version's manual.
https://archive.org/details/booklet_loz_jp/mode/2up

Comparing people who play action games to people who play non-action games is entirely pointless. The developer of each game is going to focus on their target audience and balance the difficulty around them. There's a sentiment on this board that within each genre the target audiences of each region are substantially different from each other, and my overarching point is that's largely not true. MOST games are identical, and for games that aren't, which version is harder can go either way.

>>11943821
If you limit yourself to NES games as I did, you can't name 50 the other way either.

>>11943832
>That image is from the disk system version's manual.

Oh, I didn't realize but dude, that's like 1/4th or 1/5th the size of the map that came with the cartridge versions (US and JP), which also added hints with the map

>Comparing people who play action games to people who play non-action games is entirely pointless.

I don't think seperating target audiances per genre is such a good idea. I don't know anyone who only plays a single genre, but everyone has one or two genres they specialize in. I'm sure most RPG players in Japan also played action games, and a lot of action game players in the west also played RPGs; but there naturally would be more RPG "specialists" in Japan and more action game "specialists" in the west.
Also, while some games definitely only try to appeal to a target core audiance, a lot of games also try to appeal to everyone and reach being the dedicated core audiance to sell more. "Contra doesn't sell in Japan compared to the west? Then how about we add a life bar to give those who specialize in RPG and adventure games a fighting chance?", is how I think things went.

>>11943832
>That image is from the disk system version's manual.

Oh, I didn't realize but dude, that's like 1/4th or 1/5th the size of the map that came with the cartridge versions (US and JP), which also added hints with the map

>Comparing people who play action games to people who play non-action games is entirely pointless.

I don't think seperating target audiances per genre is such a good idea. I don't know anyone who only plays a single genre, but everyone has one or two genres they specialize in. I'm sure most RPG players in Japan also played action games, and a lot of action game players in the west also played RPGs; but there naturally would be more RPG "specialists" in Japan and more action game "specialists" in the west.
Also, while some games definitely only try to appeal to a target core audiance, a lot of games also try to appeal to everyone and reach beyond the dedicated core audiance to sell more. "Contra doesn't sell in Japan compared to the west? Then how about we add a life bar to give those who specialize in RPG and adventure games a fighting chance?", is how I think things went.

>>11943850
I think the inclusion of a map with the cartridge version but not the disk version has less to do with the versions having different target audiences and more to do with the fact that the packaging for FDS games is about the size of a post-it note. There's no way a full ass foldable map is going to fit in there.

I am aware that most people don't play single genres. What I meant to suggest is that RPGs being more popular in Japan does not mean that shmups are going to suddenly be easier. That's what >>11943801 is implying.

>>11942710 (OP)
How do you verify that someone beat the game? I mean, not everyone takes a screenshot of the game they've played

>>11943745
Funny that you mention jRPGs, which are intrinsically dumbed down easy versions of American RPGs.

>>11943956
Japan isn't above autistic video games. Just look at Koei.

>>11943872
Most SHMUPs only appealed to their core audiance, it's not comparable to action games like Castlevania 3, Ninja Gaiden 3 or even Contra Hard Corps which are have a more general and widespread appeal and target

>>11943962
What, like Nobunaga? That's just a series of bad strategy games, not nearly enough crunch to even be considered autistic.

>>11943745
> (Enemies give more EXP in NA version.)
How does that change difficulty if it just saves you grinding time?
> (JP version gives you three continues. NA version gives you unlimited.)
Limited continues is a dumb artificial difficulty feature and it's simply annoying. It's good for turboautists though.

>>11942710 (OP)
Playing /vr/ games on your phone is fucking awful and you should feel embarrassed.

I don't give a fuck if you buy expensive accessories and gamepads to stick on the side of your phone.
I don't give a shit if you have a 1247gb SD Card with all games known to man.
I don't care about how many emulators you go on your Samsung Galaxy.

Sit the fuck down, grab a controller or a proper handheld, preferably original hardware that's modded, and stop living in this zoomer world where you do everything with your phone.

>>11942903
This.

Whenever the topic of gaming is brought up in a social situation, I never claim I'm a "gamer".
I just say I'm into old stuff, mostly old PS1, and it's usually a good conversation starter.
If the conversation deviates into modern gaming, I just sandbag the person and say I'm pretty clueless about anything post PS3 and X360, which is honestly the truth.

I'd rather have someone remember me as the guy that has a bunch of old consoles at home, rather than the guy that plays FIFA and Fornite.

>>11942861
>t. thirdie phone gamer

>>11942710 (OP)
If they aren't exactly like me in every single way, they aren't a real gamer, they aren't even a real person.

/thread

>>11944028
Caring what other people think…. NGMI

>>11942712
>he didn't buy his copy loose 15 years after release from a doña at a flea market
ngmi

>>11942710 (OP)
>I played it for 30min
>here is my opinion
That's who I gatekeep from

>>11944047
You're so brave

>>11944089
30 mins? Try 3.

>>11943791
>>X68000
>>MSX
>>PC88-98
What if I haven't beaten a game on them yet because I currently don't have the hardware, but I have beaten games on a FM-7, Tandy CoCo, Amiga 2000 and TI99?

People who comment on retro games they haven't even tried, good or bad, are the ones that piss me off. I have a coworker who insists that Super Castlevania IV is the best Castlevania because AVGN said so, and that Sonic CD is one of the worst games ever because some other youtuber said so.

>>11944047
>"Yeah im a gamer."
>coworkers immediately think im some shut-in/pervert/eSports fag/transsexual
>some of those things may be true, but they dont need to know that

>>11944338
Well now you know. And don't forget, people don't do that for other topics too, not just video games.

>>11942710 (OP)
AI is NOT retro.

>>11943545
You're really insecure.

>>11943484
You'd be surprised to know there's a subset of autists out there who find camera systems IN GENERAL to be a hinderance when using a controller. It's a weirdly specific gripe that not many people put thought into.

>>11943979
>Koei
>bad
You're out of your mind, those are some of the best grand strategy games on console. They have surprising depth and are well-crafted. I will agree though that they're not autistic, just cerebral.

>>11944013
>zoomer
Phone gaming is a third worlder thing though. The hand in your picture isn't white

>>11942710 (OP)
Anyone who can't recognize that smash melee is not only easily the best smash title but a top 3 fighting game all time are idiotic cattle in my eyes that are too dumb to play/comprehend the game

Anyone who bashes dkc1 are elitist

Anyone who doesn't "get" final fantasy are soulless

>>11943521
Moron

>>11942710 (OP)
>you're not a real retro gamer if you don't play Nintendo games
Why is playing Nintendo games mandatory to be a real retro gamer? What if I'm not interested in Nintendo games. You're aware there are tons of non-Nintendo retro games right?

>>11942726
This is the correct answer, and what is correct is sacred.

>>11944165
For sure

>>11942903
I just assume everyone plays games so saying "I'm a gamer" is like saying "'yeah I'm a television watcher" or "yeah I'm a smartphone user"

>>11943010
Funny I gatekeep from weebo faggots

>>11942726
So if you grew up before the 90s, you're just fucked?

>>11945596
Explain how you learn a skill.

>>11945782
By putting information to action.

If you care more about your social standing as a "gaming OG" than actually playing games for enjoyment, then you are the "poser."
It's that simple.
I was born in the '80s and grew up on 8-bit first, it doesn't mean shit.

>>11945791
And you acquire information through...

>>11945807
Unless you put it to action you don't retain.

>>11945817
So just like I initially stated here. >>11943058

>>11943448
Funny how mentioning OoT specifically got a rise out of you.

>>11942710 (OP)
>Mine: If someone hasn't beaten at least one classic 2D Mario game than they're not a real retro gamer, they're a poser.

I've beaten all of the classic Mario games, including SMB2J, and SM64... and all of the original SML games as well as the Wario Land games. But from the Gamecube era onwards, things get a little sketchy for me.

>>11942710 (OP)
>If you didn't beat Zelda 1 without a guide than you didn't beat the game. You need to draw a map while you play and find everything on your own.

The original legend of Zelda isn't that complex. I could beat it without a map when I was a kid. I also was ADD as fuck about that game and would also burn every tree I could and hit my sword on every wall looking for hollow areas. I can still navigate the lost woods without looking up the directions how. It is burned into my brain.

>>11945553
>Anyone who can't recognize that smash melee is not only easily the best smash title but a top 3 fighting game all time are idiotic cattle in my eyes that are too dumb to play/comprehend the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEA9QSM1BUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpuBAFGI4jo

>>11943021
>He doesn't like Bing Bing Wahoo! so he surely must be a try hard that wants to feel mature!
I like a lot of lighthearted IPs and play them often, I simply don't care for Mario, no need to project or get defensive over someone not liking what you like, that right there is childish indeed.

Call me a poser if you want, but all 2D side scrollers besides Megaman X are boring and basically all the same.

>>11945824
Do you enjoy making your self look like a moron so you can inflate your useless ego?

>>11945969
"Mario" as a thing encapsulates hundreds of games and basically every genre, they are generally well made, and if you like games as a thing you're bound to like one of them.
The only reasons not to are "eww, poopy! Thing popular!" or "Ew poopy, this isn't on *my* console of choice!". Both of which are positions taken by people who don't really care about games.

"Bing bing wahoo" is just plain not an argument. That's a Wojack meme about playing your DS outside.

>>11946580
>The only reasons not to are "eww, poopy! Thing popular!" or "Ew poopy, this isn't on *my* console of choice!"
Incorrect, I legitimately hate Italians.

>>11946586
My grandfather hated Italians. I think he thought they were all criminals. I don't know. It never made sense to me.
I have an irrational dislike for the Irish and the Scottish. Nothing too extreme. Just this strange inclination. Maybe old school racism is just in my genes.

>>11946590
It's prejudicial preference, not racism. I don't think they are inferior or criminals or ugly. I just hate their language and culture and music and food and accents. I also don't like plumbers.
It's okay to have dislikes.

>>11946590
>Irish, Scottish, and Northern English background
>do seem to genuinely dislike the Southern English and the French on some deep guttural level.
It's a real thing. They talk funny, and they're gay.

>>11942710 (OP)
everything is stupid. crts, save states, 1cc, original hardware, neocon controllers, MAME, and shader threads. dont take any of it seriously

>>11946638
It don't matter. None of this matters.

>>11946640
Thanks, Carl.

>>11942713
You sound like a poser

>>11946580
I don't think they're bad, I just don't care for Mario and often find his titles safe and dull, it's just not appealing to me, why is that so hard to accept? Why so much projection over my reasonings?

>>11942786
what does auster mean? No one even knows?

>>11943021
>You're unironically a poser if you don't like Mario.

Not being able to get the nanotech boost in RaC2 the proper way. I wouldn't gatekeep on proper retro games because
>>11945983
>Call me a poser if you want, but all 2D side scrollers besides Megaman X are boring and basically all the same.
this

It's an obvious one but you'd be amazed how often it works
Simply ask
>have you actually played the game?
Not even finished, but just played
This happens less IRL, but constantly on 4chan, where it's obvious people haven't even touched a game

>>11943048
That's kind of ridiculous and you either had prior knowledge or read the manual because too much important information is in both.

>>11948780
>That's kind of ridiculous
Do people on this board just not have intuition and basic problem solving skills, or?

>>11948810
How would you know what to even look for or what items do if you did not read the manual and couldn't even read any text in the game. Did you just literally trial and error every single thing forever? Sounds dumb.

>>11942716
>has anyone every actually gatekept?
no because it's a self-defeating practice.

at best if no new blood comes into your hobby then it's going to die with you (something i feel like most people here want) and at worst then congratulations! you just turned the hobby into a politicized battleground for culture war nonsense and ended up unintentionally inviting the very faggots you wanna keep out.

>>11948265
Austrian scottformer.

>>11944051
>he didn't get it at launch
>tries to flex about it
Get the fuck off my board, Zennial cretin!

>>11948880
Such mind bending puzzles like "push block in conspicuously empty room" or "use candle in dark room." How could anyone ever figure that out without a guide????? Or like when the item you use to defeat the boss is the item you first picked up 3 minutes ago. How could the developers ever expect you to know what to do????

>>11942710 (OP)
>Mario game
Utter shit. Sorry about time someone told you. In the sea of platformers it is just another one and nothing special.No one gives a fuck if you're a speedrunner you know its not based at all. Ninetendo is not fucking madatory for anything and the fact you posted that just shows how divorced from the 30,000+ retro games that are NOT nintendo. You're the very thing wrong with Ninendo posters in another stinky thread. Nintendo mainly made childrens toys for tards. Nod if you understand.

>>11942710 (OP)
>If you didn't beat Zelda 1
Its fucking woeful. For fuck sake stop with the nintendo shit and breathe some other retro how can you keep playing the same handful of stale not great not awful nintendo thrash?

>>11942710 (OP)
Nothing. I dont care about elitism, I just enjoy games.

>>11949096
What about going in the waterfall? Did you just try all waterfalls? How did you figure out what the blue and red rings did? Or the power bracelet? How about the letter to the old lady? I'm sure there are more and better examples. You need that to move rocks. Just kept trying everything? Again, sounds fucking dumb. Congrats on playing the dumb way but still sounds like bullshit.

>>11949096
What about going in the waterfall? Did you just try all waterfalls? Or the power bracelet? You need that to move rocks. How about the letter to the old lady? How about just knowing what the red and blue rings did so you can look for them? I'm sure there are more and better examples. Just kept trying everything? Again, sounds fucking dumb. Congrats on playing the dumb way but still sounds like bullshit.

>>11949657
There's only one waterfall, and walking into is something I tried immediately because The Legend of Zelda is not the first video game I have ever played. I acquired the red and blue rings and figured out what they did since changing your color palette and taking significantly less damage every time you get hit is not a subtle effect. I found the power bracelet and discovered pushable rocks, but I did not know there was a cause and effect relationship between those two things until right now. I know I completed the letter side quest since I remember buying potions. This was years ago so I don't know exactly what was going through my mind at every moment of the playthrough. I probably thought "wow what's up with these NPCs who sit in silence and do nothing?," opened my inventory, thought "maybe its related to this item an NPC gave me earlier," and used the letter. Nothing in this game is that cryptic, and there's barely any text so being able to read doesn't really matter.

>>11942716
its been pretty standard imageboard operating procedure, for literally as long as i can remember, to give stupid answers to stupid questions. and/or just insult them. usually both.
on a slower, cozier board, like what this one used to be, youd often see much more normal replies, even to the rather stupid and banal questions.
but after a certain point, you can really only handle x amount of "GTA3 is LIDERALLY impossible" threads before you snap back into old habits

>>11942716
People still try to gatekeep on 4chan despite fewer and fewer new people coming in.

>>11949714
ppl get salty about
>ZOMG i have to burn every single bush??
but, from my memory, the only bush you NEED to burn is the one to the final dungeon. and not only is it a REAL obvious bush, but its one that youll almost certainly incidentally burn and find prior to needing to find it, just by trying to use it as a shortcut

now second quest is a whole other story, and is oftentimes extremely opaque. but its also literally supposed to be that, as its second quest.
i remember i had to ask my 8th grade art teacher, who was a huge zelda 1 fan, "why my game was glitched and i couldnt attack". he immediately knew
>wait are you on 2nd quest?
>did you get hit by a red bubble?
>youre cursed
>go back and get hit by a blue bubble
lol he even knew which early dungeons had them

>>11942713
>a redditeur
>in a gatekeeping thread
fair, that's where you belong I guess

>>11949779
>lol he even knew which early dungeons had them
That's awesome haha. When I played the 2nd quest, I got stumped for a while by first fake wall you have to walk into. I had already marked it as checked in my notes since I bombed it. I figured it out eventually, but that's the thing that walled me the longest.

>>11949027
The new blood worth having around, integrate themselves without ever drawing attention to themselves.

>>11942832
>if you didn't 1cc it, you didn't beat the game.
as an addendum to this, you may only use savestates where the game lets you save.
Like other anons, I'm not that much into gatekeeping, and would rather welcome the zoomers in. However, it does help to properly define winning.

>>11942710 (OP)
>What's your personal /vr/ gatekeeping criteria?

if someone likes ugly female characters is a poser.

>>11952387
>you may only use savestates where the game lets you save
?
what's the fucking point then

>>11952440
it's a matter of convenience, so that you don't have to deal with passwords or other issues (eg the spell charges glitch in ff1).
Also, I'm not saying savestates are haram or anything, they're great for practicing a game, or getting down a difficult section (to avoid monotony). Likewise, it's fine to burn continues as you're learning the game and git'n gud.
I'm arguing that, to truly say you beat the game, you need to 1cc it, and do it without savestates except where you can save anyway (as a convenient alternative).