Thread 11946071

You know what to do. I'll start with saying anything that came before the NES is worthless and effectively unplayable today.

>>11946071 (OP)
Arcade games, pinball

>>11946071 (OP)
Treasure and Cave are both shit companies.

>>11946071 (OP)
As a videogame, shadow of the colossus sucks. It is a boring walking simulator with the only redeeming qualities being the two minutes you have fighting each of the 16 enemies in the game. It would have been better as a digital art gallery showing off paintings on a website accompanied by the soundtrack.

>>11946071 (OP)
Super Mario Sunshine is the best 3D mario
It should be called a Contravania
VNs are games

windwaker is fun

>>11946071 (OP)
Hyper Fighting was the best SF2
Streets of Rage mogs Final Fight
The GTA games are really boring once rampaging around loses its novelty
Max Payne is superior to its sequel
Bubsy was fun, you just sucked at it

Games age

Pokemon was never good but at least Red and Blue had cultural hype going for them

halo ce is really good and also an arena shooter

>>11946079
that' not an unpopular opinion, anyone who is not a drooling drone know this.
All Ueda games suck major ass.

Playing video games is fun, especially when you're playing them for no other reason than to have fun.

>>11946115
That's a popular opinion outside 4chin

>>11946121
You'd be surprised,.

I don't hate zoomers

guardian heroes is the best console only beatem up of all time
ps2 kinda fucking blows, i've played one a lot and there's like maybe 2 dozen games I think are actually worth playing
consoles after 1999 aren't retro

I like the N64 more than the PS1 (I grew up with both consoles).

>>11946087
>Max Payne is superior to its sequel
that's not an unpopular opinion, it is widely agreed on MP1 is better than 2

>>11946071 (OP)
Sage

>>11946071 (OP)
Chrono Trigger is a 5/10 jrpg and Phantasy Star 3 deserves all of the glazing that Chronomid got.

Any game that doesnt have a physical copy version released, is worthless.

Any game that requires the internet to play, is worthless.

In general, the internet has made video games worse.

Zeebo version of resident evil 4 is the most artistically ambitious

>>11946156
had you said 4 I would have agreed

>>11946164
While most of it was slop there were well made and good mobile games on the iPhone or itouch (what I had) back in the early 2010s that are gone now, stuff like that or hidden gem games like stuff on the old Xbox 360 arcade store come to mind when I hear the no physical games suck thing. I know some people have archived some old Apple Store games but you would need to somehow get an older iPhone off eBay or something and then I have no clue how you would transfer the games people have archived onto the device and the entire process just sounds like a bunch of shit. Probably would need to use some old version of iTunes as well and maybe even an older computer that supports that iTunes version perhaps.im very nostalgic for the very old mobile games from like 2010-2014 because a lot of them had that sort of newgrounds approach where the games were just fun and not meant to extract microttansactions out of you. Last mobile game I played was probably in 2014 because they were changing too much and getting shittier.

>>11946174
now you are taking me back
I remember arguing with my older brother who thought that mobile gaming was going to eventually make console gaming completely irrelevant. I kind of wish he was right if only mobile gaming didn't turn into complete casino tier slop and fake games.

>>11946079
I thought it was a fun puzzle game with light action elements and a boring exploration component to it that prevented it from being a truly good game. Not bad, I don't regret playing it, but I beat it once and will never boot it again.

>>11946087
>Streets of Rage mogs Final Fight
Is that an unpopular opinion?

Paper Mario 64 is better than TTYD

Fuck you all Quake 2 was a great game

>>11946079
As a game? Yeah I guess not the best.
As an experience/art piece? I mean, it definitely accomplished it's job.
Like how not every film is supposed to be some fun romp with great set pieces and a huge budget. Some films are experimental slow burns made to make you think or otherwise evoke emotion.
It's a case of simply using video games as a medium to express an idea, and there should always be a place for games like that.

>>11946071 (OP)
When emulating, using a controller with a completely wrong shape or button layout hurts the experience a lot more than the lack of CRT distortion and other audiovisual aspects

I had the most fun playing DMC2 out of 1, 2, and 3.

I'm gonna bump that up and say that aside from maybe 20 to 30 games, anything that came out on home consoles before the 4th gen is more of just a novelty.
Like, yeah Mega Man and Mario are great, but Zelda and Metroid prior to the SNES? Kinda crap.

If you can't enjoy games older than the NES, I won't take your opinion seriously. Score is the best scale for determining skill

Anything over 20 years old counts as retro.

Modern games that try to mimic the difficulty and art of older games should be praised, not scorned.

>>11946340
Depends on what you mean. Atari games are dogshit barebones experiences.
But yeah I guess Galaga and Space Invaders is alright. Still nothing compared to what came after.

>>11946089
Okay, now you SHUT your fucking mouth

>>11946340
>I won't take your opinion seriously
WTF?? No dude, please... anything but that :(

>>11946075
So true sista. The only good shmups are memoshit like Raiden and Samex3!

Randomizers are fun as fuck and breathe new life into old games.

NES is pollution, spectrum and Amiga were best home computers, arcade games were the best video game experience.

And saying games before NES were crap isn't an unpopular opinion, it's the majority opinion here. Or at least the loudest opinion spammed over and over by the same morons.

>>11946089
No one argues over this anymore, because I think everyone finally realized both sides were in agreement, it was just semantics they were arguing about. Some people would say games don't age because they don't change, it's the world around them that changed, and modern opinions and views on games are different from contemporary ones. To which the response is, that's what "this game aged" means.

Heretic is better than Doom
Half Life 2 aged spectacularly well
7th generation will never be retro
Atari games are more fun than NES and SNES games

windwaker is the best zelda game

Fixed camera angles suck ass and render games unplayable

>>11946221
Quake 2 and Doom the Dark Ages are similar in that they both have very mediocre campaigns because they are functionally tech demos to promote hardware and new tech BUT Quake 2 as it is today is fantastic since the components were always there and the re-release much like the Heretic + Hexen re-release fix several pacing issues that prevented the games from being engaging, and the game is further elevated through map jams.
The N64 and PS1 map jams by map center are phenomenal.

I hope Dark Ages one day gets there since it is still receiving support and gradually getting better but the hardware requirements and ridiculous pricing still work against it.

That out of the way, I was playing vanilla Quake 2 and it is not all that good because
-Enemies are slow and sometimes oblivious
-Enemies might spawn if you take a certain route, most notably in the first level so you might miss a 100% kills
-You quickly become OP even in hard.
-The machinegun recoil is nuts

If you would rather cut your nutsack before playing the Bethesda re-release, Quake 2 N64 is the best version of the vanilla game.

>>11946340
Hi Billy.
Thanks for destroying Karl Jobst, love the sauce by the way but...
Depends, I like Pac-Man but score is pretty autistic and people rely on finding exploits. Competing for a good local score with friends or with the entire class, maybe even the school was fun.

Speedrunning and WR any % records are retarded and gay that rob the fun out of playing the game as it was intended.

>>11946468
You mean Resident Evil?

>>11946071 (OP)
Phantasy Star IV is better than Chrono Trigger

>>11946071 (OP)
thats not at all an unpopular opinion, the modern /vr/ crowd cant even handle gen 5 games. also youre very much wrong as theres a ton of still fun arcade games.

cube has more games worth going back to now than ps2, same with 64 and ps1 (unless youre into jrpgs then ps1 obviously wins). I grew up highly preferring both sony consoles btw.

>>11946418
This isn't aging, aging is a slide towards expiration, non-revocable change. People aren't a monolith, so games can't age relative to them, rather the individual changes relative to their experiences. Saying a game aged doesn't say anything about anyone but yourself and it's so vague as to be lazy.

>>11946490
someone spoiled the big character death for me on this forum and its killed my motivation to play it. god damn it /vr/. they spoiled the death in 3 too.

>>11946520
This is semantics again. I agree it's somewhat counterintuitive to say the context a game exists in has changed by essentially expressing that the game itself has changed, but that's how people do it. No one literally thinks retro games have changed, that the contents of an NES cartridge are different now than they were forty years ago, they're just using that sort of wording. It makes sense when you think of the alternative, where people say something is "timeless". That's considered praiseworthy because it means a game is good even when held to modern standards. Or when something is actually considered better now than when it first came out, and people say it "aged like fine wine" or whatever. That could be where this phrasing started. Games don't literally change over time like wine or milk do, but the experience of playing a game that came out decades ago and finding it's not as good as it used to be, or still every bit as good, is analogous to having a glass of wine or milk or whatever else.

But yes I agree it's not really a meaningful criticism, at least not to people who enjoy this hobby, and I never use the phrase myself.

>>11946079
I simply disagree. Replaying now on PS2 and it is genuinely rewarding to figure out the boss strategy most every time. Is the traversal boring? Sometimes. It definitely has its moments. You can spend like 70% of the game time only fighting bosses.

>>11946589
Context is relative to the individual. So, yeah, it's a meaningless descriptor, often used by people when they can't clarify exactly what they found distasteful or clunky and who try to wield consensus and "progress" as tools to offset their lack of introspection

>>11946479
competing locally is the entire point brother

why is this /v/ tier dogshit thread still up?

>>11946634
>NOOOOOO WE CAN ONLY DISCUSS ZELDA AND SUPER METROID HERE
faggot

haunted castle is fun

>>11946071 (OP)
this is still objectively wrong retard
you spam this nonsense constantly
you are proven wrong time and time again
you continue your drivel for years on end here?
WHY? are you too stupid to learn?
you cant just change\grow\learn?
why?/

>>11946741
I have no idea why you included a photo of Sexy Invaders in your post, but I agree anon.

>>11946483
Yes and Silent Hill

>>11946741
holy schizo

>>11946720
Controversial opinion threads on 4chan are always the same thing - people racing to say the most retarded thing possible to bait as many people as they can. There is no value in them.

>>11946813
>people racing to say the most retarded thing possible to bait as many people as they can
It's the opposite. Most people say really lukewarm mainstream shit. I rarely come across upon a true controversial statement.

I hate almost everything about Donkey Kong Country 2, only the music is good in a few levels
But I love 1 and like 3 a bit

>>11946093
I agree with that.
I cringe when I think back to the times I played Pokemon, it's just really stupid. I see it's still popular with some kids today, maybe not to same extent. The first gen at least has some redeeming value.

>>11946071 (OP)
>Unpopular /vr/ opinions
Zoomers don't like old games because old games are worse than what they have available

>>11946882
Then why the fuck are you posting here?

>>11946883
This is a thread asking for unpopular opinions

>>11946882
Agree for most multiplayer genres except MMORPGs
For single player games I think retro is much better on average, zoomers don't know what they're missing out

>>11946071 (OP)
I think most people would agree with this, at least when i comes to home gaming and not arcade.

Some opinions have been posted already
>Majora's Mask is a great concept, made into the game that is hell bent on ruining your enjoyment. It's too hard and rushed and the constant stressing over timer gets old fast
>Mario Sunshine is peak 3D platformer
>GTA3 plays like a beta. Shit city, bland music, rushed missions. If you disagree you can suck my dick
>Zero Mission is forgettable and mediocre
>FF6 is a joke. Literally no gameplay, clown plot, but oh we throw a new character at you every hour. No I'm not waiting for disc 2 for it to "get good", this is everything people hate about JRPGs
>All boomer shooters are boring today, few exceptions
>5th gen in general isn't great save for OOT/SM64 and 2D games, both SNES and PS2 were more polished

Rpgs sucks.
Final Fantasy is a shit franchise
Chrono Trigger and Earthbound are the only rpgs games that worth to play.

>>11946071 (OP)
That's a popular opinion retard
And if you mean console games, then yeah they're worthless. ARCADE GAMES, HOWEVER, the golden age of old-school arcade twitch-reaction survival-scoring games was in 1980-1983. Robotron 2084, Joust, Mappy, and Mario Bros. are some of the best games ever made and still hold up to this day.

>>11946221
Quake 2 psx is beautiful and the fact that nobody ripped the textures and colored lighting for pc breaks my heart

>>11946930
>>Majora's Mask is a great concept, made into the game that is hell bent on ruining your enjoyment. It's too hard and rushed and the constant stressing over timer gets old fast
>>Mario Sunshine is peak 3D platformer
I can agree somewhat these. A bit with FF6

>>11946071 (OP)
Meinkraft is gud.

every single final fantasy game is 1. gay 2. so easy a child that doesnt know how to read can beat it, and this has been accomplished many times, including and especially ESL that can't read any of it at all. It's a text-based game that doesn't require you to read because it's so easy by design. (this same can be said for many JRPG's.) 3. a shitpost fantasy universe where nothing is taken seriously, so why would i take it seriously? 4. i'll just say gay again, you're throwing banana peels at people and stuff what a 10/10 classic

The whole franchise is banking on the fact that all of the old "classic" ones came out back before people owned computers and didn't have anything better to do. it's like if the Twilight book series were given to a bunch of 1600 englishmen. They would've loved it. there was very little fiction written at the time. final fantasy 7 is exactly this scenario.

better JRPG's existed but they were ignored by the zeitgeist because they were too difficult or they didn't print enough copies/didnt market it correctly.

Also this actually applies to any game Square ever released basically, but final fantasy makes me the angriest. Chrono Cross/Trigger has zero merit besides having flashy animations. braindead retards that can't read at all see a jrpg that has fighting game animations drawn by the Dragon Ball guy and they give it a billion dollars and pretend it's 10/10.

most of capcom is good aesthetic over clunky shit

>>11946071 (OP)
>the NES is worthless and effectively unplayable today.
this but also the 3rd generation. it's still too primitive save maybe the super mario and castlevania games. 4th gen is where things heat up and the audio/visual fidelity improves so much that actually unique games are able to be crafted.

>>11946886
this board has someone kvetching about zoomers in the majority of threads so no i'd say that's a popular opinion here

>>11947000
That's because the psx version was made with another engine, so a port 1:1 is not possible. There's an add-on for Quake 2 remastered that tries to be as similar as the engine allows it.

>>11947209
not a unpopular opinion

>>11946071 (OP)
Turn based JRPGS are just not good "Games". You may like the story, music etc. But Final Fantasy is glorified manga with a bit of number crunching and a fuckload of padding. They barely qualify as "games". You barely interact with anything. Stuff like Chrono Trigger is alright because it tried to progress the genre, and action JRPGs are actually interactive games with real combat.

>>11946087
>Streets of Rage mogs Final Fight
This is not an unpopular opinion

>>11947371
They're just too easy to take advantage of any depth there might be, and the option to grind levels is always there anyways.

>>11946121
Believe, no

PS2 sucks hard and only thirdworlders love it

>>11947145
>including and especially ESL that can't read any of it at all
Can confirm. Beat FF7 and got to the last disc of FF9 which was damaged and I couldn't finish the game. I was around 12-14 at the time and due to a lack of English skills would miss half of the plot and had no idea what the stats did, what half of the equipment or magic did, etc. If I could beat it being illiterate and being a retard like every teenager, anyone else can do it even easier.

>Chrono Cross/Trigger has zero merit besides having flashy animations.
This too but also the soundtrack. The games have a certain charm but the gameplay is braindead.

Lucas games have the same amount of moon logic than Sierras games

>>11947480
thanks for the reply. my roommate is polish and beat all sorts of JRPG's in english he couldnt read a word of when he was like 10. its when i started to really seethe about these.
turn-based JRPG's are my favorite genre and it makes me so mad how Square and Nintendo (and now Atlus after the SEGA buyout) shit on the genre so hard and forever that its like once every 5 years a challenging one comes out.
when the genre is handled correctly, it's like singleplayer chess with extra flavor and extra steps and you have to really plan out every turn and bosses can take 30 minutes of strategy or 30 minutes of prep time. it's like the same dopamine people get from World of Warcraft raiding but you're alone and going at your own pace.
rogue trader is pretty good and has alot of jank mechanics that are fun to break if you've warmed up to them since you were a kid. its the only good one in recent years.

it's a genre for reading and strategy that nintendo sega and square have reduced to "watch an anime guy play a cool animation" it's basically sony movie games.
wizardry 8 is the best one ever made

>>11947567
Aren't there difficulty romhacks out for every game already

Almost all 5th gen games are worthless and effectively unplayable today.

All games that can be found online or buyable are playable today.

>>11947585
i refuse to play a baby game where i like cut my own legs off and dont use 50 mechanics and ignore a bunch of item pickups to make it fake hard. romhacks are just having a different guy cut your legs off for you.
i just play old SMT and wizardry 8 and whatever once a while when im butthurt about this.

>>11947651
Ok

>>11947567
Playing these games as a teenager made me completely give up as an adult, but recently I've been thinking about trying some of the harder ones like Wizardry and old SMT as you said, but also other dungeon crawlers that I've seen recommended on places like rpgcodex like Elminage.

>rogue trader
I just looked it up and it's made by owlcat. I played their first pathfinder game and while I enjoyed it, the enemy AI was beyond braindead and very exploitable. All the difficulty came from cutting your own legs as you say. Anyway, not /vr/ so I'm not gonna continue talking about it.

>>11946071 (OP)
Sonic wasn't ever "fundamentally flawed"
Sonic had some good 3D titles to it
Sonic's more fun that Mario

>>11946219
I tend to go back to 64 over TTYD as TTYD is quite a bit longer, and has some rather difficult moments when I'm in the mood for something a bit more laid back. I also appreciate 64 for having a very simple Mario vs Bowser plot. No bigger bad behind the scenes, no massive JRPG story, just Bowser stages another takeover, and Mario has to go on an adventure to stop him.

The final fight is also absolute kino.

>>11946071 (OP)
Nintendo first party games and console exclusives are for females children and autists I have NEVER ONCE met anyone in real life who thinks something like Ocarina of TIme even COMPARES just a little bit to something like Final Fantasy VII.

>>11946093
I was in elementary school when all the original Pokemon games came out no one thought they were good you mostly got them to PVP and trade with your friends and because the Game Boy lacked other good JRPG's. Such a shame the Digimon World games died a slow death, so many amazing pet raising games came out in the late 90s and early 2000's and the only fucking series that is still around is this fucking shit series made for toddlers.

>>11948459
>I was in elementary school when all the original Pokemon games came out
>no one thought they were good
nice try faggot zoomie. as someone who was actually in elementary school during pokemania everybody loved those games. better luck next larp

The Dreamcast is a fifth gen console.

I have no idea what gen lingo means. What is 5th gen? I dunno. Is it n64? gamecube? I dunno. Gen lingo is for faggots.

>>11948583
>a graph will teach my mind
no.. i'm sorry you bothered to google "video game generations" to copy a graph to paste to me. what gen is n64?

>>11948590
5th gen

>>11948603
should be 3rd gen. nes, snes, 64, are all that matters from that point.

>>11948474
Nah the Gameboy systems were fucking shit handhelds and kids only used them at school/family trips. One of the reasons people played Pokemon games was because there simply weren't that many other decent pet raising/Jrpg's available Are you also going to claim Nintendogs was an amazing game because every other kid owned that shit game for some reason...

>>11946071 (OP)
Emulation is better than real hardware

>>11948621
This is the norm brownoid opinion on /vr/, hardly controversial

>>11948621
True.

>>11948634
Proof.

>>11948612
by knowing that every kid owned nintendogs you've outed yourself as a zoomer.

>>11946071 (OP)
Anything over 20 years old is retro.

>>11946540
it happens so early though, it really shouldnt matter. its been a while since i played it, but its like the 3rd-5th mission/dungeon or something. its not like ff7 where its at the end of the game. its before anything really gets going. give it a try.

>>11948474
A new kid moved onto our neighbourhood and we accepted him because he too carried a gbc loaded with pokemon

>>11948817
Wow so Beethoven is retro? The Bible is retro? The pyramids are retro?
Dipshit.

>>11948631
brown is hanging onto things from decades ago and being unable to let go

This boards definition of "retro" is kindo retarded. History is fifteen years ago and older [[citation needed]]. This should be the convention of the board:

Systems released 15 or more years ago and any games for those systems.

pic related - it's what you fuckers want to do to me

>>11950718
Retro isn't defined by a flat number, it's defined by stark difference
X360 and PS3 games vs today's games differ only in graphical fidelity, all the same core design philosophies exist, there is no innovation, no hardware restrictions leading to clever solutions, no weird left-of-field shit like there was in the ages that this board defines as retro. And frankly even adding PS2 gen wasnt the most solid move

>>11950748
>it's defined by stark difference
Eh, sounds like cope. What's the difference between Metfoid and hollow knight

>>11950748
>>11950767
He actually has somewhat of a case when it comes to shader languages being introduced (PS3/XB360/WiiU) and how things were done before that. If you haven't seen it already, here's a nice thread about it:
>>11941636

But he's completely missing the point about "retro" being tightly intertwined with nostalgia. It just so happens that for people here they think "retro" just HAPPENS to be the systems they grew up with (and older).
But time marches on, so the goal post needs to be constantly be shifting. This is why I think 15 years is the proper limit.

>>11950767
The indie game? What about it?

>>11950781
>when it comes to shader languages
Cool stuff to be sure, but I don't like restrictions based on one aspect/subject. A bit narrow.

>>11950748
>Retro isn't defined by a flat number, it's defined by stark difference
source?

>>11950806
Is the Mona Lisa retro?

Emulators' developers, translators and romhackers aren't appreciated enough for their work.

>>11950802

I'm just saying that this retard;
>>11950748
has a half decent case to make that the step from a fixed pipeline to a programmable shader pipeline marks a clear difference in kind in what could be done for graphics.

Now, to have that particular historical event coincide perfectly with "retro" is quite retarded, as it's not also incorporating elements like nostalgia and childhood experiences. That's why I'm saying
>Systems which are ifteen years (or older) is a great cutoff limit for this board.

>>11950841
good one anon, i genuinely laughed out loud

>>11950847
>Systems which are fifteen years (or older) is a great cutoff limit for this board.
I agree

>>11950819
No?

>>11950847
>I think games from 2010 are different enough from games today to be considered retro
>but it's other people who are retarded

>>11950853
Really? It's more than 15 years old, or 20, or whatever arbitrary number people are arguing for in this thread.

>>11950538
You're an old man. Get back to shitting yourself.

>>11950819
Art style from long ago era that isn't exactly practiced today. Why wouldn't it be?

Is retro a period piece? Are we claiming every system prior to ps2 was one thing BUT THEN afterwards magically became something else entirely? Because if that is the case then the categorization needs some fine tuning.

>>11946071 (OP)
Dracula X is one of the best games in the SNES
>"Muh inferior port"
Back then no one even knew about the existence of some obscure japanese shit that 4 people owned, it was just another SNES game and it was cool as fuck

>>11946130
Ok now this is going too far, sir

>>11950931
Not him but you are clearly born to be a loser. And you know it.

>>11950942
the whole point is that gaming prior to PS2 era was eclectic in a way that modern gaming is not, and the genesis of this lack of variety dates back to the 360/PS3 generation

>>11950942
>magically
Are we really going to pretend to be so retarded that we're gonna say a wizard made 15 roughly identical yearly Call of Duty releases?
Do we really need to believe in fairies to understand why the recent Oblivion remaster is basically Skyrim: Tamriel?

>>11950976
>>11950980


tldr: Gaming today isn't what I grew up with and therefore inferior.

It is fine to feel that way but don't try to dress it up as if you aren't the boomer crying about yahoo! ruining kids from reading.

And really anon, releases that add virtually nothing is what you are going to use for a defense? From the eras that had Street Fighter, Megaman, Bomberman, Sports games, and other shit I'm overlooking?

>>11951004
>tldr: Gaming today isn't what I grew up with and therefore inferior.
Who are you paraphrasing? Nobody said any of this.
The fact is that game design philosophies essentially converged and ossified in the not-board-retro era in a way that defies the variety and eclecticism of the board-retro era. If you want to give yourself a stroke trying your hardest not to see that, have fun I guess?

>>11948583
this chart needs to break each gen up so that the 10 years of fifa releases that come out after the consoles are dead dont skew the graph to the right so hard

>>11950976
>>11950980
>>11951004
>>11951038

Surely the point here is that limitations on the creative endeavor enables works of art not possible unless those limitations were placed there in the first place.
I just see all you guys saying
>THIS set of constraints were the optimal ones, which bred the level of creativity which I enjoy.

And my point, again, is:
>This is almost exclusively you (as a historical being) clinging on to what you're familiar with.

Something which revolutionized the shader era certainly came with limitations too, even though those limitations were miles ahead of what had been seen before. You should note that they end the whole thing with "a lot of features planned"
https://www.guerrilla-games.com/read/deferred-rendering-in-killzone-2

But if you truly are making a case for
>muh limitations on the creative endeavor
then post pictures of your PlayDate devices! Put your fucking money where your mouth is.

And to prove many of you wrong, there ARE games being made which have self-imposed restrictions on style and manage something truly creative. Have a look yourselves:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/573170?snr=5000_5100__


>>11950976
What exactly do you mean by "eclectic"? Looking at a dictionary definition
>Selecting or employing individual elements from a variety of sources, systems, or styles.
doesn't make much sense with the way you're using the word.

Sports games are statistically more popular than any other famous franchise. I'm sure that more people have played games like Pes 6, ISSDX, Madden, NBA than Sonic Mario Zelda etc.

Crt shaders are useless

>>11951318
Fuck you. Now this is personal.

>>11946071 (OP)
I like playing my gameboy games using the gb operator more than using my modded oled gbc or my modded ips gba (non sp. Fuck sp cultists)

>>11946071 (OP)
People who think games made before 1985 are worthless, sit at the kids table during Thanksgiving dinner.

>>11951768
People who say this are mean console games. Console games before 1985 were dogshit desu

>>11946079
>>11946075
>>11946071 (OP)
What inspires air players to give their opinions like they matter?

>>11951785
Completely incorrect. Just tell everyone you're a non-player. Save us the time.

>>11951785
Well the vectrex was released in 83, so... No. The 5200 is a good console, despite the hate it receives. Mountain king on 5200 is the definitive version and it's a damn fun game. You've got cocks stuck on all the wrong spots, son

>>11950718
>>11950748
To me it's a matter of: what is this board for? When I open a retro board, I expect to see discussions about things like mascot platformers, arcade beat 'em ups, first person dungeon crawlers, point-and-click adventures... If I open a retro board and see people discussing things like battle royales, survival crafting and auto-chess I might as well go to /v/. On the other hand, I do understand that people who grew up with those would want their own place to talk about how Minecraft used to be better or whatever, but you can still get discussion about those on /v/ especially since newer generations are all about live service games that can last for decades.

>>11946071 (OP)
>anything that came before the NES is worthless and effectively unplayable today.
This. Pure score-based games (no 1CC/1-ALL condition) aren't fun to play at all unless it's on an arcade machine in a public place.

>>11952020
>When I open a retro board, I expect to see discussions about things like mascot platformers, arcade beat 'em ups, first person dungeon crawlers, point-and-click adventures
Sure, you want to see genres you're interested in. But there are other people on this board too, anon, with their own interests.

>>11952020
Holy fuck, I didn't realize (see pic). We need to gatekeep them the fuck out of here.

Now I'm on the Disney's side. I'm a full blown timeline gerrymanderer now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#Support

So anything that doesn't utilize shader languages seem like a semi-arbitrary but good enough limit. And I would be getting my beloved NDS in ;)

>>11946071 (OP)
>The DK Country games suck, Mario World and Yoshis island are so much better in every regard
>Secret of Mana is overrated, not awful but just okay. 4/10 game. Anyone who says it's 10/10 never played it.
>Beat em Ups as a genre suck ass, the core gameplay is boring as fuck. Unless the game has significant RPG/non linear elements they are all trash
>N64 only has like 10 good games, PS1 blows it the fuck out
>Sonic CD is the best of the 4 "classic" mainline sonic games
>System Shock 2 could have been the best game ever made with just a few months more development time, surprised mods never finished the game
>Prerendered backgrounds are the pinnacle of artistic representation in games, still. Even games that use similar "cheats" like dark souls 1&3 make the game feel amazing
>Planescape is good but the game would've been far better with combat being completely optional.
>JRPG stories rarely make sense, and people who praise the writing in them usually have never read anything beyond a 6th grade level. Also not the fault of translators
>Being forced into fights with a single character without warning is awful design; FF7 does it multiple times and if you do not have cure on that member you just lose.
>Most Final Fantasy games are awful. There are way more bad games than good in the series.
>Most traditional RPGs on SNES and before are not very good, with few exceptions. Tactical RPGs are fine
>Starcraft is the only good RTS and should have been copied more.
>Genesis as a console sucks ass, the controller, sound card, color pallete, all of it sucks dick.
>The first animal crossing is the only good one
>Sonic Adventure is a great game.
>Games where the combat is simple turn based are bad. You're better off playing a game with no combat, or reading a V/N.
>Soul Raaver on Dreamcast is the best version, by far.

>>11952059
>Being forced into fights with a single character without warning is awful design; FF7 does it multiple times and if you do not have cure on that member you just lose.
Did it?
Use consumables.

>>11947371
They may not be good "games" but they are great games. Latching on to any single design element is retarded, it's about the overall package working together.

>>11946071 (OP)
I only watch walkthroughs.

Platformers only got good with the invention of 3D. Old mario and sonic games are boring, cluttered, and padded with restrictions on exploration and a clock to incentivise rushing the level.

>>11952059
>beat em ups as a genre suck
Go play Alien vs Predator

>>11952138
Alien vs Predator is the Earthbound of beat 'em ups. Everyone says they love it but no one actually plays it.

I think the only reason I can enjoy SNES games is because I grew up with a GBC and a GBA and the GBA is basically just a handheld SNES
I don't hold it against anyone who says they can't play those old games because they don't have any nostalgia to connect to it

>>11952126
2D platformers are for kids aged 3-7, until they learn how to hold a controller and push buttons

>>11946071 (OP)
The median IQ of this board is the same as on /v/ or /vg/.

>>11950496
>its not like ff7 where its at the end of the game
That happens on disc 1 though...

MMOs are the same as arcadey consolegames because it's the same shit but online.
I like MMO's and I like arcade games but let's not indulge in the idea that one is more complex than the other. They barely have any reading or complex systems and simulation. But consolefags have some sort complex about being da best and most hardcore, while not even being able to read a paragraph

>>11946071 (OP)

this post is absolute proof how casual this board has become

>>11953117
damn really? its been so fucking long, i could have sworn it was later. either way, ps4's happens even earlier (percentage wise). you barely get the training wheels off and it happens. you dont even get the vehicle yet, if i remember right.

>>11946071 (OP)
You should be allowed to call out people for blindly waxing Ocarina of Time, or even the N64 in general, without it being considered a "personal attack".

>>11954382
The disc1 of FF7 is packed, it's impressive

>>11954389
that's not unpopular

>>11946081
>It should be called a Contravania
Explain?

>>11954389
What?
I mean that's more just on the other person being retarded,
Not really an unpopular opinion.

>>11952165
I doubt any 7 year olds play super meat boy

>>11954389
likewise, you should be able to call out people for seething unprompted about Nintendo in threads that have nothing to do with Nintendo

>>11954465
>>11954516
despite it being generalized about "tendies" and specifically n64 being put on a pedestal, comment got removed and i received a warning for "personal attacks will not be tolerated" just the other day. its sad really.
>>11955163
there are a lot of assumptions going on in that statement, and i have a strong feeling that you're actually the one seething, lol. SPECIFICALLY as written there? yes, that makes sense. if the conversation shifts that way? grow up and deal with it. then theres also determining whether or not its actually "seethe", because more often than not, it isnt.

>>11955272
you were the one shitting your pants about nintendo in the speccy thread weren't you?

>>11955375
i dont know what a "speccy thread" is, but my comment was simply agreeing with another anon about how ridiculous and stunted some people are. it was hardly "shitting my pants". in order to come that kind of conclusion, you must be taking it really hard/personally, or you must be thinking of a different post, because my post was nothing like that, lol.

>>11955489
yup it was you

>>11952048
You can still buy Minecraft, it doesn't belong on this board.

>>11955997
You can still buy Final Fight too.

>>11955630
He's also in several Nintendo related threads screaming about Nintendo cultists and calling people zealots for liking oot. Apparently he's 37.

>>11946216
>Is that an unpopular opinion?

final fight 2 and 3 are meh but the first SOR is just a 2nd rate copy of final fight 1

>>11955997
Everquest still gets expansions yet it's clearly a retro game.

>>11955997
You can still buy Doom, and it amazes me they haven't flat out released it as freeware at this point. It originally came out in 1993, so unlike Minecraft, it belongs here.

>>11951768
Based. I was born in the early 90s and I still think the pre-NES era had a lot of good games.

Earthbound is actually a good game, despite its retarded fanbase

>>11956086
>screaming
damn, you guys either suck at reading comprehension, or you're taking mild criticism REALLY hard.

>>11957045
>Doesn't deny it

>>11946071 (OP)
>I'll start with saying anything that came before the NES is worthless and effectively unplayable today.
daring today, are we? try "before PS2" and then we'll talk

this isnt your clubhouse.

>>11957045
Get help.
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.vr/filename/1580318053642/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/1580318053642/

>>11946071 (OP)
I'll never understand the mockery and hate that sports video games get around here. We have tons of video games based on RPGs or card games, so other types of games and sports are pretty much just games too, something you play, and that whole "but you can do it in real life!" argument is terrible and often used by those that don't understand a thing about sports. Sure, I can go outside and throw a ball, alone, but setting up a match is not so easy, also in video games I can win major leagues and become a famous player. Also, video games began with sports, Tennis For Two and Pong, for example. It's not bad like people say.

>unpopular opinion
>starts with a popular opinion most of /vr/ had up until like a few years ago

>>11946071 (OP)
>I'll start with saying anything that came before the NES is worthless and effectively unplayable today.

>>11946071 (OP)
If Fromsoft's pre-souls fantasy games had been designed in the third person they would have been classics and joys to play forever. The mechanics are a slog in the first person, and if they'd just ripped off ocarina of time, the later kings field, eternal ring, etc, games would have been extremely beloved. It fucking worked for Dark Cloud and Maximo, people love those games. Hell Otogi is still fucking fun. They're -fine- as they are but if they had been made in the third person dark souls wouldn't even have come as a surprise. Fantasy games are comfier in third person, it's weird.

The sixth (but largely 7th) gen of consoles solved the main issue plaguing 3d games, being shitty camera controls, and redefining control binds. Games should have always let you re-bind controls, especially PC games.

Bad combat in horror games is a cope 9 times out of 10. It's rarely immersive, though I will grant it makes sense with -some- protagonists. Even then though, Eternal Darkness proves it doesn't have to suck.

WW2 is only overdone because of shooters and to a lesser extent RTS. It still has potential for other game genres.

Oblivion is responsible for the decline of TES.

Old RTS games are mostly fun in theory. In practice they wear out their welcome fast. There are very few exceptions and most of them play too similarly. Genre earned its death, sadly.

Democrats pushed more actual legislation forward regarding violence in video games, Republicans just caught a lot more flak for talking about it past the point of irrelevance. Shitheads like Anita should have never come as a shock when leftists pushed as much censorship as they did.

Mascot platformers died more due to poor writing and worldbuilding than anything else.

>>11946164
>In general, the internet has made video games worse.
Online multiplayer is the root source of more or less every major issue plaguing modern gaming today. Splitscreen/couch multiplayer were always superior.

>>11946096
It is good.

>>11946071 (OP)
>sonic 1 is the best in the series
>the vast majority of Hudsonsoft games are mediocre/bad
>early 3d games aged worse than early 2d games in basically every aspect
>playing on real hardware enhances your abilities and enjoyment

>>11959334
>>starts with a popular opinion most of /vr/ had up until like a few years ago
The nes only game out in the US nationally in September 27, 1986
This is not a board for a specific generation to shit on about an ancient japanese toy sold to spoilt children. It was inferior to computers in exactly the same way as modern PCs are better than consoles in every way imaginable. The NES did not even produce a game that won an award until 1990. Having a cult infesting this board hijacking it and spamming it was never gud and it has never been good on any gaming board that suffers from that cult telling people what they can like (that cults pretty shitty brand)

>>11959429
>the vast majority of Hudsonsoft games are mediocre/bad
I don't disagree, but they also made a shitton of games, it's not super surprising. They also basically never knew when they had a good thing going, so they'd just make wild jumps in style. It's a shame because if there's like one game in a series you like the rest of the games in that series are a big downgrade by comparison.

>>11959437
>that pic
thought it was going to go one way, pleasantly surprised at the end. 4chan has a MASSIVELY chronic case of this

>>11958039
>anon reuses images on an image board!?
>gasp! he should get help!
i think that a no-lifer bookmarking (hell even just USING) archive pages due to personal offense and vendetta is infinitely more cringe. the fact that you care about any specific anon THAT MUCH speaks much greater volumes.

>>11952059
>Starcraft is the only good RTS and should have been copied more
Worked wonders for Stormgate and DoW3 huh?

>>11959325
Sport games used to be played by nerds (see pic related, casually listing sports game among the rest), this dichotomy between "sports" and "hardcore gaming" is mostly a thing that appeared starting with the 6th and 7th gen as the "hardcore gamer" wanted to say something to appear "hardcore".
People wrongly retroactively apply to logic to old games because that's what retards do: they apply modern gaming logic to old games.

>>11960076
Please explain how Stormgate copies Starcraft: Brood war. That retarded game copies the worst aspects of SC2 and WC3.

>>11946071 (OP)
All FF games aged like shit compared to Dragon Quest games, Lufia 2 or Phantasy Star IV.

I'm going to say it. Prepare yourself, I've spoilered it for your sensitive eyes.

Videogames are fun!
Derivative and bad games can be fun!

>>11959325
>>11960256
The yearly release League/franchise format did more damage than anything else. The problem is that those games have to do something genuinely unique to stand apart from shovelware, which is typically some kind of simulationist bend or something edgy like building mechanics around cheating in the sport.

I'm not a huge sports game guy but I love dystopian evil sports games because so many of them are remind me of Rollerball, which rules.

The ps3/Xbox360 are retro consoles

Video games are fun

>>11946071 (OP)
Almost all retro games with only a few exceptions have been long outdone by modern indie games in fun if not quality so that as long as you're not playing games purely for aesthetic reasons there's little reason to return to most of them. Exceptions would be things like Kings Bounty the Legend, Soul Caliber 2 and 3 and Streets of Rage 2

>>11946071 (OP)

idk... Pac-Man and especially Asteroids are still really fun

>>11959416

tf is a speccy? sounds like some british shit or something

>>11962010
ehhh, yes and no. the thing about 2d games is that their limits got pushed and met pretty quickly. there are a lot of games that do what they set out to do, and do it well. do more modern things have more features, flashier graphics, and maybe some more complex mechanics? sure. but the variance or progress isnt nearly the same as it is for 3d games. there are still plenty of 2d games that hold up just fine.

>>11960462
Fucking bastard zoomie casual, fuck you. Games are for adults to argue about online.

>>11962371
i have never really liked 2d platformers, can you name any 2d games that aren't platformers that fit what you've said?

>>11962041
It is.

>>11962010
Doesn't really apply to beat 'em ups. There's only like one good indie b'mup (Fight and Rage) everything else is barely on the level of Final Fight, let alone a baseline mid 90s b'mup like Alien Vs Predator

>>11962473
check out Mother Russia Bleeds and Streets of Rage 4. but yeah, nobody even seems to try with them.

>>11962010
Pointless shock value statement or nihilistic, leakybrained zoomer take. The fact that fanatical communities exist for so many retro titles, many of which also keep the communities alive with mods, are a testament to that. Most of the indie titles that pay tribute to earlier titles are inferior in quality, complexity, replayability, choice, any aspect really. There's dozens of franchises that peaked decades ago whose modern, budgeted continuations aren't ever going to live up to the legacies of their predecessors.

>>11962419
a link to the past, zombies ate my neighbors, puzzle games, even some sports games. modern sports games might be a little different and/or more realistic, but some older games (like ice hockey on the NES) are simply fun and fuck to play. there are probably some retro strategy games that still hold up fine too (i think shining force 2 is solid (if easy and simple), but i might be biased.)

>>11960389
Even the yearly model wasn't that bad in the PS2 days, just look at PES and its progress from PES 1 to PES 6, it's crazy and every title felt like a truly new experience.

I'd say PvP online and microtransactions killed it.

>>11946071 (OP)
ut2004 is better than quake 3

>>11946071 (OP)
The only good thing about the Commodore 64 is the demo scene.

>>11946087
Hyper Fighting was the best SF2 for SNES yes.
They fucked up with the New Challengers port and it's why when SF2 is on SNES collections they go with the Hyper Fighting one

1. Xbox 360 and PS3 are retro, but not all games on these platforms are retro.
2. GB/GBC sucked ass because most of its games were copy pasted platformers, and early platformers really, really sucked ass. Either that or just clones of successful titles or ports from better platforms. GBA was the first good handheld because it had a good variety of genres and less copy-pasting within genres even if the hardware had issues.
3. JRPGs gave us all our disgusting fetishes more than any life experiences. I blame Quistis for my love for teacher/librarian dommy mommies with whips.

Enemy Territory is better than UT99 or Quake 3.
People only play UT99 over Quake 3 due to the soundtrack and better looking map skyboxes.
TF2 is a massive improvement Classic.
All Counter-Strike versions and editions are at least decent. There has never been a bad Counter-Strike game.

>>11946071 (OP)
Final Fight 3 blows Streets of Rage 2 and 3 out of the water.

Might and Magic 6 > 8 > 7

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is better than Final Fantasy Tactics. Final Fantasy Tactics A2 is better than Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

>>11946476
what did the Quake 2 re-release fix in pacing? i thought they just updated the engine but the single player campaign is still the same

Here's an unpopular opinion:
/vr/ got worse since the old /vr/ janny quit after the hack. In retrospect he wasn't that bad and actually cleaned up the place and spanked schizos for derailing threads with their autistic tantrums and gay back and forths.

>>11946071 (OP)
The 2600 has a lot of bangers, you're clearly stupid. If you can't have at least some fun playing pong you're not human.

2D Metroids are fucking garbage and none of them are good. I haven't played any Prime games.

>>11966965
I haven't played FF3 but no beat 'em up on the SNES that I know of can do more than 3 enemies on the screen at the same time. Therefore none of them can be better than any SoR, or any arcade beat 'em up including FF1 for that matter.

>>11946071 (OP)
I genuinely think Doom and Quake are boring. They just feel like a bunch of randomized levels, you can probably play most of their levels at random and nothing would change.

Doom from sequel to sequel, just feels like expansions at best, there is no real growth in any of the sequels. Every time someone says how amazing Doom is they immediately go to mods, which i think its cheating because you might as well say Crysis is the best game ever because you like FarCry and both were made in Crytek.

Quake is very similar, the levels just feel repetitive. Theres no flow to them, its just a collection of them, you could download a fan mappack and then make someone who has never played Quake , play the official amd fan levels at random and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Im left scratching my head as to how people say its such an amazing game.

>>11967135
that's not an unpopular opinion at all though

It's impossible to name 5 good 2600 games that wasn't made by Activision

The A/B route system in RE2 fucking sucks. and yes i'm referring to the original game, not the remake

>>11966965
>spoiler
Nice, made me so mad I had to reply.
Zelda sucks, Sonic sucks, Fire Emblem sucks, peace.

>>11960256
NCAA 07 and the Tiger Woods golf games hold up.

>>11967234
Sucking off tranny jannies in any capacity is both contrarian and an unpopular opinion.
t. The anon who made that post

>>11967228
If it aint broken, why fix it? You call it repetitive, I think it's a testament to how well the formula works that people are still making stuff for these games after 30 years. I don't know what kind of change you expect exactly.

>>11967196
>no beat 'em up on the SNES that I know of can do more than 3 enemies on the screen at the same time
and that's a good thing

>>11946071 (OP)
super mario rpg is a bad game and the only reason people like it is because it was a new concept when it came out

>>11946862
holy shit did I get amnesia and forget I posted this a week ago because that's exactly my opinion.

The NES and SNES are both irredeemably shit consoles with nothing to offer for games libraries. People only suck off the same 10 overrated Mario and Zelda games because they're all they have to offer, nothing else is even playable. Nintendo didn't have a good console until the GameCube and it's they're only decent one.

>>11968018
it has rpgs, but every game that was on both snes and genesis was better on genesis.

Random battles don't suck, slow battles suck. Stop wasting my time, dev-kun.

>>11966965
>Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is better than Final Fantasy Tactics
I appreciate the post but man, playing FFTA after FFT feels like torture to me. I despise the law system and music is so trash.

>>11946071 (OP)
-t. has never known the simple pleasures of playing Phoenix on the Atari 2600.
It's an Atari game based on the arcade game and it even had a boss.

>>11946071 (OP)
Light gun shooters are just whac-a-mole with better presentation. They're all boring.

>>11948437
>The final fight is also absolute kino
True story, I beat Bowser's first invisible phase without using the Star Sage's power to nerf the Bowser's star rod because I'm retarded. I was 27 when I first beat this game, btw. I was like, "holy shit, this is a hell of a difficulty spike"

>>11948445
>not thinking Final Fantasy VII is overrated as fuck
Now there's a real unpopular opinion

>>11953717
No, they are not the same shit as console games, lmao. Retro MMO's in particular are a lot more repetitive, and rely a lot more on RP and emergent gameplay.

FF7 isn't overrated, at least not anymore

>>11946071 (OP)
I don't know how unpopular this is on this board, since I don't really bother to talk about consoles I hate all that often, but it's certainly unpopular elsewhere: The N64 fucking sucks, if it weren't for a certain non-/vr/ console later down the line, it would easily take the title of Nintendo's worst home console to date. Are there great games on it? Totally, about five or six. Are there pretty good games on it? Yeah, eight or so. Other than that, the tiny library is largely composed of awful versions of multiplats, trash ports of Playstation exclusives, and games that play like total shit and have been held up on a pedestal by fat bald retards that haven't actually gone back to play them in decades. And no, this isn't just some zoomer complaint about 'muh clunk", there are plenty of games from that era that feel fantastic to play, it just so happens that almost none of them are on the N64. The PS not only had a bigger library, it had a better library, and if you're a fan of anything other than 3D platformers and Zelda, it absolutely shits all over the N64.

>>11967228
I liked Doom and Doom II, but I could never get into Quake, I'm not really sure why

>>11946079
I don't know if I'd go THAT far but it is stupidly overrated. It was only 'beloved' because the PS2 lacked a good zelda-like.

>>11952059
Some shit takes mixed in with solid ones, a classic /vr/ post.
>Beat em Ups as a genre suck ass, the core gameplay is boring as fuck.
Sadly true, the only mildly entertaining ones are the porn-em-ups.
>Planescape is good but the game would've been far better with combat being completely optional.
Yea, I like the spells, but there's no real combat flow/synergy. Plus, animation/effects-wise, you either have some flaccid majik fartbolt, or a very late game "press A for awesome" spell like Celestial Host or Symbol of Torment.
>Starcraft is the only good RTS and should have been copied more.
LOLNO. It's mid AF, people should've been improving on Total Annihilation's formula instead.
>Genesis as a console sucks ass, the controller, sound card, color pallete, all of it sucks dick.
Genesis was badly compromised by cost-cutting, which fucked up some important parts of its hardware. And the 6-button pad should've been standard.
>Soul Raaver on Dreamcast is the best version, by far.
How's that controversial? The DC version is the only one with high-res textures. The PS1 one is low-res (due to low memory), and the PC version is a port of the PS1 one, so also shit.

Pokémon was never good. Ever.
I was in the prime demographic when Gen 1 released stateside and even back then I thought they were bad games.
Then again, I had already played games like Final Fantasy VI and Dragon Warrior IV so I knew what actually good RPGs were like.

>>11948445
Obviously correct. There isn't a single nintendo title whose reputation isn't inflated by developmentally disabled manchildren.

>>11946071 (OP)
Most NES games are similarly unplayable today. There are obvious exceptions, of course, (SMB, Mega Man, Contra), but the vast, vast majority crumbles under obsolescence.

>>11971416
I grew up with NES and the last time I fired it up was 10 years ago, when a friend came over with a dozen cartridges and we played Metal Gear out of curiosity, since MGS V had just come out.

>Everything will become "retro" with time; I'd argue the 7th gen is getting close. There's definitely certain design language trends that you can immediately tell "yep, that's 7th gen alright". Whether or not they're good is another matter, but then not all retro games are good regardless of what you consider retro, so the point is moot there.
>Sonic Adventure 1 is better than 2, and feels the most like a 2D Sonic game in 3D at least to me. Sonic Heroes actually comes pretty close to being great but the fact it's so incredibly glitchy and even the best port (the GameCube version) has its own weird problem with the overly snappy controls renders it an exercise in frustration, albeit one with a fantastic artstyle and soundtrack.
>Ocarina of Time is both overrated and overhated. It's definitely aged poorly in some regards (I really wish you could manually control the camera with the D-pad) but it IS still very impressive for its age and being one of the first of its kind, and IMO is still a lot of fun, not to mention hugely atmospheric.
>Super Mario 64 meanwhile is flat out one of the most overrated games ever made. For a launch title and one of the first 3D platformers it's good, sure, but it gets held up as this flawless paragon of excellence when in truth it feels more like a tech demo with programmer-art tier presentation.
>Blinx the Time Sweeper deserved better, it was honestly a really unique and fun game even if it had some annoying bits and a meh sequel.
>Quake is better than Doom. Both are good, mind you.
>Likewise, Jet Set Radio Future is a MASSIVE upgrade on Jet Set Radio, but it feels a bit unfair to compare them given the first game was basically an at-home arcade game and the second one was a fully-fledged home console game. Again, both awesome games.
>Speaking of cel-shading, Wind Waker has aged better (visually at least) than just about any other game ever made.
>The majority of NES games are either not really worth playing, or have gotten better ports.

>>11968141
>it has rpgs
With the exception of Phantasy Star, none of the JRPG's predating CD-based consoles are worth playing. The SNES has a ton of RPG Maker slop, but everything they tried to do on it, was done far better on the PlayStation.

>>11972293
final fantasies, breath of fire, chrono trigger, mario rpg, lufia 2.
also calling phantasy star NOT rpgmaker slop is funny. like, i like phantasy star too, but lets be real about retro rpgs.

>>11972618
>final fantasies, breath of fire, chrono trigger, mario rpg, lufia 2.
Are you going to name any good ones?
>also calling phantasy star NOT rpgmaker slop is funny.
Saved by it's sci-fi setting and deeper plotline with a darker undertone. I don't hold it in highly from a gameplay viewpoint, but it's worth playing for those unique elements, at least.

Emulation is a perfectly valid way of playing old games

>>11972659
lmao you literally have no standards. "its saved by its sci-fi setting" is such a hollow take. most rpgs are the same, and i can understand why people done like them as a genre, but praising one of the most generic rpgs solely because of the sci-fi setting is pathetic. at least lufia 2 has gameplay outside of the generic battles of rpgs.

>>11972679
Sorry. Meant to also add "if you have no other means of obtaining a physical copy and hardware at a reasonable price and/or you're poor".

What a god awful thread. Might as well be called Scream into the Void General.

>>11946071 (OP)
>This anon can't Plaque Attack

>>11972221
>majority of NES games aren't worth playing
Majority of all games aren't worth playing, that doesn't mean much.

>>11946071 (OP)
Goldeneye is decent as a singleplayer game but ludicrously overhyped as a multiplayer game. I think the only reason it became popular for multiplayer was because of the sheer lack of other playable 4-player console FPSs in its time. Had there been better options in 1997, it wouldn't be so fondly remembered.

>>11946071 (OP)
>the NES is worthless and effectively unplayable today.
Refreshingly honest are teddies finally coming down from sniffing their own child safe toy farm memberberries in Internet human caterpillars? Probably not sadly

>>11946072
8 bit computers were way better than the NES.

>>11973401
Absolutely. The only other 4-player FPS on the N64 in 1997 were Hexen and Duke3D, neither of which were as streamlined, or pick-up-and-play friendly.

>>11973520
Had a C64 and an NES, would agree strongly. The NES mostly sat gathering dust after I beat the SMB games and Ninja Gaiden.

Unpopular opinions:
>SMB series peaked at SMB3
Super Mario World was very pretty, but not as good, and it felt slow and lumbering in the era of Sonic the Hedgehog.
>British developers don't get their due
I was an American with a C64, but I can admit the Speccy was a hotbed of innovation and creativity. We got ports from time to time, and it was like getting games from the moon, they were so different from everything else out there, and even if they didn't always succeed with the bizarre things they tried to do, they were usually at least interesting, and often pretty damn good.

>>11973525
It's not a bad multiplayer game, it's just super basic. People keep losing their shit over it when there are newer games that did what it did better, and that's what I don't get.

people obsessing over original hardware instead of simply emulating are autistic morons

>>11973540
>SMB3
>Super Mario World
They're the same game, whatever ypu played first probably wins, second is just repetition

>>11973628
why yes i am an autistic moron

>>11973648
>They're the same game
Nope, they look and feel and play differently, just like SMB1 and SMB2 do in comparison to 3 and W.
>inb4 "did you know SMB2...." etc

For one thing, the controls in SMW felt different from the NES games, and I disliked the changes.
And having Mario do a dumb-looking corkscrew spin-jump because "hey, we have another button here and we need to use it for something" was gay. (I suspect it was from the desire to top their previous game so everything had to be bigger and get more bits tacked on.)

>Here is my popular opinion guys!
>>[same retarded zoomer opinion as all the other retarded zoomers]

This fucking thread.
Yes, yes, you're all very special and very unique snowflakes with very unique opinions, opinion which are truly yours and have nothing to do with your lack of skill, attention span, and what the man on youtube told you to think.

>>11973540
wtf is a speccy?

>>11974486
its type of hotdog

>>11974486
ZX Spectrum, old British home computer by the Sinclair corporation.

Galaxian > Galaga

High Speed > Getaway

Konami's license beat em ups are all trash except X-Men which is only ok

Step guard and 2G are genuinely good mechanics and SoulCalibur II is better for having them

>>11974750
>Konami's license beat em ups are all trash
Even Turtles in Time?

>>11974789
Check out Fighting Force on PS1. You'll understand what you've been missing with Konamislop.

>>11974789
hh is better than tit anyway.

>>11946079
>the two minutes
You looked up how to beat them, didn't you?

Pixel art is more impressive and harder work than 3D art.

I just didn't like it. Sorry! The controls are slippery, half the game relies on rote memorization, and your "allies" constantly fly in front of you and block your shots.

>>11971253
Same.

>>11946071 (OP)
Fine. I'll do it. Emulation is for pleebs who either can't afford the barrier for entry or gave away their shit when they were kids.

>>11946071 (OP)
It's dogshit

>>11975461
II Final Mix is all you need.

>>11974907
>Pixel art is more impressive and harder work than 3D art.
I did pixel art as a kid because it was easy and accessible. Still haven't bothered learning 3D, so I can't compare the two.

>>11974789
Yeah, I really don't like the auto run and it feels generally difficult to be precise with movement and combat. 4P/6P X-Men has the problem of the game picking attacks too but to a lesser degree. Apparently 2P X-Men gives you more choice in attacks.

>>11975746
If you tried 3D art you would see it's 100x easier than pixel art.

>>11946079
You are a retard zoomer that wants to fit in with the contrarians, we get it.

>>11946071 (OP)
I disagree with OP, I think the NES is excellent... my unpopular opinion though, is that the Master System was superior.

>>11977491
That is an unpopular opinion but not totally unfounded. SMS just has too few gaems.

>>11977491
>Think I’ve discovered new Master System variant.
>It’s Brazilian garbage.
Damnit, damnit

>>11977523
>It's Brazilian KINO*
There, I fixed that for you, anon.

>>11977534
>6 button pad for Master System games
Forgive me, I spoke too soon

>>11974983
star fox? it's not an unpopular opinion to recognize the fact that it's an objectively shit game that only gained popularity because nintendo kiddies were shocked by 3d graphics on their super nintendy

>>11956260
FF1 was a single player beat-em up. SOR1 was a 2-player game. So no, even from the start SOR wasn't a copy of FF. It was superior.
Besides, Double Dragon preceded both of them.

>>11948583
>Gen 3 was still active in 2003
Anon, no. Just no.

>>11946071 (OP)
this guy got filtered by wizard of wor

>>11977656
NTA but that's only true of the SNES version. FF1 arcade is a co-op game. And SoR is clearly a copy, I mean, Two-P from FF and Signal from SoR look basically the same, Axel is Cody, etc.

>>11946071 (OP)
I don't like the music in Monkey Island, everyone seems to use it to test their soundcard or with any new projects but it just feels like generic dos music. I really noticed it when listening to a compilation of Sega CD music and when MI came on I was like not this again.

>>11948459
>so many amazing pet raising game
Ok, name 'em then
[Spoiler]caue I wanna play em[/Spoiler]

>>11973763
Don't let all these posts fool you. The majority of this thread is bot posts and a lot of samefagging. I'll bet there's no more than 30 to 40 unique IPs in here.

>>11960256
Deadly Towers a 7?

480p consoles like the Gamecube and Xbox were meant to be played on flat panel screens. Using a CRT TV to play them is as retarded as playing NES or PS1 directly on an HDTV.

>>11977807
Yep. Very ambitious game for the time. Gets shit on because of the graphics and how weak you start out as but it's way overhated

>>11971331
There is not a single good roleplaying game on any console or computer.

Signed, /tg/.

>>11978192
?????? But isn't objectively false though? Do you mean like a projector TV?

>>11977542
You're forgiven, anon. Now you understand how BASED and SOVL Brazil and Tec Toy are.

>>11978192
Flatscreens in 2001 were largely still CRTs, unless you were insanely rich.

>>11980171
They're still making Master Systems to this day. I might buy one just to keep it going. Huehuehuehue sama... I kneel.

>>11978192
this is completely wrong what are you even on about

2000's was when CRT's were at their best before being replaced by flat panels and everyone had a CRT. Flat panels didn't start taking over quick until 2007ish

>>11946087
>>The GTA games are really boring once rampaging around loses its novelty
this is only true for 3 and vice city

>>11980374
I keep wanting to buy it, but can't justify it considering I prefer emulation thanks to things like a full ROM set and CRT shaders.

I think the nintendo ds and the psp should be available for discussion on this board.

>>11983047
frogposter

Old MMOs back in the day got hard-carried by the novelty of the internet. Modern MMOs aren't worse (not that they're good mind you, they're just not worse), they simply expose the bullshit that was always there.

>>11977686
Up his butt

Taste is in the eye of the beholeder. There is not seperation except from you and your mind. You can enjoy things, but you actually have to give a shit. You need to want things to become what you want. You can do it. Become want.

You know what I never liked you guys anyways