Thread 12099986

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>12096130

Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etc
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/GENERAL GUIDE
https://rentry.org/vrbin

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQ
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0

== GAMES/RESOURCES ==
DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU

PortaDOOM:
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
HALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:
https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:
https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA

Assorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA

MIDI COLLECTIONS
https://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.zip
https://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQ
https://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009
https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
https://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/

MODDING RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37
https://realm667.com/

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==
THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/

OUR WADS/MODS
https://rentry.org/vrdepot

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE/WAD DATABASE
https://vrdoom.booru.org/
https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/

MULTIPLAYER SERVERS
US West: https://clovr.xyz/
CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
Duke It Out in /vr/
Game : DN3D | Deadline : Jan 1st 2026
Tile/Con pack: https://files.catbox.moe/thm4q7.zip
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/11835634

HOT POTATO, aka Deep /vr/ied Potato
Game : Doom 2, MBF21 | Deadline : HOTPOTATO99.WAD
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/12030515
Latest build: HOTPOTATO90.WAD
https://files.catbox.moe/776qut.zip

SUB MORTEM : A Dead Simple Halloween Project
Game : Doom 2, MBF21 | Deadline : October 31st
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/12092867

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
/Vertex Relocation/
IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : Boom
RC5: https://files.catbox.moe/a4tbzi.zip

=== NEWS ===
[10-15] GzDoom development seems to be imploding
https://github.com/ZDoom/gzdoom/issues/3395

[10-14] Duke3D is getting a fan port to Build2
https://x.com/MannyCalavera12/status/1977799227867832601

[10-12] Serious Sam 2 gets 20th anniversary patch.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/204340/view/520852898086650127

[10-1] ALIZARIN (RC1) ~ Avant-Garde Monochromatic Megawad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155368

[10-8] Nightdive delisting original System Shock 2.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/238210/view/503964319779651936

[10-8] New EduardoAndFriends wad
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/155461

[10-5] GMDX_AE mod updated to v1.1
https://moddb.com/mods/give-me-deus-ex-augmented-edition

[10-4] DOOM & DOOM 2 re-releases by Nerve will be delisted from mobile platforms due to recent Unity security vulnerability.
https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/advisory/ADV256762

[10-3] RAMP 2025 is available to download
https://ramp2025.doomproject.com/

[10-2] Sunder 2510 released with MAP21 "The Leviathan's Arteries"
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2971041

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [MM-DD] date bracket)

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>>12099986 (OP)
cacodemons have an asshole?

>>12100018
2 Cloacae

>>12100018
>pic
You should search images of "astral dreadnought" sometime, too.

>>12100026
>>12100028
One must imagine Altazimuth happy.

Seriously though, why did they give so many demons such defined asses and drew very large assholes on the cacodemon? What the fuck was wrong with Adrian Carmack?

The GZDoom drama is equal parts hilarious and depressing. Above all, it reinforces my decision in never setting foot in ZDF's Discord because good God, it's wild just how awful some of these people carry themselves.

Anyway, bunker map is close to done. I have a few monsters left to code and two more areas to make. Pic rel is the air filtration area, I had no clue how to make something realistic so I settled for making big open spaces where supposedly there's enough space for air to flow through on its own. Actual engineers must be having a seizure.

Sadly, I won't have enough time to make the water purification plant and the sump room. I might go back to them in an update, which is fine - this is kinda rushed and I require Peanut's likeness to make it true to life. I also want to make a map for Sub Mortem but I'm not sure I can make it.

>>12100068
>reddit spacing

>>12100068
Well, shit. Guess I forgot the pic. Awful.

>>12100071
That's not Reddit spacing, you newfag troon.

>>12100051
The defined asses being bare helps both sell their toned muscle power and their shamelessness.

>>12100071

see this?

this is reddit spacing.

you're a tard

>>12100028
objective good has won this day

>>12100098
Sharp and crispy, about time to play alizarin.wad

>>12100109
How tf do you play this crap in motion? My eyes hurt.

>>12100120
>How tf do you play this crap in motion?
By crossing your eyes for faux 3D effect

>>12100090
They also helped to expedite HFFM's sprite edits. Can't forget that.

>>12100120
It's kinda like lilith.pk3, the visuals are fucked to hell but the audio isn't. At some point your muscle memory kicks in and you can more or less navigate it on instinct and reflexes. That said, I salute anyone who can make it through more than half an hour of this.

whats the best gzdoom build?

>>12100165
vkdoom before they fudged the lightmaps

hi, quick reminder that if you build a wad and buff the starting pistol no matter how small the DPS increase is, I guarantee you'll be with me in Paradise when your time comes

>>12100026
Based graff fuck trannies also beat strife last nivht for the first time

>>12100165
Believe it or not lz doom

>>12100185
fuck off back to pol

>>12100026
the only thing graf ever did wrong was allowing these trannies to become involved with his work to begin with

>>12099986 (OP)
>SUB MORTEM : A Dead Simple Halloween Project
Just for the mood of the season, a simple and straightforward mapping project.

>Assets: Ad Mortem, no additional assets or custom textures (there's already LOTS).
https://files.catbox.moe/tsacv4.zip

>iWAD: Doom 2
>Map Format: MBF21
>Constraint: Playable area MUST fit 2048x2048 box.
>Deadline: Your level should be fully completed by October 31st.

For WIP screenshots, submissions, or questions regarding Sub Mortem, reply here.

>>12100190
Fuck off to home depot and buy a rope and a stool you stinky transvestite

>>12100198
kek, based

>>12100202
eat shit chud

>>12099986 (OP)
We're in the last ten iterations of the Hot Potato project. Let's get this potato fully baked!

>>12099986 (OP)
>>> CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE <<<

Record a UV-max run of Fallen Leaves - Map 07 "Exile" by Brian "Bri" Irving. The complevel is MBF21.
Reply to this post with your demo & time.

Download and current record here:
https://dsdarchive.com/wads/fallenleaves?level=Map+07

Example demo in 5:10
https://files.catbox.moe/0f3l4t.lmp

Previous challenge winner: What Lies Beneath - Map 01 in 6:25! >>12090159
Also, the winner for the Quake challenge from the last thread: >>12097797

I hope you enjoyed a change of pace, I was busy last thread. This map is pretty quick and easy. I've been mulling over which map to pick from Ad Mortem, I'm leaning towards Darkwood or Norwitch Lane, lemme know what you think.

>>12100210
>c-chud
Just so you know, every person who sees you in public is internally laughing at you for being the freak you are, even if they pretend to accept you.

holy fuck
shut up

>>12100220
Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

>>12100026
>the last post is nothing but verbose buzzwords and "muh feels" performative nonsense.
why are trannies so starved for attention and why do they think they have anything meaningful to say?

>>12100234
Ooga booga, tranny mad, tranny dilate

>>12100240
fucking retard

>>12100237
Trannies are starved for attention, and here you are feeding it to them.

>>12100234
>Do us all a favor and kill yourself.
"We" in question:

>>12100241
>when the mentally ill guy calls you retarded

>>12100223
john mcafee did not whack himself

Keagan do your job holy fuck

>>12100243
>trannies contribute to cool projects
>chuds just get angry on 4chan

>>12100250
YWNBAW

Too much middle school gossiping, not enough modding, mapping or playing retro FPS games. C'mon, there are better uses of your time.

Mohrta is out

Jesus fucking Christ, how about you both shut the fuck up.

>>12100257
cute!

>>12100253
No, trannies get mad on github because a heterosexual decided to update his own project without their express approval.

>>12100261
It's over.

>>12100261
How badly did we fuck up where "Doom" isn't the main word?

>>12100260
Stop responding to bait you absolute retard.

>>12100265
Anon got a little excited last thread.

>>12100267
>the truth
>bait
chuds contribute nothing to society and get jealous at anyone that does

>>12100269
>be your dad
>have a faggot son that wears dresses
>tfw you contributed nothing to society
a curious conundrum

>>12100256
If I were to post my mapping here a certain demographic would get mad and shit up the thread about members of a certain other demographic having authored the textures I use.

>>12100261
>rachael tried kind moo
>moo made anon
>moo done fps secret idea
>try used moo
>different stuff level moo
>moo fun romero
>moo better

>>12100271
having a faggot son that wears dresses while writing software is surely a lot worse than having a loser son that endlessly rages at trannies writing his software

>>12100272
>tranny invents a problem even when begged for sincerity
right on time

>>12100274
have you thanked your chud father for contributing a gay male to the population today?

...

>>12100291
Has anyone ported ZanZan to later ZDoom ports by the way? I think some of the stuff that it used isn't compatible with later ones.

>>12100275
>proving the point

>>12100303
>trannies are unwell
agreed

is the moonman wad actually good?

>>12100308
It's relatively well crafted, but the gameplay isn't anything special.

>>12100296
Oh, I don't know.
This seems fine.

You ever watch demo files just for the hell of it?

>>12100219
It's by this map that I understood that I didn't like this person's style of mapping, even if I couldn't describe exactly why.

What does the U in UZDoom stand for?

Why did so many old retro games use the build engine instead of doom/quake engine? also is EDuke32 reverse enginereed? as far as I know build engine is proprietary.

>>12100323
Ultimate.

>>12100315
lol'd

ZanZan was a really long time ago in the very early ZDoom era, and I think it used some stuff which ended up deprecated also a very long time ago, or something like that.
It should be possible to just make a patch to load onto it.

>>12100323
unwoke

>>12100327
based

>>12100330
but I was told by very reputable anons that it's the tranny fork

>>12100323
unmaintained

>>12100326
Build was available much earlier, and it was also less demanding on computers. Duke Nukem 3D came out just a bit before Quake, and it wasn't as technologically advanced, but it leveraged its simpler graphics to have much more detail and clutter to make a world which for the most part looks much more lived in, and you STILL didn't need as much hardware power as with Quake.

Quake's more advanced graphics leading to less room for that kind of detail and clutter ends up being to a sort of advantage though, as it works with the weird occult alien dimension themes. There's no human creature comforts on the wrong side of a slipgate, either there were some kind of peoples living there once but they were eradicated or left, or there simply never were, and these realms were always barren.

>>12100096
Ironic reddit spacing is still reddit spacing.
Go back and stay there.

>>12100340
yeesh, did you forget to dilate this morning?

>>12100343
yeah thanks for reminding me bud :)

GZDoom should be abandoned and everyone should move to build on top Helion instead.

>>12100026
>the rudest, the farthestest leftestest, the most mentally ill freak who barks the most contributed less than anyone
Classic. Fucking classic.

Seeing all this gzdoom drama, it makes me so glad that all of Quakes modern source port developers are awesome, chill dudes. Ericw, (Quakespasm) Spoike, (QSS and FTE) aguiRe, (Enhanced GLquake) Makro and Qmaster, (Ironwail) Novum, (vkquake) I've talked with all of them and they are always willing to help out with whatever, fixing bugs or adding features. Thanks for putting up with me all these years. You guys rock!

>>12100360
When are they going to reach something like Woof/DSDA level of compatibility? Is it even possible with all the thing working differently in Hellion?

>>12100026
I don't want to take a side, Graf is a moron but his involvement kept trannies on check.

>>12100374
I'm glad vkQuake lives.

>>12100374
I just wish Spoike wrote documentation

>>12100330
I wish

Eviternity was made by a tranny. What now chud

>>12100401
Weird, I don't remember Ola being a tranny, and he's the only good thing about this teleportfest.

>>12100401
That's because trannies actually make stuff, Anon. Here at /vr/, we simply piss and shit ourselves over community drama and social political discourse we have no reason to be invested in.

>>12100396
I'm not sure it would help. Dude explains things as if you already understand 90% of what you're asking for and just need 10% more filled in. Typical Linux autist I guess.
Any documentation he makes would be more of the same.
I'd rather just have practical examples I can look at of all his expanded QuakeC and CSQC features. I mean, he has to have made some for testing purposes so why not just make those available?

>Eviternity
>teleportfest
? Compared to what, and what's the most egregious level about it?

>>12100415
To be fair, if you wanna get into FTE modding you should already have a solid grasp of QuakeC.

>>12100308
From what I could glimpse of it in its early releases, it was basically just a bastard child of BD and pol.wad. Maybe it's different now.

>>12100401
Dragonfly transitioned? Well, it doesn't matter. He was of different state of mind at the time of the making, so technically not a tranny wad accomplishment.

>>12100421
>you should already have a solid grasp of QuakeC
I do. That grasp comes from having a whole game's worth of examples that I can dissect and mess around with until I know what things do and how to use them.
When it comes to the new stuff in FTE, all you get are a bunch of function definitions with brief commented descriptions (if even). Doesn't help that half of those descriptions are out of date.

>UZDoom breakaway society for the inclusion of tooltips

VS

>Graf and his new army of AI programmers

Who wins?

>>12100447
Zandronum

>>12100267
This derailment is oddly reminiscent of infographic shitshow, yeah.

>FOSS tranny drama wave has finally hit GZDoom
I can’t be surprised since graf is an uncompromising sperg but seriously god dammit man, when’s this shit gonna end?

>>12100426
I don't think he did. I hope not.

>>12100413
Gzdoom was made by a chud as was brutal doom. If you dislike brutal doom you are probably one of those sissies who will troon out soon.

>>12100467
>Eviternity "teleportshaming"
>Slipseer shitting while AD praising
These would pop up a lot in 2023-2024, and that's probably what those few "Eviternity is SO like nuDoom" posts were about.
Could be the same dude or just a bunch coming home to roost. Sure filled up that last thread, though.

>>12100401
"Ascension" map was about a tranny who apparently died in a fire while sleeping. That's why at the end of the map, you walk into a pit of fire, and slowly ascend into heaven.

>>12100467
if you mean the retards who keep posting tranny screencaps and pride flag easter eggs so that every thread can turn into a diet /pol/ short bus then yeah, I can see the similarity.

Romero also paints his nails black. which is a totally a tranny thing to do.

>>12100505
Better stop playing all id games up to Quake 1.

>>12100505
romero's a goth edgelord

>>12100513
He's been painting them black since his Origin days.

>>12100497
Graf isn't even a chud he's just a special needs programmer with a huge ego and zero social skills.

>>12100516
>romero was trannycoded from the beginning
even more reason not to play any of the games he was involved in

>>12100502
I'm fine with that because it's just a tribute to the author's friend.

I hate the pride flag shit (and also the discourse about it coming up fucking here), but I'm not gonna tell anyone that they can't eulogize a friend of theirs, that part is entirely human and normal.
I've seen various other works in the Doom fandom over the years dedicated to the memories of people who passed, so it's not like it's without precedence either.

>>12100497
>everyone who doesn't have my normie shit taste is a troon!!!

>>12100519
>people who passed
>considering trannies as people
yeah, that's a woke from me senpai

>>12100504
It's like this in the /g/ thread too. Just ride the wave bro, do a little shit posting.
For actual discussion mixed in: What's Graf's actual plan? Is he just dumping GZDoom, or is he going to keep working on it? What happens to Raze?

>>12100497
I never liked brutal doom. Mainly because it requires mouse look but I dislike it even more now.

lol imagine if I was that retarded. People who can't separate the art from the artists are hella dumb.

>>12100535
Considering the autist he is he'll probably keep developing it but get outpaced by UZ. It's a tale as old as time when these kinds of forks happen. The branch with more active developers behind it will eventually win out.

>>12100538
>reddit spacing

>>12100534
more people than you, anon. but i guess thats not exactly an accomplishment

>>12100535
>What's Graf's actual plan?
i hope he ragequits

>>12100541
What if he just replaced them with AI though?
Is there a gpl trained AI he could use?

>>12100542
>has no actual argument, falls upon a newfag meme

Why so many transexuals in the Doom community? Isn't this a masculine game?

Like half of Doomworld are in the She/they spectrum.

>>12100564
It's not just the doom community.

>>12100554
it probably wouldn't help a lot considering the first attempt at the ai code didn't work and he had to fix it. could save a bit of time but not enough to outpace multiple people,

>>12100564
Modding attracts narcissistic autistic people and Doom is both easy to mod and popular enough that you can build a lot of e-clout off it.
See also: Skyrim

>>12100564
Normal people usually don't form a community around 30 year old video games.
You and me are the only ones. We're surrounded by weirdos anon.

>>12100497
>Bringing up Brutal Doom for no reason.
>"Made by a chud."
So they CAN make something

>>12100564
Autism

>>12100564
it's preemptive MKUltra brainwashing to prevent DOOMers from shooting up schools. the government put hypnosis in the frames.

>>12100261
>everybody simply potato
>pick tits
>thinking shambler
>cow wanted
>moo
>close retard fan
>/vr/ sequel together soon
>miss completely bullshit

>>12099987
lock

>>12100573
I made a fairly complex program using AI, just to see what was actually possible. As an experiment.
It ended up with a bunch of vestigial code in the end and it's not clean, but if I were an actual programmer and not some average joe, with a better idea of what it would entail from the beginning, I think it would be quite doable. Most of the issues were due to my own lack of understanding.
Sure I had to logic my way through some bug fixes and keep it on track, but it did make a functional program in the end, with a fair amount of features.
With a larger code base, like gzdoom has, it might be harder to keep in line, but it's probably starting from a cleaner position too. And I was using Grok 3 to start. When grok 4 came out it was like night and day, usability wise. With advancements coming down the pipe, like tiny recursive model, it's not going anywhere.

I don't have a dog in the fight but I think it's interesting. I really don't think AI is any more of a bubble than software development itself is.

>>12100589
you know too much

>>12100564
You'd be surprised
The western Rance community is also infested with them

>>12100589
Eric Harris' DOOM levels are shitty as fuck. I remember the urban legend that he recreated the school for training. Its just shitty boring maps, one is called UAC Labs I think. Iirc he used a custom pain sound for killing the monsters or something. Otherwise completely unnoteworthy.

>>12100617
>I remember the urban legend that he recreated the school for training.
I think that was more a thing the media kept spouting, there's never been a shred of evidence that a map ever existed.

>>12100624
Just UAC Labs I think is the only one we have he made. I think there were 2 on his personal website but if memory serves UAC Labs is only one we have.

>>12100626
No, there's like 4-5. UAC labs is the only decent one. There was a gore wad he made that was never found too.
He might've made his school, but it probably would've been mediocre anyway.

>>12100626
There's a couple of others, one is a big empty DM arena with a Berserk Pack named "Mortal Kombat." UAC Labs was probably his best level, and frankly it's kind of ok for like 1995 standards, but if the author wasn't an infamous murderer it would have been forgotten to time because there's nothing else standout or interesting about it.
It also had some of the Doom gore crudely 'enhanced' with MS-Paint, like drawing more red blood to death animations, but I don't know if he did that himself or if it was something he just found.

There was also another .wad which he talked about, but it's presumed lost to time. Potentially it may still exist somewhere in some evidence locker held by the local PD, or maybe the FBI, but that'd be a big maybe, even if it was put there it could have degraded depending on how it was stored.

>>12100640
>also had some of the Doom gore crudely 'enhanced' with MS-Paint, like drawing more red blood to death animations, but I don't know if he did that himself or if it was something he just found
Oh see, I misremembered. Maybe there was another gore wad he made or something. I seem to remember it being advertised in one of his readmes but not found.

>>12100642
Could be that the advertised one was simply the gore sprites as a standalone addition.

>>12100632
>According to the text file from UACLABS.wad, Eric also made up to 11 wads but the ones above are the only legitimate ones I've come across, which I downloaded from his website before it deleted. Files that I didn't manage to get include coolname.zip, Tier, Techout and Thrasher. You can see screenshots from the levels here.

-acolumbinesite.com

UZDoom will be the Bluesky to GZDoom's X-Twitter.

>>12100593
nah, cancel that
not locked

>>12100197
Bought a pumpkin at the store today, I should carve a Cacodemon motif for it later.

>>12100498
>>Slipseer shitting while AD praising
I mean, AD is the result of talented mappers for the most part and Slipseer is a bunch of annoying gen z kids who value style over substance. This isn't just an opinion, you can see it with your own eyes (for the most part, they made good shit too). I'm not surprised this is a common opinion here.

>>12100591
>pick tits
>thinking shambler
Are we talking that one specific meme from a couple years back?

>>12100697
How does Shambler milk taste?

>>12100697
100% coincidence on my part. I don't remember a meme like that.

>>12100702
Was never that big, but there was a "Mama Shambler" meme that briefly went around.

>>12100010

What is this, it looks fkn sick

>>12100718
Trench Foot. Last update was like a year ago.

>>12100719
i played countrycide, it was pretty cool

>>12100361
penisless bros...

>>12100261
>anime posting troll

>>12100593
HOTPOTATO91.WAD: https://files.catbox.moe/7f5cuz.zip
Add decorative outdoor area viewable from the start
Add water splash sound

>>12100197

Link isn't working, got a mirror?

>>12100249

the girl under the glass milking table did

>>12100746
Lock

>>12100534

Man, this thread would be so much better without fuckwit chuds

>>12100747
Again? It works on my end, hold on, I'll put up a mirror.

>>12100757
Not that Anon, it seems to be some links are down for some people in a very random way.

>>12100752
me-irl.png

>>12099987
>>12100197
Sub Mortem textures:
https://files.catbox.moe/tsacv4.zip
Mirror link: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/aodrxp57ow90w6rk7fjmg/SUBASS.zip?rlkey=ltivopcccnovj2oo2a4ghvvw2&st=80p68ud8&dl=0

That's a long fucking link, I don't want it eating space in the news post, I think I'll just post it in the separate anchor post when the next thread is up.

>>12098446
Do we really have to keep the quad shotgun? We're nearly at the end, and this completely throws map balance out the window.

>>12100690
>This isn't just an opinion, you can see it with your own eyes (for the most part, they made good shit too). I'm not surprised this is a common opinion here.
The Slipseer group is a whole other bag, but the big thing that made me skeptical here was when Alkaline's key pickups were being complained about: How nearly all keys, no matter the map, would trigger some sort of fight or encounter. Tis the season for Quakestuff so I was feeling it anyways, but that helped to inspire a replay of both Alkaline and how AD compared.
Nearly halfway through with both and each mod has been strikingly similar about it: They'll both have key pickups triggering small fights, larger encounters, or doing fuckall, and in fact the first Alkaline map I played this month (alk_pillars) used the "fuckall" option. I'll start thinking AD has more keys that do nothing, and then I'll play alk_corrupt and alk_eclipse. A fun one was finding out alk_core and ad_swampy both have a keygrab where assholes swarm you after a nearby wall comes down.
I might come to a different conclusion when I finish the rest the rest of Alkaline's auxiliary maps and AD's second hub, but these have generally been neck-and-neck in nearly all regards, not just with keys: Encounter design and progression, level progression, aesthetic quality, overall map flow...I've seen claims about Alkaline being more "modern" but I'm not seeing much different with AD here besides the overall look, and even then I associate "tech" with Quake 1 as well so they're both equally Quake-y.

>>12100812
That's kinda the point of the project from what I've seen. It's a hot mess, might as well make it feel good.

>>12100798

Chur, I've mirrored it here as well - https://files.xvertigox.com/doom/doom_resources/vr/Sub-Mortem/SUBASS.zip
Should the filename be tsacv4.zip instead?

I may make something for this, likely a speedmap. The resources are sick as hell.

>>12100828
The nature of the progress means it's going to be messy, but there was still a sense of cohesion. This would be like making all of the bullet weapons do 99d10 damage for the 99th iteration. Or deciding that Cyberdemons are now friendly.

>>12100026
wtf I love graf now?!

>>12100829
>I've mirrored it here as well
Thank you!

>Should the filename be tsacv4.zip instead?
No, Catbox just gives uploads random filenames.

>I may make something for this, likely a speedmap. The resources are sick as hell.
That'd be cool, and they are cool resources. You don't need to make it a sheer speedmap though, there's still 2 weeks left of time, feel free to play around with the resources to dress up your level some.

>>12100125
woah

>>12100848
>No, Catbox just gives uploads random filenames.
This is why I throw a zip inside a zip when uploading stuff on there, takes a second to extract it but stuff has the right name from then on.

>>12100589
Anon, I...

>>12100308
It's an edgy shitpost themed around /pol/ memes not taken seriously even by the authors, although Doomworld users get triggered when somebody mentions it - which I think is the point of this mod.

>>12100436
I haven't touched the quake source code, but in my general dev experience, examples are often out of date and sometimes wrong anyway, just like doco. I've often had more success just reading the source/debugging then going fishing. Of course that doesn't help with more abstract reasoning if something is truly inscrutable...

>>12100564
Unironically autism is correlated to gender dysphoria (and other mental illnesses), which was the professional term for the disorder before saying it's a disorder became illegal hate speech in the anglosphere.

Just want to say I downloaded a game from these boards which was Warcraft III In the Blizzard generals and it contained a virus. You bastards are sneaky and evil. I hope whoever did that days in agony.

>>12100862
This. Good for a laugh of your not easily offended. It's so over the top I don't see how you could take it seriously at all.

>>12100876

RIP - don't download shit from random sources. If you want old games check archive.org and look for the most starred and reviewed uploads of the isos: https://archive.org/search?query=warcraft%203&and[]=mediatype%3A%22software%22

If you need cracks check out gamecopy world. I use it for all my games and have had no issues with it but there is still a risk of viruses.

https://gamecopyworld.com/games/index.php

>>12100874
Everything is correlated with everything else, narcissism is also very high among troons, except for OCD, OCD is eugenic.

>>12100898
You are responding to megafaggot, who happens to infect the Blizzard general as well. He's angry because all his samefagging and well-poisoning gets wiped over there just like it does here. He did not download anything, and the link for downloading WC3 is literally from archive.org. Please ignore the retarded british tranny.

>>12100323
you

Can an object teleport if it is not solid?

>>12100928
Is it a question about Doom? Then yes. Solid is about blocking others' movement. There is a flag controlling collision in general and making the game forget where the object is at all, but I don't remember what it is.

LIkely the final secret of the map. I'm feeling pretty drained still, will go for a walk and power through it one last time today. Already got a bunch done for the rest of the air filtration area, just gotta decorate it and maybe add a few more siderooms to explore in it.

retards ITT siding with the chicken man because of muh troons, rather than shit that matters
>code quality
>not having an ego the size of Phobos

>>12100930
Yes. I was trying to teleport potatoes for Hot Potato, and they weren't going through. I'll have to fix that.

>>12100921
Why do they call him Hunchback?

>>12100939
the main tranny getting angry only had 4 commits and wrote a short novel calling graf a piece of shit. clearly siding with the trannies here does not mean you're siding with "code quality" and certainly not siding with small egos. that's putting aside other considerations, such as the stench of feces and cabbage that lingers on men wearing chokers.

>>12100940
pickups definitely can. I know sunlust teleported candles.

>>12100939
All of them act hysterical at the drop of a hat.

>>12100940
Also check the destination. Movement code of any kind doesn't really care if the object moving isn't solid, it will be blocked like a monster would.

>>12100946
It's a long story, but basically some guy had a major spergout in one of the first few /cbg/ threads, said he was leaving and never coming back, and then some fag with his fingerprints started shitting up the gen. Awhile ago an anon joked that he was like the hunchback from 300 who betrayed the spartans so the name stuck.

does anyone have the no chicken graffiti from selaco or whichever gzdoom game it was?

I gotta be honest I kind of hate everyone on every side of this drama.

>>12100964
I just hate the trannies because I'm not a fag and I'm rational

>>12100951
Fair point, Doom threads have definitely gone the way of mass hysteria over the past year or so.

>>12100963
I'll pirate it and see if I could extract it

>>12100939
Gzdoom has become so much worse over the years precisely because of these hysterical trannies, anon. UZDoom is gonna be 500 times worse.
They've already integrated forced updates into UZDoom.

>>12100963
>>12100980
Would've been cool if someone put it in one of the HOTPOTATO revisions.
Although, I don't see why we couldn't draw a graffiti ourselves, if needed.

>>12100939
Nobody is seriously "siding" with him, he's a shitter, he's just the lesser evil in this entertaining shitshow.

>>12100939
i hate troons more than i dislike the 50+ year old narcissistic chicken man
simple as

what the fuck is the shitpost wad I'm looking for
You boot it up and the title music is "WORLD HIP HOP BEATS, DOT COM" and then "can u smell that? Dat's mah swag"

>>12100963
Not the exact texture, just a snippet from a screen.

>>12100963
>selaco
here's your problem

>>12100876
https://youtu.be/idhmY2rtMuQ

>>12100939
There's no doubt that I'll side with the man who saw the world before the fall of Berlin Wall, rather than neurotic freaks with child molester avatars.

Is there a good GZDoom compatible sourceport or do I have to wait for a fork?

>>12100876
Why the fuck would it be our fault?

I hate King Boner, which is why I put 20 of them in this tiny-ass map.

>>12100640
>kind of ok for like 1995 standards
The maps are from 98/99

>>12101061
Exactly.

>>12101057
Does Eureka have a dark mode?

>>12100921
>Blizzard general
It's still alive? Considering how obnoxious it was the last time I checked, I thought it died again at this point.
>>12100964
It's easier to process with understanding that all these communities fucking suck.
>>12100983
>They've already integrated forced updates into UZDoom.
Post screenshot or a link at least.

>>12101067
>It's still alive?
Slowly but surely, though bad actors do stick out more with how quiet it is compared to these threads.

>>12101067
I wanted Blizzgen to work, because I like those games, but it ran out of steam pretty quickly and saw a decline in posters.

>>12101075
I do see it pop up at times, but when I'm not playing one of those games myself, I don't find myself having too much to say about them for long. I remember there were times where me posting Diablo 1 screenshots was basically half of the poster activity.

>>12101065
not him but yeah, it allows you to set custom colors
But I prefer light mode

>>12101087
Same here except it was with World Edit progress and shots. There's three of us in there that like to mess with it which I'm happy with. I'm going to find some time to work on my stuff again.

>>12101091
When's UDB gonna get that? I'd love a dark mode for that.

I'm designing my wads onto folders by their comp level and planned to have different folder images, but don't have anything for MBF and MBF21 and MBF2y too i guess lol. Hell, seems like they never had any logos. Anything you guys got?

>>12101094
I'll definitely swing by whenever I get the Diablo bug again, whenever that might be.

>>12101097
I guess I have this old thing, since Boom was developed by some of the Team TNT guys.

>>12101097
>MBF2y
It's not even out yet.

>>12101091
Cool, I might try it then. Boom and vanilla is all support that's needed.

>>12101097
Just use a dog for base MBF, since it stands for "Marine's Best Friend".

>>12101097
>>12101118
Use 21 dogs for MBF21.

>>12100948
>muh troons
>muh commits
not an argument

>>12100651
People keep shitting on Bluesky, but I'm glad I can see replies without loggin in

props to the people working on projects and talking about wads instead of talking about gay ass gender identity politics

>>12100998
read this on Inspector Gadget's voice

>>12100819
There's a reason why even people who dislike the modern stuff like Alkaline, it's one of the better examples of a recent map pack. I consider it up there with AD easily.

>>12101108
Slade is supposed to also have it on windows. I can't test because i don't use windows

>>12100746
>>12100750
HOTPOTATO92.WAD: https://files.catbox.moe/vqdnbi.zip
Map01:
>Fix the bleeding midtextures in the opening room added to version 91
>Add an invisible wall so the player can't kill the chaingunners early.
Map02:
>Fix the floor segments not collapsing together.
>Re-shorten the rocket platform, widen it in co-op.
>Replace candelabra with candles in co-op.
>Add enemies to the ending room that spawn in after lowering the bars.
>Add some potato-related machinery to the revenant fight.
>Change the Hot Potato thing so it will teleport.

>>12100261
>>12100263
>>12100264
I am ready to unload 30+ into a moo or two.

>>12101143
>Add some potato-related machinery to the revenant fight.
Looks pretty cool

I took a long break, what are some good wads released 2024-2025?

I have completed my 16-day mapping streak. Some of my rooms are fairly half-assed due to self-imposed challenge, but I'll have them this way anyway.

>>12101162
Lonesome Road
When Them Demons Cry
Forsaken Compound
We Have Doom at Home (slight shill since I worked on it)
Not sure if 2024, but Trenchworkz Facility
DBP69 Caustic Industry
Grime
DBP57 Shatter Realm
There's also a sequel to Eviternity with even bigger maps if you care

>>12101165
Gnome Hunters
Neon Overdrive
basically everything >>12101174 mentioned, We Have Doom at Home is great fun and I sure as fuck didn't work on it.

>>12101174
ty anon

>>12100497
>made by a chud as was brutal doom
From what I've seen, mark isnt anywhere near as bad as he used to be over a decade ago.

>>12101134
You get really tired of that kind shit after a while, even for things you actually have strong opinions on. I want little corners like these to be calm and unrelated to all the endless dickfencing, my brain needs the decompression.

Playing Doom and mapping Doom soothes me and brings me some peace of mind.

>>12101045
Nothing is fully GZDoom-compatible, not even itself.

>>12101210
Yeah I've been getting into the habit of playing through wads instead of sticking around in the thread when people are losing their minds over whatever is the current thing to be mad about, or when some thing just turns it into /pol/ lite for a thread or two.

It's time for Wednesday Night Wipeout!
Come play some SRB2Kart!

How to join (The short and easy way):
Download the All-in-one repack: https://mega.nz/file/3dUUWTbR#Ir3l9U2JAKSdT84wQwbKsgQ1Go39xdCCznpF2ChCgmc
Extract it to its own folder (NOT the desktop or program files)
Run "SRB2Kart-Neptune (Connect to vrkart).bat" and wait for any missing files to download in-game
DO NOT run "srb2kart.exe" and expect to be able to join the server.
If you don't have a 64-bit machine/OS for whatever reason: Copy the contents of the 32-bit folder into the main folder

How to join (The longer and harder way):
Download version 1.6 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/download/v1.6/srb2kart-v16-Installer.exe
Get the custom client we use: https://codeberg.org/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune/releases/tag/Neptune2.5.1
Get the mods either automatically in-game or at: https://macgu.fun/repo/srb2kart/
Connect to macgu.fun (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)

>I HAVE TO BITCH FAST AND TEXT CHAT TOO SLOW
We also have a Mumble server!
Address: 51.161.34.159
Port: default
Password: endoom

>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?
No.

Pro tips: https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq
(This is out of date and written for a different server, but it still has a lot of useful information.)

>>12101201
>bad
What are you implying

>>12101230
what kinda retard uses mumble

>>12100026
has graf ever coded professionally or held any job at all for that matter, or is he a wonderboy sperg like ken silverman able to support himself solely on german autismbux and whatever donations gzdoom gets

>>12100026
>one person upvoted graf

>>12101260
Professional coding is his day job.

>>12100257
Played through about halfway so far
Sure is a Scumhead shooter
Sure is pretty

>>12101201
The general sentiment towards BD itself has eased up as well. For many it functioned as a big gateway to other mods, mod inspiration, and vanilla Doom gameplay itself.

>>12101267
If you remember the salty member fiasco, he has a habit of upvoting himself.

>>12101274
>Sure is a Scumhead shooter
Oh dear.

>>12101260
Yes, Graf has multiple credits on PC games and PSX games back during the 90s and 2000s, among other things, he's an actual professional programmer. That makes his negligence in not checking the AI generated code so weird to me, he should know better.

>>12101275
Yeah it's overall been very good for the community, it even got a fucking lot of people into making mods themselves.

Also these days it's not that bad of a mod, the last big release tidied up a lot of stuff and added things like cacos spinning the fuck out if you hit them hard enough with something like an SSG.

>>12101282
>That makes his negligence in not checking the AI generated code so weird to me, he should know better.
Maybe his dementia's playing up

>>12101284
This. Really the biggest problem with BD nowadays is there's too many fucking weapons to cycle through. I'm not even sure if the mod has the old problem of retards trying to pair it with everything under the sun.

>>12101215
I meant as compatible as GZDoom

>>12101273
>>12101282
He'd be fired from any job I've ever worked at if he's as much of a piece of shit there as he is online, but on the other hand gamedev is an atrocious industry that's rife with mobbing and those weird power structures so maybe he was able to flourish there

I'm the fag who said Zortch was "fuuun" some threads ago
FUCK that game. FUCKING faggot ass game....quit on the second "episode". really it'sd just 3 levels....most boring piece of shit inside out shitting anus game i've ver playev
grab it by the jeans and shove it down the locker
fucking nigger game. rip it open like a prostrate and fucking shit ass game

>>12101287
He's in his 50s, that'd be an early onset.

>>12101280
By that I mean is that it's pretty normal. Enemy types fall pretty readily into the regular Doom-type archetypes and so do the weapons with some variation. There are altfires and the healing doll and this and that but the gameplay style isn't a huge departure.

>>12101306
I would recommend it, by the way. My outlook on the game is that it's a good meaty substantial game with god tier art design.

>>12101306
I've found his past game design stuff to be really lackluster. Like how in Shrine 2 you get a weapon that's a straight upgrade and you still keep the previous one as well because he couldn't be assed to figure out how to take it away. Or how like Lycanthorn 2's cast of different playable characters are just weapons you switch between.

>>12101310
He replaced that with a fairly wide selection of weapons that you can each upgrade once with an exploration-reward currency. You can also sell the weapons for some of that currency, since you will inevitably have some you don't care about.
The weapons are definitely much more distinct than in Shrine 2 and new ones aren't just straight upgrades.

>>12101289
>Really the biggest problem with BD nowadays is there's too many fucking weapons to cycle through.
There are ways around it but less so for Zandronum mods, which BD still is.
>I'm not even sure if the mod has the old problem of retards trying to pair it with everything under the sun.
Not really, I think the ones that are left have at least a bare minimum understanding that they'd have to patch shit themselves to make it work.

>>12101305
You'd be surprised how early people can start showing signs of dementia.

>>12099986 (OP)
The recent thing going on with Trump and the boats reminded me of a Venezuelan I comissioned years ago a Hunter X Crash pic for /arena/ but somehow it was never archived and I couldn't find it anywhere, so I took the effort to track it down and thankfully found it.
I was gonna post it on a /v/ QC thread that popped up but it died too early, so using the next best thing? I don't know, I hope you enjoy.

https://files.catbox.moe/cj3tgh.png
https://files.catbox.moe/dcafgb.jpg

i miss /arena/

>>12101342
You smoking that MM8BDM Kush?

Reminds me of something...

I should learn how to make an fps game

>>12100326
Build engine source code was released in 2000,, but it's not GPL.

>>12100109
>>12100127
It's been more tolerable/agreeable than I expected.

>>12101387
MY EYES

>>12101387
Yeah I found it's a lot better playing it than the impression seeing screens of it gives.

Similarly I'm revisiting Lilith since that keeps cropping up lately and that's still pretty cool for nailing the glitch aesthetic and not just doing the haunted Pokemon Emerald cartridge shit that a lot of people took it for.

>>12100261
>Doom Moo
That's where you play either Mooguy or Duke Mookem, nobody steals their milk and lives.

Playing Alizarin with the purple palette, pretty interesting concept so far. Once you get past the initial sensory overload and your eyes acclimate to whatever the fuck's going on, it's pretty neat. Probably gonna be able to play 2-3 maps tops a session, depending on how long they're going to be.

Fellas, I have a question: I once heard of a Quake mod that featured a water Chthon that threw fish instead of lava balls. Tried searching for that but couldn't find anything, even though I could swear I've seen a picture of a blue Chthon somewhere before. Does anyone know if that really exists?
By the way, I'm not the first to embark on this quest: https://quakeone.com/forum/quake-talk/quake-central/142-a-study-of-chthons?p=16030#post16030

>>12101430
>a water Chthon that threw fish instead of lava balls
Never seen such a thing, but that's hilarious and a relatively easy mod to make.

My favourite in alkaline so far

>>12101449
Yeup this was up there for the top for me. Good challenge and fights, satisfying secrets that weren't rough to find, and neither was the board hunt.

>>12101434
I suppose it'd be trivial with progs_dump, but this is more of a lost media quest, with a dash of making sure I'm not dreaming up a false memory. I remember seeing a low-res image of a blue chthon in a pool beneath a blue sky, surrounded by sand-colored brushwork.

Oh and speaking of dreams, one day when I was a kid I dreamed of a Quake level where a monster that looked like a cross between Chthon and a shambler emerged from a pool of murky brown water with very little room to move around it. (Might have been influenced by that one ogre in e1m4.)

Honestly, there should be a Chthon variant for every liquid texture in the vanilla wads

How do I fix my load order so I can get BTSX, Final Doomer & Rampancy to all play nice and so I don't get this map replacing the beginning of every wad?

>>12101430

IMO try the quaddicted forum, Spirit might know.

>>12101485
Standard order, maps, monsters, gameplay.

>>12101429

It's pretty interesting, eh. The maps are so varied. I really like how the gameplay differs wildly from one to the next

>>12101502
Pretty atmospheric, I'm digging it so far.
I can safely say those super archviles are the worst thing ever.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1715590/Wizordum/
Rekkrbros....

>>12101529
Not retro plus the mace offends me.

Having an XP machine with a CRT is so fuckin dank. Not expensive either, I highly recommend it if possible. I turned on my blue light so you cunts would think I'm cool, I hope you do.

>>12101529
>Unity game that came out this year
Fucking disgusting, you should feel ashamed of yourself.

>>12101538
Period-accurate mouse by the looks of it too.

>>12101387
Damn I didn't know someone ported Doom to the Virtual Boy.

I wake up one morning Graf has gotten all of the troons to leave of their own accord just committing some AI generated code.

Who knew it was this easy to get rid of them?

>>12101538
>no faggy luigi dolls and anime girl figurines, just a nice clean space to play games on the best OS ever created with humble but effective hardware
Based. Looks awesome dude.

>>12101538
had those exact same speakers, and mouse too i think

>>12101558
same lmao

>>12101550

I managed to get it as old new stock for like $20 - I was stoked. Keyboard is period accurate too, I think - https://www.cherry.de/en-gb/product/g80-3000

I've got a Model M which I use sometimes (fuck it feels good to use) but not having a windows/super key is real annoying, I use WINDOWS + D often.

>>12101553
>>12101558


I'm aiming for my setup to be period accurate just for my enjoyment/satisfaction. The speakers and mouse were super common back in the day. I reckon you'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't have an IntelliMouse.

>>12100026
>feel free to fork the project

>I've had enough of your crypto-supporting fascist strongarming

lmfao
Graf saw an opportunity to get these people to fuck off an took it. Holy based.

>>12101548
t. Kekkr

>>12100026
ahahahaha i knew all you fucking faggots who hated graf were cockless and hiding behind anonymity.

>>12101494
So I thought to filter the Quaddicted database for anything tagged "Chthon" from before 2006, and I think I have an answer.
https://www.quaddicted.com/db/v2/maps/9a0dd8be8490c66a78826a0ca708bbfdaf213342791b6012a50765d80031e41d

The picture I was thinking of looked almost exactly like this, except for the regular Chthon in regular lava. Whatever I saw was most likely an edit of this very image.
I might still go and ask Spirit about it once I'm done procrastinating, thanks anon.

>>12101570
>I managed to get it as old new stock for like $20
Nice, they were solid as all fuck.

>>12101571
You do realize Graf has basically fucked off from actually developing GZDoom a long time ago and the one person who might stand beside him not only is trans, but also killed Skulltag out of spite, right? It's not a win, it's a self-own at best.

>>12101583
I wouldn't bother replying, I'd wager we either have a samefag or some tourists here wanting to shit things up.

>>12100185
Nigga…

>>12101538
I must say, it does make me nostalgic, there's some old games which I can't really get running on Win10 and stuff.

>>12101583
>Graf has basically fucked off from actually developing GZDoom a long time ago
He'd been gone for a year or more till he popped up to fuck shit up, it's probably why development on stuff had been progressing so smoothly for a good while.

>>12101597
Rachael and the others have done more fuckups to GzDoom than Graf has, by a lot.
Like look at the fucking tooltip feature which wasn't even finished, they just implemented it broken.

>>12101603
beat me to it.
>>12101597
cockless faggot.

>>12101604
Shoo Graf.

>>12101605
>shoo graf
>shoo penis

Troons ruin everything they touch.

>>12101593
When I first saw that image I unironically thought it was two dudes kissing and I didn't even see the apple

>>12101538

Here's some pics of my game collection. I need to organize and display them but I haven't gotten around to it yet (will probs need to get another shelf or something)

>>12101594

Using an XP machine triggers nostalgia in unexpected ways for me. There's lots of stuff that I can't actively remember but when I use XP it comes flooding back.

Lanning with a mate and playing 1.5 vs podbots on iceworld and poolday is like a nostalgia atomic bomb.

>>12101593
that's the tip of strifeguy's tongue

>>12099986 (OP)
was doom 2016 supposed to be what they planned to create back then without any hardware limitations whatsoever?
if so, it's fucking kickass.

>>12101538
>>12101627

Shit loads of small box games. The bottom 3 shelves have 2 rows each. Bottom shelf/floor is dedicated entirely to The Sims 1/2 and their myriad expansions.

>>12101627
>Carmageddon, Freedom Force and KKND
Nice.

>>12101538
>>12101627
>>12101636

Bunch of games which came as just jewel cases. I got the CD rack for a steal too, $25 for solid real wood rack.

>>12101630
>was a game created by effectively 0 of the original developers actually what they intended 20 years prior??
No.
Also, not retro.
Also, it fucking sucks.

>>12100198
nice

>>12100198
you can just tell this was made by a guy with homosexual thoughts

>>12101641
Cherish that No One Lives Forever disc, since it doesn't seem like we'll ever get another release.

Mapperbros, is it a bad idea to make mostly-pointless routes and rooms just for the sake of nonlinearity? I say 'mostly' because they'll still have monsters, drops, etc... probably enough goodies to make it worth the trip, but I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

>>12101695
If it leads to monsters and drops, then there's nothing wrong with dead ends. Every area of a map should serve a purpose though, whether it be for progression, obstacles, resources, or even just somewhere to give the player a moment to think. An area becomes poorly-implemented when it doesn't positively or negatively effect the player's resources.

>>12101695
Every room should have a function, even if it's a minor one. A little bit of extra space is fine, but don't put stuff in there just for the sake of it, that's bloat.

>>12099987
>[10-14] Duke3D is getting a fan port to Build2
Nah. Call me back when that clout chaser posts anything more than screenshots of Build2's built in Build1 importer.

>>12101593
Kek

Ironwail doesn't take FLAC files right? MP3, ogg, and WAV?

>>12101695
If it's not testing the player's spatial awareness and mental mapping, it's a shit map.

>>12101730
nvm fixed

>>12100185
>>12101593
>the """woman's"""" adam's apple is bigger than the """man's"""
further proof that faggotry started a long time ago

>>12101743
yeah, it started with the greeks

>>12101230
ggs
>>12101259
real ones

>>12101230
>>12101770
GGs. Ill try to join earlier next time

Forgotten Sepulcher was fun. Only found 27 of the 50 secrets. I like these massive maps with a story to them in Doom, Quake, Duke (a lot of the AMC Squad individual levels are like this), etc.

>>12101857
I can already tell I'm gonna enjoy this level.

>>12101857
>>12101912
Based Quake enjoyer.

>>12101857
I should play quake some day

>>12101957
You should. It's grand.

holy based i kneel to the chickenman

>>12101593
good to know all those rebel reinforcements i bought did not die for nothing

>>12101695
Go look at Knee Deep in the Dead.

You'll never make a bad map if you're following the layout principles of those maps, because there isn't a single bad map in the episode.

Yeah, they're not modern maps, but layout wise the key to fun map has not changed: Interlocking loops.

>>12102067
>pick up that blursphere

>>12101374
what's this?

>>12101538
cool. reminds me of my setup when i was 15... to be young and care-free again...

>>12101627
C- Basic bitch kitsch "staggered" mdf furniture, poor use of space for a lame aesthetic. Collects dust. Furniture blocks a door's open swing.

>>12101636
A- , Nice door & moulding.
D- Open shelves collecting dust moreso than a regular bookshelf - gross.
Overall: C+

>>12101641
A- Pleasingly ornate skirting board.
D- A bunch of shit hoarded behind a door and in front of the skirting board, making dusting difficult.
Overall: C+

>>12100026
>calling someone a crypto-fascist over some lame source port drama

>>12102192
Don't tell anyone but for the longest time I thought crypto-fascism had something to do with bitcoin

>>12102192
there's probably more context that anons ITT are pretending doesn't exist
>hurr this stupid tranny is just throwing out the f word for no reason
>chicken man dindu nuffin
in other words, these anons' reactions are proving the dev's point
>>12102210
sometimes there is overlap, like with the urbit people

>>12102192
crypto-supporting fascist. troons are sawing off the branch they're sitting on and effectively supporting a worldwide crackdown on diy hrt and payment processors censoring porn games because they were seething mad in 2021 that nft grifters earned more money than they did

>>12102224
I'm still convinced we have a samefag or tourists squatting in the thread. I am being stupid bringing this up, but this stank is going to cling to the thread for awhile.

>>12102234
Shit started half a thread before the Graf stuff with out of nowhere posting some LibreQuake placeholder thing to get mad at and only seemed to ramp up as fuckwits decided to go all /pol/ about already stupid sourceport drama.

>>12102210
gross and icky

What's the Icon of Sin thinking about?

>>12101075
>though bad actors do stick out more
Yeah. I couldn't be bothered with all the stupidity there, so it may as well stay dead to me then.
>>12101076
Maybe one day things will turn around there.
>>12101384
>it's not GPL.
What is it then?
>>12101529
Dev is a nice guy. Shame it's not self-published.
>>12101715
>clout chaser
Is he still trying to steal one of DNF2001 projects?

>>12102364
>What is it then?
https://voidpoint.io/terminx/eduke32/-/blob/master/source/build/buildlic.txt

>>12101695
Nothing wrong with having little side paths or rooms just because. You could plain have an optional room with some more enemies in them, and all you get out of it is an extra box of ammo or medkit.

>>12100607
is this the famous hacker named 4chan?

>>12102143
Librequake E2M4

I admit.
It's true.
I unironically like Project Brutality.

>>12102476
Take so cold I thought I was in Guardian of Ice getting pelted by wendigos.

>>12102380
Thank you.
>[5] The use of the Build Engine for commercial purposes will require an appropriate license arrangement with me. Contact information is on my web site.
Okay, the licensing question to Kaiser is explained by that then. So I guess then each re-release of a Build game or even source port based releases like Ion Fury had to go through Ken unless I'm a stupid and miss something?

>>12102521
I think that it might be more complicated than that with re-releases as that would depend on contracts between Ken and associated parties (Apogee, Monolith, etc), but it is absolutely true for any source port based releases.
Potentially, one could go around it with clean room reverse engineering effort, like Kaiser tried to do, but that's it. Honestly, he didn't need the unavailable at the moment Blood source code to make his port a lot more accurate. All he needed was to make a good use of not free, but open source code of Build. Night Dive would have to pay Ken, but that would be worth it. That said, IIRC, he started work on BloodEX before getting hired by them, so that might be his decision not to use it.

>>12102521
>So I guess then each re-release of a Build game or even source port based releases like Ion Fury had to go through Ken unless I'm a stupid and miss something?
not sure about rereleases but yeah, Voidpoint had to talk with Ken when making Ion Fury. Maybe the license he gives is forever? Get it once and release your game how many times you want

>>12102571
>>12102574
>I think that it might be more complicated than that with re-releases as that would depend on contracts between Ken and associated parties
>not sure about rereleases but yeah
I'm guessing that Ken isn't all that strict, so it was easy for 3D Realms/Devolver Digital/Gearbox and General Arcade/Nerve Software (depending on who did the talking: publisher or developer) to have a greenlight with Silverman. His contact information is right there. Asking him doesn't even seem to be that difficult.
>Honestly, he didn't need the unavailable at the moment Blood source code to make his port a lot more accurate.
For sure.
>That said, IIRC, he started work on BloodEX before getting hired by them, so that might be his decision not to use it.
He admitted to actively avoiding it and cited that as a mistake he's done during BloodEX/Fresh Supply development.
>"Problem is that I also avoided using any BUILD code at all. That was my mistake. The second mistake was failing to understand the clockrate/tick rate of BUILD. Originally, the logic that I reverse engineered was running at 2x the speed in Kex, so everything had to be scaled down. I should of researched more on that rather than just scaling everything I hated BUILD's collision code so much that I didn't even think twice about the impact it would cause when I rolled out my own if I am ever given the chance to revisit FS. I am going to add an option to switch between collision modes."
https://blood-wiki.org/index.php?title=Fresh_Supply

>>12101857
It's a lot cozier than I remembered it being, the high monster and secret counts ended up being more of an indicator of length more than anything else.
>>12102364
>Yeah. I couldn't be bothered with all the stupidity there, so it may as well stay dead to me then.
A mission many spammers would hope to accomplish >>12100876 but it also worked both ways: Things stuck out so much that it actually drew some janny aggro to have the silliest posters scrubbed out. That happened much earlier than when this place got tidied near the end of Sept.

are there any games made with the build2 engine?

>>12102612
Nope. Someone is porting Duke, but that would be the first.
It's map editor is networked though so you can do mp level editing. Which is cool.

>>12100026
Graf Zahl dissenters are working hard to bury GZDoom alive
https://www.techspot.com/news/109864

>>12102717
>raytracing support
>long overdue
Even on a technical level this is going to be a trainwreck.

Can't wait for the dwars video on this drama.

>>12102717
>raytracing
fucking why
shaders and hi-def textures stretched over the blocky level geometry already look like dogshit, why fucking raytracing
this is so retarded
why is zdoom in such dogshit hands all the fucking time
traded off shit for piss

>>12102476
Most based poster itt

>>12102732
just switch to Chocolate Doom then, old man

>>12102725
>>12102732
It's a game journalist, they don't know shit about anything, they also think GZDoom 5.15's netcode can be backported to Zandronum to somehow upgrade it.

>>12102732
I'm assuming the primary intent is for people who want to build all new games on the engine.

>>12100197
>>12100798
https://strawpoll.com/3RnYXa1ppye
>Are you making a map?
>Are you thinking about making a map?

Won't change anything, if it's just a small minisode of a few maps, that's fine, I'm just curious at what kind of interest I've attracted.

Still 2 weeks left, plenty of time for making a 2048 map.

>>12102732
Because we all know that retro games with low-res textures and polygonal geometry looks WAY better with realistic lighting effects that completely washes out the game's visuals.

>>12102597
>I'm guessing that Ken isn't all that strict, so it was easy for 3D Realms/Devolver Digital/Gearbox and General Arcade/Nerve Software (depending on who did the talking: publisher or developer) to have a greenlight with Silverman. His contact information is right there. Asking him doesn't even seem to be that difficult.
Remembering stuff like Ken's Labyrinth 2, that is absolutely the case from what I gather, but I wouldn't be sure that General Arcade or Gearbox had to contact Ken at all.
The reason why I question the re-release thing is because I suspect that Apogee could have the right to license it however they want, which is how we got an entire branch of specifically Duke3D derived games, like Redneck Rampage, Nam, Extreme Paintbrawl and Jesse Petrilla games. And I'm pretty sure that Duke Nukem Zero Hour got at least some Build code in it, which is notable due to the fact that Ken never listed it anywhere as far as I'm aware. And Kaiser saying that Slavedriver is similar to Build in some aspects makes Lobotomy games suspicious too.
I'd honestly love for someone more knowledgeable about all that to chim in.
>if I am ever given the chance to revisit FS. I am going to add an option to switch between collision modes.
Aged like milk.

>>12102606
>yep. just me and a tall boy out on this here green fog fishing and not a single ranger in sight
OGRE BRO BEHIND YOU WATCH OUT

>>12102770
>just ejaculate all over the gun and set it as a roughness map
You would think Nvidia would have at least tried *a little* harder with a tech demo for something all their future cards would be built around.

>>12101648
Filtered

>>12102352
>>12102353
thanks o'bama

>>12102770
>>12102781
>all that and still had no muzzleflash
There's a chance I'd still want to try this with Ground Zero enemy improvements but it's a very small chance.

>>12102781
Why would the company that don't even care about the future (because it only invests in crypto cancer and AI cancer) would care about the past?

>>12100898
Winamp was the shit back in the day

ZDoom and all of its derivatives are worthless. Doom wasn't meant to have gameplay mods and fancy lighting bullshit. Stick to boom-compatible maps and you'll be happy.

>>12102732
>Nightdive getting ready to make a third Doom re-release on UZDoom so they can give it the Quake 2 treatment.

>>12102839
I like playing Boom maps with GzDoom mods sometimes.

>>12102842
>Nightdive getting ready to make a third Doom re-release on UZDoom so they can give it the Quake 2 treatment

>>12102839
>ZDoom and all of its derivatives are worthless.
True, Edge gameplay mods are where it's at.

>ZDoom
>GZDoom
>QZDoom
>LZDoom
>UZDoom (formerly DZDoom)
What could be next?

>>12102842
That's not how Nightdive work, they're all about their proprietary bullshit while claiming to be doing preservation.

>>12102857
ZZDoom
All the zombiemen will have big ol' beards

>>12102857
You forgot bZdoom and RZDoom.

>>12101038
>There's no doubt that I'll side with the man who saw the world before the fall of Berlin Wall, rather than neurotic freaks with child molester avatars.
Quoting for truth.

>>12102857
There's another DZDoom that was made to allow the Playstation and 64 games to be played on PC.
Not really needed anymore as Psydoom and Kex 64 have since released.

>>12102858
>while claiming to be doing preservation
I believe they clearly dropped this facade for quite a while.

>>12102876
They've still been riding it this year, it's something they pull out whenever they want to look like a moral company, a bit like GoG.

> Do nothing.
> Win.
Hahaha, suck it Razelets.

Also, Ion Fury: Aftershock is out on consoles NOW, go buy it!

>>12102887
Realistically, is there a hope for another good source port for SW now that GZ is kill?
Sure it already runs the game perfectly, but without the active source port the modding scene will become even more non-existing.

>>12102887
>shameless shilling for consoleslopped nostalgiabait
Do they at least pay you?

>>12102887
>Ion Fury: Aftershock is out on consoles
Not something I was expecting.

Probably a little TOO dark.

>>12102839
You don't seem happy
And I don't see myself happy obeying a retard like you

Bunker map is close to completion. I'll cut some rooms to make time for a release soon.

>>12102929
Bro, your nightvision?

>>12100261
out of the loop here. Why did everyone become a cow?

>>12102937
It was a funny bit over blowing 30+ on a moo or two.

>>12102934
Do you mean a mod thing, or my eyes?

>>12102947
A powerup. Why do all mappers hate it so much?

>>12102857
>(formerly DZDoom)
rest in peace PSX doom/Doom 64 GEC master edition.

>>12102959
>Why do all mappers hate it so much?
As a player, I don't like it because of how it makes the whole level "fullbright" ugly.

Maybe a little better.

>>12102959
Because it shoots all sector lighting up to 256, which makes the level look like complete shit. I try to put some effort into my lighting, and using the liteamps would ruin that work.
I'm not opposed to the idea of using them in a level, but I would need to actually try to design a map around that, and I feel it would be difficult to do while making the map look decent.

I think that if the liteamps worked differently, like maybe it just boosted lighting by a percentage or so, mappers would be more inclined to use them.

>>12102969
I will take fullbright ugly over eye-straining "can't see shit" way too many maps have

>>12102975
I'd rather provide feedback that discourages those "can't see shit" maps, though based on the above it looks like I won't need to since he's aware.

Is still don't understand you guys. It's just a temporary powerup, all powerups supposed to change the game flow in some way. Do you also refuse to use radsuits and berserk packs because everything looks not how you want it to look with them?
What you're saying imo is you refuse to use it because it makes the game look too much like Doom.

>>12102975
Well, I don't want my map to not be visible either, so that's why I try to strike a balance. After all, if my map looks bad when it's fullbright, that's me being concerned with the aesthetic, but if what I've built is just too dark to see, that's easily an aesthetic problem.

Since having a lot of REALLY dark places can also be a big hindrance to gameplay, I use this kind of stuff sparingly. The staircase/tunnel I'm doing here is for an exit sequence where you go down this deeper and darker path, so in this instance the darkness itself IS the aesthetic, and there's no gameplay it's getting in the way of, but I want the 'start of darkness' to look cool too.

>>12102996
>radsuits, berserk packs, invuln spheres
You're comparing powerups that have an actual gameplay benefit compared to one that doesn't (goggles).

>>12103004
>being able to actually see everything is not a gameplay benefit
brave statement, though stupid.

>>12103004
Radsuit has no gameplay benefits if there's no damaging floors. You could make a map that would benefit from visor. Mapping issue.

Light goggles should just add some brightness instead of setting it all to max. You would still be able to see details.

>>12102857
>EZDoom
>PZDoom
>Lemon Squee-ZDoom

>>12103012
You can have a dark map that's navigable through torches, lamps, or "brightened sectors" in the darkness, so arguably a mapping crutch.
More seriously, what's the best map that used the visor effectively?

>>12102192
>>12101571
isn't the definition of fascist essentially:
>someone that pushes their ideology over others, which even includes censorship
while he's telling them "then go ahead and fork it, i guess"?
these people don't know what words mean, they just want to feel smart by bringing up politics to everything
somethingawful goons with troll's remorse, i swear to god
>>12101201
he probably change, which is something people need to remember specially considering my spoiled text above
>>12102861
ZZZDoom because it will put you to sleep

>>12103035
True, but you can also make a pitch black part of the map, and a single visor would be just enough to explore it all, or get familiar with its layout, or just find a light switch.
My favorite is E2M6 probably.

>>12103047
>My favorite is E2M6 probably.
I couldn't think of any other maps, either.

>>12102930
>YOU DONT SEEM HAPPY
>IM HAPPY
>HAPPY HAPPY
>JOY JOY
>HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY

>>12102437
they can't hack a single fly

>>12103004
Wrong. The point of the visor is to make it easier for the player to see, and it does exactly that, which helps navigation and combat in dark places.

However, as it makes the entire map max brightness, that makes the designed environments look ugly, and therefore mappers don't want to use them. Even iD, Team TNT, and Midway, avoided the visors like the plague, they're probably the rarest item in these games, and remain the rarest used item by mappers today.

Sandy probably used them the most in the iwads, and E2M6 is like the best iwad example of a good use for them, they legit make the dark maze easier.
Perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not, but Sandy was not exactly the greatest at making his levels look good, so perhaps he wasn't as concerned with it (though he does avoid them in most of his maps).

>>12102857
Omega Doom

>>12102857
HZDoom

>>12103071
I still don't see anything bad in powerup making the level """"ugly"""" (subjective) for mere 2 minutes.
I like how fullbright looks
and its extra pleasant after navigating nothing but black satan's anuses

>>12102895
Shadow Warrior? VoidSW, even has working multiplayer

>>12103091
VoidSW is an afterthought and basically on life support.

>>12102895
>Sure it already runs the game perfectly, but without the active source port the modding scene will become even more non-existing.
What's an active or recent SW project?

>>12103093
who says? Last update to it was yesterday. Certainly better than dogshit raze.

>>12103093
>VoidSW is an afterthought and basically on life support.
As opposed to Raze?

>>12103101
Hey, that's nice. I checked it like a month ago and there was like a single update made in this year.
It's still in "afterthought" territory to me because some basic features like borderless status bar got added to EDuke but not to VoidSW.

>>12103136
fixed

>>12102931
looking good

>>12103112
that's a lot of dude

>>12103142
wew

>>12103154
i fight for my friends

>>12101276
Gender-benders lie as they breathe

they killed him so bad he got stuck in the tree

>>12101449
this one was cool too

>>12103142
Is there a mod to replace Romero's head with Le No Chicken?

>>12103157
Yukio Ide was a treasure to 90s Doom mapping.

>>12103192
Which one is that. I've been mostly playing AD atm. Leptis Magna was a neat level.

>>12103223
Alkaline, Foundation for Corruption

>>12100197
Name: Let's Snack On Graveyard Candy
Author: Sloppy Blowjob Queen
Midi: Ghosts'n'Goblins - Stage 1

https://files.catbox.moe/nebszk.wad

>>12103090
Nah, you're a minority in this, fullbright is ugly and makes the spaces look more flat.
Not being able to see at all is a legit complaint, but I light my levels like I do for a reason, the way you light environments in games like these does a shitton for the mood and look.

>>12101138
The sets of maps where I've truly agreed about the "style over substance" remark as directed towards the Slipseer groups have been the mapjams. I've experienced a similar variety to the Q2 jams but with a bigger emphasis on trying out various and fun gameplay ideas. Feels like the Q2 remaster provided people a bigass toolbox to mess around with, even compared to a lot of Q1 mods.
Other major Slipseer projects - Dwell, Tomb of Thunder, Spiritworld - have been largely decent to occasionally great, and I'm not even sure how many of those few are from the "herd" besides the first.
>>12103192
That's one of the main hub levels I left for last, just got a few more before the auxiliary maps. I think I'm going to run out of stock AD maps before that happens so I'll need to "fill in some slots"
>>12103223
That gets my vote as favorite AD map. Really love the build up to the creepy truth and it's a solid level throughout.
Did the same guy who made it get to work on Wrath? I'm having a hard time finding level credits for that game.

>>12102937
It was Anons having a little bit of a laugh amidst some stupid shit going on.

>>12099986 (OP)
I just think Serious Sam is neat, I have more fond memories of playing it than Doom.

>>12103267
cringe

>>12103271
Are you serious?

>>12103278
As a matter of fact, I am.

>>12103267
gem

>>12103285
Are you Sam?

>>12103289
SAM I AM

>>12103271
I like Sam more than Doom, but love Build games more than both.

>>12103112
based early genesis poster

>>12103274
No.

>>12103243
ohshit
brb playan

>>12100876
>You bastards are sneaky and evil.
Anon, you've come to the FPS general to rage at and accuse us for something an RPG thread did. What the fuck is wrong with your brain?

>spend 15 seconds looking into the gzdoom drama
>It's literally just some trannys using AI as an excuse to throw graff under the bus and make their own project

UZdoom is Tranny Doom

>>12103351
Troom

>>12103351
That avatar has been posted at least 3-4 times by now and I have burst out laughing at it every single time I've seen it.

>>12100219
Gonna have to get used to how to beat it before I can UVMax it.
>5:47 but no secrets on first attempt
Did better than I expected at least.
Is it okay if I use Nugget?

>>12103372
>Is it okay if I use Nugget?
yeah

>>12103285
Which of the classics is your favorite? Personally I love TFE's theme and locale more than TSE, but TSE has way better level design and fights overall (especially in the bullshit trap department, which it has less of).

>>12103318
mostly because that map and this one feature midi versions of two songs on the same album of nursery cryme

>>12103410
Did you play DBP11?

>>12103351
>some trannys using AI
Damn, since when did graf transitioned?