Thread 3796158

It's ridiculous in RPGs how people make decisions based on morals or ideology, nobody gives a shit about that stuff in reality and operate on self-interest

Ok Dr house

>>3796162
I mean really now, I always roll my eyes when some redditor dipshit says he always plays a "good guy" in RPGs, no you fucking asshole you'd do whatever paid you the most

>>3796158 (OP)
>be me
>do good things
>world is now better for me
>and i get mad pussy
Evil doers are just brainlet virgins

>>3796171
good is a matter of opinion tho

neutralchads won

It's nice that you can admit to your own abject moral and ethcial poverty but can you not project it onto everyone else? Thanks.

>>3796196
You didn't refute him.

>>3796158 (OP)
>doesn't play life as a video game with ideological and moral and ethical codes
frontal lobe issue

>>3796196
Can you prove him wrong?

Would you, say, let a gang of black men fuck you up the ass if it would save a person's life? Most people who project virtue aren't good at putting it into practice

>>3796199
There is nothing to refute. It's a false assertion. Only absolute brainlets make a wild baseless claim and smugly demand others disprove them. It's not how it works.

>>3796203
Absolutely ridiculous hypothetical, and pointless too, as I can already tell that should I say yes, you will either respond with a joke or insist that I wouldn't.

oh cool faggoty moral nihilism 101
just what this board needed

>>3796204
He's just a gooner trying to ERP with you under the guise of a moral dilemma. That's his interest.

>>3796158 (OP)
Everyone operates on self-interest but they usually cope by saying they decided on morals. They usually believe it too.

Morals are a guide to rational self-interest instead of animal self-interest. You dumb OP.

>>3796204
>>3796208
>>3796209
>>3796221
You're not convincing me, I would do whatever benefits me personally

>>3796224
You don't even understand what benefits you, personally. Accept your fallibility and embrace the path of wisdom.

>>3796224
And? The point of contention wasn't whether YOU would do that, it was the assertion that everyone without exception would.

>>3796229
>it was the assertion that everyone without exception would.
they would tho

>>3796189
>good is a matter of opinion tho
>

>>3796158 (OP)
>>3796163
what a jewish cunt.

>>3796240
open palm aren't even in the good guys in that game

wouldn't self-interest be served by letting other people believe they act morally? what do you gain from convincing people their morals are false? op self-owned.

>>3796243
that's a very lawful evil way of thinking, it's interesting

>>3796244
it's more about exposing how people don't act for self-interest alone. else why post anonymously on a dead board at all? entertainment alone isn't a reason, there's better options. no, it's some greater urge than self-interest.

>>3796246
I'm not convinced

>>3796249
i accept your concession.

>>3796252
no, you have to convince me

>>3796253
by refusing you engage with any points and disprove them, you concede. you've already lost everyone's interest with your lazy responses.

>>3796254
I don't refuse to engage with your points, I merely disregard them as moralfagging drivel

>>3796255
then you should be able to prove them false with your intellect, instead of mere childish gainsaying. you're swinging above your weight class.

>>3796259
I don't care to argue with you anymore. Everyone is self-interested because everyone is capitalistic. This is a left-leaning board so I thought this would be evident. Trumpist tourists so fuck off back to /v/.

>>3796158 (OP)
>nobody gives a shit about that stuff in reality and operate on self-interest
This is completely wrong and a dangerous assumption to make, as it implies that people are far more reasonable and predictable than they really are.

>>3796273
Bro is making the same mistake market analysts and sociologists learned the hard way never to make again - the second you assume only or predominantly rational actors all your projections are fucking useless.

>>3796273
>>3796275
name one time you did something that wasn't for your own benefit

>>3796293
So you can engage in mental gymnastics in a desperate attempt to reframe it as actually selfish, like all of your ilk?

>>3796296
you gonna cry, baby?

>>3796296
"You just wanted to feel good"
It's that easy kek yay I won this super intellectual online argument

>>3796297
I accept your concession.

This thread feels like Dead Internet Theory

>>3796158 (OP)
RPGs are mostly for escapism though. To realize what is inside our imagination of what-ifs and what-nots

Another proof that edgy faggots really have no other method of coping with their behavioral pattern than insisting everyone else HAS to be as morally bankrupt as they and decrying anything but wallowing in nihilism as any number of buzzwords.

>>3796601
>>3796196
pure woke virtue signaling. the Stanford Prison Experiment says you will throw it all out the window overnight given the circumstance you are actually tested.

>>3796621
What a great way to confirm your retardation.
The Stanford Prison Experiment was fraudulent, which you would know if you actually did your research rather than desperately clinging to the one "study" that supports your worldview.

>>3796626
Read about the Milgram experiment as well. All woke virtue signaling people like you will immediately zap people with electricity for a buck.

>>3796630
Hey, at least that one's not fake. Unfortunately for you, its results have been sensationalized and several crucial details aren't usually mentioned.
For instance, that approximately half of those tested in the original study clued on that it was fake, and of those that didn't, two-thirds refused to participate.
Or that they were constantly reassured the shocks cause only discomfort and no permanent damage, and that the target of the shocks consented to the experiment.
Or that in any replication that involved even slightest encouragement to the opposite (such as indication that other people refused to follow the order) the majority of people also refused.
And let's not forget that even if we take everything on face value, it still fails to prove your outrageous claim, as 65% is not 100%, no matter what mental gymnastics you apply, so fuck right off with that "all".
But I guess all of that is really inconvenient for you, isn't it.

>>3796630
Isn't Milgram about compliance with authority? Wasn't even about the cash, and says less about morality and more about people's willingness to do what they're told.

why are people engaging with this retard, he's been destroyed several times already and his response is "nuh uh". he doesn't believe a single thing he's saying, it's all gibberish, if not a bot.

>>3796158 (OP)
A moral world is in my self-interest. Therefore, I make decisions based on morals and encourage others to do so as well.

>>3796158 (OP)
I just join the side with the cooler guns

>>3796601
>>3796626
>>3796648
you guys really don't react well when your fake morals are exposed

>>3796163
You’re wrong. I hope your day gets better.

>>3796841
You suck cocks

>>3796158 (OP)
Some people are fully functioning adults and not libertarian aspies.

>>3796843
>I'm very mature and moral, which is why I go on anonymous forums to insult people that disagree with me
not really helping your case here champ

>>3796833
>no argument

>>3796158 (OP)
>nobody gives a shit about that stuff in reality and operate on self-interest
Speak for yourself
Also fiction isn't real life, it explores ideas and drama, and is often about aspirational figures

>>3796851
>>3796853
You're responding to his thread because your ego was offended, your motivation is self-interest, proving OP right

When you respond to this post out of butthurt, it will also be to satisfy your own ego, not out of any moral or ideological action

>>3796858
self-interest seems very nebulous. wouldn't raising your blood pressure from getting upset by some retard's weak trolling be counter to a rational person's self-interest? what's the benefit of posting online at all? what's the benefit of stroking your ego? self-interest is an illusion, since most people don't even understand themselves or their interests.

>>3796158 (OP)
>It's ridiculous in RPGs how people make decisions based on morals or ideology, nobody gives a shit about that stuff in reality and operate on self-interest

The mistake you're making here is assuming everyone is like you. They aren't.

Most people are a mix, but there are always extremes where people are purely dirtven by self-interest (like you) and others which prioritize being kind over their own benefit.

Are you some anti-social cave dweller psychopath? Even casually interacting with other people would've taught you this much. People are all very different.

Not OP
But sounds like there are lots of Normies (or maybe fakecels) in this board, lurking around to detect if some "loser" is going to make an unpopular opinion that deviates from the norm

Why are you people here? Go away. Stop trying to lecture us about real world rules.

>>3796858
Moving the goalposts pretty hard there. Since when was it about EVERY action having to be motivated by morals/ideology?

>>3796888
Cool projection.

>>3796888
OP literally was talking about real world rules, trying to peddle his opinion as fact.

Damn, guaranteed replies huh. I should remember this one for later.

>>3796909
If OP is actually normoid/fake busybody he should gtfo as well

>>3796900
Touche

>>3796158 (OP)
Being in good standing with friends, family, community and the law IS in one's self interest

>>3796996
Donald Trump is pretty hated but it never did him much harm, being liked is overrated

>>3796158 (OP)
> I'm a sociopath so everyone else must be too!

>>3796888
>>3796945
Not your safe space. Normalfags post here too and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

>>3797122
Nice for you to out yourself as one, normie

>>3797127
Yes. I am in fact a financially successful and productive member of society, with friends and a loving gf. You've outed me, I've been exposed!

Sorry neetcel, this is my board too.

>being so proud to be a normalfag
4chan is truly dead, no?
Larping is pretty much non-existent nowadays so I can assume yes.

>>3797144
>Larping is pretty much non-existent nowadays

>>3797020
Yup, this is literally how they operate. No empathy, no ability to see things from any other viewpoint than their own. That's why arguing with them is pointless. They always autmatically assume that whatever they're thinking is the truth because they literally can't hear anything else but their own thoughts. Their minds are a room full of mirrors.

>>3796158 (OP)
I do. You do know there are huge organizations of people who do charity right? The Majority of Americans do. That whole "Sit in your hovel, and hate everyone trying to get yours" thing is more of a third world mentality.

>>3796158 (OP)
>>3796163
>>3796224
we get it, you're jewish

>>3797724
>t. sociopath

>>3797712
>>3797723
>>3797724
being hysterical and lobbing insults at someone who disagrees with you is not a good way to prove your virtue

>>3796163
You have to be 18 years old or older to use this site, anon..

>>3796163
No one is truly 100% selfless due to being human. Even if everything you did was in benefit of another person, it can be argued as a selfish reward due to how helping people makes YOU feel good. Despite this, there are people who certainly try to be 100% in both real life and games. It's even easier in games due to how simple it is to reject rewards if given an option, but you probably got a reward in a different way anyways. Other people may not give a shit about (You) trying to be good, but you can certainly try. That's what makes it noble; trying to do good even if you may not succeed in some way, including the concept of 100% selflessness and 0% selfishness.
>>3796189
It can be, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, but when most people say they want to do good, they're probably giving it a reasonable best effort (even if flawed in some ways you find disagreeable). It's very unlikely that anyone who says this is acting like the Flesh-Eater Courts from Warhammer Age of Sigmar who are so schizophrenic that they think they're eating a 100% vegan approved plant based diet when in reality they are eating human baby flesh which had been freshly harvested and grilled.
>>3796592
In the end though, the topic is about decisions in RPGs. Forget about morality when making raw gameplay (EX: combat) that even a tool-assist AI could do, it's just a wise idea in general to have choices in a RPG. You get to try different possibilities if you replay, your actions should feel "meaningful" in a sense that two different choices shouldn't lead to the same outcome (barring justified exceptions), and you get to focus on what you think is worth doing. Hell, you could even try moralfaggotry as a "good playthrough" the same way that people who want to be good will try "evil playthroughs" for fun and replayability. Think of it like choosing to do a pacifist playthrough vs 100% kill-em-all genocide playthrough in Postal 2, even if Postal 2 is not the best example.

>>3798019
Funily enough despite being ugly and shizo Flesh Eaters are frequently portrayed as a deus ex machina force of actual good

>>3796865
it isn't really rational self interest. it is just a short sighted form of egocentric thinking without caring to even think about the consequences.

>>3796158 (OP)
>it's ridiculous how in role playing games people roleplay and don't just min-max every reward and decision

In my experience the people who make a big deal about roleplaying as a moralfag in RPGs are total pieces of shit irl, like they're trying to compensate for something

>>3796158 (OP)
Amazingly, humans are emotional creatures and make decisions based on emotions all the time. In many cases these decisions don't benefit them at all.

>>3798989
>his morals are based on a womanly appeal to emotions and feefees
ngmi

>>3797803
Virtue=/=Nice

Being scolded on the internet is a very minor correction compared to what would be just if you're actually completely morally bankrupt.

>>3798991
You and this entire board are driven by emotions. It's why there is so much shitposting, arguing, hating on things and why a rational open-minded discussion between 2 anons is a pipe dream.
In your daily life, most of your decisions are based on bias and emotions. Even if you're not aware of it.

>>3798998
I am not moral, I just do what I want

>>3796158 (OP)
At least 90% of players google what the rewards are for a given action...

>>3799003
In an unrelated matter... you're such a big boy

>>3796426
It's just full of sheltered newfags who believe the world is made of sunshine and lollipops.
>>3796626
It wasn't fraudulent at all. The study went off the rails because the participants fell into their roles quickly (as prisoner(s) and warden).

This thread and its complete lack of any neuroscience understanding is laughable.

>>3797000
More than half of the country who voted chose him 2/3, bro

>>3799107
Pretentious babble

>>3799508
>newfagbabble

>>3799107
>it wasn't fraudulent because I say so
Right, because you're going to believe experts when it benefits you, but not when they dismiss a study as fraudulent. How predictable.

>>3799646
>you're going to do x and y because you don't believe my personal opinion
I see no documentation for anything backing up your claim. Are you trying to out-retard the <100IQ zombie who doesn't believe in empirical research or neuroscience?

>>3796158 (OP)
What my character does is not a reflection of my own morals.

>>3796158 (OP)
Nah you're just a piece of shit.

Exposing yourself as a non-internal monologue robot npc faggot nigger.

>>3796158 (OP)
Well you are mostly right, sir

>>3797779
>>3797803
I notice you called me names.
But you didnt tell me Im wrong, kikeboy.

>>3800560
You're also wrong. Now what?

>>3796158 (OP)
People do operate on self-interest. 'Evil' options are usually objectively inferior and make you miss out on rewards, experience or story. Therefore, most people play as a 'good guy'. It's in their self-interest.

>>3803624
Very much this. If there's anyone to blame for it it's the developers, refusing to make the amoral/immoral choices rewarding. But who can blame them when, just about every time they do so, they get people whining about it and occasionally even demanding a change? It's easier to give in and secure an audience, since in the end you make this shit for profit (or at least need it to be profitable enough, even if done for personal enjoyment)