Thread 2214058

OK, but is it FUN?

I know it's deep and it has many mechanics and it appeals to gsg autists... But is it actually fun to play, compared to eu4 and other paradox games?

>>2214058 (OP)
I think it's pretty fun yeah.

>>2214058 (OP)
I already got 20 hrs

no strategy games are fun
i am still playing however

Anyone encounter a bug where your morale drops to 0 the moment the battle starts?

>>2214097
I have a bug where you have to install windows 11 to install steam to play the game

It's way better than EUIV. It looks so dated compared to EUV and it is more accessible. The built in tutorial and encyclopedia also describe every little thing so the only limit is your autism.

>>2214069
me 24 :^)

>>2214058 (OP)
> be Poland
> get Union with Hungary through event
> the millisecond my first King dies I become Junior Partner in the Union
> managed to get back to be the Senior partner of the Union not knowing how
> second King dies and in the first millisecond after his death Hungary becomes senior member of the union again
who tf coded ts? I'm even stronger but not by a big margin compared to Hungary and the King has it's court in Poland, the worse thing is that I got the union with Lithuania too now and they won't change the law to unified Succession

the s0iredditors are basedjacking over the game but it's mid. The UI is attrocious, if you want to build something in your location you have to click the button showing the number of pops belonging to an estate, there is no build button. But this also doesn't show all buildings, if you do it this way you won't find bailiff since your rural locations dont have any soldier pops...

Tinto talks established that there is as much flavour in eu5 as in eu4 or even more, but it absolutely doesn't feel this way. Sure you have unique advances, priviledges, gov reforms and events, but you aren't working towards them. Since there are no mission trees you are just playing a sandbox game and sometimes a unique event for your country fires. So it's even worse than eu4, where certain things were visible to you by looking at the mission tree which even described what exactly your options in the event will be. Imagine playing Castille in eu4 without the knowledge of the Iberian Wedding event, or Poland without the prussian confederation. It's like that but worse in eu5.

You can't make claims like in eu4. If you want to go to war with a country of your religion (no religious war cb) you have to either no cb them or get the parliament claim, which is possible once every 5 years. So imagine playing Muscovy, surrounded by Orthodox nations, being able to declare one war at a time. Or imagine playing Poland, if you dont full annex the Teutons but take your core states you can't declare war on them unless you get your parliament claim. Or maybe there are events which help you with this, maybe there are events that it would be beneficial for you to not engage in war with someone. You dont know that since you cant look them up

It's a good base, core or whatever you want to call it. But it desperately needs eu4-style mission trees which railroad you

>>2214058 (OP)
>>2214058 (OP)
Honestly, no. It is too sandboxy with no goal in sight, and it doesn't matter who you play is. You just create random CBs on whoever borders you just because there's nothing else to do.

>>2214176
>23.6 hours
>tanked my sleep only to end up in a failed run

So uh, do I get priority access to goods I produce myself or does it all just get tossed into the market immediately and some cunt with ten gorillion trade advantage nicks all my raw materials?

>>2214203
>>2214227
You cunts never come up with an actual critique, which there are plenty to chose from and you still go
>nooooo I need eu4 style missions
Go play eu4 then, fuck

>>2214244
the critique is that the game is too sandboxy, shilljeet subhuman

>>2214058 (OP)
>is it fun
Yes. Now stop trolling on 4channel and go play the game

>>2214250
>>2214244

>>2214250
>game too sandboxy
I assume this complaint would disappear, replaced by people whining about railroading if there were more systems to ensure historical outcomes. Y'all (in the white southerner sense and not the nigger or shitlib sense) are contrarians.

>>2214176
me at 40 (^:

>>2214317
As far as I know, no one complains about decisions in CK3. You don't even need to railroad everything, you just need the player to have a certain big goal. Paradox games just don't have any interesing gameplay outside of moving toy soldiers around the map, you either do that, or you stare at the screen doing nothing and click the Build button once every few minutes. The problem with EU5 in its current state is that there's either no way to do a war, or no real reason to. You can form new countries, sure, but nothing changes outside of the name when you do.

>>2214343
It isn't perfect as it is, retard, but nobody here has any suggestions other than IT'S TOO SANDBOXY

>>2214203
EU4 was better when the only missions it had were the stock ones each nation got such as increase prestige. This type of sandbox is very enticing if you are into history and like imagining alternative history, not if you have no clue about whether these nations even existed. But yeah paradox had to add missions to arcadeify eu4 so it could cater to a wider audience

>>2214353
retard
>>2214347
shit UI, no reason to go to war, not being able to make claims, not being able to interact with the levy system in any meaningful way are all invalid, retard?

It's time

>>2214360
>no reason to go to war
Retard
>not being able to make claims
Ugh, kinda agree, and the parliament claims only last for 5 years or something, which to be fair is a similar time it takes to core a conquered province
>not being able to interact with the levy system
Click button... Vuala, angry peasants at your service. You have to build stuff to increase their numbers.

>>2214384
>retard
so you cant refute it retard? by going to war you will potentially lose some of your population and prosperity to gain locations with shit control
>You have to build stuff to increase their numbers
literal lie, you cant increase your levy size with buildings in the early game at least, maybe it changes later. There is nothing you can do to get some advantage in the early wars, you either have a bigger army or you lose unless the AI is bad. If you could build some buildings which increase certain levy numbers then I wouldn't have a problem with it

>>2214399
Fuck you libtard, you can conquer up to 30k pops or more and then you put your gabinet members to core and raise control, non issue. Also, you still get the material output and trade benefits of a province even if it has zero control, so you definitely missed that.
I don't remember the name of the building that raise the number of soldiers, and I definitely noticed that more levies were being raised in my provinces after I build a couple of those (the one that also raises food and give a little of market boost) so I think you should check again, but by the time you have the income to spam that building you want to be switching to standing armies.
>There is nothing you can do to get some advantage in the early wars
Yeah, it doesn't seem to be a way to fllorryworry your way out of a war against a bigger enemy, was never my fort anyways so I wouldn't know, and the AI is not bad at all.

>>2214058 (OP)
>OK, but is it FUN?
So many things are pure ass.
>takes +50 years to integrate minuscule territories you have conquered
>takes +200 years to annex partners in a union
>takes +20 years to annex vassals, but you lose all control after anyways, so that is useless too
They designed the game with the mindset that you are not allowed to have fun. I say this playing as Denmark, who unionized both Norway and Sweden in the first 40 years of the game, but are still waiting for them to be annexed in the year 1650. VERY FUN. Just sitting there. Doing nothing!

>>2214430
>I don't remember the name of the building that raise the number of soldiers
the number of soldiers literally doesnt matter, you didnt even play the game subhuman retard
>le libtard
jesus christ go back nigger

Problem with this game other than integration processess taking too fucking long is that when you automatize the building the AI builds cathedrals/monasteries everyhwhere sinking yr economy, also another problem is with the PU's and wars, for example my union with Poland, Hungary, and Lithuania was joined by Cilli (who tf cares about that "country") and Cilli regularly declares wars where it's capital gets conquered in 2 days and make peace deals for whole union (legit Austria gained provinces from Hungary in the union this way)

>>2214360
>>2214384
You can make claims with espionage, same as EU4. It takes longer but having a spy network in someone takes longer anyway

>Levies
These are just for the early game. You should have mostly transitioned away from them and not need them for small wars by the end of the Renaissance of you're a high tier (European) nation

>>2214399
If you only get shit control, you can make the nations into vassals. But with the power of navy, you can have good control even in fairly distant areas by the age of discovery

>>2214399
The best way to improve levies is estate privileges. Nobles have some crazy ones. There's also laws but they mostly shift what your levies are like rather than a straight benefit

>>2214444
Historically accurate Denmark experience. If you want to blob forever with no limits or rationale you might prefer CK3

>>2214505
>You can make claims with espionage, same as EU4.
no, no you can't. you can only make claims if
>the province is cored by you
and that's it. you can also make other cbs such as religious wars but you rarely meet the requirements for that. If you play Muscovy you can only expand by parliament claims/no cbs. Taking the historical tatar yoke event kills your game because you cant diplo vasal the other small countries, kek.
>you can make the nations into vassals
vassal swarming is the only viable strategy, and that's not a good thing. you aren't building a strong powerbase yourself so its harder to diplo vasalize others, it will potentially take really longs to annex them, and you rely on the AI to aid you in your wars. I've just fought a prolonged war against Novgorod as Muscovy because my 3 vasals were stuck standing on one province. I got a mil access through Tver's vassal and I guess they didn't get it?
>The best way to improve levies is estate privileges
yeah that's the only way and it takes away from player agency. If 2 countries take the same priviledges then the one with more population wins. It makes starting as small countries shit

Why are all my estates broke? Why are their expenses so much higher than their income?

Also why is it so much more expensive to move a market than to destroy it and make a new one?

>>2214520
>no, no you can't
Maybe YOU can't but I've been doing it this whole time. They're better claims than the parliament ones even

>Russia sucks
Correct and accurate for the first centuries of the game
>small countries can only get so good with levies
Also accurate, if you don't like it build a real army

>>2214529
no you can't, why are you lying? I've tried it with both Muscovy and Poland, you cant create claims out of thin air like you could in eu4. Maybe play the game instead of talking about it?

My entire cabinet is run by genius women. Thanks Johan, very wholesome!

most important question, can I cromwell the fenians?

>>2214444
>takes +50 years to integrate minuscule territories you have conquered
Hasn't been the case in my game.
>takes +20 years to annex vassals, but you lose all control after anyways, so that is useless too
Hasn't been the case in my game, at least the annexation part. As for the control, you're supposed to wait until you can actually exert enough control to annex them. That's the whole purpose of creating vassals as opposed to annexing directly.

I don't know if its fun but I do know its fucking slow

An hour to play a decade or something

>>2214522
stop taxing them

though why the fuck does the estate build these 200 ducat estate buildings that only provide +10% to local estate power

It's fun and better than expected

>>2214601
No

>>2214200
Player Ruler mortality seems wacky. I might be just unlucky but there are times when I burn through like five rulers dying within a month of each other before getting one that actually stays around for longer.

>>2214601
Is it ever actually worth it? Do they build more efficiently than me?

>>2214616
apparently 0 control provinces mean noone makes any money at all from that province, but estates/country still pay consumption costs
so too much 0 control shit will bankrupt you are country

>>2214627
That hasn't happened to me. Was there a disease in your capital?

>>2214093
What, is it supposed to be some kind of escapist hobby strictly speaking?:-$;-):-\

it's really fun and i like it a lot. I do have some major gripes with the UI, though the good far outweighs the bad.

>>2214203
no we don't need any missions thank you. what we want is more flavour with a bunch of divergent historical scenarios to choose from

>>2214058 (OP)
Is the game much slower than EU4 is it just my PC? I have Ryzen 5600x, played for hours, often on 5x speed, and didn't even get to the 15th century.

>>2214678
you need an x3d to go really fast

>>2214649
yes we do retarded redditor

>>2214203
Only real issue are the ui that is the same ck3 dogshit and the ai not doing anything and being brain damaged in wars

are you debt maxxing yet anon?

Gonna pick Holland now so i can learn the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIgKo_t4_jk

>>2214678
>>2213927
This is the single biggest source of slowdown, even bigger than hardware limitations.

GONNA PLAY WALLACHIA SEND ME LUCK :DD

The world 1445.

>>2214762
enjoy getting assraped by hungary

>>2214555
I mean the mongol empire was ran by Ghenghis Khan's wives

>>2214776
>goldenes hordenreich
german is a meme language

>>2214745
I can't, my estates simply stopped producing money 50 years ago and they are unable to lend my a single coin, we are running on a green budget or else it's bankrupcy
I have no idea why this happened

>>2214244
It's amazing how many people genuinely need someone to handhold a checklist of things for them to do. Peasants are a truly disturbing agencyless race.

>>2214787
Still more useful than nobles.

>>2214791
Merchant, clerics, and warriors are all you need. The Templars where so perfect bro, I missed them..

>>2214776
Do we have that option we had in eu4 for alternate start dates? I was thinking on checking it but I completely forgot

>>2214745
I tried it once but by the time I fixed my eco from the debt I would have the money to build the shit I wanted if not earlier
>zero tax on borgars and nobels
Screw that, I will check that automation thing and do it manually instead

>>2214522
Low control makes them not earn any money off the provinces either while still having to cover the expenses there. Your capital provinces are paying for everyone else.

>>2214785
>>2214821
weak excuses

>>2214821
>>zero tax on borgars and nobels
>Screw that, I will check that automation thing and do it manually instead
that is because the amount of dept has me locked at 0% crown power

HOW DO I REMOVE RIVALS

>>2214847
An estate like the nobility should represent local feudal lords ruling over the rural peasantry. Why would the monarchs control over provincial lands also represent the control the nobility has writ large? Or are the estates that we see only the ones in the monarchs court?

>>2214698
You're not one with the cards chud, GODhann has other plans

Is it supposed to be obscenely difficult to get tributaries diplomatically? Everyone around me has something like -170 at best
>>2214895
right-click

>>2214776
Goldenes holdenreich sisters....we are shrinking

>>2214918
>right-click
Does nothing

>>2214943
What's your stability at? I don't remember how much it costs but it's a decent amount. Maybe you can't afford it?

wtf are
>"corrupt institutions"

>>2214887
Lol, screw it, maybe I should try it, does bankruptcy destroys buildings in this game too?

So the new patch makes admin stat give "Proximity cost", but what does proximity cost do, does it improve control or what?

>>2214963
Event modifier.

>>2214966
im still maxxing
sadly my estates arent conjuring that much money each month anymore
keep in mind im on iceland and have no neighbors

>>2214974
ah thanks, I was losing my mind searching for it. So white text entries are just events, that's useful

Is Lithuania supposed to instantly hate you the second you finish helping them in the war that they start in as Poland?
I don't think that's supposed to happen.

>>2214946
Negative, so it could be that

I have 20 percent spy network but making CB is all greyed out

>>2214985
Hover over the button, it should tell you why. You probably don't have a diplomat.

Reached 1444 on Milan but I think I will leave the game here. Feels like I should had min-maxed economy more because even with Italy being rich af, still running out of ducats. Also ran in to the issue of estates being out of money so have to be constantly on bankruptcy look out. One wrong click in an event and it's all gone.
Game is fun and kept me going 30h in past days but some parts still need a lot of work.

how do i build bros

>>2214058 (OP)
>OK, but is it FUN?
No
>I know it's deep
It's not deep, it's extremely shallow actually. Game has a lot "simulationist" mechanics, but most of them are just bloat and busywork. Game drowns you in having to 100 inconsequential decisions every minute, like deciding how many jewelry guilds there are going to be in Pest that are not engaging in any way and have minimum impact. And as long as you do this busywork, you will never struggle with not having enough food or money.
On top of that, AI does not know how to play the game at all, so within 100 years you have snowballed so hard the game is basically over. Which, because the devs decided to pull back the stardate to 1337, will be somewhere in 1400s.

>>2214985
You need to accumulate a full diplomat point in order to send out a diplomat. It isn’t like EU4 where you have a set amount that you need to assign and reassign.

can ottomans stop going orthodox

Conversion and assimilation is way too fast.

While there are things that still need to be tweaked, I am happily surprised with the game. It is much better than what I expected. King Johan has delivered.

About the whiners, well, this game is a clear filter for people with a room temperature IQ, so it is better that they go back to EU4.

>>2214963
jews

Nobody wants to join my defensive league

>>2214966
declaring bankruptcy was a huge mistake, my monthly income is like a tenth compared to the eternal debtmaxxing

>>2215065
we will review bomb until it becomes EU4.2

>make a fort for my vassal
>they instantly remove it
it's like you never left, eu4...

>>2215074
That is literally the only thing you are able to do to win. As a sore loser.

Enjoy being that lame.

>>2215071
You can destroy your own buildings in the locations screen or with the macrobuilder.

You can also close them so they do not use your people nor cost you money.

>>2215083
Next time make EU4.2 not Victoria 4.
I wanna play EU4 and form Prussia and kick Russia and Ottomen out of Europe. Not just sit and watch time go slowly as paint dries.

>>2215091
If you think this is victoria 4 you are bad at both games

>>2215091
Thanks for showing everyone that:
1) You are a tourist in gsg
2) You are dumb enough to not understand the game

Go back to EU4. It is still there for you. Go, loser.

>>2214376
holy shit Jan Žižka mentioned!

>>2215101
NTA, but you're a massive fag tbqh

>>2215091
>I wanna play EU4 and form Prussia and kick Russia and Ottomen out of Europe
if only there were a game you could play EU4 and do that in

>>2214058 (OP)
People are shitting their pants over it, but my personal issues are
>still global manpower
>still war score
>no linux support

>this somehow doesn't give me inflation
lol lmao

He's having a meltdown

I have absolutely no idea what’s going on or what I’m doing, just going into submenus of submenus of submenus and adjusting shit I think will make other shit happen. I feel like a caveman in the control room of a nuclear power plant and I’m loving it.

>>2215135
To all of those who read this: Remember not to compromise with either side. Fuck both of them. The correct spelling has always been and will always be the Belarusian Kieŭ.

>>2215135
Such easy ragebait..

>>2215100
This is actually vic2 2

>>2214250
^this just like eu3, hoi2, vicky2 and all those other sandboxy trash games it's only for ꜱoyjacks

>>2215141
>>2215143
This is what set him off

>have to play tall because having provinces with low control is crippling

but i want to just BLOB

now this is SOVL

>>2214058 (OP)
Think Ryzen 5 5600 will run it well?
Thinking of getting that CPU just to play EU5, I can't bother to get new motherboard and my motherboard only support AM4 so I can't get 7 78003d

I don't know who to play, I just want to build and colonize without being on the French half side of Europe

>>2215135
Is this guy Ukrainian or something? I remember I watched a couple of his vids a few years ago, he seemed normal enough, why is he being such a massive fuckwit?

>>2215154
You gotta embrace vassal feeding bro. Feed them to blob. Become the Architect.

>>2215167
He's Finnish

>>2215162
I have one and also only 16gb RAM and it runs suprisingly good, haven't reached the 1500's yet though. But definitely better than Vic3.

>>2214903
That's what they are and were, but Johan had discovered that the estates earning money off low control provinces made stop working as an anti-blobbing mechanic by them quickly snowballing and building up your economy for you. So they made it this way and the estate' main tax base is the same as the state's. Just paradox things.

>>2215173
Isn't he a brit in binland?

>>2215167
I used to play vic2 mp with him, he wasn't always like this.

>>2215176
only one what?

>>2215173
Is he? I thought he was a britcuck reject

>>2215179
Which has made even worse issue because now the estates are constantly out of money so they can't expand anything, making the player solely responsible for growing the economy. Also fucks over the loans, which would be easy to fix by not tying them to the estate funds and just limit them some other way if you want to avoid EU4 debt maxing.

>>2215135
>pdx even got their very own lolcow now
we've made it bros, we are mainstream now

>>2215141
>Belarusian
It's white ruthenia you cunt

>>2215201
Debt maxing should be a given
There should be a risk of it all blowing up in your face, but ultimately credit systems like we developed and have irl are the best shit ever

is there any trick to trade at the start or should I just automate it until I've got an economy running?

>>2215222
I agree. Another issue is that the money cost of events scales with your overall economy which makes them insanely costly after 1400s. 1700 ducats to support a university when I am making 40-50 ducats monthly, but since my total income is 300+ ducats it calculates from that.
Also mercenaries are way too expensive, I have not used them at all.

>>2214776
>konigreich frankreich
>kingdom of french kingdom
what the fuck is wrong with german

>>2215167
Why would you need to be Ukrainian to type it the correct way of Kyiv? Why aren't people assblasted because the game has Beijing instead of the based trad spelling of Peking? It's essentially the same thing.

>>2215232
Grant your burgers the right to build privilege and just give them whatever they want to keep them happy. They’ll set up some infrastructure while you’re waiting for cash to accrue.

>>2215254
it should be khanbaliq for beijing, be it as it may

>>2215252
frankreich doesn't mean french kingdom, just french realm or in full königreich frankreich is: kingdom of the french realm
It actually goes back to a change in title which the french kings made.
Going from:
>Königreich der Franken (Royaume des Francs)
to:
>Königreich Frankreich (Royaume de France)

I just want to be left alone as Dithmarschen... but this happens every game and I can't even do diplo as a subject to get people to help me...

The mission system is unironically the best one in any Paradox game. If they had put actual missions in it instead of just tutorials it would sidestep pretty much all of the problems with EU4 missions, at least assuming they weren't retarded about implementation and reward bloat.

So why did Johan have to go full autist and say no actual content gets to use that system?

Just reached eu4 times
MUCH slower game, and honestly? I expected to blob out a bunch more, but castile and aragon cucked my by meddling all around me with vassals, guarantees, and straight up conquest
Still a stronger start date than eu4

>>2215262
It is

>>2215281
did he say that or are we going to get dlc flavour packs or whatever for nations/cultures?

>>2215291
We are getting something but it isn't really clear what those dlcs entail

>>2215286
i dont have the game

>>2215254
It’s not the spelling I personally care about, it’s how assblasted and chimped out this loser is getting. No one cares about Beijing vs Peking. Some people get really aggressive if you call it Kiev on the other hand.

>>2215291
I don't think it was an official public statement but I heard about it from some of the "content creators" that are in the closed beta. It sounds like the current idea is it's better to just use situations for all relevant narrative content that's too involved for an event chain. But I halfway suspect they just ran out of time and wouldn't be able to implement, test, and balance it by release. I hope that in like a year they'll wake up and add some basic Imperator level trees across the map and then enhance them from there, I don't even care if they sell more trees as DLC, since they're now in sets of trees you can pick them it can be wider than only for a single country and since you can mix and match them it's more involved than a single rsilroaded playthrough (or a few awkwardly cobbled together with branching trees).

Maybe they'll wait to see what Anbennar does since those guys have always been better at mission trees than Paradox

>>2215319
To be fair retards get their panties equally into a twist if you call it kyiv

>>2215319
This, that dude searched for the mod and decided to have a meltdown in the comments, complete lolcow behavior and I prefer to call it Kjow

>>2215319
>Some people get really aggressive if you call it Kiev on the other hand.
I see way more ziggers getting assblasted that it's Kyiv. Every thread they're here fuming and seething

>>2215335
I think we can agree that the people who fume at that shit and attach to some personal political crusade are midwits.

>>2215344
Nta but yes.

>>2215254
because it's embarrassing, I know leftoids don't feel shame but still? having nationalism for some shithole facing against le imperialism is thirdworldism when we all know if he was being nationalist for his own country he would be publicly flogged
it's a cope and should be shamed

>>2215373
So I assume you'll go back to calling Beijing as Peking and Rumania instead of Romania. You wouldn't want to be cringe nationalist for third world shitholes am I right?

>>2214058 (OP)
>is it FUN?
Very
>compared to eu4
EU4 didn't get fun until development was added and stopped being fun circa 2019 or so.
>has many mechanics and it appeals to gsg autists
And yet has MUCH lower entry point than EU4, because it properly explains own mechanics and how the game operates.

And on top of that, EU5 it's the most polished PDX release since... dunno, HoI3? I can't recall when they released a functional game with minor kinks that quick fixes can't solve within few days. But then again, a fuckload of MEIOU people worked on this, so it's basically MEIOU Lite, to build in actual MEIOU over it and rope as many people into the mod as possible.
In fact, EU5 by design makes MEIOU obsolete, that's how fucking good it is. I wasn't having this much fun playing PDX game on release since at the very least Sengoku (and that was guilty pleasure kind of fun, no the game being fun/good)

>>2214058 (OP)
It's great, but it has insanely stupid hardware requirements. I can get the RAM and the CPU... but why the fuck you need a gaming GPU to play a PDX game? It's marginally better than EU4 in terms of graphics, but requires disproportionally better GPU

>>2215335
>pointlessly police people's language and insist that they replace a version of a word that's been in use for centuries for the sole purpose of pushing your political agenda
>GOD WHY ARE YOU SO MAD ABOUT IT IT'S JUST A WORD?!
We see through your Hebraic tactics, propagandist.

>>2215283
>Milan controls all the important bits of Italy bu 1442
How is this bad or small in any fucking way? Literally all you need is reaching Urbino line and you are peachy, sitting on what's going to be the richest part of Europe for the next 200 years without even trying

>>2215373
You know what's really embarrassing?
When you devote your energy on crying that a city in country you don't live in got named the way people from that country want it named.

Besides, the only proper way to write it is Kijów.

Le kyiv is literal textbook newspeak from 1984. It exists only to act as a casual test that bad actors can use to check that you have bought in to the ruling ideology.

>>2215415
>a fuckload of MEIOU people worked on this
There's only one (1) MEIOU dev working as a population numbers autist, as attested by himself.
>In fact, EU5 by design makes MEIOU obsolete, that's how fucking good it is.
Yet it is MEIOU that's actually functioning as a simulation and not EU5.

>>2215450
Countries changing how they want their names spelled in English happens frequently, yet only Kyiv makes the ziggers seethe. It's a test between an ork and a human, if seeing Kyiv makes you want to dilate, you're an ork.

>>2215460
if you want your point to hold any water you should refrain from using reddit buzzwords

>>2215450
British chartered, made and build Bombay. That's how the city was named, by the people who made it happen.
Same with French and Pondicherry.
The build those in open field, where no prior settlement existed.
Then pajeets switched the name to Mumbai and Puduchery, because they felt like it, claiming "proper local names" were used.
Did you seeth over that, too?
Or you are just a subhuman who can't wrap his head around that lo and behold, people who actually live in a city ask to call it the way they do, and not how Ruskies designated it in their shit runes?

>>2215453
>Yet it is MEIOU that's actually functioning as a simulation
>as a simulation
Thanks, but I'm here to play games, not watch them play themselves.

>>2214058 (OP)
How demanding is the game? I got the minimum requirements i78700 3070 16gb ram. Will the game run really shitty on my garbage pc or will it be satisfactory.


Also is it actually worth getting right now or all the normies just glazing it like they did with ck3?

>>2215480
If you want to be taken serious, maybe don't throw a temper tantrum over a spelling of a city name

>want to vassalize a country
>improve rellations to the max
>>-1 to accept
>make a defensive league and alliance
>>-16 to accept
HOW IN THE FUCKING FUCK DO I DO THAT
MILITARY EXPANSION IS OUT OF THE QUESTION BECAUSE INTEGRATION TAKES 10 YEARS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2215506
Agreed, theres only one person throwing around insults and calling people orks and whatnot, it's a pathetic tantrum.

>>2215460
>leftist trying to act like a right winger
how cute, however you're still leftist
and just how trannies won't be women, you will never be right wing

>>2215504
Play around settings, and it's going to be fine.

t. made it work on i5-4570 with minimal stutter

>>2215513
>>2215515
Then stay mad, I guess

So when are we gonna start hating this game just to be contrarian

>>2215460
Please stop acting like I give a shit about Russia or Ukraine. I couldn't care less about what happens there, which is why I hate it when kikes and their golems like you attempt to shove it down my throat to justify their indefinite theft of my money, land, and freedom.

>>2215532
>I don't care
>But I am mad
So which one is it?

>>2215538
>being pedantic
lol

>ukraine pedo seething
kys

>>2215532
Literally the only people who are in any way offended, perplexed or whatever about it are Russians. Nobody else cares, because they have their own versions of spelling anyway. But Ruskies saw drop of a Soviet-era English transliteration and got ass-blasted.

PS
That change was done in 2010 by ISO standards, so years before anything even going in Ukraine at fucking all. It only gained "steam" when Ruskies start to read Western coverage of their shitty war and figured out that the spelling is "wrong".

>>2215252
>beylik of the ottoman kingdom

>>2215538
Hey Pavel, here's an English lesson:
>I don't care
The subject of this predicate was the third world country you inhabit and/or neighbor, not the political ramifications that said country has had on my life and sphere.

>>2215252
>The French(realm) Kingdom
Here, ftfy

I both think it's Kiev and that every single russian should die miserably

>>2215567
Sorry, I'm Tomek
Keep seething. It will do wonders to your liver by the time you will be 40

>>2215532
All I'm asking from you is to be consistently assblasted from names changing. Go reviewbomb a game for using Myanmar instead of Burma.

>>2215546
I don't even know what ISO means so I'll still call it Kiev like my geography teacher taught me back in 2002

>>2215577
Told you already - it's Kijów. Any other spelling is wrong.

I just started, and am retarded. Why is this building not working?
>there are no burghers employed
but I do have several thousand available burghers, so why not? And it shows that I have some stone stockpiled, too, so it's not like it's lacking materials for production.

>>2214903
>>2215179
How long until a mod fixes this?

>>2215587
did you wait for the month tick?

>>2215582
Shit man, must be rough when they talk about South Sudan, rather than south Sudan. Or some genocide or two in Myanma, the fuck that even is?
I also fail to see how you are carrying it as a badge of honor you don't know what ISO standard is, yet claiming you had education of any kind

>>2215591
Yeah, it's from the tutorial as Naples, I'm pretty sure it was like that right from the start

>>2215595
Everyone still calls Burma Burma too what the fuck is a Myammar lmfao

>>2215587
Monthly tick first and foremost
Also, what's your employment setting? Maybe they get hired elsewhere due to using a setting that doesn't prioritise new business?

>>2215581
The difference, as I explained in my first post, is that no-one in the United States that isn't from Burma (which I still use, incidentally, due to my boomer father btw) has ever been offended by the use of Burma nor started a national campaign to eliminate the use of Burma admonished me for having some sort of political agenda for not using the term Myanmar. The sticking point with Kyiv is that it is very clearly a rhetorical shit-test designed to ensure compliance with a certain worldview.

>>2214058 (OP)
its kind of bare, with bad UI design as the cherry on top, bad ai, and bad historical balance. i'd probably wait a few years before putting any serious time into it. hopefully Paradox can fix things with DLC and patches, but I don't have much hope...it goes without saying that I'll just torrent it eventually. already refunded.

>>2215601
Can't wait for you by 2030, when it's already scheduled to change bunch of country names together, in a single go. Including a new name for India. Gonna be one hell of a ride.
>b-but everyone calls it that way
Yeah, no. I can't recall when someone called Sri Lanka Ceylon, and yet it's the one and true name that all the Western countries have been using since HUErtugals discovered it back in 16th century.
Just like nobody throws a tantrum then, that something is named "wrong", because your teacher taught you differently. Shit man, it's almost like things change or something!

>>2215614
>a new name for India
pooland?

>>2215606
>Places that I don't care use the names that I don't like, so I'm now mad about it
Ngga, are you all right?
Or you are just trying to make stupidity your personality too hard?

>>2215415
>In fact, EU5 by design makes MEIOU obsolete
Words from someone who has never played MEIOU.

magna mundi was the last good mod, and eu3 was the last good paradox game

>>2215582
Why was there no push for a neutral spelling such as Keev or Keve? English is very versatile when it comes to spelling a specific sound or diphthong.

>>2215450
Pic rel is even more jarring. The o suffix occurs every time to make pronouncing easier
>Anglo-Portuguese alliance
>Serbo-Croatian language
Why no Czechoslovak?

I'm getting restart fatigue already, getting conquered within the first 3 years every game

>>2215614
I just won't adhere to whatever the new fad is, if back then I learned Kyiv instead of Kiev I would be using that but instead I learned Kiev so I'll be using that for the rest of my life.

how woke is it

>>2215617
Bhara-something.
The gist of it is that because so many countries plan to change their name, they decided to do it in a single go, so maps can be updated in one go, too, rather than each year having to print new ones and make new globes with political borders on them

>>2215580
>he's actually an eastern serf
I just knew. This is an American website and a games board btw, please refrain from seething about local politics of the third world in the future.

>>2215601
I have only ever known it as Myanmar. This Burma thing is what feels like the psyop.

>>2215635
hahahaha nigga no one is gonna call India that LOL

>>2215620
I stopped playing MEIOU after they made the game play itself. I don't care what they did with that mod after that point, I use the outdated branch.
And now don't have to anymore, because 5 exists, giving me MEIOU Lite

>>2215634
kyiv.

>>2215640
were you born after the 90s?

>>2215646
Oh you're one of those guys.

>>2215624
>MM
>Good
Stay mad, Ubik
Literally, since last time anyone checked, he was still in a mad house.

>>2215581
EU uses Burma though, you assblasted pollack

I can't believe Clio pronounces it as M E I O U instead of mayo. Why is she so bad at pronouncing things?

>>2215629
Ok, boomer.
Now explain why the fuck you are throwing a fucking tantrum if:
- you supposedly don't care
- you plan to use the version that you were taught
- that version is obsolete by 15 years now and people just use the current standard
Because you still didn't explain why you are mad about this whole thing.

t. still calls Bombay Bombay, but not making a fuss over it being marked as Mumbai

>>2215667
Theres no need for me to explain because I'm not mad bud, this conversation started when a youtuber went into a mod page and started seething and everyone was laughing about it.

Can you stack bailiffs with Capital proximity, anyone tried?

>>2215634
Can make a fully-functional, slave-backed economy with a heavy-handed serfdom. And it's perfectly viable option, rather than a gimmick. And it's a clear split: either you accept cultures, or you eradicate them, no middle way. Also, colonies kinda encourage "limited purge" of natives: you want to remove most of them (so colonies grow into cities sooner, as you need at least 51% of population to be your culture and religion), but not all of them, so you can put them to shackles.
So: not at all.

>>2215619
Per my original post, I care because it directly effects the political environment of my country. But you wouldn't know that because you're a 95IQ ogre from eastern europe who cannot fully comprehend english as a second language above a 5th grade level.

You are now arriving once again at the exact same fallacious swindler tactics described here>>2215424
>make a big deal out of something
>people react negatively
>act like there was never a reason to care about it at all
If it's so unimportant, why did it have to change? Why are you here voraciously defending it if there's no reason to care?

>>2215681
No, it does not stack.

>>2215642
Give it 50-60 years and I guarantee people are going to ask why the fuck it was called India prior.
Just check Thailand if you don't believe me. Nobody calls it Siam anymore.

ignore everything above
pick your chicken ____

>>2215681
No. They function completely separately. Once proximity from your capital is above 20% then bailiffs become worthless.

>>2215651
Yeah, I'm one of those people who play games, rather than watch youtube videos of someone else playing. And that's how late stage MEIOU for EU4 feels: watching a video. You are in spectator mode no matter your country, and it's very boring, very fast. So who cares if they unfucked EU4 trade, if I simply don't have to play EU4 at all anymore.

>>2215698
maybe out of sheer hatred people will still call India India you never know, Thailand was always a backwater of the world so nobody ever paid it no mind.

>>2215679
>>2215689
Then why did the zigger make the mod if nobody even cares about it?

>>2215626
What map mode is that? I feel like that may just be the result of the continentals at PDX fucking up their english

>>2215709
>Thailand was always a backwater of the world so nobody ever paid it no mind.
So is India, making the name-change all that easier.

>>2215711
Sheesh, you actually legitimately can not read, can you?

I honestly find thirdies' insistence on changing our language to soothe their insecurities pretty pathetic, in all forms.
I've never heard of a German whining about us calling their country Germany instead of Deutschland. Nor do I care about what you "people" call the United States or our cities in your own "languages."
I personally continue to use Calcutta, Bombay, Pondicherry, Burma, Turkey, India, Kiev, Peking, Canton, Formasa, Ivory Coast, Ceylon, Siam, Persia, Swaziland, Bechuanaland, Upper Volta, and all proper English exonyms instead of the savage tribal yowling your kind takes for language.
And remember, if you disagree, you're still going to have to write that post in my language :^)

>>2215711
the dude who made the mod clearly cares?
>>2215716
Yes but Indians are too infamous overseas for a name change like that to fly.

>>2215711
and you're crying over a mod
calm down lambert, stop being a rape victim

>>2215725
But nobody calls it Siam anymore, not even in england

>>2215725
But I'm not writing in Russian, Pavle

Do you need some special action to block ports? I have a fleet in the strait where their port is, but I still have a -1 penalty for a not blockaded port

>>2215771
Because the West is weak and acquiesces to the demands of lower peoples.
Do you think if I asked the Chinese to stop calling me a měiguórén because it makes me feel insecure they'd all collectively change their own language to accommodate me?

>>2214058 (OP)
>OK, but is it FUN?
Let's put it this way:
I am having fun building the Grand Duchy of Florence. It's a blast.
Can't wait for DLCs to unbalance and screw the game with regional flavours, rather than expanding universal mechanics (which are great, even the diplomacy)
Really, really good launch, and very fun game.

t. already 30 hours

>>2215798
>Point
>(You)
Nta, but since you are a tard, let me enlighten you:
Thailand became a Thailand, when their fascist government decided that this is their own fucking place and all minorities can go fuck themselves, so they imposed language reform and also changed the name of the country from some punk-ass Siam to "land of the Thai" (which neatly translates 1:1 to English, too).
Now that you know it was done by fascists that purged their country of anything undesirable and made everyone their bitch, Thailand is forever based and you can masturbate to it, rather than bitching about thirdies like a good goy.

>AMD RMA return on my x3d doesn't come in till Monday
I'm living vicariously through this thread. I just want to move my toy soldiers.

>>2215782
The Russian name for Kiev is Киeв actually. In English we say Kiev. I actually don't know or care how either Russians or Ukrainians pronounce it in their respective animalistic grunting noises.

>All this bitching about city names
Remember when up until 4, all names were dynamics by default?
And if you conquered or colonised some far-away place outside Europe, it was just named "New [Insert Your Province/City]", because fuck everyone, we are colonizing.
But then first limp-wristed leftards had to throw a tantrum, imposing strict names, so in turn thin-skinned rightoids can seethe about "changing history", because different spelling is used.
Both sides of the retard horseshoe are, as always, gay and should just kiss already

>>2215827
>Kiev is Киeв actually
And what do you think that transliterates into?
In fact, from where do you think the Kiev transliteration of WESTERN languages comes from, where in all Slavic languages, it's some variant of Ky instead?
Amazing, right?

>>2215664
Wat?

>>2215833
Oh, right, and Baltics, too, go with the Ky

>>2214058 (OP)
I'm never buy another paradox game after Victoria 3. Fuck off shill. I fucking hate you paracucks.

AAAAHHHHH I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS SHIT
>need a fuckload of sturdy grain for my pops
>fucking 22.24 demand, mostly for peasants
>use like 75% of my total trade capacity just to import it
>it's only 7.72
>but the supply only shows 0.08 anyway
what the fuck do I do to fix this demand, I don't get why is it not counting properly, nor why is this so insanely inefficient

>>2215841
>He bought any PDX game, ever
L M A O
O
L

Nigga, you have only yourself to blame

>>2215833
>where in all Slavic languages, it's some variant of Ky instead?
are you fucking retarded? did you even check if what you write is true you absolute nigger retard?

>>2215833
I don't care. I simply am not acquiescing to the demands of you lower peoples. I will change nothing about the way I pronounce or spell anything regarding any country outside the West. If you manage to overturn the global hegemony then you have the right to demand I pronounce it your way after I am forced to learn your language.
And I extend that same offer to your Russian enemies. But I really doubt either of you are going to be successful in that, so maybe try convincing the Chinese first as they have better prospects.

>>2215844
Nigga, why are you trying to import grain, instead of growing your own, when you know that there is no way in hell you will be able to meet the quota with import?
Are you fucking retarded, or something?
>Has enough peasants to get them main grain consumer
>Has insufficient grain production to just get by
Next thing, you will tell us you urbanised each and every single of your provinces, like a total retard

>politicized city name change
>thread for a game made for gigaautists who like maps
The game was rigged from the start desu

>>2215854
>why are you trying to import grain, instead of growing your own
because sturdy grain is a raw resource that literally does not exist in the entire italian peninsula
how am I supposed to grow it?

>>2215867
i think you are confusing resources with food. food resources also create food but you can get your food for literally anything that creates food doesnt HAVE to be sturdy grains

>>2215850
Nta, but he's correct:
Kij in Polish
Kyj in Czech
Kyj in Slovak
Kij in Croatian
Kj in Slovenian
Киј in Serbian
Кѝ in Bulgarian
The only Slavic language where it is Kiev (due to transliteration from Киeв) is Russian

For Baltics, it's:
Kij in Lithuanian
Kij in Latvian
Kii in Estonian

Which is precisely why everyone who insist it's Kiev and always have been is a zigger

>>2215851
>I don't care
Yet you keep bringing this subject and keep discussing it

>>2215867
What the other anon said - you don't NEED sturdy grain. You need food, you absolute retard

>>2215726
It could fly since it rolls off the tongue. It could be pronounced in such a manner that it rhymes with "carrot" or with "ferret" or with "garrote". Anyway, Bharat is easier to integrate into English vocabulary than Turkiye. Nobody will use Turkiye even in 2100.

>>2215873
>>2215886
But my peasants are seething specifically because they want sturdy grain, and I have a massive market demand for it.
>pops are missing goods in the following markets:
>Napule Market: Sturdy Grains
I'm not talking about food stockpiles. Am I supposed to just ignore it and let them stay mad?

>>2215878
that's not what he said, he said it's KY, meaning not KI and you can see that everything outside of Cz and Slovak is KI, illiterate nafo subhuman

>>2215828
Doesn't CK3 have culturally dynamic names? I would have figured EU5 would have them too?

>>2215878
>Kij in Lithuanian
>Kij in Latvian
Probably they call it Kijevas and Kijevs respectively lmao. Guess where that comes from? Also, "kiev" makes a long "i" sound. "Kiev" is two syllables in Russian and actually sounds very similar to "keev", with very long "ee"

>>2215878
>Yet you keep bringing this subject and keep discussing it
I don't care about how your kind or your equally queer neighbors pronounce things. I only care for whatever is the historical convention for English spelling and pronunciation. If something changes organically then it's one thing but acquiescing to the demands of strange foreign savages is another.
But I wish you well in your conflicts, and like I said if you ever secure geopolitical hegemony over my country then perhaps one day I will be forced to adhere to your own conventions in this matter.
Slava to the Ukraine and keep up the good fight!

>>2215878
>Which is precisely why everyone who insist it's Kiev and always have been is a zigger
You might not have noticed because you're a thirdie but it was Kiev over here in the Anglosphere until 2021, where the name of [shithole former USSR city #64] became the most important thing in the world to spell as an endonym because a post-USSR border conflict is actually a struggle for the soul of democracy and/or Locksneed-Fartin + Gaytheon stock needs to go up.

>>2215902
>anon claims it's variations of ky in slavic and baltic languages
>post proof of that
>HAHAHA THEY ACTUALLY CALL IT DIFFERENTLY! STAY MAD!

>>2215913
how is kij a variation of ky subhuman nafo retard?

>you can pump food wheat province to max, then make it rural town, then build the mill there and boom you can make your 8 food town in to 180 food because of 500% food stack
this game sucks lmao

>>2215919
>how is kij a variation of ky
Because in all the languages listed, the resulting sound is equal with English y. All those ij, yj, and even Estii ii represent the same sound, which is distinctively different from single i
But I guess that requires IQ above room temperature and also some basic linguistic awareness to figure out.

>>2215932
>If you build a proper food industry, then it produces a lot of food
>This is somehow bad
Someone tells this nigga what the 18th century agricultural "revolution" actually was, because it's tiresome each and every time.

>>2215254
>correct way

>>2215148
History started in 2018 for that guy.

>>2215939
so ij represents y while russian ki doesn't? kill yourself nigger, you have no idea what you are talking about

>>2215932
So you build a prosperous manorial estate and this sucks, because... ?

>>2215893
yeh fuck em, its not the end of the world, i would make carpenters though they make loads of moeny

>>2215959
>kill yourself nigger, you have no idea what you are talking about
Irony at its finest

>if I dont stop saying retarded shit and just continue to respond it will seems as if Im right!
dalit moment

>>2215878
That's nice, now guess what language they spoke in Ukraine until 2021.

>Denmark lost a civil war to Estonia
>It gets released as pagan
That's pretty funny

>>2215919
>Nigga unable to tell apart soft and hard i
Ask me how I know you're a Russian. Which is also why they struggle so hard with the whole Kiev thing.
Even English has this feature, so don't even try to pretend how much of a true-blood American you are.

>>2215975
... Ukrainian?
Or you are trying to tell me that overnight entire country stopped using Russian and switched to a different language, to go full vatnik schizo?
Ironically the parts that DID speak Russian are occupied since 2014, so go fucking figure.

>>2215979
Im Polish you dalit subhuman, keep telling my stuff you have 0 idea about

>>2215978
Pics or didn't happen.
Because shit's meme-tier

>>2215984
>Or you are trying to tell me that overnight entire country stopped using Russian and switched to a different language
Yes, that is precisely what happened, ignorant fuck. They had to even make it illegal for schools to use Russian in classrooms because that was they all actually spoke.

>>2215878
Bodied those ziggers

>>2215988
>Im Polish
Czyli chcesz mi powiedzieć, że jesteś Polakiem i mówisz po polsku, ale w zaparte będziesz szedł, że Kijów będzie się czytać tak samo jak ruski Kiew? I w ogóle nie ma różnicy, a ukraiński Kjew to to samo? W końcu czy tam jest иї czy иe to jeden chuj, prawda?
Bo chyba kurwa nie.
Ale spoko, dajesz, Wania, napierdalaj, pośmiejemy się razem jak zajebiście ci idzie opowiadanie bajek z dupy.

>>2215992
And people magically gained overnight fluency in that new, fake language, right?

>>2215991
They got 3 provinces and I already declared a holy war on them, gonna nice easy vassal gain.

>>2215878
>Which is precisely why everyone who insist it's Kiev and always have been is a zigger
Or, is just a native English speaker who wasn’t reprogrammed by the latest newspeak

>>2216020
Because it's such a fake language that native Russian speakers can understand it nearly completely?

>>2216020
No, which is why you often see them slip into Russian in combat videos.
Ukrainian is just a retarded sounding dialect of Russian with the way it is constructed anyway.
If you want to pretend that they didn't pass a bunch of laws to force the integration of Ukrainian because everyone was using Russian then you are choosing to ignore reality.

>>2216024
>reprogrammed by the latest newspeak
Which is Soviet-era "correction" of a "wrong" name Brits were using when working there pre-war and then pushed via UN charters post-war on everyone.
Oh, right, I forgot. History started yesterday, and whatever happened in your lifetime is all that ever was.

>>2216026
>>2216029
>There is no such language
>But they speak it
>But it's not real
>They all speak Russian!
Why are ziggers STILL thinking they are in any way welcomed to Ukraine?
Why the FUCK do you think they are fighting for nearly four years against you?
I mean clearly, they don't want you there and don't feel like they want to be part of the great mother Russia, so why can't you get a hint?

>>2216009
ty umiesz kurwa czytać nafo cwelu? powiesz mi jak to co teraz wysrałeś ma się do dyskusji o tym, że litewskie kij, polskie kij itd ma się do "ky"? i wiesz jak się wymiawia kijów po rosyjku tępa kurwo? to że pisze się kiev nie znaczy że tak się czyta, baranie. Niektórzy próbują latynizować (nie wiem czy jest takie słowo) rosyjskie kiev jako kiyev, tam też jest "kij".
Nie pisz już do mnie zjebie

>>2216038
>blah blah blah
>no actual argument because it's simple reality that they spoke Russian as their primary language
Cool.

>>2216031
And what was the city called in English prior to the existence of the Soviet Union?

>>2216042
they don't call it the butthurt belt for no good reason

>>2216039
Uuuuu, translator mało się nie poskładał, ale dał radę. Zdania dalej nie mają sensu, no ale dawaj Wania, dawaj!
Jak zapiszesz to ukraińskie Київ w transliteracji na alfabet łaciński, to ci wyjdzie Kyjiw - stąd Kijów, barani łbie, bo w polskim - co każdy jego użytkownik wie, obywatelu Petrowicz - y służy do zupełnie innych rzeczy.
Dla porównania, jak zrobisz transliterację z Киeв to ci wyjdzie z tego Kiew. Bo w rosyjskim nie ma miękkiego j, od którego to yj się bierze.
Masz, nauczysz się może, dlaczego próba podszywania się pod Polaka zakłada, że potrafisz chociaż przez pięć sekund przestań myśleć po rosyjsku i jeszcze ogarnąć, że w innych językach są inne formy.
No ale czego oczekiwać od barana ze stepu, który nawet kurwa h nie potrafi sobie prawidłowo wyobrazić, bo zrobi z niego od razu g. Powodzenia w unikaniu poboru na wiosnę.

>>2216044
Nta, but Kyiev, from official Tsarist designation.

>>2215577
This tbqh.

>>2216026
Russians usually don't understand Ukrainian. But Ukrainians usually understand Russian.
t. Know both of them

>Paradox thread devolves into third worlders arguing about their shit holes
Like pottery. It's kino.

>>2216064
ty masz coś z główką debilu? Piszę po Polsku ale nie jestem Polakiem bo nie jestem nafo cwelkiem? XD
Nawet nie wiem co by trzeba było wpisać w translator żeby wypluł "cwel", przecież to gwara więzienna. Jak jesteś tak tępy to sam sobie użyj translatora i zobacz jak przeczyta kiev po rosyjsku cioto

>>2216081
Slavs fighting never gets old

>>2215847
Even if you pirate it you are part of the problem. You play this dogshit

ale się zesrali

>>2216084
>Ruski się zesrał z translatorem
Tak w ogóle to znów - to tak działa po rosyjsku, ale nie po polsku. Strasznie dobrze sobie radzisz z rosyjskimi powiedzonkami i strasznie słabo z polskim, towarzyszu

>cwel z reddita nie potrafi prowadzić dyskusji więc będzie szedł w zaparte że jego rozmówca to rusek
albo wracasz na reddita albo won na ukrainę, nie ma innego wyjścia

As if this thread couldn't get any weirder

>>2216120
Jak na razie to ty robisz ucieczkę przed argumentami, rzucając wyzyskami i ignorując to, co się do ciebie mówi.
W końcu inaczej byś musiał przyznać, że nie masz zielonego pojęcia jak to działa po polsku ani skąd ten Kijów w ogóle się wziął. Ale za to zasypiesz mnie gradem ruskich hasełek i myślisz, że będziesz wielki cwaniak, bo zrobisz ucieczkę do przodu, jadąc dla odmiany z tanią erystyką, bo argumentów za grosz.
I już pominę najzabawniejszą część: samą w sobie idee kogoś, kto twierdzi, że jest Polakiem, liżąc przy tym ruskim rowa. Kto ci w to uwierzy, gościu, jak ty sam tego nie kupujesz?

>>2216084
Nta, but nobody uses in Polish "nafo". Not even paid trolls, since that's like the easiest way to spot one.

>>2216142
since you posted in English, I'll respond in English.
We aren't on a Polish site. I doubt anybody on r/Polska, wykop or wherever else would use that word but it's normal to use it here
>>2216137
przeczytaj czym jest projekcja sub 80 iq cwelu XD

>>2216152
>but it's normal to use it here
We are not on /pol/, kolego, which is the only board where it is being used.

>>2216182
Zigger is not /pol/ lingo?

>>2216182
/pol/ wycieka na inne boardy, ten thread to doskonały przykład, doglaczku.
Nie odpisujcie mi, ani ty and tamten zjeb, nie zamierzam kontynuować tu dyskusji. Ten thread już i tak jest kompletnie offtopic przez low iq meneli z Polski, jprd ale wstyd.

>>2216193
>przez low iq meneli z Polski
>jprd ale wstyd
If only you could spot the irony...

>>2216142
>nafo bots don't use nafo
Really, that's amazing.

What the hell, I was about to declare on the Ottomans when the Jalayarids suddenly vassalized them and the Eretnids. I now face a vassal swarm 18 strong that covers about 75% of Anatolia. They all have insanely high loyalty. What the hell do I do?

>>2216142
Imagine being in 2015+10 and still doing Hilary Clinton's Russian bots bit

>>2216204
The joys of linguistics, I guess. In Polish, it's exceedingly easy to spot an East Slav, even in text, because nobody uses such syntax for at least a century and the vocabulary is also off, since nobody references commie-era shit, either. Which is why you need to hire a Pole to shitpost in Polish, making it probably the weirdest job qualification in existence: ability to speak actual, contemporary Polish, without coming off like an East Slav, to parrot whatever your handler is providing.

>>2216218
I never said anything about bots, nigger.
And I don't have to imagine anything, we closed a farm about a month ago. Suddenly amount of anti-Ukrainian shitposting across Polish mainstream net sites dropped in a visible way. Magic!

Do I understand it correctly that peasants do fuck all but create small amounts of food?

>>2216228
>we closed a farm
link or your mother dies in her sleep tonight

>>2216230
More or less.
The fuck else you were expecting? What? Cottage industry? Nigga, that's 18th century nascent industrial production. Everything else is pure subsistence farming

Trying to send out expeditions to explore Siberia but
>No locations available to start constructing the exploration
Anyone know what the fuck this means and what a location needs so I can send some Cossacks out across the Urals?

>>2216244
There is a small, down arrow on that tooltip, right below the red X.
Hoover over it and it will tell you what's wrong

>>2216228
>polish
Citizen of a shithole, opinion discarded.
It's always a fucking Pole. Yes, we get it, Stalin was a bad daddy. Now clean the fucking toilet.

>>2216241
Lazy fucks they are then. Does the game have serfs or something similar as pop type? I've only played a little of Sweden

>>2215277
so it's king's realm french realm?

>>2216251
Tried that earlier. Hovering over it or clicking it brings up nothing. This is the first time I genuinely cannot figure out what the game wants me to do.

>>2216273
>serfs or something similar
Slaves, you mean? They are actually better than peasants, just don't convert, which is a bummer
Think of peasants as something you want to have the bare minimum of, not maxxing them

>>2216281
Ok, let's go through the standard list:
- wait for a monthly check
- reload a save
- restart the game
And there is unfortunately a solid chance there is some kerfuffle, since there was a bunch of bugs reported with overland exploration

>>2216295
So there isn't something between a self employed peasant and slave? They'll probably add serfs in the Russian dlc or something then

>>2216273
>>2216295
Also, if you follow stuff like >>2215932, peasants are actually good.
To further explain how it works with the in-game logic:
>Peasants on their own are homesteaders, each having their own small plot of land and farming to stay fed and alive
>Any actual productivity from them will require to put them to work, rather than relying on them to do it on their own
>Including establishing new, proper villages that exists specifically as bread-baskets, rather than just random set of hovels that do fuck all
So you basically have three ways of doing it (well, four): you try to have serfdom, you try to have communal productivity or you make your society mobile (and here comes the 4th subset - you send them to colonies). Effectively either making peasants productive at what they do by default (and depending on your ultimate economic goals, two approaches), or you simply let the surplus move to other places, hoping they will promote to more useful pops

is there a way for me to just release my french holdings and end the hundred years war? the french are fucking annoying

>>2216315
You don't get it, do you?
Your peasants represent your rural workforce. What that rural workforce actually is depends on OTHER things.
So your peasants can be serfs, or they can be free peasantry, or they can even be that weird land-owner class that is too poor to be landed gentry, but too wealthy to be peasants anymore, too

>>2216315
What the other anon said - you can "enserf" your peasants with the right set of stuff, or you can have them work as free peasantry. But rather than having a pre-defined pop or a EU1-3 slider for that, you have simply laws, traditions, institution, direction of your economy etc.
If you want sefdom, double-down on anything that increases traditional economy. This will make your peasantry and labour very efficient at their basic jobs.

>>2216315
>separate pops
Serfdom-Free Subjects, mate

>>2216315
With high Serfdom, Traditional Economy and Communalism, you have higher raw resource and food production, higher capacity for rural pops and far slower migration of said rural pops anywhere else. This makes peasants about 1/3 more productive, which is fuck-huge

"only" lost 40% of my country
so for the sake of future playthrough, how the hell do you actually prepare for the plague?

>>2216387
Just embrace death - who the fuck cares about dead peasants.

>>2216387
You... dont?
You pretty much weather it through. There is no way to prepare or avoid it, it's pure RNG

>>2216387
You wait it out, then look around how things are and adjust your goals. With a bit of luck, you get easy time painting your neighbours your color and also re-adjust local trade routes in your favour

Muscovy or Novgorod?

Is there some tab like in EU4 where you can see/skip the currently playing music? There are some good bangers, and I'd like to be able to check the name of the song.

>have to pay out of the ass and spend hundreds of ducats to explore terra incognita
>...or you just build a spy network and steal maps from a native
The classic EU4 strat.

>>2216424
Smolensk
Pskov for real hardcore mode

>>2216434
>Zoomer can't into file diving
Check the game's directory

>>2216445
>The classic EU1 strat
Ftfy
Only cucks were playing with toy ships to explore. Reach Chads were taking the Egyptian and then Delhian maps and were trading with China five years into the game.

Why do these fags refuse to work? I pay artists, they take my money and dont do jack shit until they die

>>2216446
any smolenks flavour?

>>2216459
>I pay artists, they take my money and dont do jack shit until they die
100% realism

>>2216463
Yes, the flavour of artillery barrel in every direction, and a lot of bardiches during reloading

>>2216446
read nigger, I want to be able to check what's playing right now as I'm playing the game

How do I into army logistics?

>>2216471
>Zoomer confirms he's retarded
Every single time

>>2216023
I vassalized the Estonia from this pic, so is there a way to use Estonia to get a CB on the rest of it that Denmark and Livonian Order own? In EU4 you would have reconquest for your vassal; is there something similar in EU5?

>>2216023
>Tursaansydän flag

absolutely based

>>2216482
have you played EU4? do you really not understand what I'm asking about?

>>2216488
I kept them as pagan because I didn't have enough warscore for both convert and vassalize lmao

>stare at the map: the game
>the map is ugly

How difficult are the Teutons at the start?

>>2216494
Good that you didn't, balto-finnic mythos is cool.

>>2216459
You need renaissance tech to invest in culture.

>>2216387
You can’t really do anything other than gear up your economy for a swift recovery. Encourage migration to your vital provinces after the plague ends if they take a major pop hit. Hospitals don’t do anything significant so don’t waste the cash.

>Only country in my primary culture (Muscovite)
>No other countries exist in the Ryazanian culture which is the same culture group
>Yet the unify cultures cabinet action does not appear
What le fuck? Anyone know whats going on?

What are the chances that this'll be on sale during the holiday sale?

Yall notice how paradox players are always extremely leftist? They HATE western countries. They always want to play some Asian or African country. And they buy all this shit DLC for every country that isn't western? It's fucking Europa Universalis but Paradox should have named it Asia Universalis because that's all they give a shit about.

>>2216568
zed-ro

Is the Western Schism supposed to last for decades? It seems like nothing is progressing with it

how do i make money in west africa when not playing as mali?

Anyone try Japan gameplay yet

>>2216577
How many decades are we talking here? historically it was just under 40 years

>>2216571
The first major DLC for V3 was centered around India btw.

What determines if a bank will make you money? Is it some % of the tax base?

>>2216586
conquer Mali

>>2216604
How do I afford the conquest of mali when my only rgos are rice and cattle?

>>2216577
it lasted until the 1430s for me, by which point reform desire was already 100%
not that any reforming has actually been done since then

So whats the best way to get land with CB? Vassel into Annex? Just take over? I figured out a lot of the other stuff but not sure on the best way to expand and get pops.

Does this game have CK3's DNA mechanics?
If I marry a Black Queen as the King of France, will my sons be Black French?

>>2216598
Exactly, Asia. Paradox is about virtue signaling that you care about third world shit holes that had no relevance to the grand history the game tries to cover.

anyone know what the fuck "control importance modifier" is?

AIGHT'

Tell me the CHUDDEST nation and the BASEDEST way to play

>>2216641
Brandenburg into Prussia.

>>2216648
extremely based

>>2216641
I look like this unironically

How the fuck do I get slaves to work as Portugal? I have more than enough of the "good" in the market but how do I get them into the plantations?

>>2216655
wrong

you look like this

>>2216660
Let's compromise and say in-between the two.

>>2216608
merc up and suck dick for alliances

>>2216660
This guy looks based

>>2214555
I do this but only with ladies from my ruling dynasty for that sweet sweet crown power

>>2214555
They're all fucking you to keep their positions so I dont seen an issue

I'm mostly using my cabinet positions for integration. Not sure if that's correct though.

>>2216512
So is there any point in inviting artists before then? Can they randomly pop out art without being patronized?

Very cool, I'm about to get ass raped

Im convinced the black plague measures are all placebo. I just lost 50% of my population after employing every possible measure (hospitals everywhere, plague house, expel the sick, early procure remedies) while most games where I ignore it I only lose around 30%.

The world 1470. I am balkanizing the Caucasus, the Ottomans converted to Orthodoxy and are my #1 homie. Serbia and Bulgaria are in my PU - I am planning on integrating them, so I can release them as vassals, clean up the borders and force my culture on them.

>>2216720
I don't you should go out of your way to get them - especially don't order art from them. Maybe they do pop out art via events rarely.

>>2216751
>1350
>"""medicine"""
You're making it worse. The only good measure is killing the jews if you have them in your country and that's about it. Just get everybody immunized asap.

>>2216746
>very cool
Or at least it WOULD BE if it wasn't for the fact that by 1440 every italian minor has already been blobbed out of existence since the game has been running for 100 years at that point
So now we have "leagues" of 2 people, with one of them being a pathetic spit of a country

>>2216751
Were you playing a rural country when you ignored it?

>>2216751
>I made every possible effort to concentrate sick people in a single place
>Why it is spreading easier?

Can I enslave the Greeks or still just Africans??

>>2216746
>>2216762
This is one of those things that I just didn;t understand during development.
Rather than having organic, emerging events OR at least EU3-style checks, they just hard-code historical outcomes, even if there is no historical environment for this.
Like how fucking hard it was to make a simple condition that makes it that there are at the very least 5 different states in the region and thus it is sufficiently fragmented for this to happen (which is how it's going to play out without human player in the region)?

>>2216786
You can enslave any culture that isn't accepted

>>2216768
Ottomans and Portugal.
>>2216776
That would be segregation.
>>2216786
Yes. In fact, turks automatically enslave them when besieging provinces.

Note to Self: ALWAYS check the Food Stockpiles in the Market periodically and set aside some capacity to import food. Make sure stockpiles are at least half full.

>>2216794
>That would be segregation.
It would, if you had a trained personel that understands basic vectors and have actual quarantine procedures.
Instead, you have mid-14th century Europeans to manage the whole process, with mid-14th understanding of diseases
Reminder that one of the most common "cures" was using blood of flagellants, and rubbing them into your fucking eyes. This is the type of situation we are talking about.

>>2216799
>Note to self: Don't be a dumbass
ftfy

I wish I could manually do my trade, because everytime I do it, the other markets or countries keep cancelling out, so I'm forced to do automation which is subpar.

does this game have blobbing
i just want to play a chill slow game where i don't have to outrun the formation of an unstoppable enemy blob

>>2216812
This is the first EU since 2 that allows you to stick to being OPM and remain afloat, independent and safe if you know what you are doing.
Also, early game blobbing is under heavy penalties, so you can get easily 150-200 years into the game before it even becomes viable for AI to start expanding and then another 100-150 until blobbing becomes an issue at all. Meaning you have most of the game to easily prepare

t. played a full run as Florence, barely expanded outside Tuscany, still had fun

>>2216812
The dangerous blobs in this game are the ones that exist at the start. Egypt, France, Golden Horde, Yuan, etc. Rapid expansion doesnt lead to snowballs because of integration and control.

Holy FUCK EUV is an insane time sink

Yesterday after an evening nap I just played through the entire night, until it was 8am and I had to go. Today I bake chicken legs, play for a bit and they are seemingly instantly ready after immersing myself for a bit. Before I made this thread it was 8pm, I played for a bit more and now it's suddenly 2am.

I haven't had an experience like this for years. Usually I get bored quickly with games.

>>2214058 (OP)
Your core gameplay loop is rejecting the "admit seniority" vote your personal union party tries to push on you. I do that more than building stuff, declaring wars or calling for parliament meetings.

Just hovered over my province integration as it seemed to be taking a long time, little over half way, only to find out it still has 40 more years to go. What the fuck has gone wrong? All the modifiers are good. The assigned guy has literally a perfect 100 milscore.
This surely isn't right, I'm sure I cored some other provinces earlier 10 times faster. Can anyone tell what's happening here?

Did the /gsg/ chuds give up shitting on the game or something?

>>2215614
i know a sri lankan guy and he calls it ceylon for some reason

>>2216851
It's intended. You're supposed to hold most of your conquered land through vassals until you get better tech I think.

>>2216853
No they're still forcing it on the gay OP of theirs

>>2214167
>The built in tutorial and encyclopedia also describe every little thing so the only limit is your autism
Based if true, that explains why they've been sending keys out to youtubers that don't have very much experience with EU games.

>>2214203
>Since there are no mission trees you are just playing a sandbox game and sometimes a unique event for your country fires
Why are you presenting this like it's a bad thing? Are you retarded? It's a grand STRATEGY game, you're supposed to come up with a strategy and then act on it in the game, not pick from one of four outcomes and watch the game play itself.

Is it true that Paradox made England really weak when it was the strongest country under Edward III?

Sometimes the diplo option to just "ask for money" appears, you click a random country and they give you 1000 ducats, in 1400 mind you
I did it 5 times, I feel like bibi pulling up to the white house to ask for another trillion dollars

>>2216896
I am the one who gives money away for no reason
>t. milan

>naples is the leader of the guelph faction
>naples also supports the french pope over the roman pope
I'm confused

>>2216911
They didn't think a lot of things trough in those crisis
Being literally allied with the pope or the holy roman emperor doesn't change anything in the balance

is this free capital economy progress?

>>2216424
you can early kill sweden with novgorod

>>2216923
No, it's traditional economy
Equality increases communalism, most profitable first is capitalism and infrastructure, then most profitable is communalism and capitalism (and best option, anyway)

>>2216892
Is it true that you are a complete, clueless retard, or just pretending?

>>2216825
From all those listed, only France doesn't get a counter-mechanic (other than the war with England, that is), so it's ok, they got weaker and dismantle.

>>2216884
Nta, but the problem is that it's not a real sandbox.
A sandbox would have those unique events play out organically. They don't. It's just event past specific date, no matter what. It's very weird already by late 1400s, and completely retarded in 1700s. You get events for countries that don't exist anymore, or are complete pushovers due to history playing out differently. Or just stuff like >>2216746, where Milan unified all of northern Italy already (and thus there are no weak city states to exploit), yet there is event for Italian Wars.
In actual sandbox, that event wouldn't fire in his play, because circumstances are different.

>>2216884
But in case it wasn't clear: I'm fucking glad mission trees are not present. Adding those was one of the dumbest decisions in EU4

>>2215626
>Why was there no push for a neutral spelling such as Keev or Keve?
I still believe what I said in one of the earlier Project Caesar threads that they should have went with Ciovia. The entirety of Europe should have been in Latin since that was the literary lingua franca of the time (not to be confused with the Lingua Franca that mediterranean traders used). EU1 and the original EU board game that the vidya was initially based on had this approach.

>>2216961
Sounds like those are unintended bugs that will be fixed later on. Paradox has been back to their old ways of releasing games that are barely functional and then fixing them after release for several years now.

>In union with Hungary
>They vote for seniority
>Next time they vote for federation
>This happens in a loop non stop for decades
>If i dare to vote differently from them i get my estate satisfaction nuked
Wtf? Is this a bug? Why is the AI so schizophrenic? I have to click this shit every few years or i get my estated nuked, can't even ignore or automate this.

Anyone know of a good way to get prestige?
I've had enough land to be kingdom tier for decades, but my prestige just decays away long before getting to 50. Even winning a whole war and selecting humiliate only gives 5.

The ruler of the Ottomans is a Catholic (wife of previous Muslim ruler) who's married to a Muslim 20 years younger than her and exclusively has Muslim children, so there's no valid heir because the state religion is Orthodox Christianity. So naturally the Pope is launching a crusade against whatever the fuck is going on over there.

Any ways to speed up annexation? I went full integration but it would still take me 200 years to annex norway.

For a Poland campaign, is day 1 alliance-breaking Lithuania always your best choice? You could carpet siege the Teutonic Knights while Bohemia's vassal swarm fucks around in Lithuania, but you have no control over the peace treaty and almost always end up with like 4 disjointed locations in different provinces. Even trying to separate peace doesn't work too well because the AI will refuse to peace out unless you manage to siege down some of Bohemia first.

not having critical resources in your market kinda sucks ass and they don't stockpile enough to keep it from fluctuating month to month

honestly I really fucking dislike this vassal swarm idea

>>2216953
I'll take your angry response as it being true

Is this a bug or am I being smooth brained? The other estates aren't doing it.
The estate equilibrium is as if it's taxed at 12% too.

PAID RAILROADING will ruin this game if left unchecked
the AI CAN BE FIXED with a COMPETENT DEDICATED AI TEAM
however it is likely the MONEY HUNGRY CAPITALISTS of FRED WESTER under the influence of copious STAFF ROOM BEER will CHEAPEN the game and SAP YOU FOR MONEY under the guise of making the game play out historically
schizocaps posting because no one reads past the first ten minutes anyway

>>2217023
did you give them tax exempt status

remember the above post when you see reddit pros going mental at the fact they formed who cares with $20 pay to win 'situations' for x country and basedmaxxing at the fact that ottomans is hardcoded to gobble up 900% of everything same as the last game
if* if that happens. because that the game landed the way it has (minus the inactive and underwhelming ai personality) is a miracle which is beyond the natural state of paradox

and i retain hope*

Is the force religion on vassal option broken?
Every time I try it the vassal just IMMEDIATELY converts back to the original religion

>>2216215
Guys I need help

>>2217101
expand west or go north

>>2216751
I had a really okay outcome with isolating the cities and closing the borders. Other than that, it seems extremely random. You might do nothing and it's fine, you might do everything and it gets fucked.

>start the game
>lets play japan, nice isolated country, should be easy to learn the ropes
>wtf is this shogunate shit
>why do I see a million armies when I zoom in
>wtf these arent even vasalls they actually implemented some unique shit for japan already
>how do international organisations work
>fumble around for a while
>quit before ever unpausing and go play a real country

>>2217146
This is why I chose Norway, you're out of the clusterfuck of Central Europe and only have to manage a Personal Union with Sweden.

>>2217146
Japan is fundamentally broken in the game and shouldn't be played

>>2217139
It seems to really be a dilemma where the easy options that make people happy do nothing and the draconian measures that make people angry actually do something

This game would like a lot better if there was a one click button to automate armies to behave like regular AI.

>>2217146
if you want to play in east asia play as korea. yuan and japan aren't beginner countries.

>>2217167
I'm not married to east asia, I just wanted to play an isolated country that lets me dick around a bit for starters

>>2217168
korea is good for that. both of your rivals in japan and yuan fall apart and the ai is too incompetent to put it back together.

>>2217051
I think every nation just really likes converting if their population is a different religion, with no special exception for vassals who have been forced to change (or anyone else). I'm playing in India and all the muslim AIs are going native and turning into Hindus. It's pretty dumb, but I'm pretty sure it's also clearly the optimal thing to do, changing ruler religion is way too cheap (flat 50 stab) while actually converting population is an expensive centuries long endeavor.

>Want to play the game cause it looks fun
>But im unironically an idiot so i dont know if ill be able to wrap my head around everything.

>>2216751
You can monitor the effect by the way. Use the disease map mode to check the disease resistance of your provinces after and before you do an action.

A couple questions.

Build good food rgo, turn into village, build mill for food printer?

If I conquer lands foreign to my culture and my religion. What steps do I take to controlling it effectively. Convert, assimilate, integrate, and then control?

I ask this because I have played Teutons a couple of times, not for long, and never for very far.

I can beat Lithuania, I can take some lands etc. But what the fuck do i do with this. I try assimilating and it doesn’t do much. I try convert and it doesn’t do much. I take forever to integrate danzig. How can I get germans to settle the land? I’m fighting a rising tide here, and I guess that’s the point, but how can I get shit stable to create a strong base for further crusades?

>>2217146
Related to that, are there any other countries that are not for beginners that on the surface you would think are?

>>2216751
>>2217139
>>2217182
Segregating the infected and isolating cities seem to be the two really effective options. Isolating the cities requires control and cities to control. Segregating the infected is something you probably want to do every time unless you're a really tall OPM, in which case you might want to build the pest house.

Been a while since I played EU4, but didn't they make it so that military access was given to both sides in a war?
Every fucking war I fight has these AI pricks laughing at me from my border in some neutral nation, just waiting for me to leave to another front so they can fuck up my lands when I'm gone.

The best part of the game is slaughtering the enemies levies repeatedly and seeing how the next war their population failed to rebound.

>see scary timurid
>build spy network
>assassinate him
>timmys reign of blobbing comes to an end
lol

>use spy network to build a claim cores CB
>finish building CB
>country with my cores goes into a civil war
>figure I may as well let them deplete their levies
>civil war ends
>claim core CB is gone from the declare war reason list
>country diplomacy view still shows that I have a CB on them
Johan should be beaten to death by nafris with hammers for insisting on porting over jank mechanics from Imperator

The HRE mechanics are actually kinda nice. Not as good as it could be, of course, but its already better than EU4.

How do I increase crown power?

>>2214058 (OP)
From what I heard, yah, probably will pick it up.

>>2214887
modern money theory in practice huh

>>2215135
The correct spelling is whatever I rename it to. Any suggestions?

>>2217259
theres a building to help, i think theres tech research eventually,increase control, revoke council shit, increase legitimacy, centralized value, that one crown estate reform

>>2215148
fun fact, I asked around, not even ukranians care about that anymore.

Are marriages bugged? When I try to arrange a marriage there's no options so I can only marry peasants.

>>2215252
Actually it's king's empire of French empire, and yeah it's dumb.

>>2216756
immunization was popularized in the 18th century, good luck.

>>2217272
The game doesnt generate enough characters at the beginning for marriages to be consistent. You have to wait 50ish years for the arrange marriage to be viable. You should be able to marry nobles via a different button, though.

>>2217234
That's a VERY ESL event text.

Almost 20 years in here as Byzantium. Started off with a no-CB war against the Ottomans, which I used to cut off their sea access. The loss in stability from declaring it meant that I had to navigate a lengthy succession crisis that triggered a series of civil wars. Now though I've essentially consolidated my rule, although the hunt for an heir continues. Unfortunately my daughter whom is the heir apparent has picked up the idiot trait, so I'm trying to figure out a way to shift the succession to my brother, who has great traits. It costs 50 stability and 50 legitimacy to change the law, which I'm not eager to do since it will cause me to go negative on stability and will probably cause another round of civil wars.

game is bruuuutal. after spending like 10 years to get my shithole country into the green the black death pops up and kills everyone

>>2217298
so you know it's coming but you don't prepare at all to mitigate the effects? sounds to me like a you problem.

>spent 20 minutes looking around at countries trying to pick one for a first run

It was over before it even began.

There any good starter nations you guys recommend? Everytime I play Holland something disastrous happens like England/France declaring war on me, both kings die and a civil war breaks out, or I just manage everything like shit.

>>2217324
Norway is comfy

>>2217271
Why would they? Most of them speak Russian, not English.

>>2216911
It’s pretty simple:
Ghibelline/Roman: Hate the French, they want a Roman pontiff under the Emperor’s dominion
Ghibelline/Avignon: Hate the Pope
Guelph/Roman: Pope’s top guy
Guelph/Avignon: Hate the HRE, want Germany out of Italy

>>2217345
I wish they had invented shitposting in those days, Italian politics would have made for some of the best in history

>>2217325
true, i dont get the whole personal union thing tho. Is there a way to make the king choose norway as his primary title?

>>2217324
I'd recommend Portugal but but it's actually not that comfy at all with some massive civil wars early on and the constant moorish threat.
>>2217363
Yeah, it happened in my playthrough after Sweden got cucked. I think it happens if you overcome them in Great Power status. I didnt like playing as Norway, though. Awful control makes you an isolated court at Oslo and you need maritime presence doesnt seem to be working as it should right now. And if you do overtake Sweden in the PU, you become a huge target with a pretty weak army.

>>2215141
It's a actually Kijów

>>2215725
>And remember, if you disagree, you're still going to have to write that post in my language :^)
Hard to call this language yours if native speakers of English make up for vast minority among all users.

>>2214384
>Vuala.
Anon...

>>2214203
>Since there are no mission trees you are just playing a sandbox game
This is a good thing though

>It's a good base, core or whatever you want to call it. But it desperately needs eu4-style mission trees which railroad you
This is very false. It almost seems like rage-bait. Railroading is bad. Games like this should handle the system necessary that carrying historical strategies makes the most sense. Historical conditions should be replicated by pops and competing interests, not railroaded events. This is why hoi is the one paradox game I don't play - I disliked when they added this to eu and I haven't played since then.

>>2217423
*Games like this should have the necessary systems that carrying out historical strategies makes the most sense

>>2214203
>call others redditors
>complains about lack of mission trees
Just fuck off, newfag

>>2217426
>*Games like this should have the necessary systems that carrying out historical strategies makes the most sense
Why? What has happened irl did not happen due to course of events and decisions being the most optimal but mostly due to random shit happening, up to the point in mid-later modernity when centralised countries became a lot more rational actors.

>the game actually throws a game over screen at you once you hit 1400 with Japan
Lmao. Why did they even make it playable? They should had made it an unselectable tag just how republics were in CK2.

>>2217324
I got BTFO by Bongs as Holland in my first game too. Might try someplace irrelevant like Iceland instead to get to know the game's systems better.

>>2217435
Skeleton content for the Japan DLC.

>>2216571
>They HATE western countries. They always want to play some Asian or African country. And they buy all this shit DLC for every country that isn't western
This is extremely false statistically

what exactly is causing 3d terrain to be such a graphics hog? doesn't look particularly impressive

>>2217146
unironically filtered

>>2217437
>Might try someplace irrelevant like Iceland

Don't do that, you won't actually get to interact with any of the game's systems playing some shithole.

>>2217433
I mean you (and the ai) should be incentived to go through mostly historical paths. It's true that decision making wasn't optimal, but there were often incentives (which sometimes can't be implemented) in game that led to those decisions. For example, there are war games where carrying out strategies that were actual strategies in WW2 work and are viable, simply because the game reproduces enough of the constraints that those decisions were made in consideration of.

>>2217457
Historical strategies don't necessarily have to be the most optimal but most of the time they have to be "just good enough" to work.

How do i feed my country? i make one rural town a full of food production?

>>2217457
*incentives in history

Is there a way to outcompete an existing market into nonexistence?

>>2217322
Thats why i always pick somewhere in Italy to go with first. Either Florence, Milan or Naples. btw does the Pope have any interesting mechanics? I dont think ive heard much about people playing him.

My next queen will be so fucking cute.

>>2217324
Bohemia, just don't go Hussite

>>2217437
>>2217450
The gameplay of both Iceland and Greenland is just speed 5ing and currying favors nonstop for money and settlers

>>2217465
you can take control of it in a war treaty, i assume the ai eventually kills its markets if they're small enough

>>2217183
In the early game, unless you have cores, good proximity, and good control over new territory, it is almost always better to make a vassal. They will core the territory, build it, develop it, and raise more levies from it. For some countries at game start, like the byzantines, creating vassals with starting territory is a good first step. I don't imagine the Teutons are in such a position but now you know.

>>2217295
Why would you no cb the ottomans when you have the option to generate can on them? Not that it matters regarding avoiding the stability hit and disasters, the earthquake will do that to you anyway.

>>2217183
You can use favors to ask for settlers.

>>2217498
Certainly still worthwhile for the Teutons. Vassals have their own cabinet which means they can really shorten the convert/integrate/assimilate time.

Should I move my capitol to Dubh Linn after I unite Eire or put it somewhere in the center of the island for proximitymaxxing?

>>2217457
Hence why I mentioned rationality of state actors. There wasn't much in pre centralised pre more modern state. King fell from horse and killed himself, and such occurances reflected in historical outcomes. How do you model that? The concept of history as has happened being the inevitable path is futile.

>>2217477
Papist hands wrote this

>>2217493
Hm, a shame. Flanders is still a vassal of France, and there's no way I'm going to beat them in a war

Btw, in the royal marriage screen there's a filter for direct heirs, just in case you guys didn't know

Bros...why did she change culture to Catalan...she spend her entire youth at my court...

>the number inside the "Recruit Regulars" button isn't your forcelimit, it's your "Expected Army Size"
>being over it does nothing
>being under it does nothing

>two competing EU5 threads
for what reason? I didn't even know about this one until just now

Is it worth it to spend most (all) of my cabinet time integrating?

>>2217547
you can't kill all the sacred calves in one go anon

>>2217552
yes, integration is top prio

That command about turning off rendering really does speed up the game. What was Paradox even thinking?

>trade company hq building is bugged
how am i gonna voc the east indies now

>>2217569
It does so by telling your GPU to not give a shit about rendering obviously. Fine if you just want speed but graphics are an important enough need for gamers that they can't afford it for genpop.

>>2217569
tell me more

>>2217477
*Go Hussite, if you reject them you get nonstop civil wars

>my two colonial nations are fighting each other
why can't i get out the beating stick and tell them to stop

>>2217586
>my two colonial nations are fighting each other
realistic

>>2217586
tell them to stop Arguin

which resources should I build my cities and towns on?

>>2216752
vgh

Did anyone notice how Georgia almost always annexes Trebizond within the first decade of the game

>>2217640
Shit RGOs = cities
Good RGOs = rural settlements
Cities eventually produce more than rural settlements, but only with hundreds of thousands of people in them.

>>2217581
If you enter debug mode, type "tweak" and disable “RenderFramesIfNeeded” option, then the game will way faster.

tf is blud wearing

Anyone get this weird bug where terrain map mode doesn't work? It's exactly the same as political

>>2217640
i think you can just scale anything (except food) and make good profit. i make a billion books in the netherlands and make big money from it

multiple towns/cities in a single province, yes/no?

>>2217662
Depends on your pops. It's usually not worth it.

>>2217579
They're adding it as a regular option next patch.

>>2217656
I don't think I ever had the terrain map work

Has anybody made a video that explains some of the basic stuff? My small brain is way too overwhelmed at the start and i have no idea whats actually worth focusing on.

here is the video:
control in provs
make buildings
upgrade r.g.o s

>>2217173
>converting population is an expensive centuries long endeavor.
I dunno about that, seems pretty easy based on my experience in the Hussite wars and what the Catalans have done to Greece and the Orthodox Turks have done to Anatolia
Honestly Culture and Religious conversions are way too easy in this game. There isn't even a satisfaction modifier for converting (and your cabinet member assigned to do it doesn't even have to be that religion!)

Do units from a later age gain an innate bonus or is it entirely based on the visible stats?

Some techs seem to unlock troops/levy types that have the exact same stats as older units.

>>2217741
I haven't played that far yet, but I've heard later formations allow you to stack more people in one unit so, even though the individual stats stay the same, they fight with bigger numbers and overwhelm enemies easier

>>2217656
>>2217709
Turns out it's a stupid game setting, go in graphics and untick disabled 3d terrain or something like that

I know one guy whose CMOS exploded whilst playing and another whose BIOS corrupted when the game crashed.

>>2217734
umm wrong order

>>2217648
wow this is crazy, it just does the whole day in one go instead of every 8 hours or whatever it does on 5x speed

What's the verdict? Did he like it?

>>2216499
They start off at war with Lithuania and rivaled to Poland. I've seen AI Teutons manage to rope Bohemia into their war and win(I think they start with a defensive alliance or something) since Bohemia is OP

>>2217796
waiting for my nigga assads livestream playthrough after he takes back syria

>Catholic League keeps kicking me out
um rude? 96 % catholic btw

so heckin noble

how the fuck does levy sizes work?
Im playing as norway and scotland has the exact same population. Yet scotalnd can raise 23 000 leveis while i can raise less than 3000. And no its not control since my capital region has 50 000 pops and an avrage of 50% control and the rest of my worthwile locations have a control of 23%
in fact i can raise fewer leveis now than at the start of the game despite having almost the same pop as before the plauge
Also why do my proffesional armies die of attrition no matter what in winter? I had to dispand what little army i could get because they just kept dwindeling down

How do you actually blockade ports? Just putting my fleet at the sea near the port like in EU4 does nothing, and selecting the "blockade ports" mission on my fleet just makes them go to my own port and stay there for some reason. Is there some special command or requirement you need?

>>2217943
When does the horde collapse? Its almost 1400 and they are big as fuck and scary for me

>>2217951
What does pic rel say for you? Do you also get 2% of your pops or maybe is it modified somehow?
>>2217951
>Also why do my proffesional armies die of attrition no matter what in winter?
I'm not far enough in the game to have a professional army of a significant enough size for this to matter, but I feel like in general the supply lines are incredibly weak in this game, and any military campaign will almost instantly have the armies starving. I'm not sure how does it work. Supplying by fleet helps a bit though.

nobles bad burghers good

So if i play something like Sweden. Do i pump ROGs in to food to get settlers? Or do i pump ROGs for lumber and iron to make tools and weapons?

how do I get market access up in the Azores?

Huh, apparently new markets can spring into existance, just now a Tarnovo market in Bulgaria appeared. Can you actually make new markets yourself?

>>2218044
how did you miss the "CREATE MARKET" button?

>>2218026
Just build whatever has biggest green number. But food is still good for pop growth even at low profit.

If a female heir inherits, will marrying her to a local noble be matrilineal? I.e. will the dynasty be preserved?

what button do i press to increase my pops

>>2218018
Nobles > everyone else
>t. plated knight gang

how do I transfer ships between fleets, I can only find merging and splinting

>>2217752
>I know one guy
Why lie like this?

>>2218109
"create new unit button"

>institution is NOT spreading due to:
>a whole bunch of positive modifiers
So why is it not spreading exactly? What do I need to achieve/do?

>>2218128
Modifiers are modifiers. You need a base value, like "importing from a market with institution". That's basically the only one you can control.

>>2218128
Start trade with yuck italiens who have the institution to start a base spread.

>>2218135
>>2218139
Huh, how do I do that? Mantua has the institution, but it does not show up as a potential importer in my market tab, and I have no trade capacity in their market.

>>2218159
You're likely already using your max trade capacity for other routes so you need to downgrade your trade to facilitate a route and you're likely outside of the trade range to do so so you need to wait until it spreads to a nation close enough to trade.

>take some land
>make a vassal and give it to my younger brother
>30 years go by and all of a sudden he starts spamming me for my granddaughters hand
don't think so little guy.

The game is a bit unplayable ATM.

The most basic war AI functions that worked in EU IV don't work in EU V - ask the AI to siege land and allow attachments: the stack will walk around not actually conquering anything.

Other things are annoying as well: boats disappearing, armies disappearing, income magically disappearing, etc.

Also, having daughters is stupidly OP. You could actually conquer Europe by just having your female heirs marry foreign male heirs and get multiple personal unions.

Seems like an interesting game, but seems like I'll have to wait a couple of months to actually a full run.

>>2218195
im having a lot of fun with it, which is more that can be said for every other pdx game before at release. but yea its rough right now

Regulated or Banned gold?

>>2217990
They had to lose this much to collapse.

I'm 20 hours in and I have still have zero idea what the fuck I'm doing. Guess I'm not autistic enough for this.

1485 Europe
I think the Balkans would have been better if I had started a new game after that patch, but we'll deal with Orthodox Turks this time around.
HRE is a shithole because I had a woman inherit and lost the title of Emperor and Wolgast's run as Emperor was marked by him shitting the bed and undoing every good thing I had done.
I force converted half of Germany and all my vassals to Hussite during the Hussite Wars but apparently that doesn't fucking matter because everyone except for Munster and my new Roman vassal just converted back to Catholicism (seriously why the fuck do Fiefdoms not follow the main country's religion, and why can they just revert back to Catholicism after I force my religion onto them, even if the lands I gave them were majority Hussite already?)
Poland, Hungary, and Austria are my eternal bros because I made a defensive league with them at the start of the game and I guess they just never leave those even if they hate me (which Poland did for a good period of time).
I had high hopes that the Golden Horde would finally collapse because Kiev and Kalmius had occupied like half the country but they are getting pushed back now.
Etrenids are a vassal of the Jalayirids
France has 4/5 hegemons, Mamluks are military hegemon

Is it just me or is integration WAY too fucking slow?

>>2218282
>sort by Great Power score
>I'm rank 4 by score
>but I'm still just a normal power / rank 12
how the fuck does this work? I should be military hegemon based on the numbers of regulars I have

>>2218282
>a defensive league
What's the practical difference of doing that vs just allying a country?

>>2218284
Yes it is extremely slow compared to coring in eu4

>>2218294
Well with a defensive league you get annoying notifications every few months where the members try to change the laws
But also it seems to be permanent and I can call in the members of the league into any defensive war even if I don't have an official alliance with them anymore. For instance, after I converted to Hussite Poland and Hungary broke their alliances with me, but I was still able to call them in to help me against the Pope.
They seem kind of busted if you don't ever plan to go to war with someone, desu. Only downside is that sometimes you'll get called into their wars, but that's the same with regular alliances.

>allied with milan
>all the occupations are going to me despite milan being the one who occupied
>throw milan a bone and transfer occupation and let them have a few provinces in the peace treaty
>look back at them a year later and they returned the land to the original owner
was this because of some HRE mechanic or is the AI just shit?

>>2218325
Emperor can demand you return territory, yeah.
Also where do is the transfer occupation option? I'm probably retarded but I couldn't find it last night

>>2217990
I watched 2 AI tinelapses and in one the horde fell prett quickly and in the other they never fell

Do you micro manage trade? If so, what do you aim for specifically?

>>2218325
wait how do you transfer occupation?

>>2218383
If you select an occupied location there is a button in he middle of the location window, the past where it mentions that it is occupied.