Thread 41445051

I cannot love a Creator who will eternally torture even 1 soul. It means the creator is a monster. I cannot take part in religions or belief systems where we are supposed to call eternal torture good or try to love a God who will eternally torture people.

How does anyone think Eternal Torture is good?

I am curious for any christians, do you think eternal torture is good righteous or just?

I believe there is a creator and no eternal torture.

>>41445051 (OP)
Enjoy hell then retard lol

>>41445119
>Believe putting someone inside a nuclear blast but alive eternally is good or I do it to you, btw i'm God

Yeah, I don't think that book is from the Creator. Christianity is a religion of demonic.

>>41445126
Then you truly are retarded

Like I said: Enjoy hell

>>41445157
Your soul is evil and so is your deities if you think eternal torture is good, regardless of what any text says.

The mind has to be warped to think eternal torture is good.

>>41445051 (OP)
If someone's nature is truly evil, that is what they will experience eternally. That being said, most people aren't truly evil in my understanding.

>>41445176
What too much porn does to a nigga lol

Get right with God or live separate from Him in this life or the next. I’m not even going to try to talk theology with you, you’re bandwidth isnt capable of achieving beyond 8th grade edge lord mentality

>>41445051 (OP)
Chastisement isn't torture, aeonic isn't eternal.

>>41445276
Can you give me links to where it is properly translated like that?

In the Bibles I've seen it is translated as eternal valcanoe like lake of fire. I read the OT twice or three times. And the NT like 40 times.

>>41445051 (OP)
you cannot love a god who will eternally torture people, yet the one condition to escape this torture, it seems, is to love that god. what you say is not really a theological argument that god cannot punish sinners forever, it is rather a statement of despair.
the only thing necessary for eternal bliss is to want it more than anything else. but anything other than eternal bliss is, by definition, eternal torture. we must remain free to choose, or we have no power to love.

>>41445051 (OP)
It's just Dante's revenge wish. Ignore the Catholic heresy in all forms, even if it is good lit.

>>41445225

"I could justify creating something with the intention of predetermining its eternal torment, but you're not smart enough to understand."

Why not just try?

Do not listen to christians, their hell realms are a product of their own evil souls, they are also posting a lot of false NDEs promoting hell.

Aha, le botched up mythology from previous sources is real, these deities from old religions are the demons of mine. Tee hee.
Also jews are le chosen.

Ease up humans, I'm bringing forth a real Hell realm which I am installing in your reality :D
Thank me later, die first, kthx

I have been millions of years in that Hell, it's a good Hell, quite hellish

>>41445639
In summary, one day you will wake up, and bam! You're in Hell, you go out of your home expecting to buy groceries and there are no groceries, there's Hell instead.

>>41445496
Cause speaking to a dog, while empowering, achieves nothing. Youre speaking about Calvinism, leaving out a vast majority of more Christ centric theological truths.

If you want to understand what is truly meant, consider that ancient jews didn'y believe in an afterlife except through resurrection. So what is written is that at the end of times God will resurrect everyone who has ever lived, judge them good or evil, give the good ones eternal life in a glorious city, kill the evil ones by throwing them in a lake of fire (second death).

>>41445225
damn you're projecting so hard it's actually causing second hand embarassment to read. Also you have to be 18 to post here. Where did the porn thing come from oh lord the cringe is too much. Back to roblox, kiddo

>>41445119
>>41445157
>>41445157
>no argument, just fear
You're a good example of how christianity manipulates people with fear-based propaganda. Those people then go out and try to put the fear in others, but you have to be kind of retarded and cowardly to believe in such a reality. OP is right, the whole concept is evil and makes no sense. Christians who believe in hell are cowardly pushovers. People like that are easy to control

>>41445051 (OP)
The Creator does not torture anyone. The stain of sin on one's soul prevents them from entering Heaven. There is nowhere else for them to go. They can either stay on Earth as ghosts, or they can take their leave and be put to rest in the eternal dumpster known as Hell.

>>41445157
>>41445157
>enjoy hell hurr durr
That's the most bootlicking I've ever seen someone do here. You're the biggest cuck around. Chief Cuck. Damn man, you really get into that asscrack, huh? Disgusting. People like you invented hell so they can do exactly what you just did: pretend to be christian so you can police people. It's so blatantly obvious and only the dumbest fall for it. That's why christcucks get so much resistance here. We see through your cheap tricks

it's even more atrocious when you realize he made this reality knowing beforehand 90+% of humans will end up in eternal torture and was completely fine with that outcome

according to the judeo narrative that is

Sin is a great offence to God, If you agree that it's horrible, then why not accept The Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour and be spared from the wrath of God forever? God doesn't want to send humans to hell as seen in 2 Peter 3:9.

If you're not sure the Bible is the word of God watch: youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI

How to know you're saved: youtube.com/watch?v=EAtR40sue5M

1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God and be saved, or your own righteousness? Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are, can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sinful condition. Romans 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

>>41448926
>sells you the solution to a problem he created
>that will be your loosh fattened soul plus tip

absolutely jewish

>>41448943
It's not a sale, it's free. You can't obtain salvation any other way either. It's true that God created free will, but that doesn't mean that we have absolutely no responsibility for being so stubborn and using it wrongly. You and me would have disobeyed as well if we were in the same position as Adam and Eve. It's not the duty of God to make sure that everything is done according to our will, God can do what He wants, and He wants to give you mercy by grace, will you accept?

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Romans 3:24-25: "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

you guys talk about hell way more than the bible ever did

>>41449007
it isn't free. stop lying

>faith without works is dead

>you should be a pleasing sacrifice as was jesus

>carry your own cross

>you cannot keep sinning

>you have to protect israel

etc etc

stop lying bro we already know the christ scam

>>41449018
James and Hebrews are not primarily doctrine for those who are in Christ, because once you are in Christ you can't lose salvation, but you can lose rewards. Instead it's meant as doctrine in the time when the antichrist is ruling where works are needed for salvation.

Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

youtube.com/watch?v=y0kECRE56P4&list=PLFIc5Y7xpsJLNu5IltvwBOWVmGInGBcVL&index=22

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

>>41449069
But the Bible explains that those in Christ are not appointed to that wrath, once you are saved, you're saved forever and as Romans 8:38-39 explains, no present or future thing can take it away.

So the way salvation works in this current age, compared to the tribulation age are different. If you accept salvation in this age of salvation by grace, not as a reward, you are sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Eternal life is eternal life, not temporary life until you mess up again.

Ephesians 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

Ephesians 4:30
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

>>41445051 (OP)
Hell is being separated from God and not entering Heaven. People choose to not accept God, and so choose to not join Him or enter Heaven. Since they've chosen to reject God and refuse Heaven, there's really no where else for their soul to go but down.

If you're living on the street, and I offer to let you live with me in my home, offer to take care of you in every way, and all you have to do is accept my friendship and play by a few sensible house rules, but you reject that deal, it is not my fault if you end up back living on the street. I'm not punishing you by not letting you into my house after you give me the finger and refuse my offer. At that point your homelessness is something you chose. God isn't punishing people that reject Him. He opened the door for you, but you refused to step through. We have free will, and some people use that free will to make bad, stupid, even self destructive choices.

>>41449069
>>41449088
blah blah

whatever. nothing you say can be trusted.

a free gift requires no further input. such is not the case for your cult

>>41449097
If you take any book out of context you can make it what you want. When the Bible says salvation is gift, it's true. God does not lie. No further input is required from you.

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

>>41449092
>Hell is being separated from God and not entering Heaven. People choose to not accept God, and so choose to not join Him or enter Heaven. Since they've chosen to reject God and refuse Heaven, there's really no where else for their soul to go but down.

Bullshit gaslighting

>bible explicitly says hell is a created place to torture people

>people do not have a choice (John 6:44)

>it's judeo torture threat blackmail so they can steal your soul

>threatening people with torture is the opposite of love and a choice under duress

>>41445051 (OP)
You will know that He Is The Lord Your God, The Holy One of Israel, Your Savior. Eternal Torture is YHWH enacting his wrath on the wicked, and His wrath knows no end. For all of eternity they all will be tortured and burn in the everlasting Lake of Fire, the Second Death. Imagine getting resurrected only to die once again. You will remember nothing from your life on this earth, only the pain from the flames and torture. And the Lord Your God, YHWH, will be Glorified even further, for He Is the God of Glory, I Am That I Am. God could just erase you from existence, but that would be merciful. You will face burning immolation and torture in the Lake of Fire forever and ever. And YHWH will be Glorified. It is astounding, amazing, something extraordinary. I will pray for you, but you are on the wide path, and you will meet your better end in eternal damnation. Eternal torture is a good thing vs erasing someone from existence after they die. Satan has plans for you when you arrive in Hell. And you won’t like what he and his angels are plotting to do to you there. But rest assured, your torture in Hell will pale in comparison to the torture that Christians, Hebrews, and former Christians are experiencing in Hell, as those guys proclaimed in the afterlife, I served God, but they failed to serve him the correct way, and the Lord never knew them, as they weren’t of the Lord, but instead were lukewarm, and now they are getting maliciously tortured. But the torture of Christians, Hebrews, and former Christians pale in comparison to these other Satanists, Luciferians, magicians and psychic mediums in Hell right now. And the torture of these people pale in comparison to the torture of Cain, who is the first man to murder. Demonic spirits also take part in torturing spirits and souls in Hell. Fallen angelic devils are in Hell right now defiling Hell itself. They are sexually knowing the flames of Hell, turning the fire black. Corrupted Hellfire.

>>41449100
>No further input is required from you.

False

>certain sins cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven
>you cannot go on sinning
>you need to do the will of jesus (I never knew you otherwise)
>apostasy cannot be repented
>you owe a debt to the jews
>you need to be a slave to christ

fuck off and stop trying to trick people

>>41449097
The verse doesn't fucking say that, you mongoloid. You retarded nigger.

5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

>>41449110

I just answered that question in this >>41449069, watch the video then if you're so curious and want a better explanation.

The word of God clearly says that no present or future thing can take away my salvation: Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

You can give your body to satan or God, but once you are saved and bought with the blood of The Lord Jesus Christ, your soul belong to Him forever.

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

>>41449116
again that is not the truth because you require further input from people and *fine print* on the conditions of your so called gift

>>41449131
If you resist the Holy Spirit and refuse to repent then it's basically the same as not accepting the gift. It's not some sort of fine print, it's your choice to accept or refuse.

The lesson for us as Christians is that, if we profess faith in Christ, we must be willing to identify ourselves actively with Christ’s cause, and Christ’s messengers, even though it may mean real personal sacrifice, perhaps the risking or laying down of our very lives. Secondly, we must be willing to make a definite, open confession of our faith, that marks us out from all the unbelievers round about us. The scarlet line speaks particularly of openly confessing our faith in the blood of Christ for the remission and cleansing of our sin.

We do not receive salvation by works. But our works are the test of whether our faith is real and the means by which our faith is developed. Only real, living faith can make a real, living Christian.

However if after you accept salvation and then become a fleshly Christian, God will chastise you as you saw in that verse where God was making the Corinthians sick and causing them to die so because the refused to use their flesh as a living sacrifice to God. it doesn't mean they lost their salvation, but they definitely lost whatever rewards they could have gotten if they chose obey God and work out the salvation God worked in them by fighting back when the Holy Spirit was convicting them of their sin.

Hebrews 12:6-7
"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"

we define stuff by comparison.
anything eternal is equal to nothingness

>>41449151
>If you resist the Holy Spirit and refuse to repent
Salvation is not your choice the bible says so

Try again

>>41449294
The Bible says that salvation is available for the whole world, and that it's a gift. Your choice is to either accept that gift or refuse it.

2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

John 14:6: “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

John 11:26: "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

1 John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

>>41449324
that doesn't address the mechanism of salvation christjew

>no man can come to jesus unless the father draws him
>you are not saved by your own work should you boast
>the elect are written in the book of life before creation

salvation happens on jewgods whim. it is not your choice

>>41449399
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

God gives people time to make a decision, He doesn't force salvation on someone who refuses it because then it would be the same as us not having a free will.

Just because God knows the future doesn't mean that you don't have a choice. Even though God knows that someone will refuse His mercy in the future, that doesn't that someone didn't have a choice in the matter.

God can be both all-knowing and still allows people to make their own decisions. There's no contradiction there. If I offer you a gift and I saw a vision of the future that showed you refusing that gift, and then you refuse it, that doesn't mean you didn't have choice. It just means you refused it.

>>41445051 (OP)
>I am curious for any christians, do you think eternal torture is good righteous or just?
eternal torture is the ultimate manifestation of love, it potrays that God is a jealous God and that if he couldn't have your heart, he would torment you forever in order to win your heart.

>b-but its abusive!
The Lord is a man of war, a man with a passion and a man with the desire to conquest.
He will get what he wants, even if it means that you will get to suffer in the process

That's how you know that God is Love, Because he is jealous and he clings to what is his.
Its pure love, its beautiful, its untainted.

You may reject him now, but he will make sure that you learn to appreiciate him through other means

Jesus is Love and we are his Love, one way or another, he will make us Love him too. Be it through softened heart, or through harsh discipline

>>41449069
LMAO
>bible is real BUT NOOOO NOT THAT PART!!!

>>41445051 (OP)
No but some idiots cook longer ig : P

>>41449445
Love is... Different for Me and My Mother... sooo

QUIZ TIME!!!

What is... I'm Just fucking with (You)!! But (You)! Get The Point I Hope ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQe15F2Nmhc

<3 <3 <3

>>41449474
If I say to another group something, and I say to another group something different, that doesn't mean that my words are no longer true and that they conflict. It simply means that my words are not the same for both of the groups.

James 1:1
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."

Do you think that greeting is addressed to Christians? You tell me

>>41449502
And just a sidenote. James is killed in Acts 12:1-2 before Jesus told Paul to start preaching to the gentiles.

>>41449502
Brotherman, not everyone who descends of israel is of israel, likewise he can make sons of Abraham out of rocks.

Christians are the spiritual israel, the israel of faith and love.
The books of from genesis to revelation are all to us and for us.
our forefathers are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, because we are justified through faith like they were, we are not justified through faith or through circumcision.
circumcision or uncircumcision is useless and it doesn't matter to Jesus, for he established a new covenant and created a new kind of humans.

>>41449522
Yes, I know they are for us. But not everything can be APPLIED to us. We cannot be justified by works right now as it was possible in the old testament and will be possible the great tribulation.

>>41449522
>we are not justified through faith
through the flesh*

>>41449502
not reading allat

>>41449532
why wouldn't the books of James and Hebrews be applied to us?

Hebrews is one of my favourite books, i listen to it almost on daily basis

https://youtu.be/Xvr90VDviQ0

>>41449550
So you're saying every single verse and word in the book of Hebrews applies to you as someone who is in the body of Christ? If you are in the body of Christ it is impossible for you take the mark of the beast because you won't be in the great tribulation.

Go to page 215 (or 223 on the pdf) in this book: https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

2 Timothy 2:15
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

>>41449563
>every single verse and word in the book of Hebrews applies to you as someone who is in the body of Christ
yes

>the great tribulation.
The mark of the is already here in a lot of ways, the barcode of every product which we buy in the supermarket has a 666 on it.
When we buy something from them, its the same as giving our consent to the beast system. With every purchase and every snack that we buy, we enable the mark to become a reality because they believe in karmic retribution, when they show it in our face, it absolves them of any guilt.
Its as if we say "come beast, we dont mind"

All Christians throughout time had to go through a great tribulation of their own, without exceptions. The wicked will go through their own tribulations unwillingly, but we as Christians will walk the tribulations willingly

>If you are in the body of Christ it is impossible for you take the mark of the beast
those who take the Mark will never be forgiven, so its impossible, for once you take it you are no longer of the body of Christ.

>>41449592
No, if that was true then it would mean this is a lie:

Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

God does not lie, once you are in the body of Christ you are saved forever no matter what happens in the future.

Hebrews 9:12 "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."

John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Rom 5:8-9 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

The post-tribulation rapture is not for the body of Christ. Read the 2 pages i showed you from that book

>>41449615
>once you are in the body of Christ you are saved forever no matter what happens in the future.

>Hebrews 10:26-31
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The verses which you posted dont say that you are saved forever unconditionally

>Hebrews 9:12
speaks of his blood, what happens if you trample his blood and regard is unclean by sinning willingly?
>John 6:40
speaks of beliving in him, but your faith can be dead if you dont have the works to support it.
>Galatians 2:16
we indeed are not under the works of the law, we are under the works of Christ.
>Rom 5:8-9
>Romans 4:4-5
see my commentary of Hebrews 9:12, when you trample the blood through willful sin, you disgrace the sacrifice of Christ and shame him, making a mockery of him. You cannot sin while beliving in Christ. You must defeat sin. This is not to be confused for following the works of the law, having faith in Christ means to carry his cross and to triumph over sin.


a big issue of modern Christians is when they think that having faith is a free pass to sin to the fullest, when its not. you must eliminate all sin or your faith is good as dead

>Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

>>41448808
>>41448834
>>41448866

Atheist queers detected: opinions invalid. Like I said, enjoy hell

>>41449673
1 John 1:8
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

>Hebrews 10:26-31
> trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Do you really think that's talking about just any sin, or the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit when you join the antichrist by taking the mark of the beast and thus counting The Lord Jesus Christ as not the true Christ?

You didn't even address Rom 5:8-9

>Matthew 7:21
>“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

And what is His will?

John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:27-29 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

The real problem with modern Christians is that they mix tribulation doctrine with the doctrine that Jesus Christ gave to Paul to preach to the world.

Again.

Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

>>41449673
Read "Lesson 42 - Faith and Works" from this.

https://delessons.org/tools/100-bible-lessons/

Galatians 5:13: “For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

2 John 1:8-9 "Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."

>>41449699
Again no argument from a butthurt christcuck.
How is it not clear to you that your retarded religion is a spiritual equivalent of a deep sea anglerfish, with le magic jew guy as the the light that dangles in front of a fanged abyss? If you have Christian upbringing and you did not turn at least gnostic, you got spiritually filtered, better luck next time.

>>41449726
>1 John 1:8
i dont say that i have no sin, but i must go on and sin no more
>John 8:11
She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.

Jesus came to forgive us of our sin and to make us a new being without sin. to be perfect like him.
>Matthew 5:48
Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

>Do you really think that's talking about just any sin
the unforgivable sin is when you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, which is done in more than one ways.
>Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

As we can see, Ananias didn't join the Anti-Christ, he simply lied to God.

>And what is His will?
>that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him,
what does it maen to believe in Jesus? Do you believe in Jesus when he tells you to "go and sin no more"
if you go and continue to sin, then this means that you dont believe in Jesus.

>You didn't even address Rom 5:8-9
>Romans 5:8-9
>But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through

i did tho, when i mentioned that if you count the blood as a common thing, that you are not actually justified by it, but are condemned.
If you are justified by the blood of Jesus, you will do what Jesus tells you to do, without exceptions, including when he tells you to "go and sin no more"

>>41449769
If you lose salvation by sinning, that's not eternal life, that's temporary life. That's not just justified by faith, but justified by works, which the Bible says is impossible for us who are in the age of grace. I showed you the verses, it's up to you if you want to trust in the word of God or not. I don't know what else to say really. You can believe in who Jesus Christ is (and what he preached to the lost sheep of Israel who had a chance to accept Him as their messiah, and ended up rejecting Him), but if you don't believe in what He did for us, you can't be saved. Living a holy life of sanctification here in the flesh and presenting your body as a living sacrifice to God is different than salvation. Salvation is a gift, it cannot be earned.

Romans 3:24-25: "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

>>41449819
>Matthew 22:13-14
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.

it is indeed a temporary life, for not everyone who is a descendant of israel is of israel, in the same manner, not everyone who is called to be part of the church, will actually be part of the church
Matthew 22:11-12
“But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless.

Jesus wants to see your garments for the wedding, how are you gonna show them?
through your faith or through your works?

14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

>>41449763
Gnosticism is the perversion of the truth, if you fell for that lie, youre too far gone lol

>>41449836
you ignored this: >>41449738

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

>>41449844
>jesus made the perfect sacrifice to cover all sins and save anyone

>actually you can be too far gone to be saved

lol do christcucks lie with every other breath

>>41449848
and you ingnore the verses which i post which explain what it means to believe

your faith must be accommodated through action aka "works", for if it is not, its is useless and dead.

when Paul speaks on "works" in Romans 4:4-5, he specifically means the works of the LAW, meaning the works of the jews.
We are not justified through the works of the Law, but through the works of Christ.
To have faith in the Law means to do the works of the Law
To have faith in Christ means to do the works of Christ

We do not have faith in the LAW, we have faith in CHRIST, therefore we must do what Christ tells us to do.

>Luke 6:46
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

Repent or perish buddy

AND ANOTHER HAPPY COUPLE IS CREATED

>>41449868
Is the believer under law after conversion? NO. Romans 6:14, “For sin shall not have
dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” Scripture could not
be plainer.

The law could never justify a guilty sinner. Acts 13:39, “And by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” The law could not make anything perfect. Hebrews 7:19, “For the law made nothing perfect…” To get to heaven the sinner needs to be both justified and made perfect through the blood of Christ and the atoning work of the cross. But grace through faith can bring justification to the sinner. Romans 3:24, “Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”

Repenting does not mean being under the law. Read "Lesson 5 - Repentance" https://delessons.org/tools/100-bible-lessons/

>>41449865
Knowingly rejecting Christ’s death and resurrection and the salvation it brings is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit spoken of in the books of Mark and Mathew. So yeah, larping and claiming to be gnostic is pretty much that. So, unless you correct your mindset, you will indeed go to hell.

It’s not that hard to understand, retard, once you work on your reading comprehension and quit dulling yourself with porn and weed

>>41449883
>“For sin shall not have
>dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace
you are not under THE law
what is THE law in that case?

>1 Corinthians 9:21
to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law

is Paul without law towards Christ?

repent or perish like any other godless sodomite and witch

>>41449902
Law of works or law of faith?

Romans 3:23-28 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Romans 8:3: “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Rom 6:14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

>>41449920
Romans 3:23-28
>THE law
Galatians 2:21
>THE law
Romans 8:3
>THE law
Galatians 2:16
>THE law
Rom 6:14
>THE law
James 2:10
>THE law

are you blind, or are you just pretending?

>>41449934
"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

It's literally right in front of you

>>41449937
show to me your faith

>>41449941
You just saw my faith from what I said.

Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God and be saved, or your own righteousness? Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are, can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sinful condition. Romans 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned.
Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

>>41449895
>perfect sacrifice can't cover everything
lol ok

what if you accepted jesus as a kid?

the bible states it is a perfect covering for past, present and future sins but rescinds it?

does jesus implode on the 4 dimensional cross at weight of his inconsistency? lmao

>>41449951
that is not faith buddy. Even the demons believe that there is one God who is Jesus Christ.

You show me your faith when you see Jesus say "go and sin no more" and tell to me that he is correct and one must stop sinning after coming to Jesus

>>41449960
Where does it say "go and sin no more, because that's how you are saved"?

Hebrews 9:12 "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."

It's not us who obtained salvation for ourselves, it's Jesus Christ who obtained salvation for us.

>>41449977
enjoy hellfire i suppose. i tried my best
nothing to discuss further with you

>>41449983
If I don't sin, I'm not avoiding it because I'm going to hell otherwise. I'm avoiding sin because I love God. I do it out of my own free will. I'm a born again child of God sealed by the Holy Spirit thanks the Lord Jesus Christ.

I also tried my best and I hope that you can trust in the word of God in future.

>>41449988
you dont avoid sin, you defend sin.

>>41449994
Jesus Christ saved me even though I was a sinner.

John 1:29, “Behold, the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”
I John 3:5, “And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sin; and in Him is no
sin.”
No man can cleanse himself from sin. Job 9:30, 31, “If I wash myself with snow water,
and make my hands never so clean; yet shalt thou plunge me in the ditch.”
Jeremiah 2:22, “For through thou wash is thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet
thine iniquity is marked before Me, saith the Lord God.”
The remedy for sin is forgiveness through the blood of Christ. Ephesians 1:7, “In whom
we have redemption through His Blood, the forgiveness of sins.”
I John 1:7, “… And the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
No man is without sin, therefore we all need a Savior. Galatians 3:22, “But the Scripture
hath concluded ALL under sin.” Romans 3:23, “For ALL have sinned, and come short of
the glory of God.”

>>41449999
a person who is saved doesn't defend sin, he is free from sin

>>41450002
My soul is free from sin forever because Jesus Christ saved me. Not because of something I did.

>>41450010
that's fine and dandy but a person who is free from sin, wouldn't sperg out when someone says that you must abstain from sin

>>41450014
Telling people to abstain from sin is a good thing. But by saying that what the Lord Jesus Christ did is worth nothing, and that you are justified by works is where I have to draw the line because that's the opposite of what Jesus Christ revealed to Paul.

>>41445051 (OP)
Your ignorance is damning. If you don't know, you are guilty. Enjoy Hell.

>>41450029
what Jesus did was to tell us "go and sin no more".
By your logic, Jesus made himself worthless through his own words.
Through my logic, Jesus offered us a way out by setting an example

>>41450032
Nobody is intimidated, you painfully below-average christcuck sperg.

Is eternal fire bad when the person begged for it? Why is it bad giving people what the want? Don't like fire? Don't rape kids, you like raping kids you must like fire, easy answer.

>>41450035
Matthew 10:6
"But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Matthew 15:24
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Jesus's earthly ministry was for the Jews so that they would accept Him as their messiah. They refused, and God knew that in advance so this is the plan God had prepared for us.

Salvation is not by following the example of Jesus Christ. Salvation is by trusting in what Jesus Christ did on the cross. What you're doing is you're putting all your faith in yourself to follow the law that Jesus Christ already fulfilled.

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

1 John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

>>41450042
Obey the Cow God!

>>41450042
The Nobody is absolutely scared of me.

>>41450066
>Salvation is not by following the example of Jesus Christ
and there it is, nothing needs to be discussed further, outing yourself as someone who is not one of his sheep is a confession that you don't belong to him

>>41445051 (OP)
>Does anyone believe in any way eternal torture is good?

It would be senseless, it would only embitter. The purpose of short-term punishment is to form a conditioned reflex - he or she violated the ban, received punishment, and his or her butt hurts. In the case of eternal punishment, it makes no sense, it does not form a conditioned reflex, but only forms hatred.

>>41450081
Matthew 10
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

I was a lost gentile, but now I'm neither a gentile or a jew. I was purchased by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. So I am part of his flock.

Titus 3:3-7 "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life."

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)

Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

>>41450100
>So I am part of his flock.
then follow the example which he sets out for you, for the sheep who are part of the flock are to follow and obey their shepherd.

>>41450110
Well what do you think I'm doing now? I'm trying to show you the truth because I love you, is that sin?

>>41450115
you would incorporate his words into your dictionary if that were true.

you wouldn't have an issue with statements such as "go and sin no more", because such statements come from the mouth of the shepherd.

we as his sheep, must adopt his mind, his mannerism and his actions.

The Grace of God is Jesus himself, to attain this Grace we must allow Jesus in our hearts, FULLY, to the point of becoming like him and even bleeding for our faith.

>>41449954
This nigga really can’t think past his 8th grade education. Like I said earlier: like talking to a dog

>>41450130
I don't have ay issue with "go and sin no more", I agree with it. But works don't save you, it's that simple.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

IF salvation was of myself, then I could boast that I was saved because adopted his mind, his mannerisms and his actions. But salvation is a gift, not a reward.

2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

Let me show you again this verse for what happens when you're a fleshly Christian and just live however you like:

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

>>41450149
>I agree with it. But....
here is your issue.
you seethe at the mere mention of these words.

You must accept them for what they are.
You are called to stop sinning, you are called to tell others to stop sinning and to repent.

This is what Jesus did, this is what you are to do

>>41450160
Yeah, I know that I'm saved to serve, not to sin. That is very obvious from the Bible. My servitude to God does not save me however. I don't believe what I want to believe. I believe what the word of God says.

2 Timothy 2:11-13 "It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."

Pay attention to that last part. Once you are Christs, you can't pluck yourself out of His hand.

John 10:28 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

John 10:29 "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

>>41450176
>Once you are Christs
and happens only if you fully serve him

>>41450180
That's not what the word of God says.

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

I may lose reign and rewards based on how I perform here on earth, but the word of God says salvation is a gift, not a reward. So I can't base my salvation on my deeds. Doing so would be going against what God says.

>>41450191
the "gift" and "grace" of God is Jesus Christ. to receive this gift must allow him in your heart, to allow him in your heart means to incorporate his words, actions and works.

you seething at "go and sin no more" is a pure demonic possession, it potrays that the words of Chirst offend you.
i suggest you fast and pray in order to expel the demons

>>41449726
>1 John 1:8
>"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
1 John 3:6,9
"No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him."
"Those who have been born of God do not sin because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin because they have been born of God."

I'm 90% sure that much of the New Testament canon was formed by one group grabbing up writings from various opposed Christian groups and just interpolating them with their own ideas without regard for the contradictions it would create so they could claim that their copies were the originals and everyone else had chopped out parts.

>>41450220
there is no contradiction, all of us have sinned, so 1 John 1:8 is true

but once we become of Christ, we must abandon all sin. because we become a new being in God, so 1 John 3:6 and 9 are also true

a Christian recognizes his sinful nature and he decides to abandon it

>>41445051 (OP)
The existence of hell/narakas doesn't depends on the concept of Christianity.
You can't trust in hell but hell certainly trust in you.

>>41450208
"go and sin no more" is good preaching. It does not offend me. I hate sin. Your works can't earn you salvation.

Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

I can't abide in sin because I'm already saved. I do make mistakes with this flesh and one should always confess their sins to God, but that does not save us.

Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

>>41450240
>Your works can't earn you salvation.
if you sin, you dont know Christ.
if you sin, then you are not born again of the Spirit
abstaining from sin is the path to salvation, a path which is provided to you by Jesus alone, so you are wrong and the teaching of Christ offends you.

go and sin no more, is not a mere teaching, its a literal commandment that saves

>>41450240
Ephesians 2
"For he is our peace; in his flesh he has made both [Jews and Gentiles] into one and has broken down the dividing wall, that is, the hostility between us, abolishing the law with its commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace, and might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross, thus putting to death that hostility through it."

1 Corinthians 6
"Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, men who engage in illicit sex, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, swindlers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God."

Romans 2
"He will repay according to each one’s deeds: to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life, while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but injustice, there will be wrath and fury."

Galatians 6
"Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow. If you sow to your own flesh, you will reap corruption from the flesh, but if you sow to the Spirit, you will reap eternal life from the Spirit."

NTA but I do think the best way to understand Paul is that the works of the law are the Jewish stuff, not morality in general.

>>41450232
Maybe not a strict contradiction, but since he follows up in 1 John 1:9 with, "If we confess our sins, he who is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." and I would assume he's writing to already established Christians, it seems to imply an ongoing need for confession, which seems to imply ongoing sinning. Or does everyone have a long backlog of sins from before they became Christian that they have to first remember and then get around to confessing in order to be forgiven for each of them? And in practice it seems like Christians do inevitably continue sinning after conversion.

>>41450293
>>41450261
https://delessons.org/tools/100-bible-lessons/

I recommend reading lesson "Lesson 9 - Assurance of Salvation"

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God;
that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye MAY BELIEVE on the name of
the Son of God."

>>41450319
>it seems to imply an ongoing need for confession
there is only one confession that happens, after that its up to you to stay attached to the blood sacrifice of Christ

>Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Jesus is not a goat that is killed 365 times per year. Its a sacrifice that happened once

>seems like Christians do inevitably continue sinning after conversion.
most Christians are going to hell because they take the wide gate and sin willfully despite having knowledge of the truth

>Matthew 7:13
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

also

>1 Peter 4:18
Now “If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”

the righeous one in this case is the one who believes in Jesus.
the sinners are not even regarded among the believers, they are in the same category as the ungodly

Christian is literally not allowed to sin even once.

your only hope is that you were not exposed to the full truth and were living in ignorace, so you still have time to repent, but if you know the truth but choose sin, its over for you forever

I'm going now. I don't really know what else to say. Here is more of the word of God:

Ephesians 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

Ephesians 4:30
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Romans 3:24-25: "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Romans 8:3: “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

>>41450261

Just one more thing, regarding being born again and "if you sin, then you are not born again of the Spirit" can you watch either this:

https://youtu.be/x_ZaSgIH21g?si=jnp7yEdv5jsq1oa3&t=2663 from 44:23 onwards

or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdILl-uEqnA

I would really appreciate it.

>>41450477
>https://youtu.be/x_ZaSgIH21g?si=jnp7yEdv5jsq1oa3&t=2663 [Embed] from 44:23 onwards

i noticed his drawings on the board and i understand where is he going it with it, but he is dead wrong and here is why

>1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Your body is an inherent part of what makes (you) "you".
Your flesh must be a reflection of the spirit that resides within you.

He misunderstands the dual nature which Paul speaks of you, specifically romans 7 and romans 8

The nature of the flesh is indeed contrary to the nature of the spirit, but this means that the spirit must take over the flesh and to put it aside.
The body must be a reflection of your inward being that abides in Christ, not the reverse where you allow the flesh to take over your inward being through sin.

to live accroding to the spirit is life, so if you live according to the spirit, you shall subjugate the flesh and you wont allow it to polute your soul

Our Lord Jesus Christ said to the people of His day, as recorded in Matthew 7:21-23:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in
that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast
out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess
unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.” Such people then
may have been very active in what is called Christian work – they have preached, they
have cast out demons, that is, their influence has been such that men and women have
found deliverance from satanic power through their ministrations in the name of Jesus,
they have professed with their lips, they have accomplished many wonderful works, but
they are found in that day among the lost, and when they plead their great activity and
their earnestness in Christian testimony, the Lord says to them, “I never knew you.”
Notice, He does not say to them, “I used to know you, but you have forfeited My favor
and I do not know you any longer.” He says, “I never knew you.”

When we say that the believer in the Lord Jesus is eternally secure, we base it upon a
number of lines of scriptural testimony. In the first place, we rest it upon the perfection
of Christ’s one offering upon the cross.

1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

“For by one offering He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.” (Heb. 10:14)
Perfected for how long? “Oh,” says somebody, “as long as they do not sin.” No, that is
not what it says, “He hath perfected for ever.” Why? Because the sacrifice is allefficacious.

“[33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. [34] Who is he that
condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God,
who also maketh intercession for us. [35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation,
or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? [36] As it is written, For thy sake
we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. [37] Nay, in all these things
we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor
life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor
depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus
our Lord.” Romans 8:33-39.

Let’s examine Romans 8:38-39. “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor
angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor
height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of
God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” This is the inspired answer to the question of
verse 35. “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?” That is, once we have been
justified by faith, who is there, what power is there, that can separate from the love of
Christ? And the answer, how full, how clear, not a shadow, not a doubt, not a question
left, when the apostle says that neither death nor life shall separate! Can you think of
anything which is neither included in death nor in life? Neither death nor life shall
separate!

No unseen powers can separate the believer from Christ, “neither angels, nor
principalities, not powers.” These terms are used again and again in the New
Testament, particularly in the Epistles, for angelic hosts, good and evil. When our
Savior rose from the dead he spoiled principalities and powers, that is, He defeated all
the hosts of evil led by Satan; and so we may take it that the angels referred to here are
good angels, and the principalities and powers are possible evil angels. But there is
nothing that good angels would do and nothing that evil angels can do which will result
in the separation of the believer from Christ. And then further he says, “neither things present nor things to come.” Again let me put
the question, Can you think of any experience through which a believer might ever go
which is neither a thing present nor a thing to come? And the Holy Ghost says that neither things present nor things to come shall be able to separate us from the love of
Christ.

As though that were not enough, He speaks in a more general way when He says that
neither “Height nor depth (nothing in heaven, nothing in hell), nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our
Lord.” It looks to me as though we are safe if we are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The only problem with trying to be good enough to go to heaven is the fact that not
only have we broken the 10 commandments, there are over 613 commandments in the
Old Testament and hundreds in the New Testament. James 2:10 in the New Testament says that whoever keeps the whole law yet messes up on just one point is GUILTY of
breaking the law. No one will ever be good enough to go to heaven by keeping God's
law; for His law only reveals our sin (Rom. 3:19-20).
We all need a Saviour! The word "Saviour" has the idea of
"one who can rescue you from the penalty of your sin." Jesus rescues people from
perishing so that they might have eternal life (Mt. 1:21).

My friend, to be good enough to go to heaven we must have a righteousness that
equals God's (2 Cor. 5:21). The "good news" of the gospel is that not only will Jesus
forgive your sins, but He is also offering - freely - His very own righteousness as a gift
(See Rom. 5:17). Do you need a new start in life? A relationship with the God of heaven
who loves you very much? God is ready to have compassion on you, to fall on your
neck and kiss you (Lk. 1 5:20-24). Would you consider turning to Him through Jesus
Christ? Accepting Him as your personal Saviour & following Him as your Lord? He loves
you very much!

One of the main purposes of the law was to reveal sin, to show exactly what sin is
(Rom. 3:19-20; 5:20; 7:7). The Apostle Paul became aware of his sinful condition by
looking into the law and knowing that on the basis of the law he fell short of the
righteous standards of God and became aware of the fact that he was a sinner doomed
to die. 2 Corinthians 3:7 & 9 call the Mosaic law the “ministration of death and
condemnation.”

This may seem strange but sin used God’s good law to find an occasion through the
commandment. The sin nature started doing what it could to cause the individual to
violate God’s commandments and sin all the more. Paul says that sin found an
occasion through the commandment, it beguiled me and slew me. It wasn’t the law that
was bad but sin that worked death in me through that which was good (Romans 7:13).
This led to faith in Jesus Christ so that we could never depend on the law for the
righteousness that we need but on Christ Himself (Gal. 3:24-25). As much as we may
try to keep the law perfectly, because of the flesh we will never be able to do it. So the
law drove us to faith for our righteousness, in Jesus the Messiah and a dependence
upon Him and His righteousness to save us, for by grace we are saved (Eph. 2:5). So
the law was never meant as an instrument of salvation but was used as God’s
diagnostic to show our need for the Saviour.

Because all Christians sometimes sin, we continue to need God’s grace – and the good
news is that we continue to be forgiven and made clean through the atoning work of our
Saviour (Rom. 3:24). Salvation is a gift from start to finish (Rom. 6:23).
Of course, God’s grace does not mean we are given permission to sin (Rom. 6:1-2).
Paul specifically says that God created us to do good works (Eph. 2:10), and that grace
teaches us to deny ungodliness (Titus 2:11-12). Throughout the New Testament, we
are exhorted to obey God (Acts 5:29), and we are warned about sin (Heb. 3:13). But
regardless of how obedient we might be, salvation does not come from our goodness,
but through the grace of God given to us through faith in Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:21-22).
The perfect righteousness that we need for salvation cannot come from ourselves. It
can come only from Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 5:21). The good news of the gospel is that His
righteousness is given to us by Him. “Christ Jesus has become our righteousness,
holiness and redemption” (1 Cor. 1:30).
As Christians we are not under the law but under grace (Rom. 6:14). Our righteousness
has been provided through the shed blood of Jesus (Rom. 5:9) and not by the doing of
any religious law (Mosaic or otherwise – Rom. 3:21). Romans 10:4 states, “For Christ is
the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.” And if we confess
with our mouth that Jesus is our Lord (King & Master) and shall believe in our heart that
God hath raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved (Rom. 10:9). In this profession we turn by faith from one kingdom to another (Col. 1:13-14), from one king to another
(Matt. 6:24), from darkness to light, from one authority (Satan) to another authority
(God) to receive the forgiveness of sins (Acts 26:18). Right relationship has been
provided as a gift of grace and not a work of the law (Rom. 5:17).

Im going to have sex with a preachers daughter and tell them how fun it is to have premarital sex

>>41445051 (OP)
You don't have to believe in hell to allow it to still help you. Once you let it help you it creates a sense of gratitude which leads to a relationship with the creator. Once you have that relationship you will never want to not have that relationship with Him. That loss of relationship is hell.

>>41445051 (OP)
God doesn't send you to hell solely becuase you're a bad peson, he sends you to hell in the same way you send your shit down the toilet instead of retaining it inside your body all your life, because people who reject God are antithetical to God, darkness doesn't make up light, light is light alone. God is forced to reject all that is not himself to remain consistent.

>>41445051 (OP)
The book of Ezekiel 18:22

>>41445119
Enjoy church then retard lol

>>41445051 (OP)
I always wrestle with that, but I guess He has a strong very true reason for it, if Jesus didn't talk about the weeping and gnashing of teeth I would be saying that hell is a human made concept, but since Jesus mentioned it, we can't just deny it

>>41445051 (OP)
Yeah, because temporary torture would be so much more moral, right?

>>41453139
>literally just black people
Are you seriously so filled with malice and hate that the mere sight of black people doing literally nothing causes you to convulse and have an aneurysm?

>>41453177
>the mere sight of black people doing literally nothing causes you to convulse and have an aneurysm
Yes.

>>41450363
for men that's impossible but for God all things are possible

>>41445051 (OP)
>I cannot take part in religions or belief systems where we are supposed to call eternal torture good
If you aren't eternally tortured by your own failures then you are an evil person. Stop protecting your ego with vanity amd admit that you deserve your own fate, be it eternal salvation or eternal damnation. You live in a world of laws which are plain to see. Stop blaming God for your failures.

>>41445051 (OP)
>Does anyone believe in any way eternal torture is good?
No.
Notice how every last one of these fuckers would immediately stop pretending torture is "just", if they were the ones to experience it instead of their enemies. Their brains have been riddled with holes by abrahamic hatred.

>>41453245
You're a sad victim of brainwashing.

>>41453161
God The cucked submission of the Christian is astounding. You base all this shit and your morals off of something jews wrote by word of mouth thousands of years ago. You must live in a special little world anon. If I gave a child your book they would take it all literally too. Growing up is realizing the Bible is explaining an internal process and not literal history. It's sad I have to explain that to a supposed "christian". We are in hell now and nobody can save you but yourself.

>>41445051 (OP)
If you knew the evil shit these people were doing, you'd be screaming for God to stop with holding their wrath. You would hope there is a hell or some kind of lower plane where these spirits and humans are contained and isolated from those who passed their tests.

>>41453266
They're an Illuminati puppet of the archons. Repeating that same ideology and drivel.
That's because they're in a death cult and they worship suffering.

>>41453266
Sorry I make you sad anon. I'm happy myself

>>41449836
*anime pedo faggotry
*gay bullshit they don't emobody or understand
*autistic emotional submissive love for sky daddy

You guys are somehow more obnoxious than atheists

>>41453267
The reason why they rationalize it is because christianity is sadly one of the few ideologies left which has anything good to offer. It's like the placebo effect, it works even if it shouldn't.

>but I don't want to go to church every week and build schools in Africa!
Hell is real.
Get your ass to church.
Build the FUCK out of those schools for the African kids.

It would take more faith to believe in hell than to believe in God.

>>41453267
shut up mason

>>41453512
yeah, we should send all christians to africa or the middle east where the other religious people are, they can live there and do their LARP from the middle ages while the rest of humanity has a proper society, about 2000 years advanced

>>41445051 (OP)
...then don't subscribe to Catholicism or Right Christcuckery! It's a belief - that's all, believing something doesn't make it True - don't accept it, you can choose to! The Christcucks will insist it's the Truth because they believe a lot of awful things, but they're confused, they're - lost in mind-numbing delusion and make-believe! They're the EZ Quik religion, the mainstream 8-lane freeway that requires only minimal thought to join organized ignorance! After all, "everybody is doing it!", it's "Safe"! The safe thing to do when you buy a yacht is to always keep it in port, but that's not what it exists for...

>>41449844
Nice opinion by a random anonymous retard. Still waiting for any sort of counter argument to back it up though.
BTW, you sound like you're already in hell if you need to cope this hard to believe torture (and eternal one at that lol) is in any way good.
>>41449865
>lol do christcucks lie with every other breath
No, they are just retarded. They can't even do mental special Olympics required for recognizing inconsistency in this.
>Hurr, it makes no sense, so since Jew-hey-wow-hey is all-knowing it must make sense to him, thus it is true above logic and I should get spiritually cucked and just take it as Elo-they/them intended

>>41445051 (OP)
You have come to realize there's a problem with Abrahamism. That God both loves you and will torture you if you sin. That these are contradictory.

The solution here is Gnostic dualism. The demiurge created matter and hates you. He will torture you for the sins he has tempted you to perform and designed your body to want to do. The Father is a spiritual entity that exists within all. The Father loves you and wants to help you. He will forgive you of your sins as many times as you need. But he warns you not to sin because the demiurge will use it to keep you trapped in this material prison. The key to your salvation is knowledge. Knowledge of who you are and where you come from, and that the demiurge can not imprison you without you accepting that he can.

Know that the divine is within you. That you are simply an extension of the Father. Reject sin and everything to do with this material world. Know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

>>41455650
Gnosticism is a step in right direction out of Christianity, but it keeps you in jewbrahamic spiritual system by just switching actors around. Like actually there is a good and bad God not like what those retards believe about good God and evil non-God... like what's the difference if you switch whether the foreskin consumer is good or bad guy if there are good and bad guys still and you have the spiritual policeman attached to your soul judging you. Does it matter if your hell is eternally here in this prison world or after death in another prison universe?
It is useful for cracking the shell you are in open, but it still retains the moral language of civilization and districts between symbolic and natural order.