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Why is it that Dragon Ball is the only battle manga that gets fighting choreography right? Every other battle manga's fights are incomprehensible garbage. Even Murata's paneling is somehow getting worse. It's like he learned nothing from Toriyama expect for the art's superficial style.

>>279735240 (OP)
Usogui’s is pretty good.

>>279735240 (OP)
Simplicity (and being a gag comic artist) was Toriyama's biggest strength and the secret behind his success. On top of his art being stylish, it also had clarity. He didn't over-render the panels, throw 300 speed lines or turn every move into a Michael Bay-tier explosion. He lets the motion speak. He's one of the rare artists who thinks like a director.

>>279735240 (OP)
ranma 1/2

>>279735475
God, kny looks hideous. This thing really became a best seller?

SENILEyama, for all his flaws, had a good grasp on action and flow of it, probably from being a kung-fu movie buff.

>>279735548
Yeah, because the anime carried it. Popularity doesn't mean quality. That studio put a billion yen's worth of sakuga and lighting effects on what is a flat, clunky storyboard. Viewers thought the manga must be that good too (it's not)
The manga's choreography is so ass, the anime has to rebuild the fight scenes from scratch just to make them watchable

>>279735259
haha. good one

>>279735475
I really want to say that being a gag artist was the secret spice, but One Piece is also a gag manga and it has some of the most dogshit choreography I've ever seen.

When your inspiration is other shonen manga, you inherit the faults without realizing it. Take in other mediums and see how they work. Ashita no Joe looks great in spite of how old it is precisely because it is a boxing manga first and foremost.

the guy who made Seven Deadly Sins is very good at fighting choreography

>>279735475
Toriyama has a better understanding of physics. (ie: character moves like this so his hair and clothes should move like that) and has a much better grasp on anatomy so the characters are drawn making poses that a person could theoretically make during the movement they're making and the speed lines accurately reflect the path their body is travelling. The lack of mucho texto during a fight scene doesn't hurt either.

Is it even worth engaging with retarded threads like this? /a/ is really dying. Soon it will get 1 post an hour because half the board will be boring newfag threads like this and the other half will be generals. Where will these people go when they've ruined every corner of the internet? Will they just sit on Twitter for the rest of their days, satisfied that they've forced everyone into their awful normalfag hellhole?

>>279737951
>The lack of mucho texto during a fight scene doesn't hurt either.
This cannot be overstated. Toriyama respected the medium and knew manga is a sequential storytelling. He showed, he didn't tell. That's what manga is for.

Demon Slayer fights like the one the other guy posted reads like a audiobook if anything. It's so jarring.
>"In this exact moment, I must focus my sixth form on the third moon, my blade shall slice not with strength, but with resolve...”
SHUT UP AND SWING YOUR FUCKING SWORD. It's like the characters are trying to explain the fight to themselves because the art sure isn't doing it.

>>279735240 (OP)
jjk choreography is pretty good

>>279737951
Yes, that's also why DBZ the anime is fucking trash.
Toei artists have no idea of how these characters would logically move. When Toriyama does it, they keep moving efficiently and as you'd expect them to.

>>279735240 (OP)
JoJo used to have some alritht choreography. I don't know what happened to Araki after Part 3, but as the series goes on, he can't draw movement and panel flow for shit. I think he switched fully to static pictures of posing models.

>>279737951
There's a video on YouTube about a similar subject on video games. Our brains can't compartmentalize so much visual information which is why open world games feel so bland and boring compared to old games with a few NPCs.

>>279738836
There are no threads on /a/ worth reading left. OP has posted his images like 20 times already and every time he gets utterly destroyed and throws a tantrum. He doesn't want to have a discussion, it's about turning the entire board in shitposting real estate with dumb bait and bad jump anime. It's no wonder that Dragon Ball is a sharty favorite.

>>279738836
>>279741201
Dragon Ball will outlive your favorite moeshit series and continue to be an industry standard. Sorry that it isn't relevant enough to keep getting threads.

>>279740547
Could be worse. Naruto loves offscreening a lot of moves. Kishi loves zooming on hits so you don't actually have to watch the characters hitting each other, he can just draw the impact/a small part of the punch and that's enough.

>>279741153
Doesn't help that open worlds are empty as fuck by their own nature

>>279741201
/a/ kind of reminds me of a soviet union bloc now. This is the designated paneling shitpost thread. OP will make this thread over and over for next 5 years (at the rate activity is dropping on 4chan, its generous to say it will be here for 5 years longer, this is my maximum estimate) and even though he knows absolutely nothing about action or paneling its where the 3 sharty teens left here will squabble over the subject in a very poor and unconstructive manner, as the topic has already been completely exhausted for everyone that actually cares about manga.

Just like we'll have a funny schizo FMA thread every day. Just like how we'll have a Mushoko Tensei faggot thread every day. Just like we'll have a Death Note toonami tard thread every day. Just like we'll have a TTGL teen pretending to be an oldfag thread every day. Just like we'll have a Stein's Gate pretending to be high art thread every day. Just like we'll have a Lain/Renmei thread pretending the manga is deep every day. Just like we'll have an Eva thread every day where one guy posts asuka over and over. Just like 3 guys with passes will dump 5 dailies each on gay shojo and jumpshit every day.

There's no room for discussion left. /a/ is done. Just like the soviets had "the bread" and "the soup", so too is this "the thread" and you can line up for your unsatisfying crumb of shit until you die. Bad thread. Bad board. Sad it ended this way.

>>279741618
Kishi just isn't that good at making battle choreography. He draws nice shots and has a good eye when it comes down to perspective, but he can't into battle choreography.

>>279738836
/a/ is a complete joke now. Even reddit is better.

>>279738836
>>279741201
Why is this a bad thread? Doesn't it generate discussion on choreography and techniques for portraying motion and so on? What is your idea of a good thread? I'm genuinely curious, because I open threads like this and I see people discussing Toriyama's panelling and so on, and then there'll be someone explaining it's the downfall of /a/, but they never really explain why or what they would like as an alternative. Sure, OP is "baiting" by saying DB is the ONLY battle manga that can get choreography right, but that at least generates a discussion about choreography that is interesting.

>>279741833
Case in point how good Toriyama was.

>>279741958
>Why is this a bad thread? Doesn't it generate discussion on choreography and techniques for portraying motion and so
No. Dragon Ball is extremely antiquated in this regard and every time OP is given examples of why it's bad he has a meltdown and just remakes the same exact thread the next day. Obviously a 30 year old manga is not the peak of action, only the dumbest most poorly read newfag could possibly believe that. I wouldn't even put DB in the top 50. And no, bait is not a good way to start a thread, especially when it's the same "bait" over and over. (Obviously it's not bait and he genuinely believes this) People have been permanently banned for less on old /a/.

>>279741766
>There's no room for discussion left.
But...
>>279735475
>>279737951
is discussion
What you're saying amounts to complaining that there are a finite number of threads you could make that would be interesting. It's not /a/ that's the problem here, it's that the number of possible things you can discuss about anime is not infinite, so they are going to repeat regularly until you get bored. If you find yourself getting bored that's not a sign that /a/ is trash, because you'll find the same possibilities elsewhere. It's a sign you should go and take a break from the internet. Please don't take out your anger on /a/

>>279735240 (OP)
Isn't Sakamoto Days supposed to be pretty good in this aspect?

>>279735240 (OP)
Can't you just commit suicide already?

>>279742012
>Obviously a 30 year old manga is not the peak of action, only the dumbest most poorly read newfag could possibly believe that. I wouldn't even put DB in the top 50.
I've been here since 2007, and I wouldnt' exactly agree with OP's absolutism, but it's at least in the top 50. The manga as a whole may not be top 50, but the action sure is.

>>279742020
>it's that the number of possible things you can discuss about anime is not infinite
I'm subscribed to more ongoing manga than you've read in your entire life. I find that the more popular anime and manga gets, the dealer and more useless /a/ gets. Which is strange because you'd expect the opposite, but I guess crabs in the bucket here are really bunkering down.

>>279741766
This perfectly sums up how I feel about this place.

>>279741968
I love Toriyama frames these like film shots
>Wide establishing shots (Goku and Vegeta midair or far apart)
>Mid-shots for readability of body positioning
>Close-ups for reactions and hits
>"Smash cuts" between frames to simulate dynamic camera movement

>>279735475
Toriyama was talented but lazy, and that actually played to his advantage in Dragon Ball. He absolutely could have overrendered the shit out of everything, like most shonen manga artists at the time did, but he didn't.
Early on in Dr. Slump, back when he had something to prove, Toriyama liked flexing his artistic chops in all kinds of ways - rendering random funny things in great detail, using tons of screentones (something never once used in Dragon Ball), having complex backgrounds, etc. But by the time he started DB, he had learned to simplify everything. That's why DB looks so clean.

>>279742196
What the hell are you talking about retard? lmao

>>279735240 (OP)
it has soul

>>279742202
Huh? The early chapters of dragon ball are extremely bad and have a lot of amateur mistakes in them.

>>279741833
Yes, that's why his fights most often feel undercooked, weirdly paced, have very little interaction between characters... Some exceptions might include some Minato fights (to be fair, teleportation isn't exactly kung fu but still counts) and Naruto vs Pain

>>279735475
there's a good reason why nearly every high profile mangaka mentions DB as a huge influence and torishima told kubo to read it (and HnK)

>>279742260
I've no clue what you're talking about.

Funny, I didn't know Toriyama made faggots mald like that.

Let's post some more Toriyama choreography/panelling goodness, then.

>>279742337
If you think there was zero improvement from the first chapter of dragon ball and the last one then I don't think you're a rational person and likely just repeating secondhand information from a youtube video or a podcast. This is just common sense and it takes 2 seconds to look at it and see that.

>>279742012
>Obviously a 30 year old manga is not the peak of action, only the dumbest most poorly read newfag could possibly believe that
Why? What relation does it's age have to do with the quality at all?

>>279741766
It's really not fun to come here any more.

>>279742407
Of course, there was improvement, mostly as he became more skilled at paneling action scenes. However, by the time Toriyama started Dragon Ball, he was already a very established manga artist, his work on Dr. Slump was famous all around Japan, and it really showed parts of his artistry that Dragon Ball never focused on.

>>279742407
The last Dragon Ball chapter looks worse than the first one. They're not the same style so the comparison can only go so far, but late game Toriyama was tired.

I think the art peaked during Saiyans personally. Namek is close to that level but lost some details and looked less visceral overall. Cell is a lot weaker especially choreography wise. Buu has better choreography and sense of scale than Cell but also a higher amount of simplified panels with less details. Piccolo Jr has a great amount of details and is technically very solid too, putting it close to Saiyans level.

Anyway, why do you think early DB looks so much worse than other arcs? Especially endgame arcs, which have some issues artwise.

>>279742553
Also, to illustrate my point

This is peak, honestly you could just pick any panel of any fight during the Saiyans one and you'll end up with something really cool

>>279742553
Do you think the page on the left looks good and fluid? Because it sure doesn't to me.

>>279742202
Why did Oda go in the opposite direction to his hero and add more detail even as his lines got shakier, so the detail then looked more muddy vs his more sharp earlier look?

>>279742298
Hokuto no Ken has some nice stuff here and there but you can tell Tetsuo Hara back then was more focused on making each weekly chapter look like something out of a Frank Frazetta painting more than focusing on the action looking dynamic.
I haven't read all of Souten no Ken yet but he probably improved over time to focus on that stuff though, especially since he did not need a weekly schedule anymore. He also never really got worse at drawing.

>>279742620
Yes, it absolutely does. Obviously Toriyama makes some other choices here, considering the action has lesser stakes and there is a higher emphasis on comedy, so the panels aren't as big and focused on violent impacts.

You can't post that scene as another "Vegeta vs Recoome" picture that is solely focused on highlighting the sense of very carefully crafted flow between each hit, the choreography, the way the fighters are positioned and so on.... But that's because that's not what the scene is trying to achieve. In a technical sense, Toriyama has already all the skills he needed, he might have polished them up a little bit around the 22nd tournament to deliver Saiyans level exchanges, but only a little bit, he's already drawing amazing stuff. It's just that his focus isn't on the same things.

>>279742651
Tetsuo Hara's real skill was making Ken look fantastically outraged when he was about to finish an opponent. Being able to draw furious characters is a skill. The light in Ken's eyes at this moment really sells it.

>>279742797
>Yes, it absolutely does.
Then you're insanely biased and there's no point in having a discussion with you.

>>279742797
The follow up hit also needs to be posted because that perspective and impact really sells the scene. You can feel Toriyama's focus has shifted a bit here.

>>279742816
I accept your concession.

>>279742817
>>279742809
Yeah he's pretty good at making his realistic looking characters stay expressive.

>>279741766
I really thought /a/ would have lasted longer but it seems it will be one of the earliest boards to go. And I don't know what the point of an imageboard is with no /a/.

>>279742645
Oda's problem is twofold.
First, he simply got too old. His eyesight went to shit, he's probably got through more carpal tunnel than any human on the planet, and he's been doing this shit non-stop since the late 90s. It must've started really catching up to him during Dressrosa, that's when I first noticed the degradation.
Second, he wants to cram way more story into each chapter. Maybe because he feels like he can't do it for much longer, but still has way too much to tell. As a result, every page in nu-Piece is pure wordslop, ridiculous amounts of exposition cut in-between basic static artwork that feels more like a slide show. It's honestly terrible, I'd expect this from an amateur webcomic, but that's the approach Oda decided to take.

>>279742830
Comparing this to the last chapter... It's another relatively low stakes fight so no big destruction moment and you can tell Toriyama has gotten really used to depicting the 3D movements of these guys. The lack of details hurts sometimes though.

>>279735240 (OP)
Have you tried reading manga that is not in jump

>>279741968
This is the only fight you guys keep showing and op image isnt even that good of a choreography

>>279742888
Piccolo Jr arc is very highly rated and made great use of speedlines and perspective to sell you on these exchanges, see >>279735475

>>279735240 (OP)
It's kind of retarded to argue that a manga on a weekly schedule has good action.

>>279735240 (OP)
modern mangaka are devoid of talent

>>279742977
It's kind of retarded to argue that release schedule determines whether or not a manga has good action. You have your eyes.

>>279742946
OP pic is more of a joke than a very serious action scene, see my post on>>279742797

Toriyama choreography is more like pic related, and this is the picture people keep posting.

>>279742651
hara was more about making every panel iconic, so his fights isn't as fluid as toriyama's. but he improved massively later on. moving to a monthly magazine does that to any artist. araki's later style in part 7 comes to mind too though it became stiff imo

Piccolo Daimao arc doesn't get nearly enough rep. This fight really revolved a lot around positioning and SPEEDLINES, seriously they're everywhere. Good stuff.

>>279742883
Damn this is pretty bad.

>>279735240 (OP)
>child-level basic bitch "choreography"
>OMG THIS IS SO PEAK
Why are shonenshitters so retarded and refuse to read actual manga?

>>279743076
Yeah the panels never missed.
I think Araki's issue over time is also way too much sameface and sticking too hard to the same single bodytype.
Hara seems to vary himself a lot more, though he definitely draws too many characters with the same few faces sometimes, but at least he's the capacity to switch things up, I feel.

>>279742883
>he simply got too old.
He's only 50. I'm 13 year away from 50 and I feel perfectly fine. You're making it sound like he's 70. Being a mangaka destroys the body.

>>279743026
>It's kind of retarded to argue that release schedule determines whether or not a manga has good action
Why is it that when I reverse search this image its been posted 25 times? Obviously dragon ball doesn't have good or detailed action, it's very amateur and rushed. The way dragon ball is structured is to be stretched over many, many pages with repetitive actions that demonstrate very little. It's junk food and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I just find it funny that you faggots are complaining about the current state of /a/ without realising that you're part of the problem. I do think OP is exagerrating but he's at least arguing about his point and providing examples, instead of just bitching and moaning you should post an example to argue against his, or make a "good thread" instead of complaining like a little bitch.
And i also agree that nu /a/ is a pile of dogshit but you're complaining about that in a fairly inoffensive thread compared to all of the other garbage in the board.

Since some people talked about details and clarity, let's post one of the more "cluttered" pages: Toriyama has a lot of details to draw with the rocks, the sky, more complex and defined body shapes, battle damage, etc...

And yet he does a really great job at keeping things very clear. The SFX frames the panels really nicely.

Another highlight for me lies in the last two panels in how he managed to convey Goku stopping himself mid flight so clearly with so little panel space (it needed to happen fast, so it can't take up a full page). The lines on Goku's left leg preparing the kick are minor but help a lot.

>>279743273
He's a manga artist, that job runs you ragged and most mangaka retire early.

>>279735240 (OP)
There are over 63,000 manga entries listed on MAL. Imagine what kind of person thinks that dragon is not only the best out of all of those but also the ONLY one worth reading. Such a person would have to hate manga as a medium. The severe mental retardation on display in this thread is really something else. But you're just gunna make it again tomorrow so why bother? Why even use this shit board any more?

>>279743334
I think it's still kinda messy, his dislike of screentones is definitely a problem here, but the most important parts are readable, and that's what matters.

>>279743429
>look at me, I read Kingdom
Yeah, and I read Shinji Wada. Dragon Ball is still a massive milestone in shonen manga that's a must-read for anyone who likes battle shonen, and also a masterclass in panelling and action that few mangaka ever replicated.

And since Buu is widely criticized people forget it has some gold too.

>>279743293
I'm not OP, I just like Dragon Ball and I find it funny that something as inoffensive as that makes people mald that bad. Especially considering most people know Dragon Ball through the anime which butchered said choreography, meaning Dragon Ball's choreography is actually very underrated overall.

>>279743290
Am I supposed to think this looks good? It's pretty bad, man. Not just the choreography, the panels don't look good on their own either.

>>279735240 (OP)
Nothing makes me ignore a person faster than being a dragon ball fan. It looks like this is just a subhuman jump console war thread anyways and you'll sidestep anything that isn't jumpkid garbage.
>>279741766
This sounds about right to me. Sure wish there was some place I could actually discuss things.

>>279743557
>It's pretty bad, man. Not just the choreography, the panels don't look good on their own either.
How? Articulate your thoughts. I've figured out what forum you've come from and I've got your email, so stop shitposting and answer honestly or it's time to discuss the real topic of this thread because it looks like you are a bundle of low functioning autism lolcow.

>>279743395
>I see you're getting weaker, Oda-kun

>>279743429
>the ONLY one worth reading
If that's what OP meant then he's sadly wrong but Dragon Ball being one of the greats has never been a question. This entire industry agrees. Your favorite mangaka most definitely thinks so too.

These is a reasonable middle ground here. "THE" best isn't really something anyone can claim especially in such a wide space, but OP makes a perfectly reasonable point that the majority of current popular manga don't even get close to replicating this level of clarity and sense of choreography. Hell, they don't even attempt to.

>>279743684
>Dragon Ball being one of the greats has never been a question
It's definitely a question.
>Your favorite mangaka most definitely thinks so too.
Yoshioka Sako and Yasuhisa Hara were not inspired even one bit by dragon ball. Nor was Chica Umino, Hiromu Arakawa, Nobuhiro Watsuki, Akihito Tsukushi, etc. You just don't read manga lol

>>279743432
Namek was a bit more inconsistent especially around late Freeza.

>>279743847
>all that mainstream shit
Lol, lmao even.

Also, you're claiming they weren't inspired but there's nothing to prove it. Of course you can't be expected to prove a negative in that sense, but it's very unlikely such a pioneer wouldn't have influence, directly or indirectly. Especially since you're not really posting some obscure stuff.

I smell Duning-Kruger here. And samefagging, too.

>>279743847
>Hiromu Arakawa
Actually she was. She even mentioned it as an inspiration for FMA along with HxH and HnK.
>"Fist of the North Star, was excellent at combining grim character back story, but still being cute and loveable at the time. Hunter X Hunter, perfected subtle world-building, and unpredictable character arks. And Dragon Ball, took real-life locations, and turned them into beautiful settings."
Kinnikuman was also an inspiration.

>>279743990
So this is the level of anons that melt down at the sight of a Dragon Ball thread. Can't even be assed to double check whether FUCKING FMA had some DB inspiration.

Man. Tech literacy has been lost, back then people knew how to use search engines.

>>279735240 (OP)
Is this mental illness?

>>279744068
No, but this is.

>>279743990
>And Dragon Ball, took real-life locations, and turned them into beautiful settings
What does this have to do with choreography

>>279743980
Stop samefagging and explain how Yasuhisa Hara and Toshio Sako were inspired by dragon ball. This is why everyone is making fun of you. You aren't here to have a discussion, this is just spamming. As soon as you are challenged you just have a mental breakdown

>>279744112
You said Arakawa wasn't inspired Dragon Ball, she was

>>279741766
This place is rapidly getting worse every day. It's insane how bad it's gotten.

>>279744174
I'm just saying it's kind of interesting that your absolute meltdown (let's be real, a lot of these single answers calling OP mentally ill and whining about the board for a somewhat inoffensive if a little provocative thread are samefagged) is followed by the most mainstream mangaka names you could expect.

Duning Kruger it is. Congratulations, you graduated from Shonen Jump, but do you really need to sperg out at the sight of it?

>>279744189
OPs argument is that all action scenes were inspired by dragon ball, when in reality none were. So the answer to his original question is that the action in dragon ball was not good enough to copy. It's really that simple.

>>279744280
>when in reality none were
Toriyama was a gag mangaka, but his haters were gag posters.

>>279735475
this is a good comparison. unfortunately, manga is not this anymore. it's always the zoom out and the giant sound effects with the hitting rhombus shit during action scenes or crazy art that is incredibly hard to follow

>>279744252
What argument would it be to say some super obscure manga was not inspired by dragon ball? Ironic usage of dunning kruger. And you don't have an answer because you have to actually read those manga to know what those mangaka were inspired by, because it's in the manga, not on google. In fact, mangaka frequently have "sensei" they take advice from and also love talking about their favorite manga at the end of volumes, its a great way to find more manga. But you wouldn't know that.

>all posts whining about the board, OP's mental illness and Dragon Ball in general are >1m apart, despite having 5-10 different ones quoting >>279735240 (OP) and >>279741766 specifically

The IP count being gone really made people dumber and bolder, huh.

>>279744421
>OP, who is very obviously samefagging, accuses others of doing the same
How very curious

>>279744382
>What argument would it be to say some super obscure manga was not inspired by dragon ball?
That's not my point. I'll just repeat myself.

>Congratulations, you graduated from Shonen Jump, but do you really need to sperg out at the sight of it?
Reading comprehension is also pretty bad, not that I'm surprised.

I'd just enjoy an actual discussion but there isn't much activity there besides you calling people newfags while being one yourself with 0 self awareness.
No pages being posted, no analysis, no criticism. Just complete schizophrenia, meta posting and namecalling.

Anyway I'm out for the time being, but rest assured in knowing your 10 favorite mangaka all put together will never be even half as influential as Toriyama was.

>>279735240 (OP)
Was allowing /dbs/ a mistake? It's only brought retards here. I have never seen a good post related to dragon ball. I remember from /bant/ that it turned out it was mostly just 5 spammers.

>>279744564
>Anyway I'm out for the time being
You're running away now that there's resistance so you can make the same exact thread tomorrow and you'll keep doing until no one feels like arguing with you any more. Because you don't care about the truth, you're just pushing a dumb agenda. You're not any better than those screaming protesters in california.

Why do people reply to these bait threads?

>>279735240 (OP)
Fake issue, plenty of mangaka are also great panelists, from ToGODshi Hisoka vs Chrollo was incredibly well drawn, JJK happened, the last 20 years of Baki happened, hell the ongoing Tenkaichi: Nihon has probably the best action and choreography of any manga ever.

>>279735240 (OP)
You should lurk for 2 years before posting.

>>279744639
I'll be sure to repost some of these pics if OP remakes the thread and there is some discussion taking off, sure. Sadly that's the first time I see one of these threads on the board, and I expected better than your autistic ass in it. That's life I guess.

>>279735923
It's not just being a gag artist, it's being a gag artist who is actually funny and understands how a joke works.
Here's the secret to fight scenes: They're the same as sex scenes, dance scenes, and a good joke. It's all about set-up and punchline. The only difference is fights, fucking, and frolicking require multiple set-ups and punchlines. You don't remember the first 15 beats of choreo in a fight scene (the set-up), you remember the big standout moments (the punchlines) - but you need the setup for the punchlines to make sense. If I just say "To get to the other side" without asking you why the chicken crossed the road, it makes no sense.

>>279744779
You have zero interest in discussing anything and are a weak coward.

>>279742202
This has to be some of the dumbest shit I have ever read.

>>279744564
>but rest assured in knowing your 10 favorite mangaka all put together will never be even half as influential as Toriyama was.
Pretty much. Whoever their favorite mangaka are, chances are Toriyama is their favorite mangaka.

>>279744576
I think it was a major oversight to let it go as long as it did. Same for naruto which has already spilled out into the catalogue. Can't say I've enjoyed the reward for tolerating these retarded people, and all that has happened is making me go from not caring about things to actively disliking them.

>>279745004
Yeah that's the stupid part. Most people don't get into these elaborate slapfights and just say "yeah it's pretty cool" and maybe elaborate on visual elements that were beyond the scope of Dragon Ball so it's not just a "suck Toriyama's dick" thread, like >>279741833 >>279742651 >>279742645

Kinda sad that this thread triggered a residential schizo because it's actually pretty interesting. For instance Oda used to have a nice eye for composition and negative space.

>>279741766
Personally I'm tired of very obvious low quality and shitty threads being up for multiple days. I have a feeling this thread will be up for a week. I've starting looking at discords and manga sites for discussion because I don't really find this place interesting any more. Not that those other places are much better, but I feel there's at least some small degree of quality rather than an active disdain for anything that isn't the bottom of the barrel. It's kind of unfortunate, I've been here so long I don't have any connections and don't know how to act elsewhere, but I no longer have any choice but to start going to other places.

>>279745226
Comparing HnK to Frank Frazetta is not a good post, normaltard. Keep it to yourself.

>>279745439
>post says HnK is actually more about static panels you're supposed to stop and take a good look at, rather than the flow between each panel and the whole being dynamic and instantly absorbed
>retard laser focuses on FRANK FRAZETTA than the obvious point made above
>retard then calls the post bad as a way to disprove me
>my point was that normal people would discuss in a civil manner and post examples of stuff that isn't done in Dragon Ball, or maybe done better, which is exactly what the post is
>retard ends with some namecalling

This is kind of insane. I didn't expect you to misread TWO posts and expose your retardation in such a short, one line answer. Holy shit. I generally expect pretentious faggots to at least have some level of basic literacy to start being pedant, but you don't even have that. You're not even fit to be called a midwit, because you also have the bad sides of the terminal mongoloid.

>>279735240 (OP)
What's with people making intentionally flammatory threads then throwing a hissy fit when they get btfo? Clearly the subject matter was worded to be focused on dragon ball, like it's some shining beacon of light in a sea of shit manga. The question was not "What's your favorite action scenes in manga". So why do people do this shit? It's like a litmus test saying "please don't comment in my thread unless you're mentally retarded like me otherwise I'll get upset". Really activates the old almonds.

>>279745331
>but I no longer have any choice but to start going to other places
Then go instead of having these meltdowns over Toriyama, no one's stopping you.

>>279745691
>how dare you point out that I compared him to my favorite western BLACKED illustrator!!!
And yes, Frazetta did indeed draw blacked porn, a lot of it. There is no discussion because the thread has been framed in an extremely dumb way.

>>279745913
Are you okay?

>>279745944
Frank Frazetta drew interracial pornography and fantasized about black men fucking his wife. If this sounds like parody or shitposting, well unfortunately it's not.
https://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/11/dont-hide-your-candle-under-a-bushel-mr-frazetta-nsfw/
It's no surprise that he's a /co/ favorite. This is what the dumb normalfags posting here and crying about "moeshit" consume.

>>279745813
There are dozens of somewhat inflammatory threads like these that start with . In fact, a lot of posts on these boards have superlatives in them because of anonymous posting and (You) incentive. That's an everyday thing, was since ancient times and never warranted these threads long meltdowns.

I suspect there's an anon somewhere with a pretty big complex that gets triggered by something as simple and inoffensive as fucking Dragon Ball. That's my first time seeing that.
Didn't expect seeing a thesis on blacked porn in my Chinese comics.

>>279746149
People like you always say that because these are the only threads you post in. Making constant bait threads and writing it off as normal until the board is dead. This is not normal on /a/. This isn't /v/.

>>279741958
>Why is this a bad thread
OP posted a bunch of extremely dumb text walls positing opinions as true then had a meltdown and ran away. (actually he's still here) What do you mean why is this a bad thread? I'm tired of these awful reruns. Imagine if instead of obsessing over dragon ball 24/7 he actually read some decent manga. So much time wasted and for what?

>>279735240 (OP)
I think dragon ball discussion needs a year minimum of radio silence before it can be discussed normally again. With /dbs/ gone too. And when I say normally, I mean rationally viewed as one giant among many, just as Japan sees it, and not some Jesus Christ figure for Hispanic weebs. Clearly people like OP have unfortunately turned it into a tribalistic shitpost engine.

>>279746149
>Didn't expect seeing a thesis on blacked porn in my Chinese comics.
Insecurity does that to a man, sadly.

>>279745439
Original poster. It was just an off-hand comment but Tetsuo Hara is directly inspired by Frank Frazetta's style, I don't know why that's so upsetting.
https://hokuto-no-ken.jp/hokutogatari/interview10-03
>Speaking of the world view, the influence of the movie "Mad Max II" and "Blade Runner", Otomo-sensei, Frank Frazetta, Neil Adams, and Sid Mead in terms of the picture is strong.
And many visual elements (like Raoh's whole design) is directly echoing his art. It's just an assessment.

>>279735240 (OP)
Toriyama's simplicity is his weakness
Yeah his fights are easy to read but they're also extremely boring

>>279747692
Expect an in-depth analysis of the BLACKED genre in pornography in response

>>279747843
>boring
How exactly? Do you mean the lack of original abilities and the focus on martial arts from start to end? I could understand but it's not related to drawing ability

>>279735240 (OP)
Looking at it objectively dragon ball choreography is extremely 1 note and repetitive, and his paneling is pretty plain. And that isn't to say it's lacking gimmicks, moreso that the fights are paneled in a way that doesn't properly control the flow of the battle, which is bad when fights can last entire volumes. I would suggest reading more manga, a lot more.

>>279735240 (OP)
fuck. I was duped into posting my opus in the coomerbait thread.

It's over.

name a bigger downgrade
you literally cant

>>279747843
Are you a retard or something? Toriyama's fights are some of the most dynamic in manga. His mastery of paneling guides your eye and makes every fight feel visceral and organic. It's genuinely like the panels come alive and it gives them a sense of motion that not even the anime can capture most of the time.
You're probably just a zoomer faggot who thinks messy, shitty scribbles like Jujutsu Kaisen are "peak".

>>279735240 (OP)
The whole point of appreciating old things is to see how much things have improved since then. If that's not occurring for you then you're probably doing something wrong.

>>279748828
You're a fucking idiot if you think "progress" is a given in something other than tech (and even tech has drawbacks in progress)

>>279748791
>Falling for bait
Everyone worth their salt agrees Tori is the king. Don't fall for this shit.

>>279748828
>old bad new good
Cucked NPC mentality.

>>279748791
It's pretty shitty. You can literally follow the way the ball is bouncing in this newer manga, that how amazing its grasp on motion and flow is. People who praise old things are generally the most enormous newfags.

>>279748987
It's a decent spread, the way you make it sound is retarded and the argument you're presenting to compare it with Dragon Ball is even dumber.

>>279748987
>no argument
>just "It's pretty shitty"
>actually agreeing with what I said
I accept your concession.

>>279749027
I don't think you know anything about manga at all and aren't prepared to make counter-arguments.

>>279748987
lmao this looks like shit besides the center panel.
Is this really what zoomies consider top tier?

>>279749052
>and aren't prepared to make counter-arguments.
But enough about you.
>It's pretty shitty
Riveting counter-argument, moecuck.

>>279749132
Why does this little girl manga have more dynamic paneling than dragon ball?

>>279748712
Daipa is a menace.

>>279749166
It objectively doesn't.
Your bait is getting more and more low-effort with every post. As expected of a moetranny.

>>279749166
The fact that you had to scribble all over it to illustrate your point proves that the paneling is sub-par.

>>279749198
>It objectively doesn't.
Why doesn't Dragon Ball have borderless panels and think horizontal and vertical panels to control the flow of the action? Dragon Ball panels just snake in an S pattern and go punch-punch-punch-kick-punch. This is objectively plain and boring paneling.

>>279748114
>>279748791

Toriyama focused too much on the choreography and forgot to write anything

Entire fights with little to no dialogue, so little to no reason to care about any of the characters

Cell's fight has got to be one of the worst fights in the industry

A fight is more than good choreography
It's the reason DB's fights are considered the absolute bottom of the barrel of shonen manga

>>279749318
Some of the best paneling ever crafted in the history of manga and makes the fight feel dynamic while also giving it a sense of motion. Utterly shits all over the moetranny garbage you posted.

>>279749355
>WHY ISN'T EVERY FIGHT BROKEN UP WITH WALLS OF TEXT EXPLAINING WHAT THE CHARACTERS ARE ABOUT TO DO LIKE HIATUSXHOMO
Because Dragon Ball is actually a good series.

>>279749361
Hmmm, well gosh, that doesn't sound like an argument. Guess I won the thread.

>>279749355
>Entire fights with little to no dialogue, so little to no reason to care about any of the characters
You do realize the characters fighting have already been introduced and given dialogue before the fights, right?
Holy shit zoomers are braindead
>>279749411
>act like a retard
>get embarrassed like a retard
>"h-heh I won"
>posts tranny shit
Every single moeshitter is like this

>>279749052
You really haven't made any point either. I don't see how Onimai relates to the conversation other than avatarfagging.

But you know what, let's see this a bit more in-depth since you refuse to give an opinion besides "new good, old bad" like a fucking retard.

>>279748987 has a pretty solid panelling composition with that diagonal setup that gets slapped down from top left to bottom left. This is probably the highlight. There is also the way the ball drives the reader's eye towards that point that helps a lot with it. That circular effect on panel 2 also conveys a good sense of speed.

That's kind of about it. The last 2 big panels (the ball being smashed) aren't very clear, the sense of perspective is weird, the actual technical execution of these isolated panels isn't particularly great. They remain clear because of decent color composition (lots of empty space and good balance of blacks vs whites). The speed of the ball in that panel is also not well depicted and it just feels kinda slow.

So all in all, decent panel for me, but more than that, I don't really see how it would be easily compared to fight choreography posted in this thread, these are pretty different tasks and one spread is a pretty shitty way to assess that in the first place. You could at least have posted an entire scene to give some more insight about what works and what doesn't.

>>279749437
You sound very butthurt. Better get some lotion on that butt.

Hey boomer here. Dragon Ball is so shit compared to the stuff we get these days that I use the manga for tinder and toilet paper. It's just mostly filler garbage and boring fights. Just watch Z.

>>279749411
You didn't post anything worth arguing with, you just said something that's factually wrong. It's like being asked to "argue" against some retard who says the Earth is flat. You're just a dumbass, that's all the response needed.

>>279749459
>I don't see how Onimai relates to the conversation other than avatarfagging
Yep, called it >>279749411

Also
>decent panel for me
Meant spread.

>>279749355
That's really stupid. There is dialogue in the fights, it's just not the fighters that are talking while fighting like idiots. Fighting is fighting.

>Cell's fight has got to be one of the worst fights in the industry
Lol, lmao even. You don't even know what you're talking about.

>>279749469
I accept your concession.

>>279749459
>The last 2 big panels (the ball being smashed) aren't very clear
Looks clear to me. Exactly like a ball bouncing. Maybe this just isn't for your age group?

>>279748294
Nah, Toriyama looks deceptively simple because he makes it so easy to follow, but his choreography is very hard to pull off because his fights follow the basic elements of a dance which is:
>beat-by-beat steps
>rhythmic pacing
>spatial control
>cooperation
>sequence
>timing of a prearranged set of moves
That's why you can remember every step of Goku vs Vegeta or Goku vs Piccolo, but not what the hell happened in half the Demon Slayer fights for example because Toriyama wasn't drawing highlight reels, he was drawing fights. If it feels 'repetitive,' that's because you’re not used to clarity. You don’t need gimmicks when the choreography actually works.

>>279735240 (OP)
Looks like OP didn't want discussion and was just a sharty shitposter after all.

>>279741201
>OP has posted his images like 20 times already
>>279741766
>This is the designated paneling shitpost thread. OP will make this thread over and over for next 5 years (at the rate activity is dropping on 4chan
What are you schizos talking about? You're melting down about nothing out of nowhere.

>>279749538
I know the ball is being smashed, idiot. I'm saying these panels are cluttered and generally aesthetically unappealing with shapes that blend in together.

>>279749318
>horizontal and vertical panels to control the flow of the action
Jack Kirby kino.

>>279749569
Interesting because you posted one of the lesser fight scenes in Dragon Ball imo but it still shits all over KnY

Like you said, SPATIAL CONTROL is a big part of it honestly

>>279735240 (OP)
Why do anime chimps pretend they have worthwhile opinions about manga

>>279749166
Man the meltdown is embarrassing

>>279749459
Are these pages in left-first order and not a real spread?
Trying to read it as the former made no sense, and the pages shouldn't have been stitch as-is if the right really was the first one.

>>279735475
He was basically the equivalent of a graphic designer before becoming a mangaka, composition was ingrained into his mind.

>>279749318
Borderless panels don't define good paneling and choreography, autist. You sound like someone who discovered yesterday that some manga make use of these kinds of panels and now thinks it's objectively better and should be applied everywhere. Complete mongoloid.

>>279749569
Thank god most manga is not as shit as dragon ball. Imagine the brain rot.

>>279749745
Not an actual spread, there is one or two pages in between them, but I paste them together because I liked the parallel.

>>279749826
LMAO based

>>279749596
Hmm... Nope, no arguments here!
Better luck nex

>>279749596
Hmm... Nope, no arguments here!
Better luck next time, babe. x

>>279749437
Bro you are BOILING

>279749944
>279749909
Did this really need reposting?

Man, this board truly is fucked up but not for the reasons the samefag is bringing up ITT.

>>279750046
>classical paneling
Huh? Ashita no Joe doesn't have shitty ass paneling like this lmao

>>279750116
NOOOOOOO PLEASE STOP

>>279750136
>cherry-picking
See?

>>279750089
ngl homie, bro has a nice beard and jawline

>>279750136
>ASHITa no Moe

>>279750116
Daima is such a perfect contrast to Toriyama's actual artstyle. Just pure coporate slop that can't recapture what people liked about Dragon Ball.

>>279750205
How can it be "classic" if older manga has BETTER paneling? You simply haven't read enough manga and overvalued dragon balls influence. All it did was create a generic standard for jump shit and popularize wuxia. Hell the latter could be attributed many negative aspects of modern manga.

lol I'm glad everyone is finally admitting Dragonball is and has always been shit

>>279750313
Yeah, it's basically an SD bastardization of existing, marketable designs.

>>279743273
Do you sit in your ass drawing every day and sleep 3 hours a night?

>>279735240 (OP)
I mean, once it was Z arch in the manga the choreography wasn't a thing anymore.

>>279750386
fr fr those boomers and their nostalgia glasses

>>279750419
>Z arch in the manga
???????
"Z" (post 23rd Budokai) has some of the best battle choreography in Dragon Ball, and many have been posted ITT

>>279750460
>some of the best battle choreography in Dragon Ball
Not a high bar when Dragonball is shit lol

>>279750116
Yeah daipa is indeed fucking shit

>>279750488
LMAO that fucking top panel
What the fuck is wrong with his face? Toriyama was always shit huh
>needing four fucking panels for a character's head to move
I really fucking hate retards who pretend this shit series is peak

>>279750498
I hate Daima man
At least the last few episodes were decent but honestly, what a miss design wise

>>279750488
boring as fuck

>>279749459
>>279749745
>>279749862
should've stitched it like this bro

>>279750529
>needing four fucking panels for a character's head to move
Kek. I concede you baited me good

>>279749318
this is like complaining a the godfather is boring cause it doesn't have tarantino style editing

>>279750608
>I concede
Yeah Dragonball is shit.

Reminder that there will never be another Toriyama. The times have changed.

>>279750460
It's not but this is subjective I guess so whatever, I did mean to write the choreography being good wasn't a thing anymore. so that's my bad.

>>279750611
>>>/tv/ zoomie, there are way better movies than the godfather and tarantino is overrated.

>>279750658
>Reminder that there will never be another Toriyama
Good, maybe now shonen manga won't be beholden to his garbage paneling and can actually move forward

Scouter Vegeta is very underrated

>>279735240 (OP)
What was accomplished by this thread other than looking like a dumbass?

>>279750658
this is so fucking cringe holy shit

>>279750658
Miyazaki and Anno will be remembered for ever. Tori and Oda made slop for spics.

>>279750675
No, this is largely a meme perpetuated by animeonlies who only watched Ki spams and choreography bastardization by Toei

The """Z""" manga operates on pretty common "rules" and aesthetic sensibilities as the pre-Z one, at the very least when it comes to drawing fights (the designs have been made more square and less round but that's another thing)

>>279750736
That's what Dragonballtards are best at lol

Timeless

Not Toriyama but GT also had some nice shots sometimes, at least this one

>>279749826
I can't unsee this.

>>279750658
>there will never be another retard who bastardizes his main IP and also abandons it to work on fucking shit like sandland
Good

>>279750857
Rare Toriyama GT illustration

Guess it could have been good if he was drawing it

>RTH
Kek, typical moeshitter.

>>279750802
Looks like dog shit.

>>279750919
Go back to your /dbs/ containment general.
Oh there isn't one HAHAHAHAHA

>>279735240 (OP)
Some people just appreciate choreography and some don't. There are actually people who criticize Jackie Chan films saying that shit won't work IRL

Why is this Onimaifag seething so hard?

I am brown and proud

>>279750857
Pan!

>>279750958
Sounds like something a delusional Faggot's Balls tard would say

>>279750857
Giga Turd looked like shit 99% of the time tho.

>>279750994
Then go back to your containment general.

>>279750981
probably had a bad day or something

>>279750994
Kensukebro...

>>279749826
Thanks, bro. You just showed why Toriyama is still the best and why Demon Slayer's paneling is so ass, lol. The Goku vs Cell was from 1992 at that too. The Demon Slayer fight is from 2019 and it looks like it's from the 60s.

>>279751038
It had some cool stills sometimes. Sometimes.

>>279751043
*Stroked my 1 inch brown cock and cums on your face*
no

>>279751079
Honestly you didn't need to draw lines. Just posting this in low res highlights that you can follow left but not right.

>>279751089
Gokubro...

>>279749826
You know, now that I think of it, every generic dudebro normalslop manga does follow that same basic ass S pattern. Grim.

>>279750981
Schizophrenic tranny being an absolute pseud trying to fit in by shitting on dragonball, it's had an agenda against you guys for the past year by now

>>279751089
You disgusting spic. Go back.

>>279751137
Sorry, it should be a Z instead so tourist brainless like you can read right to left

>>279751143
>trying to fit in by shitting on dragonball
>while pushing an agenda saying how 4chan loves dragon ball and its a masterpiece and all criticism against it is one person
idk sounds like you're gaslighting, sister.

>>279735240 (OP)
Because Toriyama worked harder than everyone else.

>>279751229
He's projecting.

>>279751079
Toriyama was a genius
And the funniest thing is that he likely does it all by instinct, literal idiot savant

>>279750407
No, but I sit on my ass for far longer and then get 8 hours of sleep. I think it's the lack of sleep that's killing them, not the sitting. I make sure to lift weights and walk to the shop to get more food as well, but other than that I'm just NEETing all day. 3 hours of sleep is a death sentence though. I used to wonder why so many had back and bone problems young, and it's probably the lack of sleep meaning they aren't healing as much. I wonder if mangaka who get proper sleep are in good health, because there are jobs that involve way more stress on joints where people stay healthy longer.

>>279751241
You know how the message in Baki is that play is nobler than work? I think that's how Toriyama managed to perform that well despite hating works, he really had a sense for cinematography and ended up acing it in that regard

>>279751229
No there is good criticism you can make for Dragon Ball but it's not going to come from someone avatarfagging as something as embarrassing as Onimai.

>>279751274
Toriyama's lines are such a nice thickness. Toyo's are way too thick and too samey.

Muscle Tower....
Home...

>>279751274
This looks like dogshit.

>>279735240 (OP)
The only one? There's plenty out there where it works. Baki and Kengan (Ashura) to name a couple.

>>279735240 (OP)
The guys who said that dragon cucks are on another whole level of retardation weren't kidding KEK

>>279751362
There are countless people in this thread shitting on dragon ball and you responded to every single one dismissively.

>>279751284
It's kind of fitting, Dragon Ball is a very whimsical and "whatever may happen" kind of work, and so was the author, so much that he forgot a lot about his own work and detached himself from it in a few ways

I guess the larger message here is that the work itself matters less than the general outlook on things.

>>279751362
Dragonball is just shit brah. It ain't that deep.

>>279744280
Way to replace one hyperbole with another one, do you want to lose arguments or do you just enjoy wasting people's time when you talk?

>>279751421
There's one tranny samefagging and 0 point being made, the closest we had was the Haikyuufag posting an okayish spread but that's nothing. We also had people actually discussing things and they were shat on by the samefag too.

>

I wish I could buy an Arale figure but they're all so fucking expensive.

>>279751274
Do dragonspics really like this?

>>279751229
>trying to pretend it hasn't been melting down for the whole thread
Cute tranny, now bend over and gape your asshole for your betters

Guess which volume.

>>279751362
Onimai is a better manga than Dragon Ball, objectively speaking.

Is this Onimaifag pretending to be retarded by saying Toriyama doesn't deserve to be on the list and isn't a contender for #1? You can hate modern DB and DB babies from Xitter sure, and DB itself isn't some masterpiece, even at its peak, but Toriyama's simple style mixed with amazing fight choreography and paneling were god tier up until the Cell arc. And while it took a step down in the Buu arc, it was still pretty good.

>>279751601
Why did you post a /v/eddit image

>>279751601
He's on Oda's level. Just slop that only retarded spics like.

>>279751601
Jealousy is a really ugly thing

>>279751678
Stop replying to your self you stupid spic. Dragon Ball is slop for the masses.

>>279751601
I think he's actually baiting honestly

Also I think you're underselling the Buu arc and overselling the Cell arc, Buu had more scale in its fights even if it had less details than Cell, so I ended up prefering Buu even artistically

>>279751284
>>279751322
I like the cinematography in that shot where Gohan and Krillin get ambushed by Vegeta, the perspective from above and smaller panel makes you feel constricted and cornered in a small place. And of course since Vegeta is above them it also directly links to his perspective

>>279751647
>>279751699
Keep melting down, dog.

Ask anyone who hates Toriyama's works what things are better and you ALWAYS get
>I Reincarnated into a Tranny Faggot who Licks the Feet of Other Faggots
or
>[RANDOM MANGA NOBODY HAS READ SO YOU CAN'T SAY IT BAD]

Do your job, janny.

>Japanese fanbase appreciates the work of elder Namek Moori (the guy who destroyed Freeza's scouters and upgraded the Dragon Balls after Namek)

I wish Western fanbase was even half as based.

>DID YOU SAY HECKING ONIMAI'S?
*Sips IPA*
>ONIMAI IS HECKIN ANIME OF THE YEAR LEFTYPOL SISTERS!!!!!!
>OMG OMG OMG OMG
>HECKING EPIC POGGY WOCKY SLUSH!!!!
>NOOOOOO STUPID SHONENTARD NAZI WE DO REEED WE DO REEEEEEEEED NOOOOOOO CHAINSAW MAN AND FRIEREN ARE STUPID ANIME!! 1735! 1735! 1735!
>IS THAT POGGY WOGGING HECKIN WHOLESOME CHUNGUS ONIMAI WOCKY SLUSH !!!!
>i literally can't right now!!!
>I GET SO EXCITED ABOUT IT I KNEEL! I KNEEL FOR MY BLACK MASTER! WOCKY SLUSH !!!!
>THE GENDER CHANGING COLA REMINDS ME OF MY HECKIN DILATOR AND MY DISCORD CLAN.
>SUS BRO I LOVE TWITTER LMAO DREAM IS SO FUNNI HAHAHA REDDIT BRUH LMAO LIKE HIM HATE HIM HE SPITTING STRAIGHT FACTS LEL LE
> I LOVE REDDIT YALL YALL YALL HAHA SEE I WHO I GET TO SEE HAHA LMAO THIS IS JUST LIKE MINECRAFT!!!HORNY ON MAIN??
>SELFCARE CRINGE BRO BE LIKE BE LIKE HE PROTECC HE ATTACC BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY SHE REALLY SAID OK BOOMER AND THATS VALID BRO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SIIIIMPS! LITERALLY NO CAP
>I AM SHE/THEY ON TWITTER AN I’M BOUT TO END THIS WHOLE MAN’S CAREER MY GUY MY GUY MY GUY BORK BORK DOGGO FRFR ACAB BLM #PROUDFURRY JOIN MY DISCOOOOORD
>ITS SO HECKING COOL, THE MAKERS ARE EVEN COMMUNISRLTINO POG LORDS LIKE ME WHO TOOK THE KNEE FOR MR SAINT FLOYD (MAY YAKUB REST HIS SOUL)
>SUCH A EPIC POOGERS SHOW I CAN'T WAIT TO POST THIS ON ®EDDIT!!! WOCKY SLUSH !!!!
>#pogchamp WOCKY SLUSH !!!!
>IT'S GOING… IT'S GOING…. AND YEEESSSSS THE BBC HAS LANDED INTO MY WIFE OH MY SCIENCE THIS IS A GLORIOUS DAY I FEEL SO EMPOWERED LETTING ANOTHER MEN FUCK MY WIFE JUST LIKE MY FRIEND
>MAYBE I WILL TAKE OUT A LOAN SO THOSE TWO CAN GO ON VACATION DID YOU SEE THE HECKIN CUTE DILATING LOLI (MALE, NO PENIS)?
>LET ME POST THIS ON MY TIK TOK!!!
>W-WHAT??? DID THAT BULL JUST MISGENDER ME??? OH NO NO NO I'M TOTALLY NOT MENTALLY ILL OR ANYTHING BUT THAT'S ENOUGH TO PUSH ME OVER THE EDGE
>I CAN'T LIVE ANY LONGER… GOODBYE *hangs himself*

>>279751746
Nope, HnK is way better than all of that shit.

>>279749596
Well, the weird thing to me is that the ball is getting absolutely smashed downwards by the enemy then reflected by player 16 so the 20 nearest the net can knock it to the final guy, number 5, who looks like he's winding up to absolutely smash, but then... it just gently tumbles over the net, and the enemy 4 and 12 guys can't catch it.
Maybe that's supposed to happen or it's supposed to be a trick, but it gives the impression a huge shot is about to happen, and then it just doesn't. Could be intentional. I don't read sports manga.

>>279751746
Wait, Tienrus has a manga!?

>>279751786
>Shit NOBODY has read
Proved me right. KWAB!

>>279751803
Yeah 5 ended up doing nothing, oddly enough. Could be a setup? I think Haikyuu has nice art.

>>279751841
>popular slop is better than the most influential manga
You're a zoom spic, aren't you? One piece and Dragon Ball is just goyslop for spics. Liking it means you're a very stupid person.

>>279751746
>I don't know any manga besides Dragon Ball
Is this really a "defense" to you Dragontards?

>>279751699
>tourist brainlet using buzzwords he doesn't understand
DragonBall and all of Toriyamas stuff is soul, onimai is the exact definition of pandering slop that could have been made in a test tube for its audience of neet trannies

>>279751746
TRVKE

>>279735240 (OP)
Is Tsugumomo ongoing?

Bros... This might be better than Dragon Ball!

>>279750958
>Since I'm a contrarian, I don't want to go along with what everyone else thinks.
Toriyama was /ourguy/

>>279751893
I'm not the onimaifag you dumb spic. I just have read enough manga to know that the most popular series are always slop for low iq spics like you.

>>279751746
>[RANDOM MANGA NOBODY HAS READ SO YOU CAN'T SAY IT BAD]
But kingdom is better than Dragon ball and its one of the most popular manga in japan????

>>279751818
I don’t think it’s tienrus, it’s whoever runs the new wiki that spams the AI tranny shit. He’s doing it in his own thread right now, so at least this one will stay decent while he’s contained in there.

Who did it better?

>in japan
Aint nobody care about those tiny bug eyed cuckolds

>>279751987
Dragon Poo sucks

>>279751950
is this supposed to impress or something
please give me a cue when I have to applaud idk

>>279751987
Tori's art is so clean it's amazing. It mogs the Anime on many occasions.

>toriyama was totally a genius
>Aint nobody care about those tiny bug eyed cuckolds
Do you spics think you're any better than Japs? At least they are more creative than you and make good manga.

>>279751950
If your favorite isn't in the top 10 then it don't matter, sorry that your chink manga didn't make it to the all stars

>>279752030
It does, but in this one instance I think the anime is a strong contender too

>>279752002
They have better taste than westoids usually

>make good manga.
MexiCHADS make better content than Japanese anyways o algo

>>279752029
>dbspic has gay normalfag taste
Shocking

>>279752059
Always good to see Slam Dunk dominating

>>279752059
>a bunch of garbage that appeals to dumb kids
No wonder you spics like that so much, you have the intelligence of a child.

>>279752059
Everything here except LORDGOD Ball Is shit.

If being a normalfag means you aren't a tranny then everyone should be a normalfag

>>279752059
Actually, I believe it's in the 12 spot despite being 20 years newer than most of those and having no international release. Quite impressive actually :)

>SPICSSPICSSPICSSPICSSPICSSPICSSPICSSPICS
Dragon Ball fans are whiter than the average moetard. They are brown as fuck.

>>279752120
Of course, it was the only manga that could compete with Dragon Ball

>>279752149
>A-A-A-ACKSHUALLY
Quiet, moeshitter.

>>279752110
See? That's already a better page. Keep improving like that and maybe you'll eventually develop some kind of taste overall instead of being a retard fawning over spreads without any idea of good and bad.

>>279752164
Go on YouTube and find me one white man discussing dragon ball. Find me a single one.

>>279752078
>MexiCHADS
Ok, it's my fault for taking you spics seriously. You retards just like dragon ball cause you wanna transform into white people just like the saiyans do.

>>279752177
For me, it's Mitsui and Akagi.

>>279752187
>dragontard immediately identifies with the NTR page
Shock. Ing.

>>279752229
>reading NTR
Hmmm. I nootice.

Dragon KEKS are retarded luckily Daima exposed PEDOyama as a fucking fraud before he died HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>279752196
>Go o-ACK!
https://youtu.be/b3fEQy-KeQM?si=SH1IsJqLaSJziqcC&t=27

>>279752258
Well of course. I hate Dragon Ball because it doesn't have enough NTR. It's my favorite thing to jerk off to because I am just like a true Nippon!

Do your job, janitor.

>He RAN after I exposed him for being a retard
KWAB!

>>279752222
The aftermath of the gang fight, when Mitsui breaks down and starts crying that he loves b-ballin still gets me
https://youtu.be/1WWAesLqT8g

>please save me janny
Retarded mexicans always thinking there will be someone to help you. Go back.

>>279752387
Check his insta, he's a soulless pale spic with a blonde avatar. 99% of dragon ball fans are brown.

>>279752390
For me, it's his highlight against Sannoh

Any Anime recommendations for me? I am;
Brown, transgender, a woman, bisexual, obsessed with cuckoldry, have a foot fetish, and I have AIDS. Thanks in advance!

>>279752258
>implying
https://youtu.be/--W7yEx8ZQ8

>>279752265
It is crazy how he destroyed his own franchise before kicking the bucket.

>>279752461
Try お兄ちゃんはおしまい!

>>279752461
Dragon Ball

>>279752485
Daima isn't that bad honestly. Boring but overall inoffensive compared to Super, especially the manga arcs of Super.

>>279752435
Carthu is white and you're a coping bitch. I accept your concession.

>>279752271
On what planet is this white? You posting from namek, Jamal?

>>279752461
Dragon Ball or One Piece. You will feel right at home.

>>279752461
Anime with Jewish sensibilities such as Onimai will be great for you.

See you later scholars

>>279752534
Maybe in muttmerica. That's a spic coping and wanting to have blonde hair, just like all of you do. That's the reason you like this slop so much, you fantasize about turning into a real white person.

>>279752520
>Utterly bastardizing your franchise and making it flop isn't that bad

>>279752569
Seeya king.

>>279752461
Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super. The average Dragon Ball general is full of those fetishes.

>>279752578
Whites are some of the biggest anti-whites out there, I don't want to be one lol.

>>279752520
In terms of vibes, it does feel like Daima is a proper continuation of the original manga without flanderizing Goku but it's still so jarring that they turned everyone into kids and bringing back SSJ4 without the tail
Though, I can't say Daima's highs beats Super's highs (Ultra Instinct) but its lows could really be low IMO

Have some Chi-Chi

>>279735923
One Piece is 0% funny though.

>>279752674
I'll say Daima is boring and uninspired and mediocre but it never offends me like retarded low parts of DBS (Bardock ones) do

>>279752650
...when it comes to obesity, hypertension, and school shootings.

>>279751950
That hardly compares like for like.

>>279735240 (OP)
>Murata's paneling
Have you seen the paneling for ONE? He may not be good at art, but his paneling is really good.

>>279742298
This girl made more pictures

>I like Dragon Ball!
Phrases that let you know instantly that the "person" you're talking to isn't worth your time

>>279752705
Same. I didn't get as annoyed by Daima besides SSJ4 redesign but I mostly treated it like a harmless spin-off. It was still a bit dull and the Demon Realm is pretty lame tho
The Bardock retcons was just too much and just left me embittered

>>279752816
paneling of* ONE
And even his art has become much better than it was before.
ONE's paneling is pretty much top of the line, I don't think it loses to Toriyama's, but most people don't read the webcomic.

>>279753006
>harmless spin-off
Right so harmless it killed the franchise KEK

>>279752993
You are being ethnically replaced by Dragon Ball fans, cucky.

>>279735240 (OP)
>>279752816
>>279753027

>>279753073
>admitting Poo Ball fans are all Mexican

>>279752816
ONE's paneling takes a fat shit on Murata's. Murata is extremely technically sound but ONE has much better composition. I consider it good to the point where I would put it around Togashi's level and I feel it's not talked about enough imo

>>279744576
Yes. The mods should have moderated people into the weekly, once a week, show threads instead of setting up /dbs/ as a catch all containment general. The exception would have been the monthly chapter threads. It spilled out to the point of tainting general discussion across the site. I'm tired of seeing that stain, set my manga free.

>>279753201
Mexicans are fucking your women while you jerk off to lolis and trannies

>>279735240 (OP)
>Even Murata's paneling is somehow getting worse.
Murata's paneling got shittier the more his shitty adaptation deviated from the source material, the webcomic.

>>279753319
They tried that and it failed because /dbs/ is too strong for them!

>>279735240 (OP)
Please post more comparisons
>>279753319
A rangeban of all /dbs/ posters and soviet level moderation would fin dbz discussion. Of course the mods aren't gonna do shit, but it'd be a start

>>279753537
*fix

>>279752816
>>279753027
>>279753096
>>279753207
>>279753390
Oh my God, that's fucking wonderful. I take that over Murata's art a million times over.

>>279753537
OP is a /dbs/ poster

what's up with the Onimai fag lately? is this some sort of tranny melty?

>>279753613
It's really underrated, even more so when a lot of people don't go ahead on the webcomic because of its initial artwork.
ONE got far better as Murata got far worse.

>>279753713
'fraid so.

>>279753713
No one likes you, you know.

To be like Toriyama you must aim simplicity. Not just in terms of art but story as well. And that's the problem, shonen authors nowadays care to much about plot, lore and all that shit.

>>279754052
You already made this post

>>279754080
That's the first time I'm posting here anon

>>279754107
You already made this post with the same exact wording, at least try to hide it

Why are modern Mangaka like this?

>>279754128
Wtf

>>279754169
>I want to be Togashi so bad

>>279754052
ONE's webcomic is like that, Versus also seems to be this way to a great extent.
Up until Boros, the manga adaptation was almost identical, but it deviated and became much more complicated, among other things (which completely ruined the pace) from the monster association arc onwards.

>>279754196
>>Togashi
Is shit

>>279752821
Sauce?

It's pointless to discuss the beauty of the paneling in the DB manga here, OP. /a/ is full of zoomers nowadays who grew up without developing a taste for visual art. They genuinely think Murata's OPM, Jujutsu Kaisen, MHA and other modern abominations have good paneling. Don't forget it is the generation who grew up with capeshit movies instead of Lion King, Minecraft instead of Super Metroid, Everything Everywhere All at Once instead of Mulholland Drive, Ted Lasso instead of The Sopranos, etc.

>>279754442
Zoomers love Dragon Ball. Its appeal is universal.

>>279754403
https://x.com/miyuliart/status/1298635322604032002

>>279754442
I think good fight choreography is dead these days not necessarily because the artists are bad but because of the audience. A manga like Dragon Ball, which spent chapters just showing kicks and punches, would never be successful now. Kids would be like "Man, what a drag."

>>279735240 (OP)
funnily enough bleach feels alot like dragon ball

>I'm such an epic boomer for watching entry level toonami anime
what did he mean by this

>>279754676
Not at all. Kubo doesn't know how to work with negative space like Toriyama and his angles are pretty basic too.

>>279754755
>negative space
Not him, but what is that?

>>279754744
This is literally just togashi paneling. Which is in reality just Higawara paneling.

>>279754442
>/a/ is full of zoomers
That's not it, it's anons trying to gatekeep without knowing what it is they want to uphold.

>>279754676
Kubo definitely tries to make his fights readable and puts an effort into the choreography in the Big 3
It was never really Kishi's forte and I dunno what the hell Oda is drawing

>>279754755
from the pics I posted, you literally can see his angles changing

>>279754791
Basically it's the white area around objects and characters. Toriyama was a master at this. Kubo became a meme precisely because he's not lol

>>279754806
>without knowing what it is they want to uphold.
You're the one who doesn't know what needs to be upheld because you have such a superficial and singularly retarded view of manga. It screams dumb newfaggot. You cannot co-exist with them, as demonstrated by this thread.

>>279754916
I didn't say they didn't exist I said they are basic.

>>279755189
that's just your average bleach no-background panel
>it became a meme
because dbfags are jealous that kubo is on toriyama's level

>>279755189
>Basically it's the white area around objects and characters
That's not what it is and that's not what it's for. You're conflating empty space with negative space. How incredibly retarded can you be? Negative space illustrates something within the negative. Holy hell dragon ball fags are dumb. Why would anyone give you the time of day?

>>279755189
Please tell me this post is an ironic shitpost.

>>279755247
Dragon Ball angles are basic when they are.
When they are not, it's an unnecessary angles.

>>279755390
Not him, Kubo is better than most mangaka at this, that's why I liked his manga more than the others from the big 3.
But that doesn't mean he's really that good, it's more that most mangaka have inferior skills to him in this respect, but Toriyama is still better than him in this respect.

>>279755555
I'm not a DB fan BTW.

>>279735240 (OP)
You just know this guy watched a youtube video on dragon ball and defined his whole life by it.

>>279755408
>Negative space illustrates something within the negative.
Not him, but what is that?

>>279735240 (OP)
>Every other battle manga's fights are incomprehensible garbage.
you answered your own question, clarity clarity and more clarity. DB is clean, straight forward, no bullshit.

>>279735475
I have seen this image 9000 times already, the majority of shonen fights are completely unintelligible and Toriyama was an exceptional artist
It's like you're shitting on kny specifically when it's just Toriyama and a handful other artists who are capable of this kind of flow

Bleach has great art but the terrible writing prevents it from reaching its full potential. Yammy reveals his true power only to disappear with Byakuya and Kenpachi to fight and lose offscreen, sick fight, very important.

>>279736716
Despite this the anime seems to be shit and very hated by other people.

>>279755622
This

>>279755555
That said, I've honestly enjoyed ONE's paneling in the later parts of the webcomic more than Toriyama.

>>279755683
I don't understand shit.

>>279755408
That's why I said "basically" you idiot. Anyway, Kubo is terrible at this. His pages lack balance while Toriyama is precise as clockwork (that's why he doesn't need screentones).
>>279755390
Toriyama, like Kubo, doesn't care about backgrounds. But while in DB we don't miss it, in Bleach we do. And why? Because Kubo is a hack.

>>279742645
Oda also increased fanservice over time while Toriyama reduced fanservice in his manga.

>>279755762
It's painting a picture with negative space, by inverting it changes from two faces to a vase. Look up the comic Sin City, the whole thing is mostly that

>>279755781
>That's why I said "basically" you idiot
No, you're a coping retard who completely got it wrong. Stop parroting podcasts or reddit posts or god knows what and go actually read manga.

>>279755915
Sin City is fucking garbage lmao, both the comic and the film.

>>279756064
Doesn't matter retard, it's the biggest example of negative space. If a sub 80 IQ jump spic couldn't understand the definition, just looking at the comic is the quickest and simplest explanation.

"Less is more" was Toriyama's entire philosophy. It's why his final arc villains tended to have more simplistic designs, and it's also why GT was such a fucking piece of shit. Overdesigned garbage like SS4, Omega Shenron, and Baby are the antithesis of Toriyama's style and stuck out like sore thumbs. This also translates to his choreography and paneling, which is why it's easy to weed out the retards who dismiss it as "too simple", because they're too fucking retarded to actually comprehend the philosophy behind what Toriyama was doing.

>>279756120
It does matter when the crux of your argument is "NEGATIVE SPACE MAKE THING GOOD!", which is demonstrably wrong because Sin City is SHIT.
You retarded tranny. Cope, mope, and rope.

>>279751079
DB
>clear directional flow left to right, top to bottom your brain isn't fighting the layout.
>motion is isolated so each punch, block, and movement is framed like a camera shot
>spatial clarity so you always know who is where, who's striking, and what direction things are moving
>no wasted panels, each one adds to the motion or beat
>SFX are minimal, they're used to support impact, not distract from movement
This pic is a good comparison because it literally shows you clean sequencing and the flow is obvious without the red lines

And then there's DS
>panel chaos, no consistent eye flow and redlines zigzag like a drunk bee trying to find a flower
>character position is unreadable, who's where ? who hit who? did the blind guy teleport across the frame?
>sfx overload that makes the fights unreadable
>cluttered action with no fluid motion, ackgrounds, speed lines, overlapping forms, nothing reads
>and finally reliance on exposition, characters constantly narrating the fight because the art isn't telling the story
That Onimaifag doesn't understand choreography but still wanted to look smart by acting like "Toriyama's paneling is linear, basic, and boring. It doesn't zigzag and swirl, so it's bad"

>>279756186
>It does matter when the crux of your argument is "NEGATIVE SPACE MAKE THING GOOD!"
I did not make that argument. I do not even like Bleach. Or Dragon Ball. Everything that occupies space in your head is shit basically.

>>279756238
>unintelligible transsexual babble

>>279756199
>clean sequencing
Garfield has the cleanest sequencing I have EVER seen. So clean, blud, shits fire.

Will Dragonball ever have normal discussions again?

>>279756291
Why does a 40 year old manga for little kids need daily discussion?

>>279755915
>>279756064
>>279756120
>Sin City is fucking garbage lmao
Have you ever noticed how you can detect retards by their inability to separate aspects of a thing from its quality as a whole?

>>279756326
There is always something new to unpack or revisit when it comes to Dragon Ball. The series has a lot more complexity, depth, and nuance than normalfags think.

>>279756326
>40 year old
>kids
Where do you think you are?

>>279756408
You already had your troony melty, no need to respond again pretending to be a totally new poster.

>>279756326
Why does it need discordfags posting shit "memes" every day

>>279756445
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same poster
real schizo hours have begun

Toriyama’s art falls apart when you are outside it’s strikezone of Japanese children and brown adults
The characters have no weight or physicality to them, almost every scene is one character standing around like a dunce while the other moves at 3x his normal speed to do a “cool trick”
None of the characters have any momentum, and they magical emit strength from their hands instead of it flowing from their body
Look at the retardation in the op
Goku and his opponent slam their fists into each other, then goku retracts his fist while his opponent does nothing, leaving his full weight on it. Then goku jabs his opponent in the eyes while he does nothing, then, with no wind up, he smacks him through solid stone
Almost every fight has this same retard formula of one fighter standing still while the other teleports behind them, or flips them over, or uses a single pinky to smash them through a building

Once you have outgrown slapstick you have outgrown dragonball. It’s just cartoon fighters being hit through buildings
Go back to sharty retard

>>279756517
Uh oh, another melty incoming!

>>279756537
Success breeds jealousy.

>>279756440
A kids product being old doesn't make it mature. You aren't a boomer for watching nothing but infantile content, but made decades ago. A deadly mistake made by many retro larpers.

>>279756576
>he says, as he goes back to watching his FOTM CGDCT moeslop

>>279756613
As an actual old person, I certainly don't mind being called young. A lot of SoL is seinen, however.

>>279756568
>makira

>>279756576
No, I'm saying you're barking up the wrong tree complaining about us discussing an ancient kid's cartoon. /a/ is filled with autistic 30 and 40 year olds. I'm not a retro larper when I was born in the same decade the content we're discussing was made. We know we're not mature. We know we're essentially more functional versions of chris-chan hopefully minus the mother fucking (perhaps). No one ever said "Ah yes, /a/, the paragon of stability and maturity". All this is, is a culture clash between ancient NEETs posting from desktop and zoomers who phone post on their wagiebreak.

>>279756930
/a/ is for otaku, not sonic x and digimon fans discussing what flavor of crayon tastes best.

>>279757068
Absolute cringe.

>>279757068
What do you think otaku are? I'm not saying we're literally retarded, or subhuman, but otaku obsessing over kid's media (from Japan) is a consistent feature of /a/, and that's fine. You have to make peace with that, hence "where do you think you are?"

>>279757206
Riajuu screeching over jump shit who get all their information from youtubers and reddit are not otaku. OP has demonstrated repeatedly he doesn't know anything about manga.

>>279757312
Hey look you posted garbage

>>279757342
There's more of that riajuu screeching.

>>279757353
HxH is objectively bad. That's just how it is.

>>279752590
>He thinks Super didn't bastardize the franchise
At least Daima built upon established material, Super is like a fever dream, some AF tier fanfic shit, goddamn multiverses and a transformation for every color of the rainbow.

>>279753027
>>279753096
>>279753207
>>279753390
Man, I wish ONE's art had been like this since the beginning of the webcomic. There would never have been any need for Shitrata if it was.

Reminder that HxH is filled with spam dialogue because the author can't draw a decent fight scene to save his life and needs a way to make his stick figures seem like they're doing something special because he can't show it

>>279757685
>the author can't draw a decent fight scene to save his life
This is better than anything in Dragon Ball.

>>279757685
Sometimes I wonder if he's dyslexic and thinks it's "tell don't show".

>>279757727
Bait used to be believable.

>>279757758
Cope, Hagiwara taught Togashi everything about making based manga that he needs to know. Toriyama wishes he could make a comic even 1% as good as Bastard!!

>>279757758
Cope, Hagiwara taught Togashi everything about making based manga that he needs to know. Toriyama wishes he could make a manga even 1% as good as Bastard!!

>>279735923
One Piece's actions scenes actually used to have much more clarity and was easier to follow while also being fairly dynamic. But sometime after Enies Lobby, Oda became obsessed with stuffing as much panels into every page as possible, and there are almost no panels without words.

>>279735475
CHADgon CHAD kino

>>279741766
>>279742881
People don't want to admit it but the blackout crippled the site on top of its already dying userbase, which has been at its worst in decades and is showing no signs of revitalization. Anons can talk about newfags however much they want but all anyone's really doing is leaving this place

>>279756120
>>279755683
That's way more specific and unrelated to the subject, they obviously meant empty space, which is sometimes called negative space. No need to be pedantic. Toriyama DOES have a good sense for parts that should be empty/lighter and not.

>>279748712
Wtf she's an actual loli baba.

>>279758360
>they obviously meant empty space
"They" should learn proper English then.

>>279756157
I wouldn't say Toriyama's choreography is simple, it's actually pretty complex when it comes to 3D stuff and positioning, it's just VERY clear

>>279757913
This is shit.

>>279758275
>all anyone's really doing is leaving this place
Can you blame them? There is zero reason to stay here.

>>279758400
You're the one calling me a samefag? Lol. I just got there. You're also pedantic and dodging the point so I'm not surprised.

>>279757913
>close-up on guy's face
>closeup on another guy's face (he's laughing)
>close-up on another guy's face (doodles of milky way near it)
>close up of reaction faces

I fucking kneel. This is a masterpiece.

>>279757685
HxH has some good pages, not all though. And the dialogues are certainly an issue.

I'd say Togashi is competent enough when he feels like trying. Still not Toriyama though, but hey, who is?

>>279758525
>Togashi is Master Roshi

>>279751241
based sakurako

>>279758525
>but hey, who is?
Toriyama's art is better, but if it's only paneling then I think ONE might actually be superior.

>>279758655
I might not go that far but ONE really is one of the greats at least in that regard. Goes to show that passion and ideas can get you a long way

>>279758655
Or around the same level at least. But IDK, I'm not the best judge.

>>279758498
hol up, do newfags really not know about b/a/stard

>>279746080
sounds like he had good taste

>>279758967
Yes.
It's slop. Shit. Unpolished garbage.

>>279751601
He took over and ruined a Kenji Tsuruta thread a few days ago by derailing it into meta nonsense. He openly admitted he thought the mangaka was shit and was just there to ramble incoherently about the state of the board.

>>279758967
It looks nice, not much more to say. Nice standards man. Lol

>>279759029
Ain't no one gunna feel sorry for you after coming into a dragon ball thread homie

>>279759029
What drives a man to do this

>>279759053
Uh oh, looks like Hagiwara is drawing outside the panels here. Might be a bit too hard for dragon ball fans to follow!

>>279759289
amateurish slop.

This is literally unreadable. Why aren't the panels in a basic S pattern? I'm so confused!

>>279759419
Looks like complete ass.

>>279759289
Am I supposed to be impressed or something? You choose really poorly.

>>279759194
I'm not even a DBfag nor am I OP.
Look, I shit on them all the time but the *fans* are what I try to drive away. I respect Toriyama for his technical skill, from what little I've seen.
>>279759249
A craving for attention and authority, the urge to announce your presence everywhere you go, a complete disregard for manners, etc.

Why didn't they teleport around and punch each other for 16 volumes straight here? Why aren't the backgrounds empty?

>>279759442
Didn't even see this >>279759419

Man it's not looking good for Onimaifag. Might as well open a ko-fi so we can buy him glasses or something.

>>279759462
This is basically vomit on paper.

>>279756527
>Once you have outgrown slapstick you have outgrown dragonball
More like anime in general.

>>279759462
Is he just a Mangadexfag who found his way on /a/ by mistake or something?

I don't think this is the proper way to draw a Kamehameha!

>>279759531
Absolute slop.

>>279759506
You know /a/ translated bastard right? This is a hood classic.

>>279759558
Don't have anything against the manga, I just don't think it looks very good (not bad either but kinda bland honestly).
The troon does behave like a Mangadexfag though. He strikes me as the type that would praise Murata and shit on ONE using his art, completely ignoring the many points where Murata loses horribly to ONE.

>>279759667
If you didn't have brain damage you'd see how Hagiwara's dynamic paneling influenced Togashi, as well as many other mangaka, and his usage of narrow and borderless panels as well as highly advanced page composition. And also his habit of leaving pages unfinished and instead filling them with words and sound effects has also become a Togashi classic. But you don't know about that.

>>279759728
your shit is slop.

>>279759667
>Mangadexfag
Accusing someone from being from an outside site is a complement nowadays, hate to break it to you. Nothing special about posting on /a/ when it's full of trash and underage shonenspics now.

>tranny meltdown again pretending to be an oldfag
Lmao I like Bastard, but nobody reads this shit for the fight scenes, they're basically the equivalent of kengan with people running around yelling metal attack names, which is the entire point of bastard, bastard even came out after dragonball lmao
Literal zoomer tier brainlet drooling his brains out over aura farming and doesn't know a thing about fight scene choreography

>>279759728
>his usage of narrow and borderless panels
This shit is pretty fucking standard man. I could go to an OPT thread and fine dozens of pages playing with borderless panels and other tricks in much more intricate ways.

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just not impressed by it, not one bit. It's okay. Good to see that it influenced Togashi I guess...?

>>279759781
>complement
Of course you're ESL.

>>279759794
>This shit is pretty fucking standard man
Not in Dragon Ball.

>>279759788
Kengan used to have solid fight scenes.
Other than that, you pretty much nailed down the guy.

>>279759835
YWNBAW.

>>279759853
You just lost again.

>>279759835
And you're an absolute retard for thinking Dragon Ball needs it. It uses it sometimes, but more often not because that's not what it sets out to do.

And what does an entry level Monogatari have to do with this?

>>279755231
>You're the one who doesn't know what needs to be upheld because you have such a superficial and singularly retarded view of manga
I'm not OP. It's just obvious some of you are fighting OP on principle and not because you have a real argument. Pretty much everything in this thread is surface level normalfag material you can easily find. Normalfags trying to gatekeep normalfags just because they like Dragon Ball. It's embarrassing.

>>279759881
>And you're an absolute retard for thinking Dragon Ball needs it
It does, but Toriyama can't do it. Because his style is basic and antiquated. Manga has greatly improved over time.

>>279759876
>does nothing but have a tranny meltdown for the entire thread
>y-you lost!

>>279759910
Motivations don't affect the truth. You're arguing from a mental midget level. If the argument is sound, and the examples are educated, then you are wrong. Personal squabbles do not matter.

>>279759913
Trannies say the dumbest shit.

At this point I feel dumb for giving it even 1 (You). I just always assume the person I'm speaking with isn't subhuman, but you never know on the Internet I guess.

>>279759940
I mean, if it posts Onimai, it's guaranteed to be a subhuman waste undeserving of the oxygen it steals.

>>279759940
You will always be a dumb normalfag with uneducated reddit opinions.

>>279759971
I don't know, I have no strong opinion on Onimai, but the avatarfagging was definitely a tell.
Anonymous posting sure has its drawbacks sometimes. Retards can go on and on without restraints as long as they lack any sense of shame and are unhinged enough, peak example ITT.

I don't feel bad for posting some nice examples of Toriyama gold at least.

>>279751893
Reminder for the tranny

This has got to be the most embarassing thread /dbs/ has ever had. I don't think they've ever looked quite this dumb.

>>279760043
>troon comes in here saying a bunch of objectively incorrect and retarded shit
>gets bullied and laughed at
>h-heh what an embarrassing thread for /dbs/
This isn't even a /dbs/ thread.

>>279760037
How fitting that's there's a sharty buzzword right underneath it. And right above it.

Please reconsider what you're doing from a human perspective, would your parents approve of it?

I implore you to touch grass

>>279760091
Yeah posting about dragon ball 24/7 definitely isn't mentally healthy.

okay but you DO understand that dragon ball is low quality garbage right?

>>279759935
>Motivations don't affect the truth.
Is that why one of you started arguing Dragon Ball fans are brown?
The thread is silly because you are all ultimately posting normalfag shit to shit on other normalfag shit, just the /a/lgorithm told you that normalfag shit is approved and Dragon Ball isn't.

>>279759029
I hope this thread has made you realize you've aligned yourself with shartyjak cobsin posters. Might want to have a long think about the stupid shit you're doing and encouraging.

>>279760106
Enjoying a nice discussion about Toriyama's art and battle choreography is healthy and somewhat interesting and constructive.
Sperging out and FIGHTING THE EVIL /dbs/ERS is fucking retarded. You're a disgrace.

>>279760155
>literally unintelligible schizo troon babble

Dragon Ball is here to stay, btw. Dragon board.

>>279760119
We've had a very lengthy argument explaining the reasons dragon ball is objectively shit already and it looks like you lost it and have to live with that forever now. You will never get a second chance.

>>279760070
>needs to resort to muh boogeyman demon in the walls
I accept your concession

>>279760183
No, you sperged out like the troon you are and said a bunch of retarded shit.

>>279760218
You don't even know what negative space is and you wrote some retarded book full of schizo dribble about why you think your shit smells good lmao

>>279760243
Who do you even think you're talking to you weird tranny?

>>279760243
Holy shit it really is THAT ONE GUY for the entire thread, samefagging all the way through. Get some help man

>>279760257
Every single thing you've said in defense of dragon ball has been misinformed and wrong, and it has objectively been proven to be 100% wrong. No changing that. Gotta live with it. Remember that while you spend the next 10 hours bumping /dbs/. You devoted your life to this.

>>279760243
>completely losing it and has no idea who's it talking to anymore
Mind status schizo?

>>279760296
Are you retarded? Do you think it's just you and one other person in the thread?

>>279760297
Hoe many more replies until you can cope with your abject failure? Do you feel better yet?

>>279760323
Well, he's half right lol.

I have never seen /dbs/ this asshurt. This is really something.

>>279760370
>get made fun of for literally the entire thread
>h-hehe they're so butthurt

This could have been a perfectly normal thread but this nutcase kept bitching about metashit for no reason at all.

>>279760370
Somebody should have stuck the onimai poster in their general ages ago. They'd be long gone.

>>279760414
Trannies are unhinged.

>>279760385
Stop giving it (You)s man it enables its retardation and causes you to breath the same air

>>279760414
Kinda annoying that the normal discussion got drowned in the insane troon throwing his shit at the walls, but hey that's how things go

>>279760429
Are you hyperventilating right now?

anyone who likes onimai is a tranny

41%

I miss Matoi Risu's funnies

How can an entire dragon ball general not beat a single onimai poster?

Replying means baited btw

You will never be a real woman btw.

Why do people think Goku is a bad dad when the Cell arc climax is literally about him being such a great inspiration and support to his son?

>>279760610
I wish goku was my dad. I don't have a dad, which is why I discuss dragon ball on /dbs/ all day.

>>279760650
That's harsh! You should join your local gym or clubs anon, you'll find better support there.

I lost my dilator...

Impressive. Very nice. Let's see the list of best-selling manga.

>>279758700
>>279758717
>>279758655
You guys are crazy. ONE is overrated as shit.

>>279760516
I enjoyed the part where they started crying for a mod.

>>279760919
Of course it does, it's a trantran.

>>279760919
Sounds familiar.