Final

Waiting room for the translation

>>280883415 (OP)
why is zelda's sword so small

>>280883479
he has no enemies

He fucking won
Nobody has ever won harder than him, he is THE winner.

>>280884498
I think American Bejita may have won too
Or Canute

>>280883415 (OP)
Finally this garbage is over. It's been gradually getting more and more awful for the last, what 80 chapters?

>>280884498
Is it possible that they were the ones who established the outpost at L'anse aux Meadows?

Kill Lnu. Shoot Lnu with arrows. Contaminate Lnu food with filthy Euro diseases. Runover tiny cuck Lnu canoes with longships. Behead Lnu with a dane axe. Cut open Lnu child with a seax. Chop Lnu limbs off with a sword. Blood eagle Lnu. Sacrific Lnu to Odin. Cut down injun forest. Hunt Lnu wildlife. Take over Lnu land and call it Daneland. Get Lnus addicted to alcohol. Give Lnu clothes with smallpox. Breed Lnu into half-danes. Call Lnu "Skraelinga" (weaklings). Make filthy skraeling tribes kill each other and laugh at them. Write history books calling skraelings a failed race. Breed skraelinga into extinction. Turn skraelinga ancestral land into farms.

Don't be like Einar /a/
go outside and get a real girl

>>280884498
now that's my guy "Thorfinn"

I haven't read since they reached america

Well, was HOX right about Vinland saga all a long? was it a disappointment?

>>280884498
The art became too "AI" for my taste.

>>280886463
of course, it is, that why he dropped it when author skip Greek.

>>280886463
Who's HOX?

>>280883479
>zelda

>>280884498
Anywhere they go in America during that time period they'd either be killed or the land would be too marginal for any population to live on so it'd be empty.
They should have gone back to Constantinople and blended in. A mixed race marriage in the biggest cosmopolitan metropolis in Europe wouldn't be that big of a deal even c 1000 AD.

>>280886773
Newfag

He fucking won. He got every single thing he wanted, and then he got to laugh at Thorfinn from the grave.

>>280887051
And he didn't need hair to do it.

>>280884498
Bug eyes-bros, WE WON

>>280883415 (OP)
Final as in done? Last chapter?

>>280884498
But...How will they survive?

Cant someone post the raws already?

>>280887232
Don't worry, we'll get the emergency epilogue retcon when Yukimura realizes everyone is still laughing at him, and it won't fix anything.

>>280885672
Did Einar die a virgin?

I dunno if this is final chapter but w/e

2ch vinland thread

https://may.2chan.net/b/res/1338107376.htm

>>280887350
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1d4byzCE93

>>280887938
Unless he had sex with Romaioi hookers in Miklagard, then yeah, he died a virgin.

>>280888418
what a dogshit final.

>>280883415 (OP)
Good. Now I can finally mark it as a 8/10 (for the war parts and the nice arts) and forget about it.
Another story ruined by JP authors

>>280887938
>>280888494
Didn't he have a wife who died during farmland arc?

We need a storytime for it now that finished

>>280887529
>epilogue retcon
You are really dumb if you think THAT was a retcon

>>280884498
There was only one winner in the manga, and it's not the bug eyed hermit

>Series is confirmed to have no afterlife
>But you should heckin stop fighting anyway because its wrong
What a stupid ass series.

>>280890268
There is no Valhalla. Injun religion is real, and probably has a real afterlife.

>>280890343
Proof?

>>280890352
but it was not shown that they can see the future? that's some serious magic right there

So what did all those people die for?

>>280890390
forgot to mention that I'm not that anon

>>280890390
I know the nuke scene and thats it. Knowing how the authors atheist he prob still doesnt have a canon afterlife even with that scene.

>>280888219
damn really make you think

If it ends with the establishment of the Minnesota Vikings I think I'll pee a little

>>280883611
Hah!
Good one.

Thorfinn should take his pacifism one step further and kill himself

>>280890268

>>280890268
>you need an afterlife or otherwise you just fight to the death while you're alive randomly
What causes this kind of brainlet?

>>280886825
Could have even gone over to black sea because the slavs in the Kiev rus area basically accepted the vikings as their ruling class so he could have had a cute slav gf too

>>280886773
he used to translate the manga for us right when it came out. he also translated other some relatively obscure series. wise man, he dropped it the moment he saw it was leading to disappointment, aka when Constantinople was skipped.

>>280884498
so THAT is why there are brown nords nowadays

>>280890950
capitalism cannot comprehend trying to be a good person for any reason other than expecting a reward

he should have shown up one last time

>>280888219
The most upvoted posts
>Yeah, the time when they were at war with Askeladd and his crew was definitely the most interesting part!

>My dissatisfaction with the Vinland arc ultimately came down to the fact that I couldn't say Thorfinn did everything he could to protect the settlement and his comrades while maintaining his commitment to non-violence. Weapons and fortifications were actually necessary, but all we got was naive, idealistic peace rhetoric. Tragedy evokes empathy because it's about losing to fate despite doing everything humanly possible - but in this case, Einar's death is a comedy.
And a distant third:
>>In the end, did everyone understand what the author wanted to say?
>I CAN'T WRAP IT UP!!
Pic related. It's a meme making fun of Togashi for never finishing HxH.

>>280891657
accurate criticisms

>>280890950
You joke, but the concept of "Hell" is the only thing that stops a lot of people from going ballistic.

>>280883415 (OP)
a shame the entirety of Greece was skipped, but considering the whole Vinland arc and how lenghty it would be, i will accept it.

and yeah, Thorfinn should have filtered who's not going by not bringing Ivar and Styrk, but he certainly should have had some way of defense prior to porting in case the natives were complete psychos and he couldn't trade/co-exist with them, still, i see all the tragedy of recent chapters as more of a consequence for Thorfinn himself of what idealism without some grounded precautions can cause.

As a reader i can see the protagonist has learned from it and next time it will be better,thats his story after all.
It doesn't le ruin the series by any means like AOT did to some extent but it will cause division for some less tolerant(or deluded) readers unfortunately.

>>280883415 (OP)
>series older then 90% of /a/
damn...

>>280883415 (OP)
There's an English one up now, if you're a Japaneselet

BUG EYES WON

does it get any better? I stopped watching after I saw Thorfinn being a cuck bitch boy and learned later he has a no kill rule which seems retarded in the viking era so it killed my vibe

>>280893442
Thorfinn remains a pacifist till the end. In the last chapter he tells this Native American guy to throw his sword away and he just laughs at him.

We better see an epilogue. Not seeing Thorkel, Canute, Yvla and Helga is a mistake.

>>280887288
They have no enemies.
>b-but what do they eat
Touch grass, incel. They have NO ENEMIES.

What is the point of thorkel daughter?

>>280893543
To help Yukimura let the audience know that the manga ended 50 chapters before and that there's no point in reading any further because it won't get any better.

>>280893543
to make incels like >>280893557
seethe

>>280893543
Trans rights are human rights. Of couse 10th century vikings shared 21st century progressive ideals.

>>280883415 (OP)
Why did he skip last month's chapter for this

Strong point of the final chapter:

Bug Eyes character arc concluded in a phenomenal way
Thorfinn meeting his son
Pulmuk planting the seeds

About the rest, Yukimura decided to not create a world of peace in Vinland, but planting the seeds for it. Thorfinn befriending Pulmuk and the shaman, the Fridr stone, the seeds he gave to Pulmuk, Bug Eyes and Niskawaji marriage. The rest is entrusted to the humanity, thus the 1000 year voyage.
I get it, but i would have preferred something more traditional, like Naruto. As long there is Naruto, the world is in peace (no, I don't count Boruto). For all what will come after Naruto we don't care, the manga already ended. Yukimura could have done the same thing. 40/50 years of peace in Vinland thanks to Thorfinn. After that, we just trust in humanity.
Oh, and Gao'qi really got away with everything, except the grim prophecy Thorfinn makes to him at the end.

If there will be additional pages in the volume, I think we'll have a double color spread at the beginning of the final chapter and some pages about the other character in Europe (Thorkell, Canute, Garm etc...). Also, I'd like a couple scenes where maybe there are some lnu already conspiring behind Gao'qi 's back to kill him and take his sword.

>>280893682
It seems like Yukimura wanted to follow history somewhat, so Thorfinn's settlement was always doomed to fail

>>280893756
Yeah, in the end he followed the true history, but for a while I thought Yukimura could have taken a narrative license changing the history, after all Pulmuk says to the shaman that his vision didn't necessarily had to realize and, as Niskawaji said, the future he saw could have been changed.

>>280893861

Yes, but you have to think like an endless humanity's voyage. Thorfinn was just a piece of the great mosaic. Yes, all of Puowin's prophecy came true (the indians outnumbered by the white man, the trees taken down, guns, nuclear bombs) but the humanity is STILL making the endless voyage to change eventually for the better. It's all bout hope

>as Hox dropped the series due to being busy in real life
no he dropped the series due to the dogshit baltic sea war arc and the timeskip over constantinople lmao

For me the Yukimura in the prologue and Farmland Saga cannot even be compared to the Yukimura who comes after, as a writer. I rate the first two arcs so highly, and 'End of the Prologue' had so much promise! Here it really seemed like we were going to get an epic (in the non-reddit sense of the word) Viking manga. Imagine all that... and it's just the prologue!

I think Farmland Saga carried the torch just fine. It showed a different side of Viking life and developed the characterisation and motivation of Thorfinn and Cnut. But then I think VS went totally off the rails. The baltic sea war arc was embarrassingly bad, with numerous moralistic chapters that were just bad versions of what we'd already had in the manga, random comedy, the introduction of pointless new characters (remember the giant bear dude?) and strange weeb-isms (Thorfinn mocking the other Nords for being tall and wearing armor). I think the actual Vinland arc was a little better but honestly it was still really unsatisfying: clumsy, again repeating points that were made better in earlier chapters of the manga, very poorly conveyed characters like the child genius with 21st century morals and the cartoonishly sinister natives.

I think the natural progression after the farmland arc would have been to show travel to greece and trading in Constantinople. You could have developed Thorfinn's pacifism and knowledge of Christianity and shown the kind of flaws that can arise even in a much more orderly and peace-keeping culture than the Viking one. You could have shown Thorfinn learning to make deals and negotiate. It would have fit with showing the major aspects of Viking society: warriors, farmers, merchants and then explorers in the final arc in Vinland. But as it is Vinland Saga is basically a manga of a good first half and bad second half for me.

>>280886463
It's fucking funny the current translators pretend he was just too busy to keep doing it.

>>280884594
true. But there was no way to find a satisfying conclusion with the real sources around thorfinn.

>>280884605
yes, but the vikings probably went further south after building that settlement. Their main settlement was probably in New Brunswick or Maine.

Nobody wants to dump the chapter?

>>280894725
Fuck it, final chapter dump.

>>280894787
ENTER OUR HERO

>>280894787
No matter how big your sword is, you're not getting your hairline back.

>>280894799
>Thorfinn's and Bug Eyes faces
I can't fucking take this Manga anymore
Fucking hell

>>280894811
This advanced shit is basically Excalibur or a lightsaber to them, the wielder of the steel can unify the land because no one else has steel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHfE682mm3c

Page 14 is here >>280893371

>>280894880
She'll be fine if kung fu viking and crossbow genius viking have her back

>>280894871
How long could a sword like that last without regular maintenance anyway?
I doubt those savages know about rusting and there's no way they could sharpen it properly

>>280894889
How the fuck are you supposed to contact each other?

>>280894897
Don't you just need oil and a wet rock

>>280894911
Maybe it's sarcasm instead of a final goodbye

>>280894944
Nants ingonyama bagithi baba
Sithi uhm ingonyama
Ingonyama

The end.

>>280894991
Thanks Anon for dumping it
What a meaningless manga

>>280894991
>can now make white man's firewater
oh you drunkard you

Wouldn't Thorfinn owe weregild to each of the families that lost members
He'd be buried in blood feuds for the rest of his life

>>280894991

7.5/10 ending

9/10 manga

Ending felt underwhelming for me. Like they slapped THE END don't be mean to each other in future (hopefully).
Any manga recommendations anons?

>>280894924
you need exactly the right kind of rock(s) finished with the correct surfaces, used in the correct sequence, technique, and extent. the natives, being a literal (through pre-literate, lmao) stone-age non-civilization culture of tribes, probably has material science that caps out at identifying chert and reliably making sharp edges due to its reliable conchoidal fracture.

the sword will also be mr. tribal monkey's first killing tool that actually matters if you clean and oil it promptly because the acids in gore will wreck the material if not dealt with. a big question is if the natives even have any source of oils whatsoever, actually.

Yukimura stopped giving a fuck years ago
This ending was extremely disappointing, but not a surprise.
He's not the same man who started this series 17 years ago. The art and narrative became more increasingly generic and uninteresting.
The final Vinland Arc was easily the absolute worst.
Gg

That's it?

Not even a bit of introspection from Thorfinn commenting on his life's journey and everything he experienced?

Yukimura really must be that tired of Vinland Saga. Then again, he has no knowledge or appreciation of actual history to fuel him further unlike other history manga.

he should've portrayed the trade situation with the ox breaking out of the cage and triggering a war.

>>280894880
>>280894889
There's just no way these two will survive on their own, this is a death sentence

>>280894944
Shitty as it all is, I'm still happy to see this

>>280895220
its not impossible in theory but bugeyes doesnt strike me as a hunter so they will starve to death

>>280895128
Sure. Read Golden Kamuy.

>>280895128
Divci Valka is good.

>>280894991
>No Hild epilogue impregnation arc.
RUINED

>>280894811
cuckfinn loses one last time

>>280894991
>no Canute, Thorkell, or Ylva

wasted ending

>>280895275
Her arc ended here

>>280886825
She would die of a disease pretty quick.

>>280895362
Her arc should've ended with them having raw animalistic sex on the grass right after this page.

>>280895128
There’ll probably be some extra pages in the volume release.

How Thorfinn would deal with bullying?

>>280895699
I have no bullies.

>>280895127
>9/10 manga
how

I would give it a 6/10

LOL

LMAO

AHSHASHHSHASHSAHSAHSAHASHSHAHASHSHAHSHAAHSHSAHSAHHAHSAHAH

>>280895749
OUR HERO

I started reading this manga in fucking highschool ten years ago and this is the end of it. Sad.
And i didn't even dislike farmland saga, it's just that the end feels so incomplete and meaningless.

>>280894760
>too bad we didn't get along, mate. No biggie about the deads, that was my bad lol. Well, bye-bye, see you buddy, 行ってきます〜

Not a single introspection, no consequences for this Thorfinn asshole, nothing, happy ending.
This manga died after the farm arc.

>>280895848
All you wanted was in chapter 119

>>280895749
And in time, they would call him Bald Eagle

Why are manga authors so bad at ending there series? I literally felt more from watching the fantastic four movie than this

>>280883415 (OP)
Thorfinn not becoming a christian after constantinople is such a bullshit come to think of it, hell, him falling for some radical branch of christianity would explain so much about his fanatical idealism and would help making it more nuanced and open for discussion rather than just telling the reader
>you might not like it but this is what peak way of life looks like

>ending is about creating instead of destroying
>can’t even bothered to put Canute in the ending
>generic art and scenes with no soul

>>280895136
Seals?

>>280896132
It's just the nature of manga production.

>>280895749
BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL

The Japanese due to WW2 trauma are unable to give good endings. DBZ was the last. Now it’s just lazy soulless trash

>>280896132
Because mangaka have to make shit up for serializaitions and can't take their time to plan ahead the way a novelist can

>>280896194
Huh, makes sense, say Thorfinn meets a hermit monk committed to total nonviolence with his own little following under the imperial orthodox clergy's nose
Thorfinn first befriends some civilian traders who are part of the group
He gets the additional face scar when the imperial troops shut down the sect and the leader is burned for heresy

Thorfinn is baptized naked along with men, women and children (but mostly women) alike in a private pool or river, the hermit is also naked

>>280894799
Thorfinn is fucking pathetic man

>>280896392
Have Gudrid be baptized naked alongside him too

>>280896312
Fire Force had a good ending. KnY too.

>>280894811
>hahahaha as they sail away
Brutal

>>280896194
Put thy sword back in its place for all who take up the sword shall die by the sword

Mitte gladium tuum in vaginam

>>280894991
Shit ending but it was to be expected after they skipped Greece and the troon was introduced for no fucking reason

>>280894991
Was there actually evidence of natives growing wheat on their own after contact with the nords? Or does this guy's hard work go to waste as the natives don't actually adopt wheat?

>>280894928
>To what end?
Apparently none since he just ended up going back

>>280896515
Lmao no

>>280896312
>The Japanese due to WW2 trauma are unable to give good endings.
>says DBZ had a good ending

>>280896807
Natives in north america didn't practice farming in the same way we do, they had such abundance of wildlife at their disposal they simply didn't have a need, some early sailors describe them practice forestry but sadly most of those tribes died from diseases
Fun fact: syphilis apparently is the only disease to travel from americas back to europe

>>280895749
>Gets bootyblasted by bongs and frogs
I don't know guys, I think Thorfinn might have been vindicated here

Lmao chuds are going mad at Niska and Bug eyes becoming a couple
Based Yukimura

>>280896984
That's the only part nobody has any issues with you retarded nigget monkey

>>280896981
I think Indian vegeta was long dead by that time anon. Beside, nothing those guy could have done would have really changed the result.

>>280896984
Calling Shaman Umar

>>280890343
I think they "debunked" Christianity too, didn't they? The author really tipped his fedora a lot.

So, Gao'qi is now the king of the island because he has a sword... in a land where are all long distance fighters with bows and arrows

>>280897018
Did he? I remeber there was that one drunkard priest in canute's group who seemed like he was going to become relevant later but he never did

>>280897007
Reddit and twitter trannies are going mald

>>280894799
>>280894811
>Japanese author writes that Indians got genocided because they couldn't let go of violence
Uh

>>280896194
Christianity was already addressed in the first arc with the priest Willibald, there was no need for other christian elements

>>280897008
>I think Indian vegeta was long dead by that time anon
Nah i believe in him. He survived until the 18th century somehow

>>280897054

>>280896515
Kenshin too, and Spirit Circle

>>280894991
Wait, you can write "fin" in english to say "end" ?
I though that was only french

I'll go ahead and start forgetting this manga now.

>>280896899
another irony: potato was brought back from the new world to Europe. Without it, there wouldn't have been the Irish Drochshaol - which devastated their population so much that it still hasn't recovered almost 200 years later

>>280894991
Not gonna lie...I'm kind of upset by this ending. I enjoyed it, but man...I think it should've been longer.

>>280897258
Another volume would've served it well, just an extended epilogue.

>>280895749
>his very existence is the antithesis of everything current Thorfinn represent
>got away with everything and even rose in rank by backstabbing his (former) leader and gained shiny toys for him and his men
I don't get what Yukimura wanted to do with him, it outright contradict his message and show the readers that his ways are the best ones.

>>280897278
yup. It also pisses me off that we didn't a Constantinople arc.

This is just a magazine finale, nothing remarkable. Again, extended epilogue is for the volume

>>280894991
FarmGODS won

>when they arrive back everyone is happy and cheering and meeting their returning men
WHAT ABOUT THOSE THORFINN GOT KILLED HUH? WHERE ARE THE ANGRY ONES?!

what a shit series, it fell off so hard when it began so great
it's worse to ruin a great thing than to make a shit thing

>>280897108
I'm beginning to believe that 1 Corinthians 13 is the only verse Japanese know.

>>280894901
Amazing plan

>>280895749
He could have at least shown this guy getting what he deserve by being killed by someone for the sword or something instead of edging us with him even in the last chapter.

>>280894991
This sure was a weird story. I mean, I know what Yukimura tried to convey with these last chapters, but I think using the old Icelandic Sagas was not the most proper setting to do it.
He might as well should have used the Vedas, which at least some of them have certain themes related to "violence vs pacifism" and topics like that.

>>280891627
it'd should've ended with him and Vegeta high fiving while pointing and laughing at pathetic fag Thorfinn curled up on the ground, crying over all the people he got killed with his faggotry

>>280887051
what a great character, and what a great arc
the real MC of the series

>>280891750
You forgot to put Thorfinn's head on Patrick on the bottom left pannel, you fucking dumbass

Another "it didn't end the way I wanted so it's bad" thread, I see.

>>280897985
Non-argument.

>>280897985
no, it's bad because it's bad

>>280897497
Farming won in the end, violent niggers lost.

>>280898059
Vegeta will be taking some of that wheat :^)

>>280896839
lmao yes, fucking contrarian retard

I wish Thorfinn had killed Hild

>>280898104
I wish Thorfinn fucked Hild.

>>280894955
What a cute baby too bad it will one day die and cease to exist and its whole life will be utterly pointless and meaningless.

>>280898075
Vegeta lost to Goku the farmer :^)

Wait, it ended. Just like that?

>>280898116
he could've done both, in any order
instead we got "Just Stop Sword, faggot protester sitting in the middle of a highway to protest climate change" Thorfinn until the end

>>280898145
Yukimura needs to give female mangaka a chance to speak.

>>280897985
More like it was a non ending ending because the author wrote himself into a corner and just left it open.

>>280895362
Lost any hope the ending would be anything more than formulaic when they didn't fuck there.

>>280894811
My fuarking Hero

>Vinland shit ending
>Vagabond shit unfinished drawing ending
>Berserk died with the author ending
Is nippon manga authors cursed, to never give a satisfying conclusion to their stories?

Alright /a/ how would you have rewritten Vinland Saga after the farm arc

>>280896899
they did a lot of forestry though, the perfect forests the New England settlers found were because the natives had already terraformed the land

>>280898343
Have Thorfinn fuck the Indian women and Hild the end.

>>280898343
Where the natives and vikings team up and kill all niggers in africa.

>>280894991
I knew not to expect anything good but yet I'm still underwhelmed.

>>280898175
>An ending needs to explain and resolve everything otherwise it's bad
Grow up, people

>>280898343
Don't skip the Byzantium Arc.

>>280898343
They actually go to Byzantium to scam people with their narwhal horns, there is no Garm or weird giant retard bear guy. Also no Cordelia.

I really enjoyed Askelad's anime produced by WIT studio.

>>280898379
When an "ending" could've been implemented a bunch of volumes ago and nothing would've changed then it's not really a good ending.

>>280898571
How? Legit question.

>>280896899
Depends, there's definitely regions and time periods where they were either more or less serious about the whole corn-beans-squash trinity. In general, the central and south Americans had things more figured out than the ones up north.

>>280894991
Can't say I'm too surprised to be honest, even before the announcement of the imminent ending it felt like he was speedrunning towards it
I definitely think he just lost the spark somewhere along the way

>>280894991
the unseasoned oatmeal equivalent of an ending. The most bland, uninteresting shit that resolves basically nothing and ends so quickly it's like you didn't even read anything. I can't even be mad or say that it was a bad ending, because it wasn't bad. It doesn't even have the privilege of being impactful enough to elicit any kind of negative reaction.
This ending was like when you're jerking off and you start cumming too soon, so you just try to jork it enough to get a proper finish, but all that happens is you end up doing a little half-cum which gives you none of the satisfaction of a full orgasm but puts you in the refractory period anyway.

>>280894991

>>280898363
I wonder how much of it is just the Europeans arriving at the perfect time. The natives pretty regularly fucked themselves over and collapsed their larger civilizations in part via deforestation and overhunting. The Europeans seemingly arrived right between cycles of building and collapse, when the land was just recovering to a good state but before the natives got their act together again. Or maybe the spread of European diseases struck just in time to prevent the natives from coalescing again.

>>280898789
He absolutely speedran the ending.

Ivar's sword, whatever happened there...

I expect an epilogue, there is no way it ends like that.

>>280899349
bugeyes and his squaw washed up on some rock and dead from starvation and dehydration
huh, guess they should have made plans

>>280899141
don't forget the Mississippian Culture got wiped out because of European diseases

>>280891013
Hox actually dropped by in yesterday’s Vinland thread to also talk about how disappointing the ending was. >>280876073

Unfortunately that thread got derailed by a few faggots arguing about MHA.

>>280894991
Lol, lmao even

>>280899388
>He would later die of a cold
Kino

>>280898996
FUCK YOU

I think this has been mostly forgotten at this point but something that never really sat right with me was how the manga 99% of the time avoided straying too deep into the supernatural (save for minor quips like Ymir which was played as a gag anyway) and most visions, illusions etc. were usually portrayed as folklore and superstition or the characters' psyche being severely impacted
...Except when one of the Lnu shamans smokes some crack in a tent and has a real vision of 1000 years into the real future and it became an actual plot point

>>280899141
>I wonder how much of it is just the Europeans arriving at the perfect time.
For the Spaniards, it really was perfect timing. They got lucky the Incas were in the middle of a civil war that Pizarro managed to exploit to his benefit. And they were lucky Cortes was at the right moment when the Aztecs were hated the most and they could unite the rest of the tribes against them.

>>280899823
Almost like they arrived exactly when God intended...

>>280894991
This is how I feel about this ending, I honestly loathed Yukimura afterward.

>>280899710
yeah the nuke was absurd

all I wanted was a guy stabbing people with daggers

>>280899710
Nah, I didn't forget, especially when you have an entire chapter dedicated to how Valhalla and Valkyries don't exist and religions are tools to make people fight.
Then the vision drop, making that chapter obsolete since the One True God exist and it's the Lnu one.

>>280894991
Where the fuck is my boy Canute?

it's sad that the anime doesn't have anything of interest left to adapt
they'd never do that, but it'd certainly be nice if they went with an alternate story instead

>>280900089
Ruling England, I guess

>>280900108
The Byzantine arc would be perfect for that.

Canute? WON
Indian Vegeta? WON
Pacifism? LOST

>>280900169
moral of the story? pacifism is for losers

>>280894991
So uhh what about Canute? Thorkell?

>>280894991
"Meh" is all that comes to mind.

>>280896392
I'm glad my boy Siggy got a good ending, he went through a lot.

>>280899710

The war doesn't break because of Puowin's vision, after all the indians themselves, especially Pulmuk and the chief, doesn't care about it. The war breaks mainly because of the plague, which the indians thought it was a punishment by deities for befriending the north, and for people like Eyvar and Gao'qi who love war and power.
And, most of all, it's not absolutely for Thorfinn's fault

>>280884594
ever since thorfinns wedding it was downhill introducing a tranny who got no arc and had no reason to be there. actually just there to make american retards happy seeing le LGBT troon. shame how far it fell. i hope season 3 adapts 100-167 and ends there when prepping to go to vinland so i can tell newfags to watch those 3 seasons and to stop there.

>>280897348
Some are born intelligent enough to achieve their goals, others are just Thorfinn destined to lose everything to someone superior.

>travels Europe
>has a vision of his father
>"son, pacifism is actually really gay now that I've had time to reconsider, you are pretty good with those daggers, make me proud"
there, I saved the series

>>280884498
Cute Injun wife.

>>280895127
the whole final arc is basically pointless and u still give it a 9. be realistic, the final arc is like 1/4th of the whole story and it's maybe a 3/10 at best when u consider everything. in total i don't think the whole story can get more than a 7/10 and that's being generous.

>>280900492
Actually, his father was also a pacifist but he at least knew that sometimes, fighting can't be avoided.

>>280894991
>WAIT! THORFFIN DIDN'T BECOME VIKING NUMBER 1??? TRASH MANGA!!!

>>280898439
>>280898437
That would've only been an extra episode but not the end of it

>>280896984
is this "angry chuds" in the room with us right now anon?

>>280892053
>As a reader i can see the protagonist has learned from it
what did Thorfinn learn, exactly? the manga says nothing on the subject
the most interesting part of his pacifist dilemma was that Thors went down the same path but still kept his sword
so is violence necessary, or not?
I thought Thorfinn will reach some kind of resolution, but nope, he just fucks off and that's it

>>280900492
>has a vision of his father
sometimes i wonder how the series would go if thorfinn were to genuinely view askeladd as a father figure (and thus in the ebin inspirational dead father montage we'd see askeladd's ideals instead of thors)

>>280900360
He does have his own mini arc actually, he understand that sometimes, one has to man up and fight, which is the reason why Thorfinn's wife and child are still alive and why he participated in the war, which is the very thing Thors tried to teach his son...
Unironically more conclusive than Thorfinn's story who just goes nowhere.

>>280900869
I didn't say it would be the end of it, I just wanted it to happen instead of Garm's battle shounen arc

>>280900873
N-no, but I've already made three falseflag posts on xitter that I am adding to my epic screenshot collage

>>280898379
literal reddit tier bait. enjoy your (you)

3rd and 4th arc are basically a rehash of the first two arcs but with Thorfinn's maturation. In the baltic war we have vikings and war, but with Thorfinn avoiding to kill enemies and straying from the revenge path (sparing Floki) , Vinland is obviously a mirror of farmland, with Thorfinn not having to mature anymore, but to make the other mature instead.
Aside from amazing moments like Hild forgiving Thorfinn, Cordelia protecting Gudrid's child, the foundation of Arnheid village and the culmination of Big eyes character arc, we have Thorfinn influencing people all around him, both north and lnu. Yes, in the end it all falls apart because war, power and fear, but it was all few people's fault (Puowin, Gao'Qi and Eyvar) and Thorfinn life mission is having to deal with those kind of people.
In the end there wasn't permanent peace in Vinland, but there were literally spread the seeds of it. Thorfinn befriends Pulmuk and Puowin, Big Eyes marries Niskawaji, Pulmuk spread the seeds and the Fidr stone was raised again. Thorfinn victims themselves (now seen as normal people and not dreadful skeletons) said it: Thorfinn put the boat in the sea, now you just had to row, the 1000 year voyage has begun. Maybe not Thorfinn,maybe not the next generation, but eventually, trying over and over again, peace will be achieved

>>280900829
Thorfinn himself fights, like against Garm or the indians in the forest. He simply doesn't kill

To all you fags who can't seem to stop complaining about "muh greek arc": what exactly do you wanna see in it? Thorfinn brilliance in conducting a scamming operation selling literal snake oil?

>>280901014
and we needed a whole trans character for that, it couldnt have just been bug-eyes who's been a scared pussy the entire time? it has to be SPECIFICALLY thorkells son ("daughter") who spent 60 chapters with no real arc past "im le shy insecure transperson" who vikangz 1000 years ago all accepted? bravo, thanks for this mini arc and showing me how tolerant vikangz were.

>>280901106
And he couldn't apply what he learned for himself to all the people surrounding him.
Why were Hilde and himself the only people allowed to fight?
Why stop people from bringing weapons?

>>280901148
I agreee that the character was pointless, if not outright insulting, I'm just saying that he does have an arc of sort.

>>280900726
I answered, but I forgot to tag you (my post begins with "3rd and 4th arc...")

Was she a real trans woman or just a big muscular woman with homone problems

>>280901121
Seeing Constantinople would have been kino.

>>280901121
I need you to understand something. Yukimura set up a voyage to Byzantium, a voyage vikings were known to do that would enable wonderful historic adventures. Instead he skipped it and gave us battle shounen villain Garm talking like Kenpachi from Bleach or some shit and Cordelia the tranny, and I'm telling you I don't care for this development.

>>280901121
Nonviolent Adamite Christianity

>>280901228
He was Thorkell's son who got groomed into being a tranny by his mother.

>>280901208
There is an entire chapter when they talk about it in Iceland. They decide to just bring tools to farm and eventually hunting/defending from bears

My main issue with the final arc is that Thorfinn really didnt do ANYTHING. He just let things happen and really an issue I have with Yukimura himself. He acts as if its morally right to just get walked all over rather than stand up for yourself.

>>280901283
I know that but it doesn't answer my question.
You also forget Hilde bringing a rapid-fire crossbow which is way overkill for just hunting, why was she not concerned with the ban on weapons?

>>280901208
There are people who, not matter what you say to them, will still fight and kill without caring about others. Gao Qi and Eyvar are two of them. Chapter 217

Honestly speaking

Thorfinn has no diference from a cult doomsday leader

>>280901121
It would be the perfect chance for a pacifist Thorfinn to come in contact with a fully Christian civilization and maybe reconsider his stance on pacifism. Unlike his younger self, he would have been more receptive towards its message, and he could have seen how different Christians such as monks, ordinary civilians, recent Norse converts actually thought about "meekness" as a virtue in an era rife with violence.

>>280901378
>Gao Qi
Yes. he doesn't even try to hide it.
>>280901378
>Eyvar
Nope, he does come across as being belligerent but was only a chuuni retard who wanted to contribute in his own way.
The author even give him a small scene when he dies where you can see that he actually wanted to chill in a farm in peace.
Thorkell would have been a better example and even he calm down once Canute becomes king.

>>280901069
But did those seeds lead anywhere? If anything, it seems more accurate to say that warring a fuckton is what ended up eventually convincing a lot of human societies to chill a little 1000 years later.

>>280901121
The biggest thing would be the intercultural exchange, how it affects thorfinn's ideals, and how it couldve affected Vinland
>muslims escaping the collapse of the caliphate, slave revolts, turkic invasions
>Greeks and their entire set of problems, both internal and external
>Latin and Italian merchants, priests, and pilgrims
>Normans and Varangians are there so you can have different kinds of vikings
They can all talk about their idea of heaven and ways of peace and maybe it can shift the conclusiok but build up a greater worldview that there is a lot of conflict and the vikings werent unique, requiring a wholistic change in ideals for vast swathes of people, but that there are circumstances for talk-no-justu to be a workable solution

>>280901370
They specifically talk about the danger of bears
Hild doesn't want to get rid of her crossbow because it's a symbol to her more than a weapon
Thorfinn himself knows Hild well, unlike Eyvar
There are also other weapons, like axes and little knives they gave to indians (the ones they put on the top of their spears)
Problem is specifically the sword, which is seen as a symbol of power and corruption (in that age, of course)

>>280901069
that's not deep, that's just dumb

>>280901254
i assume that's because he saw the abysmal response to the farmland arc with people keep commenting "where fight?", thought a trading arc would be seen as boring, and then decided to skip it in favor of delivering an exhilarating arc full of nonstop fights that people asked

>>280901568
Spice & Wolf should be all the proof you need that you can do a trading arc goddammit

>>280901458
About Eyvar, I think it's the opposite. He is driven by power and loves war. Heck, he literally came to Vinland just to see Thorfinn failing and taking his role. His death scene with the vision of his brothers in the field is thanks to Thorfinn who, even a little, made him appreciate this new life.
The little of good Eyvar has in him is thanks to Thorfy

>>280901627
again, that's retarded

>>280901069
>3rd and 4th arc are basically a rehash of the first two arcs but with Thorfinn's maturation.
the entire premise is undermined by the fact that for all of Thorfinn's pacifism, he would be dead ten times over if it wasn't for his combat experience
Thors had the same problem
you can't argue that peace is the way while constantly showing that you need ninja reflexes and danger sense to achieve your goals
the manga's message had been fundamentally broken from the very beginning

so no, it's not a win for peace
unironically vinland saga makes a stronger case for physical superiority than pacifism, like many anons have been pointing out

>>280901500
It leads to humanity having to fight and struggle to achieve peace, there isn't a magical place where peace just exist. Thorfinn made his move and gave it his all, in the end he created a family and people that, despite all, still believe in him and loves him. More of all, he created hope.Now it's humanity 's turn

>>280901627
>He is driven by power and loves war
He literally never fought a war, he has a romanced vision of it, hence why I called him a chuuni.
>he literally came to Vinland just to see Thorfinn failing and taking his role
He was onboard with the idea of going to Vinland before even meeting Thorfinn and while he does think he was unreliable, he doesn't want to take the role of the leader but rather the role of the strongman.
>His death scene with the vision of his brothers in the field is thanks to Thorfinn who, even a little, made him appreciate this new life.
The little of good Eyvar has in him is thanks to Thorfy
Again, the trip to Vinland was advertised as a trip to farm and chill out in peace and he was interessed in the idea before meeting Thorfiin.

>>280894919
>Nobody is crying as they realize half the people that came with Thorfinn died

>>280894928
Realistically he would had been fucking lynched

>>280901552
North and Lnu will live together for 10000 years without conflict, America will become the land of freedom and Thorfinn will marry you. Yes, you

Do you prefer this way?

>>280883415 (OP)
its a shame this manga ended up being so lame and gay

>>280901779
>in the end he created a family and people that, despite all, still believe in him and loves him
Both you and the author forget the people that died in the hands of the Lnu.
>More of all, he created hope.Now it's humanity 's turn
Hope for who?
His message was at best only heard by the people close to him and an handful of Lnu.
None of them are enough to represent humanity or make a difference.
Canute could, but he's been pretty clear that he refuse Thorfinn's way even if he wished for him to succeed.

>>280901845
again, what is with this false equivocation that "no conflict = ultimate supergood"
humanity without conflict is a horrowshow, it's the devolution of man
it's why this series fell off so bad

>>280901760
That only counts against Garm, who is not even evil, but messed up in the head.
Like in his speech with Halfdan in Iceland, you can create a situation of equality not with the physical force, but exchanging goods the other party wants.

Guys, you can criticize vinland all you want, but the answers to your critics are literally written in the manga

>>280901514
So swords were banned for purely ideological reasons?
I guess it's fitting of Thorfinn's mental state at the time.

>>280901790
In Iceland, there is literally the panel with Eyvar and Styrk plotting and hoping Thorfinn will fail to take his role as a leader. Plus, Eyvar doesn't want to chill, he want to escape from his debts to Halfdan

>>280902072
>In Iceland, there is literally the panel with Eyvar and Styrk plotting and hoping Thorfinn will fail to take his role as a leader
I forgot about that but ultimately, he was proven right considering that the Lnu did attack and would have attacked regardless of his presence.
>Eyvar doesn't want to chill, he want to escape from his debts to Halfdan
Thoses are not exclusive you know.

>>280901960
People died for Puowin, Eyvar and Gao Qi fault, not Thorfinn's.

Thorfinn message reached almost the entirety of the Lnu on the island and almost of the north settlers (except that Ugge). Plus, the new generation with Karli and his son

>>280902059
It was fuckin' 1018 AD,course the sword had a different meaning than today

>>280901514
I feel like it was stupid that Hild's crossbow wasn't banned. It's probably deadlier than any sword. That shit is basically a medieval equivalent of AR15: a military grade killing power that even women and children can use

>>280902184
>People died for Puowin, Eyvar and Gao Qi fault, not Thorfinn's.
People were bound to die the moment the plague was mentionned and conflict would arose from that no matter what.
>Thorfinn message reached almost the entirety of the Lnu
Made irrelevant because of the plague.
>Plus, the new generation with Karli and his son
2 more people.
Still not humanity.

>>280902184
and his message got people killed and thrown out
he was essentially leading a christcuck cult and he got his people Waco'd

>>280902296
Apparently ideology>practicality
Hilde could bring a nuke in the name of symbolism and it would be ok.

>>280902296
all the hemming and hawing about her forgiveness was retarded, she was just some bitch and all Thorfinn did was enable her to become a really unlikeable, annoying cunt about it because that's the trip he was on
that dynamic was disgusting

I have a firmly philosophy about pacifist centrist stories. If the main character isnt a martyr then the show failed me to sell his ideas.

>>280902247
You're right, but not in the way you think.
If anything, the author is the one who's bringing modern morality into an historical setting.

>>280902296
Hilde sniping Indians in the middle of the night while both were running was beyond retarded.
>oh yeah don't kill anyone, killing is bad
>none of those bolts will miss their target and take out an eye or kill someone nah man
>definitely won't wreck any ACLs or Achille Tendons permanently which is basically a death sentence for that time
>definitely won't cause any infections that can't be healed

>>280884498
Chad fake thorfinn bleaching the natives vs virgin real thorfinn who can't even punch.

>>280902970
He came, he saw, he fucked.

>>280899452
They were already declining by that point. The diseases were the nail in the coffin.

Killing is never justified

just read Historie if you want a good history manga

>>280901069
>Maybe not Thorfinn,maybe not the next generation, but eventually, trying over and over again, peace will be achieved
LOL

>>280901106
>Thorfinn himself fights, like against Garm or the indians in the forest. He simply doesn't kill
people forget Thorfinn had started out with a full "no violence ever" oath
he silently scaled it down so smacking people and even cutting off fingers is fine
truly a paragon of peace

>>280903535
...with shitty art

>>280903535
Same too with this one

Everyone everyone must farm
Enemies enemies must farm
Here we are we must farm
Im the one who makes the final farm

>>280896515
>KnY too
Everything looks good after that awful final arc. Muzan is probably the worst villain of the new gen.

>>280903535
thanks for the rec
>>280903620
cover looks fine

>>280901845
>America will become the land of freedom
not for the natives.

>>280903535
What is is about?

>>280903669
Sink or farm
What went wrong
I sold my farm
I sold my wheat
So tell me why i lost everything

>>280903707
Hey, they run casinos now, that's something.

>>280903732
>You have no farm, thorfinn
>Nobody has any farms

>>280903707
Everyone born in America is a native.

>>280901977
>Like in his speech with Halfdan in Iceland, you can create a situation of equality not with the physical force, but exchanging goods the other party wants.
sure, that time it worked
if you could show that he can win by doing only that, you would have a point
but Thorfinn was still dodging attacks all throughout Vinland arc
a full diplomat would be dead
you can't claim his philosophy is peaceful if superhuman stamina is still a necessary component for achieving your goals, or else you die
the message of Vinland Saga is "get fit"

>>280901977
>but exchanging goods the other party wants.

You don't need to trade when you can take them by force.

>>280903714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eumenes

>>280894811
Hey everyone get over here, point and laugh at Cvckfin one last time! Hahaha!

>>280903774
So I just bleed and feel the wheat I have inside me
Holding to the farm and no blades to farm thee
Carry on the oath until my last farming
Higher than the plants and deeper than the sea

>>280894820
He's a big guy...

>>280903620
it's simple but it's good, made by the parasyte author

>>280898104
See >>280898116

lmao Indians tripping on mushrooms seeing the future and tranny vikings

>>280901121
>what exactly do you wanna see in it?
Cool stuff.

>>280903908
kek

>>280903957
bleach scene

>>280897357
What would the extended epilogue be about?

>>280894928
>to what end
Yeah I was asking myself that too after watching this manga nosedive.

On a very loosely related note, what are your thoughts on Homesick Tarou?

>>280904049
Wheatland
Wheatdinavia
Farmurope
Farmsia
Injunmericas

>>280904250
Farmikings

Whenever a conclusion causes controversy I become interested because it means the author is not just a reader-pleaser.

Who will do story-time?

>>280904134
Pretty much canute or a time skip to modern days

>>280904250
You forgot cuckippon

>>280904134
Thorfinn maybe having the extended self reflections the series is known for

>>280904342
tru yuki is a farmicuck

>>280904386
Is there really something that needs to be said that hasn't at this point?
Any long 2deep4u reflection or the like would just be a summary of the story

>>280894991
The end of the suffering. How many of you were reading this since the start, week after week month after month just for it to turn to shit? I picked it up after I watched the anime maybe two years ago and holy shit what a let down. Any Vagabond bros nervous that if we ever get a new chapter it will just be shit and the ending won't be worth it?

>>280904388
yukimura type of dude to go to a katana fight recreation and scream about "no fighting guys no fightingu!"

>>280901254

>>280904302
I think someone mentioned doing one in the first thread. I hope someone does because i want to shitpost like i did during the JoJo storytime

>>280904514
Hahahahaha

So now that the dust has settled, how would you rate the series?

>>280904695
7/10

>>280903957
I can't take that he's supposed to be Alexander seriously with that huge birthmark

>>280904695
6/10 too much farm.

>>280904695
3/10 and I'm being generous.

>>280904550
It was me but i wont do it until volume release

I miss you edgelord Thorfinn.

>>280904695
prologue 10/10
farmland 9/10
baltic sea 5/10
vinland 7/10

>>280904768
He is a Agricoholic

>>280904695
It's trash.

If you want to push a pacifist or non-violent message, maybe don't include comical acts of violence and combat that would fit better in DBZ.
The existence of characters like Thorkell kill all credibility.

>>280904845
I bet he smokes Wheat every day that's why he's so retarded.
He is addicted to the farmidrugs

>>280904899
>smokes wheat
LMAO

>>280904302
The story is just boring, that's all. There is not much of it. The manga could have ended two arcs ago and nothing could have changed.

Thorfinn took his failure surprisingly well. I guess he's an eternal optimist

>>280904964
The story could have never been written and nothing would have been lost.

>>280904899
bro is irl Einar

I can't the moral seriously when the author is a limp wristed dyel faggot living in one of the most sheltered nations in the world that probably never even had anyone as much as throw a punch at him in anger.

Call me back when a roided favela security guard concludes violence is bad

>>280905005
I mean, the first two arcs were pretty cool. Shame that it should have just ended there before it got completely stupid and pointless. That's not really an uncommon failing of long running manga though, to be fair.

Remember Madladd?

>This time on cuckland saga.
>Bugeyes with an injun.
>THE END.

>>280901414
>It would be the perfect chance for a pacifist Thorfinn to come in contact with a fully Christian civilization
Yukimura would have fucked the very basic concepts of Christianity, just like all japanese writers do.

>>280905004
The ending would have been turbo garbage if he gave up and killed himself or goes on a murdering spree since there's no point in peace, so this was the only possible ending at this point.
Pretty sure this and the extended epilogue will be a life goes on thing

>>280901069
>it was all few people's fault (Puowin, Gao'Qi and Eyvar) and Thorfinn life mission is having to deal with those kind of people.
What does it mean? He didn't deal with those people, he ran away, like he did before. His way of dealing with those people is to viking fu them to disarm when he can, or to run away.

>>280905080
It's dumber than that.
Killing is bad.
Violence is perfectly acceptable in self-defense because it is 100% possible to be violent without killing someone 100% of the time, all the time.

>>280905109
Of all the endings he decided to troll us
Yuki is a fucking hack

>>280905102
War Arc had too many comedy and battle shounen elements to be taken seriously.
The War Arc and Slave Arc could have been excellent if he had insisted on writing in goofy ass superhumans that can throw trees and tank 1000 punches.

>>280905004
>people died because of me but it's ok, I have another child now to make up for it

>>280904302
The "controversy" is not that deep. The author is an openly lefty moralfag loved by reddit so as a right wing website 4chan anons tends to oppose it. That's all

>>280905246
Yeah that's a good point
Thorfinn is a terrible leader yet he doesn't get punished
Literally half the village died yet he gets a good ending
Bs garbage tier storytelling

The truth is, Vikings failed in colonizing Vinland not because they were BTFO by the Skraeling in combat, but because they had shit-tier agriculture techniques and even their fishing tools were inferior to the ones injuns of the region had, so they basically suffered famines after famines until they ragequit and went home. No, I am not joking, this is what actually happened.

>>280905141
The ending is garbage because he suffers no repercussions, neither do his values. He is happy with his family, forget the debt of the voyage, forget every family that doesn't have a son or brother that came back (see here a happy page with all those who did! Yay!)

>>280905152
Technically when you shoot people in self-defense you're not shooting to kill, you're shooting to incapacitate, it's just that the bits that lead to most reliable and effective incapacitation also carry a very high risk of death, that is center mass and t-zone. Limbs aren't reliable nor effective because they're small targets capable of very fast movement and having them shot doesn't rely impair the ability to do harm all that much in most contexts, plus it's still potentially lethal if you hit the femoral artery.

So yes it's pretty retarded, irl getting people to quit being a lethal danger carries a decent risk of killing them.

t. shooting instructor

>>280905109
>it's an american obsessed with cuckoldry again

Couldn't Thorfinn, like, become a doctor?

>>280905310
But Thorfinn is a farming G*d so we can't have that.

>>280894991
Worst fall off in all of manga history.
SnK kids only have a little bit of an idea.

>>280897127
it's used in film and stuff like that, it's considered "artistic"

>>280905310
Did all 6 expeditions end that way? Sounds stupid they continued to try if so.

>>280905404
And you trusted Yuki? lmao

>>280905310
I believe it, it's not like vikings raided for fun, they raided because their own homeland was poor in resources, so they raided and given that raids were keeping them alive they never developed the skills to live without them. It was probably much harder to raid chad hunter gatherer injuns in a foreign land used to constant tribal warfare than virgin farmers.

>>280894991
mid ending, nothing really to hate. I really hope they don't continue the anime though. let people remember it as being good.

>>280905472
>I really hope they don't continue the anime though. let people remember it as being good.
Naw, smug animeonly Farmland pseuds need to be dealt with

>>280905308
thorfinn is probably the stupidest character ever created, especially in the vinland arc.
>Oh bro we must not fight
That doesn't fucking work if the other side is willing to fight.
>Oh bro we must build the village here, alongside the natives
Why?
Do you want conflict or peace?
Do you not see how stupid that is?
>No fort or walls
Village gets burned,huh couldn't see that coming.

>>280905402
Would require joining a monastery so heavy connections, wealth and literacy. I doubt thorfinn ever learned how to read. Pagans didn't really have doctors per se, just old ladies that knew herbs and ironically enough veteran warriors that saw enough combat to develop some idea of first aid.

>>280905433
>they continued
There was no "they", it wasn't a centralized effort, all expeditions were most likely more or less independent.

>>280894955
That's not even his child

>>280905433
>>280905470
The text I read didn't specify which expedition, but I would say that was the main issue to solve. If you solved the food issue, you basically solved the rest of the problems.
The injuns didn't really have sophisticate weapons, after all, and the numbers weren't really much different considering that they were also newcomers to the land.
The text said the Skraelings came from the southern islands, I think it was Newfoundland, but they were not native from Greenland and the time of their travels were basically the same as the Vikings voyages, so they didn't really have a proper environment advantage.
It just happened that the injuns adapted faster than the vikings and their numbers grew faster, so the vikings got relegated to faraway lands that were unproductive and had no other choise than to escape from there.

>>280898125
Killed in blood feud with Thorfinn doing nothing.

>>280894746
>"Take this bag of sneed, Skraeling!"

>>280904695
First two arcs are genuinely 10/10. Second two arcs are 4/10 at best.

>>280904695
7/10
I feel like Yukimura might genuinely be autistic with how he views the world.

>>280905722
>The injuns didn't really have sophisticate weapons, after all, and the numbers weren't really much different considering that they were also newcomers to the land.
Still better than blissfully unaware farmers with tools that run when they see you. I have no doubt vikings would probably have an edge still, but it would be a pyrrhic victory to fight all the time, and over what? Injuns didn't have shit compared to farmers.

>>280905785
Actually no 7 is too high. Lets drop to 6/10

The tranny ended up having no purpose as expected

>>280883415 (OP)
The ending is good. Thorfinn improves on what his father did and he set up his son to do the same. I have no idea why retards overlook this when its the entire point of the manga.

>>280904695
>First arc and farm arc
9.5/10
>Everything else
Probably a 7/10

>>280894928
>He could've made a name for himself by going viking
>At the time of Canute
Stupid retard author. if he wanted to get rich he would've stayed in Miklagard and become a Varangian guard for the emperor. That or he could've just kept trading narwhal tusks.

>>280905310
Farming is based on decades, even centuries of hard-won knowledge. Move to a place with a different climate or soil and everything goes out of whack. 90% of the pilgrims starved to death and and they were lifelong farmers.

>vinland thread
>it's full of internet tough guys preaching about the joy of war and killing even though they're most likely just a pasty nerd (probably also underage) who never ever got into a serious fight in their life
Every single time, it's all so tiresome
As much as i think Yukimura's take on pacifism is carroonishly silly and could've been done better, the kneejerk reaction to it is also embarrassing to read

>>280894991
Why wheat? Not rye or something more robust? Also corn is better than wheat anyways.
>stupid Thorcuck forgot to bring corn

>>280905308
>yet he doesn't get punished
What the hell would happen, the vikings kill him for coming back alive?

>>280895054
>He'd be buried in blood feuds for the rest of his life
Rightfully deserved. He should fuck off to the mainland ASAP.

>>280905929
Oh fuck off i practice kick boxing and box, dont come at me with that rethoric

>>280905845
>Thorfinn improves on what his father did
I dunno man his father was just a soldier doing soldier stuff that eventually retired and sacrificed his life to protect those around him. Meanwhile Thorfinn was a psycho that killed to get noticed by his senpai and didn't really save any lives to make up for it at all. I feel Thors did it better.

>>280905977
People have been lynched for less.

>>280905984
What do you mean practicing lol, having a tussle with your boyfriend isn't competitive sports.

>>280895128
>Angolmois
>Divci Valka
>Golden Kamuy
>Path of the Assassin
>Kubikiri Asa

>>280905929
Are these internet tough guys in the room with us right now? Well, before they suddenly appeared and started "replying" to your post anyway.

>>280905845
>Thorfinn improves on what his father did and he set up his son to do the same.
Literally he didn't.
All he did was the same as his father, run away to somewhere else in exile.
If you think about it nothing changed.

>>280904695
3/10
I called over a decade ago that none of the moral questions raised by characters like Canute would ever be dealt with. There would never be a come to Jesus for Thorfinn's philosophy. Even in abject failure and death Yukimura has nothing for Thorfinn to introspect. It's exactly what I said would happen, nothing would ever by Thorfinn's fault in Yukimura's mind so there would never be an evaluation of the fruits of Thorfinn's labor.

3/10 manga. It's been over a decade in the real world worth of this nonsense. And the baltic sea arc is one of the worst things ever put to paper this tepid shit in the Vinland arc is sincerely better.

>>280906020
>moving to goalsposting
Embarrasing

>>280906018
>goes to try to start a colony
>fails and comes back
>you should have died with the colony pussy
What would they mean by this?

>>280906076
This.
Is actually embarrassing how little difference thorfinn made.
He could have went a different path as his father yet decided to choreograph his exact footsteps.

Reminder: Ketil outlived Einar. A troon outlived Einar

>>280906004
>I feel Thors did it better
Thors sought to simply avoid violence, whereas Thorfinn learned that he must help build a world which is less inclined to violence, as you simply can't bury your head in the sand and hope it goes away. Vinland is an active step towards building a peaceful society, each step brings the goal closer.

Did Floki ever get his comeuppance?

>>280901148
>it has to be SPECIFICALLY thorkells son ("daughter") who spent 60 chapters with no real arc past "im le shy insecure transperson" who vikangz 1000 years ago all accepted?
yes.

>>280895128
>>280903656

>>280906154
Fr
Like what's the difference.
>They both are ex soilders who decided to stop violence.
>They both went somewhere far away.
The only difference is thorfinn larped as a leader or something.
I'm yet to see thorfinn do something revolutionary.

>>280903656
>a josei yaoi manga
Gawain really is a mentally ill shitposter

>>280905145
Clearly you didn't read the manga.

Thorfinn wanted to SPEAK with the lnu, but Puowin attacked him and Eyvar cut his hand

Later, he went to SPEAK to the tribe council and Gao'Qi warriors didn't accept his conditions because they wanted to enjoy fights. Oh, and in the meantime Gao'Qi was burning houses and almost killed Thorfinn's newborn

In the end, he went to SPEAK again and Eyvar's brother messed everything up, also killing Einar

Again, the main fault is Puowin's, Eyvar's and Gao Qi (and their followers). Thorfinn literally didn't do anything wrong

>>280905929
>just a pasty nerd (probably also underage) who never ever got into a serious fight in their life
Anon that's literally who Yukimura is. Unlike him I could actually kill people if i really wanted to and didn't care about jail so my opinion on violence is infinitely more valueable. Not even american btw

>>280906229
>Like what's the difference
It's an ideological difference and development of emotional intelligence in trying to empathize with others.

>>280906264
You literally just spent 3 lines describing him doing things wrong.

>>280906285
Yeah worked out really well for that ausnigger.

>>280905308

Puowin smokin' and seeing shits
Eyvar wanting to replace Thorfinn as a leader since the very beginning
Gao Qi wanting Excalibur and become the next King Arthur
Ugge breaking balls saying the worst negative things since the beginning
Einar falling in love with a statue to the point of going to war
Rats carrying disease all over
And don't even let me start on Styrk

"Thorfinn is a terrible leader"

>>280906342
It's not relevant how it works out, "choosing" peace without being capable of violence is no choice at all. Yukimura couldn't harm a man if his life depended on it, he just copes. Nietzsche already explained it better than I ever could, slaves glorify their own powerlessness.

>>280905929
there's pacifism, then there is letting people use violence to walk all over you

>>280905310
The version I read is that Vinland was too far remote for the Vikings to be economically viable.
A lot of why Greenland persisted was because of it's trade with Europe, sending back things like Walrus Ivory. Vinland definitely would have been the better settler colony because of its conditions but if you're a Viking seeking some sort of fortune it ends up worse off than Greenland.

>>280904480
The author didn't make a strong point in favor or against violence or peace, for all we know Indian Vegeta lived a happy life conquering tribes and fucking his harem of brown bitches btw.

>>280903535
For me, it's Hyouge Mono

>>280904695
4/10

>>280905004
I think my problem isn't necessarily how it ended, but how quickly we got to the conclusion. I feel there could have been a more obvious chapter of introspection or one last negotiation where the conclusion was decided "Yeah, this was a failure. I'll take my leave."

But if we're getting more pages in the final publishing, maybe that will be included as part.

>>280906229
Tbf thorfinn idea was always stupid
Like how is a tiny village supposed to help make vikings peaceful?

>>280904695
4/10 same quality as Innocent / Innocent Rouge

>>280905845
The idea that's the author's intent is lost on very few. But you don't get points for intent.

>>280905929
>'s full of internet tough guys preaching about the joy of war and killing
Feel free to point those out, most people are just calling Thorfinn retarded.
Even the author is admitting that injun Vegeta was right.

>>280899232
That's his philosophy. When things get difficult run away

>>280906382
I don't think you know what being a leader means.

>>280906502
>The version I read is that Vinland was too far remote for the Vikings to be economically viable.
Perhaps, but still, Iceland was equally isolated yet still survived even to this day. If any, the Vikings tried to export the "Iceland model" of colonization to Greenland, yet it utterly failed.

>>280906420
>without being capable of violence
Any retard is capable of physical violence. To Nietzche violence is any form through which one asserts their mastery over the psyche of another. In this context Yukimura, the master, is asserting violence over you in creating this immensely popular manga, and you, the slave, seek to undermine and degrade it. Your take on power is what Nietzche describes as a loss of power, the peasant's ressentiment, power of the crudest kind, a degenerating power.

>>280906758
Why does it seem like many great philosophers and psychologists are crazy?

the blood of the people who believed in Thorfinn is on his hands, and he has the audacity to smile?

>>280906758
>Any retard is capable of physical violence.
If only. That used to be case before slave mentality became internalized by default. I bet you 5 bucks Yukimura couldn't win a physical altercation with the average male in his own country.
>In this context Yukimura, the master, is asserting violence over you in creating this immensely popular manga, and you, the slave, seek to undermine and degrade it. Your take on power is what Nietzche describes as a loss of power, the peasant's ressentiment, power of the crudest kind, a degenerating power.
This assertion fails from the very start because Yukimura is a self-admitted slave. He doesn't strive for power in the slightest. If I cared about making a popular manga I'd just write another retarded shonen we both know it would be 10 times more popular no matter how bad of a job I'd do.

Honestly thorfinn should just have become part of canutes court.
He would have had more power to spread his ideas.
>B-but thorfinn didn't want to be in the game of princes and kings
So what?
Sometimes life isn't fair, and you have to accept it.
Besides that's pretty selfish, compromising a great message because of thorfinns dumb feelings about vinland.

>>280905140
This is true, it's likely his botched handling still would've become insufferable or outright infuriating in some way in the scenario where he did the Constantinople arc. But it still might've been more interesting as an infuriating hack job. He couldn't run away from Constantinople being one of the most important representative cities that fostered a lot of religious learning and knowledge preservation while simultaneously grappling with war/negotiation and the natural vices that come with cities

>>280906936
>If only
Yes, anyone can twist a knife in the back of a sleeping foe should they wish, even the weakest most pitiful creature. Were you to take your weapon and slay the defenseless, none would percieve this action as one of strength. Power is to assert mastery over others, to elevate them. This is what it means to be a true warrior. It's really not that deep.

>>280904695
Honestly? The whole thing averages to like a 5/10 while up until Farmland it was like an 8 or even 9. I hadn't seen a drop in quality between parts since Naruto.

>>280906711
The colonization of Greenland wasn't a failure. Post colonial condition changes over a century and a half later started to and eventually did them in. Climate, Economy (including Economic changes back in Europe that made them care less about things like their ivory), "Native" arrival.
And Iceland's isolation is in no way comparable to Vinland's. Literally the Norse navigable route to Vindland, via Greenland, is farther away from Greenland than Greenland was from Norway.
You actually can't reproduce the Icelandic model in Vinland. You can't keep shipping more and more livestock.

>>280905845
>pseud schizo avatar fag jerking himself off and still missing the point of the manga
Never fails

Off-topic BUT
You can just read Blade of the Immortal if you want a revenge story that actually gets somewhere and that actually tackles the whole "cycle of hate" thing properly.
>t. dropped Vinland early

>>280907134
Blade of the Immortal is literally /co/ tier crap

So now that the dust has settled, what did we think of Hild?

>>280907046
>Yes, anyone can twist a knife in the back of a sleeping foe should they wish, even the weakest most pitiful creature.
No actually Anon this isn't true in the slightest. This requires a particular mindset and capability to come up with and execute a plan given most people these days have those things called door locks and neighbors. For fucks sake Anon, Dostoyevsky wrote an entire book to let everyone know he would totally lose it over killing an old jewish usurer. The slave mentality has been internalized very deeply in the modern society.
>Power is to assert mastery over others
True.
>to elevate them.
That is for the powerful to decide. But what is your point here, exactly? Thorfinn failed to enforce his will. The moral of the story is that it's fine to have your will negated because you did the "morally superior" thing. This is textbook inversion of values.

>>280897241
iirc this was because they had decided to make use of only one single strain of potatoes despite the original exporters knowing that there were many different types grown in south america. The traditional way south americans grew potatoes was growing a large variety of types of potatoes together as insurance against blight. It wasn't devastating if one type of potato failed that year

And now that the manga is over, the Did Nothing Wrong Award goes to...

>>280907023
The truth is that not only is thorfinn a retarded leader, but also an incredibly selfish one.
He literally had a friendship with a prince yet never used it, all he wanted was to play explorer and larp as a pseudo jesus.
He knew a rich lord yet never used it to his advantage.
He literally has blood in the jomsvkikings yet never used to his advantage.
All he was thinking was about larping in vinland with his gay farming friends.

>>280907164
I thought her status a genius inventor would be more relevant

>>280907164
She had one good moment but it wasn't worth her being that annoying. I don't necessarily expect subtlety from manga all that much, but I don't want to be beaten over the head with a hammer all the time either

>>280907279
And as soon as things get tough he agrees to leave and helps to kill everyone who doesn't.

>>280907200
>No actually Anon this isn't true in the slightest
Yes it is
>For fucks sake Anon, Dostoyevsky wrote an entire book to let everyone know he would totally lose it over killing an old jewish usurer
It's not surprising a nitwit would like dostoevsky.

>>280906758
The other anon is right about Nietzsche though. It's not as if the slave morality was without popular reach in Nietzsche's own time and so saying Yukimura's screed has reach therefore it's will to power is specious.
Also it's specious to try to tie this into the his ressentiment. Because the peasant's resentment (as you call it) is resentment of power and the glorification of helplessness. Since what Yukimura is preaching is by Nietzsche's yardstick slave morality then any resentment of that message is not ressentiment as Nietzsche described it. If it were, Nietzsche's own works decrying slave morality would ironically themselves somehow be works of that ressentiment.

>>280907164
It's a shame no one married her (me).

>>280907389
>specious
You can't say this then make zero arguments. That doesn't really work.

Someone should number every single time thorfinn did a shitty leadership decision for over his ideologies

>>280907462
You can't just ignore my actual points and say I didn't make any. That doesn't really work.

What is it with schizos and their shit tier understanding of philosophy, I remember some christcuck a while back had a threat where they were peddling their youtube 101 tourist understanding of japs and religion

>>280907279
Exactly like how the fuck do you have so many options yet choose the worst one?

>>280901760

>>280907490
You didn't make a single argument, you just typed specious over and over. The whole concept of the true warrior is exerting mastery over others rather than the status quo of circular violence. War is thesis without antithesis, long have the days passed when it unified nations.

>>280907512
Are you jewish?

>>280907512
You type like a real genius.

is Thorfinn actually worse than Eren?
At least Eren didn't get Mikasa and Armin killed and broke the curse

>>280907564
You may make a real counterpoint at your leisure.

New thread doko

>>280907603
>broke the curse
Eren didn't though, the titan and tree got reborn eventually, and thorfin didn't break anything or prove anything either, violence won for the Indians.

>>280907603
I wouldn't be surprised if thorfinn kill count caused indirectly by his terrible decisions, is higher than when he was a soilder.

>>280907355
>Yes it is
No it isn't.
>It's not surprising a nitwit would like dostoevsky.
>avatarfag has no reading comprehension
what a twist

Manga is about pacifism

/a/ contrarians angry because protagonist doesn't choose violence and doesn't kill

Wow, this board never ceases to amaze me

Look at all those leadership qualities.

is up, if someone wants to dump the finale is welcomed

>>280907795
>Manga is about pacifism
It wasn't until it was.
>/a/ contrarians angry because protagonist doesn't choose violence and doesn't kill
Anon believe it or not but there are shades of grey between
>killing is moral because it makes my peepee hard
and
>I wouldn't physically restraint a rapist because violence bad

>>280907839
Man, they really all ganged up on Styrk

>>280907657
In Usogui, the manga literally about the emergence of the ubermensch and global power dynamics, why does the author make a point to explain how war is simply a mechanism of vice funds?

>>280907880
Ok, tell me one (I'm talking not just to you, but to all the board) thing Thorfinn did wrong in Vinland arc. Just one

>>280907955
Not building a wall for one. I mean it's not even fucking violence you're allowed to have a wall, what the fuck is wrong with a wall?

>>280907700
Eren died but his country actually lasted for a long fucking time in the anime.
Thorfinn couldn't even keep his shit going for a decade.

>>280907996
It's crazy to me how no one attempted to kill thorfinn over this shit.
I mean how do you get away with not building a wall?
What about our safety you promised to protect?

>>280908051
I wonder what the moral of that was. Do you think Yukimura leaves the door to his apartment wide open as well, especially at night?

>>280907241
>saved his potato mom then 1 vs 1 his homo dad
>outwitted thors
>gave thorfinn a tip on how to beat thorkell
>roman empire history nerd
>killed the fatass so chadnute becomes king
>told thorfinn to stop being a faggot and have sex
the manga died with him

>>280906168
Ketil is mind broken and Halvar is mentally ill

>>280884498
I eagerly await the next brown girls thread.

>>280907603
At least he didn't die a virgin cuck

>don't worry Arnheid, you may have died a terrible death as a slave but it's all good i will create a new nation with no slavery and war i promise
>actually too hard lol well I tried guess it's going back home to my spouse and children who are all alive unlike yours lmao
very cool

>>280907134
BOI's resolution is infinitely better.

>>280907908
Dunno. My point's were pretty narrowly about the deliberate misappropriation of Nietzschean terminology, some contradictions in terms.

>>280907164
Terrible character.
She'd be fine in other manga, but has no business in an allegedly serious, pseudohistorical setting.

>>280907355
>Yes it is
>can't prove it
You keep using words yet don't know what they mean, you keep using images yet they don't reflect what you want to mean.
Give us proof of this single point, that's your first assignment.

>>280908397
Why is the ubermensch of Usogui comically lacking in martial might amongst a cast of mini-hulk goons?

>>280908461
honestly i feel bad for the other villagers imagine having retard thorfinn making the decisions, of course the colony failed.
Literally anyone else would have been better, hell i bet even Einar would have been a better leader.

>>280908299
>pls Indian Vegeta at least throw away the sword
>no.

>>280908448
Make an argument first lol, you've already tried to fallaciously apply German existential to a manga about humanitarianism like a nitwit, and have since prove you know little of either.

>>280907564
>War is thesis without antithesis, long have the days passed when it unified nations.
It's literally unifying the western world against russia right now. How many billions do you think US would give Ukraine without the special operation?

Thorfinn spent half his life as a raging retard who killed innocent people and the other half as a retard who couldn't fight when it was necessary. he was like that guy who grew up on one polar end of the political spectrum and then was converted to the other team by gamergate or something and immediately went all the way to the other end. an idiot with no mind for nuance from the beginning to the end.

>>280908560
>thinks philosophy somehow doesn't apply if it's chinese cartoons
lol

It's amazing how every single thing you're complaining about is debunked in the manga itself. Thorfinn says to Eyvar he doesn't want to build a wall because it could be seen as an act of separation from the Lnu, who at that time were extremely wary about the north. But the Lnu attack them nevertheless, you could say. Yeah, but that's because the plague, something nobody at the time could have imagined, and Puowin, Gaoqi and Eyvar actions.

By the way, tell what you want, the world is considering vinland saga as one of the best manga ever, except some contrarians on /a/. Peace out

>>280908582
>It's literally unifying the western world against russia right now
It's fattening someone's vice fund investment.
>How many billions do you think US would give Ukraine without the special operation?
The only thing the US gave Ukraine is expiring weapons and ammunition so they could replenish their stocks, and in doing so potentially gain access to a large mineral deposit. The cost of this war on the US's end is quite exaggerated.

>>280908645
>the world is considering vinland saga as one of the best manga ever, except some contrarians on /a/
well that was true about SnK as well so...

>>280908645
>But the Lnu attack them nevertheless, you could say. Yeah, but that's because the plague, something nobody at the time could have imagined, and Puowin, Gaoqi and Eyvar actions.
So you actually agree that building the wall was justified?

>>280908560
>humanitarianism
*humanism

Thorfinn is a terrible leader because in the end he is happy with his family while all the settlers have lost someone

Except

Chapter 119 exists

>>280908626
He's like a carnivore retard that realized he's being conned so he decided to go full natural no supplements vegan. I see a lot of people doing this either way. Being rational too boring I guess.

>>280908676
Yes, but only in retrospective.
And Thorfinn still doesn't have the power to see the future, right?

>>280908645
>the world is considering vinland saga as one of the best manga ever
Proof?

>>280908724
No but expecting that people you literally don't know to behave peacefully is just as bad.

>>280908658
>It's fattening someone's vice fund investment.
False dichotomy.
>The only thing the US gave Ukraine is expiring weapons and ammunition so they could replenish their stocks, and in doing so potentially gain access to a large mineral deposit.
Verifiably untrue.

>>280908645
>Thorfinn says to Eyvar he doesn't want to build a wall because it could be seen as an act of separation from the Lnu
It's a fucking wall. Would Thorfinn let the Lnu rape their women too because it would be culturally insensitive? This isn't pacifism.

>>280908774
Stick to specious if you want to pretend buzzwords are an argument.

>>280908645
All you have to do is bring up Ukraine to the average person worshipping this manga and they sputter out of control. It's not a big deal.
And it's not well loved. You can chart the decline of people reading it on reddit itself looking at their threads.

>>280908530
Dude even fucking Leif would have been better.
Thorfinn is like the only person stupid enough to miss the importance of building a fucking wall, that's how retarded he is.

>>280908451
>tries to talk about vinland
>can't make any real point to discuss
>spazzes out about random other manga instead
I'll accept your concession on his behalf

>>280908645
>>280892053


I think some people were expecting revolutionar
y Jesus way too much, expecting the narrative to serve Thorfinn completely, and then gets mad when the results are not 100% in his favor (i mean, considering that his own son understood why it didn't work and how next time it should be done differently, he did win in the end). his ideology spread is well on its way to be meaningful to someone other than himself, meaning, he succeeded in giving this philosophy a way to perpetuate for years to come and the Lnu were one of the many cases of it (and arguably one that also worked considering last page)

What if there was another chapter that has a timeskip to the American colonization with the Lnu tribe being wiped out by American settlers. How would everyone react to that?

>>280908880
>can't stop bringing up topical politics and superficial german philosophy
You just seem like a confused little kid honestly.

>>280908645
>Thorfinn says to Eyvar he doesn't want to build a wall because it could be seen as an act of separation from the Lnu
If the Lnu built a wall to keep out Thorfinns tard colony would that somehow be an act of violence?

>>280908925
>philosophy and relevant real life events don'r count if they make me uncomfortable
Whatever makes you sleep at night, don't forget to leave the door open, otherwise the burglar might consider it an act of separation and be provoked into breaking in

>>280909000
Topical politics don't reflect reality. They are bread and circus. Anyone who has studied any degree of politics or history knows how irrelevant and stupid the things /pol/ spends their entire life obsessing over are.

>>280908925
Says the schizo equating me with poster's I am not.
But Yukimura's fiction is itself didactic. So I think you're a moron if you think it's a pure act of projection on my and the other anon's part to react to its pontification. Of course we do?
If I'm at my door and Jehovah's Witnesses show up and I start talking about the translation of the Greek definite particle I'm not a weirdo. If I start shouting at them about beehives then I'm the one that's in left field.

>>280909032
>Topical politics don't reflect reality. They are bread and circus.
Anon people are quite literally dying over there right now. Politics are full of empty narratives but an actual war isn't one. It's okay you can lose an internet argument once in a while, no need to double down on being retarded.

>>280909032
>History
Oh don't give me that argument, this manga is ahistorical as fuck.
They pretty much say the norse religion is fake, instead of presenting it unbiased as people of the era would.

>>280909096
>Anon people are quite literally dying over there right now.
And? I used to work with a vet and he'd say to me "It's not a big deal being a soldier, you can get shot in any job."

Violence and suffering won you fucking retard, the colony failed and Einar won't get the true peace he wanted. It doesn't even matter what peace they try to work for some since in a couple hundred years the Indians are relegated to casino drug reservations and the vikings are a historical footnote.

>>280909143
Native Americans laid the groundwork for federalism. But yes, vikings are pretty irrelevant culturally.

>>280908852
No, but they already had steel weapons that Lnu haven't. Wall was unnecessary until not predictable causes

>>280908560
It was already done in a previous post and you can't read so I'll accept your concession. Thanks for falling for my bait and proving my point.

>>280909139
Well it's not a surprise to me that a retarded enlisted fag doesn't grasp the concept of an occupational hazard but you're really not doing yourself any favors parroting them. Do you find yourself getting chased by suicide bomber drones often?

>why bother trying to create less suffering? other people will create suffering again eventually.

>>280909218
>I'll accept you concession
>I'll accept you concession
>specious
>specious
>I'll accept your concession
Okay have fun kiddo

>>280909204
And walls take time to build, if they waited for the plague, it would have been too late already.
A wall is also a defensive structure, Thorfinn was just being retarded on that point.
They also had houses with walls, do you think they should have demolished those too?

>>280909231
>Do you find yourself getting chased by suicide bomber drones often
I live in New Jersey so yes actually, that was a thing like 2 months ago. For someone who wants to be a tough guy you sure are a soiboi.

>>280909139
>I used to work with a vet and he'd say to me "It's not a big deal being a soldier, you can get shot in any job."
Where was he deployed?
Because it sounds like that vet only exist in your mind.

>>280909251
>doesn't even realize I'm not that anon
Call yourself a stupid bitch.

>>280909288
>>280909251
stop fighting you two

>>280909261
They are on an island
North are cool, lnu are cool
North have goods that piqued lnu interest
Lnu have goods that piqued North interest
Eventually, north weapons are better than lnu's

LET'S BUILD A FUCKIN'WALL

Hell yeah

why couldn't torfin just stop being a bitch grow up and get some elite soilders?
who cares about pacifism when you have people to defend?

>>280909335
Those are both me

>>280909360
>Because muh pacifism don't you understand
Unironically this mentality caused more pain to them then if they had go the other way.

>>280909355
>LET'S BUILD A FUCKIN'WALL
Yes?
Just like they built houses and the likes?
It's also helpful against wild creatures like bears, which is one of the reason why Hild got to keep her crossbow, which is by far the most lethal weapon shown in the entire story.

>>280909204
They only had one weapon that Thorfinn didn't want them to bring??

>>280909288
Well clearly the pilot was pretty shit at his his job given you're still here, you're not getting the real experience. Did you at least try to shoot it down?

>>280909360
>>280909399
“You can’t truly call yourself ‘peaceful’ unless you are capable of great violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful, you’re harmless.”
It's nu-pacifism.

>>280909562
KWAB

>>280909562
It's the thought that counts, anyways i am gonna live a comfy life with my wife an two children now sucks to be one of the many people i killed

>>280909596
he's like,
>well i tried now I'm going to retire with my family, who is alive unlike many of you, good luck everyone!
The more i think about it the more i hate this little faggot.

>>280909596
except the people who died were consequences of factors outside of his control

I mean since we're on the topic of Nietzsche I'd say the only thing we get from Yukimura that isn't internalized slave morality isn't even in the manga, it's in his author's notes.
Yukimura saying he'd go to prison rather than serve in the army during a war isn't merely him internalizing the genealogical morality transmitted to him.

>>280909436
The drone isn't my enemy.

i dont know why anyone would engage with an avatarfag but you do you

>>280909643
That's contrived didactic writing.
>do as the author says
Live
>do not as the author says
Die

If I were to write a story about how having premarital sex is bad and I write the whole thing as a woefully contrived tragedy that ends with the woman dying in childbirth because she had the big bad premarital sex, have I proved myself and my morality right? Or have I just made a higher production value straw man comic?

>>280909643
People would have died if they tried to flee too.
They were too many people to evacuate and the Lnu showed that they were willing to attack the women and children who were fleeing on the boat.
But no, you had to post a pic of a Nord.

>>280909695
>Yukimura saying he'd go to prison rather than serve in the army during a war
I mean it's still a pretty pussy thing to do all things considered, many conscripts do that just to not get killed in a war. If he said
>I'd rather pee on my commander and face the shooting squad than go to war
then you'd have a point, but he subconciously lets it slip he's just a giant pussy.

like are we sure thorfinn isn't the villain?
>gets the downtrodden
>Promises to protect them if they help him in his little experiment
>Dosen't protect many of them
>Fails and goes back to Iceland, leaving them and the entire colony in ruins.

>>280909288
At least try to sounds realistic if you're going to lie, FFS.
An unarmed chinese balloon basically paralyzed the US for almost a week.
A single suicide bomber drone would be seen as a declaration of war and media would go balistic over it.

Calling it:
Yukimura will try other things and fail at them and will come back to Vinland Saga years later because it's the only thing he has to remake it worse.