Thread 281630681

I liked it

>>281630681 (OP)
This was goated

>>281630681 (OP)
pseud shit

>>281630681 (OP)
very good but still overrated

A true intellectual anime unlike monster

I refuse to believe anyone actually watched this. its just one of those that people say they did because it makes them feel smart and special. watching it is more boring than watching paint dry.

>>281633076
It was so engrossing I watched 11 episodes a day.

>>281633076
Watched it, read the novels, bought everything.
Vol 33 of the new manga released just a couple days ago, but that's a totally different vibe from the OVAs.

>>281630681 (OP)
Why was the FPA cast so much less developed aside from Yang?

>>281630681 (OP)
Plato was right. Reinhard was right. Benevolent philosopher rulers are right. Democracy is faulty.

>>281634023
Forgot the pic

>>281630681 (OP)
I've been meaning to watch it but that 110 episode count intimidates me

>>281633076
I'm sorry you're retarded.

>>281633962
Why waste time on a bunch of irrelevant footnotes?

>>281634041
>Yang: God democracy sucks and is full of corruption but at least it isn't imperialism
>Reinhard: God imperialism sucks and is full of corruption but at least it isn't democracy

>>281634453
Been viewing one a day and I'm about a week from finishing, definitely worth watching.

>>281634453
It's so engaging I always binge it. Especially season 3 when it hits its peak. But watching 1 or 2 per day is also fine since every episode is so dense.

>>281634453
>>281634453
If compare the total runtime, it's way shorter than most of the great American tv dramas. The plot is also always moving forward at a good pace. There are other flaws to the show though which is why I have never rewatched it fully.

Which short hair tomboy would you choose anons?

>>281633076
LOTGH is KINO of the finest order.
Imbut it's a slow ass burn.
110 episodes plus a lot of extras.

But damn did every character feel real.
I've never watched a show that managed to create such great characters like LOGH did.

>>281635957
hebe

>>281635957
Hilda did more for her man and put out sooner.

>>281630681 (OP)
Free Fezzan

>>281633962
Cause the main focus of the story has always been intended for the Imperials/Reinhard's guys
You could say the FPA (including Yang's fleet) actually took the role of the antagonist albeit as the anti-villain type

On another note most of Imperial main charachters are higher-up from early on, while most of FPA main charachters were subordinates (and mostly Yang's subordinates) until they moved up to El Facil & Iserlohn

>>281630681 (OP)
That's cool. I'm glad you found a thing you enjoyed.

yang wenli is my spirit animal

>>281636074
Was she ever actually relevant to the plot?

>>281634453
You can watch 2 episodes a day and finish it in a month and a half. Or 3 episodes a day and finish it in just over a month.

It peaked halfway through, then it started to fall off. It's a shame because I thought I would've liked it way more, considering that I love fiction that tries to mimic history.

>>281636715
Was any woman?

>>281637264
Hilda cucked Yang and the FPA out of total victory.

>>281636697
same tb.h

>>281633076
t.seasonal anime watcher

Lotgh is literally GOAT, the kind of anime you can watch for days straight without getting bored.

>>281635741
Sorry, but that is such a mediocre Reddit argument.

>>281635957
>dat feel when they end up ruling the galaxy

>>281637347
deserved

>>281638392
No that was bullshit. Yang should have fired anyway and end the story 50 episodes earlier.

>>281634453
3 episodes a day works out pretty well, I'm watching it right now after putting it off for a long time.

God i love LOGH.
How the fuck did one anime have so many great and memorable moments and so many memes and quotes?
Yep they dont make them like they used to...

>>281634041
rare retard moment for mein kaiser

Oberstein's only crime was being too based

>>281630681 (OP)
Space hitler was right

>>281634023
True, and the perfect system to ensure a successive line of philosopher kings has been finally been discovered.
Hint: It's not hereditary bullshit into a failson

>>281633076
A good drama will grip you once you start getting attached to the characters.
And LOGH has a lot of really good characters.

>>281633076
not only did i watch it i then downloaded the entire series and watched it again with my dad in his 50s.

>>281635957
hildegard because that name is hot

>>281637347
except yang couldnt figure out reinhards strategy it was julian that did (complete and total bullshit by the way)

but thats one of the best parts about LOTGH the real story is that Yang and Reinhard were so evenly matched that it wasnt one of them defeating the other it was actually a story about competence of the people below them

>>281634453
I'd argue democracy doesn't even exist in a modern society, people with money and power will end up in control anyway

>>281638928
Let's be honest, if Mao's son didn't die in the Korean War, things could have been different. And the actual philosophic leader is Mao only and the rest were all neoliberal bandwagoners. Xi is trying hard to be seen as one, but he is actually not different from Deng, easier for him than Deng because liberalism is sinking now, unlike the 80s, when it was at its strongest position.

>>281639015
That's always been the case. Electoralism and pluralism in general has long been understood to be the preferred tool of oligarchy, while autocracy is maintained through populism, either among the armed populace/military but ideally among the masses. That's why the liberal op ed think tanker journalist class fear mongers about populism so much.

>>281639034
Mao's son was never gonna succeed him, Hua Guofeng as his appointed successor barely lasted two years before being sidelined by Deng who had more respect within the party. And of course Jiang Qing was always viewed as a crazy bitch within the party and relied on extra-party institutions like media and academia + wife status for power. DemCent has proven to be pretty good at leader selection, see Vietnam too. Ironically the Soviets are the ones that bastardized it by just turning it into a coup-fest while in China even sidelined leaders like Hua Guofeng and Zhao Ziyang had to be pushed out via proper party procedure.

>>281633076
Adhd zoomer

>>281638950
Your dad read the subs throughout the whole show? really?

>>281633076
>t. doesn't watch documentaries
I bet you ron't even read.

>>281639323
Yes anon, normal people can read.

Man moment: the show

>>281638583
It's a commie libtard posting it out of context, he is having an issue with nepotism and putting your retarded son in charge.

>>281639583
>libtard
Use the word properly knowing its meaning.

>>281639839
There is no practical diffetence between marxists and muh freedom people, as long as one advocates for political rights for the average person, one is undermining civilization.

goated

goated

Why arent there anime made as good as this

>>281641331
Seasonals are made to lobotomize the population

>>281633076
I watched the first 7 episodes in 2021, can't fucking wait to pick it back up
I actually liked it and will watch it memes aside

>>281633076
zoomer

>>281635957
Frederica

>>281631038
name several non pseud anime then

>>281633916
>Vol 33 of the new manga released just a couple days ago,
hold up
I wasn't deep enough in the sauce to know there even was a manga going on
Thanks for the tip anon

>>281633076
I say I watched it but I stopped at episode 83

>>281638892
*Napoleon

>>281638892
>>281644379
Don't compare Reinhard with those two liberal-to-failed abominations.

>>281633076
>I can't even conceive of other people enjoying something that I don't enjoy, so they must all be pretending
Literal 0 theory of mind. If this is a bait post, then well done

>>281633076
be like me, start with gundam to train yourself in to watching +40 espiode shows, then watch LOGH after Zeta and CCA

it's pretty hilarious watching LoGH extoll the virtues of monarchy and trying to both-sides it, and then you look out your window and see that history completely fucking obliterated monarchy. Liberalism (the academic definition not the culture war definition) absolutely crushed it. It has absolutely nothing to do with "muh morality" or "muh great men" or "muh liberty" like LoGH thinks it does, it has everything to do with monarchy being a completely obsolete system totally incapable of maintaining an industrialized, or even mercantile society. The Empire's economy is based on agricultural serfdom with oxen-pulled plows for gods sake, it couldn't maintain a space navy or a centralized bureaucracy let alone fight a galactic war against the Alliance. It would have collapsed, whether by splintering into Warlordism or simply being overthrown by an actually viable government, long before the Alliance was even founded.

>>281645011
For all its faults, I love gundam for being staunchly against it. Made it age better than other scifi/fantasy shows

>>281630681 (OP)
>>281631027
Is there an anime as good as this?

>>281646374
If there is I haven't been to find it...

>>281641331
LOGH isn't that good. Just read manga

>>281646868
>manga
>good

>>281644037
It's by the same guy who did Houshin Engi, running in a seinen mag. Ship designs are straight from the OVAs, but everything else is all him.

>>281644267
At least say you watched until episode 98.

>>281644966
What if I already watched LOGH but never watched Gundam? What Gundam do I watch?

>>281647782
Yes

>>281647815
If you want more of characters dressed in 19th century costumes (sexy sexy epaulettes) making melodramatic monologues about the nature of mans inherent desire for conquest:
Watch Gundam Wing.

If you want a another show about a big ole' space war:
Watch the original or Seed.

>>281647815
The original. The rest is shounen slop with retarded teenagers, psychic powers and teen romance melodrama.

>>281647815
The spin offs. The original is shounen slop with retarded teenagers, psychic powers and teen romance melodrama.

>>281646868
It's originally a novel

>>281649786
Yes, it's pretty good too. Just saying there are other things that are just as smart if not more (although LOGH is hard to rival in terms of sheer scope and other things)

everybody liked it

>>281638535
>>281630681 (OP)
>>281631027
>>281631380
It's the only real anime.
If you've watched it you're done with anime. Everything else is pseud

>>281651421
trvke

>>281634041
Peak mentality right here. Of course he is specifically talking about the idea of nobility, during an OVA arc where a young Reinhard was seriously questioning the decadent aspects of the Goldenbaum dynasty. A thriving society relies on social mobility, its part of the aggregate values he held and what made him take the decisions he did near the end of the series regarding forms of government, 100% in character take.

This has nothing to do with darkies, that's an entire different conversation altogether and a couple of japs in the 80s wouldn't even bother to think about that.

>>281638640
mfw I'm old enough to join Buckock's final ride of glory.

>>281633076
I spent a month of college watching a handful of episodes every day after I got back to my dorm. It was great.

I like how this series doesn't use honorifics unless they have an English/German equivalent.

>>281636076
>Hilda did more for her man
She was more important to the decisions yes.

>put out sooner.
No she didn't
Frederica was banging and married to Yang before Reinhart had that bad night.

>>281651421
Ashita no Joe

>>281653753
That was the maid that married the police chief guy right?
The writers must have based those 2 on those on people they knew.
It was too perfect.

>>281654975
He was the secret police chief. Torture people during the day and comes back to his blissfully unaware simple wife.

>>281655226
I don't remember any torture.
I remember integrations though.
What episode was that?

>>281634453
You will be sad it was only 110

>>281647815
0079
0083
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wing
unicorn ova
>>281655295
Most likely terraists

>>281655570
Damn, dude was a baller.
Cute wife though.

>>281633076
Dumbass, you missed out on best girl.

>>281650826
only brainlets didnt >>281633076

>>281655721
hottest girl

>>281654936
pseud

>>281655721
hottest girl

>>281654936
pseud

>>281654936
pseud

https://youtu.be/nT56XzZjM2s?si=0PBoYqj8iYyij9gX
/pol/ loves this scene but I don't think I have seen this outside of 4chan. It really shows that nobody has tried to watch this anymore, because people would be annoying as hell about this scene if more people had watched it.

>>281657174
More like people agree with it since it's natural

>>281657174
>For two hundred years after that, an era of peace and development continued. However, while that peace continued, the shadow of stagnation fell over the human race. It seemed to be that exhaustion and fatigue defeated hope and ambition, negative supplanted the positive, pessimism supplanted optimism, and conservatism took the place of progressiveness.
The line directly before the start of this video, which the video submitter chose to omit.

>>281657538
post the full version?

>>281630681 (OP)
Legend of Goat Heroes

>>281633076
moe brainrot

>>281653230
Lol I did the same thing. I was on an internship and my logdings had no wifi so l'd downnload LOGH episodes at work on my computer during the day then come back home with enough episodes not to get bored every night. It was comfy.

>>281654936
based

>>281645011
pretty sure that the empire basically enforced mennonite lifestyles for most of the population, not that it's actually "stuck" like that
the alternative is a population which has been driven into total tech psychosis and is in utter chaos, like the earlier human union or whatever it was called before rudolf took power

>>281633076
A lot of the old /a/ culture surrounding logh isn't elitist at all. It's cute admirals doing cute things.
That's not to say logh never saw serious discussion in /a/ threads but /a/ back in the day was moeshit central and there was definitely big moeshit flavor to logh's fanbase here.
You should have more fun.

So, is there any meaningful ground combat in the series? I mean episode where we see it happens. I know there are tanks and APCs thanks to the wiki.

>>281659816
Not particularly. Most of the character focus is on high-level fleet command.
There's the Rosenritter, but those guys are more like marines/spec ops than standard infantry. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure they do more boarding and infiltration than ground assault on screen.

>>281659816
The ground battles with tanks get side lined early on.
The pre-Series stuff has more ground battles.
It's 90% space lazer battles for the main 110 Eps.
A few hand to hand AXE battles though.

>>281659866
>>space lazer
Funny, the wiki says railguns are a thing. Do we ever see them or anything that looks like a slugthrower being fired and killing? And what use would ship railguns when battles takes in distance measured in AUs? Unless they fire at 50k kilometers per second.

>>281659816
By ground combat I assume you mean a full scale battle, so that's a no. There's small raids on buildings and facilities, space-armor suit on suit battles and you are told a character won a land campaign on a certain planet after the fact.

The OVAs have an arc where the main characters go around inside a tank behind enemy lines, there's a battle at the end but its cut short for the sake of brevity.

>>281659908
I forgot, there's an OVA arc with an extended ground battle scene, tank on tank stuff. The Rosenritter traitor arc for those that don't remember.

>>281659816
It's been a couple years since I watched but I seem to remember some sort of retreating, frenzied ground firefight in a forest. Might be wrong though.

>>sees the original is called an OVA
>>it has like over a hundred episodes
Why is called OVA and not just anime? Aren't OVAs supposed to be short?

The most BASED dude in all of Animie.

>>281659996
The original is the original, it has 110 episodes.

There's an OVA special, about 30 episodes, with arcs that run for 2-5 episodes, that tells prequel histories related to the main characters of the original series. You see it labeled as "Spiral Labyrinth", but I think that's wrong and its just the name of one of the arcs.

>>281659902
Not sure, there's rockets and lazers.
Maybe the Lore says rail guns, but it's not mentioned as far as I remember.

>>281659908
From which episodes, if you remember?

>>281659996
Because it didn't air on TV

>>281659902
If there is railguns, its a book only thing and the anime production chose to just use lasers. There's dog-fighting at close ranges, and the big ships are specially vulnerable to small, mobile aircrafts. Railguns could be used on that scenario.

>>281660090
The OVA storyline (that's what the nyaa torrent called them) is "A Hundred Billion Stars, a Hundred Billion Lights". I don't remember the episodes, there's eight of them. I believe the arc itself is divided in two parts. Its either the first couple episodes or the first episode of the second part, so episode four or five?

Y'know what I like about LOGH's ships? Despite the firepower they carry and the sheer amount of them from each size, they're not all that big (relatively speaking). These are the absolute largest ones, most others are this and 500 meters long.

>>281660177
if logh was made today i bet they'd buff the spartanians since we saw tiny drones blow up entire tanks and planes
i think julian himself blew up one of those med-sized flagships

I'm 40 episodes into this and I have to admit this kind of sucks. It started off somewhat fine without much going for it, after Reinhart died in episode 26 it slowly went down hill (I guess he carried a ton of the weight). All I'm getting from this is the Empire loves making people drink poison and the Alliance is filled with stupid people. None of the characters are likeable and there are moments that I would believe would warrent a full episode but only happen in one minute. The action scenes are not even impressive and for an OVA series you'd expect better animation. The music is also kind of stock and nothing noteworthy. And why does hand to hand combat involve axes when guns are a thing?

>>281659996
To put it simply the most anime of the time were put out on physical media and not formatted for TV. So that's why you see a lot more series in those days just be original video animation.

>>281659996
OVA = original video animation.
It was made for mail order VHS and didn't get a television run until much later.

>>281660272
i would just watch the new one as it uses the time more efficiently

>>281660272
Anon this is a series for people that enjoy seeing two characters talk.

>None of the characters are likeable
Come on now.

The music choice is spot on to set the tone of the series, my favorite is Bolero from Maurice Ravel. Your last point reveals you weren't paying attention: Zephyr particles. It can be made into an odorless gas that ignites if it comes into contact with lasers, that forces low tech and melee weapons use out of troops.

>>281660272
I've heard over the years this series be compared to a documentary or like reading a history book. I have always loved hard sci fi and its some damned good hard sci fi sadly hard sci fi isn't always the more exciting story or action packed. You might try the more recent LOGH which is a little more quicker paced and has a bit more action focused. Shame it hasn't finished the story like the original series though.

>>281660272
Keep watching you impatient fag. You're right before it starts getting in its highs. Season 1 is the worst and the first half of season 2 is just a buildup. In 5-6 episodes from where you are, an all out battle between Empire and FPA, Reinhard and Yang, will begin and go on for some episodes. And then you get to season 3 which is peak anime.
>The music is also kind of stock and nothing noteworthy
>classical music
>nothing noteworthy
Bait.
>None of the characters are likeable
Even bigger bait.
>And why does hand to hand combat involve axes when guns are a thing
Speedwatcher monent. They explained it a billion times.

>>281630681 (OP)
Tried watching it this year but every website had screwed up subs and my moonrunes are not good enough to follow the show

>>281660560
>website

>>281660593
I'm on vacation and don't want to torrent 110 episodes into my laptop from 2008

>>281660601
I understand maybe being concerned about space (the Reaktor release is 23GB), but you know you can download it piece by piece, right? Like 10 episodes at a time.

>>281655721
Cheers to the tomboy girl

Another thing are the fighters: not only are they huge compared to most starfighters (the Walküre, the smaller of the two, is still 25 meters long; the Spartanian is fucking 40), they're unaerodynamic as fuck, as space vessels ough to be.

Why did the Empire go the Goa'uld route for their worlds, down to people dressing like 19th century commoners and living in wooden houses? Even Elite Dangerous' Empire has futuristic cities, and they're based on the fucking romans.

>>281660990
She has sexo voice

>>281661782
>Mitsuishi Kotono
Well, duh.

>>281661161
They've been at war for so long no one even knows how long the war has been going on for. You find out as you watch that the war is draining their economies, doesn't really leave much room to actually develop technology. At its heart the series is very much a nostagia for the old days. I mean they literally wage war using Napoleonic tactics in space. Which is silly in it of itself.

>>281662103
>no one even knows how long the war has been going on for.
150 years.

>>281662103
Doesn't mean they can industrialize. Fuck's sake, even Great Depression Hoovervilles would be better than victorian villages.

>>281630681 (OP)
The middle part was great but I didnt really care for when they handed stuff over to Julian and all the church stuff.

But it was a fun ride. Prosit.

>>281633076
>watching it is more boring than watching paint dry.

One of the unsaid things about LOGH imo is that it only actually gets really compelling around like the 20th episode. Before that I think its too much of the characters having daily tasks and establishing their lives.

>>281631380
>Monster
The ED was cool but yeah that shit entertained Johan too much.

>>281631071
list your non overrated masterpieces

>>281631071
retard

Some weirdo in Youtube compared the nuking of the Westerlands to what's happening in Gaza. Motherfucker there's a difference to kikes killing hamoods because they tried to kickstart Holocaust 2.0 and nuking an entire fucking planet because the people are sick tired of being your slaves.

>>281663917
Post nose.

>>281663917
lol

I watched the OVA twice but could never get around DNT. The fujo designs turn me off too much.

Just read Muv Luv Alternative for POLITICS and even industry. Although it comes with a decent chunk of romcom

>>281665740
No, go read a real political VN like Higurashi.

>>281659562
Reinhard and Kircheis are my homOTP and nothing will take that from me.

I stopped at episode 54 or so because it felt like a perfect ending imo

>>281663917
Nose. Now.

>>281663946
>>281665959
Search LOGH Westerlands nuke and read the comments.

>>281665998
Maybe you should learn a bit more about the (real life, century long) conflict you're discussing before trying to equate or distance it to the (fictional, simple) LOGH plot event

>>281630681 (OP)
it's god awful space slop made for 40 year olds rotting in their dilapidated basements who are nostalgic about the past which no longer exists. also anyone who likes this shit is a pretentious faggot anyway, so just go ahead and kill yourself.

>>281663917
We need battle of Tiamat level casualties on both sides if you ask me.

>>281665938
Based but you should really watch the rest.

>>281633076
This show is overrated as shit but not because it's boring.

>>281666163
I know some things end up tragic for my goat so I pretend he's just chilling out there grilling instead

>>281666042
Name a better space opera. You can't. Hell, name a better anime in general. You can't.

You people are too comfortable overpraising this. It's not and has never been a top series. Grand idea, uninspired execution.

>>281665998
Imagine being a jap, you write a bit on your epic space opera about allowing a nuke to go off for the sake of expedite a war HINT HINT, then a bunch of literal room temperature IQ westerners spill the latest political drivel they saw on their favorite content aggregate streamer.

You think the use of drop pods would make sense?

this is kino

What happens with the non-caucasian prisoners the Empire makes whenever they win a battle?

>>281647815
Start with the original, Mobile Suit Gundam 0079. From there, watch Zeta. Take a break for a while, since there will be major mood whiplash for the next story, ZZ. Finally, watch Char's Counterattack. After that, you can basically watch whatever.

>>281667750
They're sent to the mines, watch Gaiden

>>281647815
>0079: preferably the series but the movie trilogy is acceptable
>War in the Pocket
>08th MS Team
>The Origin OVAs
>Char's Counterattack
Zeta is also a must watch but beware that it's very uneven and downright autistic at points

Never understood why the Inferior Genes act included non-caucasians in the fucking future? Cripples, lames and retards I understand, but perfectly healthy humans?

>>281666600
Its a stretch they work on 40k with magic steel and super-humans. This setting is too grounded for that.

>>281666600
Yeah it does make sense

If I liked lotgh what other anime would I like
Preferrably the same cvategory with comparable length

Y'know, if beam weapons cause Seffle particles to explode, and only beam weapons, wouldn't it be smarter to give marines firearms rather than axes and crossbows? Wonder how long would the Rossen-Ritter last against Colonial Marines, or even modern ones.

>>281637347
And she cucked Reinhard out of the glorious death in battle he wanted.

>>281633076
I have. Twice.

can anyone confirm if the on the very 1st episode we see capital odin main house beneath all that sandy landscape?

How powerful is Thor's Hammer in megaton terms?

>>281670398
The closest thing to it story wise is the 0079 Gundam but it's not on the same level. Terra e is another option - it's like a mix of LoGH and Shinsekai Yori. But really, what you should watch is picrel. That's the only show that can match LoGH.

>>281662103
>manhattan project
>decoding enigma which led to computing
>the allies upgraded their planes with new tech to outperform the Zero which was slaughtering them
>major logistical and production line breakthroughs which allowed the US to industrialize on a major scale

>>281667750
The real question is what happened to non-caucasians when the Empire won.

>>281630681 (OP)
miss this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>281670398
Read muv luv

>>281633076
I watched the original. Some parts certainly did drag on, especially Gaiden - I appreciate what it was trying to do, but come on, it should've been twice as short. But overall, there was enough entertainment in the show to keep watching. I wouldn't say that it's a very intelligent show or anything though, with all of its metaphors and "philosophy" pretty superficial. But it's just a darn good space opera at the end of the day, nothing more, nothing less.
Of course, now I probably wouldn't have gotten through it all and would've at best watched the reboot instead (although, most likely, not even that), but there used to be a time when I had enough energy to get through 150+ episodes without a care in the world. I wish to return to that time.

>>281662314
>One of the unsaid things about LOGH imo is that it only actually gets really compelling around like the 20th episode
I'm currently on episode 17 and it's compelling from the very start IMO. Reinhard and Yang are both really fun to follow and even if they barely show up in some episodes, it'll usually tie back to them somehow.

>>281630681 (OP)
greatest of all timned

How long did it take Hilda to fuck up everything?

>>281674647
A decade at most.

>>281669008
Because they have Inferior Genes, obviously.

>>281631027
frfr it do be like that yall deadass

>>281673182
>but there used to be a time when I had enough energy to get through 150+ episodes without a care in the world. I wish to return to that time.

>>281669008
well anon, why do you think the nazis wanted to get rid of the jews irl?

>>281675355
Hitler didn't do shit against the jews.

>>281675444
there's a romcom or isekai thread you can troll in anywhere else on this board anon

>>281675470
>troll
Yeah sure.
Totally not answering to something someone else bought up.

>>281637713
>>281639457
Part of the true message of logh is that men are slaves to their masculinity and the world would be better off if it were run by women

>>281671935
They do based things

>>281659816
The biggest one is probably the invasion of Earth but one of the side stories has a few episodes of the empire attacking an Alliance base using nothing but ground troops

>>281630681 (OP)
I watched a few episodes but dropped it. The characters were talking about their philosophy too often and for no good, in-universe reason. They felt more like ideological mouthpieces than proper characters half the time. There was zero subtlety. Also, while the world is massive, it feels like only a few main characters have souls. The rest are just shallow caricatures with zero unique qualities, like biological machines.

>>281635957

Ryu's Hilda is so rabidly fujioshi that she crossdresses.

>>281647815
To start
>Original show (0079)
>Zeta
>Double Zeta (beware the big tone shift)
>Char's Counter Attack
>War in the Pocket
After this point you can watch basically whatever in the franchise catches your interest in whatever order you want.

10/10 but I stopped after Reinhard got crowned because I didn't want to see his downfall

>>281680680
His downfall happened when Kircheis died. By the end he got everything he wanted, with nobody even being able to do a single thing about it, but chose not to continue living because his boyfriend wasn't with him.

>>281675355
Because Hitler was a hateful fuck who wanted to kill jews en masse?

>>281680238
>NOOOOO NOT ALL THE CHARACTERS ARE FULLY DEVELOPED BY EPISODE 3 REEEEEEEE
Retard.

>>281639099
DemCent or whatever commie procedure doesn’t matter.
Cultures only follow who they respect.
If they respect philosophers they will follow philosophers, the system will figure itself out from there.
Republican Romans respected greek philosophers, it certainly rubbed off on their leadership.
Then their leadership got infiltrated by Christians and they literally looted philosophy schools (pagan temples) to pay for ugly monstrosities like the hagia sophia.

>>281680238
>If the characters aren't yelling friendship 24/7 then they are soulless!
You have to be 18 to post here

>>281680680
But he never really fell, he was only becoming more and more based...

Sometimes I wonder what would've happened if the Alliance didn't give a fuck abouth the population of the systems they took, rendering Reinhard's scorched earth tactics useless.

>>281630681 (OP)
Not only is this pseud garbage that nobody actually ever watched, it’s basically a live action story that got animated by accident for some retarded reason.

Jokes aside, only homosexuals even shill for this waste of production.

>>281671406
The hell are you even on about? I'm not talking our history I'm talking about the history of LOGH which is fictional.

>>281682765
This ain't HMOFA, get this shit out of here.

>>281682803
Its just a reaction image you don't control a thing.

>>281636715
the writer of the story (Julian) literally just made her up to give himself a hot waifu. she never actually existed. don't trust period historians at face value they lie to make themselves and their patrons look better

>>281637713
Mittermeyer and Julian did, though

>>281670398
Dougram.

>>281681429
>Republican Romans respected greek philosophers,
did they? in the late republic greek influence was seen as a type of foreign degeneracy. all the greatest romans from the rise of the republic period (conquest of italy up to end of the second punic war) predate it.

>>281662314
>they handed stuff over to Julian
Julian is the writer of the story, he gave himself a redhead bombshell and a military career serving Yang when in reality he was probably just well connected and probably someone's buttboy

>>281682925
>someone's buttboy
Yeah, Mashengo's. >>281659562

>>281659816
IIRC one of the prequel arcs was teenagr Reinhard and Kircheis fighting on some frozen shithole but I don't remember what it was about

>>281682867
Funny how the monarchic Empire ended up a meritocracy, whereas the so-called free democratic republic almost instantly became a nepotistic cult of personality.

>>281635957
We got to see Hilde naked, so her.

>>281645011
This is true if you take monarchy as a hereditary feudal institution, which LOGH did base the aesthetics and seemingly even the society on which was pretty retarded. However monarchy in its strictest definition, with the sovereign as encompassed in one, is obviously not incompatible with modern civilization and industry. The most rapid modernizations in history have been under such states, whether Meiji Japan or Stalinist Russia or China (yes the communist general secretaries are a form of a modern monarch). Parliamentarianism found in liberal democracies is a corrupt mess where the different elected figures are far more likely to fall into corruption than a true sovereign. The reason this doesn't hold true for some tinpot dictator in Ngubustan like it does for Russia or China is because said dictators don't actually rule as sovereigns, but essentially as militarily elected warlord-governors on behalf of Europe or America.

>>281682815
This is 4chan, it goes both way, get that shit out of here.

>>281630681 (OP)
33 episodes in and it's great from episode one. Looks like the show was made for INTJ people. But I have to admit pulling the bazooka out of a corpse was a bit too much.

>>281638999
>but thats one of the best parts about LOTGH the real story is that Yang and Reinhard were so evenly matched
Kaiserturds really think that? When Yang simply doing a coup and taking power is a game over scenario for the Empire (and of the Alliance as a democracy)?

>>281638999
Cope. Even reinhard admitted that he could only beat him if he still had Kircheis.

>>281660272
>Reinhart
>died in episode 26
You can't even remember characters names, your opinion is completely worthless

attenborough is cute

>>281654936
Based, I watched it after LoGH and it was way more kino than seeing Reinhardt getting cucked

>But muh geo politics
You mean your shitty retelling of WW2 politics? When we're in fucking space and society hasn't advanced in political terms from fucking WW2?

Yeah, fuck you, this would be Kid A of anime if it wasn't because of Eva.

>>281683819
If only it were so damned easy. I wish I were you.

Ober(((stein))) was clearly showing his colors at the end, especially when Reuenthal died by trying to prove his innocence.

>>281685070
Not like he ever hid his machiavellic way of thinking. Everyone disliked him for a reason.

>>281675572
There is no such thing as a feminine society, you either have a man ruled one or none at all.
Every time women start to get into positions of power in history it's at the end of an empire/society

>>281685459
>every time
EU is doing just fine tho

>>281685459
this
>>281685831
retard

>>281670398
Watch 2010 Three kingdoms.
Similar in spirit.
Also. I wish we had place changed series where MC change their place. Would be fun to watch.

>>281680455
>that sieg

>>281680680
Keep going
Even with running the risk of spoiling you, the OVA ends with him.

>>281685934
>retard
I am, but it is not an argument

>>281682251
>Hello random stranger! Allow me to fully explain to you my entire ideological worldview instead of doing literally anything else, so the audience can learn about it.
This is unacceptable and immersion breaking. Real people don't act like this.

Y'know, the series would've been much more pro-Alliance if their rep was a black or otherwise non-asian/caucasian, considering what the Empire does with non-whites.

>>281686584
Shalom

>>281682907
They weren’t so much as degenerate, more like weak nerds who couldn’t fight. They still respected them for their knowledge however.
The upperclass of roman constantly had greek slaves and freemen as tutors for their kids. If you didn’t have a greek tutor you were basically seen as a poorfag.
Rome from the start had a hellenistic culture.
Many consuls and generals would describe themselves in hellenistic philosophical terms like stoics, cynics, etc.

There was a limit to rome’s indulgence in hellenism, certainly lines in the sand Romans wouldn’t cross and would insist distinguished themselves from the greeks.
But there was an underlying respect for philosophy and wisdom and they found it at least fashionable.
That respect for philosophy lasted all the way up until the 4th century where the empire collapsed and a certain cult took over. Funny coincidence.

>>281686594
Joke's on you, I'm proud of not being a blue-eyed, blonde inbred fucker.

Should I start with episode 1 or watch the films?

>>281686744
Starting with the main series is fine.

>>281686744
I prefer the episodes. Lower Budget = Soul.

>>281686744
I recommend starting with the pilot film, My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars. It takes place before the start of the main series and shows Reinhard and Yang's first engagement. It was produced and released before the main series, and was meant to be watched first.
The next film, Overture to a New War, was a higher budget remake of the first two episodes. A lot of people recommend watching that next and skipping to episode 3 of the OVA, but that's optional. You should watch it eventually, but you don't have to start with it.
Also, skip the next episode previews.

>>281659996
it just means that it wasn't made to air on TV or to be show in cinemas. But produced and directly sold as a piece of media you could buy a copy of, like a VHS or nowadays DVD and bluray.
Original Video Animation, Video as in a video tape.

That's also where the term ONA comes from: Original Net Animation, since they were originally distributed on web platforms.

>>281674016
it definitely gets much more interesting later on.
I agree that the beginning isn't bad, but there's so much to establish and all the important character are still in the process of moving up in the chain of command instead of actually being in charge so it feels very fair to say that the show is very slow to properly get going.

>>281659816
There's ground combat in some of the post-series prequel OVAs
Reinhard and Kircheis first made their names in some ground combat manuevers when they were like 18

>>281687933
The series really needed some grunts as protagonists, it's all politics or space battles (the axe guys don't count, they fill a specific niche and I don't think they'd do well in ground warfare).

>>281630681 (OP)
The best anime

>>281674647
>>281674981
Hilda was better at politics than Reinhard was.

FPA sucks

Liberty stands for freedom..

Just cringed hard after reading this thread. Drenched to the brim by one or two samefag(s) with tryhard antics

>>281630681 (OP)
we know, only trannies dislike this masterpiece

>>281674016
>I'm currently on episode 17 and it's compelling from the very start IMO.
and it will only keep getting better

>>281690120
O, hail the flag that set us free...

>>281670796
Ep 1 is right there on youtube.
It isn't, it's some nondescript ruin with vaguely hieroglyphic writing on some of the walls and pillars. I don't think it matches up to any actual Earth language.

>>281644966
I wish you didn't intentionally skip/forgot to mention ZZ anonie

>>281691341
Even Zeta is a stretch, ZZ is just a bridge too far.

>>281680767
>>281682352
>>281686343
I still felt like the first half of what I watched was better. Or maybe I was getting bored idk. I will give it another go.

Y'know, the Westerlands nuking makes me wonder, does more conventional orbital bombardment take place? Would it be possible with the weapons they use?

This is the only show that lived up to the monumental expectations I had going into it after reading all the hype about it. Damn it was good.

>>281684883
Genuinely embarrassing post, is WW2 really the only war you've ever heard of?

>>281691552
While I think I'll agree with you, there are still some absolute banger moments in the latter parts

>>281691962
the virgin. Nooo you can't nuke a planet to stop a conflict
vs
the chad. Why yes, I did it and had to lie to the blonde brat to do it.

>>281690814
the ep is blocked on my shithole country but yeah it isn't. Still, in my head I like to think they are the columns of the Neue Sanssouci house that surround the Goldenbaum statue

>>281671297
2010 or 1994 version?

>>281684883
I wasn't aware WW2 was an independence war

>>281691654
>parliamentary democracy
>making equal friends
>a trillion times more warlike than any autocracy
>friendship

>>281692402
He did not nuke a planet, he did nothing wrong, he was right.

>>281692402
Did he lie? I don't remember. What about?

>>281692759
2010 (bigger budget and better acting). Every other version - original novel included - is shameless Shu and Liu Bei wank. 2010's Cao Cao is the greatest character in all media.
https://nyaa.si/view/914676

>>281693769
No he did not lie and did not nuke but.

If i recall correctly, it had something to do with a long ass distance interstellar war com/message on the matter, that the best boy deliberately took longer to send to the blond brat. So Reinhard did not have all the info on the matter and he did advice to send the nuke quick, so it went full ahead. After that, Reinhard got mad at best boy questioning himself if there was another way. Just to find once again that best boy was so right, there was no argument possible against him

>>281633076
I watched it three times, lol. Probably will watch more in the future.

>>281693769
In the OVA he sort of lies to trick Reinhard, who was indecisive about letting Westerland get nuked for the greater good. Oberstein intentionally stalls and Reinhard is too late to do anything about it.
In the original novels and most other adaptations, he's up front with his intentions and Reinhard agrees with him. This really starts to show how his thinking wavers closer to Oberstein's ruthlessness and away from Kircheis' empathetic idealism.
In the current manga, Oberstein is up front with his intentions, Reinhard openly disagrees instead of waffling about it, but they both end up getting tricked by those scheming Fezzani anyway and Westerland still gets the nuke.

>>281647815
Gundam isn't good, it isn't worth it.
At least the 2 shows I saw weren't.
G and 00. G was just okay but 00 was absolute 3/10 territory, it was awful and I liked 2 characters max.

>>281634041
True on an individual level, not on a macro level.

>>281692759
1994 version has more soul, better acting, better writing, and is more accurate to both the novel and history. 2010 wanks Cao Cao too hard to the detriment of the true heroes, Liu Bei and his bros. 1994's Zhuge Liang is the greatest character in all television.

>>281661161
Fundamental respect for nature for most citizens.
Also there was a roman planet with an Artemis necklace, not all are the same

>>281636014
Watch the 2010 three kingdom series, maybe you'll like it too, its like 94 episodes, 40 minutes each.

>>281663917
Fucking lmao
It is a pity both sides can't lose

>>281669008
Politically and culturally speaking it is easier to have stability without ethnic chaos - where there is a clear ruling people and the gap between different demographics when it comes to values and morals are not much different.
No matter the time period, this applies, and this is part of the reason many nations collapsed - because they managed this incorrectly.

>>281696185
If both sides lose, everyone else wins.

>>281696329
Seriously, all the parallels in the show to modern day and they pick the stupidest and most nonsensical one they could come up with.
Not shit like pic related happening all over the west biased against one side of politics, not corruption and decadence in the ruling class or a small but financially wealthy third party manipulating events behind the scenes.
No, instead they make a hamfisted comparison about shit that doesn't matter to 99% of people.

>>281696005
>Shu hands typed this post
Also
>is more accurate to both the novel and history
Bullshit. 2010 is more accurate to history. 94 is more faithful to the novel but that is just romanticized Lui Bei wank that depicts the conflict in black/white with Cao Cao as a villain.
>>281692759
2010 hands down. Ignore the Shu wanker troll.

>>281663917
Some janny deleted my reply to this post, probably because I mentioned streamers feeding political lines to retards. Nobody cares about your fake commie streamer AJMFH.

>>281639433
nta but i have trauma from recommending it to multiple people who tried to watch it while multitasking
modern anime watchers are scary to talk to

>>281633962
eh? i thought it was the other way around.

>>281634453
watched it in highschool when having too many credits forced me into an office aide class
i don't think i could reasonably finish it otherwise

>>281639323
That's the quintessential anglosphere post, total bewildered by subtitles. The same type of person that watches anime dubs.

>>281638535
because it was a book first, and also the author has a background in historical studies
btw has anyone checked out tanaka's other works? i thought the seven cities story manga was neat but the scanlation for it is going along really slowly

>>281647815
watch dougram

>>281661161
>>281669008
goldenbaum just had a LARP fetish and he forced it to become culture, i think.

>>281692759
watch the anime

>>281671297
>>281682887
Already watched them all
Well I dropped the live action of Three Kingdoms, does it get better, at what point?
>>281697813
There's an anime version of 3 kingdoms?

>>281698227
yeah it's based off the mitsuteru yokoyama manga
the anime is only adapted up to the battle of the red cliffs though

>>281697236
I get it. I recommended it to someone once who then tried to watch it at 2x speed. That's when I found out he was one of those who watches shit just to mark it off a checklist.
I do not understand these people.

>>281696631
No, 2010 was less accurate to history, retard. 2010 adds a ton of nonsensical moments such as Xiao Qiao helping Zhuge Liang, Emperor Xian's death, and more as well as cutting out important events and people. It also makes a lot of mistakes such as using wrong place names or using anachronistic phrases. One of the main complaints about it is regarding its lack of historical accuracy. The 1994 Three Kingdoms was also autistically accurate when it comes to costumes (apart from the armor), furniture, rites and propriety, and hairstyles. The 2010 version was very inaccurate when it comes to these and had the characters speaking like modern day people and running around with their hair loose. The 1994 Three Kingdoms also uses both the novel and the historical record for portraying characters. Especially Cao Cao, in the 1994 version, he was never purely a villain, and he was portrayed in a very human way and at times, genuinely shows remorse or shows care for his country and subordinates.
>>281692759
Don't listen to this retard >>281696631

>>281699732
Nobody gives a shit about these tiny details unless they are turbo autists like you. As a TV series, 2010 is far and beyond the better experience.

>>281700314
Those are not tiny details, retard, the ahistorical bits take up a lot of screentime and seriously affects the story and characters. For example, Xiao Qiao saving Zhuge Liang is not only something that could not possibly have occurred, but it also cucks Zhou Yu. The ahistorical dialogues and sets are also really obvious for anyone who has even a mild interest in history and really do break immersion.

I simultaneously loved the show but will also agree that it's kinda "boring". Yet it still kept me captivated for some reason. I guess the characters and their conversations just feel way more tangible than in most shows, and it feels like there's weight to everything.

I forgot what number the last episode I watched was so I dropped it

>>281701565
I just checked, you stopped at episode 13. You can resume again from 14, Liberation of the Frontier Zone.

I'll watch both ROTK shows, thanks. I'm surprised though, that the 1994 version still isn't fully subbed and that the second to last batch just got translated a few months ago, god damn.

>>281701565
>>281701644
wrf

>>281696329
wrong

>>281698227
>I dropped the live action of Three Kingdoms, does it get better, at what point?
At that episode/point did you drop it?
>There's an anime version of 3 kingdoms?
Yeah but it only adapts like 40% of the story and has bad animation. It's also another Shu biased adaptation.

>>281633076
It was great until Yang died. It dragged on too much after that. 9/10
Never watched the gaidens, although I want to do it someday.

>>281662314
>I didnt really care for
Same. The church stuff was retarded.

>>281630681 (OP)
MAL larp series

Do you guys like how non-futuristic the show feels?

>>281696005
This. The original version is almost like a documentary, one of the top Chinese video media.
>>281694149
It is fresh for sure, but Cao Cao was a Machiavellian villain and Liu and his bros are model Confucianist idealists ever inspiring through East Asia. That's just how it is, that's what RoTK is about.

>>281703981
's alright. i feel like trying to hard to be futuristic makes sci fi works very dated

>>281633076
It's an OVA with more than 100 episodes. Of course it had an audience otherwise it'd never have gotten anywhere close to the end. OVA market is even more cruel than the modern seasonal tv anime.

Why do libtards love yang wen li

I'd root more for the Empire if they were based on the romans and had non-white characters, but as it is they're prussians with Reich undertones and racists shits who also attacked the Alliance first. I hope Hilde gets killed and a republic is formed.

>>281703981
I like it. LOGH is more of a historical military romance in space than a sci-fi, so it fits. I also think the 19th century European aesthetics are cool, and if I were Emperor of all mankind, I would RETVRN to that as well.

>>281684883
brainlet

>>281697514
I liked Tytania despite not caring for the anime style, sucks that it's never going to be finished ever.

>>281701250
it's dry, not boring

>>281707596
it's weird how it turned out like that when artland was there for quite a few episodes of LoGH... maybe it was a staff thing?

>>281704675
>that's what RoTK is about
That's what the fanfiction novel is yes, not how the reality was.

>>281684883
fucking hell americucks are so brainwashed that the only wars that matters to them is WW2 and Vietnam

>>281708516
My guess is Tytania was kind of a hard sell so they decided to go with a style targeted towards fujos since they were already familiar with LoGH and had the money to spare.

>>281696154
Second this, its on nyaa. Its /tv/ kino.

>>281638892
>Every leader of a non-democracy in fiction is Hitler

>>281703981
Its part of the charm. Like how "modern" DeusEx looked at the time. And as some anon said, it ages better.

>>281703981
eh
I recently reread all gibson novels
his new stories switched from his old cyber post fall of usa and weird tech into modern alternate earth and its suck

>>281653753
>>281655226
Char would never

>>281684231
>>281684277
Yang would defeat anyone in the Empire if both sides had the same fleet size.

>>281630681 (OP)
The history channel episodes make me snoozy

>>281670398
The Rose of Versailles

>>281708967
That's every "enemy of democracy" ever, you're painted as hitler. They think he's the bad guy when he was in fact a hero humanity needed.

>>281711854
Hitler was just a dood. A politician even.

>>281708967
He's talking about Rudolf von Goldenbaum, who is very obviously meant to be space hitler.

>>281710787
too gay

>>281680680
I was rooting for Yang but I also considered stopping there for the same reason but since it was a "historical" anime I wanted to see what History had in store for them.

>>281670398
All the old Yamato shows and films
Harlock
Hidamari no Ki
There's Sangokushi anime films too.

>>281703981
I like it

>>281710337
Kircheis might be the one exception, but he died before we got a chance to find out.

>>281701165
Too much kino in one image

>>281701165
Too much cringe in one image

>>281691654
Exactly the right amount of kino in this image. Not too much and not too little. Just right.

>>281691654
Exactly the wrong amount of kino in this image. Too much and too little. Just wrong.

>>281717147
It would be a stalemate.

>>281717147
It would be one sided

>>281655721
space german rapebaby asuka is mai waifu

>>281686163
18stein looks like an AoT character

>>281686163
2018 version is so much worse

>>281686163
the only things I like better than the OVA designs are the imp uniforms in 2018, and Michihara's Oberstein and Cazzelnu.

>>281721531
I actually started with the 2018 version and I ended it dropping it, the fujo style was too distracting. Im going to give it another try with the OVA instead

>>281633076
I watched it and watched all of 3 kingdoms directly afterwards.

>>281722222
>those quints
Holy based!

>>281722222
checked and based, deserved quints

>>281708573
Wrong, read Records of the Three Kingdoms. Liu Bei was genuinely virtuous and cared about his people. Cao Cao was an excellent leader but oftentimes cruel and treacherous. The novel was written in that manner because history was that way.

>>281722222
Prosit!

>>281686163
OVA takes the cake

>>281708967
hopefully

>>281710509
>>/x/

>>281633076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc4uZcLfukQ
At first I was deterred from watching it since I don't actually like scifi or any of what it was selling until I stumbled upon pic related and after a few drinks I gave it a try. I committed the whole week just binging through it and it's one of my favorite series of all time. The memes, the style and world building, the politics and all the pseudo BS and IRL shit it has going made it unforgettable and somehow funny and cool characters that made their moments solidified in my memory. It's not for everyone but once you get into it's continuity and pacing it's almost addicting as the alcoholism it induced onto me.

Also >>281662314
I agree it starts off slow because it's introducing people and it comes off as stale but once you get to the nitty gritty you start to appreciate the characters more and the politics intensify. I was completely hooked as soon as the empire civil war started.

>>281691757
Its analogous to WW2 in ships and scale. Not so much in Tactics and politics. Anon wasn't exactly wrong.

It’s been almost 40 years. Anime has never produced another man like him. Perhaps it never will.

>>281635957
Freddy was honestly kind of useless, but she was super moe. Hilda was a total square but she was a very successful career woman. Touch choice.

>>281692759
2010 version is unironically the greatest television series ever filmed and strangely is a good comp for LOGH

>>281630681 (OP)
Combine lotgh characters and gundam action and you'd have the perfect space opera.

>>281725161
When I watched this scene for this first time, I literally, unironically yelled HOLY FUCKING KINO at the top of my lungs. My neighbors later asked me if everything was okay.

>>281633076
>didn't pay attention
>Episode 84

The only real flaw and it's minor is that Julian isn't as good as a character as Yang was, but you're already 2/3rds of the way in and the other characters make up for it.

Democracy was a mistake

Things I would change:
>Julian OP plz nerf. He's a politician, admiral, fighter pilot and marine at like 17. Pick two.
>The final FPA leadership should be more of a yang gang committee than a Julian solo act. Flesh out the FPA niggas more.
>Terraists are gay and lame and hey make Rubinski gay lame by proxy. Either make them cool, or cut their runtime drastically + decouple Phezzan from them.
>Give Jessica, Frederica and Hildegarde each a different hairstyle and hair color pl0x.
>Also keep picrel around for the rest of the story, she's cool. A couple more scenes with the tomboy and the architect guy wouldn't hurt either.
>De-retard the space aspects to at least tolerable levels. If nonfiction is a 1 and star wars a 10 on the scifi retardation scale, logh is like a 15. I'm specifically thinking of ships "hitting the wall of the iserlohn corridor" but there's more.
Anyway 10/10 show I'm mad there's only like 160 episodes total.

>>281722222
>>281723188
powerful...

>>281727074
>>Julian OP plz nerf. He's a politician, admiral, fighter pilot and marine at like 17.
to be fair, reinhard became emperor of nearly all of mandkind at 25.

>>281701165
why's ahiru in this 3 times

>>281727074
I can stomach Julian since at least they at least shows how insecure he is and how much he struggles internally. Not that it excuses how he aces everything, but hey, he learned from the best.
Definitely agree with wanting more of the FPA gang as a whole operating to fill the void Yang left.

What is the link for the OVA nyaa torrent? I see like 13 an idk which is the best version

>>281727975
true, but
1) his whole character and narrative purpose is about being the once in a thousand years wunderkind napoleon/alexander type
2) he's "just" a politician and an admiral, he can't into melee or dogfightan the way julian can. tbf Rein is better at those two things but specialisation comes easier.
The real alexander was a politician, strategist, and a cavalryman. But even he didn't do infbro shit so Julian still has him beat by one
>>281728034
I think it would be interesting if one of the skills to drop from Julian's character sheet was strategy despite his main mentor being miracle Yang. Thematically it would be like, the lessons Julian took to heart were the things that actually matter like Yang's philosophy and not the military stuff that he just did as a job and didn't care for despite his aptitude. You know what I mean?

>>281728551
I see Julian having not only Yang but great part of the FPA crew as his mentors. He took a bit of everyone and that's what made him special.
Though I definitely agree that him excelling at all those tasks is a bit much even if he learned from the very best in said areas. Good part of those "lessons" were even more of a osmosis sort of deal.

>>281728798
>>281728551
Did Yang ever even give Julian lessons on strategy? I think every scene with them is just discussing politics and history. And none of the other 2 competent FPA admirals interacted much with Julian.

>>281728095
Go onto internet archive, look for the laserdisc subbed version, download the torrent from there.

>>281728929
A lot of it is implied or just my headcanon since we often see Julian participating in 1:1 talks and the like. We know he wouldn't just sit idle and was often studying (history lesson episodes).
But having him constantly sitting down to read a book or asking about ideal dog fighting techniques wouldn't make for very good scenes.

>>281727074
>pick two
He obviously has to do politics cause Frederica is out of the game and there's nobody else in the FPA able to. Plus the confrontation with Rein is important.
Between piloting and foot combat, he should be doing foot combat. One because it gives him more time with the guy whose daughter he ends up with, two because along with politics it gives him the two opposite extremes of how personal war is, and three because he only does piloting two or three times and the only important scene that would be dropped is when he talks with the guy on the doomed carrier.

>>281729294
he has to do foot combat so he can be there for yang's death

>>281726233
cute

What historical events should I start learning about if this anime got me interested in history?

>>281729659
Europa the last battle
The greatest story never told

>>281729659
Roman history.
Unbiased History of Rome on youtube is kino. There is a big jump in quality once the Caesar episode happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EOzr15h8S8&list=PLp5VE4P1YBhc05cDqiOazzTTu1WSh8MHg&index=1
I'd post a chud meme but I don't think they belong on /a/

>>281633076
I watched it, though somewhere around episodes 55-65 it just slows to a crawl. Major slog in the middle. Picks back up again by the end.

>>281729659
For stuff reminiscent of this anime you want the Kingdom or Prussia, Napoleonic wars, and then continue following whatever caught your interest into the beginning of the Belle Époque. Also consider Rome, the best part is the late republic and transition into empire. If you are a weeb and want some glorious nippon history (repeated 100 times) start with the Bakumatsu period and follow through until the end of the Boshin War. If you wan the undisputed best that history has to offer, go with the Chinese Civil War, Cultural Revolution, and everything in-between.

>>281729659
Martin Luther King on the jews and their lies

>>281728983
>laserdisc
thank m8, found it and if anons want it the link is this one
>https://archive.org/details/LOGH-LD-CA

>>281729659
Seconding the greatest story never told.

>>281730160
kek, what board is that from?

>>281730553
>>>>/vg/
/twg/ total war general

>>281730553
/total war general/ when /eastern asia genocide general/ invaded during peak of TW Three Kingdoms release

>>281729659
Whatever you end up learning, make sure to always do your own research and check whatever sources are being cited, especially if you're learning your "history" from YouTube niggers. There's a lot of grifters out there taking advantage of people's legitimate interests in history to push their own ideologies.

>>281729659
this anon >>281731187 is right, the clearest red flag is if the person immediately and harshly starts judging the actions or beliefs of the people at that time comparing it with current ones derailing the "lesson"

>>281731236
So I shouldn't call Julius Caesar a cuck for forgiving his enemies?

It's nice to have character driven stories that feature grown men and with very few women around to cause unnecessary drama.

>>281731261
forgiving your enemies is just politics. I don't think Caesar was very happy about it either.

>>281731401
yup

>>281730024
i never got what they were sitting on in this image

these novel covers rule

>>281727074
The thing about the terraists is that they are so close to being a really interesting faction, but they are wasted by making them a generic cult. Their presence in the fpa and phezzan are pretty well thought out and logical. A movement dedicated to restoring Earth has common cause with the government fighting against its current neglectful rulers. Caring about man's history and homeworld should get some sympathy from Yang, the only man in the fpa to care about history, but he should ultimately be against them. Their actions in the empire don't make any sense though. They should be against the Goldenbaum dynasty and be trying to get Reinhard on their side. They talk about potentially getting Annerose to convert to influence Reinhard, even directly referencing Constantine and his mother iirc, but end up just bombing everyone instead. They should be weaker in the Empire anyway, basically just having their temple on earth and way fewer imperial followers due to the empire still having a religion, they actually do worship Odin, they aren't completely secular like the alliance. Just wasted potential all around. Earth deserves to be destroyed for their stupidity.

>>281684883
>When we're in fucking space and society hasn't advanced in political terms from fucking WW2?
>this retard thinks politics changes
Power is very simple, when you get right down to it.

>>281735962
>and be trying to get Reinhard on their side
This is a common pitfall among those types though, and it has lots of parallels in today's world, but basically cultists have an inherent debuff against discerning truth and paving a way forward. They're doomed from the beginning, many such cases.

Were the books fully translated

yang is a faggot

>>281737060
The main series is all translated but not any of the side stories

>>281638583
reinhard is aware that just because someone decends from a great man, doesn't make them a great man. that's the whole reason behind the centuries of decline in the goldenbaum dynasty.
people who can only boast their their great grandfather was important, have nothing remarkable they can personally say about themselves.
reinhard was fully open to someone more competent than him usurping the throne as he did if they can think they can pull it off.

>>281634453
it's not that much when you consider that the average shonentard anime goes on for hundreds more episodes than that and it seems most people were able to get through that without problem.
or in terms of anime cours, that's only like watching 10 anime. i'm watching 5 shows this season alone.

>>281703981
i think it's better than shows that tried to guess what the future would be like. i've been watching some scifi anime from the 70s~90s, and their depictions of the future feel a lot more dated than logh that just went fully in the opposite direction.

wen li is the worst character of all time

wen li is the best character of all time

wen li is the mid character of all time

>>281638583
>rare

>>281740139
>>281740205
>>281741562
Yang's entire thing is his belief in democracy forces him to always fight with one hand tied behind his back. If he was actually in Reinhard's position he would've stomped FPA so easily show wouldn't make it to 24 episode mark.

>>281742794
it's ironic that by becoming a temporary dictator(like the roman republic would do in times of need) he could have saved the FPA and restored democracy. but it went against everything he believed in, and he couldn't guarantee he himself wouldn't become a julius caesar who kills the republic for good.

>>281742794
Well yeah, he was in Reinhard's position during the aborted national revolution orchestrated by Frederica's father. And he curbstomped them by conquering the capital planet.

>>281743184
>a julius caesar who kills the republic for good.
lel, lmao
he was last man that could save it

>>281742794
>>281743184
this is why rotk is an essential companion piece to logh
it doesn't matter wether or not wen li becomes emperor, things going to shit for the FPA really hinges on how long edwin fischer lasts (or in shu's case, zhuge liang)

>>281633076
Guaranteed replys

>>281633076
I watched it 7 times between 2008 and 2014 (I dropped my 8th rewatch somewhere around episode 50 and haven't rewatched LOGH since). It's the perfect anime if you're the type of person who likes Paradox's map painting games.

>>281743696
he had no intention of saving the republic, you can say rome, but not the roman republic. a guy who manuevers to have himself declared dictator perpetuo clearly has 0 intention of restoring the democratic processes.
and in the end it was pointless, because a civil war in caesars name was made which ended in carsar's heir octavian assuming the monarchist power for himself.

>democracy bad
>dictatorship good
woah such a deep story written by an asshurt japanese imperialist

for the guy that just bumped the thread (not giving you (You)s), I do think there are some cases when you just cant give democracy if they don't deserve it or at least are prepared mentally for it. Hell I would give my current democracy right now if Im sure the next dictator/monarch will do a better job. But at the end everything defaults to human nature. For example anyone here that has attended a Homeowners' Association Meeting at least once will understand

>>281744220
That's pretty much what it is yeah but that doesn't mean the criticism of democracy and the plot aren't interesting. Even if it's lost among hundreds of hours of the writer wanking his garytsu emperor husbando.

>>281744492
>give democracy
>deserving it
It's amazing how americans can be so gross sometimes. Should the countries you bombed and disrupted politically thank you on their knees for the parody of self determination or is that optional

The scenes where Reinhard drops his spaghetti trying to date Mariendorf are some of the funniest ever animated.

>>281744604
>That's pretty much what it is yeah
No, it isn't, you dumbass. How is the central question of LOGH "is the best dictatorship ever preferable to the most dogshit failed democracy?" not insanely pro-democracy premise?

>>281735962
I like them conceptually too. Between cutting them from the story and making them a proper faction, I'd prefer the latter. Seems weird that they're the only faction to just be 100% bad guys that end up completely wiped out.
Even Phezzan fares better despite getting fully annexed. If there is a Phezzani culture besides jewing people, that culture would heavily influence the empire going forward as the Phezzani will massively outnumber the imperial officials and nobles in the new capital. If it was the FPA that took them over, their culture would get strangled by new migrants, but the empire won't be very big on mobility for the 99% even after Rein's reforms.
Meanwhile terraists just got gunned down in the streets.

>>281726988
democracy always fails

>>281648777
>>281655570
Are the official subs good enough or is there a release I should look for? I saw a lot of different series being suggested, do each of those have a "definitive" version or is there a group that did most of them?

>>281731261
Caesar showed mercy because he needed to show the plebs of Rome that he wasnt another Sulla going on a rampage. And it paid off he became even more popular and powerful because of it but it also cost him his life..

>>281726988
seconding martin luther's work
idk why faggot deleted it

>>281630681 (OP)
I really did not expect my country to be randomly mentioned in the anime. I guess it makes sense our people joined the rebel army and not the space nazis since we're not Germanic.

>>281743762
I still don't believe any of the people that replied to me. I refuse.

>>281630681 (OP)
I'm surprised I still haven't been spoiled on this yet. I know it'll be good I just don't feel like watching something that long.

>>281745824
Central Anime subs are the fansubs and what most people use for memes, but the official subs are just fine.
A big issue with the official release is that they didn't include the nameplates for some reason.

>>281746571
Didn't know that existed and never heard of it. Looks lovely, nice

>>281729659
>>281746227

>>281747802
I meant Gundam. Unless they also worked on that but I can't find it on the usual site.

I've had the OVA on my harddrive for about 100 years and now they're remaking it I see.
Which is better? I assume the old one has more filler.

>>281749641
>Which is better?
The OVA is better by far.
>I assume the old one has more filler.
There's like, 2 episodes of filler that are taken from the prequel novels. 2 out of 110.

>>281749641
Old

>>281680957
>painter who looks like Hitler
>completely dodges all the chaos, combat, and bloodshed and survives the series
What did they mean by this?

>>281749149
Sorry, no idea. I'm a physicalfag so I just watch those raw or with the official sunrise subs.

>>281745824
Central Anime subs are the good official subs. Ignore anything else.

>>281750857
It does say they worked on Gundam X but doesn't say anything about the other Gundam series.

>>281749702
where can i find it without the redrawn scenes?

>>281633076
Yang is a cutie

>>281636014
This is something that Napoleon did, at least that's the tale.

how the fuck is this thread so active
you zoomshits were born yesterday

>>281753031
That would be the laser disc version

>>281753031
>>281728983

>>281753644
why

>>281729659
Just binge watch history channels
On youtube for the 'safer' Free Planets Alliance content but the closer an event is to today you would have to go to non globoapproved websites like odysee. Even bitchute removed documentaries that favour the empire.

>>281729659
Since anime is what got you interested in history, I'd recommend approaching history through people instead of events. Find out who are the interesting people and learn about their life. It's less dry that way for someone who's just getting into history. Just google a list of great conquerors and generals and start from there.

so are they going to continue the new version? I enjoy it. But I don't mind if they don't continue it. I don't want to see Yang go out like that again

>>281753031
>>281728095
https://nyaa.si/view/1573154

>>281747320
Don't read the thread then. All the major deaths and events have been spoiled.

>>281749822
>>281757881
I'm a hair fetishist with a kink for 70s shojo manga curly hair so I don't see a point in the new version continuing either.

>>281639015
>Real democracy hasn't been tried!
>>281743184
>>281744134
The only way Rome could be saved is by removing the (((democracy/republic)))
Every society that has tried the jewish system inevitably fails with degeneracy and women in power.
>>281742794
Yang is a faggot

>>281753644
>young people dont watch and enjoy old media
>ree zoomies tik tok they have no attention span etc
>young people watch and enjoy older media
>ree zoomers how did you not already see and discuss this media that was made lik a decade plus before you were born

Why are millenials such massive faggots?legit question.

>>281725798
The two best characters of all anime come from the same series. Poetry.

>>281634453
there's a decent point to stop around halfway through, that's what I ended up doing and took a break of a couple months

>>281759257
Disillusionment?

sieg mein kaiser

sieg mein kaiser

>>281745047
>How is the central question of LOGH "is the best dictatorship ever preferable to the most dogshit failed democracy?" not insanely pro-democracy premise?
It's clearly pro imperialism to me especially when the fucking empire wins everything in the end, and the only concession made to the FPA is fucking constitutionalism of all things. I'm not sure what you're smoking. I don't know what a pro democracy premise would be but at the very least if you want to put democracy in a good light you don't pit it against the best dictatorship ever or choose this particular set up for a story. Get real for a second.

Imperialchads won. Cope.

>>281760311
>And yet Julian and his companions chose democracy anyway. Refusing to grant absolute power even to a genius like Reinhard von Lohengramm, the kind seen only once every few centuries, a group of unremarkable individuals would feel their way forward through trial and error, searching for better ways to produce better outcomes. That was the Long March that Ahle Heinessen had chosen, and Yang Wen-li had inherited.
>Marshal Wolfgang Mittermeier stepped out into the provisional palace’s garden with Felix in his arms. The storm was over at last, but an unseasonal coolness still filled the summer air and froze the starlight. When dawn came, the kaiser’s death would be announced to the public and preparations for the state funeral would begin.
i thought it ended on a note that implied it's inevitable that democracy is going to rise again. reinhard is dead, a once in a few centuries great leader, which means the empire is now back on the path of slow decline, while a spark of democracy from yang's legend lives on the same way Heinessen's created the spark that lead to the FPA existing in the past.
i guess it also plays into the theme of history repeating.
>The legend ends, and history begins…

>>281760311
The show spells it out for you million times that Reinhard is once in a billion years miracle of the universe and that after Reinhard is dead it's basically Russian roulette whether everything will go to shit with the next ruler or the ruler after that.
>if you want to put democracy in a good light you don't pit it against the best dictatorship ever or choose this particular set up for a story.
It's not about putting democracy in a good light. LOGH takes it for granted that democracy is better than dictatorship and that everyone in the audience agrees. That's why the question is "is the best dictatorship preferable to the worst democracy?" and that's why you have to make the FPA suck and the Empire great (once Reinhard takes the reins).

>>281760148
sieg heil

>>281760311
>if you want to put democracy in a good light you don't pit it against the best dictatorship ever
That is what you should do if you want to argue for something, putting it against an objectively shitty autocracy would just be petty and pointless, like every dime a dozen "I AM SILLY" webcomic or propaganda piece that just beats on a straw man for its opposition.

>>281761341
this, imagine if the series was the fpa vs the lippstadt league, there wouldn't even be a debate, objectively these fuckups were the most unqualified people to lead anything.

>>281761245
>>281760151
Heil Hitler

>>281638892
>>281762572
>>281760148
Too many simillarities between them
both were loved by the people
The cult hated them and did everything in their power to take them down.

>>281758450
You know it's coming and yet it still shocks you somehow.

>>281758450
>>281763827
It should have been me

>>281725798
But every new mc today is like him?
>you must obey always
>>281763771
>>281760148
In episode 91 we could see Roman salutes.
Sieg Mein Kaiser Reinhard!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKuuvboe1lU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIl95FHsuy8

>>281630681 (OP)
Manga translations!?

>>281729778
>>281636481
>>281735962
The real enemy of the people wasn't the galactic empire nor the free planets alliance but Phezzan, Rubinsky and the bolshevik jews oops I meant Terraists who instigate wars and profit from prolonged hate on both sides.
https://odysee.com/@Anon:96/TheGreatestStoryNeverTold:d

>>281631027
>>281631027
>>281631380
>>281633303
>>281634023

>>281760654
>The show spells it out for you million times that Reinhard is once in a billion years miracle of the universe and that after Reinhard is dead it's basically Russian roulette whether everything will go to shit with the next ruler or the ruler after that.
So fucking what? It's still what the writer chose to focus on. The story doesn't end when democracy ends or when Yang dies, it ends when Reinhard dies.
>It's not about putting democracy in a good light. LOGH takes it for granted that democracy is better than dictatorship and that everyone in the audience agrees.
??? Where did you even get that idea, sounds like projection to me.
>That's why the question is "is the best dictatorship preferable to the worst democracy?" and that's why you have to make the FPA suck and the Empire great (once Reinhard takes the reins).
It's still a question only an imperialist would ask, nobody else would bother examining it or value efficiency of the state to the point they would deprive people of representation and self determination. There are some questions you do not ask because you enable them, and for me this is one of them.

>>281760452
>i thought it ended on a note that implied it's inevitable that democracy is going to rise again.
Undoubtedly but it's still gonna be corrupt and inferior to life under Reinhard, no doubt. That's the part the show demonstrates. It's essentially the fantasy of a guy who wanted to live life while Napoleon alive.

>>281761341
In an essay yes but in propaganda it's the opposite.