Thread 281733417

Is the hate justified, or is it just overreacting millennial faggots?

>>281733417 (OP)
First season is good until the second half.
Second season was bad.
The most recent series was interesting. A little long not for everyone but it at least tried to vary things up. I never did watch any of the movies. The image is me when ever a main line sword art online season comes out.

>>281733417 (OP)
The first season was good because Kirito was so relatable. SAO became terrible the second Kirito had sex with Asuna because I was no longer able to relate to him

>>281733417 (OP)
It was already getting shat on by the time the second season came out, newfaggot.

>>281733417 (OP)
How many times are you going to make this thread, you faggot?

>>281733417 (OP)
The hate was justified at the time, but the absolute state of the industry has gotten so much worse in the past 10+ years that it's easy to be nostalgic for a time when things were only kinda bad instead of completely fucked.

It was so much like .hack// people believed the rumors that this was originally a .hack// fanfic even though that isn't true. Derivative rubbish.

>>281733417 (OP)
It's better than at least 90% of modern isekai.

>>281733417 (OP)
yes, it went to shit when they got out of the game and the series overstayed its welcome

The man can't design video games. I think there's some leeway here and there but overall I look at the product and I think about how nobody would want to engage with it if it were real.

>>281733417 (OP)
a lot of the hate is just anime hipsters or people who grew up and want to dunk on what they liked at 14. not saying it's great, but it's not the worst thing ever. definitely not worth the rabid frothing it gets

Better than the abortion that is SAO abridged

>>281734799
I disagree, the Aincrad arc is absolute dogshit, but Alfheim Online and Phantom Bullet are mediocre and Mother's Rosario is decent.
Ordinal Scale is also dogshit, but the point is that the show actually improves after the first arc.

>>281733417 (OP)
Justified completely, so many titles are better than this overly popular slop

Truly bad shows don't have people talking about them this much.

>>281733417 (OP)
It's fine. I find the hate so weird.

i liked it a lot. alicization was crazy good, and the point where i starting liking this series more

>>281735311
>dogshit
>zoomer alert
Learn a new word already, low iq redditor.

>>281735323
but it's better than neon trash garbage tho

>>281733417 (OP)
it came out right when yt video essays became a thing.
Before that anime was largely discussed in forums and yt was only a minor thing, maybe a few shows were streamed. The actual anime discussion culture only started around 2013, so it was an unfortunate coincidence that sao came out right when faggots could make their voices public the loudest.

The guy who started the hate has transitioned btw, along with many of his co-haters.

the game aspect of it was so fucking bad it couldn't take it seriously also the retarded rape stuff was cringe because she's literally the 2nd most powerful character in the game and le kirito is le better so he wins?

gun gale is fun though and the sky fantasy shit was horrible

the spin off is actually kino though desu

>>281734698
During SAO's release battle harems were still popular, which also weren't exactly the pinnacle of high quality anime.

>>281737486
They call it isekai nowadays.

>>281733417 (OP)
SAO has the same problem stuff like Star Wars the Last Jedi has were it’s impossible to talk about because there’s too much of a culture war for wanting it to be good or bad.

>>281737503
niggas will call it trash, but won't explain why its trash other than being a low iq nitpicker or saying things that a pseudo-intellectual would say

>>281733417 (OP)
I don't think there's any issue acknowledging SAO for what it is. People still have fun with it because it is relatable and presented in a satisfying way. There are parts of SAO that I really enjoy and parts of it that I think are just total shit.

However going out of your way to lead a hate campaign towards it out of spite is tranny behavior. And what a coincidence that the guy who originally tried to lead that hate campaign eventually trooned out.

>>281733417 (OP)
Yes, it's pretty bad and influenced a lot of anime that is even worse

>>281737503
Who the flying fuck argues TLJ is good

>>281733417 (OP)
Americans and redditors hate it.

>>281737709
My ex girlfriend likes this and she's neither redditor nor american.

>>281737755
Based girlfriend.

>>281737801
*ex-girlfriend

>>281734698
I have never met someone who says stuff like this that actually watches anime.

It's painful to see people LARP when SAO was routinely called pretty shit as it was airing, especially when one can go into the archives and find posts like this from back when it was just an LN.

>>281737676
>Who the flying fuck argues TLJ is good
You'd be surprised anon

>>281737996
This also isn't to say "Oh, everyone hated SAO right away", it was an /a/ cult classic when it was an LN to the degree where it was on troll charts, but LN threads would be populated by about 20 guys. It's the least popular format here, and always has been, especially in the days when you were waiting weeks for bt to translate one chapter.
It is funny to see posts saying it went to shit at Fairy Dance I suppose.

>>281733417 (OP)
SAO has problems. Tons of them. However usually when I see SAO haters they are regurgitating 10 year old animetuber talking points which aren't even accurate

>>281737996
Archives are dead pre 2009 what are you talking about?

>>281733417 (OP)
Its wish fulfillment was just kinda annoying. Kirito and Asuna were too much of a perfect couple on top of every other girl wanting Kirito's dick. You need a little drama among the different sexes to prevent this, like in Re:Zero Subaru constantly teetered between everyone tolerating him to everyone wishing he would just leave until he was finally accepted. MCs like Kirito or Rudeus just sorta show up and their lives are perfect from day one, and that's just bad writing because on a human level we like to see struggle. Perfection is boring. Even if you could snap your fingers and live the ideal fantasy existence, you'd eventually add artificial struggle in your world simply because not having any would be so fucking boring.

>>281738224
>Archives are dead pre 2009
SAO barely had TLs back then, so that's still a good timeframe.
Additionally, archives are sporadic pre-09, not dead.
Doesn't mean much though, since the first recorded instance of someone talking specifically about SAO was in 2010.

>>281733417 (OP)
I watched it, it's okay. It popularized LitRPG genre, so there's that. I heard that Alicization arc is dragged out too much, too edgy and generally suck ass, tho.

>>281738249
Is this why I had to see flashbacks in mushoku S2 where the fat loser was crying for like half of an episode?

>>281738224
old.sage.moe has pretty much everything from 2004 to 2013-2014, without pictures.

>>281738367
>old.sage.moe has pretty much everything from 2004 to 2013-2014
Not really, it's missing a LOT from the time period, hence why I said it was sporadic. It gives a good general idea, primarily for 2006-08, but if you open a thread it's going to be a mostly incoherent mess.

>>281733417 (OP)
garbage but funny but garbage

>>281733417 (OP)
Raildex died for this shit to succeed, so I will never not be mad.

>>281738439
>Rail
No one cares about your anime about girls talking with each other

>>281737996
Why should I give a shit some senile old boomer's opinion?

lol, if AI is supposed to take over the world, then why does it think I want to watch an hour long video essay about something everyone already knows when I was just listening to some anime OPs?

>>281733417 (OP)
>Wife sends me video of some hater sao shit
>Says please watch and tell me what you think
>Start video
>Nigger starts of with "we all know it's bad and I have used it for negative comparisons since I started my channel"
>Ok
>I haven't watched it since middle school
>Check timestamp
>34 seconds into the video
>Pause
>Check comments for timestamps for specific arguments
>Literally every single critique is resolved or explained in the show if you have an IQ north of 95
I have come to the conclusion the >erm actually sao bad videos from 2014 are all most of these people know of SAO. And no I am not saying SAO is high art or anything. It's dumb fun romance story

>>281738457
Rail sucks. Index is better

I like the GGO spinoff
Clarence a cute

>>281738507
'Duhh this isn't realistic' is bottom barrel tier shit critique but even then most of the comments on that video complaining about the mechanics of SAO were people who had never played a pre-WoW non themepark MMO

>>281735766
the absolute extent of the fantasies /v/irgin squatters invent for themselves to justify their delusion that they're the oldfags
2013 was when the dub for SAO aired, and that's why you started seeing the video essays fill up your recommendation feed instead of call of duty trickshots or skyrim lore or whatever gaymers watch

>>281733417 (OP)
When SAO came out in 2012, it was considered garbage compared to all the good anime airing around that time
When you compare SAO to the average anime in 2024-2025 SAO is basically a masterpiece 10/10, thats how garbage modern anime is

TLDR; zoomers consume shit

>>281733417 (OP)
>Is the hate justified
absolutely
its one of the worst series ever written

>>281738555
The amount of people who said SAO is poorly written bacause "this time in wow" proves to me that they are either so retarded they don't understand timelines or they are so ignorant it doesn't matter

>>281738576
I think lots of people aren't aware that it was written in like 2001

do you think her shorts got sweaty and she had to peel them off with a shllliiiiick sound haha

>>281738589
That was my point yeah. If you can't bother to Google when it came out why the fuck are you so opinionated about something you don't understand the cultural context of when it came out?

>>281738507
I think the second half of season 1 was so weak, that people's memory of the show is stuck there.

for me its Lisbeth

>>281738558
Reactionary /v/irgin cope
>Ok ok maybe SAO bad, but still oldgoodnewbad
>2010s is old btw

>>281738627
Vast majority of complaints I saw were centered around aincrad but again were explained in aincrad or the start of fairy dance. One guy asked how Argus wasn't sued into he ground... They were retard they just didn't spend 39 minutes explaining in detail the legal procedure behind it. Some other guy was crying that it is unrealistic of people to bully silica and saying everyone would have a pet... Ignoring the fact pets were extremely rare and the healing effect was inferior to kiritos auto healing WHICH WAS SHOWN IN SAME FUCKING EPISODE

>>281733417 (OP)
Vastly over hated by people who don't really know what they are talking about to fit in or nit picking which is applicable to 98% of anime. If you loath SAO you loath anime.
For the record the anime leaves a shit ton to be desired but the LN is pretty fun

>>281738790
>>281738649
Based Lisbeth kang. I am always glad to see you around

>>281738612
I miss when that was considered a perfect butt 10 years ago
Now is all american/black shit

>>281733417 (OP)
The more people hate it the more I like it

>>281738826
Don't use gook slop for comparisons. Korean shit has always been blow up doll tier

>>281738831
that's my philosophy unless it's irredeemable garbage

>>281738801
I'm glad for these threads for the opportunity to post her
I love my wife very much

>>281738876
Much better. The difference between those is as much as shinon and that.

>>281738826
There's room in my heart for both a nicely crafted tight ass and a massive wobbling dump truck both
Anyway, it's not quite NIKKE tier but Satsuki's ass was pretty fat and came out a year before Sao 2

>>281738929
>Using trigger as an example
Trigger is an honorary American studio

It’s interesting people always say the first part of season 1 was good, because I have strong memories of starting to dislike it when Yui was on screen, and the SoL sections started, though maybe she wasn’t there for that long. Even now she’s sort of an irritation for me. I don’t have an opinion on Fairy Dance, mostly enjoyed GGO, while Alicization was good for the first 3/4s and just screwed the pooch.

>>281738612
It was her birthday a few days ago so happy birthday sinon

>>281733417 (OP)
The hate is directed more at the fans rather than the product. Which I can understand, I've seen them say multiple times that alicization (the part with Eugeo) is bad and war of Underworld is good, which is not an opinion I can tolerate. They should be dissected.

>>281738946
You was 2/13 episodes. Also the SoL parts are the best part about SAO. It is fundamentally a romance story first

i forgot my motive...

>>281738974
I've never seen a single person say that

>>281733417 (OP)
Both
the initial concept was good. It's so good .hack did it about a decade before SAO came out. The issue is that the author had no idea how to explore these themes. He wrote a story about someone trapped in a video game but didn't know how to write a believable video game world while also not wanting to write about being stuck in a video game. Having 100 floors of varied settings and Kirito building stats and completing quests was thrown to the wayside, and every episode was a time skip of several dozens of floors, he started and ended the season as the strongest person to ever live, and the only skill he "gains" is Dual Wielding, which he already had and just hid from people for no reason, and I might be wrong but he doesn't actually do a single quest the entire show, and if he does you could count it on one hand.
SAO is a personal growth story, which isn't a bad thing, but when you hinge his personal growth on something infinitely more interesting than some whiny jap teenagers feefees and then deliver none of it, it stings.
That being said, it's short (just Aincrad), the music was good, the fight scenes were good. For just background sound it was fine, it wasn't offensively bad, and is nowhere near deserving the hate it gets. People treat it like if you watch it then Kirito personally breaks into your house and fucks your mother in front of you. At worst it's just forgettable "meh"

>>281738974
>alicization (the part with Eugeo) is bad and war of Underworld is good
Those are tetraries anon. Eugeo is one of the most popular characters for a reason. The shonen spics just can't stand the heart and soul of SAO slice of life

>>281738977
I appreciate the SoL moments in Progressive (admittedly reading the manga instead of the LNs), but it just didn’t do it for me in the anime proper, at least in Season 1. Perhaps I was annoyed that they weren’t exploring the concept enough.

>>281739004
>.hack did it about a decade before SAO came out
>.hack//sign released 2002
>SAO first written in 2001

>>281738978
He didn't forget retard he didn't want to explain himself and ended up saying it the sentence after that anyways. You faggots who need shit explicitly stated to understand will be the death of media

>>281739038
Shh that ruins the narrative

>>281738929
Brown hands typed this

Asuna nipple saved it all.

>>281739004
Ah another fag who doesn't understand how old SAO is. Every thread 5+ of you retards come out of the woodwork and prove just how shit your knowledge on the topic is

>>281738363
Yes
Also to remind their target audience he's just like them

>>281739038
>>SAO first written in 2001
In 2000. In a porn magazine. With NTR.

>>281739095
That's proto SAO. SAO proper was 2001 for a contest

>>281739038
>SAO first written in 2001
seriously?
Well, good for Reki Kawabunga. Didn't realize that it was so old, I assume the LN or WN.
Doesn't really change anything that I said, but safe to say he wasn't influenced by .hack then

>>281738507
>It's dumb fun
this is always the cope from the fanboy to avoid saying he likes shit

>>281739095
that's a different thing
the content of the first sao volume was written as a short story in 2001

>>281733417 (OP)
SAO "hate" came at a time when /a/ was overrun with newfags who didn't understand our board culture and thought that /a/ was about "elitism." They're the same reddit newfags who used to flood Naruto threads back in the early 2010s, even after moot enacted the Captcha. Needless to say, they never once represented us, and we've since kicked them all out and had them killed. /a/ as a whole loves SAO and Naruto. That has never not been the case.

>>281739117
Explain how it's shit. Also virtually all anime is dumb fun. I am not looking for thought provoking works I am looking for fun when I watch anime. So yes if it's fun I enjoy it

>>281739134
Wasn't captcha ~2008

Which SAO girl is the most racist?

>>281738667
>2010s is old
Considering the average anime around that was hand-drawn and enhanced by digital, compared to modern anime which is drawn on tablets and is full of AIshit, yes, that is old now.

>>281733417 (OP)
It needed more tits

>>281739171
Realistically, Alice. Though you could fairly argue that it’s less racist and more speciest. Though I don’t remember her ever actually showing either, it just makes sense.

>>281739171
Asuna by far. She's a rich girl afterall

>2025: slop
>2012: glop

>>281739194
The entire group from the SAO game had a black friend

>>281739205
Agil got the pass for being the father figure of the group giving them a place to hang out.

>>281739221
Well less father figure and more cool uncle/much older brother

>>281738558
Zooms can 'consume' everything from 2012 and before though? And they have more discretion too
For example they can avoid complete garbage like OnS, which is just as bad SAO

>>281739016
As someone who stopped watching the anime after season 2 and never read the manga, should one watch s3 the Alicization arc?

>>281733417 (OP)
In realm of anime sao actually has story and some arc. But man is it boring. I think people clowning on it are justified, series with length of 3 seasons but substance of 1 season

>>281739398
yeah, id say so

>>281733417 (OP)
It is just a battle harem in a video game world with a main heroine that's it.
It had good animation, a decent ost and a banging first episode. Gaming was hitting mainstream and their fandom was overlapping with anime and you had the recipe for an overly popular show.
Then because it was not that good and the ending sucked dick it became easy to hate on it and jewtube essaists profited off that trend ingraining it into Internet culture.
Hell it wasn't even that influential as people claim in starting the isekai boom.
To be fair it was more entertaining than 50% of the garbage that was airing back then and 95% today.
You don't see people shit on some random seasonal garbage with 3 frames per second because 4 people watch it and barely anybody gives a fuck.

>>281733417 (OP)
who cares? i liked it, and that's what matters to me. i don't care what other people think, isn't that the main point of enjoying anything?

>>281733417 (OP)
>Is the hate justified, or is it just overreacting millennial faggots?
If gen Z likes it then there's no chance it's good so yes the hate is justified just like the hate for your worthless faggot generation

>>281739398
You didn't mention what you like about SAO but I would say if you liked SAO then yeah you should watch it

>>281739425
Gen z hates SAO because anime tubers. SAO is pure millennial core

>>281739413
I keep saying posts how it was good but feel it's bait especially how s2 operates.
>>281739430
I like it better cause it's not your typical demon slayer 3000. Just like re: zero but both re:zero and SAO have the same pitfalls post s1.

>>281739455
>I keep saying posts how it was good but feel it's bait especially how s2 operates
I have no idea what you mean. Regardless watch it it's pretty good even if the last 10% is pretty bad

>>281739484
Noted and thank you.

>>281739179
>playstation 3 is a retro console now, guise! please let me in the club!
sorry but the transition from cel to digital animation is as hard a delimiter as from sprite-based to polygon-based rendering, and some arbitrary period where the technology wasn't as refined as it is now and the output looked kind of shit compared today isn't a defined era just because you grew up with it

boy

>>281733417 (OP)
I hated this when it was airing.
I hate it even more nowadays because it got even worse.

But I would fuck Kirito.

>>281733481
Yeah but then Kirito became a gay transexual and suddenly he was ok again.
But then Asuna became boring.

Don't know why...

>>281735766
I hate that I know this image.

>>281738558
SAO seemed to have like 4 or so eps where I was interested.
Then it just fell off.
Not sure why. Can't remember now.

But yeah compared to modern slop, SAO is actually palatable.
And that scares me, because oldfags said the same shit about anime I was into from the 90s around the time SAO came out. Now I know how they felt. The quality somehow got worse.

2008 was a mistake.
2020 was a bigger mistake.

>>281739179
>hand-drawn and enhanced by digital
I doubt that, but it was still better than modern techniques. I don't know how digital got even worse, but you compare 2010 to 1995 shit and the difference is very obvious.

To me, anime will always be cel animation at the end of it's lifetime with anime. Digital shit has just felt more and more like western crap because western animation got rid of cel animation much much earlier because of higher fps.

>>281739571
baste

>>281735572
Redditors and zoomers say dogwater.

>>281739358
It's a good day when I get to post Clarence on /a/

>>281739444
>Gen z hates SAO because anime tubers.
Right, it's got nothing to do with /a/ hating it for decades because it was trash.

A lot of us were mad that it just kept regurgitating shit over and over again.
But then many shows since then thought that this was the template to make anime with and so it's become normalised. I hate that.
Especially isekai shows. They are somehow WORSE than this. At least this show gave you a reason for the alt world. In the past shows used to focus on that WAY more and it seems like isekai just blatantly ignores it.

Things like... The Matrix.
I thought Franxx would pull this shit on us more, but it also just fucked about. That was nearly a decade ago now... sigh.

>>281739134
No, it was oldfags realising it was trash.
Newfags were actually bought by it but it took the autism of oldfags to make newfags realise why it was slop.
Nowadays it's obvious though given the MUCH SHITTER ripoffs of it. Those ripoffs are so bad that is honestly makes this look a lot better now. It's much much better quality than modern slop.
And it was the slop of the time.

People have said that about NGE though. I remember oldfags calling eva the slop of it's time back in the day. Now it actually makes sense to me given SAO and I guess the rebuilds.

>>281740496
ToT

>>281740232
>>281740300
go watch one piece boomer

>>281737565
>things that a pseudo-intellectual would say
Such as ?

>>281741695
One piece and Naruto nearly put me off anime when it replaced DBZ on tv.
I would take SAO over that shit any day.

>>281741855
>DBZ
kek

>>281739095
I thought that was author's UO (remember Ultima?) doujin starring not-Kirito and not-Asuna.

>>281739114
He wrote it for Dengeki Bunko's LN contest but completely blew through the word count limit, so he published it on his blog instead as a WN in 2001. People liked it, so he just kept on writing on his site. A lot of SAO was actually written in this era before being officially published. That's part of why the writing quality is so spastic when you read it chronologically. He's definitely improved as a writer over the years (though some flaws are systemic), and editing a decade or more later can only fix so much.

He finally won the Dengeki Prize for Accel World back in 2009, and it was that that caused his editor to look through his other stuff and get him to publish SAO also under Dengeki Bunko.

People blame SAO for starting the pipeline of shitty isekai. However, it's far more responsible for starting the pipeline of shitty WNs coming to prominence. Fuck Mahouka.

>>281741866
DBZ is still good in comparison.

Does /a/ like Argo?

I remember enjoying season 1 until the forest part then dropping season 2 after like 2-3 episodes(no idea why i just remember dropping it very early)

>>281741732
I counter with
>name some real complaints

>>281742593
I was pretty close to the same sort of situation.
I don't know what it was in particular.
It was just that long ago.
What's weirder is that I had a lot of enthusiasm for the show early on.

I think what annoyed me the most was that they barely dealt with the reality of the situation (in the real world) early on... so it just felt annoying to have characters and the plot ignore the situation.
I was expecting literally The Matrix or something though, not proto-isekai.

I don't mind isekai if there is way more attachment to the original world and trying to get people back to it, but when you ignore it, you might as well just make a Slayers sort of fantasy adventure. No isekai has come close to something like Slayers though. It just became a gimmick genre where only the MC is aware of the broken physics and it's gag is just role playing games.
Even Wizard of Oz, Neverending Story and Peter Pan does better. But in those, characters eventually go home or want to go home.
SAO is just exploitation for this one idea and there's no interesting narrative around it. It relies purely on the gimmick of being in another world.

But even then, SAO at least has some level of connection with the real world, something completely gone with isekai after it. That was the only real interesting part to me.

>>281739165
Prior to 2010, all the Big Three were flooded, including threads of just random anime of the week people were mad at. Pre-captcha /a/ was the wild west.

>>281740300
SAO was was good back then, and the first season is still good now. It's your fault for not being able to see its value.

>>281742993
>it's your fault for not being underageb& in 2013!
I hope zoomers stage a violent takeover in the next few years and get things over with so we don't have to suffer through a slow collapse as they get old enough to get into power the proper way

>>281742993
It's such a shit plot though. Nothing really happens and it doesn't deal with the gravity of the situation.
Just because it's better than shit that came after it, doesn't mean it itself was good. It's just relatively better in retrospect because quality got even worse.

AND it had potential earlier on too that it squandered.
I was expecting to see entire episodes earlier on of their real lives and the people in the real world trying to save them but instead they just pretend it's not there like isekai. This is why I really dislike most isekai. Characters start to become fucking retarded just to allow the gimmick to happen. It nerfs the plot for me. Makes it really dumb.

If you're going to do this well, you need to look more at things like Kino no Tabi (the orig, not the new season). Be more like Kino to make it ... kino?

>>281733417 (OP)
>overreacting millennial faggots
Millennials are the ones who watched SAO
What are you going on about?

>>281733457
Ironically the best part of SAO was while Kirito was comatose.

>>281733417 (OP)
isekai/"it's a game" anime is pure fucking dogshit.

>>281734757
A couple things I will give SAO.

One. He wants to go back to the real world. Even if he ends up a god in the game worlds, one of his end goals is going back to the real world. Not like modern isekai where the MC abandons everything beforehand.

Two. In the real world, he isn't a god and is very vulnerable. He doesn't have a "I know kung-fu." hacks. All his power basically is only in game.

But beyond that, it is still isekai slop. But it's like Chick-Fil-A slop compared to McDonalds value meal slop.

>>281738673
The god awful posing here makes this look like ai.

>>281743216
>Nothing really happens
plenty of shit happens anon
>and it doesn't deal with the gravity of the situation
because that isn't the point of the story. Thats like complaining K-ON! doesn't tackle the stagnant music industry

>>281743273
What actually happens to cause the coma?
I remember that SAO actually did have some tethers to the real world. Things like the real world impacting those in the false world. I actually kinda liked that idea a lot - the subversion of a delusion the characters have of their reality. It sorta does something more meta than merely being transported to a new fantasy world and it could have been the most interesting cause of drama in the show.
Modern isekai is much worse than that. It just pretends the original world never existed over the course of the show. It really cheapens the show a bit for me. At least a pure fantasy has characters completely immersed and native to that place and that makes the gravity of the situation much much greater - the stakes feel much more extreme.

>>281743450
>Thats like complaining K-ON! doesn't tackle the stagnant music industry
And it should.
Because DMC and Beck (I think?) did a bit from memory.
Then again, K-ON is the worst anime ever made.

>>281743427
Clarence is fine that's how smaller people look when they C grip large rifles. Shirleys however needs better indication her right arm is actually on the pistol

>>281743216
If only the Kino no Tabi author had the chance to write an SAO plot...

>>281743216
There was literally an entire mini-arc about Kirito getting a bunch of people killed and carrying the guilt of it. It's not some super happy, carefree story.

>>281743552
It almost looks like Shirley (Green hair) is holding onto the bolt of the rifle instead of the trigger

>>281733417 (OP)
It gets hated on for the wrong reasons
It should be hated because Kirito x Asuna is a terrible ship that distracts from the otherwise decent story. Instead the story gets hated and people bitch about Asuna not getting enough screentime (she gets way too much screentime)

>>281743724
... yeah that would be nice

>>281743882
>It should be hated because Kirito x Asuna is a terrible ship that distracts from the otherwise decent story
This may be the worst opinion in the history of 4chan.

>>281743766
Not just once either. It's like people just ignore key points in the story

>>281743216
I wrote a post that was rapidly approaching character limit before I realized this is obviously bait shilling GGOA.

>>281733417 (OP)
If SAO was an anthology that only centered around Kirito for the first arc, it might have actually had a chance to be good, but alas it had to be haremshit.

>>281737953
You sound like either a Demon Slayer or Chainsaw Man fan.

>>281737486
Battle harems were the best genre and I miss them dearly

>>281733417 (OP)
It's mediocre. There's plenty of stuff that's worse but it's still slop. A lot of the hate is because it's arguably THE anime that started the isekai craze, as well as popularizing the 'fantasy with video game mechanics' trend.

>>281745675
>it's arguably THE anime that started the isekai craze, as well as popularizing the 'fantasy with video game mechanics' trend
That point always seemed weird to me since "stuck in a mmo/game world" was a well established genre even before SAO came out. It has nothing to do with isekai imo

>>281746009
No shit, that doesn't mean it was as popular or relevant.

>>281733417 (OP)
I never gave it a chance because of the title and vidya aspect but I watched and enjoyed Shangri-la frontier, bofuri, and full dive so maybe I should stop being so stubborn

>>281746035
Yeah sure, it was arguably the most popular but the point is SAO was a different kind of slop compared to isekais

>>281746009
I call it "gamesekai".
"stuck in the game and can't log out" was already a tired trope after dot hack, and adding gary stu shit to it didn't help

>>281746009
>>281746100
People nowadays would not consider it a real isekai but it absolutely laid the groundwork for what would come later.

>>281740300
If Eva was slop then what was high art for that time?

>>281733417 (OP)
It is shit but a youtuber said it was shit as well so /a/ has to love it now

>>281740300
>deleted
what?

I just watched it for the first time a few months ago. It was alright. I enjoyed most of it, but it's not on my favorites list or anything. The beginning and then Alicization were the best seasons/arcs. The Gungale stuff was less interesting.

>>281743882
t. seething fujoshitter who probably ships Kirito/Eugeo or something

>>281743882
Asuna might as well be swapped with a labrador and the story would be no different. But it's not only Asuna, most of the cast is superfluous

>>281746230
>and adding gary stu shit to it didn't help
Yes, it did.

>>281744467
You WNtards constantly pretend that if bad things happen in a narrative, it means that the narrative is cohesive.
Just because The Black Cats died doesn't mean it's narratively relevant or deals with the gravity of the situation, the fuck are you on about? It's been like 12 years, but don't the Black Cats die in the episode they're introduced in? Introducing random oneoff NPCs to kill is a lazy trick to convince your less intelligent retards that you're a serious writer with STAKES.
It's fine to enjoy low quality things. I enjoy a bunch of korean webtoon garbage, but at least admit to yourself that what you're reading is low quality and shouldn't be compared to serious works. SAO is a 3/5 in a genre where the average work struggles to hit a 1. This is true of a lot of other WN/LN trash like Mushoku Tensei or Re:Zero, but we've been so overrun by ESL SEAfaggots and isekai for so fucking long that there's scarcely a point in arguing with you dregs.
Fucking SAO apologism threads. Christ. And I thought the constant shonenspam was bad enough.

>>281745675
Well no, the isekai craze started with Zero no Tsukaima fanfiction in 2008, but SAO is the series that awoke the west to the movement, got them thinking that isekai is definitionally stories about a MC travelling to another world, and got them very confused when Frieren and Goblin Slayer are also called isekai

>>281746230
>tired trope after dot hack
both sword art online WN and .hack started coming out the same damn year, 2002
people don't remember how old the original shitty iteration of SAO is

>>281733417 (OP)
It doesn't deliver the expected story
It's popularity at the time in the west made negative opinions more abundant and spread
What it delivers is mediocre 6/10 by past standards
With the standards of today, it's an 8/10, as the average for these kinds of setups has fallen off a cliff

>>281738479
>old opinions dont matter
>new opinions dont matter
>nobodys opinion matters
>but i will seethe and obsess anyway
Why are trannies like this?

>>281733417 (OP)
It's a little bit of both. SAO to me is mediocore for the most part but the thing is, normalfags and/or ironic anime fans treat it as the WORST anime ever.
There are series, much, much worse than SAO.

>>281733417 (OP)
A bit of both.

Season 1 was trying to hard to be serious. "IF YOU DIE IN THE GAME YOU DIE IN REAL LIFE"

Later seasons lean more into the goofy shounen slop aspects.

>>281748877
This but Naruto and the opposite treatment. Naruto is okay but flawed however the fans treat it like an untouchable amazing anime series.

>>281748490
I love bunbun's art but have somehow never seen this, thanks

>>281748848
>old opinions dont matter
>new opinions dont matter
>nobodys opinion matters
Correct

>>281748255
It was old when the anime came out.

>>281733417 (OP)
Its dogshit. Anyone saying otherwise is coping hard.

>>281749295
i've watched much worse.

>281749295
>i-it's dogshit!
>why? because... it just is okay?!
As usual, /a/ is the best place for discussion.

>>281733417 (OP)
>millennial
STFU ZOOMZOOM.

>>281748956
>Later seasons lean more into the goofy shounen slop aspects.
if you ignore the rape shit I suppose

>>281733417 (OP)
It's bad and the recent movies retconning shit make it even worse.

>>281749289
Have the other one

>>281750752
Movie Mito isn't canon

>>281750752
It's okay to dislike it since it's just average HOWEVER I hate with a passion the dumbfucks that keep parroting this shit >>281738978
He literally explains his motives a second later, in fact the whole sentence was something along the lines of
>I forgot... since when did I start dreaming about this castle?

>>281750752
The movies are literally fan fiction. I fucking hate that nigger director

>>281748490
How Kirito always manage to be best boy?
He's just too cute for this rotten world...

>>281752252
>>281750752
What's wrong with the movies? The first one was good.

Honestly while it's never really been anything beyond a 5/10 with some arcs that are way worse, I'll always enjoy the Death Gun arc twist. How was that guy killing people through the game? He wasn't, he just broke into their house and murdered them IRL lol

>>281754037
Mito is a literal donut steel and fucked a bunch of shit in the LN. They removed titty elf and all that entire plotline (like 60% of progressive to that point) for mito who is a SHIT character

>>281754070
>he missed the main twist of deathgun
fucking lmao

>>281754151
Wat

>>281754170
he wasn't doing it at all. Someone else was

>>281754178
also as a double twist deathgun is one of the red player faggots kirito spared and didn't kill during SAO. His inaction directly killed several people later in life

>>281754178
Eh, I consider both the guy who went there to the breakin and the guy who commanded the avatar as "Death Gun". I think it's said somewhere they even alternated?

>>281754227
> I think it's said somewhere they even alternated?
nope. There is 2 guys running around IRL while xaxa is killing people in GGO. I don't think the other guy ever gets named even

>>281754258
I see. was Sinon's creepy weirdo friend doing the physical murders too? If he was that's really funny, XaXa literally had a teenager do all the hard work of actually murdering for him while he played video games all day

>>281754308
>was Sinon's creepy weirdo friend doing the physical murders too?
How the fuck did you miss the part where he breaks into shinons house to rape an murder her? Also he is literally xaxas brother and the idea of death gun was his idea since he thought his brother murdering people was so fucking cool he wanted to do it too.

>>281754308
Kyouji didn't do any of the murders up until Sinon because he didn't want his brother to touch her. I think he was Death Gun any time an in game 'murder' but not fight was going on ie. the guy in the bar, but not during the Bullet of Bullets

>>281754308
Kyouji didn't do any of the irl stuff up until Sinon because he didn't want his brother to touch her. I think he was Death Gun any time an in game 'murder' but not fight was going on ie. the guy in the bar, but not during the Bullet of Bullets. The other dude was another Coffin member.

>>281754333
I obviously know he tried to kill Sinon, I was windering if he did any physical murders of the other guys before that since he's just a teenager

>>281733417 (OP)
everyone hates it, and states the same reasons for hating it. Even the fans hate it.

>>281754395
I don't remember if it is explicitly stated or not if he killed anyone else. That said I somehow forgot until just now the 3rd guy was the guy who fucking shanked kirito at the start of the underworld arc.

>>281754510
The police is really fucking incompetent in SAO it seems.

>>281754531
extremely. At least with PoH they have the excuse of him being a connected professional criminal. xaxa and johnny are just random dudes

Now that I think about it all the Death Gun stuff was literally only possible because you can see the personal info people input into the Bullet of Bullets login to collect their prizes by simply getting close with an invis cloak. If it was blurred for other people all of this could have been avoided.
In fact screw Death Gun, I'm sure someone has gotten their bank data stolen with that exploit.

>>281754590
They even bring that up that shitty opsec is the reason so many people get killed.
>bank account
I think mailing address and name were the only thing required. Also the invis cloak was some turbo giga rare item (even though considering how much of an advantage some items give they are really undervalued if it was a real game) so it isn't like just anyone could do it

>>281754636
Honestly despite some of the characteristic "the author has never played video games" stuff that is very common in SAO I feel GGO is the best one out of the bunch. It actually seems decently fun to play outside of sniper faggotry, but it wouldn't be the first time a perfectly fun game has a sniper class that is utterly miserable for everyone else.
I especially enjoyed the Pale Rider dude who went around equipping nothing to max his movement speed and zoomed into people to shoot them point blank with a shotgun. It sounds like such a fun thing to do.

>>281735330
/thread

>>281754696
Literally my load out when I played fatal bullet. Dual shotguns and a gorgillion movement boosts to nyoom around and kill

>>281754696
I'm an older zoomzoom so I was 13 or so when SAO 2 came out and I remember so badly wanting a shooter RPG PVE/battle royale type game with gun loot that was like GGO to exist
It even had me playing Destiny for a short while before I realised that was shit
Yes I did really enjoy Fatal Bullet more than the game's actual quality would suggest

>>281733417 (OP)
Dot Hack is better.

>>281733417 (OP)
It's more a product of its time. The pre-WoW style of MMO is very different and even scenes like Kirito's heal outpacing multiple attackers is reasonably accurate to player level gaps in some older MMOs.

>>281754732
>I'm an older zoomzoom
> so I was 13 or so when SAO 2 came out
>SAO 2
>2
ah fuck I am getting old. But yeah fatal bullet was fucking cool. Let dimps make a massive version of it please

>>281754696
>I especially enjoyed the Pale Rider dude who went around equipping nothing to max his movement speed and zoomed into people to shoot them point blank with a shotgun. It sounds like such a fun thing to do.
i liked Pale Rider as a plotpoint because they go into Bullet of Bullets searching for some dude with a mask and a death-themed username and they find like 4 separate people with an edgelord variation of that same exact theme. I laughed out loud.

>>281733417 (OP)
I watched it back when it was airing and it wasn't very memorable is what impression stuck with me the most

>>281733417 (OP)
It's overreaction.
There is a growing chunk of people who are realizing that Asuna was the reason why the series ultimately couldn't live up to its potential. She changes the tone of the series to a typical romance anime and those are a dime a dozen in anime.

>>281754769
God I wish
Considering how much of a flop Fractured Daydream is ($60 always online licensed game with virtually zero playerbase only a few weeks in) another Dimps SAO game (or even SAO game full stop) feels unlikely sadly
Fatal Bullet is the biggest gap in objective vs subjective quality to me because finally getting to play 'GGO' and the specific time period of my life I devoured that game has basically made it like a top 5 game ever for me

>>281754037
>What's wrong with the movie
It's female GOOD male BAD shit.
Also nothing happens.
It's pretty much what they did with ordinal scale where Kirito was sidelined in favor for Asuna centric drama.

>>281754922
Ordinal Scale did give Asuna a boob job and then show us her nipple though

>>281754893
I have gotten several anime hating people to play fatal bullet and every single person that played it for more than an hour ended up loving it. The game is so damn cool it has universal appeal

>>281734736
>People believed a retarded rumor that can be disproven by checking 2 dates
Yep checks out

>>281754969
Fatal bullet sucked. It was basically the same as the other games except you play as Kirito, but the people dragging you around are literal schizoids and you get saddled with the world's most retarded AI.

>>281755008
>It was basically the same as the other games except you play as Kirito
Confirmed for never playing it and has 0 idea what he is talking about

>>281755008
>The game that plays completely differently than all the other games plays the same
Naruhodo

>>281755008
>It's good because you're not Kirito! But you're basically treated as Kirito!

>>281733417 (OP)
It has gotten a lot better with age by virtue of the fact that most anime to come out since has managed to be even worse.

>>281733417 (OP)
Monochrome Duet is better.

The Progressive movie director is a cunt. The entire point of Progressive is that you see them gradually progressing without skips, and what does he do? Skip. From the 1st floor to the 5th. Fuck you.

And because of that, we didn't get to even see the bullshit poorly optimized bosses that was earlier SAO floor bosses. Like the cow king dude.
>be 2nd(?) floor boss
>boss doesn't even show up until the third stage
>has bullshit directional AoE paralysis
>at a level where stun-dispelling items don't exist
>the only way to counter his bullshit gimmick is with a stagger from an even more gimmicky niche build
Old school MMOs were fucking bullshit.

>>281755211
>Women's Romance
Where's the rape, cheating, and gay sex?

>>281755260
womens romance sometimes involves fixing some poor sap

>>281755211
>Kirito/kizmel fanfiction
Well there are worse things

>>281755256
The nigger faggot thought it would be too hard and take away from his literal OC. I fucking hate hate HATE that faggot

>>281755275
>>281755260
>Where's the rape
Nigga it's SAO every arc has rape bait or outright rape
>cheating
See OUR EMPORER or basically every girl trying to snipe Kirito
>and gay sex?
... Come on now

Someone post the big titty milf elf

>>281755256
It's cause for whatever reason, they are really REALLY scared of having fighting in those movies despite the fact that the fighting was the best part of alicization. Another reason it doesn't make sense is because there are plenty of theatrical anime releases that are action oriented and highly successful.
Also if i remember correctly, the best thing about Progressive is that it actually does a good job with world building and having a proper characterization of Kirito having a clear separation between the actual person who is basically kind of a wishy washy weak willed guy and the black swordsman facade that everyone knows is pure bullshit.

>>281755349
Which one?

>>281755355
Literally no one knows it's bullshit which is why it works outside his core friends and a bunch of dead people

Argo and Kizmel are best girls

>>281755256
Did they remove the smugs?

>>281755385
Lind and kibaou know that he's bullshitting and they let it slide because it lets them control their guilds better and keeps the peace.

>>281755430
They removed basically everything good and I am not even exaggerating. For all intents and purposes it is a completely different story. The second movie is probably literally 70% new plot (that fucking sucks)

>>281755349
gigantic elf tits

>>281733417 (OP)

The hate wasn't justified but I personally couldn't get into it when it was airing since I am not a big fan of "trapped in a video-game" type isekais as they lack the essence of being a truly otherworldly experience when they lean too much into the videogame side of things.

>>281733417 (OP)
I liked SAO, but the picrel mogs the canon story.

>>281755485
Mito ruins Unital Ring as well. The longer that arc goes on, the more i wish they should have just let it be finished with Alicization.

>>281755540
Reki making mito canon legitimately killed my interest in the series. I have been reading this shit since fucking 2009 awful web novel translations

>>281733417 (OP)
The first half of the first season is like the best shit ever. But then everything changed when Yui was introduced and by the time the story gets to Alfheim Online it becomes generic anime slop.

So mito is someone high ups donut steel right? Someone with enough leverage to buttfuck 2 movies and convince reki to shove her in the main series must have absurd sway

>SAO BAD!!
Reminder on who is posting this.

>>281756141
Lol where is this?

>>281733417 (OP)
I mean let's be honest, a lot of people who watched it didn't realise that they hated it until the hate started to become so popular. Also its because your perspective of the show changes as you grow up.

>>281742720
I enjoyed watching the show but there are plenty of easy complaints
>starts with harem - new girl every episode that likes him because he's so cool
>Kirito has power-fantasy level gameplay
>random part where they get a daughter???
there's probably more dumb shit

>>281756226
>>Kirito has power-fantasy level gameplay
If you mean the part where the low level goons can't even out DPS his HP regen then you've outed yourself as not having played MMOs, especially those that existed around when SAO was written.

>>281756226
>starts with harem - new girl every episode that likes him because he's so cool
Everyone likes him because he is a selfless hero who is very strong
>Kirito has power-fantasy level gameplay
Uhhh no? He regularly gets his shit pushed in
>random part where they get a daughter???
Sugar days is the best part in the series. Shonen spics need not apply this is a romance series

Why do zoomers larp as being older than they are all the time?
SAO hate started on the very first episode. The threads existed exclusively to point out the endless writing fails and QUALITY moments. Of course it's justified, it's likely the worst written ln to ever get adapted with anywhere near that budget.

>>281733417 (OP)
watch abridged if you want sao with good writing imho.

>>281756332
>Everyone likes him because he is a selfless hero who is very strong
I never got this complaint for that reason. If someone dropped in your lap who was a decently good looking person of the opposite sex who instantly resolved your problem you are having you would probably be attracted to them

>>281756411
This but DBZ or one piece abridged

>>281756165
not that guy but I assume tvtropes

>>281754074
>a shit donut steel character is added to a series where the MC is a shit donut steel character

>>281733417 (OP)
Is there anyone that hates solo leveling but loves SAO or vice versa?
They both fucking suck for the exact same reasons. If you like one but dislike the other, please share why.

>>281756528
>Shitsaw man
>Retarded post
Naruhodo

>>281756545
'ate gook leveling
'ove SAO
Simple as
>Why
SAO is not a battle shonen. It's a romance story with shonen elements

>>281756551
Fucking kek, I should have written down somewhere that you fags would grasp at straws and point out the chainsaw man.
The point I was trying to make was that this Mito character that is a flawless donut steel sounds a lot like Kirito. I get him fucking up the plot might be frustrating for you, but his character? Really? What do you like about Kirito more than him?
I've never seen more than the first season of SAO by the way, I just wanna hear your opinions.

>>281738977
>>281756571
Too bad the romance sucks. SAO is basically Twilight for boys.

>>281743244
The 14-year-olds who watched SAO when it came out are zoomers

>>281756583
It's basically the opposite of twilight in every meaningful way but overall an apt comparison. It's fun and the romance is cute enough

>>281756617
>watched SAO at 14
>28 now
>still a zoomer
When I watched it at 14, I was really excited about every plot development and stuff in the first season up until the elf shit ruined it.
I must have been the target audience back then too, because when I rewatched it in college I thought it was dogshit all the way through.

>>281756655
No you didn't. If you were 14 the day the first episode aired you would be 27 this year

>>281756545
I hate both but the reason is different. Solo leveling uses a setting that was already generic at the time, and the mc gets everything handed to him including the unique ability to grow stronger. Yet it's played as hard work. If that's not enough he even gets extra abilities that are op on their own (both an assassin skillset and a necro skillset). Not to be satisfied with this bullshit, his level up skill also grants him height and beauty because he can't be allowed to struggle even on this slightest of fronts.
All characters are 2d cutouts only there to praise or contrast him.
However, the writing is otherwise consistent with no obvious self-contradiction or babby-tier flaws all over the place. As it is a product of its time, the fact solo grinding and worse, solo raiding is possible, is actually acceptable especially in light of the p2w-like mechanics of the overall world.

SAO has the same problems as solo leveling as everyone exists to suck kirito's cock. However, unlike solo leveling, the writing is ludicrously bad. Kirito is treated as a genius when saying the most craptarded things imaginable, nothing is even consitent mechanically, least of which the skills and events systems, and as a product of its time, rhe soloing aspects are not remotely acceptable without explanations like ai pattern abuse and specifically made build for single encounters that are so specialized you have to reapec before and after because the build couldn't deal with normal mobs. Instead of getting inspired by glitches in real mmo's, the most ridiculous nonsense version is portrayed instead, and only once. Similar with any aspect of character growth and appropriate timelines. The interpersonal interactions between the characters are a cringefest. The real world segments are somehow even worse. In that one scene of the girl in a hospital alone you can fill an entire thread full of lulz. The story constantly contradicts itself, sometimes in the same segment. Etc.

>>281756682
Aw fuck you're right, I got my years mixed up. I was 15 when SAO came out. Does that make me one of the millennials that OP talked about?

>>281756699
One year shy. Sorry 95-96 is the commonly accepted cutoff

>>281756716
97 acshully

>>281756716
Thank god. I'd much rather be a zoomer than a fag that complains about rape in Rance.
Wait do zoomers do that too? Fuck everything.

>>281756738
zoomers are the only ones wbo do that

>>281756738
>Wait do zoomers do that too?
Pretty sure it is almost exclusively zoomers. We joked about Rance raping people for years until post gamergate years so right about when zoomers would start posting

>>281756743
>>281756748
God I fucking hate zoomers now. Next you'll tell me that they think loli should be illegal.

>>281756729
Lol no. The litmus test for being a millennial is if you remember where you were on 9/11
>>281756748
... Bwo? You havin a giggle?

>>281756761
They do, yes.

>>281756791
I'm going to bed angry now, but I'm glad you told me.
Total zoomer death.

>>281756761
I know what you are doing

>>281733417 (OP)
The hate is justified, but honestly, there's always going to be a new crop of teenagers watching complete dogshit.
Every generation has it. Right now it's, what, Solo Leveling? A few years ago it was Mushoku Tensei.
All these shows have booms when all the little kids watch them and talk about them, and then they start falling off when adults watch them, think they're cringe and disgusting, and the narrative changes.
Then the teenagers that used to like these shows bend to peer pressure, and the positive feelings toward the show are memory holed.
There's always going to be flavor of the month garbage that catches fire on reddit. These shows come and go.

>>281756808
How did it take you till now to realize this? Why do you think shit started changing so fast right when your peers started getting 16+?

>>281756812
Literally no one is watching solo leveling. It is all fake hype because Crunchyroll produced it

>>281756827
This is what I was talking about.
It was huge as fuck a year and a half ago, and only just now are fags like you memory holing it. Even my normie friends were asking me if I was watching it.

>>281756850
Normal cattle eat what's put in front of them. When Crunchyroll put it in front of them they consumed it. They weren't watching it it merely existed in front of them.

>>281756872
Yeah and that's basically what Sword Art Online was. I hate Solo Leveling too, bro. You don't need to convince me. I just think it's obvious they're cut from the same cloth.
And there'll be more.

>>281756774
You don't make the rules, zoomzoom

What do you think of Eiji and Yuna? I love Eiji's motivation and the reason he couldn't fight during SAO, which is due to the Nerve Gear's failure and not his own cowardice. I remember seeing the movie in 2017, and it made me fall in love with the franchise again, and every bit of merchandise from them became a guaranteed purchase. But after Sayaka Kanda's death, I think it would be a bad idea to add Yuna back, and without her, Eiji has no motivation. After four years, I still listen to Yuna's songs at least once a month.

>>281756896
Not him but I strongly disagree. Generic low budget shit and absolute garbage that's so bad you can have a laugh with hundreds of people on /a/ are in different classes. Thus, SAO is like Code Geass while Solo Leveling is like Mushoku Tensei.

>>281733417 (OP)
The main appeal of the show is being trapped in an MMO. Except it's written by a guy who clearly doesn't know shit about MMOs or gamers

>>281733417 (OP)
Criticism is justified, but not to the point of making youtube essays that last over one hour.
SAO was Kawahara's first big work and it really shows. There are a lot of flaws in his writing such as not knowing how to naturally progress from point A to point B so there are timeskips all over the place.

>>281756937
It's more accurate to pre-WoW MMOs. Reki was a fan of Ultima Online, Phantasy Star Online, and Ragnarok Online. Especially Ultima Online. Shit was real different before WoW streamlined everything.

>>281756906
>and without her, Eiji has no motivation.
If Kirito can get over Sachi then Eiji can get over Yuna too.

>>281756998
I played all three of these extensively (among many other pre and postwow mmo's). You couldn't be more full of shit.

>>281738555
>"the most unrealistic part of the show is saying that watching someone else play an mmo is boring"
>"i mean look at me watching asmongoloid streams with my fellow tens of thousand of fellow zogbots!"

>>281756655
i recently rewatched it (aincrad) and i really really enjoyed it, save for the yuuki shit. I mean what other anime execute the death video game scenario well like sao?

>>281733417 (OP)
I never watched it, but I somehow doubt this one show is so horrendously terrible compared to all others of its kind.

>>281756648
Anything potentially fun and cute about the romance immediately becomes insulting when Yui singles them out as the ones who found true love in all of Aincrad.

Average anime, SAO never seemed as good to me as they say it is

>>281757100
>I mean what other anime execute the death video game scenario well like sao?
Kawahara's other series, Accel World, has a sorta similar concept, though it's not one-and-dead like SAO.

>>281757100
SAO executed it horribly. In the first third it's shoved down your throat excessively, in the second third it's basically not present, and the end shits on the premise entirely.

>>281757023
I am the President of the United States, Japan, and play Half Life 3 on my space station. You're full of shit\ and I doubt you've touched any of them in your life. Any of them.

>>281757031
>>"i mean look at me watching asmongoloid streams with my fellow tens of thousand of fellow zogbots!"
Does that guy have any opinions of his own besides hopping on bandwagons and appealing to the politics of his audience? He just says whatever his chat responds best to. Asmon is the definition of "audience captured".

>>281757023
Reki has played a lot of the older stuff and it shows if you read progressive. He's really big on worldbuilding about mechanics that get removed within adaptations. The problem is mostly political than technical like what the real-life people did with the unconscious victims. The mechanics like last hit bonuses are found in Phantasy Star and others which granted EXP bonuses for the same.

>>281733417 (OP)
responsible for the death of anime

>>281757340
You gotta remember that both SAO and ALO were inspired by some real oldschool MMOs like Ultima online, meaning the penalty for dying is fucking severe. We're talking big item + EXP losses. That and a certain degree of autism which is to be expected from hardcore MMO players. I was addicted to WoW for over 10 years, trust me. I know.

Rewatched it. I like that Kirito jokes around occasionally and isn't a wet blanket. Definitely much better than Isekai. But it isn't very good, just better than the modern dogshit.
The first arc is obviously the most interesting premise, but Alicization is the best season. Definitely just a children's cartoon, but that isn't a bad thing.

>>281757352
In the 2000s, I remember being stuck in old school MapleStory where I kept on getting to around level 15 or just enough for an item my Thief got but kept dying. Back then me didn't know shit about the best grinding areas and it was obvious when I kept reaching a level and getting de-leveled down. Also one time I died in Runescape took almost all my good shit which a friend traded to me.

All the new games are so much nicer to player death.

>>281757340
0/8 b8

>>281757487
I've played MMOs older than you are.

>>281757505
There are no MMOs older than I am, retarded zoomer. I got started with MUDs.

>>281757561
>zoomer
Millennials, I swear. They get more uppity by the day. You're the kind who doesn't remember internet getting messed up whenever anyone does a phone call or had a box of ice in the house before refrigerators, don't kid yourself. You at least old enough to browse the internet on a Dreamcast?

why is SAO being affiliated with isekai? Do covid watchers think actual fantasy anime are fucking isekais? An anime is an isekai when a nigga gets hit by a truck, dies, and literally transports/reincarnates into another fucking world. Its that fucking simple. SAO is just a regular anime about being stuck in a fucking video game. This shit is like when people call a action game a "souls-like" just because you can fucking roll.

>>281757651
Because it is isekai, dumb schizo

>>281757023
>>281757487
>>281757561
Go to be Steve.

>>281733417 (OP)
overreacting

>>281757651
>stuck in a fucking video game
So an isekai

>>281757668
No, I want to be Frank.

>>281757666
>>281757690
>shinjiholdingglass.jpg

>>281757341
isn't that neon shit garbage and other le try hard boring trash?

>>281757668
Sorry, I don't speak zoomerish

>>281757341
Anything that has rape cannot be a negative for anime. It is antirapist material that does.

>>281757729
Play your first MMO

>>281757729
I see you millennial. Always pretending to be older.

>>281757649
Your ilk thinks watching tiktok brainrot about literal made up shit that vaguely mentuons an old game(and by old you mean made before 2020) is the same as playing the game yourself, what'a more in its heyday.
You aren't even human. You don't experience things or have thoughts. You're like parrots except parrots tactically use their mimicry ability and that skill is beyond you.

>>281757742
I fucking wish but everythinf's been either dead or wowified (a fate worth than death) for ages.

>>281757748
You're mentally ill

>>281757744
Older millenials would have been 10-12 when the first MMOs dropped.

>>281757748
Come back when you're old enough for this site.

>>281757762
>>281757807
I accept your zoomer surrender.

>>281757864
Come back when you've played a MMO before.

>>281757362
a funny moment in the LN that was cut out of the anime was when in the part with the rabbit and Asuna gloats on her maxed out cooking skill, Kirito thinks to himself that she is an idiot

>>281757651
Some people even think that it popularized isekai.

>>281734698
This. I hated it because of the wasted potential but it's not as bad as what we have now.

I was once naive and read only the first few chapters of the manga adaptation thinking it was going to be a great death game adventure in a video game. Didn't read the rest because I knew it was getting an anime anyway.

When the anime started airing, I once again only watched the first 2 episodes I think, before leaving it for weeks to binge it later. Then came the pizza binge watching party, and suddenly it's just:
>kirito saves a girl who falls for him
>kirito doesn't engage with the game
>kirito saves a girl who falls for him
>kirito plays house
>...
It ended being just another flavor of battle harem and it didn't help that there was a massive influx of players calling themselves Kirito or KiritoxAsuna in MMOs. Little did I know it would also spawn game mechanics isekai ad nauseam.

>s1 designs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything after
like what the fuck happened. First season is soul and then later it just got way too fucking sharp.

>>281757023
>no argument

>>281758001
The argument is obvious if you have a brain: the mmo world of sao is even less inspired by these mmo's as .hack//SIGN is inspired by grand theft auto.

>>281758031
>pks, guilds, pve, massively multiplayer
I dunno. It has mmo mechanics, references things that happen and you do in a mmo. I don't know what your problem is, autism that it isn't 1:1 to an existing copyrighted game? Yikes. The premise is that it's a futuristic VRMMO and vrmmos totes don't exist mang. Duh.

>>281758130
Absolutely nothing in SAO is comparable to anything in any MMO. That's the problem. Compare Log Horizon or the .hack series. The former is more "pure" while the latter is more permissive, but both do a decent job where at this level, one cannot complain.
But you can't in a million years claim SAO's aithor has ever played an MMO (in fact, even a jRPG) with the way SAO makes its non-world out to be. Shit, even fucking isekai maou did it better and the author clearly doesn't give 2 shit about that part of the setting.
Get a grip.

>>281733417 (OP)
>Is the hate justified
No. It's jealousy, rage, contrarianism and bad taste. This show used to be loved. So what it if it might've resulted in a bunch of a bunch of similar not very good RPG themed anime getting made? SAO is better and more enjoyable than most if not all of those? Despite it's setbacks, it's still a very enjoyable show. It's got great character art, great music and some of the best swordfight animation in all of anime. It's a cool show. It could've been even better if the sex scene wasn't censored, there was no 3DCG and Aincrad was paced better but that doesn't mean it's not still a way above average show for it's decade.

>>281758180
Why do zoomers love history revisionism like this? You could have read the thread before self-owning so hard at least

>>281758189
Kill yourself, tranny.

>>281758178
>Absolutely nothing in SAO is comparable to anything in any MMO.
It definitely IS though. Even fishing or renting a house are things that existed in mmo-UO for example, there's an arc about that. PKs, that was a thing. It captures that-the edgy griefers. Stats. etc. These got expanded into the vrmmo.
I could watch and remember a thing that happened in mmos and listed some. You, however, however provided *no* point to your assertion (that even goes against interviews confirming he did play) of contention like what's your problem bro.

>>281758268
Very poor attempt at grasping at straws. It's about more than using words that exist, it's about representing mechanics that ezist. It's really not rocket science, but apparently for the likes of you it must be equally complicated.
You have no argument and make bafflingly obvious false ones. A simple dismissal is already more than you deserve, let alone these responses. There's a reason it's easy to point to animes that haven't fucked it up the way SAO has.

>>281758310
As another evidence, it's very reminiscent of The Noob. Another portrayal of MMOs and PKs.
>You have no argument
more like you don't. You've said nothing of substance while *I* listed mmo things and compared SAO to them. You just say they're false because uh...
>It's about more than using words that exist, it's about representing mechanics that ezist.
So all the mechanics listed are "words that exist"? Do you have nothing of substance at all? I'm not interested in cheap adhoms like you were having earlier I thought you had a point or misunderstanding we could elucidate but if you don't...

SAO is the perfect example of an overhated show.

>>281758189
>zero arguments
>zero counterpoints
>responds with drivel
It's not revisionism though. Why are you lying? I watched Sword Art Online in 2014 and people fucking acted like it was god's anime on earth. The reason I even watched it was because so many people were singing it's praises. People acted like it was the best anime of all time or at least top 5. I remember the way people used to talk about it. This used to be the face of anime in the early 2010s. I remember being on f*cebook and people loving it. Yeah there were always a tiny number on naysayers but it's like that for everything. This also used to be ranked very high on MAL and for good reason. The view on it only shifted after people got gaslit into thinking it's bad by that viral hate video. I don't regret watching it either, I got plenty of enjoyment out of it.

>>281758385
This. And the guy who started the hate campaign has trooned out. Every hater of SAO is a tranny.
/thread

>>281757985
>First season is soul and then later it just got way too fucking sharp.
I don't like that the shading got downgraded for alicization. SAO and SAO II had very aesthetic shading.

>>281758370
That comic is basically the exact anti-thesis of sao and once again proves you wrong. You have named random words and not mechanics. You are dumb.

>>281758395
Why do you zoomers always double down when called out? It just makes you look even more retarded. You truly are cancer through and through.

>>281758480
I'm glad you agree the comic's good but unless you give an argument...Is it that the tone's changed from the comic to more serious? You got brainwashed by an youtuber? shrugs.I'm going to give up on you. It invents a glitch that doesn't exist too.
Lots of people watched it and thought it's just like mmos, even (previous posts on mmo players naming their characters). Your revisionism failed.

>>281733417 (OP)
I miss battle harem anime and battle harem school anime.

>>281758488
Kill yourself, tranny.

>>281733417 (OP)
The hate is absurdly overblown for an overall good and enjoyable show. Some parts aren't great, but it's worth sitting through them for the good bits.

>>281757264
well it was rushed to shit
name one other series that "shoves it down your throat" you can't, nips seem really scared of having stakes in your show for some reason

>>281758401
>And the guy who started the hate campaign has trooned out.
Yeah, fuck that fat bastard and his shit taste. I'm so glad his girlfriend dumped him.

>>281757225
of course i watched accel world, but like you said it's not a one and dead, they're just playing one hardcore

Sword Art Online has some of the best choreographed and animated sword fights ever. That makes it fun to watch. Other RPG based anime may have one half decent fight if they're lucky. It's sad that there are so many similarly themed shows to SAO, but basically none are as entertaining.

>>281758488
>>281758189
>zero argument
Embarrassing. I remember how SAO was perceived prior to 2015 and the infamous viral video. People loved it. People liked this fucking show so much that even I thought it was a bit excessive, and I enjoyed it a lot.

When a disgusting obese brony hates a show, you know it must be good.

>>281758919
newfag

>>281758963
The old MAL screenshot shows that people generally had a very positive view of this series in the past. Deal with it.

>>281758884
I can watch this glorious Yuuki cut endlessly and ever get tired of it.

>>281733417 (OP)
Only good until they got out of Aincrad. The author shot himself in the foot when he did a timeskip to the higher floors maybe because he didn't expect his work to become popular.

>>281759254
The Aincrad side stories weren't that good either.

>>281754733
The backgournd art is better because it has less 3Dshit. SAO is better in other ways though, like OST.

>>281746940
You're not allowed to say negative things about Trigger/Gaynax shows here, or the faggot mod will have an aneurysm.

>>281759316
>why aren't I allowed to brainlessly spam catchphrases

>>281733417 (OP)
There are things SAO could've done better, the hate is not justified, though.

The complaints about the structure of S1 of the SAO anime is justified because it was not an "arc" in the classic sense of the word. It was a bunch of jumbled stories from all over the time of Reki's writing. The only "arc" in the SAO (game) segment is the romance, and even then, you only got the very tail end of it. It landed you in media res on floor 74 when it was clear that Kirito and Asuna both already knew each other and liked each other.

The SAO anime "arc" was actually considered of
>volume 1, a largely edited version of the 2001/2002 story he originally published on his blog
>Aria SS, a completely new story he wrote in presumably 2011 for the anime in particular
>volume 2, a bunch of short stories he originally wrote during the WN days with time of writing scattered all around including with Murder Case and Red-Nosed Reindeer being written well after he had started publishing the WN version of Alicization
>that random bit of a self-published doujin called Materials Edition 2: The Progressors but the anime stopped RIGHT BEFORE Kirito and and Asuna would have fucking dueled. Director clearly thinks fanservice can only be T&A
The anime feels like it jumps all over the place because it does. It feels like there's no coherent narrative because there isn't. SAO volume 1 which was the OG SAO that set off everything was ultimately not an adventure story with romance elements but firmly a romance story in a MMO setting.

You now remember that the dipshit director took the kino that was First Day and butchered it by shoehorning it into a Mito and Asuna story, instead.

>>281733417 (OP)
The issue is the harem of orbiters, they bring everything down.

>>281759328
>calling something shit is "catchphrase" now
Also, why don't they do something about the shounenshit "spam" then? Why do they let people say "shounenshit" but go crazy when people say "dung meshit"?

>>281759316
lol. the mod doing this a real subhuman

>>281759262
And that's because the author did a timeskip. If he trusted his work he would've properly fleshed out Aincrad. Also nothing beats the ending of Kirito walking out of the hospital room. It's true kino. But as we all know, Japs are known for milking an IP dry and devolving into cliche stories. That's where we get the NTR, incest and other ridiculous stories in the sequels.

>>281759328
Okay you tell us why the negative post about Evangelion was removed then?

>>281733417 (OP)
>Isekai
>Harem
100% justified

>>281733457
>First season is good until the second half.

Did you forget a bunch of pro gamers not thinking to check the massive fuck-off tower visible from the starting zone for the first boss for a month. Or the raid leader that chose to not simply drink a potion and died. How about the femc not noticing there is an icon in the top left of her vision that shows the name of the people she is in a party with. The main villain FORGOT why he made a fucking death game.

It was shit all the way through.

>>281758370
Yeah, SAO was first written in 2001, and that's what MMOs were like then, with UO and EQ. Zoomies don't know about those days because PK on noobs kills games when you're not the only MMO around.
>>281758395
>This also used to be ranked very high on MAL and for good reason.
Being ranked very high on MAL is usually a sign of normiefag trash.

>>281759547
>Regurgitating points from that video
Another thirdie

>>281759467
He can't answer you because he's just a moderator bootlicker trying to damage control.

>>281759316
Our mods are gay.

>>281756226
Reminder that harem is a sexual polyamorous relationship with one male and a minimum of 3 women.
No sex, no harem.
If you complain about Not Harems then you're really complaining about typical anime rom com slop that we have been getting for 30 years and you're basically outing yourself as a man who hates real or fictional men because a real or fictional women gives other real or fictional men attention.

>>281759678
Now imagine pages upon pages of posts like that but with this face attached. That was 2012 /a/.

>>281759547
confirmed for not watching the anime, not reading the LN, not playing the games, and being illiterate as fuck.
You people will sit and complain about anime not being garbage where people sit around and talking where there is no action and no plot, yet you can't even pay attention when people are doing exactly what you want.

>>281759547
Literally every one of these is addressed in the same episode it is brought up but it is addressed in one or two lines so retarded faggots which need shit beaten into their brains to understand something don't get it

>>281759547
My favorite thing about SAO is how it has some incredibly massive glaring problems but retards regurgitate with talking points older than the average SAO hater that arent even true.

>>281733417 (OP)
It's a popular anime and it's mid, that's enough for people to hate on it to try and look more sophisticated than they are

>>281733417 (OP)
It’s shit and opened the floodgates to the worst slop imaginable, but I still have a soft spot for it.

>>281760470
That worst slop has always existed and there area many threads on /a/ right now about that slop.

>>281733417 (OP)
ENTER

>>281760707
>Proceeds to make 1 hour essay
>SAO is bad because... KIRITO IS FORCED TO GET A GIRLFRIEND AND THAT HURTS MY FEELINGS CAUSE I CANT GET A GIRLFRIEND!!
>Proceeds to watch the seasonal rom com trash

>>281759884
Frodoposting is fun. I miss it

>>281735572
>waaaaaah i am so autistic that seeing one word makes me unable to refute anything
Weird.

>>281760792
Man I need to actually play rance. Whats the remake of 1 called?

Was he right?
>Flawed Protagonist: Kirito is a "Gary Stu" who is both overpowered and devoid of meaningful character development. He faces little to no genuine challenge, and his actions, even when poor, have no lasting negative consequences for him. He is consistently presented as the best at everything without showing the effort to earn it.
>Poorly Developed Female Characters: The show is criticized for its treatment of female characters, who are often introduced with potential only to be relegated to a passive damsel in distress or a one-dimensional love interest for Kirito. Digibro specifically points to how Asuna, initially a strong and capable fighter, loses her agency in the second arc and is literally caged, waiting for Kirito to rescue her.
>Inconsistent World-Building and Pacing: The series is critiqued for its disjointed narrative structure and shallow world-building. The pacing is erratic, with the intense, high-stakes "death game" premise of the first few episodes giving way to low-stakes side stories and slice-of-life episodes that undermine the initial sense of dread. The rules of the virtual reality world are also often inconsistent or poorly explained.
>Wasted Potential: Digibro argues that the series fails to explore the deeper themes its premise suggests. The concept of a VR death game could have delved into more complex psychological, social, and technological questions, but instead, it defaults to a generic fantasy adventure with a poorly executed plot.
>Incest and Sexual Violence: Digibro highlights the show's handling of controversial topics, particularly the incestuous undertones of the relationship between Kirito and his cousin, Suguha, and the attempted sexual assault by the villain, Sugou Nobuyuki. These elements are seen as gratuitous and poorly handled, serving only to heighten Kirito's hero status.

>>281760838
>First point is just blatantly wrong given the source material
Sure if we live in his reality with a different SAO

>>281760838
Someone post the image where anon realized that kirito lost the majority of his fights

>>281760886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKUyh3p-Xys

>>281760806
Emmm...01? Only 02 remake is old style remake (alongside with VI).

>>281760838
I never really got why people have such an issue with the Suguha stuff when the whole point of it was she knew her feelings weren't right to have and trying to get over it
after the fairy dance arc they just act as regular family for the rest of the series
other media like the games and such play into it a bit but thats just non-canon fanservice shit

>>281760900
>fights literally scrubs
>people surprised when a frontliner is stronger
on shit. Thats like comparing a gym rat to a 8 year old starving Indian

>>281760886
Dude lost to heathcliff twice. That's more than enough proof that he was never as powerful as tranny anime youtubers allege.

>>281760900
wasn't the south park wow episode basically this same situation

>>281760900
>Level 1 shitters fighting level 100 and losing
Woooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww really impressive. I've seen that happen alot in WoW.
The funny thing is that is the best game example used in the entire anime.

>Kirito
>hates PVP (bad at PVP)
>hates shooters
What a shitter.

>>281760961
Pretty much. They made an entire raid group just to try to kill one guy and failed because he was the most powerful player while they were just a bunch of scrubs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBmG7eRjZ2g

>>281760971
Remember when Fuka ate too much ice cream and shit herself in-game

>>281760900
if you actually watched the scene kirito himself points out this is bullshit, that game logic is unfair and unbalanced

Kizmel-san is stacked.

>>281762796
You think those people can actually read?

>>281756684
>the writing is ludicrously bad
So is solo leveling

>Solo levelling
Why are rom com fags seething so much?

>>281757352
>>281758178

you forget the most important part. MMOs back then were mostly open pvp. Thats what modern "Gamers" dont understand, or even know.

Its not about autistically showcasing mechanics, like modern Isekai do by constantly mentioning stats and abilities.
Its the social aspect. And this shows how most people who criticize SAO never played MMOs before 2010. Today every "MMO" plays it safe and is a forced online co-op grinding simulator, where autists can watch their character do stunts and combos.

Back then the point of the game was largely to socialize. You basically had to find a clan. From then on it was all about personal feuds, alliances, wars with other clans.
And if you lost your clan and couldnt connect with others it was hard to still play the game. Thats why I even felt for that part when Kirito couldnt / didnt want to join a clan anymore.
That could be pushed to the point where players were killed and spawncamped until they logged out or deleted their account. I achieved this several times. several guys just never logged back, and one deleted his account during battle out of rage/butthurt.

Ironically, this aspect of MMOs is completely lost today. Old MMOs were much closer to a living world, a place where your actions matter and even shape the game world, than any modern game trying to do that. Its the closest you will get to living in a game world where you can die.

>>281765607
Pretty much what you said. Old ass mmo games like WoW up to lich king, OG maple story, the 4th coming, everquest, lineage, runescape,and ragnarok were games where you needed assistance from others and doing things solo was a pain.
Reki had a good idea with a character whose entire thing is alienating himself from himself and others being trapped in a social game, Except for whatever reason he decided to ignore all of the interesting things with that premise and make it about a BORING romance.
If i wanted a boring romance all i need to do is just see what anime is out this season or go into one of the other threads on this board.

>>281733417 (OP)
no

>>281765607
>Back then the point of the game was largely to socialize.
>>281765817
>games where you needed assistance from others and doing things solo was a pain
Right, and it doesn't work today because of Dicksored and Fakebook and other social media. You no longer need the game to socalize, so that's left is to play the game.

>>281760971
Come back when you start slicing bullets off of a MG3 bub. SJ shitters need not apply

>>281759270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUuknk81n2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bLpyGlQGtg

>>281767606
you didnt get it. you outed yourself.
Its not about having a chat to talk to people. Thats what I meant with Gaymers today have to clue. In open pvp games, the players make up the game. Not stupid mechanics and worldbuilding. If you go out of the starting town or whatever it is in that specific game, you are free to be attacked by any other player.
This creates an atmosphere closest to "you can actually die", especially if there are penalties. And people can literally spawn camp you. Thats why there is a NEED to socialize. Not to organize a stupid Raid to co-op play. But to actually play the game at all. To even arrive at the next map.
The game is completely made up of what people and alliances do and what they decide to do on the territory they control. Its real people making decisions everyone has to live with. Not today with NPCs that do timed routines.
So if you dont have a clan you cant do anything if 3 people team up on you, basically forcing you to go somewhere else or even stop playing. If you take that into consideration its believable that Reiki played these games, since he said he played international games where he often couldnt communicate with other players. Thats why Kirito being alone for some time and joining clans is the topic of several episodes in the beginning.

>>281759018
A bunch of normals having an opinion? They must be correct! and not tasteless like always.

>>281733417 (OP)
cool concept, terrible execution. reki kawahara is an awful writer. aincrad has a decent atmosphere and premise, but still has a ton of retarded holes. every other arc sucks absolute shit, with absolute shit characters.

the moment i stopped watching anything sao, and renounced it entirely, was the first episode of alicization. kirito, swordmaster extraordinaire, practices kendo at home, has absolutely no idea how to handle an assailant with a fist weapon while he has a full length umbrella. his opponent charges him with a "one touch" lethal fist weapon, and kirito aims for his fucking leg with an umbrella, tanking the lethal hit with his shoulder. why not swat the guy's hand? why not thrust the guy's face? or thrust his leading shoulder to prevent the weapon's contact? no, "im gonna poke him in the thigh". he doesnt even take the hit with his lead shoulder, he takes it with his trailing shoulder.

how the FUCK do you fuck up an engagement like this?

>>281768784
>Practices kendo
He doesnt. His sister does.
He did when he was younger, but quit.
Also he is really bad at things in the real world.
You never watched or read a thing.
Concession accepted.
Go back to youtube.

>>281768904
he has enough muscle memory to reach for his sword that isnt even there. he has enough experience in game that it translates to a competent handling in the real world.

also season 1, episode 15, 7 minutes in. he competently clashes with his sister, and only loses due to footwork during a clinch and still adjusting to the differences of system assisted sword skills and real life. the alicization situation happens MONTHS later and he should be more adjusted. also episode 25, he intercepts a knife by grabbing the wrist with his bare hands and hits the guy in the throat.

there is no justification for being THAT retarded in that engagement. it would have been better written if he was literally ambushed from behind, or the "oops i bumped into you" like a classic pickpocket, rather than squaring off with a clear advantage and still losing in one move.

>>281768318
>you didnt get it. you outed yourself.
No, we're just talking about two different things.
But you've outed yourself as someone who thinks we can somehow go back to the days of open pvp while ignoring the problem that as long as anyone can get their jollies ganking noobs, nobody will stay around long enough to leave someone for you to play with, then nobody is subbing the game and it dies.
If you're running a private server I guess you can have that as long as you can attract enough other people, but no for-profit company will ever do that because it's a waste of money.
Open pvp is the mmo equivalent of communism in that it hasn't succeeded because true pvp hasn't been tried yet. Or something.

>>281768784
and instead of having the mystery killer episode matter, where they explain the shared inventory of marriage, they just make kirito ignore the system's rules entirely in the fight with heathcliff. instead of an absolute kino moment where asuka dies, kirito goes into a blind rage, heathcliff breaks one of his swords, kirito continues to charge, heathcliff thinks he has the upper hand, kirito surprises him by materializing asuka's sword and defeats him, no we got "im gonna just pick up her sword, get stabbed, magically ignore the system and stab the bad guy somehow anyway (who dies in one hit btw), who up until now was able to block anything but suddenly decides to just let death happen for no reason. "now that i got to see someone magically cheat my game, im content that somebody beat it" what a fucking load of shit.

>>281768904
>He did when he was younger, but quit.
literal children in kendo would never make the mistake that kirito did.

>>281769758
Kirito is a shitter who did nothing in 80% of ordinal scale because he's bad at athletics.

>>281768784
I haven't read the LN in over a decade but does he even realize in that second that he has the giga AIDs needle?

>>281769791
its almost as if 80% of the movie isnt even about him.
and he still beat the other guy at the end.
and none of that refutes the fact that he HAS demonstrated combat skill before.

all of this contradiction is proof of how bad of a writer reki kawahara is.

>>281769912
yes. the assailant announces himself as the final member of laughing coffin, and kirito sees the thing in his hand and recognizes it as the "death gun".

>>281769956
based johnny CHAD

>>281770025
>tfw no Asada gf to go camping with and she just reads a book the whole time
Suifuel

>>281733417 (OP)
Rent-free. Also, all video-game anime is shit.

With the benefit of hindsight, it's really remarkable that so many people paid real money for the god-awful, no-life, no-fun grindfests that were games like EQ or Lineage 2.

As an aside, one of my favorite SAO details is that one of the biggest reasons people eventually went out and started grinding the deathgame is because they got fucking bored. Turns out if you're stuck in a game without add-ons or mods, there's fuck all to do if you don't actually play the game.

>>281758178
Log Horizon actually has a lot of the same things SAO has in terms of it's MMO mechanics and functions being absurdly unrealistic, the main difference is that log horizon is written more technical and actually goes in detail/uses the mechanics as a plot device while SAO handwaves it all assuming the reader/watcher has the basic knowledge already.
SAO's representation of PKers with laughing coffin is very accurate to PK behavior. They never hung around in main town, they had their own places to hang out and hide around in. Ambushing was always the most effective PK method too, jumping someone fighting a mob then finishing the mob off was a common tactic.
While Log Horizon does a much better way of showing how absurdly complex guild management really was back in the day. You really did have to balance alliances between large guilds and any breakdown ended up in a huge shitfest of drama and interguild warring only very social and convincing individuals could manage a mid-size guild and only the most capable at managing people could run a large one without it crashing into the ground.
Also SAO being an older system and not having a class system also worked better from a story telling standpoint. Log Horizons class system is absurdly broken, unbalanced and there's just straight up classes nobody would ever make but somehow "do" because "muh roleplay" yet nobody plays the busted support class the MC does because it's not "good" feels super contradictory considering there's some very large guilds and the games been out a decade at the start of the story. Initially people might not have played a full support, but you'd see plenty of them in big guilds.
Don't get me wrong I liked log horizon way more, but it's representation of an MMO is just as bad as SAO at the end of the day.

also .hack was a game first so it's "mmo game mechanics" were part of the core gameplay loop itself, it didn't have to explain them so it's an exception when it comes to mechanics.

>>281768284
Unironically better than any .hack track. And I've played literally every main game in the series.

>>281769576
For every edgy kid who would get off on murdering new players, you have twice as many groomer faggots hanging around noob areas to kill them and 'help' new players (especially girl ones hoping for some ERP)
the newbie areas were some of the least gank-heavy areas because of that. It's the 3rd or 4th hour where you start getting fucked over when your bodyguard has cum and run.

The writing is pretty fucking awful.

>>281762916
And kirito fucks that!?
DAMN!!

Leafa

>>281770750
Log Horizon also has some kind of actual magic that causes it to avoid the "can't log out trope" because somehow the game was actually an inter-dimensional portal and it becomes isekai. The game screen tropes are still cheesy but at least it's not all gary stu chuuni powerlevel shit.

>>281771155
I agree

>>281733417 (OP)
SAO was literally in school libraries but the faggot author just had to ruin it by inserting his degenerate fetishes into the franchise.

>>281733417 (OP)
Will full dive VR ever be a thing? Seriously I will become the number one goyslop wagie if they could just make this real

>>281769576
>who thinks we can somehow go back to the days of open pvp while ignoring the problem that as long as anyone can get their jollies ganking noobs, nobody will stay around long enough to leave someone for you to play with
Planetside 2 managed to exist for 13 years now despite exactly that. As did other games. Even though its dying now. But it proves that you can keep up a game with very little assets and little updates for a long time. The lifetime of these games is about the same as any other mmo.
Also from my experience, even though I didnt even said we could go back, but I dont believe its the nature of open pvp that makes it unsustainable. There are different kinds of players. Some will leave after being killed as a noob. Some will see the appeal to play in such a game.
Most games I played didnt die as open pvp. They stopped being open pvp while still growing. Then after ruining the game with too much p2w and private instances and cutting the open pvp world down, people left. I did, my entire clan did, and after a few years people are gone. I dont believe the claim that open pvp cant exist and everything has to be coop. Comapnies just become too greedy and want to play it safe, alienating their players.

>>281771250
no. People dont buy it. You see it on 3d screens and vr googles which pop up every other decade. Nobody wants to wear a stupid google headset and most people are fine with just a computer. There is no upgrading that ever.

c'mon, hasn't everyone wished they could do this over the internet?

>>281737996
>your opinion has to correspond to what the majority thought
stfu you fucking commie niggerfaggot

>>281757937
I'm curious if it had an impact on LN MCs all looking the same. But that['s just japanese teens.

>>281759254
>>281759262
The webnovel and 1st LN volume were more or less standalones that ended with Kirito in the hospital promising to find Asuna after Aincrad. Volume 2 was a collection of short stories with new characters added. He really didn't have any idea how big it'd become, thus progressive supposed to show the actual unseen floors.

>>281765607
>Back then the point of the game was largely to socialize. You basically had to find a clan. From then on it was all about personal feuds, alliances, wars with other clans.
>And if you lost your clan and couldnt connect with others it was hard to still play the game. Thats why I even felt for that part when Kirito couldnt / didnt want to join a clan anymore.
>That could be pushed to the point where players were killed and spawncamped until they logged out or deleted their account. I achieved this several times. several guys just never logged back, and one deleted his account during battle out of rage/butthurt.
And then there's the people who got their clans destroyed, became an autistic solo player until he hit character development and learned how to be social and less asshole in an MMO.

>there are people in this thread arguing SAO doesn't have MMO elements/is not really an MMO
I'm glad they got btfo'd at least

Anyway it's a 6/10, i didn't want a mediocre romance and harembait but it's what I got

>>281733417 (OP)
>your girlfriend wants to fuck your sister/cousin
What to do?

Is Sinon meant to have big tits or not

>>281772189
Sauce?

>>281772224
she's around the medium

>>281772235
Sunny Side Up, the best SAO doujin.

And then the artist drew another doujin which was like double-NTR. Shameful.

>>281772235
>he doesn't know

>>281772469
>double-NTR
Oh no, you're telling me Kirito and Asuna cheat on each other, trying to make each other jealous by fucking other people right in front of each other? I know how that route ends.

idk I kinda liked SAO.
I'd have made it more Seinen but I'm edgy like that.

>>281758178
Claiming that nothing in SAO is comparable to anything in any MMO while handwaving .hack as being merely "permissive" is absurd. .hack didn't even have the concept of tanks or drawing aggro in the original games and surrounding material. It didn't even really have the concept of boss raids, just bosses. Something as basic as a guild was considered highly unusual. It's "fields are randomly generated from keywords and warped to from the hub towns" was basically the opposite of the fixed, persistent world that MMORPGs sought to create.
SAO by comparison had all of those from the start.

>>281768406
nigger the point being made WAS about the normalcattle and how they perceived the fucking show
so yes, what the herd thought about the show IS important about the herd's reception of the show
you are a braindead retard who can't even realize the show's actual quality wasn't even being discussed
please never post again

>>281772516
No, Suguha is a slut and Asuna tries to save her but AI Kirito dick is too good. Now Kirito tries to withstand the allure of AI Asuna pussy. The AI is trying to justify its existence through sex.

https://exhentai.org/g/914476/166faf5df6/

>>281733417 (OP)
it sure is a lot better than everything that came after

>>281737503
The last jedi is a perfect "Fuck You" movie. In one single movie it manages to ruin literally everything about Star Wars. This is why libshits who hated Star Wars love the thing - it's an artistic middle finger to anyone who cared about space opera. As a result, both sides are actually 100% correct. If you are a fan, it's objectively the worst film ever, complete dog turd. If you are a hater, it's a Oscar worthy dump on the franchise. This is why it's a perfect litmus test for seeing if a person is a SW fan or not. If they hate it, they like the rest of SW. If they love it, they hate all of SW and the fanbase.

>>281737565
SAO is quasi-trash. Great idea, poor execution, blew it's load early and deleted the stakes that made it so interesting. Coupled to shitty ass game design with essentially what is a AAA failure to launch. Rather than bore you with game design, the simple summary is as a RPG it fails super hard - all attack/tank, no heal or support. You can see series like Log Horizon that properly represent the "stuck in game" idea to contrast it to SAO. The great thing about SAO it it's overall incompetence spawned the Abridged series, which is a masterpiece of comedy, so I can't hate on it too much.

>>281774200
this is fantastically written rage-bait

>>281774383
Meh, he's right about Star Wars, and he's right about the Abridged series. Honestly, I thought it would be cringe (and a lot of it is, to be far). But if you give it a chance, there are actually some 10/10 jokes in there. That said, SAO in and of itself is a good series.

>>281772469
>Double-NTR
Pass cuckshit is revolting.

>>281774200
I actually liked the Last Jedi.
Or rather, I disliked it the least among the sequel trilogy, which was unironically just a repeat of the original trilogy. One should genuinely never allow that "mistery boy" Abrams guy near any established series.

>>281773889
Why the bird?

>>281772486
ok now what is THAT from?

>>281776166
the progressive manga

>>281773889
>he gets a corvid with a crown
holy FUCK he is so damn cool

>>281776203
Nice. I only read the LN might read the manga at some point

How did we have an entire thread but nothing happened

>>281776241
>How did we have an entire thread but nothing happened
what do you mean? Our femanons missed the thread since this is just a bait thread that got repurposed into a real SAO thread

Sneed Art Online

Kawahara has really slowed down his writing speed but honestly, good for him. I hope he's found his Asuna and is living his best vanilla life atop his mountain of cash.

>>281776462
He needs to grow a spine and kill off mito in a pathetic standoff and kick that faggot director in his shins

>>281776486
>long hair liz
nice

>>281776492
Mito is in unital ring so chances of that happening is zilch

>>281776699
thats why I brought it up. Holy FUCK I hate mito and FUCK reki for canonizing her

>>281776211
>>281776246
>>281776300
>>281776331
Very cute pics of my wife Asada Shino

gentlemen and the 2 femanons lurking as always it is an honor

was liz always this popular